Whatever Happened To Newt?

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Did I miss something that Newtie said or did?

All the current polls show him headed in the direction of Palin, Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Perry and Huntsman before him.

What happened?

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Dare I say people know him for what he really is.......<sorry>...I'm just one that wouldn't trust Newt as far as I could throw him.

Suzanne

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Who???

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The more you hear from and about, newt, the more you loathe him.

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Sheldon Adelson has decided to make Newt "Flavor of the Month" for March.

Another 10 mill should do the trick.

Isn't this just precious.

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Maybe somebody in the party with some common sense finally got thru to him to stop mouthing off in such a way that gives the Democrats just the ammunition they salivate for, to use against whichever candidate gets the Republican nomination.

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Santorum happened to him. Specifically, the carousel that has been the Republican Flavor of The Month rotated him OUT of position and Santorum INTO that position.

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Santorum happened to him. Specifically, the carousel that has been the Republican Flavor of The Month rotated him OUT of position and Santorum INTO that position.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread with all it's pointlessness, but I just want to commend you for your simple and accurate answer without any snarky commentary. It's very "fair and balanced".:coolsmiley:

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Well all I can say is that if you can't say something nice about someone then don't say anything at all (Cite---My mother)

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Did I miss something that Newtie said or did?

All the current polls show him headed in the direction of Palin, Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Perry and Huntsman before him.

What happened?

Might it be that Newt's appearance before the cheering throngs of the faithful in the Barnes and Noble parking lot right here in TV might go down in the annuls of history as Newt's Last Stand.

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Santorum happened to him. Specifically, the carousel that has been the Republican Flavor of The Month rotated him OUT of position and Santorum INTO that position.

With a few more of those aspirin comments by a supporter of his, we will be asking what happened to Santorum. How he can make such a stink about birth control when most catholic women use it is ingenuine at best.

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With a few more of those aspirin comments by a supporter of his, we will be asking what happened to Santorum. How he can make such a stink about birth control when most catholic women use it is ingenuine at best.

Are you kidding me Ladydoc??? You're going to blast and destroy Santorum because of one silly joke a supporter said????

Meanwhile you have President Obama going to Rev. Wrights church for over 20 years listening to the most inflammatory rhetoric and you defend him for that and think Obama is just all hunky dory????

You liberals are incredible.

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Well all I can say is that if you can't say something nice about someone then don't say anything at all (Cite---My mother)

Very well said......your mother obviously was a very wise woman. If only more of us would have had her as a role model maybe we'd be a more civil nation.

Suzanne

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With a few more of those aspirin comments by a supporter of his, we will be asking what happened to Santorum. How he can make such a stink about birth control when most catholic women use it is ingenuine at best.

in response, let me reiterate that the debate is NOT about birth control but about religious freedom, which is being totally usurped by our dictator in washington. to try to say that insurance companies are going to provide anything for FREE is ridiculous and insults our intelligence...i don't think any religious group should be receiving federal funds, and then the government would have no say at all in how they conduct their operations. if we paid fewer taxes, we could support our religion of choice more generously and they would not need federal funds to do their good works!

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Santorum happened to him. Specifically, the carousel that has been the Republican Flavor of The Month rotated him OUT of position and Santorum INTO that position.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread with all it's pointlessness, but I just want to commend you for your simple and accurate answer without any snarky commentary. It's very "fair and balanced".:coolsmiley:

Diplong usually posts with simple and wise answers with no rancor. I always enjoy reading his comments.

And here is my biased and snarky comment: Newt got exactly what he deserved, oblivion. However he is a street fighter and doesn't give up easily.

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In all honesty, what I've seen as a constant form the GOP Primaries is a constant search for the Not-Romney. Whether it was 'drafting' Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann at the Iowa Cacuses, Herman Cain's resurgence, Newt coming from out of nowhere..

Now it's Santorum. But what do we hear? I don't know about anyone else, but so many seem to want Chris Christie.

