Obama and "The Love Song of Saul Alinsky"

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In 1998 Barack H. Obama attended a play in Chicago called "The Love Song of Saul Alinsky". There's more; he also participated win a panel discussion after the play concluded.

As reported in the New American, this panel consisted of:

Barack H. Obama: Chicago community organizer.

Leon Despres: Despres an Alinsky confidant for many years. Together, he and Alinsky founded the concept of "community organizing." He was intimate with the Communist Party front, and worked with Soviet spy Lee Pressman to support workers in a riot at Republican Steel in Chicago. Also Despres and his wife provided Leon Trotsky, the Marxist revolutionary and founder of the Red Army — with a suitcase of "clothing" in 1937.

Quentin Young: For over 20 years Young was an key member of the Communist Party front organization. A close friend and Obama's personal doctor, Mr. Young is known to have helped shape the President’s stance on healthcare policy.

Roberta Lynch: Lynch was a key member of the Democratic Socialists of America, and a leader of the Marxist New American Movement which is a radical socialist and feminist organization that was founded on communist principle.

Timuel Black: Black was said to be a member of the Communist Party, and had a prominent place in the Socialist Party in the 1950s. He was an editor to the Hyde Park/Kenwood Voices, a magazine run by Communist Party member David Canter. Timuel Black revealed that he had been friends with domestic terrorists Bernardine Dohrn and William Ayers, "going back to 1968, since long before I knew Barack."

A fine list of people above, don't you think?

I think this is one of the most revealing things about our "record's sealed" President yet. If one is judged by his friends and the company he keeps, this is a good indication.

Chicago writer Michael Miner is defending Obama's attendance at this play and his participation in the discussion panel afterwards, but as even Miner noted, "Obama did not merely attend the play; he was featured on the poster and in the panel discussion that followed."

So, if the play’s so harmless, why are Obama’s allies hiding it?

Why not release the video tape?

There's more to come, but you might like to read these three articles on this revelation.

Obama Attended 1998 Play Called "The Love Song of Saul Alinsky" (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/11103-obama-attended-1998-play-called-qthe-love-song-of-saul-alinskyq)

Obama Ally Won't Release Alinsky Tape (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/05/obama-ally-hiding-alinsky-tape)

Saul Alinsky, poster child | Michael Miner on Media | Chicago Reader (http://www.chicagoreader.com/gyrobase/the-connection-between-obama-and-saul-alinsky/Content?oid=5593347&showFullText=true)

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I resent these tactics by the followers of Stupidski. :rant-rave:

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I resent these tactics by the followers of Stupidski. :rant-rave:

I think TOTV should institute a minimum age requirement. No first graders would be a good start.

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So what? What is the point of this thread? The entire thread is totally meaningless.

Another "con" job by a con.

Obama is President of The United States. He is bringing our economy back from the edge - driven there, by the way by "compassionate cons".

Bin Laden is history. Al Queada has been weakened (all without issuing orange or yellow alerts every other weekend - a favorite ploy of the compassionate cons).

Obama easily beats every con elephant running.

And all you cons got is some play in 1998 or 1999?

In the words of Ricky Sanitarium - time for the cons to take one for the team.

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Me thinks the lefties hate conservatives more than they actually love their country. No other way to explain the blind support for such a miserable failure of a president.

No matter what the man child does or doesn't do they will bow at his feet.

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Me thinks the lefties hate conservatives more than they actually love their country. No other way to explain the blind support for such a miserable failure of a president.

No matter what the man child does or doesn't do they will bow at his feet.

There's more coming it seems, and I will report it all. Our President nourished at the teat of communist activists is just beginning to have his "records sealed" life revealed.

It may open some eyes.

Mine have been open for a long time now.

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I think TOTV should institute a minimum age requirement. No first graders would be a good start.

Now, that's a good idea.

You know none of the children have read anything except a wee bit of what I posted, and yet have their opinions

All I hear is whining.

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Let me ask one simple question. Obama called Bush irresponsible and unpatriotic for adding six trillion to our debt over eight years. Obama then adds five more trillion in only three years and the libs cheer him on. How do they justify their blind support for such a lying hypocrit?

There's only one answer. They want to turn their lives over to the state and at the same time want to force us to do the same.

Obama has all kinds of disturbing facts in his closet and they will still defend him no matter what. Why? Because their religion is hating conservatives and nothing else matters... Even America.

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I think TOTV should institute a minimum age requirement. No first graders would be a good start.

I've always said I'm growing older but not up. That a lot better than just getting tired. :icon_wink:

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Me thinks the lefties hate conservatives more than they actually love their country. No other way to explain the blind support for such a miserable failure of a president.

No matter what the man child does or doesn't do they will bow at his feet.





