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Can anyone shed any documentable, dispassionate information about these claims that the wife of Rick Santorum had the equivalent of an abortion in 1996 purportedly to save her life?

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Did Rick Santorum (http://www.examiner.com/progressive-in-portland/did-rick-santorum-s-wife-have-an-abortion)

I have checked for information about this on many sites through the following (thanks to pooh on another post) and cannot find anything viable:

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The facts seem pretty much there. The 'wiggle room' is in how you interpret it afterwards.

The clincher, for me, was karen saying that, if the labor was stopped but the infection continued risking her life, she WOULD have had the abortion to save her life so that her other kids wouldn't lose a mother.

Santorum's publicly stated position is that there should be NO exception and that the mother SHOULD die in a case like that.

This is where charges of hypocrisy can come in. It's ok to save his wife's life for the VERY VALID reason that the other kids shouldn't lose their mother to a fetus that will die once born - but not for others.

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The facts seem pretty much there. The 'wiggle room' is in how you interpret it afterwards.

The clincher, for me, was karen saying that, if the labor was stopped but the infection continued risking her life, she WOULD have had the abortion to save her life so that her other kids wouldn't lose a mother.

Santorum's publicly stated position is that there should be NO exception and that the mother SHOULD die in a case like that.

This is where charges of hypocrisy can come in. It's ok to save his wife's life for the VERY VALID reason that the other kids shouldn't lose their mother to a fetus that will die once born - but not for others.

This, I admit, is a very unfair comment to make on this thread and I know it,but I have this ongoing problem with our media and how they vet.

This is important to research, and I assume as DJPLONG says because it could show some hypocrisy in the candidate....got it.....how did and DOES our President get a pass in all the hypocrial things posted on here....why does everyone take is word and just forget it....Wright, Ayers, etc.

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This, I admit, is a very unfair comment to make on this thread and I know it,but I have this ongoing problem with our media and how they vet.

This is important to research, and I assume as DJPLONG says because it could show some hypocrisy in the candidate....got it.....how did and DOES our President get a pass in all the hypocrial things posted on here....why does everyone take is word and just forget it....Wright, Ayers, etc.

Ya can't argue with that logic. Well stated Bucco.

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There's a huge difference between saying:

Your wife must die even though the pregnancy that's killing her could be terminated.

...and something about someone's associations?

Now, I'm not being sarcastic here... I really do want some clarification.

What's the big deal about Rev. Wright? The "God Damn America" clip? Is there a corresponding clip of Obama saying that he took Wright's word as law? Look, I was raised Catholic and I didn't take everything I heard in catholic school or in Church as law - I made up my own mind.

And Ayers.. Well, there's a muddy situation at best. Having a meeting in one's living room at as young an age as that doesn't mean much. It's the subsequent actions that speak louder to me. Not that I'm thrilled with those actions - but it's not like Obama grew up to be Tim McVeigh.

Maybe it's because I got involved with a political cult when I came of age and got out of it when I realized the truth.

I mean, yes, we all know there's a certain level of hypocrisy in politics. But when you stake something SO STRIDENTLY like Santorum does with abortion...

Do you remember John Kerrey talking about how certain things he witnessed in the Vietnam were BURNED into his BRAIN - he made SUCH a big deal of them? ...except that he was never there and could never have seen what he claimed to have seen. If he'd said "I remember some bad things...." and later was found to have some minor errors, people could chalk that up to usual human memory faults. But to make SUCH a big deal of it? Well, that helped sink him.

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"What's the big deal about Rev. Wright? The "God Damn America" clip? Is there a corresponding clip of Obama saying that he took Wright's word as law? Look, I was raised Catholic and I didn't take everything I heard in catholic school or in Church as law - I made up my own mind."

TWO autobiographies where he states that Rev Wright was his mentor, close family friend and someone who he respected and always asked for advice.

You do what most do..refer to the speech that we all saw on YOUTUBE...in fact the man taught Black Liberation Philosophy and often referred to hatred of white folks, etc. Many statments in the Chicago newspapers citing Obama and Wright, BUT...LO AND BEHOLD..someone brings up the video and Obama knows nothing..heard nothing and the media accepted that...it is a fact, because he said it. I am not criticizing the teaching or the Rev...THE PRESS..they just dropped it. But we are citing single remarks and hear them all day on CNN about Santorium for example.