It's like they're searching for their next Reagan and they're not going to find him. Not like what happened in 1980. I mean, Reagan lost to Ford in '76 and was ready for 'the next campaign'. Who was in that position when this campaign started? Who lost to McCain? Hint: It wasn't Romney. *Mike Huckabee* finished second to McCain , according to the stats I got from RealClearPolitics. What have we heard from him? Not a peep.

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With the country going broke and Newt wanting to build a Moon colony, really, you needed to ask what happened to Newt. Should have been really simple to see what happened, he's crazy and out of touch with the vast majority of Americans who want to see less government spending, less handouts, smaller government and a return to capitalism, where hard work and effort pay off and those that don't work, don't eat. Simple enough for me to understand.

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in response, let me reiterate that the debate is NOT about birth control but about religious freedom, which is being totally usurped by our dictator in washington. to try to say that insurance companies are going to provide anything for FREE is ridiculous and insults our intelligence...i don't think any religious group should be receiving federal funds, and then the government would have no say at all in how they conduct their operations. if we paid fewer taxes, we could support our religion of choice more generously and they would not need federal funds to do their good works!

That actually makes sense. Take away federal funding for all religious groups and also take away their tax exempt status.

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:agree:Diplong usually posts with simple and wise answers with no rancor. I always enjoy reading his comments.

And here is my biased and snarky comment: Newt got exactly what he deserved, oblivion. However he is a street fighter and doesn't give up easily.

Oblivion is better then he deserves.....He may not give up easily; his ego is huge.

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I still would like to see/hear where the qualifiers of "most catholic women use them" or especially the one that states "over 95% of catholic women use them".....comes from.

Convenient generalizations presented as fact to make a point...usually political as in this thread!

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I still would like to see/hear where the qualifiers of "most catholic women use them" or especially the one that states "over 95% of catholic women use them".....comes from.

Convenient generalizations presented as fact to make a point...usually political as in this thread!

btk

I have also read the 95% figure. That sounds very high...However, I went to a Catholic University and I can tell you that well over 50% of the women I knew there were on birth control. Granted this was a long time ago, but if this trended like you would expect, the number would likely go up, not down. If Catholics were not using birth control, their population would be growing at a higher rate. I think I recently read that Muslims have overtaken Catholics as having the greatest number of followers.

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I have also read the 95% figure. That sounds very high...However, I went to a Catholic University and I can tell you that well over 50% of the women I knew there were on birth control. Granted this was a long time ago, but if this trended like you would expect, the number would likely go up, not down. If Catholics were not using birth control, their population would be growing at a higher rate. I think I recently read that Muslims have overtaken Catholics as having the greatest number of followers.

Truth or not; there's no merit or justification in attempting to compel the Catholic Church, against it's teaching, to provide birth control pills, and to provide them free of charge, to boot. There is nothing stopping Catholic women from purchasing these pills of their own free will.

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Gingrich joins Palin as most disliked politician in America.

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Gingrich joins Palin as most disliked politician in America.

I think thats only in your house that might be true, and not in real world America.

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It really does not matter how many Catholic women AND MEN use The Pill, vasectomy or tubal ligation, disobeying the Church's teachings/law.

It's about the federal government forcing religious employers to pay for these things, whether it's paying more into the insurance risk pool to cover more claims, or whether the federal government "orders" insurance companies and self-insurers to "give" it to people who don't have the coverage.

When are people going to wake up to the fact that every single time the government says "We will GIVE you this or that (which costs money)".....

....it also goes without saying, "We will TAKE the money needed to pay for this from somebody else.....never mind who THAT is......we'll have unelected, appointed bureaucrats at HHS figure that out later......

.....and since we won't know who really decided who it is that gets the money TAKEN from them, there's nobody who can be identified as accountable for the thievery."

Here's a great exposé-commentary on that, from Greta VanSusteren:

What did you expect? They didn’t even bother to read it ! And then they have passed the buck to unelected people to essentially write it! (and, am I wrong?) « Gretawire (http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/02/08/what-did-you-expect-they-didnt-even-bother-to-read-it-and-am-i-wrong/)

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Now Santorum says to Bob Schiffer that pre-natal care can lead to abortions.

