Stalin on America's Freedom and Greatness

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We're well on our way to realizing Stalin's ambition.

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We're well on our way to realizing Stalin's ambition.

OK, I'll bite. How so?

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patriotism is no where near what it was20 to 100 years ago.

morality? If someone old enough to live in TV does not think that our morality has been on a steady decline for years then it may do well to get the pulse checked. Our moral standards today are a complete open door, do what ever, say what ever, display what ever and where ever one wants to do so. We have become a moral garbage pit compared to what we were in the 50's (and before).
And continuing to decline by the way.

spiritual life? all one needs to do is watch and listen to the youth of today. Many of the parents are from a generation that didn't have time for church hence what can be expected of their children. Television, the baby sitter of our young ones is a constant stream of profanity, lechers, liars, murder, stealing, robbing, no respect for humanity.....condoned by the stupid and near stupid relatives!!!

The decline compared to my youth in the 50's is absolutely tragic and disgusting......PERMISSIVE PACIFISM AT IT'S FINEST!!!!!!!!!!!

Even if Stalin didn't really say it....IT IS TRUE AND HAPPENING!!!

btk

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Sounds like a paranoid conspiracy scenario to me. I think Obama is Russian trained and will assist in the overthrow from inside the WH. Somebody warn Sarah because Russia is just outside her back door. Aunt M Aunt M. The Ski is falling. Hurry and see if Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck can come and save us all. Oh My Oh My what will we do?

:22yikes:

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after the jesting is over how about an opinion on the state of our patriotism, morality and spiritualism compared to when you were a youngster?

btk

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The Wasilla Quitta is supposed to be keeping an eye on those pesky Russians.

Where do those planes go?

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Every generation has had their bag boys and girls. Many thought the 60's were the end of civilization. I think family values have changed. More two parent incomes and more kid time with after school programs. Patriotism was very high after 911 and still is in most American's heart. During election year it is a favorite cry of the Hawks and the far right wing that we are a nation of non-patriotic and immoral people.

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I am an Iowa Farm Boy, 22 years in the military and 12 years federal Government. I see things much much better today than they were years ago. It is just that everything is out in the open. Back 20 or more years, people and communities turned their heads to molestation of children and now everyone demands action, punishment and prevention. And it is that way in several other categories, just more open and that is a good thing. Ya can't fix what ya can't see.

Get off the paranoid wagon.

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If you choose to look at the negatives, that's all you'll see.

Patriotism? I see a lot more than when I was a kid. (I'm 49)

Morality? I see us treating people more fair these days. It's not perfect - but women can vote, unlike 100 years ago, and so can minorities, unlike 200 years ago. Children aren't forced to work in factories and we provide 'free' primary education to every citizen. Yes, there are more divorces - can't argue that - but women are also not forced to live in abusive relationships. They don't have to endure beatings to keep a roof over their heads.

Spiritual Life? I submit to you that the Catholic Church, Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker and Jimmy Swaggarts of the world have done more damage.

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If you choose to look at the negatives, that's all you'll see.

Patriotism? I see a lot more than when I was a kid. (I'm 49)

Morality? I see us treating people more fair these days. It's not perfect - but women can vote, unlike 100 years ago, and so can minorities, unlike 200 years ago. Children aren't forced to work in factories and we provide 'free' primary education to every citizen. Yes, there are more divorces - can't argue that - but women are also not forced to live in abusive relationships. They don't have to endure beatings to keep a roof over their heads.

Spiritual Life? I submit to you that the Catholic Church, Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker and Jimmy Swaggarts of the world have done more damage.

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The more I follow this forum, the more I understand that the conservatives on this site do not represent the conservatives I associate with, but are more fanatical than would be accepted by the normal GOP. Thank God and Greyhound for that.

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I enjoy this forum as I learn more and more about how differently we as individuals see things. One thing I have not done and will not do is the compartmentalizing, categorizing people, by R or D or white or black or catholic or WASP....It must facilitate a need for some in order to process what they see/hear.

Anything one doesn't need to navigate through daily life is not a very high priority for me. And being a certain flavor or needing to put others in a certain pigeon hole is just not used in daily life.

I find it to be an impediment and oh so limiting.

btk

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This link seems to blame how transitory our society is for the decline of religions in the US-- Statistics on Religion in America Report -- Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports)

9/11 certainly bolstered our patriotism as probably did also the killing of Osama bin Laden. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8410977/ns/us_news/t/poll-us-patriotism-continues-soar/

There seems to be something on the decline of morality according to the Gallup Poll but "morality" is a very difficult thing to really define. http://www.gallup.com/poll/128042/americans-outlook-morality-remains-bleak.aspx The morality of the 1920s would be quite different from that of the 1880s or the 1980s or the 2010s.

Stalin, though, is probably the last person to look to for making a value judgment about anything having to do with ethics in the United States.

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joe stalin, that joe stalin the mass murderer and we are going to quote him? You are kidding right?

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joe stalin, that joe stalin the mass murderer and we are going to quote him? You are kidding right?

He is not the only one !! Several of those who wish us ill will have said basically the same thing...how they will destroy us from within.

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Just as I figured. I got predictable dismissive and ridiculing attitudes toward my little post from all the usual suspects, and only the conservative minded posters reacted with any serious thought to the implication of the quote, except DJ who I disagree with yet again, but at least he gave some thought to it.

