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02-16-2012, 09:22 AM

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02-16-2012, 09:55 AM

just another step in the progression of the majority loses another one!!!

Of course it is blatant racism. Why for example on questionaires or surveys, et al do they ask what race and then list some...the one that gets me every time is when one of the choices is African American and another would be Caucasian. Why African American? Why not Caucasian American?

If I elect to fill in the answer I ALWAYS write in Caucasian AMERICAN and the hilite it!!

Guest

02-16-2012, 10:00 AM

Of course it's racist, but nobody's going to call him or the Democrats on it. If you notice the racism they'll call YOU racist. The liberal national media will wring their hands and bemoan your racist diatribe in which you actually noticed the president's racism.

Guest

02-16-2012, 10:22 AM

President Obama Announces the 2012 Launch of African Americans for Obama - YouTube (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DBdjoHA5ocwU%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&h=oAQHFBA__AQEc6L-6N2I2YlJEpIysfKVCtq8TpQ2lRfyPYw)

Is this fair...or racist?

It's things like this that really gets my ire up.

If we decided to have a "Caucasian History Month"...or "Caucasians for Mitt"
...we would be called "racist".

I know that all of you who don't agree with my post will:throwtomatoes:.

Go ahead, I'm ready for it.

Simply to let you know you are not alone.....of course it is racist..pure and simple. When folks vote for someone because of their skin color, it is racist, EXCEPT IT APPEARS, in the case of our President.

You are right...folks will come on here and call us racists for calling to their attention they are supporting these kind of actions.

This does not dismiss everyone voting whomever they want to vote for, but do you think that the 96-97% of blacks that voted for President Obama did so because of his policies ?

Guest

02-16-2012, 03:37 PM

if it was african-americans for Romney would it be racist?

Guest

02-16-2012, 03:43 PM

if it was african-americans for Romney would it be racist?
Count on this never happening!! Plain and simple

Guest

02-16-2012, 03:53 PM

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02-16-2012, 04:13 PM

if it was african-americans for Romney would it be racist?

This never happens. You know why? Because those who would be Republican supporters are just that; Republican supporters. They may refer to themselves in a public dialog as a "black conservative", but they don't need to join a "black group". There are a goodly number of black conservatives involved in the Tea Party movement.

Black liberals organize blacks into racial groups, not conservatives. They promise them goodies aimed at people of their complexion, and tell them there's more where that came from if they would just vote along racial lines for candidates who promote a racial agenda.

This is why the liberals, or Democrats, are the true racist minded political party.

Guest

02-16-2012, 04:33 PM

Have often wondered if the great African singer Roger Whitaker who was born in Kenya and So. African Golfer Gary Player became American citizens would they check off African-American and Caucasian? Does President Obama check off African American, Caucasian and Indonesian though adoption? Look at the confusion his daughters will face in the future unless we finally wise up and eliminate the tags and just show American. Isn't it time?

Guest

02-16-2012, 04:57 PM

if it was african-americans for Romney would it be racist?

You either dont get it...dont want to get it...or just plain dont care to get it !

As someone, on this forum in 2008, who NEVER ONCE mentioned race as regards to the President's qualifications....NEVER ONCE even alluded to his race, but simply was totally opposed to his politics, his background and his qualifications...I was called a number of times a racist, NOT ONLY ON THE FORUM publicly but in PM's....many of them.....I get it.

Then after 3 years of anytime you oppose the administration, especially on social issues, having that card played not just on here but in the press, I KNOW you dont want to get it.

Guest

02-16-2012, 06:02 PM

Can someone actually define "African-American" for me. I've questioned this for a long time and never get a concrete answer. If my parents were from Italy-am I an Italian-American although I was born in the U.S.? If my parents were from Ireland-am I an Irish-American although I was born in the U.S.?-etc, etc. If I were born in the U.S. shouldn't I be American. Surely my parents who were born outside the country should be referred to as ----------/American----- but me???

Actually many people have made that distinction by defining themselves as American-Italian meaning an American with Italian ancestory, etc.