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Just got results of a search for fastest growing religion in the 21st century...so far I have found it to be...Islam, Buddhist, Scientology, Catholicism, etc,etc,etc...depending on which website you choose to read.
Islam is growing at a faster rate-2.9% compared with Chrisitanity-2.3%. However, Islam is smaller to start with and Christianity is adding 11 Billion followers more per year.
Christianity is even making gains in Islamic countries, and promises to be the largest religion in the 21st century!

/http://religionannarbor.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/what-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

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How many times would you guess you're going to hear the phrase "state- ordered trans-vaginal probe" before the election, mostly coming from democrats?

Even Ari Fleicher tweeted "this election should be about ideology, not theology".

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Gingrich joins Palin as most disliked politician in America.





Yes, absolutely true.

Anyone willing to do a google search can confirm that.

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Yes, absolutely true.

Anyone willing to do a google search can confirm that.

This is pretty funny. Google Palin hate? How is that measured? Do I need to poll people in Starbucks to get that result?

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Now Foster Friess is quoted as explaining how wealthy people should self-tax. Similar to Mitt Romney's self-deportation for illegal immigrants. What's next - self-incarceration for criminals? When it comes to contraception, Foster Friess is a real pill.

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Just got results of a search for fastest growing religion in the 21st century...so far I have found it to be...Islam, Buddhist, Scientology, Catholicism, etc,etc,etc...depending on which website you choose to read.
Islam is growing at a faster rate-2.9% compared with Chrisitanity-2.3%. However, Islam is smaller to start with and Christianity is adding 11 Billion followers more per year.
Christianity is even making gains in Islamic countries, and promises to be the largest religion in the 21st century!

/http://religionannarbor.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/what-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/

There is no way christianity is adding 11 BILLION followers a year. 11 BILLION???

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Truth or not; there's no merit or justification in attempting to compel the Catholic Church, against it's teaching, to provide birth control pills, and to provide them free of charge, to boot. There is nothing stopping Catholic women from purchasing these pills of their own free will.Did I miss something? I thought all this hullabaloo was in response to a new HHS regulation that required the health insurance policies provided to employees of private hospitals, including those owned and operated by various Catholic dioceses, to include coverage for birth control prescriptions.

The church is not being compelled to provide birth control pills, nor are the hospitals they own. And the female employees of those hospitals aren't being forced to take the pills. If they feel strongly enough about their religious beliefs, it will simply be a feature of their coverage that they can choose not to use.

Wow! The far right has really twisted this story to make it sound like the President himself is forcing Catholic women to take birth control pills that violate their religious beliefs. Seems like a far stretch from what's actually happening to me.

I wonder what percentage of Catholic women actually follow that precept of the Church these days anyway?

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Who cares who takes birth control or doesn't take birth control, but don't you just know the White House loves this controversy. Why would any woman vote for a republican while they're busy discussing who should take birth control and state-ordered trans-vaginal probe?

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I found the poll that has Gingrich as most disliked. It's here:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/02/14/rel2c.pdf

This is no fluff piece. This is 25 pages of statistics on the poll that was commissioned. You can really dig into the numbers.

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Did I miss something? I thought all this hullabaloo was in response to a new HHS regulation that required the health insurance policies provided to employees of private hospitals, including those owned and operated by various Catholic dioceses, to include coverage for birth control prescriptions.

The church is not being compelled to provide birth control pills, nor are the hospitals they own. And the female employees of those hospitals aren't being forced to take the pills. If they feel strongly enough about their religious beliefs, it will simply be a feature of their coverage that they can choose not to use.

Wow! The far right has really twisted this story to make it sound like the President himself is forcing Catholic women to take birth control pills that violate their religious beliefs. Seems like a far stretch from what's actually happening to me.

