Anyone else see the 60 Minutes segment last night...

[Guest]

... on the scandal of the Irish Catholic Church and pedophile priests?

It sounded like someone high up the Catholic political ladder-- Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin-- had exposed the cover up of about 19 pedophile priests actions. This person took on the Vatican to push the matter out into the open.

Some of the Vatican's cover up actions dated only as far back as three years.

It also sounded like the Catholic Church in Ireland anyway is really hurting in finding new priests as well as its losing parishioners left and right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Irel and

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/03/diarmuid-martin-irish-catholicism-vatican

[Guest]

... on the scandal of the Irish Catholic Church and pedophile priests?

It sounded like someone high up the Catholic political ladder-- Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin-- had exposed the cover up of about 19 pedophile priests actions. This person took on the Vatican to push the matter out into the open.

Some of the Vatican's cover up actions dated only as far back as three years.

It also sounded like the Catholic Church in Ireland anyway is really hurting in finding new priests as well as its losing parishioners left and right.

Roman Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal in Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Irel and)

Diarmuid Martin claims Irish Catholicism at 'breaking point' | World news | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/03/diarmuid-martin-irish-catholicism-vatican)

Can they be fined or imprisoned for that?

[Guest]

Can they be fined or imprisoned for that?

Not sure about the people doing the cover up. It sure looks though like a lot of Catholics are leaving the Church in Ireland probably more because of the cover up than the actions of these priests. The 60 Minutes segment said that some Catholic Churches in Ireland are down to 2% of the congregation lists.

That is something I have never really understood. The vow of celibacy in the Catholic Church. It seems to go against a very important human need for intimacy with another person.

Still remember St. Augustine's line about chastity. It goes like this-- please God let me be chaste, but just not yet.

From the original-- "Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet" (da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo).

[Guest]

Can they be fined or imprisoned for that?

The rather lengthy Wikipedia article and its many related articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Irel and does go into efforts to prosecute the pedophile priests as well as recommendations to stop the cover ups. It looks like a very sad and very long story.

The 60 Minutes piece last night did have the Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin saying that people were the solution to this problem. That seems right to me too with more people watching out for one another as well as their having access to information about laws, victimology, defendants' rights, rehabiliation, drugs covering sexual desires, etc. The Internet is also a wonderful tool for this kind of research and the like.

[Guest]

I wonder why some things presented by the media is taken as gospel (yes, pun intended) and for other subjects the media is labeled not a worthy source?

btk

[Guest]

I caught the piece completely by accident and I actually had a tear in my eye when Archbishop Martin was relating his experiences.

Richie wants to know why I keep blasting the Catholic Church - well I hope he's sitting down when I say God Bless this man. If there were more like him on these shores, maybe there would have been fewer victims. The Church needs more men like him instead of... No. I'll stop there. I would rather praise Martin than get dragged down relating my opinions of others that everyone here already knows.

[Guest]

I wonder why some things presented by the media is taken as gospel (yes, pun intended) and for other subjects the media is labeled not a worthy source?

btk

Most of the time 60 Minutes is a very reliable source. Personally, I often found Andy Rooney more irritating than funny, but that is just my opinion.

There are a lot of media sources though that you should just follow the money to see what kind of spin they are putting on things.

I am not sure I have ever really seen anything "fair and balanced" on Fox News for instance. On the other side, you do see a lot of liberal bias in various other newspapers and news shows.


One example for which there should be a very interesting HBO movie coming out on Saturday, March 10, 2012 is Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin IMHO did not get fair treatment by many media sources but then again it kind of looked like just a marketing trick to put her into that kind of dog fight in the first place. She did seem to do a pretty good job even if she was no match for the other dogs in the pit.

[Guest]

Accordidng to a review in yesterday's paper, there is a segment where McCain's advisors (who were briefing Palin) came to the realization that she didn't know what side Germany was on during the war. Also, she didn't know what NAFTA was.

She wasn't vetted at all.

[Guest]

Accordidng to a review in yesterday's paper, there is a segment where McCain's advisors (who were briefing Palin) came to the realization that she didn't know what side Germany was on during the war. Also, she didn't know what NAFTA was.

She wasn't vetted at all.

She seems like a doer rather than a thinker.