Meter Reading

[CarGuys]

I found the meter compartment for the pottable fresh water supply.

I was amazed that anyone could read it as it took me a 1/2 hour to clean out the hole from sand and lawn debris and them scrape off the dried mud and clean the meter glass. Hmmmmmmm!

Makes me wonder all! Do they " Guess ta mate" readings. We are concerned as like some being away from the home .

I used as much water for irrigation running full tilt with the new lawn as I did a month later with the system set for the Village requirements of twice a week. Hmmmmmmmmm

I then opened up the compartment that housed our non-pottable irragiation water. I could not find a meter to read? All I saw was valves and twisted wire for the irrigation

Am I missing something?

Thanks Herv

[l2ridehd]

The meter is read electronically when they drive by your home. Has a small sending unit in it that transmits the reading to the vehicle. Not sure if the irrigation water works the same way, but would suspect so.

You probably had the box open for the sprinkler solenoid controls and not the meter box.

And I believe according to the last notice that your only allowed to water once a week now, not twice.

[JJ&TJ]

My uncle was down at my place in Jan. and said some guy was looking in one of the boxes in the lawn. The next day the guy was back so my uncle went to see what was up. The guy told him he was checking the reading again because there was so much difference from last time. Would have been around $4000.00. Glad he came back.

[CarGuys]

The meter is read electronically when they drive by your home. Has a small sending unit in it that transmits the reading to the vehicle. Not sure if the irrigation water works the same way, but would suspect so.

You probably had the box open for the sprinkler solenoid controls and not the meter box.

And I believe according to the last notice that your only allowed to water once a week now, not twice.

New Lawn plants and we are away till July. Great! Yes the box had solenoids in it I did not see any other non potable box?

What are they rationing us while they are issuing another GaZillion building permits and a New industrial complex in TrailWinds! Yea that makes sense?

[Bogie Shooter]

New Lawn plants and we are away till July. Great! Yes the box had solenoids in it I did not see any other non potable box?

What are they rationing us while they are issuing another GaZillion building permits and a New industrial complex in TrailWinds! Yea that makes sense?

No, what really does not make any sense is the St John's River Authority approving Niagara Bottling to remove,free, a GaZillion gallons from the river to put in plastic bottles to sell and ship all over the US.

[pqrstar]

The water that Niagra Bottling is pumping is from the Florida aquifer in Lake County.

This is under the St. John's water authority, but the water does not come from the St. Johns River.

It is close to 177 million gallons of ground water a year (484,000 gallons a day) from Lake County.

Water district’s conservation lectures — all bottled up – Taking Names the Blog – Orlando Sentinel (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_namesblog/2011/04/water-districts-conservation-lectures-all-bottled-up.html)

Groveland approves $1.35 million settlement with Niagara Bottling Co. in water war - Orlando Sentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-01-03/news/os-groveland-niagara-bottling-settlem20110103_1_groveland-council-member-niagara-bottling-groveland-first)

[rubicon]

No, what really does not make any sense is the St John's River Authority approving Niagara Bottling to remove,free, a GaZillion gallons from the river to put in plastic bottles to sell and ship all over the US.

Yea I am still seething about that one...especially when you ask folks to conserve at the expense of losing grass or plants and cinch infestati

By the way the water/irragation meters are located under the same grate and wires are connected from the meter to the underside of the grate for reading

[JohnN]

as stated, the meters are read electronically.

it just makes sense to conserve water, it's expensive.
watering once a week and my plants have done just fine.

[shcisamax]

BTW: What is an average? monthly water bill? We have always been on well water so this is new to us. Also, we have been told we fill up the pool once it is built with a hose. Up here they truck in the water. ANyone know what sort of water bill you get when you fill a pool??? Outside of large? Looking for a number..:)

[CarGuys]

Yea I am still seething about that one...especially when you ask folks to conserve at the expense of losing grass or plants and cinch infestati

By the way the water/irragation meters are located under the same grate and wires are connected from the meter to the underside of the grate for reading

Saw that connection Thanks

[CarGuys]

BTW: What is an average? monthly water bill? We have always been on well water so this is new to us. Also, we have been told we fill up the pool once it is built with a hose. Up here they truck in the water. ANyone know what sort of water bill you get when you fill a pool??? Outside of large? Looking for a number..:)

I understand the Swimming Pools are free however the water to fill it is priceless!

