Police pulling golf carts over today

[golfermike22]

I was driving down St. Charles, south of buttonwood, and saw two police officers pulling golf carts over? The carts didn't seem to be speeding but anyone know why they were stopped? This was around 3pm today. Is this a normal thing in the villages? It's the first time seeing this.

I guess I'm just paranoid.

[Bogie Shooter]

I was driving down St. Charles, south of buttonwood, and saw two police officers pulling golf carts over? The carts didn't seem to be speeding but anyone know why they were stopped? This was around 3pm today. Is this a normal thing in the villages? It's the first time seeing this.

I guess I'm just paranoid.

Good! If they are speeding......pull them over and hand them a ticket.
Too bad it is not normal.

[FMF Doc]

I was driving down St. Charles, south of buttonwood, and saw two police officers pulling golf carts over? The carts didn't seem to be speeding but anyone know why they were stopped? This was around 3pm today. Is this a normal thing in the villages? It's the first time seeing this.

I guess I'm just paranoid.

I did see a Deputy with his car pulled in by what I think it is a pump house by the pond on St. Charles. It looked like he was taking pictures and I thought to myself he was using laser to clock speeds.

[chuckster]

I agree, too many high speed carts driven recklessly by retirees. My question is what's your hurry? Are you late for an appointment with the undertaker? :popcorn:

[EdV]

I don’t know for sure but since St. Charles Blvd. has a golf cart diamond lane, they could be pulling carts over for going well over the 20mph limit. If that’s the case, those folks will be in for an expensive citation of > $300.

I pay well over $400 for my street legal cart (with appoved safety equipment) to be able to run at up to 25mph, so when I’m passed by regular carts that pay $75 per year for insurance, it annoys me.

And I know that the police are not after people in carts accidently going a little over 20mph.

[Bogie Shooter]

I don’t know for sure but since St. Charles Blvd. has a golf cart diamond lane, they could be pulling carts over for going well over the 20mph limit. If that’s the case, those folks will be in for an expensive citation of > $300.

I pay well over $400 for my street legal cart (with appoved safety equipment) to be able to run at up to 25mph, so when I’m passed by regular carts that pay $75 per year for insurance, it annoys me.

And I know that the police are not after people in carts accidently going a little over 20mph.

Do you run that street legal on the cart paths?

[EdV]

Bogie, you've asked me that question in the past and I've answered it.

Why do you keep asking it again??

[Bogie Shooter]

Bogie, you've asked me that question in the past and I've answered it.

Why do you keep asking it again??

Maybe I did, sorry. Do you?

[JoeC1947]

I think they were being pulled over for throwing cigarette butts on the ground!

[golfermike22]

I think they were being pulled over for throwing cigarette butts on the ground!

Thanks for the reply. I'm glad I quit smoking many years ago.

[paulandjean]

So this is what our tax money is being spent on.Laser to check golf cart speeds.Wonder what other police departments think of this?....

[jmd4667]

I think the 5 mph rule would apply if ticketed just as with an auto ticket. Hmmm...might want to invest in a radar detector for your golf cart to avoid golf cart speed traps :) .

[anlashokna]

So this is what our tax money is being spent on.Laser to check golf cart speeds.Wonder what other police departments think of this?....

they think...Revenue...:police: when they snag the speeders.

So this is probably a stupid question but knowing my father is going to want to buy a golf car down the line and knowing he never has owned one...

I see folks talking about street legal and regular cart...they can all use the cart paths throughout throughout the villages correct?

[Bogie Shooter]

So this is what our tax money is being spent on.Laser to check golf cart speeds.Wonder what other police departments think of this?....
What do you think the other depts. think?
They also use them on Morse Blvd just south of Palmer golf course, for cars.

[skyguy79]

What do you think the other depts. think?
They also use them on Morse Blvd just south of Palmer golf course, for cars.Didn't you mean Buena Vista and not Morse?

[skip0358]

Don't know why but I'm glad they were. I afree what's the Damn rush. Just remember it's not a speeding ticket if your over 20 mph it's an unliscensed unregistered motor vehicle. Wish they'd start checking some of the trucks for speed also.:crap2::bowdown:

[brostholder]

Good! If they are speeding......pull them over and hand them a ticket.
Too bad it is not normal.
I agree!!! :bowdown:

[brostholder]

Do you run that street legal on the cart paths?
People with street legal carts are allowed to be on cart paths and on most streets (I think if speed limit is 35 or less). I don't understand what the issue is.:gc:

[Bill32]

So this is what our tax money is being spent on.Laser to check golf cart speeds.Wonder what other police departments think of this?....

Money maker for the Dept.

[Skybo]

So this is what our tax money is being spent on.Laser to check golf cart speeds.Wonder what other police departments think of this?....

St. Charles is a public road, and if they are using radar on St. Charles, I’m sure they are targeting (and ticketing) both cars and golf carts. Which is a good thing (for those of us who have to travel St. Charles).

[Eve2278]

I'm glad someone is watching these reckless drivers. I know that some individuals have been fooling around with their carts and have rigged them to go faster and cops have caught several on Belvedere. By law there is a maximum speed for regular and LSV's.

I have a LSV and it suppose to go about 20. That's fast enough and the only reason why we got the LSV was to get from one end of TV to the other on the 35mph roads when playing golf and we do not use that speed on the cart paths... I'm just saying...:ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

Didn't you mean Buena Vista and not Morse?

Glad somebody is awake. thank you

[Pturner]

If they were pulled over for throwing out a cigarette butt, as an earlier post posited, I would be glad of that too.

[dillywho]

they think...Revenue...:police: when they snag the speeders.

So this is probably a stupid question but knowing my father is going to want to buy a golf car down the line and knowing he never has owned one...

I see folks talking about street legal and regular cart...they can all use the cart paths throughout throughout the villages correct?

The laws apply to everyone but some have the idea that's just for everyone but them. As for generating revenue, who cares? Better have those not adhering to the laws adding to the cofers rather than raising everyone's taxes. Law enforcement departments are not created to raise revenue. They are to protect the public and catching speeders regardless of their mode of travel is a vital part of that protection.

Simple rule...obey the laws and be happy when it's someone else getting a ticket for not.

[John_W]

Since I live right off St. Charles at Tamarind Grove Blvd I've seen the police once before parked about 100 yards south of that intersection on the grass next to Southern Star GC. We had two accidents right after we moved in last summer at the intersection, in one case the golf cart driver was killed by a lawn mower crew that blew through the stop sign. The other time I saw two cars that had collided at the corner and were pretty smashed up.

It's a very busy intersection since we have 80 villas at Southern Star and 80 homes on Odessa Circle and can only exit via the intersection and on the other side of St. Charles there are just as many homes and they all use that exit, they could go out through Buttonwood but it's would be a little longer. I see backups there everyday on both sides of the street, I wish they would put in a light since it's too late for a traffic circle, I had though the police were there to just survey the area for these reasons, I didn't see them stopping anyone.

[NotGolfer]

Why do folks get their undies in a bundle about the police ticketing carts? If they have broken the law...they need to pay the piper. I thought laws were made for a reason...so we all can have harmony and not chaos! I agree with the person who said that they were probably focusing on ALL traffic on those roads!

[Penguin]

I think they were being pulled over for throwing cigarette butts on the ground!

Good one!!!:bowdown:

[buggyone]

If the golf carts are tuned to go 20 mph, you have NOTHING to worry about. That is the law. Obey it.

[Barefoot]

I've seen motorcycle cops stopping carts on multi-modal trails. I think they're looking for drivers under the age of 14, as well as for speeders.

[RichieLion]

I've seen motorcycle cops stopping carts on multi-modal trails. I think they're looking for drivers under the age of 14, as well as for speeders.

According to the P.O.A. the police can only ticket carts on the multimodal trails that share a public street, unless it's for violation of open container laws where they can ticket you anywhere.

If you're on the dedicated multimodal trails like on Buena Vista and Morse, the police have no jurisdiction.

