Regarding Same-Sex Marriage

[Guest]

I saw something today that really summed up part of my feelings concerning the debate that always swirls around same-sex marriage.


Charlie Sheen can make a "Porn Family"

Kelsey Grammar ended his 15-year marriage over the phone.

Larry King has had 8 divorces

Kim Kardashian's marriage cost $10M and lasted 72 days

New Gingrich had affairs on multiple wives and has blamed it on his 'patriotism' - and there are worse stories if you believe them.

Brittany Spears had a 55-hour marriage annulled.

Jesse James and Tiger Woods were having sex with everything that moved while married.

43-50% of "traditional" marriages end in divorce...

....but somehow same-sex marriage is going to "destroy" the institution of marriage..

REALLY?

[Guest]

I saw something today that really summed up part of my feelings concerning the debate that always swirls around same-sex marriage.

So, people who are bad actors negate the time honored societal institution.

Is that how we judge things now?

I could come up with lots of things to rework and eliminate by that rule.

[Guest]

"Time honored" doesn't always mean right. I fail to see how anyone's marriage will affect my marriage. People who often spout about the government getting out of their lives are often those who think that it is ok to take away the rights of others.

[Guest]

So, people who are bad actors negate the time honored societal institution.

Is that how we judge things now?

I could come up with lots of things to rework and eliminate by that rule.

Would love to see your excessive dissertation on just how you are personally affected by same sex marriage. Are they your next door neighbors? Have they hurt you in any way? Have they offended you by telling you that your time honored traditions are bad? Just what is it that makes you a victim?

[Guest]

"Time honored" doesn't always mean right. I fail to see how anyone's marriage will affect my marriage. People who often spout about the government getting out of their lives are often those who think that it is ok to take away the rights of others.

It's because people see a bigger picture and agenda at work here with regard to "gay marriage". The secular left has been trying to delegitimatize the traditional nuclear family for years now, for the same reason they try to delegitimatize religion. The secular left feel there shouldn't be anything greater than "the State".

Everyone knows what marriage is and are being brainwashed. I know your intentions are good, but I think those who would redefine marriage are being misled and used in support of the destruction of traditional human ideals.

Gays can get the partnership protections they desire through realistic legislation. I say "partnership" because that's what it is. It's not marriage.
They'll be no carrying on the family bloodline here.

I don't say this to be mean. I have gay people in my life I care about who would like to marry. But it's not "marriage" no matter what is finally decided by the courts.

[Guest]

I have a very dear Catholic friend, who also happens to be a gay man. He refuses to marry because Marriage is a well defined Sacrament of the Catholic church. He has no problem with other gays who have entered into Civil Unions, but said he will never go that route either.

[Guest]

Here's a real interesting article on gay marriage, reflective on the continuing rancor about legalize abortion. No matter where we fall on the issue, it's a good read.

No Roe for Gays - Ronald Brownstein - NationalJournal.com (http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns/political-connections/no-roe-for-gays-20120223)

[Guest]

Secular sociey has been brainwashing our society for so long now that most people can't remeber what normal once was. Anyone who believes that same sex marriage going rampart won't tear at the fabric of our society is ignoring the realities. Gay mariage is an oxymoron

[Guest]

The problem is that today's militant, in-your-face homosexuals want to replace the millenia-old institution of civil marriage with something that it is not.

It's like replacing the U.S. Constitution with something written by some Hollywood celebrities like Rosie O'Donnell, Sean Penn and Michael Moore.

Many conservatives like Gingrich and Romney have clearly stated (last debate) that a separate legal status such as "Domestic Partnership" would be workable to provide gays with many of the rights they seek and that traditional marriage provides.

But that's not good enough for those who seek to replace what our forefathers put into place as the foundation for an enduring society and nation.

[Guest]

The problem is that today's militant, in-your-face homosexuals want to replace the millenia-old institution of civil marriage with something that it is not.

It's like replacing the U.S. Constitution with something written by some Hollywood celebrities like Rosie O'Donnell, Sean Penn and Michael Moore.

Many conservatives like Gingrich and Romney have clearly stated (last debate) that a separate legal status such as "Domestic Partnership" would be workable to provide gays with many of the rights they seek and that traditional marriage provides.

But that's not good enough for those who seek to replace what our forefathers put into place as the foundation for an enduring society and nation.

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[Guest]

Sometimes I find things posted here to come from another time.
Richie I'm shocked you took the Vatican's position on this after only finding out about it a couple of days ago.

Katz I have gay friends who are married, civil unioned and nothing. Some have kids most not. Your friend is in the minority....

[Guest]

Personally, I think that a "civil union" with all the same legal protections of a marriage is good for gay and lesbian couples.

It should not offend anyone to have a civil union. If they can find a church minister to do a ceremony, that is fine with me, too. Still, it is a binding contract just as if a man and woman got married.

No need to make this a constitutional amendment.

[Guest]

Sometimes I find things posted here to come from another time.
Richie I'm shocked you took the Vatican's position on this after only finding out about it a couple of days ago.

Katz I have gay friends who are married, civil unioned and nothing. Some have kids most not. Your friend is in the minority....