It's gotta be a BaZillion dollars!

Ohhhh am I gonna miss the NY deep wells, Adirondack streams - Upstate NY Great Lakes, Finger Lakes, Rivers Streams and Cheap water up here.

[coffeebean]

...Ohhhh am I gonna miss the NY deep wells, Adirondack streams - Upstate NY Great Lakes, Finger Lakes, Rivers Streams and Cheap water up here.

The drinking water in upstate NY must be delicious. I really don't mind the taste too much, but there are folks here in The Villages who do not like the taste of our water. My husband, sister and brother-in-law refuse to drink it. Our house has lots of bottled water and my sis and BIL had a whole house water filtration system installed.

[Skybo]

BTW: What is an average? monthly water bill?

My monthly potable water bill averages about $13 a month (that includes an $8.06 base fee that you pay even if you don’t use any water). My sewer treatment averages about $23 a month (which includes an $11.49 base fee).

My irrigation bill generally runs about $12 a month (including a $5.40 base fee). The amount of irrigation water will vary greatly depending on size of lot, amount/type of landscaping and time of year. Irrigation water is charged on a “tier system”. 0 – 7000 gallons the rate is $1.87/thousand, 7000 – 14,000 gallons $3.04/thousand and 14,000 and up $4.23/thousand. (Note the 7,000-14000 and 14000+ rate may be a little higher now, I only went that high the first month I moved in and had new landscaping).

ANyone know what sort of water bill you get when you fill a pool??? Outside of large? Looking for a number..:)

The rate on potable water on my last bill was $1.72/Thousand. So if you know the size of your pool, you can figure an estimate that way. Up north, when we filled a pool, we didn’t have to pay sewer treatment for that amount of water. Not sure if they cut you that break here or not.

[shcisamax]

Ha. Does anyone know how many gallons a 14x28 ft pool takes if the deep end is 6 ft? This is indisputably one of those volume questions that I got wrong on my geometry test in high school. Anyone able to get the answer? Really good exercise for the brain. :)

[handyman]

7.5 gals in a cubic foot of water,most water companies charge by cubic foot not gallon,but it seems everything is a little different down here, by the way how deep is the shallow end?


you must average the depth multiply depth x width x length x7.5

[shcisamax]

The shallow end is 1 ft...let's say for purposes of doing the math. So the average depth would be 2.5 (6-1=5/2 right?). So you are saying multiply 14 x 28 x2.5 x 7.5? Which would be 7,350. So it takes 7,350 gallons of water (apx) to fill the pool? x $3.04 per thousand? skybo..that can't be right. Because it would cost $21.00 to fill the pool. Something isn't right. Handyman what is the correct answer here?

[Bogie Shooter]

The water that Niagra Bottling is pumping is from the Florida aquifer in Lake County.

This is under the St. John's water authority, but the water does not come from the St. Johns River.

It is close to 177 million gallons of ground water a year (484,000 gallons a day) from Lake County.

Water district’s conservation lectures — all bottled up – Taking Names the Blog – Orlando Sentinel (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_namesblog/2011/04/water-districts-conservation-lectures-all-bottled-up.html)

Groveland approves $1.35 million settlement with Niagara Bottling Co. in water war - Orlando Sentinel (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-01-03/news/os-groveland-niagara-bottling-settlem20110103_1_groveland-council-member-niagara-bottling-groveland-first)

Thanks for the correction.
However, any way you look at it, still Pxxxex me off.

[Bogie Shooter]

BTW: What is an average? monthly water bill? We have always been on well water so this is new to us. Also, we have been told we fill up the pool once it is built with a hose. Up here they truck in the water. ANyone know what sort of water bill you get when you fill a pool??? Outside of large? Looking for a number..:)

You will pay for the water and the sewer charge. That's the same way it was in western NY.
My pool builder said he stopped using trucked in water as he was getting a lot of rust and could not be assured of clean water.

[Skybo]

The shallow end is 1 ft...let's say for purposes of doing the math. So the average depth would be 2.5 (6-1=5/2 right?). So you are saying multiply 14 x 28 x2.5 x 7.5? Which would be 7,350. So it takes 7,350 gallons of water (apx) to fill the pool? x $3.04 per thousand? skybo..that can't be right. Because it would cost $21.00 to fill the pool. Something isn't right. Handyman what is the correct answer here?