The African-American thing has been out of control for so long that well meaning progressive have not even noticed that their affirmative action program is now redundant..but then they get mesmerized when listening to people like Jesse jackson and Rev Sharpton both of whom do not want to lose their golden goose. But then we have come to expect an "entitlement mentality" from the left. Now there you go as a white conservative I can only express myself with political incorrectness

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02-16-2012, 06:34 PM

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02-16-2012, 07:17 PM

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OH, MISTER........You don't want to go there. It is Your Guy, Obama, who has made this ad that tells Black America, "Just come on over and Vote by Color".....as if they are "too slow minded to THINK FOR THEMSELVES"!!!!!!

He condescends from his "erudite" ivory tower to lord over them and talk down to them......and to us "dumb hillbillies" who cling to our Bibles and guns.

Guest

02-16-2012, 07:22 PM

OH, MISTER........You don't want to go there. It is Your Guy, Obama, who has made this ad that tells Black America, "Just come on over and Vote by Color".....as if they are "too slow minded to THINK FOR THEMSELVES"!!!!!!

He condescends from his "erudite" ivory tower to lord over them and talk down to them......and to us "dumb hillbillies" who cling to our Bibles and guns.

That's a pretty accurate description ......

Certainly can't refudiate that.

Guest

02-16-2012, 09:52 PM

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02-16-2012, 10:40 PM

Please tell me why or why not you feel this campaign is not racist.

OOO! ME ME ME! I want to answer!

Because it is on page one of the leftist, protect Obama handbook.
If you don't know the answer or the other side has a point you must turn the tables on them and accuse them of the same thing only with more force and twist the facts.

It has worked perfect for the Chief Community Organizer.

Pure and simple, it IS racist. Put "white" in front of any organization and it is called racist. Put any other race in front of the same word and they are held up as an example of how it should be done in this big melting pot to even everything out and to pay back to these groups for sins of our fathers with which none of us had anything to do with and none of them had any connection to.

Guest

02-16-2012, 11:16 PM

no one has answered my question yet. And as a point of fact there are these various support groups for Romney...Catholics for Romney,Hispanics for Romney,Jews for Romney and finally.....yes there is African-Americans for Romney. So same question for you,is Romney a racist?

It what you say is correct and there are groups supporting Romney; are you saying that Romney created these groups in the same way as President Obama is creating a "blacks for Obama" group?

Guest

02-16-2012, 11:36 PM

You answered the question, "If it was African-Americans for Romney, would it be racist?" as follows...

This never happens. You know why? Because those who would be Republican supporters are just that; Republican supporters. They may refer to themselves in a public dialog as a "black conservative", but they don't need to join a "black group". There are a goodly number of black conservatives involved in the Tea Party movement.

Black liberals organize blacks into racial groups, not conservatives. They promise them goodies aimed at people of their complexion, and tell them there's more where that came from if they would just vote along racial lines for candidates who promote a racial agenda.

This is why the liberals, or Democrats, are the true racist minded political party.Hmmm, it didn't take too much looking to find the National Black Republican Association. Herman Cain was a member.

Here's a link, Richie. http://www.nbra.info/

But I know there must be some mistake...they must be Republicans but not conservatives, right?

Guest

02-17-2012, 12:04 AM

Hmmm, it didn't take too much looking to find the National Black Republican Association. Herman Cain was a member.

Here's a link, Richie. National Black Republican Association | National Black Republican Association (http://www.nbra.info/)

But I know there must be some mistake...they must be Republicans but not conservatives, right?

These groups must be so low key that I never heard of them. At least unlike the more boisterous liberal groups these Republican groups are not founded with the purpose of gaining advantage by taking others labor in a confiscatory scheme.

It does not surprise me that you took the time to do this.

Guest

02-17-2012, 01:52 AM

...It does not surprise me that you took the time to do this.Just responding to your statement that only liberals/Democrats organize race-based groups, while conservatives never do so. I guess the lesson is that using the the words "always" or "never" often demonstrates that what is alleged is often wrong.

Guest

02-17-2012, 07:38 AM

These groups must be so low key that I never heard of them. At least unlike the more boisterous liberal groups these Republican groups are not founded with the purpose of gaining advantage by taking others labor in a confiscatory scheme.

It does not surprise me that you took the time to do this.

Missing links???? :icon_wink:

Guest

02-17-2012, 08:09 AM

My husband usually adds "as far as I know" to his "pronouncements" to keep himself out of trouble in a discussion. The challenge is that generalizers are not always aware that they are generalizing. It is not wrong to generalize, just a style of communication. We all do it to some degree, just as we all distort or delete in our everyday communication. It's just that we usually do one more than the others and generalizing is pretty easy to spot. So "as far as I know" covers it and was a good example set for me who is prone to generalizing.