[handyman]

Why don,t they pull over the contractor trucks that are blowing stop signs and driving twice the speed limit, I see alot more of them then speeding carts and by the way maybe while they are sighting the driver they could check for green cards of the six to ten passengers that are packed illeagally on the back of the truck,or are they afraid of stepping on Big toes

[gmcneill]

So this is what our tax money is being spent on.Laser to check golf cart speeds.Wonder what other police departments think of this?....

Tax dollars spent on deputies and equipment to check golf cart speeds is a bad thing?

Speeders put my wife's life/health safety at risk.
Speeders put my life/health safety at risk.
Speeders put my property at risk.

Speeders are law breakers. They do not have the right to put others' life/health safety and property at risk. Period.

Deputies who write tickets for speeding are protecting life and property; they are not thinking "revenue stream".

But hey! If generating revenue is the real reason why deputies are ticketing speeders, then let's band together to retaliate. Let's do something that'll really hit them hard. Let's obey the speed limit! That'll teach those big bullies for enforcing the law! No money for you!

[Golfingnut]

Tax dollars spent on deputies and equipment to check golf cart speeds is a bad thing?

Speeders put my wife's life/health safety at risk.
Speeders put my life/health safety at risk.
Speeders put my property at risk.

Speeders are law breakers. They do not have the right to put others' life/health safety and property at risk. Period.

Deputies who write tickets for speeding are protecting life and property; they are not thinking "revenue stream".

But hey! If generating revenue is the real reason why deputies are ticketing speeders, then let's band together to retaliate. Let's do something that'll really hit them hard. Let's obey the speed limit! That'll teach those big bullies for enforcing the law! No money for you!
I would hate to get a ticket on a golf cart, but when your wrong, your wrong. Some laws are silly, but if its a law and you break it, don't cry, take ownership and responsibility for your actions and say thank you to the officer that is helping you stary out of bigger trouble.

[Golfingnut]

According to the P.O.A. the police can only ticket carts on the multimodal trails that share a public street, unless it's for violation of open container laws where they can ticket you anywhere.

If you're on the dedicated multimodal trails like on Buena Vista and Morse, the police have no jurisdiction.

You say " unless it's for violation of open container laws where they can ticket you anywhere", then "If you're on the dedicated multimodal trails like on Buena Vista and Morse, the police have no jurisdiction". I am no expert, but that cann't be true. Please clarify your guess.

[hedoman]

People with street legal carts are allowed to be on cart paths and on most streets (I think if speed limit is 35 or less). I don't understand what the issue is.:gc:

What is the speed limit on multi modals? If a SL is on the path can they pass us at 25? THAT is the issue..... TOO many people trying to pass when the paths are crowded with carts, bikes and walkers

[paulandjean]

Yes,radar to pull over golf carts for speeding.Money is the reason. Do you really ever see county police outside of the villages. Turn from 466 to 301 and the police are gone,its like they never leave the villages.We left at 2am to go back up north and the police cars on 466 where every where.They parked on the medium behind bushes and pulled over lots of cars.They know they have a cash cow.

[schotzyb]

Yes,radar to pull over golf carts for speeding.Money is the reason. Do you really ever see county police outside of the villages. Turn from 466 to 301 and the police are gone,its like they never leave the villages.We left at 2am to go back up north and the police cars on 466 where every where.They parked on the medium behind bushes and pulled over lots of cars.They know they have a cash cow.

And what is wrong with that? If you are breaking the law then you should be held accountable.

[JoeC1947]

Why don,t they pull over the contractor trucks that are blowing stop signs and driving twice the speed limit, I see alot more of them then speeding carts and by the way maybe while they are sighting the driver they could check for green cards of the six to ten passengers that are packed illeagally on the back of the truck,or are they afraid of stepping on Big toes

Twice the speed limit? Check for green cards? Wow.......Seems like maybe you had a run in with the local police for you to feel this way.

I lock my cruise control on to the the legal speed limit and everyone passes me but I DON'T CARE! It's kind of fun catching up to them at the next circle or traffic light!

Obey the law and there's no problem, right?

[JoeC1947]

Yes,radar to pull over golf carts for speeding.Money is the reason. Do you really ever see county police outside of the villages. Turn from 466 to 301 and the police are gone,its like they never leave the villages.We left at 2am to go back up north and the police cars on 466 where every where.They parked on the medium behind bushes and pulled over lots of cars.They know they have a cash cow.

Hey, I'll take easy money too. If you obey the law, they won't have a cash cow.

[KathieI]

"Yes,radar to pull over golf carts for speeding.Money is the reason. Do you really ever see county police outside of the villages. Turn from 466 to 301 and the police are gone,its like they never leave the villages.We left at 2am to go back up north and the police cars on 466 where every where.They parked on the medium behind bushes and pulled over lots of cars.They know they have a cash cow."

And what is wrong with that? If you are breaking the law then you should be held accountable.

I agree with Schotzyb, and I know for a fact that the police in Wildwood or Lady Lake will pull you over outside the villages, LOL... However, I was in the wrong, I was treated very cordially and didn't receive a ticket.. But if you spent time outside of TV, you would see a huge presence of police on all sides of TV.

[JoeC1947]

You say " unless it's for violation of open container laws where they can ticket you anywhere", then "If you're on the dedicated multimodal trails like on Buena Vista and Morse, the police have no jurisdiction". I am no expert, but that cann't be true. Please clarify your guess.

Golfingnut, I think you are correct. The police have jurisdiction everywhere. They are the police!

[paulandjean]

Do not think you will see any county police in wildwood or lady lake. county on 27/441 cash cow there.For all of you who may have missed the point. Radar ,lasar pullimg over golf carts. Cash cow. Driving 20 in a golf cart no problem. Pull over cars not carts.

[paulandjean]

PS I feel safe driving 22 mph in my cart.

[Golfingnut]

Do not think you will see any county police in wildwood or lady lake. county on 27/441 cash cow there.For all of you who may have missed the point. Radar ,lasar pullimg over golf carts. Cash cow. Driving 20 in a golf cart no problem. Pull over cars not carts.

I don't think they are pulling over carts going 20 or even 22 MPH. There are carts out on these paths that are going at speed more than 25 MPH. With bicycles and joggers, that is quite fast.

[foxmeadow]

I was driving down St. Charles, south of buttonwood, and saw two police officers pulling golf carts over? The carts didn't seem to be speeding but anyone know why they were stopped? This was around 3pm today. Is this a normal thing in the villages? It's the first time seeing this.

I guess I'm just paranoid.

Why is it that every inquiry relative to golf carts being stopped, or in accidents, immediately is assumed that they must have been speeding?? The original poster stated that they DID NOT APPEAR TO BE SPEEDING. The fact is the majority of carts on the paths do not speed. On occasion I may have been passed by someone, but I do not automatically assume they are going over the limit. I have found that some cart drivers do a hell of a lot of other unsafe things, as evidenced by the cart driver in yesterdays Sun, who was hit head-on by a car, being ticketed for failure to yield the right-of-way. Come on...get a life!!

[Posh 08]

Do not think you will see any county police in wildwood or lady lake. county on 27/441 cash cow there.For all of you who may have missed the point. Radar ,lasar pullimg over golf carts. Cash cow. Driving 20 in a golf cart no problem. Pull over cars not carts.

I'm thinking the LEOs are reacting to the cart accidents. :police:

[JoeC1947]

Why is it that every inquiry relative to golf carts being stopped, or in accidents, immediately is assumed that they must have been speeding?? The original poster stated that they DID NOT APPEAR TO BE SPEEDING. The fact is the majority of carts on the paths do not speed. On occasion I may have been passed by someone, but I do not automatically assume they are going over the limit. I have found that some cart drivers do a hell of a lot of other unsafe things, as evidenced by the cart driver in yesterdays Sun, who was hit head-on by a car, being ticketed for failure to yield the right-of-way. Come on...get a life!!

Point taken but no need for the "get a life" comment.

[skip0358]

According to the P.O.A. the police can only ticket carts on the multimodal trails that share a public street, unless it's for violation of open container laws where they can ticket you anywhere.

If you're on the dedicated multimodal trails like on Buena Vista and Morse, the police have no jurisdiction.

It also says if your driving in a reckless manor they can ticket you. Or they can shoot on the path and stop you when you leave the path. Also if they have no jurisdiction why do they respond when there's been an accident? Yea I know that's there job. Why are people in such a hurry is more the question!