Probably what we (lefties as your call us) find curious (not hate - we leave that to the cons) is after all that we as a nation have been through, and are going though, all you cons have is Obama attended some play back in 1998 !!
Attended a play in 1998 !!!!!!!!!!

Is that all you have?

What's the matter, is the birth certificate thing losing steam? Or are you cons waiting for the Koch Brothers to give you your next talking point?

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No, that's not all we have. Just look at the damage he's doing to the United States... Libs can't see that... or don't care.

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No, that's not all we have. Just look at the damage he's doing to the United States... Libs can't see that... or don't care.

Obama's communist links are going to start to be worrisome as more and more come out.

The lefties are whining already.

There's evidence that our "records sealed" President had some interesting activities in his college years.

Stay posted.

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They don't care. Being mad at Rush makes the Obama disaster all worth while.

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coralway, i don't understand why it seems perfectly all right with you that obama hung around with and was inspired by communists. it seems that many more people than i ever imagined think that communism is just fine. this explains the marginalizing of religious institutions we are witnessing now.
are you denying his communist ties or are you just saying that communism is a good thing for our country?

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In 1998 Barack H. Obama attended a play in Chicago called "The Love Song of Saul Alinsky". There's more; he also participated win a panel discussion after the play concluded.

As reported in the New American, this panel consisted of:

Barack H. Obama: Chicago community organizer.

Leon Despres: Despres an Alinsky confidant for many years. Together, he and Alinsky founded the concept of "community organizing." He was intimate with the Communist Party front, and worked with Soviet spy Lee Pressman to support workers in a riot at Republican Steel in Chicago. Also Despres and his wife provided Leon Trotsky, the Marxist revolutionary and founder of the Red Army — with a suitcase of "clothing" in 1937.

Quentin Young: For over 20 years Young was an key member of the Communist Party front organization. A close friend and Obama's personal doctor, Mr. Young is known to have helped shape the President’s stance on healthcare policy.

Roberta Lynch: Lynch was a key member of the Democratic Socialists of America, and a leader of the Marxist New American Movement which is a radical socialist and feminist organization that was founded on communist principle.

Timuel Black: Black was said to be a member of the Communist Party, and had a prominent place in the Socialist Party in the 1950s. He was an editor to the Hyde Park/Kenwood Voices, a magazine run by Communist Party member David Canter. Timuel Black revealed that he had been friends with domestic terrorists Bernardine Dohrn and William Ayers, "going back to 1968, since long before I knew Barack."

A fine list of people above, don't you think?

I think this is one of the most revealing things about our "record's sealed" President yet. If one is judged by his friends and the company he keeps, this is a good indication.

Chicago writer Michael Miner is defending Obama's attendance at this play and his participation in the discussion panel afterwards, but as even Miner noted, "Obama did not merely attend the play; he was featured on the poster and in the panel discussion that followed."

So, if the play’s so harmless, why are Obama’s allies hiding it?

Why not release the video tape?

There's more to come, but you might like to read these three articles on this revelation.

Obama Attended 1998 Play Called "The Love Song of Saul Alinsky" (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/11103-obama-attended-1998-play-called-qthe-love-song-of-saul-alinskyq)

Obama Ally Won't Release Alinsky Tape (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/05/obama-ally-hiding-alinsky-tape)

Saul Alinsky, poster child | Michael Miner on Media | Chicago Reader (http://www.chicagoreader.com/gyrobase/the-connection-between-obama-and-saul-alinsky/Content?oid=5593347&showFullText=true)

My guess is that a lot of community organizers are familiar with various Marxist and communist writers and artists works. That does not make them communists, socialists, etc.

I wonder if anyone here can give a good definition of Marxism, socialism, and communism.

What will the Republican smear campaign followers pull out of their hats next? That Barack Obama checked out Marx's writings from the Chicago Public Library??

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Personall I prefer "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock". :(

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Would not it be nice to see how President Obama paid for his education? Might it have been with a grant to a foreign student? Interesting that none of this is public knowledge. But then again, what does the United States Constitution matter when the President, in his own book, stated that his "father" was not a US citizen when he was born. He will be re-elected, as it does not matter any more who votes for whom, all that matters is who "counts" the votes. The US is on a fast track to be coming a third world country.

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Would not it be nice to see how President Obama paid for his education? Might it have been with a grant to a foreign student? Interesting that none of this is public knowledge. But then again, what does the United States Constitution matter when the President, in his own book, stated that his "father" was not a US citizen when he was born. He will be re-elected, as it does not matter any more who votes for whom, all that matters is who "counts" the votes. The US is on a fast track to be coming a third world country.

Not sure where you are going with this??

Do you expect another "hanging chad" like fiasco?? That would probably mean a very close election in some crucial voting district??