I wonder what percentage of Catholic women actually follow that precept of the Church these days anyway?

What are u smokin' Kahuna. You've completely missed the point. It's kind of crazy, actually.

President Obama wants the Catholic Church to be required to pay for birth control. It's against Catholic teaching. It's a Constitutional issue and nothing more. President Obama want to breach the First Amendment and it's provision of freedom of religion.

Nobody is outlawing birth control pills and no one cares one whit whether a woman takes them or not. That is between she and her doctor and her own conscience, if it's a question of faith.

If the State can compel a Church to act against it's own teachings and beliefs, can they also compel a Roman Catholic doctor to perform an abortion, or for a Roman Catholic Hospital to allow the procedure on it's premises?

It's the Constitutional issue of Freedom of Religion.

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Now Foster Friess is quoted as explaining how wealthy people should self-tax. Similar to Mitt Romney's self-deportation for illegal immigrants. What's next - self-incarceration for criminals? When it comes to contraception, Foster Friess is a real pill.

Do you purposely misunderstand things?

Mr. Friess is correct here. If rich liberals really believe they are taxed too little there is a provision in the nation's tax laws where they can send more money than they are required. They can send as much as they like.

This is what he's talking about.

It's therapy for guilty rich people. Don't hold your breath waiting for any rich liberals to voluntarily "self tax" themselves in a "fair" way.

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"The church is not being compelled to provide birth control pills, nor are the hospitals they own. And the female employees of those hospitals aren't being forced to take the pills. If they feel strongly enough about their religious beliefs, it will simply be a feature of their coverage that they can choose not to use." this is a quote from kahuna but sorry i don't know how to highlight.

this paragraph is not correct...the catholic church and many other churches self-insure and provide their own insurance to employees (some even based on those employees living by less risky christian mores.) this mandate would force christian churches to provide insurance for not only contraceptives, but sterilization and the morning after pill, which actually causes an abortion.
the government has no authority to force any religious group to go against their teachings... THAT is the point.

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Do you purposely misunderstand things?

Mr. Friess is correct here. If rich liberals really believe they are taxed too little there is a provision in the nation's tax laws where they can send more money than they are required. They can send as much as they like.

This is what he's talking about.

It's therapy for guilty rich people. Don't hold your breath waiting for any rich liberals to voluntarily "self tax" themselves in a "fair" way.

Did I also purposely misunderstand Mitt Romney saying illegals should self-deport?

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Did I also purposely misunderstand Mitt Romney saying illegals should self-deport?

I wish illegals would self-deport. It would save everyone a whole lot of trouble.

You had to divert the subject because you're embarrassed that I pointed out how you misunderstood what Mr. Friess was talking about. (oops) Very predictable behavior, but not gracious.

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What are u smokin' Kahuna. You've completely missed the point. It's kind of crazy, actually.

President Obama wants the Catholic Church to be required to pay for birth control. It's against Catholic teaching. It's a Constitutional issue and nothing more. President Obama want to breach the First Amendment and it's provision of freedom of religion.

Nobody is outlawing birth control pills and no one cares one whit whether a woman takes them or not. That is between she and her doctor and her own conscience, if it's a question of faith.

If the State can compel a Church to act against it's own teachings and beliefs, can they also compel a Roman Catholic doctor to perform an abortion, or for a Roman Catholic Hospital to allow the procedure on it's premises?

It's the Constitutional issue of Freedom of Religion.

Lets be fair now. Do you realize that you have told no less than 6 posters that they are misunderstanding the point of this issue. Could it be that YOU have totally missed the point. Some people can be so POSITIVE they are right, they go blind to the truth. Let me add one more to the side of fairness and say the church is very wrong on this issue and should not be allowed to stand in the way of womens rights.

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Lets be fair now. Do you realize that you have told no less than 6 posters that they are misunderstanding the point of this issue. Could it be that YOU have totally missed the point. Some people can be so POSITIVE they are right, they go blind to the truth. Let me add one more to the side of fairness and say the church is very wrong on this issue and should not be allowed to stand in the way of womens rights.