[jgbama]

As a gonnabee, I'm on TOTV almost daily to learn as much as I can to help our move run as smooth as possible. There are so many threads with great topics, but many end up like this one. . .five pages of posts and still no answer to Golfermike's original question.

I'm especially interested in safety while in a cart. Looks like I'll be adding a rollbar, seatbelts and helmets for DW and I! :loco:

[daca55]

I agree, too many high speed carts driven recklessly by retirees. My question is what's your hurry? Are you late for an appointment with the undertaker? :popcorn:

:agree:

[RichieLion]

You say " unless it's for violation of open container laws where they can ticket you anywhere", then "If you're on the dedicated multimodal trails like on Buena Vista and Morse, the police have no jurisdiction". I am no expert, but that cann't be true. Please clarify your guess.

It also says if your driving in a reckless manor they can ticket you. Or they can shoot on the path and stop you when you leave the path. Also if they have no jurisdiction why do they respond when there's been an accident? Yea I know that's there job. Why are people in such a hurry is more the question!

Clarify my "guess"? A little confrontational, aren't you, Golfingnut? This isn't the political forum, you know.

I was really speaking as to the subject of speeding, but the Sheriff's office may be able to stop someone for "reckless behavior", as Skip says, although law enforcement can question you for this behavior anywhere. Otherwise the trails are not considered streets under legal definition and thus the Sheriff's Office has no official jurisdiction over their use.

Scroll down to "III Enforcement"
http://dev.districtgov.org/PDFView/PDFMeeting.aspx?id=20100820071010

Report on first page.......Read item's number "2" and "7".
http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin201201.pdf

[skip0358]

Clarify my "guess"? A little confrontational, aren't you, Golfingnut? This isn't the political forum, you know.

I was really speaking as to the subject of speeding, but the Sheriff's office may be able to stop someone for "reckless behavior", as Skip says, although law enforcement can question you for this behavior anywhere. Otherwise the trails are not considered streets under legal definition and thus the Sheriff's Office has no official jurisdiction over their use.

Scroll down to "III Enforcement"
http://dev.districtgov.org/PDFView/PDFMeeting.aspx?id=20100820071010

Report on first page.......Read item's number "2" and "7".
http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin201201.pdf



You are correct. I could just see someone getting pulled over on a trail and them saying" I'm on a trail you can't touch me " lol

[Bogie Shooter]

Why don,t they pull over the contractor trucks that are blowing stop signs and driving twice the speed limit, I see alot more of them then speeding carts and by the way maybe while they are sighting the driver they could check for green cards of the six to ten passengers that are packed illeagally on the back of the truck,or are they afraid of stepping on Big toes

This ain't Georgia!

[red tail]

As a gonnabee, I'm on TOTV almost daily to learn as much as I can to help our move run as smooth as possible. There are so many threads with great topics, but many end up like this one. . .five pages of posts and still no answer to Golfermike's original question.

I'm especially interested in safety while in a cart. Looks like I'll be adding a rollbar, seatbelts and helmets for DW and I! :loco:

the answer would be a lsv which has all the safety equipment!

[EdV]

.....the trails are not considered streets under legal definition and thus the Sheriff's Office has no official jurisdiction over their use.

There is a Florida statute that allows a community to grant traffic enforcement jurisdiction over their private roads to the local sheriff’s office. In TV that would have to be granted by the two special CDDs that own/control the multi-modal trails. To date they have not done so.

[kirk1]

The Multi Modal Paths do not meet the requirement for being classified as a "road" therefore traffic laws do not apply. This according to an attorney for Sumter County. Therefore there is no enforcement to grant.

[Golfingnut]

Clarify my "guess"? A little confrontational, aren't you, Golfingnut? This isn't the political forum, you know.

I was really speaking as to the subject of speeding, but the Sheriff's office may be able to stop someone for "reckless behavior", as Skip says, although law enforcement can question you for this behavior anywhere. Otherwise the trails are not considered streets under legal definition and thus the Sheriff's Office has no official jurisdiction over their use.

Scroll down to "III Enforcement"
http://dev.districtgov.org/PDFView/PDFMeeting.aspx?id=20100820071010

Report on first page.......Read item's number "2" and "7".
http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin201201.pdf

I am so sorry Mr Richie lion. I did not mean that the way you took it. I was just saying that you said yes and no for one situation and was giving you the next move to correct your error. Pleas don't feel I was saying it in a derogatory way. I would really like to know if it is a ticketing offense or not. Could you clarify please.

[Golfingnut]

I am more confused now, Is richlion right or wrong? Can you get a ticket on the multi purpose trails from the country sheriffs or not? Richlion says yes and no, some say no and some say yes. I am sure richie right in one of his guesses, just don't know which one. Can someone clear us this question.

[Shimpy]

I agree, too many high speed carts driven recklessly by retirees. My question is what's your hurry? Are you late for an appointment with the undertaker? :popcorn:

Just because one retires doesn't mean you have to get out the walker and shawl. Most of us are active and need to get from one place to another without crawling along. There are many reasons to be in a hurry that has nothing to do with being a retiree, such as needing to find a bathroom. When someone passes you they may have a good reason.

[RichieLion]

I am so sorry Mr Richie lion. I did not mean that the way you took it. I was just saying that you said yes and no for one situation and was giving you the next move to correct your error. Pleas don't feel I was saying it in a derogatory way. I would really like to know if it is a ticketing offense or not. Could you clarify please.

Let's straighten this out. I was correct in my first post, but I should have be more clear. I shall attempt to now for those who haven't read the District and P.O.A. links I provided in my second post.

1) Law enforcement can only ticket you for speeding in a golf cart when the trail is part of a street.
2) Law enforcement has no jurisdiction to ticket you on the dedicated trails for speeding, period.
3) Law enforcement can stop you anywhere it wants for violation of the open container laws, or for reckless behavior, no matter what kind of conveyance you're operating. (I have no official definition of "reckless")

[RichieLion]

I am more confused now, Is richlion right or wrong? Can you get a ticket on the multi purpose trails from the country sheriffs or not? Richlion says yes and no, some say no and some say yes. I am sure richie right in one of his guesses, just don't know which one. Can someone clear us this question.

I have made no guesses but have stated information from the official District sites with certainty.

[downeaster]

Yes,radar to pull over golf carts for speeding.Money is the reason. Do you really ever see county police outside of the villages. Turn from 466 to 301 and the police are gone,its like they never leave the villages.We left at 2am to go back up north and the police cars on 466 where every where.They parked on the medium behind bushes and pulled over lots of cars.They know they have a cash cow.

I use county roads outside The Villages frequently and I see as many county police out there as in The Villages.

Do you honestly believe the police are ticketing people simply to make money for the county? Do you think this a viable method of filling the county coffers? Do you not believe public safety may be their motive? Lastly, do you think we would all be better off if the police stopped enforcing traffic laws?

I can't help but be a little curious about your driving record as well as your driving habits. Please note, that is not a question.

[EdV]

The Multi Modal Paths do not meet the requirement for being classified as a "road" therefore traffic laws do not apply. This according to an attorney for Sumter County. Therefore there is no enforcement to grant.

I think you misunderstood him.

Florida Statute 16.003 (53) defines a STREET OR HIGHWAY as:
53(a) The entire width between the boundary lines of every way or place of whatever nature when any part thereof is open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular traffic;

Based on this definition, the MM cart paths in TV would not normally qualify as a public street because although they are intended for vehicular traffic, they are maintained by the residents of TV through their amenity fees and are not intended for use by the general public.

However 53(b) provides an exception:
53(b) The entire width between the boundary lines of any privately owned way or place used for vehicular travel by the owner and those having express or implied permission from the owner, but not by other persons, or any limited access road owned or controlled by a special district, whenever, by written agreement entered into under s. 316.006(2)(b) or (3)(b), a county or municipality exercises traffic control jurisdiction over said way or place;

So any private area that is used for vehicular traffic like TVs MM paths can be turned over to the county or municipality for traffic control juristriction if the owner(s) want to.