As to sealed documents, if there were something actually there, that some clever hacker, Fox News investigator, rival political candidate, or just someone trying to make a buck by leaking information, would not have found it??

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My guess is that a lot of community organizers are familiar with various Marxist and communist writers and artists works. That does not make them communists, socialists, etc.

I wonder if anyone here can give a good definition of Marxism, socialism, and communism.

What will the Republican smear campaign followers pull out of their hats next? That Barack Obama checked out Marx's writings from the Chicago Public Library??

Smear campaign??......that's what you'd call this?? This is a true event, and he was not only "familiar" with it but an active participant in this production and discussion panel at the play's conclusion.

This is just a little peek into who this man is. This man with his unbelievable "records sealed" life.

It tells you a lot about a man to know how his growth was nurtured.

Sorry if this tarnishes the gloss on the pedestal the leftists have put him on.

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Personall I prefer "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock". :(

Losing it:D (I figured I'll join you in your odd little world for a second)

although as T.S. Elliot reference is rather interesting, if irrelevant.

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Smear campaign??......that's what you'd call this?? This is a true event, and he was not only "familiar" with it but an active participant in this production and discussion panel at the play's conclusion.

This is just a little peek into who this man is. This man with his unbelievable "records sealed" life.

It tells you a lot about a man to know how his growth was nurtured.

Sorry if this tarnishes the gloss on the pedestal the leftists have put him on.

Maybe, you should look at a certain Wisconsin Senator's legacy. Just because you took part in some play back in your student days, or whatever, does not make you an actor.

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Back when I was in college, our playwriting class went to a production of "Hair". There was a panel discussion afterward and I was on that panel.
Because I was on a panel discussion of "Hair" does that make me a anti-war activist, a pro-hippie activist, and someone who wants to go naked in public?

To all the Dumplicans who posted their criticism of our President, I say "Balderdash".

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it is a far cry from attending a play to having your personal physician be a known communist and letting him influence your stand on a national health policy! it amazes me how reluctant so many are to even consider that there is something rotten in all this....

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it is a far cry from attending a play to having your personal physician be a known communist and letting him influence your stand on a national health policy! it amazes me how reluctant so many are to even consider that there is something rotten in all this....

Again what is wrong with having a friend with some interest in communism? That does not make Obama nor the personal physician a communist. The last I looked communism is dead in just about every country in the world. Cuba, maybe?? Even that is debatable.

China. Debatable.

North Korea. That looks like a fascist state to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

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Losing it:D (I figured I'll join you in your odd little world for a second)

although as T.S. Elliot reference is rather interesting, if irrelevant.

That's the point Richie. 99.9% of what is posted here is irrelevent. :kiss:

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Maybe, you should look at a certain Wisconsin Senator's legacy. Just because you took part in some play back in your student days, or whatever, does not make you an actor.

Which Wisconsin Senator is destroying my formerly free country?

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Back when I was in college, our playwriting class went to a production of "Hair". There was a panel discussion afterward and I was on that panel.
Because I was on a panel discussion of "Hair" does that make me a anti-war activist, a pro-hippie activist, and someone who wants to go naked in public?

To all the Dumplicans who posted their criticism of our President, I say "Balderdash".

:1rotfl::1rotfl:I don't know about the "naked" thing, but you practically are all of those things, so I guess you've proved my point in a way I never could have hoped for. You really are a good friend. Thanks Buggy:1rotfl::1rotfl:

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Which Wisconsin Senator is destroying my formerly free country?

It is a historical Wisconsin Senator who threw the "communist" label around as well. Except, this was when there was a very real threat from many communist countries.

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That's the point Richie. 99.9% of what is posted here is irrelevent. :kiss:

Constant fawning over this President if funny to me. Talk about mind-numbed robots.

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It is a historical Wisconsin Senator who threw the "communist" label around as well. Except, this was when there was a very real threat from many communist countries.

I was thinking of now and not so many yesterdays ago. That Senator that you speak of has had much vindication on review. He was right about much of what he spoke, so maybe I'll take your post as a compliment.

Obama's virtually unknown past is starting to be revealed. Don't get upset, just relax and be witness to it.

I know none of this will be in the national media as they are as protective of Obama as you are, but the news won't be contained.

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Constant fawning over this President if funny to me. Talk about mind-numbed robots.

Beep, Beep. :grumpy:

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I was thinking of now and not so many yesterdays ago. That Senator that you speak of has had much vindication on review. He was right about much of what he spoke, so maybe I'll take your post as a compliment.

Obama's virtually unknown past is starting to be revealed. Don't get upset, just relax and be witness to it.

I know none of this will be in the national media as they are as protective of Obama as you are, but the news won't be contained.