NO, I have not missed the point; in fact, you did, and I am 100% right here.

This is a Constitutional issue. It's a First Amendment issue pertaining to Freedom of Religion.

The Roman Catholic church has a long held belief against the use of hormonal contraceptives. This form of birth control was banned by the Church since this drug's inception. The Church only allows it's married parishioners to use the "rhythm method" of birth control. (I say married only because the Church also teaches against pre-marital sex....duh)

The Church cannot prevent any woman, Catholic or otherwise, from purchasing these drugs and using them against it's teachings. They have no right to do that.

BUT, also the Church cannot, by law, be compelled to provide these pills to women. It's against the Church's religious beliefs to do so. It's really that simple.

Tell me what I don't understand and what point I'm missing where it concerns this First Amendment protection.

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NO, I have not missed the point; in fact, you did, and I am 100% right here.

This is a Constitutional issue. It's a First Amendment issue pertaining to Freedom of Religion.

The Roman Catholic church has a long held belief against the use of hormonal contraceptives. This form of birth control was banned by the Church since this drug's inception. The Church only allows it's married parishioners to use the "rhythm method" of birth control. (I say married only because the Church also teaches against pre-marital sex....duh)

The Church cannot prevent any woman, Catholic or otherwise, from purchasing these drugs and using them against it's teachings. They have no right to do that.

BUT, also the Church cannot, by law, be compelled to provide these pills to women. It's against the Church's religious beliefs to do so. It's really that simple.

Tell me what I don't understand and what point I'm missing where it concerns this First Amendment protection.

Well, with my background in law, I am 100% sure you are wrong. So there we go.

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Well, with my background in law, I am 100% sure you are wrong. So there we go.

Explain, please

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Explain, please

Again, something so simple and you get confused.

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Again, something so simple and you get confused.

Please validate your opinion or stop attacking and being a wiseacre to other posters !

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Please validate your opinion or stop attacking and being a wiseacre to other posters !

What opinion are you talking about. I haven't said anything to or about you Buck. Please explain.

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What opinion are you talking about. I haven't said anything to or about you Buck. Please explain.


Your response to RICHIE was extremely vague, perhaps on purpose. It does not seem to explain your point by simply saying...

"Well, with my background in law, I am 100% sure you are wrong. So there we go."

Sort of a demeaning brushoff....maybe you expound why you dismiss his post out of hand like you did.

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Again, something so simple and you get confused.

Please validate your opinion or stop attacking and being a wiseacre to other posters !

What opinion are you talking about. I haven't said anything to or about you Buck. Please explain.

Your response to RICHIE was extremely vague, perhaps on purpose. It does not seem to explain your point by simply saying...

"Well, with my background in law, I am 100% sure you are wrong. So there we go."

Sort of a demeaning brushoff....maybe you expound why you dismiss his post out of hand like you did.

Bucco, Villager II doesn't have a response to my explanation, so he's crying about it. He doesn't have one because I am correct in my explanation. There's no two ways about it.

The First Amendment is inviolable, and no machinations from the liberal establishment, or President Obama, or our liberal posters can change that.

Thanks for the support, it's appreciated.

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Richie,

When you and Mrs. Lion got married, I am sure she realized she was marrying "Mr. Right" - but did she realize your first name was "Always"?

Is the group meeting at the watering hole at the usual time?

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Richie,

When you and Mrs. Lion got married, I am sure she realized she was marrying "Mr. Right" - but did she realize your first name was "Always"?

When I'm right, I'm right; and I'm right on this issue.

Instead of just mouthing off, show me where I got anything wrong on this First Amendment issue.

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Richie,

When you and Mrs. Lion got married, I am sure she realized she was marrying "Mr. Right" - but did she realize your first name was "Always"?

Is the group meeting at the watering hole at the usual time?