Oh and by the way, all of the shopping parking lots in and around TV meet the definition of 53(a) so no Orlando rolls through all those stops signs there.

[duffysmom]

Yes,radar to pull over golf carts for speeding.Money is the reason. Do you really ever see county police outside of the villages. Turn from 466 to 301 and the police are gone,its like they never leave the villages.We left at 2am to go back up north and the police cars on 466 where every where.They parked on the medium behind bushes and pulled over lots of cars.They know they have a cash cow.

I'm always suspicious of people who are anti police. When I'm driving and get a speeding ticket and I'm exceeding the posted speed limit why would I cry abuse and blame the officer. I take full responsiblility for my actions without whining that I'm being abused. As far as the police hiding behind bushes in the early morning, I thank God that they are there and hope that they lock up the idiots driving impaired or speeding and putting my family at risk. If they weren't breaking the law they wouldn't be pulled over. :police:

[Gearhead]

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[downeaster]

I'm always suspicious of people who are anti police. When I'm driving and get a speeding ticket and I'm exceeding the posted speed limit why would I cry abuse and blame the officer. I take full responsiblility for my actions without whining that I'm being abused. As far as the police hiding behind bushes in the early morning, I thank God that they are there and hope that they lock up the idiots driving impaired or speeding and putting my family at risk. If they weren't breaking the law they wouldn't be pulled over. :police:

Very well said.

BTW, I think bars close at 2:00 AM (early morning) and turn all of those drinkers out and onto the roads. What better time for law enforcement to be on the lookout for offenders?

[handyman]

Twice the speed limit? Check for green cards? Wow.......Seems like maybe you had a run in with the local police for you to feel this way.

I lock my cruise control on to the the legal speed limit and everyone passes me but I DON'T CARE! It's kind of fun catching up to them at the next circle or traffic light!

Obey the law and there's no problem, right?

If you don't see the contractor trucks speeding and driving recklessly,then either you don't live along St.Charles as I do ,and yes I do mean 40 in a 20 zone,and no I have not had any problems with local law enforcement,they follow orders

[buggyone]

It just is not that hard to understand about multi-modal trails. You cannot have an open alcohol container in your cart or the police will ticket you.

[paulandjean]

I must be anti-police for my comments about golf carts not cars and the use of radar.Just think time better spent on cars.The most used word in the villages must be "Lawbreaker". Doing a couple mile over in a golf cart to me is no big deal. I never said county police do not patrol outside of villages ,just they prefer in the villages more, the easy patroling.Yes I have a great driving record. Yes I worked with and around police thru my job.

[foxmeadow]

If you don't see the contractor trucks speeding and driving recklessly,then either you don't live along St.Charles as I do ,and yes I do mean 40 in a 20 zone,and no I have not had any problems with local law enforcement,they follow orders

Just curious. Where is the 20mph zone on St Charles?

[skip0358]

Under the new Sumter Cnty law unless otherwise posted the speed limit in TV is 20MPH.

[PaPaLarry]

I don’t know for sure but since St. Charles Blvd. has a golf cart diamond lane, they could be pulling carts over for going well over the 20mph limit. If that’s the case, those folks will be in for an expensive citation of > $300.

I pay well over $400 for my street legal cart (with appoved safety equipment) to be able to run at up to 25mph, so when I’m passed by regular carts that pay $75 per year for insurance, it annoys me.

And I know that the police are not after people in carts accidently going a little over 20mph.
I'm sure you are annoyed Ed by the carts passing you in cart path, but did you ever think about people who are annoyed by Street Legal Carts on road? I myself, (too each its own) rather not see any Street Legal Carts on road. Why would I want to have to challenge a car, or get hit by one, when the car is so much bigger? I just feel that golf cart paths are made for carts, and roads are made for cars!!!! But its a free country, and your entitled to your Street Legal cart. I just feel it doesn't make sense to ride in road with the speed of cars. Have a nice day!!

[PaPaLarry]

I'm always suspicious of people who are anti police. When I'm driving and get a speeding ticket and I'm exceeding the posted speed limit why would I cry abuse and blame the officer. I take full responsiblility for my actions without whining that I'm being abused. As far as the police hiding behind bushes in the early morning, I thank God that they are there and hope that they lock up the idiots driving impaired or speeding and putting my family at risk. If they weren't breaking the law they wouldn't be pulled over. :police:
I agree whole heartely!!!

[PaPaLarry]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s320x320/421295_3350152478201_1400521842_33321460_192704150 7_n.jpg
LOL Thats funny!!!!!

[rhredd1654]

I'm sure you are annoyed Ed by the carts passing you in cart path, but did you ever think about people who are annoyed by Street Legal Carts on road? I myself, (too each its own) rather not see any Street Legal Carts on road. Why would I want to have to challenge a car, or get hit by one, when the car is so much bigger? I just feel that golf cart paths are made for carts, and roads are made for cars!!!! But its a free country, and your entitled to your Street Legal cart. I just feel it doesn't make sense to ride in road with the speed of cars. Have a nice day!!

One of the reasons I located in The Villages is that it was being promoted by the Developer as a "golf cart community". However, it is not a "true" GC community. A few weeks ago I was driving my street legal GEM on St. Charles when a car tailgated me and laid on the horn because I was only doing 25mph, which is the legal Florida limit. This irate driver proceeded to pass me IN THE CART LANE! Talk about idiots! That prompted me to purchase a "street legal" plate. That still didn't help as a young contractor on his cell phone tailgated me yesterday and shouted something out the window. Folks, the cost for my insurance and registration approaches that of a car. I have a legal right to be on the road, so get over it! If you're in that big of a hurry, move out of this retirement community. There, I've said it!:spoken:

[Skybo]

One of the reasons I located in The Villages is that it was being promoted by the Developer as a "golf cart community". However, it is not a "true" GC community. A few weeks ago I was driving my street legal GEM on St. Charles when a car tailgated me and laid on the horn because I was only doing 25mph, which is the legal Florida limit. This irate driver proceeded to pass me IN THE CART LANE! Talk about idiots! That prompted me to purchase a "street legal" plate. That still didn't help as a young contractor on his cell phone tailgated me yesterday and shouted something out the window. Folks, the cost for my insurance and registration approaches that of a car. I have a legal right to be on the road, so get over it! If you're in that big of a hurry, move out of this retirement community. There, I've said it!:spoken:

I was under the impression that even street-legals are supposed to drive in the “diamond lane” unless they are passing a slower moving vehicle. Is this incorrect?

[Mikeod]

I was under the impression that even street-legals are supposed to drive in the “diamond lane” unless they are passing a slower moving vehicle. Is this incorrect?
Just my opinion. Street legal carts are allowed to drive on roads marked for 35 mph or less. On roads like Bailey Trail, Canal, Odell, etc., where the limit is 30, they are allowed to drive on the roadways. However, since they are limited to 25 mph, and traffic tends to go 30 (or more), there is a tendency to back up traffic behind them. I think it would be courteous for street legals (LSV) to use the cart lane when cars are behind them to allow traffic to move more efficiently.

That said, tailgating is bullying.

[rhredd1654]

I was under the impression that even street-legals are supposed to drive in the “diamond lane” unless they are passing a slower moving vehicle. Is this incorrect?

Street legals are permitted on streets with a speed limit of 35mph or less, or on cart paths/lanes. I would drive in the cart lane with my GEM except I read here that carts were being ticketed for passing because they were crossing a solid white line. It's as bad as the multi-modal paths that are a free-for-all. GEMs are too wide for the 441/27 bridge and the LSL bridge.

[RichieLion]

Just my opinion. Street legal carts are allowed to drive on roads marked for 35 mph or less. On roads like Bailey Trail, Canal, Odell, etc., where the limit is 30, they are allowed to drive on the roadways. However, since they are limited to 25 mph, and traffic tends to go 30 (or more), there is a tendency to back up traffic behind them. I think it would be courteous for street legals (LSV) to use the cart lane when cars are behind them to allow traffic to move more efficiently.

That said, tailgating is bullying.

Everything you said and the way you said it is "spot on"; accurate ,logical and sensible.