Don't mean to be preachy. Just thought some of you might be interested to know a way to communicate with generalizations or generalizers and still keep the dialogue calm. Then again, some seem to like a good "heated" debate!
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02-17-2012, 10:31 AM

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02-17-2012, 11:01 AM

Just responding to your statement that only liberals/Democrats organize race-based groups, while conservatives never do so. I guess the lesson is that using the the words "always" or "never" often demonstrates that what is alleged is often wrong.

Glad you took time out from your busy day to try to prove me wrong. I still don't think the "spirit" of my post was wrong, but technically I guess you're right that there are conservative groups of people who've aligned for networking among peers for a political advantage or business gain.

Still, these conservative groups are more about their success in the arena of business affairs and not the parasite mentality of the majority of liberal gatherings. IMHO.

That's was the point I was trying to advance in my earlier post.

Guest

02-17-2012, 11:04 AM

why do some continue to make these vast generalizations about Democrats that cannot be proven then to make matters worse make more vast generalizations that their side does not do these things. It is just not true. All groups want a piece of the pie that goes to the winner. If the republican wins these groups will come knocking on the door,the same if a Dem wins. To say that one groups motives are honorable and the other groups are devious is pure nonsense.

The big difference is that liberals see the size of the pie as finite. Thus, they feel they must demand that others decrease the size of their hard fought slice in order to leave some to those who don't have the will or the aptitude to fight for a slice.

Conservatives see the pie as ever expanding if you have the will to produce it.

If you don't realize that you just put forth a Marxist principle; you need to read what you just wrote again.

Guest

02-17-2012, 11:58 AM

I'm sure that many voted for Obama because of the color of his skin.

I'm sure the same held true for McCain.

I know why I voted the way I did. I'm disappointed that those conditions don't seem to have changed.

Guest

02-20-2012, 04:35 AM

Let me say what no one is saying in this Thread:

To set the stage, I was raised in a farming community in Iowa.
Everyone I new and I new them all, were prejudice to Blacks.
We all had dozens of N jokes to tell.

Do I think that Obama is prejudice: NO
He is only doing openly what so many of us do silently. Blacks have made great improvements in equality in the last 50 years, but are without a doubt, still second class citizens to the majority. I voted for Obama because I thought he was the right man for the job. I am trying to vote for Romney this year, but keep getting slapped back toward Obama by some ridiculous comments on this forum by hard core conservative.

I tell you now, open up your mind to the truth, or Obama will be in for four more years more because of conservative prejudice than because of his record.

Obama is not stupid, he is not a Muslim, he is not a Kenyan, he is a liberal democrat trying to change this country for the better in his opinion. Now simply repeat this and then add your opinion and I will think about it and make my decision. Start off with a stupid comment about him and you are discounted immediately.

Guest

02-20-2012, 05:41 AM

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02-20-2012, 07:45 AM

And I knew you would be a close second....:ohdear:

So racist is defined as:

a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.

Racism is defined as:

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

Given these definitions unless this group excludes people not of the African American decent don't think it would be racist.

But I wonder why you are not so upset about these groups....

Moms for Mitt and Mormans for Mitt

Using your logic Moms for Mitt would be sexist and Mormans for Mitt would violate your 1st amdement rights.

Guest

02-20-2012, 08:47 AM

So racist is defined as:

a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.

Racism is defined as:

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

Given these definitions unless this group excludes people not of the African American decent don't think it would be racist.

But I wonder why you are not so upset about these groups....

Moms for Mitt and Mormans for Mitt

Using your logic Moms for Mitt would be sexist and Mormans for Mitt would violate your 1st amdement rights.

Cologal:

I think if you had seen the post that I erased (because I got way too personal and divulged my life story...I am so embarassed that I did that, BTW and I apologize to everyone that read it) you would realize where I was coming from on the racial side of things.

You're right as far as Mormans for Mitt and Catholics for Santorum go. And I know that every Catholic voted for JFK way back when...and that's all fine and dandy.

But I'm talking about skin color here...and I'm not the one who made it an issue...Mr. Obama did when he made a special appeal to African Americans for Obama.