You know the one thing that I used to, and I really mean USED TO was the EXCHANGE OF IDEAS and thoughts. Folks dont always agree but made every attempt to validate their arguments, attach links from their readings, etc., and basically make the case for their feelings on subejcts.

I, personally, used to enjoy coming here to read and learn....many, many times I THOUGHT I knew how I felt about an issue, a candidate, etc. only to read some well thought out response and supplied links to find that I was in error. That change of heart many times was from postings from posters who are polar opposite of my way of thinking in general, and we also would have folks post to the forum their real life knowledge without showing an "ax to grind"

We have become here recently a forum on one liners and little smart aleck remarks, instead of proffering a real case for feelings. Folks who run for office are open to any and all criticisms, but NOT the personal comments calling them names that are offensive even in the playground.

I wish we could return to the actual sharing of ideas instead of the personal, little one sentence remark aimed at ridiculing anyone who may have a different view than the poster.

WHY this is now the case, i dont know. I do know that we have folks with duplicate screen names who come on here for one reason...just to incite...we have others who have been warned and actually thrown off who come back with another screen name to carry on the assault.
remarks that sometimes make the screen from other folks complaining about this area just fall on deaf ears, but they are correct. Why visit here to simply be confronted with the immature one liners that serve no purpose except I suppose to make the poster feel like the big guy on the playground.

I am not claiming to be an angel, but I do believe that my errors of judgement in posting have not taken the hard turn to be so personal and vicious as many lately.

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Bucco,

I am sure RichieLion knows the jest I meant in the writing of the little post you took offense to. I have mentioned the same thing face-to-face with him at the watering hole.

He is a big boy and can take care of himself. Trust me, I would not p-ss him off either in writing or face-to-face because Richie is a good guy and he works out on a regular basis with free weights!

I am sorry that I offended you and that you have taken a disliking to me for my viewpoints and posts. Feel free to block my posts or just do not read them. I have no dislike for you and am sorry you feel that way toward me.

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Hmmm, a little passive aggressive...?!

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Bucco,

I am sure RichieLion knows the jest I meant in the writing of the little post you took offense to. I have mentioned the same thing face-to-face with him at the watering hole.

He is a big boy and can take care of himself. Trust me, I would not p-ss him off either in writing or face-to-face because Richie is a good guy and he works out on a regular basis with free weights!

I am sorry that I offended you and that you have taken a disliking to me for my viewpoints and posts. Feel free to block my posts or just do not read them. I have no dislike for you and am sorry you feel that way toward me.

Hmmm, a little passive aggressive...?!

Buggy is correct when he points to our friendship outside this forum. He and I have the same debates (arguments?) in person. Buggy and I agree on almost nothing politically and revel in the discussion of all of it. But, life here in TV is good, and Buggy and I are enjoying all of it, with our wonderful wives and our great friends.

This forum is just that, a forum. We're not changing the world here, just having some fun with the news, and hoping against hope to maybe enlighten or even change a mind. I haven't succeeded in changing Buggy's mind about anything, but I haven't given up hope.

So, I thank Bucco for his support. The liberals are hard to keep at bay. Sometimes I'd like to toss them in the bay. But then Buggy and I toast our good fortune and our good health and our hopes for tomorrow. (My hopes are better than Buggy's, but don't tell him I said so)

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...I wish we could return to the actual sharing of ideas instead of the personal, little one sentence remark aimed at ridiculing anyone who may have a different view than the poster....:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

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Buggy is correct when he points to our friendship outside this forum. He and I have the same debates (arguments?) in person. Buggy and I agree on almost nothing politically and revel in the discussion of all of it. But, life here in TV is good, and Buggy and I are enjoying all of it, with our wonderful wives and our great friends.

This forum is just that, a forum. We're not changing the world here, just having some fun with the news, and hoping against hope to maybe enlighten or even change a mind. I haven't succeeded in changing Buggy's mind about anything, but I haven't given up hope.