[cappyjon431]

Just my opinion. Street legal carts are allowed to drive on roads marked for 35 mph or less. On roads like Bailey Trail, Canal, Odell, etc., where the limit is 30, they are allowed to drive on the roadways. However, since they are limited to 25 mph, and traffic tends to go 30 (or more), there is a tendency to back up traffic behind them. I think it would be courteous for street legals (LSV) to use the cart lane when cars are behind them to allow traffic to move more efficiently.

That said, tailgating is bullying.

I am a GEM owner and I agree. Morse (north of 466) is mostly one lane and it is another place where I try to use the cart lane even though I am permitted to go in the street. I don't want to hold up traffic.

I have had a few incidents on El Camino Real (speed limit 35 mph) where I have been in the right hand lane and people have layed on the horn, followed too closely before moving into the left lane, or flipped me off before passing me. I will say it is a good thing that I was limited to 25 mph because if I would have caught up to them, the would have regretted their rude behavior.

[Mikeod]

I have had a few incidents on El Camino Real (speed limit 35 mph) where I have been in the right hand lane and people have layed on the horn, followed too closely before moving into the left lane, or flipped me off before passing me. I will say it is a good thing that I was limited to 25 mph because if I would have caught up to them, the would have regretted their rude behavior.
I had a professor who, when he encountered such behavior caused by ignorance or stupidity, would simply say, "Well, that classifies them." I've never forgotten that and think about it whenever I encounter ignorant behavior.

[wilkinsm1]

I must have one of the slowest Club cars in The Villages. It is only 6 years old and we recently replaced the batteries, but I seem to be passed by just about everyone. However, I always get where I am going, albeit a little slower, and I will never get a speeding ticket. Yesterday coming from golf in my friend's cart, we had an unpleasant experience. We were going to turn at the corner to go to Sweetwater and had to wait at the green light as other cars were going straight through. A gentleman (??) screamed "Green light!" at us as if we should turn right into the oncoming traffic. I asked him what he wanted us to do, and as I turned around to see who he was, I saw a fairly young man sitting next to him. He wasn't much older than 55 or 60 himself, so he can't use the crochety old man excuse. What a poor example he was showing his younger passenger...screaming at two women who were just following traffic rules.:mad:

[raynan]

I don't know why the carts were pulled over on Thursday, but 2 of my neighbors have been stopped on St Charles recently for not coming to a complete stop (rolling stop) entering St Charles from a side street. In both instances they don't know where the police were parked to see them and seemed to come out of nowhere.

[Mikeod]

I don't know why the carts were pulled over on Thursday, but 2 of my neighbors have been stopped on St Charles recently for not coming to a complete stop (rolling stop) entering St Charles from a side street. In both instances they don't know where the police were parked to see them and seemed to come out of nowhere.
Yes, that's a problem. Even though the cart is likely going into the cart lane it scares the crud out of a car seeing the cart just run through the stop sign. Some cart drivers don't seem to think they are subject to the same moving regulations as the cars.

[EdV]

.....did you ever think about people who are annoyed by Street Legal Carts on road? I myself, (too each its own) rather not see any Street Legal Carts on road

It's not street legal carts that bother you, it's all carts. You cannot drive a car anywhere in TV without having to share the road with both regular and street legal golf carts.

[jgbama]

I was driving down St. Charles, south of buttonwood, and saw two police officers pulling golf carts over? The carts didn't seem to be speeding but anyone know why they were stopped? This was around 3pm today. Is this a normal thing in the villages? It's the first time seeing this.

I guess I'm just paranoid.


This may not answer your original question, but it is an answer to the speeding issue! :1rotfl:1993

[PaPaLarry]

It's not street legal carts that bother you, it's all carts. You cannot drive a car anywhere in TV without having to share the road with both regular and street legal golf carts.
No Ed!! It's the street legal carts. All the others are in cart path, but when your following street legal cart in street, it makes you defensive. I just feel that carts (all) belong in cart paths only, and cars belong in street. I'm sure it would be safer also. But like I said, to each his or her own!!

[stewartjames]

Hello everyone

First time on website. Yes I was pulled over on st charles coming off penecamp. I did not come to a full stop at the stop sign. No traffic either way so off I went.
Officer somewhat heavy handed but did only issue me a written warning. He advised we in the villages don't understand we must abide by the same rules of the road as autos and make complete stops. I thanked him for the warning and max my minature daschund and I proceeded to the dog park.
I don't know getting concerned about all this attention to the operation of a golf cart. When I first arrived my host handed me a beer and I asked if it was ok and he said sure everybody else does it? Now I read people being ticketed for sitting on their golf carts at the sg while enjoying a beverage. People arrested for DUI. I understand the safety issue however I do enjoy a beer on the GC and might enjoy one coming and going or traveling to or from. Apparently this is no longer going to be tolerated.

[Mikeod]

Hello everyone

First time on website. Yes I was pulled over on st charles coming off penecamp. I did not come to a full stop at the stop sign. No traffic either way so off I went.
Officer somewhat heavy handed but did only issue me a written warning. He advised we in the villages don't understand we must abide by the same rules of the road as autos and make complete stops. I thanked him for the warning and max my minature daschund and I proceeded to the dog park.
I don't know getting concerned about all this attention to the operation of a golf cart. When I first arrived my host handed me a beer and I asked if it was ok and he said sure everybody else does it? Now I read people being ticketed for sitting on their golf carts at the sg while enjoying a beverage. People arrested for DUI. I understand the safety issue however I do enjoy a beer on the GC and might enjoy one coming and going or traveling to or from. Apparently this is no longer going to be tolerated.
As far as alcohol is concerned, a golf cart is the same as a car, truck, or whatever. You cannot have an open container while the vehicle is on a public roadway. The parking areas around the town squares are part of the public roadway, so sitting in or on the cart with an alcoholic beverage is a violation. Drinking a beer while traveling in a golf cart is the same as doing it in a car. I think that the recent incidences of golf cart accidents, including fatalities, has caused the local authorities to enforce the existing laws more thoroughly. Also, one has only to look at the number of plastic cart signs on the paths that are destroyed by being run over to see that some of the residents/visitors are having trouble navigating in their cars and carts after enjoying their drinks.

[JoeC1947]

Hello everyone

First time on website. Yes I was pulled over on st charles coming off penecamp. I did not come to a full stop at the stop sign. No traffic either way so off I went.
Officer somewhat heavy handed but did only issue me a written warning. He advised we in the villages don't understand we must abide by the same rules of the road as autos and make complete stops. I thanked him for the warning and max my minature daschund and I proceeded to the dog park.
I don't know getting concerned about all this attention to the operation of a golf cart. When I first arrived my host handed me a beer and I asked if it was ok and he said sure everybody else does it? Now I read people being ticketed for sitting on their golf carts at the sg while enjoying a beverage. People arrested for DUI. I understand the safety issue however I do enjoy a beer on the GC and might enjoy one coming and going or traveling to or from. Apparently this is no longer going to be tolerated.

A DUI is a DUI. You put yourself and others at risk and it was never tolerated.
It's probably harder to get caught in a golf cart but still just as dangerous if not more.

[JoeC1947]

As far as alcohol is concerned, a golf cart is the same as a car, truck, or whatever. You cannot have an open container while the vehicle is on a public roadway. The parking areas around the town squares are part of the public roadway, so sitting in or on the cart with an alcoholic beverage is a violation. Drinking a beer while traveling in a golf cart is the same as doing it in a car. I think that the recent incidences of golf cart accidents, including fatalities, has caused the local authorities to enforce the existing laws more thoroughly. Also, one has only to look at the number of plastic cart signs on the paths that are destroyed by being run over to see that some of the residents/visitors are having trouble navigating in their cars and carts after enjoying their drinks.

:agree:

[paulandjean]

I think a lot of it has to do with the police officer.I have had a beer in my golf cart at LSL while talking to a cop.Know if I was driving away with it in the cup-holder it probably would be a different story. I found they just ignore you if you are sitting and siping listening to the music.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think a lot of it has to do with the police officer.I have had a beer in my golf cart at LSL while talking to a cop.Know if I was driving away with it in the cup-holder it probably would be a different story. I found they just ignore you if you are sitting and siping listening to the music.

