What a shock! It was all a BIG PRODUCTION!

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Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist-
Jammie Wearing Fool reported:

I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.

Unreal. This was all just a big dishonest Democrat ploy to take the attention off of Barack Obama’s assault on religious freedom.
It figures.

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Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/stunner-georgetown-coed-sandra-fluke-is-a-30-year-old-womens-rights-activist/)

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And the republicans took the bait hook, line, and sinker.

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If that is true, does that make it OK for a public figure to call her a slut and a prostitute?

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Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist-
Jammie Wearing Fool reported:

I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.

Unreal. This was all just a big dishonest Democrat ploy to take the attention off of Barack Obama’s assault on religious freedom.
It figures.

ALL FROM THIS LINK-

Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/stunner-georgetown-coed-sandra-fluke-is-a-30-year-old-womens-rights-activist/)

Not sure who is being played here. I, and most if not all, who posted on the limbaugh situation did not defend her testimony or her position. What I did was chastize limbaugh for his ridiculous and vulgar response, which stands regardless of her situation.

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So who did the math and figured that the 3rd-year law student - which turns out to be true - *had* to be 23? So far I haven't seen her claiming she was 23 and the real meat of her testimony to the non-official-committee was about someone ELSE who had ovarian cysts.

So now Limbaugh seems to be quoted as saying he "used the wrong words".

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Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist-
Jammie Wearing Fool reported:

I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.

Unreal. This was all just a big dishonest Democrat ploy to take the attention off of Barack Obama’s assault on religious freedom.
It figures.

ALL FROM THIS LINK-

Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/stunner-georgetown-coed-sandra-fluke-is-a-30-year-old-womens-rights-activist/)

Remember Lee Atwater? Republican stategist? Enuf said.......

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This was all promoted and enacted by the same people who changed the medical term "sonogram" to a term that they felt would enrage. That's worked also.

Anything to shift focus away from the real issues. It's very clever, and it works every election cycle.

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I'm still waiting for President Obama to call Sarah Palin, her daughters, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, Condi Rice, etc. to apologize for all the nasty names they have been called.

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I'm still waiting for President Obama to call Sarah Palin, her daughters, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, Condi Rice, etc. to apologize for all the nasty names they have been called.

:clap2::clap2::clap2:

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I'm still waiting for President Obama to call Sarah Palin, her daughters, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, Condi Rice, etc. to apologize for all the nasty names they have been called.

Are you also waiting for Montana Chief Federal Judge Richard Cebull to call the president and apologize for the racist email he sent from his judicial email account? Judge Cebull was a George W Bush appointee. Instead of resigning, he apparently will wait for congress to impeach him and remove him from the bench.

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I've been away from the forum a few days while I attended a medical symposium at Ohio State! I had a wonderful time discussing and learning with the GURU's of medical imaging...ie-some extremely intelligent, logical, analytic thinkers...only to come back to the forum and the frustration of posters who don't read the posts to which they are replying, and if they do read them, their replies have nothing to do with rational responses to the material they have just read...:oops:

:shrug: Currently questioning the need/desire to continue to visit this forum, let alone post on it. Don't get me wrong...there are some great minds on this forum also! However, most posts appear to only be rotten tomatoes thrown with the emotional response usually expected from a misinformed mob. barf

Does no one care that this person was a phoney?!? Are we reduced to a nation of nit picking, tit for tat, "my scab is bigger than yours" mentality, divisive civil war lovers, who prefer to throw the baby out with the bathwater??? I never mentioned Rush, but yes he should (and apparently did) apologize! That is not the topic of this thread. Keep the diversionary tactics to hinder honest debate of truth.

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Say what you want, Rush was very very out of line and should have been shut down by the FCC.

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Say what you want, Rush was very very out of line and should have been shut down by the FCC.
But that is not the topic of this thread...With that in mind, your post could be deleted as "off topic". You truly are missing the point my friend.

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But that is not the topic of this thread...With that in mind, your post could be deleted as "off topic". You truly are missing the point my friend.

What? Are we talking about what Rush said to the young lady.

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Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist-
Jammie Wearing Fool reported:

I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.

Unreal. This was all just a big dishonest Democrat ploy to take the attention off of Barack Obama’s assault on religious freedom.
It figures.