Perhaps, they are trivial items from Obama's past. He seems to be one of the Presidents whose past is the most accessible to even a mediocre researcher. Now, the Bush who was the Director of the CIA; there is someone whose past probably will not be uncovered for 50 years or more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_Central_Intelligence

I suppose that Senator Joe McCarthy did a little bit of good; but also a great deal of bad. If you have Ann Coulter rewriting the history of the McCarthy era, then the picture of the person being portrayed is going to be very different from the writings of more objective scholars. http://hnn.us/articles/1554.html

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Wrrrrrrrrrr. Beep. :grumpy:

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Perhaps, they are trivial items from Obama's past. He seems to be one of the Presidents whose past is the most accessible to even a mediocre researcher.[/url]

Seriously??...........we know almost nothing about this President with his previous life a maze of "records sealed". This is the most secretive life I've ever seen.

That's why I sincerely believe he's got plenty to hide. I'd like to know what.

We starting to get a glimpse into his past now. With this and with the reveal of formerly inaccessible video footage from his college years.

I would think even his supporters should be interested in this.

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Seriously??...........we know almost nothing about this President with his previous life a maze of "records sealed". This is the most secretive life I've ever seen.

That's why I sincerely believe he's got plenty to hide. I'd like to know what.

We starting to get a glimpse into his past now. With this and with the reveal of formerly inaccessible video footage from his college years.

I would think even his supporters should be interested in this.



What exactly do you mean about "records sealed". There are privacy laws for a reason. There are some things that would be off limits like medical records, maybe some grades, some juvenile schools records, etc.


What are the holes you are pointing at in this Wikipedia article?-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

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Privacy laws didn't stop President Obama from getting divorce records "unsealed" of two of his opponents, in Chicago.

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Privacy laws didn't stop President Obama from getting divorce records "unsealed" of two of his opponents, in Chicago.

Do you have some source for this???

If you mean Jack Ryan, then you have your facts wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician) It looks like that was a newspaper and a radio station that lead the campaign to unseal the divorce records. Ugly politics, yes. But, it does not look like Obama was involved at all. His staffers might have made mistakes in this though.

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Ok. He didn't personally go to the court house. His minions took care of it. When he ran for state senate he was able to get all three of his opponents knocked off the ballot. You're right. Chicago politics.

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Ok. He didn't personally go to the court house. His minions took care of it. When he ran for state senate he was able to get all three of his opponents knocked off the ballot. You're right. Chicago politics.

The divorce though involving the Ryans looks like it was in Los Angeles.

This just looks like more character assassination attempts with very poorly laid out facts.

Can you give some source for the Illinois State Senate opponents???

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In 1998 Barack H. Obama attended a play in Chicago called "The Love Song of Saul Alinsky". There's more; he also participated win a panel discussion after the play concluded.

As reported in the New American, this panel consisted of:

Barack H. Obama: Chicago community organizer.

Leon Despres: Despres an Alinsky confidant for many years. Together, he and Alinsky founded the concept of "community organizing." He was intimate with the Communist Party front, and worked with Soviet spy Lee Pressman to support workers in a riot at Republican Steel in Chicago. Also Despres and his wife provided Leon Trotsky, the Marxist revolutionary and founder of the Red Army — with a suitcase of "clothing" in 1937.

Quentin Young: For over 20 years Young was an key member of the Communist Party front organization. A close friend and Obama's personal doctor, Mr. Young is known to have helped shape the President’s stance on healthcare policy.

Roberta Lynch: Lynch was a key member of the Democratic Socialists of America, and a leader of the Marxist New American Movement which is a radical socialist and feminist organization that was founded on communist principle.

Timuel Black: Black was said to be a member of the Communist Party, and had a prominent place in the Socialist Party in the 1950s. He was an editor to the Hyde Park/Kenwood Voices, a magazine run by Communist Party member David Canter. Timuel Black revealed that he had been friends with domestic terrorists Bernardine Dohrn and William Ayers, "going back to 1968, since long before I knew Barack."

A fine list of people above, don't you think?

I think this is one of the most revealing things about our "record's sealed" President yet. If one is judged by his friends and the company he keeps, this is a good indication.

Chicago writer Michael Miner is defending Obama's attendance at this play and his participation in the discussion panel afterwards, but as even Miner noted, "Obama did not merely attend the play; he was featured on the poster and in the panel discussion that followed."

So, if the play’s so harmless, why are Obama’s allies hiding it?

Why not release the video tape?

There's more to come, but you might like to read these three articles on this revelation.