I wouldn't bank on that.

[Pturner]

This may not answer your original question, but it is an answer to the speeding issue! :1rotfl:1993

lol

[CarGuys]

Why don,t they pull over the contractor trucks that are blowing stop signs and driving twice the speed limit, I see alot more of them then speeding carts and by the way maybe while they are sighting the driver they could check for green cards of the six to ten passengers that are packed illeagally on the back of the truck,or are they afraid of stepping on Big toes

We were here last week for work on our new home. The people were nice the carts all seemed to be doing the legal thing?

The darn construction vehciles were weaving, running stop signs. turn signals are optional to them? They were speeding and I was shocked to see from our car how close they drifted to carts in the Diamond path heading up St Charles to Tamarind.

Also in one week the inner gate post completely smashed twice. Once bent up bad second time ripped off!

I guess this is the STRESS of new developement growth?

[graciegirl]

We were here last week for work on our new home. The people were nice the carts all seemed to be doing the legal thing?

The darn construction vehciles were weaving, running stop signs. turn signals are optional to them? They were speeding and I was shocked to see from our car how close they drifted to carts in the Diamond path heading up St Charles to Tamarind.

Also in one week the inner gate post completely smashed twice. Once bent up bad second time ripped off!

I guess this is the STRESS of new developement growth?

No...more likely the twofers at happy hour.

[Skybo]

We were here last week for work on our new home. The people were nice the carts all seemed to be doing the legal thing?

The darn construction vehciles were weaving, running stop signs. turn signals are optional to them? They were speeding and I was shocked to see from our car how close they drifted to carts in the Diamond path heading up St Charles to Tamarind.

Also in one week the inner gate post completely smashed twice. Once bent up bad second time ripped off!

I guess this is the STRESS of new developement growth?

CarGuys...I have posted a few times about this problem in the St. Charles/Tamarind Grove area, as have others. It is a scary, scary stretch of road for both cars and carts. Your description of how the contractor vehicles drive is spot on. We’ve had a couple of accidents, including a fatality. I've had several close calls in both my car and golf cart. It is mainly due to the construction going on...with St. Charles being the only main road into the last remaining construction going on North of 466A.

There were people complaining in another thread about the police issuing tickets on St. Charles. Those folks (the complainers) obviously haven’t spent much time driving that stretch of St. Charles, or else they’d be welcoming police presence. Edited to add...Jeez, it's this thread that folks are complaining about tickets on St. Charles !DOH!:doh:

No...more likely the twofers at happy hour.

Sorry GG, wrong assumption on your part. That gate gets knocked down at least once a day, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day. And I am not exaggerating one bit. It has nothing to do with drinking and driving. The gates are set to open automatically (I assume because of all of the construction). And on the left side, the contractor vehicles don’t even slow down...because they are expecting the gate to pop open before they get there...which it does, 8 out of 10 times. The other two times...the gate gets smashed. AND, there is a golf cart crossing on the other side of the gate. It’s beyond ridiculous, and we’ve been living (by the grace of God) with this situation for months.

[paulandjean]

I agree, sometimes we are giving the drinkers to much credit.Lots of drivers should not be behind the wheel.Poor eyesight, Poor hearing, Under Medication,and lets face some people will never leard to drive.As far as drinking a beer sitting in a park cart at the square,like I said I have talked to the police in conversation and never never,been told You cannot do that. Sorry bogieboy. Just a thought remember some of these young police where young college students drinking beer and partying on college game days just a few years ago.

[Bogie Shooter]

I agree, sometimes we are giving the drinkers to much credit.Lots of drivers should not be behind the wheel.Poor eyesight, Poor hearing, Under Medication,and lets face some people will never leard to drive.As far as drinking a beer sitting in a park cart at the square,like I said I have talked to the police in conversation and never never,been told You cannot do that. Sorry bogieboy. Just a thought remember some of these young police where young college students drinking beer and partying on college game days just a few years ago.

Sorry Paulboy & Jeangirl, your assumptions are wrong. Also I don't understand what the last sentence has to do with the law.

The following from the January POA Bulletin-

7) I have heard recently that someone received
a $116.00 ticket for having an opencontainer of beer while sitting in his golf cart
in the square. What are the rules regarding
open containers containing alcohol in the
downtown square areas and while just sitting
in a golf cart? A: It is against the law to
have an open container of alcohol in any
motor vehicle, whether it is parked or stationary
if it is situated on a road which is
defined by the Florida Statutes as, “…a way
open to travel, including, but not limited to,
a street, highway or alley. The term includes
associated sidewalks, the roadbed, the rightof-
way, and all culverts…” You can also get
an open container citation if you are operating
a golf cart (moving vehicle anywhere in
Florida) on the cart path. This applies to
both cart drivers and passengers.

[skip0358]

I agree with the other posters. The contractors are out of control. It's like a hands off them order. How many are driving around without names on the vehicles, against TV rules. Nothing happens as for a gate getting crashed not a golf cart. I drive around a lot and believe me from the garbage trucks to the concrete trucks they're all pedal to the metal. A petition signed by the neighbors to the sheriffs office will work. Why is it always drinking, I just don't get it.

[paulandjean]

7. I have have heard reently that "someone" received $116 ticket for an open container of beer sitting in his golf cart in the square. Could be just gossip, never seen this take place at the squares ever. We are there almost every night.Could have been drunk, pulled over for stop signs who knows. All I can tell you is from past experience. If you want to believe fine, if you do not want to believe fine. These police understand the square climate,if you are not causing a problem they will ignore you. Remember they like having a beer also.

[Bogie Shooter]

7. I have have heard reently that "someone" received $116 ticket for an open container of beer sitting in his golf cart in the square. Could be just gossip, never seen this take place at the squares ever. We are there almost every night.Could have been drunk, pulled over for stop signs who knows. All I can tell you is from past experience. If you want to believe fine, if you do not want to believe fine. These police understand the square climate,if you are not causing a problem they will ignore you. Remember they like having a beer also.

Did you read the answer to the question?

[cappyjon431]

there was a whole thread on this a while back, started by someone who was ACTUALLY busted for having an open container while sitting in their golf cart on the square, as well as replies from others who have seen this occur before. I think this is it:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/busted-lake-sumter-square-44445/

Note: It looks like the original poster has edited his initial post, but it can be found copied in the replies.

Here is another thread where this type of ticketing has been reported:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/violation-tickets-39260/

[downeaster]

7. I have have heard reently that "someone" received $116 ticket for an open container of beer sitting in his golf cart in the square. Could be just gossip, never seen this take place at the squares ever. We are there almost every night.Could have been drunk, pulled over for stop signs who knows. All I can tell you is from past experience. If you want to believe fine, if you do not want to believe fine. These police understand the square climate,if you are not causing a problem they will ignore you. Remember they like having a beer also.

I sincerely hope this is not true. If a police officer observes a law being broken it is his/her duty to take appropriate action. Ignoring it is not appropriate.

The open container law was passed to address a very serious problem. I would hope it is enforced.

[NJblue]

[/B]

I sincerely hope this is not true. If a police officer observes a law being broken it is his/her duty to take appropriate action. Ignoring it is not appropriate.

The open container law was passed to address a very serious problem. I would hope it is enforced.

If the police enforced every law that they saw broken, they would run out of ticket books. Have you ever crossed the street at the square without going to the corner first? If so, you should readily accept a ticket as would hundreds of others each night. Law enforcement can't possibly enforce every single violation - and thank goodness they don't or no one would be too happy.

[paulandjean]

I Agree.

[paulandjean]

Detroit 1967,Bunch of us High School buddies up on the train tracks drinking ice cold beers from a cooler. Detroit Police caught, Do not do this again, take about 30 beers and the ice cooler. Later that night hamburger joint across from police station,midnight,shift change, police car unloading "our" beers and cooler into cops own trunk.No sometimes police just let some things go.

[skip0358]

[/B]

I sincerely hope this is not true. If a police officer observes a law being broken it is his/her duty to take appropriate action. Ignoring it is not appropriate.

The open container law was passed to address a very serious problem. I would hope it is enforced.

If they have the discretion as to give a warning verus a ticket they also have this discretion. There are many laws they don't enforce speed is another.