ALL FROM THIS LINK-

Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/stunner-georgetown-coed-sandra-fluke-is-a-30-year-old-womens-rights-activist/)

I do not see this as a marketing trick for Obama's re-election. A lot of law students were activists in one way or another before they went to law school. That is why many of them later chose to get into the law. There were all kinds of various activists at the U of MN Law School. Even one very outspoken one for the rights of animals vs. their owners. She showed up in the MN media from time to time with her various pro-animal crusades.

My guess is that the majority of the law students at a school like Georgetown would have some kind of cause they are very much involved in. Especially with a school near or on the other side of the Beltway.


Do a broader Internet search on Ms. Fluke. From the various news reports I saw on her, she was always described as a more mature law student. I thought they pretty much all said either 29 or 30 years old.

There were law students at the U of MN Law School while I was there who were anywhere from 21 or through 52 or so.

Also, the first reports on various news items often get the facts wrong.

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What? Are we talking about what Rush said to the young lady.
Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist-
Jammie Wearing Fool reported:

I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.


Don't see Rush mentioned once in this original post of this thread....:shrug:

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Stunner. Georgetown “Coed” Sandra Fluke Is a 30 Year-Old Women’s Rights Activist-
Jammie Wearing Fool reported:

I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.


Don't see Rush mentioned once in this original post of this thread....:shrug:

Ya have to give respect for the lady to fight for womens rights like she does. Who if not her to protect women from the discriminating rules of the chruch.

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Ya have to give respect for the lady to fight for womens rights like she does. Who if not her to protect women from the discriminating rules of the chruch.

Why doesn't she just haul her buns to WalMart and buy her pills? Doesn't anybody budget for anything anymore? Oh right, no WalMart in Georgetown.

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What abolute proof do we have that the link in the first post was truthful? The link that was provided was from some reactionary right wing organization and I would have doubt as to the credibility of the article.

Even IF it is truthful, does that give Limbaugh the right to say things like the young lady should post videos of her having sex on the Internet?

Until I see absolute proof that the linked article was truthful, I will continue to doubt it.

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What abolute proof do we have that the link in the first post was truthful? The link that was provided was from some reactionary right wing organization and I would have doubt as to the credibility of the article.

Even IF it is truthful, does that give Limbaugh the right to say things like the young lady should post videos of her having sex on the Internet?

Until I see absolute proof that the linked article was truthful, I will continue to doubt it.

He sounded way too perverted for my taste.

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Why doesn't she just haul her buns to WalMart and buy her pills? Doesn't anybody budget for anything anymore? Oh right, no WalMart in Georgetown.

I think she may be fighting for all women that not all can fight for their rights nor afford to go to Wal-Mart.

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I think she may be fighting for all women that not all can fight for their rights nor afford to go to Wal-Mart.

Somebody already did that as evidenced by the availability of birth control on the state level for those that can't afford WalMart.
Example:

Medical Services (http://www.vdh.state.va.us/lhd/chesterfield/colonial_heights/medical.htm)

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Nobody would have ever heard of Sandra Fluke if Rush Limbaugh hadn't called her every name in the book and said he wanted to watch her having sex on the internet. By the time people go to the polls in November, they won't remember Sandra Fluke, but they will remember Rush Limbaugh's inflammatory comments.

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Nobody would have ever heard of Sandra Fluke if Rush Limbaugh hadn't called her every name in the book and said he wanted to watch her having sex on the internet. By the time people go to the polls in November, they won't remember Sandra Fluke, but they will remember Rush Limbaugh's inflammatory comments.

And who Rush supports to make his weird rules come to law.

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Nobody would have ever heard of Sandra Fluke if Rush Limbaugh hadn't called her every name in the book and said he wanted to watch her having sex on the internet. By the time people go to the polls in November, they won't remember Sandra Fluke, but they will remember Rush Limbaugh's inflammatory comments.

Is Limbaugh on the Republican ticket now?

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Is Limbaugh on the Republican ticket now?

OMG, I hope not, but some republican will be and women will remember the republicans war on women.

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Its one thing to present yourself as the everyday law student sharing a personal opinion on financial affect vis a vis a female activist intentionally pushing a political agenda. To dismiss this comparison out of hand is... well as liberals are fond of repeating "disingenious".

As I referenced in another thread I'm told that Walmart offers a 30 day supply of generic birth control for $4. If this is the case then perhaps someone might inform Nancy Pelosi and Sandra Fluke. But even if it is not taxpayers ought not to be on he hook.