Obama Attended 1998 Play Called "The Love Song of Saul Alinsky" (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/11103-obama-attended-1998-play-called-qthe-love-song-of-saul-alinskyq)

Obama Ally Won't Release Alinsky Tape (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/05/obama-ally-hiding-alinsky-tape)

Saul Alinsky, poster child | Michael Miner on Media | Chicago Reader (http://www.chicagoreader.com/gyrobase/the-connection-between-obama-and-saul-alinsky/Content?oid=5593347&showFullText=true)

Richie, where have you been for the past four or five years? ;-) Read Obama's books, listen to what he says, look at the people he surrounds himself with now; not just in his younger, formative years. It isn't anything new or something that needs additional documentation. The man is a Progressive with a mindset to fundamentally change America and interpret the US Constitution to his agenda.

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Ok. He didn't personally go to the court house. His minions took care of it. When he ran for state senate he was able to get all three of his opponents knocked off the ballot. You're right. Chicago politics.

Not sure if there is anything here with the Illinois State Senate race. Cannot see why there would be anything other than the rival candidates not getting enough signatures to be put on the ballot. Illinois Senate elections of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Senate_elections_of_Barack_Obama)

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Richie, where have you been for the past four or five years? ;-) Read Obama's books, listen to what he says, look at the people he surrounds himself with now; not just in his younger, formative years. It isn't anything new or something that needs additional documentation. The man is a Progressive with a mindset to fundamentally change America and interpret the US Constitution to his agenda.

Selective posting....

THANKS BKCUNNINGHAM....

Tried to get folks attention on this board in 2008 about this guys background and how he has conned folks for years and years.

BK is right on....READ HIS BOOKS..they dont even jive up with facts.

I supplied many many links on here and was called all kind of names...even worse than Limbaugh's choice.....I was overreacting, etc.

The President is NOT what he appears to be...he is a player of the greatest magnitude and I might add talent...he is good at it.

Can you imagine Romney, Gingerich or Santorium having the associations this guy has had in his past ? Can you imagine any of them having a pastor like Wright as a MENTOR ? None of whatever he does makes the mainstream media YET, they dissect any slip ups from the right no matter how minor.

I feel much better posting now, since it appears after the Limbaugh thing thing and the release of the Maher comments.....it is now considered ok to call anyone, including the President anything we want since Maher was crude and actually filthy referring to a sitting senator, a governor and candidate for VP.

Thanks again BK CUNNINGHAM

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Selective posting....

THANKS BKCUNNINGHAM....

Tried to get folks attention on this board in 2008 about this guys background and how he has conned folks for years and years.

BK is right on....READ HIS BOOKS..they dont even jive up with facts.

I supplied many many links on here and was called all kind of names...even worse than Limbaugh's choice.....I was overreacting, etc.

The President is NOT what he appears to be...he is a player of the greatest magnitude and I might add talent...he is good at it.

Can you imagine Romney, Gingerich or Santorium having the associations this guy has had in his past ? Can you imagine any of them having a pastor like Wright as a MENTOR ? None of whatever he does makes the mainstream media YET, they dissect any slip ups from the right no matter how minor.

I feel much better posting now, since it appears after the Limbaugh thing thing and the release of the Maher comments.....it is now considered ok to call anyone, including the President anything we want since Maher was crude and actually filthy referring to a sitting senator, a governor and candidate for VP.

Thanks again BK CUNNINGHAM

If you can back it up, BK CUNNINGHAM. There are a lot of things you cannot say about a public figure without it being libelous. They have some protections.

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If you can back it up, BK CUNNINGHAM. There are a lot of things you cannot say about a public figure without it being libelous. They have some protections.

Can you call a sitting US senator....."Boobs" ?

Can you call a candidate for VP........"expletive deleted" ?

Be specific.....candidates for Rep presidential have been called by various names, character questioned, etc.......can that be done ?

Dont speak in generalities.....the above seemed to be welcome for some posters on here...you ok with them ? Does the R or D after the name make a difference ?

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You have been saying it for years, Bucco. You are right about what the media would do if any of the current Republican candidates had associates or agendas that mirrored Obama's. Admiration by the Progressives of the radical activist Saul Alinsky isn't news. Even Hillary Clinton's senior thesis on Alinsky is a well known fact. They are proud of their views and openly tout their beliefs and their desires to change and control America.

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Can you call a sitting US senator....."Boobs" ?

Can you call a candidate for VP........"expletive deleted" ?

Be specific.....candidates for Rep presidential have been called by various names, character questioned, etc.......can that be done ?

Dont speak in generalities.....the above seemed to be welcome for some posters on here...you ok with them ? Does the R or D after the name make a difference ?

You can certainly call seated politicians any name you want to.

I would think that you cannot accuse them of criminal wrongdoing without a very good reason; nor question their mental or physical health without some grounds; nor accuse them of child abuse; nor accuse them of cheating on their spouses; etc.

This link seems to be especially relevant about what posters on the Internet can write:

http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/12827


Some other links:
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html

http://www.writing-world.com/rights/libel.shtml

http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm

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What part do you want documented, @Taltarzac725?