I don't think you would ever see a "Caucasian for Romney" special appeal or a "Caucasian for Santorum" special appeal.

They would be branded "racists" of the worst kind...and you know that they would.

So why is it OK for Obama to do it? It only further divides this nation...into an us and them and black and white mentality.

It was bad back in the sixties and seventies and it's just as bad in the
2000's, but no one will admit it.

Part of my story was that I worked as a teller in a bank in downtown
New Brunswick, NJ. We catered to large businesses, attornies, etc.
We also catered to the homeless, the indigent and the addicts. Those who would get their monthly Social Security checks, come and withdraw it on the day it was deposited and then not be able to understand why there was
no money left a couple of weeks later.

I was called "white cracker"..."honky"..."white trash"...etc. when I had to tell them they would have to wait again. Those that came in with unemployment checks called them "funemployment checks". When unemployment was extended back in 2009 they called them their Obama checks. Their man was going to pay for their houses and their rent and all their bills...he was going to take care of them. This is the mentality that I had to deal with and what they truly believed.

As Bucco said in a previous post (and I'm sorry to keep bringing you into this, Bucco):

This does not dismiss everyone voting whomever they want to vote for, but do you think that the 96-97% of blacks that voted for President Obama did so because of his policies ?

I truly believe that if we all look into our hearts, we know that Mr. Obama was elected BECAUSE of the color of his skin and not just because of his policies.

And I truly believe that if this is allowed to continue, that Ebony and Ivory will never live together in perfect harmony.

Appeal to ALL AMERICANS and not just AFRICAN-AMERICANS. I just ask that you don't differentiate between the two.

Guest

02-20-2012, 09:03 AM

Pure and simple, it IS racist. Put "white" in front of any organization and it is called racist. Put any other race in front of the same word and they are held up as an example of how it should be done in this big melting pot

:agree:

Guest

02-20-2012, 09:37 AM

Cologal:

I think if you had seen the post that I erased (because I got way too personal and divulged my life story...I am so embarassed that I did that, BTW and I apologize to everyone that read it) you would realize where I was coming from on the racial side of things.

You're right as far as Mormans for Mitt and Catholics for Santorum go. And I know that every Catholic voted for JFK way back when...and that's all fine and dandy.

But I'm talking about skin color here...and I'm not the one who made it an issue...Mr. Obama did when he made a special appeal to African Americans for Obama.

I don't think you would ever see a "Caucasian for Romney" special appeal or a "Caucasian for Santorum" special appeal.

They would be branded "racists" of the worst kind...and you know that they would.

So why is it OK for Obama to do it? It only further divides this nation...into an us and them and black and white mentality.

It was bad back in the sixties and seventies and it's just as bad in the
2000's, but no one will admit it.

Part of my story was that I worked as a teller in a bank in downtown
New Brunswick, NJ. We catered to large businesses, attornies, etc.
We also catered to the homeless, the indigent and the addicts. Those who would get their monthly Social Security checks, come and withdraw it on the day it was deposited and then not be able to understand why there was
no money left a couple of weeks later.

I was called "white cracker"..."honky"..."white trash"...etc. when I had to tell them they would have to wait again. Those that came in with unemployment checks called them "funemployment checks". When unemployment was extended back in 2009 they called them their Obama checks. Their man was going to pay for their houses and their rent and all their bills...he was going to take care of them. This is the mentality that I had to deal with and what they truly believed.

As Bucco said in a previous post (and I'm sorry to keep bringing you into this, Bucco):

I truly believe that if we all look into our hearts, we know that Mr. Obama was elected BECAUSE of the color of his skin and not just because of his policies.

And I truly believe that if this is allowed to continue, that Ebony and Ivory will never live together in perfect harmony.

Appeal to ALL AMERICANS and not just AFRICAN-AMERICANS. I just ask that you don't differentiate between the two.

No problem CEEJAY...I feel honored that you might quote me...only person who really does that is my wife and she reserves that for quoting me back to me...if you know what I mean.

Listen, I would not be as outspoken on this, except that this administration during the 2008 election and since, will haul out and call others racists when it is handy. That is what annoys me...a lot.