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Its one thing to present yourself as the everyday law student sharing a personal opinion on financial affect vis a vis a female activist intentionally pushing a political agenda. To dismiss this comparison out of hand is... well as liberals are fond of repeating "disingenious".

As I referenced in another thread I'm told that Walmart offers a 30 day supply of generic birth control for $4. If this is the case then perhaps someone might inform Nancy Pelosi and Sandra Fluke. But even if it is not taxpayers ought not to be on he hook.

Indeed!

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This is non-issue come November.........Sarah who?

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OMG, I hope not, but some republican will be and women will remember the republicans war on women.

and cardinal dolan [and others] will make sure voters remember the democrats attack on the catholic church.

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and cardinal dolan [and others] will make sure voters remember the democrats attack on the catholic church.

I know I will remember the Democrat's abuse of power in their attack on my Church.

I hope all Catholics do likewise. It's always been taught in the parochial schools I went to that we live and fight for "God and Country". The Democrats are trying to change that to "God OR Country". It's dastardly and un-American.

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and cardinal dolan [and others] will make sure voters remember the democrats attack on the catholic church.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if catholics would just abide by the Pope's edict and stop using birth control. Then nobody would have to be concerned with who's paying for them. And the Cardinals should just tell President Obama we don't want your stinkin' federal dollars for our schools, colleges and hospitals.

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Not that it has much to do with the thread - but I have always wondered how Catholic women and men go against the Catholic church ban on birth control of any kind and I suppose during confession, they would have to confess to the priest that they have used birth control of some type. I thought the confession was only "valid" if the person would try not to do that sin again.

Does any Catholic person want to take that question? I am not trying to be a wiseguy - I am truly interested if a "repeated without trying to stop" sin is one that is forgiven by the priest.

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We wouldn't be having this conversation if catholics would just abide by the Pope's edict and stop using birth control. Then nobody would have to be concerned with who's paying for them. And the Cardinals should just tell President Obama we don't want your stinkin' federal dollars for our schools, colleges and hospitals.

That would indeed be ideal, Jan. Then you wouldn't have these women asking the church to pay for their activities that are contrary to their own religious teaching.

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That would indeed be ideal, Jan. Then you wouldn't have these women asking the church to pay for their activities that are contrary to their own religious teaching.

And think of the money that would be saved if no federal dollars went to any religious school, college, or hospital.

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....or if the Churches had to pay taxes on their donations.

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I will not blindly follow the rules of any man-made organization including the catholic church. I do not want them butting into private choices I may make. Someone already mentioned excommunication for the sinners. Total garbage.Again man-made garbage. They should really clean up their act first .

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The HHS edict mandates abortion, abortifacients and contraception. The Dems just mention the contraception part. I think people need to listen to Rush himself either live or on Podcast to hear what he really says, not what is reported by a third party like PMSNBC or the Huffington-Puffington Post. He did not so much call Fluke a slut as he said people like her were called sluts.

He said post the tapes as an example that if she wants us to pay for her pills, the American people should be able to see. He did not say he wanted to watch, quite the contrary. Her boyfriends should buy condoms, they are cheap.

A gynecologist called in and said the Ovaraian problems can and usually are treated without the pill. The drs. favorite saying, "loose weight".

Check out Rushlimbaugh.com and get what he says uncut.

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Umm.. Even if I took the caller as being a gynecologist at face value, did you not pick up, as you yourself reported "usually" treated without? This means there are situations where it IS treated that way.

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Not that it has much to do with the thread - but I have always wondered how Catholic women and men go against the Catholic church ban on birth control of any kind and I suppose during confession, they would have to confess to the priest that they have used birth control of some type. I thought the confession was only "valid" if the person would try not to do that sin again.

Does any Catholic person want to take that question? I am not trying to be a wiseguy - I am truly interested if a "repeated without trying to stop" sin is one that is forgiven by the priest.

I think the Hail Mary's required may just be increased with each violation. :confused:

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As I said before, I certainly do not take what was originally posted as the truth. Remember, the birthers had their proof that Obama is really a Kenyan Muslim - and look how that turned out for them.

Until a reliable source posts that this was a fraud, I will not believe it.