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You have been saying it for years, Bucco. You are right about what the media would do if any of the current Republican candidates had associates or agendas that mirrored Obama's. Admiration by the Progressives of the radical activist Saul Alinsky isn't news. Even Hillary Clinton's senior thesis on Alinsky is a well known fact. They are proud of their views and openly tout their beliefs and their desires to change and control America.

And yet, because of love of party, the beat goes on.

I keep thinking of this man, President Obama, saying with a straight face how the health care battle would be aired publicy and how warm a reception that got...how it had to be done in public because that was the right thing to do. I recall him saying that the health care discussion HAD to be about reducing health care costs.

I also recall the debate being held in back rooms, including payoffs to get the votes, and then the media just accepting that. I recall and KNOW that the current health care bill DOES NOT ADDRESS THE COST OF HEALTH CARE AT ALL, yet he still gets a pass from the media.

Allow him to continue and allow Chris Matthews (is he still considered in the media) to keep the tingles up his leg and see where our country is.

The MSM has got to be beaten in addition to the Democrats.

And do not give me any grief on Fox...sick of it. It is, and will be, the mantra of the left with absolutely no justification...I dont watch it but listen to the comments on here and NEVER ONCE saw any bias....on the other hand, listen to the commericals on MSNBC.....if they are not paid by the DNC....oh wait.....Soros will do that and we all know his goals, dont we ?

If it were not for Fox, consider what is left...so even if they lean right, they are vital !

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What part do you want documented, @Taltarzac725?

I have not actually read any of Obama's books. How do they not "jive up with the facts"?

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Drums keep pounding rythm to the brain....la de da de de..la de da de dum. :grumpy:

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I have not actually read any of Obama's books. How do they not "jive up with the facts"?

I'm not sure what Bucco meant doesn't jive in Obama's books, Taltarzac, except for things like the Life or "Ebony" magazine article and photos that Obama wrote about in his book Dreams of My Father. In the book, Obama said photos of a black man who had used chemicals to peel his skin to look like a white man left a lasting impression on him. No such article exists.

Bucco may also be referring to how Obama "vehemetly condemns" and disassociated himself and his family with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright - the pastor who gave Obama the name for one of his books and baptised his children and pastored the church anti-white Obama attended for some 25 years. Obama said he'd never heard or read Wright's hate-filled comments or the sermons his church upholds.

There may be other things Bucco is referring to that are lies in Obama's books. These are just the ones that came to my mind.

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What exactly do you mean about "records sealed". There are privacy laws for a reason. There are some things that would be off limits like medical records, maybe some grades, some juvenile schools records, etc.


What are the holes you are pointing at in this Wikipedia article?-- Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)

I rarely look to Wiki for accuracy and no serious researcher does, and I certainly will not take the time to fact check them.

If you don't know what I mean by "records sealed" you haven't been paying attention.

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Privacy laws didn't stop President Obama from getting divorce records "unsealed" of two of his opponents, in Chicago.

Seriously......typical leftist hypocrisy.

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I'm not sure what Bucco meant doesn't jive in Obama's books, Taltarzac, except for things like the Life or "Ebony" magazine article and photos that Obama wrote about in his book Dreams of My Father. In the book, Obama said photos of a black man who had used chemicals to peel his skin to look like a white man left a lasting impression on him. No such article exists.

Bucco may also be referring to how Obama "vehemetly condemns" and disassociated himself and his family with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright - the pastor who gave Obama the name for one of his books and baptised his children and pastored the church anti-white Obama attended for some 25 years. Obama said he'd never heard or read Wright's hate-filled comments or the sermons his church upholds.

There may be other things Bucco is referring to that are lies in Obama's books. These are just the ones that came to my mind.

Actually, the Jeremiah Wright stuff just boggles my mind that the media just accepted what he said...NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY should be able to get away with that.

I am embarassed to tell you that the differences were minor, and I said that in 2008, but strikes me as odd, first of all that a man of his age would write about himself at the young age he did and how a man that age could make ANY mistakes.....but they were minor and I will search my archives to get the links I provided a few years ago.

I might add that I just completed "JOBS", the biography of Steve Jobs and he was a bit critical of Obama.....he told the President that he would be a one term president based on making no efforts to stop how easy it was for companies like Apple to open shop in China and that his advocating the unions should stop because they were crippling us, including any chance at all of any education reform.

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Richie, where have you been for the past four or five years? ;-) Read Obama's books, listen to what he says, look at the people he surrounds himself with now; not just in his younger, formative years. It isn't anything new or something that needs additional documentation. The man is a Progressive with a mindset to fundamentally change America and interpret the US Constitution to his agenda.

Nobody cares about that BK. This is a bit more flashy and "in your face". People need instant gratification. Read??...you think these people read?..... have you been seeing these liberal posts?