No, the $3.04/thousand rate was for irrigation water, which I included in my answer to your question about average monthly water bills. I don’t think you’d use irrigation water to fill a pool, but I could be wrong...I don’t have a pool here.

I *think* (again I could be wrong) that the water that comes out of the hose is potable water, and that rate is $1.72/thousand. I used 2,650 gallons of potable water last month and it cost me $4.56 (plus the $8.06 base fee). Again, I don’t know if they would charge you sewer treatment fee on water that goes into a pool, but if they do, that rate is $4.12/thousand (on top of what you pay for the water).

To put it into perspective, my first month here (with brand new landscaping that had to be watered every day), I used 39,000 gallons of irrigation water, which is a higher rate than potable water, and that portion of my water bill was only $144.00.

I think your estimate on how much water it will take to fill your pool is a little low, but in any case, I don’t think it’s going to cost you as much to fill it as you might be expecting.

[handyman]

1ft shallow+6ft deep devide by 2=3.5x28x14=1372cuft x 7.5=10290 gals or a little more than an average semi tanker carries,to give you an idea of what 10000 gals looks like

[zcaveman]

Ha. Does anyone know how many gallons a 14x28 ft pool takes if the deep end is 6 ft? This is indisputably one of those volume questions that I got wrong on my geometry test in high school. Anyone able to get the answer? Really good exercise for the brain. :)

How deep is the shallow end and what is the grade of descent to the deep end? And assuming the pool is not on a straight vertical what is the length of the plateaus of the shallow end and the deep end?

With that information I can get my slide rule out and work on it.

[shcisamax]

For ease of computation, assume it is a straight constant line from the shallow end which is 1 ft. to the deep end which is 6 ft. Slide rule! Impressive.

[applesoffh]

When we moved to the Village of Charlotte in January, we were told by our builder that the water from the hose is NOT potable and we should not allow anyone or any animals to drink from it.

I don't have a pool, but knowing that info, why would you want to swim in the water that's used in your toilet bowl (also not potable)? Just asking...

Is the water different in other parts of TV?

[shcisamax]

Wow. I hardly know what to say. My understanding is that all pools are filled by your hose. I guess that is a great question to ask. Thanks.

[Skybo]

When we moved to the Village of Charlotte in January, we were told by our builder that the water from the hose is NOT potable and we should not allow anyone or any animals to drink from it.

I don't have a pool, but knowing that info, why would you want to swim in the water that's used in your toilet bowl (also not potable)? Just asking...

Is the water different in other parts of TV?

Are you sure he wasn’t talking about the irrigation water (the water that comes out of the in-ground sprinkler system)?

I’m no plumber, but I believe that all household water is the same. The water that goes into your toilet bowl comes from the same place as the water that comes out of your kitchen sink, bathroom sinks, shower heads, washing machine and fills your ice maker. And I’m also pretty sure that it is the same water that comes out of your outside hoses.

[shcisamax]

I know they water the golf courses with irrigation water which means essentially it is sewage water. I don't know if that is what is in the houses for irrigation as well. It does make sense though. Do we have two sets of water meters? I hate to think we actually have to pay for sewage water. lol

[Mikeod]

I know they water the golf courses with irrigation water which means essentially it is sewage water. I don't know if that is what is in the houses for irrigation as well. It does make sense though. Do we have two sets of water meters? I hate to think we actually have to pay for sewage water. lol
The irrigation water is reclaimed water which is far from sewage water. It has been treated to a level just short of drinking quality which is why it is classed as non-potable. In Caroline, the outside hose bibs are the same as the interior water, i.e., potable. I suspect the other poster was being told about the irrigation water, not the water from the hose bibs.

[Skybo]

I know they water the golf courses with irrigation water which means essentially it is sewage water. I don't know if that is what is in the houses for irrigation as well. It does make sense though. Do we have two sets of water meters? I hate to think we actually have to pay for sewage water. lol

Yes we have two separate meters...one for household water and one for irrigation water. That was how I was able to give you the rate breakdowns a few posts earlier. And yes we pay for the irrigation water in our yards. It is collected and/or treated somewhat differently than the irrigation water on the golf courses, but I don’t know the specifics...I’ll let someone more knowledgeable explain the details of how that works.

Edited to add: Thanks Mike

[Russ_Boston]

You will pay for the water and the sewer charge. That's the same way it was in western NY.
My pool builder said he stopped using trucked in water as he was getting a lot of rust and could not be assured of clean water.