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As I said before, I certainly do not take what was originally posted as the truth. Remember, the birthers had their proof that Obama is really a Kenyan Muslim - and look how that turned out for them.

Until a reliable source posts that this was a fraud, I will not believe it.

Even if it is a fraud, this has put right wing supporters on notice that the civilized world will not tolerate this kind of hate displayed by the conservative movement.

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"Sandra Kay Fluke (born April 17, 1981) is a Georgetown University law student, American feminist activist, and an ex-employee of a nonprofit advocating for victims of domestic violence."

"Before attending Georgetown, she graduated from Cornell University in 2003 and spent five years working for Sanctuary for Families, a New York-based nonprofit aiding victims of domestic violence. While working, she launched the agency's pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. She also co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Fluke was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President's Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence.[6] While at Georgetown University Law Center, she also worked on issues that involved domestic violence and human trafficking.[7]"

"She claimed that over the three years as a law student, birth control would cost an estimated $3,000. "

Sandra Fluke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Fluke)

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Speaking as an ex-Catholic, with regards ot the 'confession' question earlier, I'd be hard pressed to figure out exactly which of the Ten Commandments I would be confessing to have broken.

I mean, so many are broken in the normal course of life for most people - taking the Lord's name in vain, not keeping the sabbath holy, coveting your neighbor's goods, etc. But I can't find one covering "going against Papal doctrine concerning brith control".

I thought about 'bearing false witness', but you're not necessarily lying to anyone about it - especially if you don't mention it at all. Stretching it even further, if you did a self-imposed ban on receiving the eucharist because of a feeling that you were not a "Catholic in Good Standing" (for going against the Pope), that's still not something that you can attribute to a Commandment.

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We wouldn't be having this conversation if catholics would just abide by the Pope's edict and stop using birth control. Then nobody would have to be concerned with who's paying for them. And the Cardinals should just tell President Obama we don't want your stinkin' federal dollars for our schools, colleges and hospitals.

janmcn - but isn't the issue about the catholic institutions providing contraceptive care for ALL - catholic and not; and the catholic church saying that it should not be forced to offer contraceptive care to ANYone? have i been confused by all the political pundits in the media?

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janmcn - but isn't the issue about the catholic institutions providing contraceptive care for ALL - catholic and not; and the catholic church saying that it should not be forced to offer contraceptive care to ANYone? have i been confused by all the political pundits in the media?

This is what confuses me too. President Obama came up with a compromise that said the church would not have to pay for contraceptive care, that insurance companies would pay. I have not heard one insurance company complain, probably because contraception is less expensive than pre-natal care or abortions.

This is the confusing part. For some reason, some in the Catholic Church said that is not good enough. They didn't want to pay for it, they don't have to pay for it, what is the argument? I know nothing about the Catholic Church, and I have no dog in the fight for birth control.

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This is what confuses me too. President Obama came up with a compromise that said the church would not have to pay for contraceptive care, that insurance companies would pay. I have not heard one insurance company complain, probably because contraception is less expensive than pre-natal care or abortions.

This is the confusing part. For some reason, some in the Catholic Church said that is not good enough. They didn't want to pay for it, they don't have to pay for it, what is the argument? I know nothing about the Catholic Church, and I have no dog in the fight for birth control.

The Church "not paying" is a sham. If it's part of the medical coverage, the Church is providing it regardless of the semantics. The Church cannot be made to provide it against the tenets of their religion and their faith.

The compromise is a lie.

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This is what confuses me too. President Obama came up with a compromise that said the church would not have to pay for contraceptive care, that insurance companies would pay. I have not heard one insurance company complain, probably because contraception is less expensive than pre-natal care or abortions.

This is the confusing part. For some reason, some in the Catholic Church said that is not good enough. They didn't want to pay for it, they don't have to pay for it, what is the argument? I know nothing about the Catholic Church, and I have no dog in the fight for birth control.

thanx for the response, janmcn; i think we are on the same page...and the next bruhaha was that if ins cos had to pay the freight and provide the covg, the church and any other employer would likely see a rise in their cost for the ins premium since the ins cos were not likely to just donate this portion of coverage...and NO one wants to pay more for ins covg these days!

so, indeed, if the prob is as we understand it do be...how on earth did this get turned into an attack on women/women's health/reproductive rights and create a production such as the op presented? no one is denying women that right...they just have to pay for it...kind of like a user fee. ;)