I am sure COLOGAL has not had the pleasure of being on the receiving side, on this forum and other places, of being called a racist simply because they disagree with our President's POLICIES and having never ever even hinted at race. You sort of become a bit sensitive to it after that.....if you watch the CNN's and the MSNBC, they throw it around quite liberally when discussing the President. I am sure that if 96% of all white americans voted for whomever would run against President Obama, there would be calls of racism.

Guest

02-20-2012, 09:43 AM

No problem CEEJAY...I feel honored that you might quote me...only person who really does that is my wife and she reserves that for quoting me back to me...if you know what I mean.

:laugh:

Guest

02-20-2012, 03:58 PM

Cologal:

I think if you had seen the post that I erased (because I got way too personal and divulged my life story...I am so embarassed that I did that, BTW and I apologize to everyone that read it) you would realize where I was coming from on the racial side of things.

You're right as far as Mormans for Mitt and Catholics for Santorum go. And I know that every Catholic voted for JFK way back when...and that's all fine and dandy.

But I'm talking about skin color here...and I'm not the one who made it an issue...Mr. Obama did when he made a special appeal to African Americans for Obama.

I don't think you would ever see a "Caucasian for Romney" special appeal or a "Caucasian for Santorum" special appeal.

They would be branded "racists" of the worst kind...and you know that they would.

So why is it OK for Obama to do it? It only further divides this nation...into an us and them and black and white mentality.

It was bad back in the sixties and seventies and it's just as bad in the
W's, but no one will admit it.

Part of my story was that I worked as a teller in a bank in downtown
New Brunswick, NJ. We catered to large businesses, attorneys, etc.
We also catered to the homeless, the indigent and the addicts. Those who would get their monthly Social Security checks, come and withdraw it on the day it was deposited and then not be able to understand why there was
no money left a couple of weeks later.

I was called "white cracker"..."honky"..."white trash"...etc. when I had to tell them they would have to wait again. Those that came in with unemployment checks called them "fun employment checks". When unemployment was extended back in 2009 they called them their Obama checks. Their man was going to pay for their houses and their rent and all their bills...he was going to take care of them. This is the mentality that I had to deal with and what they truly believed.

As Buck said in a previous post (and I'm sorry to keep bringing you into this, Buck):

I truly believe that if we all look into our hearts, we know that Mr. Obama was elected BECAUSE of the color of his skin and not just because of his policies.

And I truly believe that if this is allowed to continue, that Ebony and Ivory will never live together in perfect harmony.

Appeal to ALL AMERICANS and not just AFRICAN-AMERICANS. I just ask that you don't differentiate between the two.

When I was in college Julian Bond came to my school for a talk and at that time he was the pushing Black Separation movement. (His words not mine)

After his talk I stood up and asked this question.... What is the difference between segregation and separation. To this day his answer confuses me. So he said the difference was that Black Separatists want to be separate. To which I replied but using that logic there is no difference because the whites are choosing to be segregated. I even got interviewed by the local radio station. (This was rural Kansas)

My point is that on a certain level I clearly understand what you are saying. However, no one is upset with any other type of group for whoever.

BTW...I spent much of my youth in Northern New Jersey at Lake Tamarac.

Guest

02-20-2012, 04:42 PM

Bucco....

Not sure what you mean here...

I am sure COLOGAL has not had the pleasure of being on the receiving side, on this forum and other places, of being called a racist simply because they disagree with our President's POLICIES and having never ever even hinted at race.

I did recently post something about sexism in regard to birth control and boner meds.

Guest

02-20-2012, 04:51 PM

After his talk I stood up and asked this question.... What is the difference between segregation and separation. To this day his answer confuses me. So he said the difference was that Black Separatists want to be separate. To which I replied but using that logic there is no difference because the whites are choosing to be segregated. I even got interviewed by the local radio station. (This was rural Kansas)

My point is that on a certain level I clearly understand what you are saying. However, no one is upset with any other type of group for whoever

This is where I get so disappointed when it comes to talking about something with REAL honesty.
I think you really mean what you are saying here and you do understand both sides. But what seems to happen instead of what you stated about is people tend to come back at a poster with "your side did it so it is Okay for my side to do it" kind of answer.
I wish more replies could be more like this one.
I don't doubt that racism still exsist. I am sure it is from all directions not just white on black. However it is not at the levels that people say it is.