My pool is about 14 X 30 with a 6ft deep end (it is somewhat kidney shaped). We had to refill it due to a couple of divots that needed sanding. The cost for the extra water to fill (from the exterior hose bibs, which is potable water, since they also don't like trucked in water) was $95. It came to 14100 extra gallons charged at the top rate since we had already filled it once. The pool company paid for the extra water since the divot was their problem. All Seasons Pools did the pool and we are very happy with their product and the service.

[Russ_Boston]

I’m no plumber, but I believe that all household water is the same. The water that goes into your toilet bowl comes from the same place as the water that comes out of your kitchen sink, bathroom sinks, shower heads, washing machine and fills your ice maker. And I’m also pretty sure that it is the same water that comes out of your outside hoses.

South of 466 this is exactly the case. The exterior house bibs are interior water (read my post above about the pool fill). Only the irrigation pipes are reclaimed water.

[l2ridehd]

My pool is 14 X 28. Two feet at the shallow end and six feet at the deep end. Holds about 12,500 gallons. Cost to fill is about $85.

[BostonCelt]

My monthly potable water bill....includes an $8.06 base fee. My sewer treatment...includes an $11.49 base fee.

My irrigation bill...a $5.40 base fee. 0 – 7000 gallons the rate is $1.87/thousand, 7000 – 14,000 gallons $3.04/thousand and 14,000 and up $4.23/thousand.

The rate on potable water on my last bill was $1.72/Thousand.


Just got my first full-period Village of Charlotte water bill, with different...higher...rates than above, as follows:

Potable base fee....$8.18 (vs $8.06 above for Skybo)
0-3000 gal @ $1.93 (vs $1.72 above)

Sewer base....$14.90 (vs $11.49 above)

Irrigation base....$7.50 (vs $5.40 above)
0-7000 gal @ $2.02/thousand (vs $1.87 above)
7001-14000 gal @ $3.38/thousand (vs $3.04 above)

Why the difference, anybody know? What's yours??

[applesoffh]

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[applesoffh]

South of 466 this is exactly the case. The exterior house bibs are interior water (read my post above about the pool fill). Only the irrigation pipes are reclaimed water.

OK - as I said, I misunderstood. Thanks for the update.

[2 Oldcrabs]

Just got my first full-period Village of Charlotte water bill, with different...higher...rates than above, as follows:

Potable base fee....$8.18 (vs $8.06 above for Skybo)
0-3000 gal @ $1.93 (vs $1.72 above)

Sewer base....$14.90 (vs $11.49 above)

Irrigation base....$7.50 (vs $5.40 above)
0-7000 gal @ $2.02/thousand (vs $1.87 above)
7001-14000 gal @ $3.38/thousand (vs $3.04 above)

Why the difference, anybody know? What's yours??

At the "Goverment day" exhibit I was told there are different rates for the different districts. They have higher rates in the newer section in an attempt to conserve water. Newer homes have more water efficient faucets and appliances.

[zcaveman]

For ease of computation, assume it is a straight constant line from the shallow end which is 1 ft. to the deep end which is 6 ft. Slide rule! Impressive.

I came up with 9000 gallons - close enough to Handyman's 10290 gallons.

Actually I did use a calculator instead of the slide rule. After playing with it for a while, I found out that it makes a great straight edge.

[BostonCelt]

At the "Goverment day" exhibit I was told there are different rates for the different districts. They have higher rates in the newer section in an attempt to conserve water. Newer homes have more water efficient faucets and appliances.

Okaaay.....So they're telling those with older inefficient stuff, "Don't worry. You keep using the old stuff at your regular rates and we'll have the new people with the good stuff subsidize you while motivating them to use less at the same time...."

I still think (hope) I'm missing something there......

[shcisamax]

Yes, the logic eludes me too. :)

[Skybo]

Okaaay.....So they're telling those with older inefficient stuff, "Don't worry. You keep using the old stuff at your regular rates and we'll have the new people with the good stuff subsidize you while motivating them to use less at the same time...."


That’s a good question BostonCelt. I didn’t realize that the rates were different in different districts. For what it’s worth, the home I live in is less than a year old.

[shcisamax]

12ridehd Thank you for the NUMBER. The way people were talking I thought it would be a couple thousand to fill. :)