When did I mention the Vatican?? I have no idea what your reference to something that happened a "couple of day's ago" is.

[Guest]

If a heterosexual couple chooses not to have children and carry on bloodlines, is it then not a marriage? Our friends have 2 children through invitro, one child is from one mother's egg, and the other is from the other mother. They used the same donor. They will be carrying on the bloodlines. However, that is not the point. They are a loving committed couple. Their marriage has no affect on mine. It seems like people that have a problem with gay marriage, tend to use words like secular, brainwashed, traditional core values, blah, blah, blah. I'm not brainwashed and have deep spiritual beliefs. My core values are that ALL people should be treated equally.

[Guest]

Catholics, Muslims, Baptists. They are all basically the same with a degree of violence that has different limits. If this poor earth can survive the religious nuts long enough, maybe we will end up with one religion for all. That would be in the best interest of every human on earth. And no, I don't want the responsibility to make the choice of the one to select. I do like the Buddhist for a religion and the Atheist if we go without one at all.

[Guest]

Personally, I think that a "civil union" with all the same legal protections of a marriage is good for gay and lesbian couples.

It should not offend anyone to have a civil union. If they can find a church minister to do a ceremony, that is fine with me, too. Still, it is a binding contract just as if a man and woman got married.

No need to make this a constitutional amendment.

Except that "civil union" doesn't do that. The 1600 'benefits' of marriage that a congressional study outlined are benefits of just that - marriage.

[Guest]

Richie and ilovetv: You are proceeding from a false assumption.

The "liberal left" isn't trying to replace marriage. You could make an argument that they're trying to "widen the tent" to include more but that's about it.

NOT ONCE - NEVER - has any advocate taken measures to legislate away someone's "traditional" marriage - yet this is what conservatives are doing in states that DO allow gay marriages.

To anti-same-sex-marriage conservatives, I say the following: My gay aunt DOESN'T GIVE A SICK DINGO'S KIDNEY about "your" marriage - why would you be so concerned about hers?

I had my eyes opened on this topic some years ago. I had no idea about the kinds of discrimination that went on - the kinds of terrible stories that I've since heard. And yet there are some people out there who claim to know what the "real agenda" is of people they know nothing about.

That's the part that gets me the most angry.

[Guest]

Richie and ilovetv: You are proceeding from a false assumption.

The "liberal left" isn't trying to replace marriage. You could make an argument that they're trying to "widen the tent" to include more but that's about it.

NOT ONCE - NEVER - has any advocate taken measures to legislate away someone's "traditional" marriage - yet this is what conservatives are doing in states that DO allow gay marriages.

To anti-same-sex-marriage conservatives, I say the following: My gay aunt DOESN'T GIVE A SICK DINGO'S KIDNEY about "your" marriage - why would you be so concerned about hers?

I had my eyes opened on this topic some years ago. I had no idea about the kinds of discrimination that went on - the kinds of terrible stories that I've since heard. And yet there are some people out there who claim to know what the "real agenda" is of people they know nothing about.

That's the part that gets me the most angry.

I'm not saying the liberals are intentionally destroying the binding fabric of our society. They are being exploited and are being duped. I know you protest and don't believe it. It will be too late when you do.

Read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and you'll get some idea what is the real agenda. Well meaning dupes will be the death of the American Dream.

I know more righteous outrage will be directed at me, but I can take it. The country cannot.

[Guest]

Richie, I've barely heard of Saul Alinsky - and never before the last couple of years. There's no way on this earth that he's influencing me from beyond the grave. Any 'lackeys' or 'disciples' of his aren't going to be able to influence me. I make up my own mind on things. I weigh the pros and cons of each side.

Liberals seem to hate my more conservative views (was called worse than Atilla the Hun in the 80s) and conservatives seem to think I'm liberal (one calling me a 'pro death windbag' in the 1990s).

Who influenced me?

The writing of Thomas Jefferson.

A guy in 1980 named Roy Stone who once said to me "What makes you think the government owes you a living?"

Ask me my influences - or why I made my mind up on something and I'll be more than happy to tell you.

[Guest]

Richie, I've barely heard of Saul Alinsky - and never before the last couple of years. There's no way on this earth that he's influencing me from beyond the grave. Any 'lackeys' or 'disciples' of his aren't going to be able to influence me. I make up my own mind on things. I weigh the pros and cons of each side.

Liberals seem to hate my more conservative views (was called worse than Atilla the Hun in the 80s) and conservatives seem to think I'm liberal (one calling me a 'pro death windbag' in the 1990s).

Who influenced me?

The writing of Thomas Jefferson.

A guy in 1980 named Roy Stone who once said to me "What makes you think the government owes you a living?"

Ask me my influences - or why I made my mind up on something and I'll be more than happy to tell you.

Sorry, unacceptable to most right wingers. Unless you fall into lock-step on each and every one of thier pet stances, and positions, you are a left wing liberal wacko.

[Guest]

Sorry, unacceptable to most right wingers. Unless you fall into lock-step on each and every one of thier pet stances, and positions, you are a left wing liberal wacko.

I did not know that until I started reading the posts on this forum. The conservatives I know personally will at least consider alternative ideas. Compromise is the only way to have us all live together and some do not wish to compromise.