It is clearly a call out from Obama to BLACK Americans and only black americans in this case. Why is it not ja call out to ALL AMERICANS if it is for all our good?
I don't care who the candidate is, he or she could NEVER say all white Americans need to back me! NEVER!! Make it any other race and it is Okay.
That is the honest truth the way I see it.

By the way I am not a Caucasian, I am a native american Osage although people think I look hispanic, so I have had some racism thrown my way, and I concider myself an AMERICAN!
I say this so people don't think I am a angry white guy sitting in a trailer in the woods waiting for the end of the world!!

Guest

02-20-2012, 06:04 PM

"A new condition has brought new duties. A character which might pass without censure as a slave cannot so pass as a freeman. We must not beg men to do for us what we ought to do for ourselves. The prostrate form, the uncovered head, the cringing attitude, the bated breath, the suppliant, outstretched hand of beggary does not become an American freeman, and does not become us as a class, and we w...ill not consent to be any longer represented in that position. No people can make desirable progress or have permanent welfare outside of their own independent and earnest efforts…. We utterly repudiate all invidious distinctions, whether in our favor or against us, and ask only for a fair field and no favor." ~ Frederick Douglass, July 4, 1875

"I know of no country where the conditions for affecting great changes in the settled order of things, for the development of right ideas of liberty and humanity, are more favorable than here in these United States." ~ Frederick Douglass, Speech on the Dred Scott decision, May 1957

Today marks the 117th anniversary of this great man's death. So many of his words speak to us today as Americans. He believed passionately in the promise of America, despite how it had treated him, and he believed in the ability of black Americans to stand alongside their fellow Americans as equal heirs to the American Dream. My desire is to champion the confident and hopeful message he left with us. Ron Miller-another African American... http://RonOnTheRight.com/about-ron-miller.html

Guest

02-20-2012, 07:04 PM

This is where I get so disappointed when it comes to talking about something with REAL honesty.
I think you really mean what you are saying here and you do understand both sides. But what seems to happen instead of what you stated about is people tend to come back at a poster with "your side did it so it is Okay for my side to do it" kind of answer.
I wish more replies could be more like this one.
I don't doubt that racism still exsist. I am sure it is from all directions not just white on black. However it is not at the levels that people say it is.

It is clearly a call out from Obama to BLACK Americans and only black americans in this case. Why is it not ja call out to ALL AMERICANS if it is for all our good?
I don't care who the candidate is, he or she could NEVER say all white Americans need to back me! NEVER!! Make it any other race and it is Okay.
That is the honest truth the way I see it.

By the way I am not a Caucasian, I am a native american Osage although people think I look hispanic, so I have had some racism thrown my way, and I concider myself an AMERICAN!
I say this so people don't think I am a angry white guy sitting in a trailer in the woods waiting for the end of the world!!

I appreciate your comments....

Although I was a Hillary girl...I do know my way around the Obama website.

Here is a link, just as an example, you don't have to use it for the group Women for Obama

Women for Obama — Barack Obama (http://www.barackobama.com/women?source=primary-nav)

There are actually 9 groups listed including African American, Gays, Latinos and Young people.

But in this thread only one is being discussed.... someone earlier made a comment that all Catholics voted for Kennedy and I know that wasn't true, just in my family.

The Republican candidates do have groups themselves, MOMs for Mitt for example.

But race is the 3rd rail.....

Guest

02-20-2012, 07:08 PM

I appreciate your comments....

Although I was a Hillary girl...I do know my way around the Obama website.

Here is a link, just as an example, you don't have to use it for the group Women for Obama

Women for Obama — Barack Obama (http://www.barackobama.com/women?source=primary-nav)

There are actually 9 groups listed including African American, Gays, Latinos and Young people.

But in this thread only one is being discussed.... someone earlier made a comment that all Catholics voted for Kennedy and I know that wasn't true, just in my family.

The Republican candidates do have groups themselves, MOMs for Mitt for example.

But race is the 3rd rail.....

I think the most controversial thing about "African Americans for Obama" is that Obama is himself advocating for this group to organize in his behalf.

Guest

02-20-2012, 07:10 PM

I think the most controversial thing about "African Americans for Obama" is that Obama is himself advocating for this group to organize in his behalf.

Show me a link....