"And Ayers.. Well, there's a muddy situation at best. Having a meeting in one's living room at as young an age as that doesn't mean much. It's the subsequent actions that speak louder to me. Not that I'm thrilled with those actions - but it's not like Obama grew up to be Tim McVeigh."

Assuming that it is as minor as you portray it and it is not, but assume just that. Had any Republican candidate had this kind of association(s) in any election (think Paliin for one), this would have required specials to be run by MSNBC and CNN to dig into..heck, they moved in next door to Palin to dig up stuff...just imagine Romney met with (pick any name)...he is THE NEWS for weeks until he is gone. Obama said he didnt know him well....nuff said..no more conversation about it.

This was not in the President's DISTANT PAST...not like a flirtation with a group just for experience...this was current stuff....still attending the church for example. This was not something from WAY BACK

That is what you mentioned but ignore the work he was doing before being elected in Chicago and his relationship with Rezko.

I have two opinions on this stuff....FIRST....this was his entire life...community action leader and working with ACORN along with his associations mentioned...ALL of them radical liberal in anybody's definition.
Then elected in Chicago and a reputation as a liberal and then to the US Senate where guess what....every year voted as the single most liberal senator. ALL OF THIS without any break to hear any other side, if you understand what I am trying to say...no exposure to anything but this radical slant.

And again...not criticizing any of that on its face...but imagine that kind of background on another candidate. Media says that Obama says he has no radical thoughts or anything...case close.

Now, let me put myself out there for severe criticism.SECOND
Folks will come on here and say...hey, why didnt McCain or Palin say something and call his hand ? Why doesnt the Republican party say any of this.
Imagine, an group who during the primary alone with Clinton pulled the race card and got total backing from the media...imagine saying anything...whomever goes down that road has a lot of guts because the media will destroy them. Nothing illegal in what he has done that I know of but the subject of all his associations is not something to be addressed in our current climate...THIS IS MY OPINION.

There is more....sealing his grades...why ? So much mystery...birth certificate stuff, which I never got onboard but the media just keeps ignoring anyway.

This is why I criticize the media.....in 2008, in my opinion, they completely and totally fell in step with the Obama thing and now they are stuck with it, no matter what.

Sorry for all the blabber...I dont construct these posts well....and apologize...for those who think I rant like this because I am a racist..can only say not true and I have heard it all on here during the election campaign because everytime I cited something that was FACT...I was told that the only reason I brought it up was because of race..and on and on...in todays age, it is the conversation ender.....if you say more, well you are toast.

I never accused the President of anything except being secretive..and he is an has been as a President......I never called him a name...I just, as this is all about, think the media is a dead issue for any forthright reporting.


PS: While I can understand someone reading this and thinking "sour grapes"...let me assure you....Barrack Obama was elected and nobody fixed that election. I realize it was almost 4 years ago. My beef is with the media and I would not discuss it if I do not see the same thing happening all over again. I watched on CNN and MSNBC repeated coverage of remarks that Santorium made years ago. I do not support Santorium but I think we need to know who we are electing no matter that initial is after his/her name

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Folks will come on here and say...hey, why didnt McCain or Palin say something and call his hand ? Why doesnt the Republican party say any of this.


For what it's worth, in the HBO movie "Game Changer", McCain allegedly says "That's not the kind of campaign I want to run". How accurate that is, I don't know except to note that most comments I've read on the movie from people involved in the campaign have said it's pretty accurate.

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For what it's worth, in the HBO movie "Game Changer", McCain allegedly says "That's not the kind of campaign I want to run". How accurate that is, I don't know except to note that most comments I've read on the movie from people involved in the campaign have said it's pretty accurate.

I did not see the movie, but your comment set up my curious hairs and found this..

"As shown in HBO’s “Game Change,” John McCain in 2008 ruled out attacks on Barack Obama’s 20-year ties to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the Chicago preacher of “God damn America!” fame. "

HOWEVER and most important, it led me to the linked article by Pat Buchanan.....which is where the quote comes from. I am not going to start a thread or anything, but figure you and RICHIE might like to read the article by Buchanan as it relates to some discussions you two have had.

If either of you want to discuss it further, I would suggest a new thread instead of adding to this one...

Rush and the new blacklist (http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/rush-and-the-new-blacklist/)