Again, Who Should We Trust With The Nation's Pursestrings?

[Guest]

From the New York Times...

WASHINGTON — Members of a House-Senate committee charged with writing a measure to extend a payroll tax reduction and provide added unemployment benefits reached a tentative agreement Tuesday evening, with both Republicans and Democrats claiming political victory in a fight with election-year implications...

Oh yeah...these are fiscally responsible actions. Let's see, we agree to permanently reduce the funding of an already badly underfunded Social Security entitlement program. Then, rather than agree to spend any money on job-creating programs, our feckless Congress agrees that it's a good idea to pay people for not working for a longer period of time.

Which party voted for this stuff? The liberal, do-gooder Democrats? Yep.

What did all those fiscally-responsible Republicans have to say about this stuff? I'll bet they stood up to be counted. We can count on the Tea Party when we need them, can't we? What, the Republicans voted for these things too? With nary a whimper of how to pay for this stuff? Just borrow more from China, I guess.

And there are those who say our problems will be solved if we could only get the Republicans in control of the entire Congress? What the heck, if these things add more to the deficit, no problem, we'll just blame Obama.

I'm left wondering when people will stop listening to the soundbites, look at what's really happening, and come to their senses.

[Guest]

From the New York Times...

WASHINGTON — Members of a House-Senate committee charged with writing a measure to extend a payroll tax reduction and provide added unemployment benefits reached a tentative agreement Tuesday evening, with both Republicans and Democrats claiming political victory in a fight with election-year implications...

Oh yeah...these are fiscally responsible actions. Let's see, we agree to permanently reduce the funding of an already badly underfunded Social Security entitlement program. Then, rather than agree to spend any money on job-creating programs, our feckless Congress agrees that it's a good idea to pay people for not working for a longer period of time.

Which party voted for this stuff? The liberal, do-gooder Democrats? Yep.

What did all those fiscally-responsible Republicans have to say about this stuff? I'll bet they stood up to be counted. We can count on the Tea Party when we need them, can't we? What, the Republicans voted for these things too?

And there are those who say our problems will be solved if we could only get the Republicans in control of the entire Congress? What the heck, if these things add more to the deficit, no problem, we'll just blame Obama.

I'm left wondering when people will stop listening to the soundbites, look at what's really happening, and come to their senses.

The Republican leadership is hardly the Tea Party, so I'm not sure why you're bringing them up. The Tea Party is as against the Republican leadership as they are against the Socialist Democrat Party. The Tea Party will continue to try to work within the Republican Party to effect change.

This is all about election year politics and you know that as well as I. I'm not sure what you think you could have done differently here. You would have loved to have the Republicans hoisted on their own petard in opposing these "Middle Class Tax Cuts", and "Unemployment Relief". Don't tell me you don't know what's really going on here.

[Guest]

The Republicans caved because the Democrats would have had them for lunch. Here's the slogan that would have come out for November:

"The Republicans demanded that your $20/wk Social Security tax cut be "paid for" by cuts. They made no such demands on Mitt Romney for HIS tax cuts and the millionaires and billionaires who benefit from them."

Political suicide.

[Guest]

... I'm not sure what you think you could have done differently here. You would have loved to have the Republicans hoisted on their own petard in opposing these "Middle Class Tax Cuts", and "Unemployment Relief". Don't tell me you don't know what's really going on here.Of course I know what's going on. The problem is that there are no elected representatives who will place their principles and what is needed by the country above their efforts to get re-elected and retain power. They will always opt to pander to voters rather than doing what is right and necessary, regardless of what they might have said to us while campaigning. Always. All of them...from both parties.

I know you believe that simply "voting Republican" will result in change. I don't. I believe that voting in all new representatives will give us a better chance. Actually, an even better chance would be for Congress to enact stringent term limits and campaign finance reform. A balanced budget amendment to the Constitution? Forget it. None of that is ever going to happen until the public sends the message that continuing to place political career goals over principal is unacceptable. Blindly voting for one party won't accomplish that.

[Guest]

I am sort of giving up that we can ever solve our problems.

We live in a world where some of the countries budget is to insure that sex outside marriage, a decision of the individual, is protected with public funds.

Where NOT working is a viable and well chosen option for many individuals and paid with public funds.

Where the risks taken of large corporations are protected by bail outs paid with public funds.