Guest

02-20-2012, 07:18 PM

I have never chosen a candidate based on his/her race. I voted for Ken Blackwell in Ohio for Secretary of State. I voted for Alan Keyes in the presidential primaries in 2000 and in 2008. Both men are highly conservative and African American! All this racist garbage is just that...garbage!
I did not vote for Barack Obama because of his pro-abortion voting record. He was very instrumental in stopping the "born alive" law that would have provided for care to be given to an aborted baby that ended up being born alive.

"As originally proposed, the 2003 state bill, SB 1082, sought to define the term "born-alive infant" as any infant, even one born as the result of an unsuccessful abortion, that shows vital signs separate from its mother. The bill would have established that infants thus defined were humans with legal rights. It never made it to the floor; it was voted down by the Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired."
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/

nice guy...eh?

Guest

02-20-2012, 07:26 PM

Show me a link....

Obama Announces 2012 Launch Of "African-Americans For Obama" | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/02/obama_announces_2012_launch_of_african-americans_for_obama.html)

"Obama, on behalf of his reelection campaign, announces their strategy to court African-American voters, a voting bloc that he heavily secured during his first run. In 2008, Obama received 95% of the black vote. Obama's campaign statement is below.

Today, we're announcing the 2012 launch of African Americans for Obama.

There's no better time than African American History Month to consider the tremendous progress we've made through the sacrifice of so many�or a better time to commit to meeting the very real challenges we face right now.

Visit africanamericans.barackobama.com for more information about all the ways you can get involved�from attending HBCU organizing workshops to becoming a Congregation Captain�and say you're ready to keep making history. Thanks, and see you out there."

A video is at the link also.

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02-20-2012, 08:16 PM

Obama Announces 2012 Launch Of "African-Americans For Obama" | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/02/obama_announces_2012_launch_of_african-americans_for_obama.html)

"Obama, on behalf of his reelection campaign, announces their strategy to court African-American voters, a voting bloc that he heavily secured during his first run. In 2008, Obama received 95% of the black vote. Obama's campaign statement is below.

Today, we're announcing the 2012 launch of African Americans for Obama.

There's no better time than African American History Month to consider the tremendous progress we've made through the sacrifice of so many�or a better time to commit to meeting the very real challenges we face right now.

Visit africanamericans.barackobama.com for more information about all the ways you can get involved�from attending HBCU organizing workshops to becoming a Congregation Captain�and say you're ready to keep making history. Thanks, and see you out there."

A video is at the link also.

Yes I found that one myself but there are 8 other groups on that website....

Guest

02-20-2012, 08:53 PM

Show me a link....

Easy.......here it is from the horse's mouth.

President Obama Announces the 2012 Launch of African Americans for Obama - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU&feature=youtu.be)

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02-21-2012, 09:00 AM

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02-21-2012, 09:54 AM

It is only natural to vote for someone you identify with. Remember that Catholics banded together to vote for John Kennedy. It is only normal that African Americans band together to vote for Obama. That is also why Republicans think Rubio would be a good VP candidate for them. They would draw in the Hispanic vote.

Do you think that Americans of low income will vote Republican? Do you think that Blacks will vote Republican? Do you think most Independents will vote Republican? Do you think college educated women will vote Republican? Do you think minority groups will vote Republican? Do you think gay and lesbian voters will vote Republican?

Did John F. Kennedy make a prepared speech in a major event and announce the formation of his new "Catholics for Kennedy" group.

Nice try at deflection. Obama issued the call to arms, and rallied his fellow "African-Americans" to mobilize in support of a him because he is the same race as they are.

Any "white" person did this, you would find it outrageous.

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02-21-2012, 10:58 AM

Did John F. Kennedy make a prepared speech in a major event and announce the formation of his new "Catholics for Kennedy" group.

Nice try at deflection. Obama issued the call to arms, and rallied his fellow "African-Americans" to mobilize in support of a him because he is the same race as they are.

Any "white" person did this, you would find it outrageous.

I would find it outrageous. White rich men have had an ace in the hole for every hand dealt in this country since its conception.

Guest

02-21-2012, 11:01 AM

I would find it outrageous. White rich men have had an ace in the hole for every hand dealt in this country since its conception.

This is 2012. Let's try and stick with the present. We have a black president, imagine that? That's who we're talking about.

Guest

02-21-2012, 11:21 AM

When will we finally refer to ourselves simply as AMERICANS? Isn't that what the whole 'melting pot' concept is all about?