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I rarely look to Wiki for accuracy and no serious researcher does, and I certainly will not take the time to fact check them.

If you don't know what I mean by "records sealed" you haven't been paying attention.

As I know you are aware of RICHIE, I would suggest, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO MADE AN ISSUE OF PRESIDENT BUSH'S GRADES to try and find any of the Presidents grades at Harvard...you wont..he sealed them...and his SAT's also.

PS...I might add that the issue is NOT whether he was a good or bad student....simply how his entire life is shrouded with shadows. Does not mean he is a criminal or anything....just WHY all the secrecy and shadows ? He did know some people but when it comes out if politically unfavorable, he really didnt know them.....Rev Wright was his mentor, the man he looked up to...then when it became not politically expediant, he hardly knew the man...never heard any of the stuff.

AND MOST IMPORTANT...our media just simply accepts it...TOTALLY

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And just what will his grades or his SAT scores prove? My guess is that he got good grades and that he's an intelligent invidual. Ooooooh....that is scare stuff isnt' it? :grumpy:

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And just what will his grades or his SAT scores prove? My guess is that he got good grades and that he's an intelligent invidual. Ooooooh....that is scare stuff isnt' it? :grumpy:


It is part of the overall ....not sure what to call it.....seal the grades, the video last night was not only hidden but edited, dont allow anyone to question some figures from the past and on and on....it is part of what has been the making of a President, and my personal objection is that NOBODY could get away with as much "hidden secrets" as he has with absolutely no backlash.

Imagine we find out that you cannot get to Romneys background..not all of it, just little things like past associations, his church life, his actual beliefs, a mentor who preaches Wright teaches, a video surfaces and it is edited and hidden from view. What can you imagine the press might do with that ?

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If there is nothing to hide, why give the appearance of something inappropriate, Dale? Why be secretive yet talk about openness? It just makes fodder for people to say that perhaps his grades weren't up to par, he was registered as a foreign student or he received a scholarship from someone else associated with Alinsky.

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If there is nothing to hide, why give the appearance of something inappropriate, Dale? Why be secretive yet talk about openness? It just makes fodder for people to say that perhaps his grades weren't up to par, he was registered as a foreign student or he received a scholarship from someone else associated with Alinsky.

Here are the known facts: President Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University. While attending Harvard, he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. Sounds a lot like "his grades weren't up to par".

How did that whole investigation of George W Bush's grades at Yale work out? The only accomplishment I ever heard about his undergrad days was that he was a cheerleader.

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If there is nothing to hide, why give the appearance of something inappropriate, Dale? Why be secretive yet talk about openness? It just makes fodder for people to say that perhaps his grades weren't up to par, he was registered as a foreign student or he received a scholarship from someone else associated with Alinsky.

Two reasons to withhold. 1. the right wingnuts want the info, and 2. it's irrelevent. Thats' easy enough. :grumpy:

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Here are the known facts: President Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University. While attending Harvard, he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. Sounds a lot like "his grades weren't up to par".

How did that whole investigation of George W Bush's grades at Yale work out? The only accomplishment I ever heard about his undergrad days was that he was a cheerleader.

Bush has his grades readily available on the net along with his college admission tests. AND I remind you that you have been reading "press" on Obama grades.....there IS NO TRANSCRIPT..NO RECORD...they have been sealed and that is public knowledge.

And why only comment on the grades...how about all the other murky shadowy secrets ? How bout the relationship with Wright,the hidden and edited video.....and WHY did the birth certificate thing even take place ?
What was his relationship with Rezko, Ayers, etc. Why are not and have not these relationships been made clear when others must go into their worst past secrets ?

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Because the King has decreed it will not be done.

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Bush has his grades readily available on the net along with his college admission tests. AND I remind you that you have been reading "press" on Obama grades.....there IS NO TRANSCRIPT..NO RECORD...they have been sealed and that is public knowledge.

And why only comment on the grades...how about all the other murky shadowy secrets ? How bout the relationship with Wright,the hidden and edited video.....and WHY did the birth certificate thing even take place ?
What was his relationship with Rezko, Ayers, etc. Why are not and have not these relationships been made clear when others must go into their worst past secrets ?

Please post a link to Bush's grades and college admission tests. Do you also have a link to Bush's military records?

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Please post a link to Bush's grades and college admission tests. Do you also have a link to Bush's military records?

For what reason, Bush as not been President for 3 years, that is 36 months of no Bush, and 36 plus months of Obama. Time to stop blaming Bush for everything and time for Obama to take responsibility for the current mess that we are in. For the first two years that Obama was president, he had a Demo congress, house and senate, and should have been able to pass and do whatever he wanted.

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Please post a link to Bush's grades and college admission tests. Do you also have a link to Bush's military records?