So, I thank Bucco for his support. The liberals are hard to keep at bay. Sometimes I'd like to toss them in the bay. But then Buggy and I toast our good fortune and our good health and our hopes for tomorrow. (My hopes are better than Buggy's, but don't tell him I said so)

Buggy is very fortunate to have friend with a heart of gold, like your's RichieLion! :beer3:

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I agree that I am fortunate to have friends like RichieLion. I do not really understand the passive aggressive comment, though.

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Bucco,

I am sure RichieLion knows the jest I meant in the writing of the little post you took offense to. I have mentioned the same thing face-to-face with him at the watering hole.

He is a big boy and can take care of himself. Trust me, I would not p-ss him off either in writing or face-to-face because Richie is a good guy and he works out on a regular basis with free weights!

I am sorry that I offended you and that you have taken a disliking to me for my viewpoints and posts. Feel free to block my posts or just do not read them. I have no dislike for you and am sorry you feel that way toward me.


I am probably way out of line here,but....

I am sure that you and RICHIE are fast friends and that is great....but this is a PUBLIC forum. I may be living in the past or living within forums I have and am part of. Most exchange ideas and are not used to simply make little remarks to humor their friends.

I suppose the reason you come here will dictate how you feel,and obviously I am in the minority. I simply enjoy reading THOUGHTS, IDEAS....and actually going to links that are detailed on ideas. NOT simply engaging in conversation that maybe should be in your watering hole. I think I disagree with VK on many things but back in 2008 during the campaign, I learned a lot not only from his posts but from his links..he has a financial background that I am weak with.

None of this is personal....just my idea of what this forum was and again, in my opinion, should be.

I think it best if I say..hope you guys enjoy the barb exchange...enjoy !

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I agree that I am fortunate to have friends like RichieLion. I do not really understand the passive aggressive comment, though.

Ask Mr. A. Right!

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Buggy is very fortunate to have friend with a heart of gold, like your's RichieLion! :beer3:

Wow, thank you so much Katz. Right back at ya!!

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Bucco,

I am sure RichieLion knows the jest I meant in the writing of the little post you took offense to. I have mentioned the same thing face-to-face with him at the watering hole.

He is a big boy and can take care of himself. Trust me, I would not p-ss him off either in writing or face-to-face because Richie is a good guy and he works out on a regular basis with free weights!

I am sorry that I offended you and that you have taken a disliking to me for my viewpoints and posts. Feel free to block my posts or just do not read them. I have no dislike for you and am sorry you feel that way toward me.

Well said Buggyone and I agree with you about Richie. I wish I would have said what you said the way you said it. WOW, that was a weird sentence. Anyway, Richie and I both got reprimanded yesterday for saying things the wrong way. I will copy your post down and use it next time I get the hair up on the back of my neck if that is OK with you.

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Richie, you say it's a "Freedom of Religion" argument. I *think* I understand where you're coming from in that respect.

I think the basic disconnect comes from the definition of that.

Religion, to me, doesn't require operating a hospital or a school. To me, religion is what goes on in church and in someone's heart. Not to say we don't benefit from (locally speaking) St. Joseph's Hospital, Catholic Medical Center or Bishop Guertin High School.

I think the basic problem is the idea that, if you're drawing a paycheck from anone but the church, you have certain rights under the law. But if that paycheck comes from a diocese, suddenly you don't have those rights - even if you don't belong to that religion? There were laws in Ye Olde Days that prohibited members of certain religions from certain jobs depending on the official religion of the day (I.e. No Catholic Lawyers when the Protestants ruled in England). We've gone away from that and more towards the idea that religion is and should be a PRIVATE matter.

The idea that the Church can hide behind their robes to deny people coverage wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for some of the OTHER things they hide behind those robes for. Maybe some OTHER religion could take the heat on this one if that were the case.

Still, some places here in NH won't get his by the mandate because they self-insure and that's one loophole that I suspect will get used more and more.

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It's good to see an attempt at civility among those with philosophical disagreements.

.... and, now, back to the topic of What happened to Newt...