[downeaster]

If the police enforced every law that they saw broken, they would run out of ticket books. Have you ever crossed the street at the square without going to the corner first? If so, you should readily accept a ticket as would hundreds of others each night. Law enforcement can't possibly enforce every single violation - and thank goodness they don't or no one would be too happy.

Maybe they should be called "Cafeteria Cops". They choose which laws they want to enforce. If they are beer drinkers they do not enforce laws relative to beer drinking. If they are ardent prohibitionists they enforce only laws pertaining to booze.

Those of you who think enforcing the open container law is wrong just keep right on drinking beer while sitting in your golf cart. When you eventually get a ticket simply take it to Bunnell and explain your position to the judge. If you are ever hit by a cart driver who got sloshed while sitting in his golf cart at the square I am sure you will understand why the police chose to ignore him.

[Irish Rover]

If you have an IPhone there is an APP called Limiteur (free) that will allow you to track your speed. I have been using it here. Sure beats installing a speedometer.

[Barefoot]

If you have an IPhone there is an APP called Limiteur (free) that will allow you to track your speed. I have been using it here. Sure beats installing a speedometer.

I thought I'd be able to unload it on my iPad, no such luck.

[buggyone]

Just make sure your golf cart is not geared to go over 20 mph. I used my GPS to check mine and it is a steady 19 mph.

I was on Talley Ridge this morning doing my 19 mph and another golf cart passed me and was quickly out of sight. He had to be doing 35 mph. Well, it does not bother me at all to be passed by a speeding golf cart but it would give me a huge laugh if he were nabbed by a police officer and I got to see it.

[joanofarctv]

Well if it was because of speeding they deserve it...and if it was litering and dropping cigarette butts....ewwww that's even worse :wave:

[billethkid]

just like on the road...the more cops the better...the more tickets the better....there is no need to go up to 10 mph faster to get to the same t time we all go the speed limit to get to.....go get em Danno!

btk

[John_W]

Highway speed limits are 55 and interstates are 65 - 70 yet most cars can operate up to speeds of 120 - 150, well above the max speed limits. It doesn't make practical sense that golf carts that are capable of doing 25 are governed back to a speed of 19 mph, which just so happens to be the speed limit. Removing the operators's capability to have a reserve speed available is limiting the driver's capability to maneuver in and out of situations. Besides, who determined that 19 was safe and not 25?

I use 25 mph and not a higher speed because most Yamaha gas carts can go 25 after about 1 minute of tinkering with the engine, and 25 on a straight stretch of road is not a problem to handle unless you're someone who shouldn't be driving to begin with.

[buggyone]

Well, JohnW, don't come crying about a hefty fine when you get pulled over for doing 25 mph in your golf cart.

[John_W]

Well, JohnW, don't come crying about a hefty fine when you get pulled over for doing 25 mph in your golf cart.

I only made a statement that no other motor vehicle whether it's cars, boats, motorcycles, airplanes is their potential speed limited to the maximum speed allowed. Where's the logic and who made that determination? No one is crying, I only asked a question.

[skip0358]

I only made a statement that no other motor vehicle whether it's cars, boats, motorcycles, airplanes is their potential speed limited to the maximum speed allowed. Where's the logic and who made that determination? No one is crying, I only asked a question.

May be true but a golf cart by Florida law is not to go over 19.9mph or it's not legaly a golf cart and must meet lsv standards and be registered.That's the difference.

[Shimpy]

I only made a statement that no other motor vehicle whether it's cars, boats, motorcycles, airplanes is their potential speed limited to the maximum speed allowed. Where's the logic and who made that determination? No one is crying, I only asked a question.

I agree with JohnW. It's safer to have the extra capability when you are passing someone doing 16 MPH and backing up traffic. It's safer to be able to get around quicker than taking a long time out in the car lane.
You will always have people driving 5 mph under the limit no matter how low it is. It is inconsiderate for someone to be holding up everyone else just because they want to poke along.

[paulandjean]

Anybody know really,how many tickets have been issued for speeding above the 19.9 limit. Have not meet one person yet.

[natickdan]

Highway speed limits are 55 and interstates are 65 - 70 yet most cars can operate up to speeds of 120 - 150, well above the max speed limits. It doesn't make practical sense that golf carts that are capable of doing 25 are governed back to a speed of 19 mph, which just so happens to be the speed limit. Removing the operators's capability to have a reserve speed available is limiting the driver's capability to maneuver in and out of situations. Besides, who determined that 19 was safe and not 25?

I use 25 mph and not a higher speed because most Yamaha gas carts can go 25 after about 1 minute of tinkering with the engine, and 25 on a straight stretch of road is not a problem to handle unless you're someone who shouldn't be driving to begin with.

Come on, John_W. Yes, I would like to have my golf cart do 25 MPH and, what the hell, maybe 35 MPH and even blow through those pain in the neck stop signs that are really meant for cars. In all seriousness, you may only be "asking", but these are the laws...yes, laws, that apply to all of us...Enjoy going 25 MPH, but don't expect me to pull over to let you pass me when I'm cruising along at 19.5 MPH.

[downeaster]

Just make sure your golf cart is not geared to go over 20 mph. I used my GPS to check mine and it is a steady 19 mph.

I was on Talley Ridge this morning doing my 19 mph and another golf cart passed me and was quickly out of sight. He had to be doing 35 mph. Well, it does not bother me at all to be passed by a speeding golf cart but it would give me a huge laugh if he were nabbed by a police officer and I got to see it.

Correct, buggyone. Following is copied from Florida Statutes:

 “Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

[John_W]

Come on, John_W. Yes, I would like to have my golf cart do 25 MPH and, what the hell, maybe 35 MPH and even blow through those pain in the neck stop signs that are really meant for cars...

Again, someone exaggerating my statement, I only said 25 mph would be sufficient, not 35. It's no different then when speed limits on interstates were 55, Sammy Hagar even wrote a song about it and now that is a faint memory. I believe that most of us that's been driving for a lifetime can certainly manage a golf cart at 25mph. I've been driving since 1966 without ever having an accident and my last ticket, yes it was for speeding, was in 1988.

Too many of these type laws have a such fine line. On the the cart paths you're not prohibited from going 25 because it's private property even though it's a few feet away. The same with an open beer while sitting in your parked cart and sitting next to your cart with the same open beer. Common sense is what is needed, not someone else's arbitrary definition.

[Penguin]

Highway speed limits are 55 and interstates are 65 - 70 yet most cars can operate up to speeds of 120 - 150, well above the max speed limits. It doesn't make practical sense that golf carts that are capable of doing 25 are governed back to a speed of 19 mph, which just so happens to be the speed limit. Removing the operators's capability to have a reserve speed available is limiting the driver's capability to maneuver in and out of situations. Besides, who determined that 19 was safe and not 25?

I use 25 mph and not a higher speed because most Yamaha gas carts can go 25 after about 1 minute of tinkering with the engine, and 25 on a straight stretch of road is not a problem to handle unless you're someone who shouldn't be driving to begin with.

AMEN brother.

[CarGuys]

I thought I'd be able to unload it on my iPad, no such luck.

Try App SpeedoMeter

Herv

[thistrucksforyou]

tax dollars spent on deputies and equipment to check golf cart speeds is a bad thing?

Speeders put my wife's life/health safety at risk.
Speeders put my life/health safety at risk.
Speeders put my property at risk.

Speeders are law breakers. They do not have the right to put others' life/health safety and property at risk. Period.

Deputies who write tickets for speeding are protecting life and property; they are not thinking "revenue stream".

But hey! If generating revenue is the real reason why deputies are ticketing speeders, then let's band together to retaliate. Let's do something that'll really hit them hard. Let's obey the speed limit! That'll teach those big bullies for enforcing the law! No money for you!

retired cop maybe ?

[RayinPenn]

Highway speed limits are 55 and interstates are 65 - 70 yet most cars can operate up to speeds of 120 - 150, well above the max speed limits. It doesn't make practical sense that golf carts that are capable of doing 25 are governed back to a speed of 19 mph, which just so happens to be the speed limit. Removing the operators's capability to have a reserve speed available is limiting the driver's capability to maneuver in and out of situations. Besides, who determined that 19 was safe and not 25?