Bush/Gore Grades and SAT Scores (http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html)


http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm

From now on, please do your own research

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It is part of the overall ....not sure what to call it.....seal the grades, the video last night was not only hidden but edited, dont allow anyone to question some figures from the past and on and on....it is part of what has been the making of a President, and my personal objection is that NOBODY could get away with as much "hidden secrets" as he has with absolutely no backlash.

Imagine we find out that you cannot get to Romneys background..not all of it, just little things like past associations, his church life, his actual beliefs, a mentor who preaches Wright teaches, a video surfaces and it is edited and hidden from view. What can you imagine the press might do with that ?

Why won't Mitt Romney release more than one year's tax return? In 2008, President Obama released seven years worth of taxes and has released them every year ever since.

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I rarely look to Wiki for accuracy and no serious researcher does, and I certainly will not take the time to fact check them.

If you don't know what I mean by "records sealed" you haven't been paying attention.


No just Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News (fair and balanced), etc.

Wikipedia is good for current events as the articles often have a lot of links to more reliable sources. They are not signed so that is a problem with accountability and accuracy when it comes to things happening right at the moment.

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Two reasons to withhold. 1. the right wingnuts want the info, and 2. it's irrelevent. Thats' easy enough. :grumpy:

Reasons, that I assume from your post ONLY apply to one group and not the other.

Irelevent ? Maybe, but I was under the impression that in our country the voters were GIVEN THE INFORMATION and then decided !!!

At least that appears to work ONE direction !!!

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If President Obama is such a dastardly individual, how come he's polling better that any republican candidate in all the latest polls?

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If President Obama is such a dastardly individual, how come he's polling better that any republican candidate in all the latest polls?

You really don;t get it...do you ?

You don't understand the power of the media and the complete lack of vetting of this man. And lets get something straight....NOBODY EVER called him anything close to a "dastardly individual".......NOBODY. He has not been vetted and there are things that need to be answered.

But stop with the typical liberal crap of making it sound like a personal attack..it is not !!!!

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You really don;t get it...do you ?

You don't understand the power of the media and the complete lack of vetting of this man. And lets get something straight....NOBODY EVER called him anything close to a "dastardly individual".......NOBODY. He has not been vetted and there are things that need to be answered.

But stop with the typical liberal crap of making it sound like a personal attack..it is not !!!!

Why are liberals like Jan getting hysterical? I find it very interesting.

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Why are liberals like Jan getting hysterical? I find it very interesting.

You should have been here in 2008...I was trying so hard to understand this senator with no experience, I actually read both his autobiographies, read through the archives of the Chicago papers.

I was called a racist among other things....they said "who cares".. and this I gotta share. A poster who during the primary between Clinton and Obama referred to him as "an empty suit" all of a sudden found him to be the savior.

READ...READ READ.....his life is interesting reading WITH MANY CORNERS AND SHADOWS.

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Why are liberals like Jan getting hysterical? I find it very interesting.

I'm getting hysterical laughing at the republican candidates.

Speaking of vetting, the new HBO movie "Game Change" admits that Sarah Palin was vetted for five days. Compare that with President Obama who campaigned from Feb 2007, the day he announced his candidacy in Springfield, IL, until the day he was elected in Nov 2008. If he wasn't vetted, it's the fault of the press, etc. You don't think the Clinton camp and the McCain camp looked under every rock?

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I'm getting hysterical laughing at the republican candidates.

Speaking of vetting, the new HBO movie "Game Change" admits that Sarah Palin was vetted for five days. Compare that with President Obama who campaigned from Feb 2007, the day he announced his candidacy in Springfield, IL, until the day he was elected in Nov 2008. If he wasn't vetted, it's the fault of the press, etc. You don't think the Clinton camp and the McCain camp looked under every rock?

Well, at least you are happy and laughing...that is a good thing. You are blessed to have a hero in the WH and belonging to the party of RIGHT (not as in political philosophy). Us slobs have just not been blessed as you have...count your blessings.

How did you find the golden path to adore Obama and choose the correct political party ? Share.....and while you are at it, do some readiing on the 2008 election process...many books but you will not hear about them on the sites you read or the tweets you get.

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Oh, I so am looking forward to seeing "Game Change" on HBO tonight. It is going to be up for whatever cable channel awards are similar to Oscars, I'm sure.

Well, I am ot going to go off track from this thread and rave about the movie and the story. Probably will be at least one thread on "Game Change" tomorrow.

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Oh, I so am looking forward to seeing "Game Change" on HBO tonight. It is going to be up for whatever cable channel awards are similar to Oscars, I'm sure.

Well, I am ot going to go off track from this thread and rave about the movie and the story. Probably will be at least one thread on "Game Change" tomorrow.

ENJOY...and then try real hard to come back to the REAL world and we can discuss REAL issues confronting this country !!!