Where drug use is rampant and costing the country so much, not only in money, yet we spend so little time in preventing because it is accepted that it will be done.

Where family values are PREACHED, yet our divorce rate is over 50%. And the cost of divorce to the taxpayers is enormous....knowing nobody will believe that...here is a link to a study done in 2004 showing that cost.
Social Costs of Divorce (http://www.divorcereform.org/soc.html)

I guess my point is that our social deterioration has reached the point where so much of the debate and money spent is to feed what we have become to feel is our RIGHT.....our self absorption as a society is now the accepted fact.

People will say this is PROGRESS....this is MOVING AHEAD. I say we are spoiled as a country.

I am prepared for those who will say that all of this social deterioration is not that costly...only this or that percentage of the budget, but I respectfully disagree.

[Guest]

the system is broken as allowed by both parties. There is no hope regardless of party, that anything will change how business is conducted in Washington.
Spending beyond revenues will continue until such time as the American economy can no longer support itself and the potential financial destruction of America comes to full bloom.

The theme that is just disgusting by both parties during an election campaign is how they all pretend they are running to take care of we the people....take care of America...

pure unadulterated BS, lies and pied piper melodic.

Just remember that as much as we may not like the status of what is going on in America today.....it is in fact the best it will ever be going forward. Prices will continue to rise while the revenues of we the people will not be changing. And unlike the government we cannot keep spending or raise our spending levels. So enjoy what you have now....while you have it.

btk

[Guest]

Blindly voting for one party won't accomplish that.

Right now it's all I have. I'm firmly convinced that President Obama with his socialist beliefs and all his like minded supporters have got to go. To me, that means Democrats. At this point in history it's the simplest strategy.

Purging the Republican Party of machine politicians is something to be done in primaries.

[Guest]

I am sort of giving up that we can ever solve our problems.

We live in a world where some of the countries budget is to insure that sex outside marriage, a decision of the individual, is protected with public funds.

Where NOT working is a viable and well chosen option for many individuals and paid with public funds.

Where the risks taken of large corporations are protected by bail outs paid with public funds.

Where drug use is rampant and costing the country so much, not only in money, yet we spend so little time in preventing because it is accepted that it will be done.

Where family values are PREACHED, yet our divorce rate is over 50%. And the cost of divorce to the taxpayers is enormous....knowing nobody will believe that...here is a link to a study done in 2004 showing that cost.
Social Costs of Divorce (http://www.divorcereform.org/soc.html)

I guess my point is that our social deterioration has reached the point where so much of the debate and money spent is to feed what we have become to feel is our RIGHT.....our self absorption as a society is now the accepted fact.

People will say this is PROGRESS....this is MOVING AHEAD. I say we are spoiled as a country.

I am prepared for those who will say that all of this social deterioration is not that costly...only this or that percentage of the budget, but I respectfully disagree.





We are in the process of solving our problems right now - patience, patience.
Unlike the majority of others here, I am an optimist.

Junior and Dick raped our economy and depleted our resources for 8 years. They managed to take a 14,000 Dow and turn it into an 8300 Dow.

[Guest]

patience will not reverse the course that permissive pacifism, slow but sure eradication of core values, catering to minority groups every whim, non enforcement of the laws of the land, total and complete lack of respect has put us on.

It has nothing to do with R or D so some of you may not be able to deal with the subject.

What we have today is the best we will ever have for the foreseeable future and it won't matter who is in office.

btk

[Guest]

We are in the process of solving our problems right now - patience, patience.
Unlike the majority of others here, I am an optimist.

Junior and Dick raped our economy and depleted our resources for 8 years. They managed to take a 14,000 Dow and turn it into an 8300 Dow.

Thanks, you have given me NO hope for the future.

Had I, or anyone, come on here and referred to the President with some cute name as you did and then further added the VP with a nickname, along with an unsubstantiated charge, you would be livid...I, or whomever had said it because I find it unseamly to refer to public officials in the manner you did,you would start with the racist and personal stuff.

You,and folks like you, can be added to my list as to why we are doomed

[Guest]

I am not giving up on America>

[Guest]

I am not giving up on America>

If I gave the impression that I was giving up...not so...although I can see how you might feel that way, but the more I look at our society, the more I understand how our political system got screwed up....and by the way in additon to those others things I listed that are costing this country in the name of progress add that we refuse to shut the borders which increases all the other items I listed.