I use 25 mph and not a higher speed because most Yamaha gas carts can go 25 after about 1 minute of tinkering with the engine, and 25 on a straight stretch of road is not a problem to handle unless you're someone who shouldn't be driving to begin with.

Sorry friend are you kidding? Respectfully you are being pretty darn selfish. You think you can zip along and be perfectly safe but you are not lone on the road. Hopefully you don't crack up and hurt someone who is obeying the law.
Think about how you will feel if you have an accident while speeding.. I know you are perfect and it's no problem right? Wrong!. I suggest you talk to a highway poiceman he/she will set you straight.

[villages07]

I thought I'd be able to unload it on my iPad, no such luck.

Bare .... a speedometer app would have to have active internet service to access GPS satellites and determine your speed/distance.

I believe your ipad is 3G (internet anywhere) capable, but, last I recall you did not have an active data plan.

So, for you, a speedo app would only work at home.... see how fast you can walk from the fridge to the lanai :-)

[John_W]

Sorry friend are you kidding? Respectfully you are being pretty darn selfish. You think you can zip along and be perfectly safe but you are not lone on the road. Hopefully you don't crack up and hurt someone who is obeying the law.
Think about how you will feel if you have an accident while speeding.. I know you are perfect and it's no problem right? Wrong!. I suggest you talk to a highway poiceman he/she will set you straight.

You would have a valid point if we were all beginner drivers and I was going through driver's ed. However I don't take corners at 25 mph, not even at 19 mph. Top speeds are for long straight stretches of roadway. Accidents happen mostly when turns are involved. If someone has been driving 45 years without an accident, then I would consider the fact they could handle a golf cart at 25 mph and would have enough logic to know to slow down for turns and encounters with other vehicles.

Why would I feel bad for having an accident at 25 but not at 19 mph? Because 25 is considered speeding, how about 20, is that considered speeding, or 22? I would be upset at any speed, even 10 mph. When driving your car on I-75 do you still drive 55? Remember that was the speed limit until it was changed to 70.

[papabigdan]

Maybe they were looking for illegal donuts.

[kirk1]

I feel how a person drives is more important than how fast they drive. Being reckless can happen at any speed even at 19mph or less. The golf cart accident at Maderra and Morris had nothing to with speed but everything to do with inattention. I see nothing wrong with being passed in my golf cart, as long as it is done safely. I also feel that exceeding the 19.9mph does not make a reckless driver. After all the ticket is for a registration violation not reckless driving.

[EdV]

... I only said 25 mph would be sufficient, not 35....

Instead of expecting the laws to conform to your needs, why not conform and adapt to the laws.

If you want to be able to travel TV legally at up to 25mph you can. Just upgrade your cart with LSV saftey equipment and register and insure it for $450/yr. After all, it’s only money. You will have the added benefit of additional safety equipment designed for operation at that speed.

[JoeC1947]

You would have a valid point if we were all beginner drivers and I was going through driver's ed. However I don't take corners at 25 mph, not even at 19 mph. Top speeds are for long straight stretches of roadway. Accidents happen mostly when turns are involved. If someone has been driving 45 years without an accident, then I would consider the fact they could handle a golf cart at 25 mph and would have enough logic to know to slow down for turns and encounters with other vehicles.

Why would I feel bad for having an accident at 25 but not at 19 mph? Because 25 is considered speeding, how about 20, is that considered speeding, or 22? I would be upset at any speed, even 10 mph. When driving your car on I-75 do you still drive 55? Remember that was the speed limit until it was changed to 70.

I hear what your saying JW and tend to agree but you're not going to change anybody's mind on this board so I wouldn't try.

Like with a car, a little extra power would help maneuver around slower carts, joggers and bicycles quicker therefore making it safer to pass.

[EdV]

No Ed!! It's the street legal carts. All the others are in cart path..... But like I said, to each his or her own!!

Larry, you are certainly entitled to your own opinions but that shouldn’t give you license to mislead others in this forum who may not have been here yet.

So I’ll say it again. You cannot go anywhere in TV without having to share the road with golf carts (regular and street legal) most of the time. In fact, the total amount of separate multimodal paths is a small fraction of the shared roadways in TV.

So if there are any wannabees out there that share Larry’s trepidation of carts in the road, you may want to look elsewhere.

[PPreu]

As a retired police Lieutenant, I bristle at some of the comments I read here. Let me state the facts: DUI, Reckless Driving and the various forms of vehicular homicide are CRIMES, not ticketable offenses. An operator may be charged for a DUI "anywhere within this state", and that includes golf cart paths, shopping centers and even your own driveway. "Anywhere" means anywhere.

A source of revenue? Really? In my home state (and I know it varies from state to state), $5.00 of every pay-by-mail ticket goes to the municipality while the rest goes in to the state's General Fund. Some localities have their own printed up tickets, but in the case of the SCSO or MCSO or LCSO, these are state issued tickets, so the town of Lady Lake receives NO "revenue".

When you see a "police presence", its always as the result of an order from a superior officer which, in turn, is the result of complaints made by residents. Historically, its been my experience, that resident complaints usually result in tickets issued to residents.

Lastly, when I sent an officer(s) to an area as the result of complaints of speeders, I expected results.

Ok, Ive vented, its off to the golf course where I find peace in the valley.

[graciegirl]

As a retired police Lieutenant, I bristle at some of the comments I read here. Let me state the facts: DUI, Reckless Driving and the various forms of vehicular homicide are CRIMES, not ticketable offenses. An operator may be charged for a DUI "anywhere within this state", and that includes golf cart paths, shopping centers and even your own driveway. "Anywhere" means anywhere.

A source of revenue? Really? In my home state (and I know it varies from state to state), $5.00 of every pay-by-mail ticket goes to the municipality while the rest goes in to the state's General Fund. Some localities have their own printed up tickets, but in the case of the SCSO or MCSO or LCSO, these are state issued tickets, so the town of Lady Lake receives NO "revenue".

When you see a "police presence", its always as the result of an order from a superior officer which, in turn, is the result of complaints made by residents. Historically, its been my experience, that resident complaints usually result in tickets issued to residents.

Lastly, when I sent an officer(s) to an area as the result of complaints of speeders, I expected results.

Ok, Ive vented, its off to the golf course where I find peace in the valley.

Well said! Nicely said. Diplomatically said. And I agree 100%!
Some will always have trouble with authority. I think laws and rules protect us. The person that said that no minds will be changed on this forum is correct. We are a bunch of stubborn old....f...um...folks.

[CarGuys]

Instead of expecting the laws to conform to your needs, why not conform and adapt to the laws.

If you want to be able to travel TV legally at up to 25mph you can. Just upgrade your cart with LSV saftey equipment and register and insure it for $450/yr. After all, it’s only money. You will have the added benefit of additional safety equipment designed for operation at that speed.

Excellent point. Many are not thinking about the fact that their GOLF designed carts were NOT designed to go over 20 mph for extended times. A LSV had four real brakes. And if it goes 30+ at least it can steer and stop!

Is it a golf cart for low speed Golf and enjoyment or a vehicle to provide personal transportation. I think all Village Carts should meet LSV standards with belts brakes wipers etc. IMHO

But this will get beat to death again and again and again. Yamaha and other companies could build a model " Village Ready " and sell em like hotcakes

[CarGuys]

Well said! Nicely said. Diplomatically said. And I agree 100%!
Some will always have trouble with authority. I think laws and rules protect us. The person that said that no minds will be changed on this forum is correct. We are a bunch of stubborn old....f...um...folks.

Agree! Well said

[dillywho]

:police:Many carts are being pulled over for running the stop signs, not for speeding. The general assumption seems to be that they were caught speeding.

I have noticed all over that cars and carts alike seem to have the mindset that the red and white signs that say STOP are only there to add color to the landscape.

[jbdlfan]

This conversation is typical as it relates to our problems as a society. We seem to think that laws can be "fudged." We don't understand why young people don't respect authority while at the same time people drink while driving, speed and ignore other laws. Gee, I wonder where they learn this behavior??????