Guest

02-21-2012, 11:22 AM

This is 2012. Let's try and stick with the present. We have a black president, imagine that? That's who we're talking about.

Richie...

As this article attests JFK's religion was an issue....However, did political campaigns use the Internet to solicit funds? NAH no internet...did Kennedy clearly try an have his faith be a none issue. YEP right up until he had to make the speech referenced in this link

JFK, Catholicism, and Politics (http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/959-jack-kenny/4566-jfk-and-the-catholic-in-the-public-arena)

That was 1960 and this is 2012. Obama's website has 9 groups to join one of which is African American.

This is a tempest in a teapot.....

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02-21-2012, 12:13 PM

This is a tempest in a teapot.....

I think this misses the point and attempts to dismiss the point and that is that as an event, stand alone the African American group supporting Obama and being asked to do so should not supprise or shock anyone.

However the point, as I see it, is that have any Rep candidate ask for WHITE support and see how big that tea pot gets! The tempest would be more like a tempest in an ocean!

It has nothing to do with GROUPS backing a candidate. Is about a certain RACE or COLOR backing a candidate.

To act as if it is not, is not being honest.

Guest

02-21-2012, 01:37 PM

I think this misses the point and attempts to dismiss the point and that is that as an event, stand alone the African American group supporting Obama and being asked to do so should not supprise or shock anyone.

However the point, as I see it, is that have any Rep candidate ask for WHITE support and see how big that tea pot gets! The tempest would be more like a tempest in an ocean!

It has nothing to do with GROUPS backing a candidate. Is about a certain RACE or COLOR backing a candidate.

To act as if it is not, is not being honest.

Thank you...my point exactly and that is why I started this thread.

Why is Mr. Obama allowed to bring RACE into it...whereas a WHITE candidate would be branded a racist of the worst kind if he were to do the same.

And you all know that that's what would happen.

Guest

02-21-2012, 02:30 PM

I just read 621 posts on this thread and have decided that since I am of Italian ancestory and baptised a catholic that I must vote for a American of Italian ancestory and baptised catholic. So Gulianni, Santorum Christie, Cuomo any one of you guys have my vote. And if you include a woman vice president in the mix then you have my wife's vote too. Of course its proposterous.

Or you can take another approach and determine if the incumbent has lived up to his promises, has satisified you that his performance is good and that the future looks brighter with him on your side. Another option is to consider another candidate and determine if you agree that his policies better secure your future and the future of this country.

I am a bottom line guy....I just can't help myself...I need to know that the guy I vote for can get to the (our) store. The guy in office doesn't even know about (our) store and could care less.

I opine you decide.

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02-21-2012, 03:14 PM

Thank you...my point exactly and that is why I started this thread.

Why is Mr. Obama allowed to bring RACE into it...whereas a WHITE candidate would be branded a racist of the worst kind if he were to do the same.

And you all know that that's what would happen.

...with all the baggage and history and painful memories and terrible attitudes, etc. etc. - you are what you are. No need to make excuses. End of story. You are NOT alone if that gives you consolation ... President Obama is Black. I'm sure you've noticed. :22yikes: ... live with it.

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02-21-2012, 03:27 PM

...with all the baggage and history and painful memories and terrible attitudes, etc. etc. - you are what you are. No need to make excuses. End of story. You are NOT alone if that gives you consolation ... President Obama is Black. I'm sure you've noticed. :22yikes: ... live with it.

Did you just call CeeJay a racist for this story on Obama? Did you really just do that?

Guest

02-21-2012, 03:28 PM

according to the 2010 census blacks represent 13.6% of the total population (42 million).

Here is the rest of the story:

African American Demographics, Population, Incomes, Veterans, Education, Voting — Infoplease.com (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html)

pay particular attention in the voting segment. Do all the states listed ring a bell?

Is anybody surprised that the race card is a critical element in Obama's electability? Or surprised they will play the card as often and as long and as loud as possible?

There ought to be a law. You are an American or you are not. Just that simple. Be ever mindful and respectful of one's roots but let's cut all the BS and divisive tactics to continue to segregate us. That is exactly what is in play here....segregation for the benefit of politicians.

Obama is the ultimate divider. It is all a politician can understand to get votes.

We the people, citizens of the greatest country on the planet are Americans and that should say it all....drop the rest of the BS!

btk