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Patriotism: Probably somewhat less than the post WWII years, but MUCH stronger than the Vietnam and Watergate years.

Morality: We are aware of immorality more today than ever before because of satellite TV and the internet, but I am confident the morality (from a sexual standpoint) was simarlily loose among many folks in years past, just not as evident. As for morality in the way we treat other people, unlike ourselves (speaking as a male, white, protestant) we are miles ahead of where we were in the 50s and 60s. For example, I recall a black person being badly beaten for being in my small midwestern hometown after dark, which was actually against an old law still on the books in 1960.

Spirtuality: I am concerned that younger people do not seem to be attending church as regularly as our generation did, but am not sure that it indicates as much a lack of spirituality, as it does a lack of confidence in organized religion. There are many cases of religious improprieties which could cause people to want to deal with their spirituality in more personal ways, again partly the result of much much more information available.

All-in-all, I don't have a feeling that we are any worse off in these areas than we were, for the most part, during my childhood. Mores and attitudes tend to change and evolve all the time, and I don't think that is a sign of the apocolypse.

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Just as I figured. I got predictable dismissive and ridiculing attitudes toward my little post from all the usual suspects, and only the conservative minded posters reacted with any serious thought to the implication of the quote, except DJ who I disagree with yet again, but at least he gave some thought to it.

Ok so we performed for your amusement like monkeys on a stick but no words from you why you think that the commies are coming.

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Ok so we performed for your amusement like monkeys on a stick but no words from you why you think that the commies are coming.

I don't think you understood the meaning of this thread, perhaps on purpose, but communism was NOT the issue.

Do you think Stalin was the first to say this exact same thing ? Do you listen to the folks in the ME who wish us harm at best....are they not saying the same thing.

You will try to make this political...I dont see it that way....please read what is being said ABOUT this country !

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I don't think you understood the meaning of this thread, perhaps on purpose, but communism was NOT the issue.

Do you think Stalin was the first to say this exact same thing ? Do you listen to the folks in the ME who wish us harm at best....are they not saying the same thing.

You will try to make this political...I dont see it that way....please read what is being said ABOUT this country !

The OP stated we were well on our way to meeting Stalins additions. Nothing more or less. I asked why he thought that way.

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I don't think you understood the meaning of this thread, perhaps on purpose, but communism was NOT the issue.

Do you think Stalin was the first to say this exact same thing ? Do you listen to the folks in the ME who wish us harm at best....are they not saying the same thing.

You will try to make this political...I dont see it that way....please read what is being said ABOUT this country !

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.

The point of Stalin's quote was that America is (was?) a country hard to bring down because of the strength of it's people. But if America was to lose it's faith, it's patriotism and it's moral center it would collapse under it's own weight.

I see much of that happening as America strays from it's core beliefs and strays into the secular world of big controlling government complete with the banning of God in the public square.

If you can't see or understand what i'm speaking of.............Stalin is smiling somewhere.

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The OP stated we were well on our way to meeting Stalins additions. Nothing more or less. I asked why he thought that way.


I think he said that we were well on our way to meeting his ambitions, which, to me, is the three things he listed that will weaken us, which havent changed over the years.

BUT..not my thread...will shut up and allow RICHIE to speak for himself

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Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.

The point of Stalin's quote was that America is (was?) a country hard to bring down because of the strength of it's people. But if America was to lose it's faith, it's patriotism and it's moral center it would collapse under it's own weight.

I see much of that happening as America strays from it's core beliefs and strays into the secular world of big controlling government complete with the banning of God in the public square.

If you can't see or understand what i'm speaking of.............Stalin is smiling somewhere.

Stalin is burning in Hell. Not any smiles there.

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Sounds like a paranoid conspiracy scenario to me. I think Obama is Russian trained and will assist in the overthrow from inside the WH. Somebody warn Sarah because Russia is just outside her back door. Aunt M Aunt M. The Ski is falling. Hurry and see if Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck can come and save us all. Oh My Oh My what will we do?

:22yikes:

You really need to check facts. Tina Fey was the one who said that in a SNL show.

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You really need to check facts. Tina Fey was the one who said that in a SNL show.

Really, Maybe I should use this forum to find materal to turn into comedy.

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First, the uber-conservatives quote PRAVDA to find a story about Cowboy Joe Ariapio saying that Obama is a non-citizen. Then the uber-conservatives channel up Josef Stalin to say what is wrong with America. To me, this sounds extremely unpatriotic to be quoting a Russian mass-murderer as well as the official news wire service for Russia.

Are these same uber-conservatives next going to ask Gary Morse to extend an invitation to Hugo Chavez or to Akmaninajhab to have a rally at Lake Sumter Landing so they can cheer?

What would their great champion, Ronald Reagan, say if he could see these uber-conservatives quoting PRAVDA and Stalin?

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First, the uber-conservatives quote PRAVDA to find a story about Cowboy Joe Ariapio saying that Obama is a non-citizen. Then the uber-conservatives channel up Josef Stalin to say what is wrong with America. To me, this sounds extremely unpatriotic to be quoting a Russian mass-murderer as well as the official news wire service for Russia.

Are these same uber-conservatives next going to ask Gary Morse to extend an invitation to Hugo Chavez or to Akmaninajhab to have a rally at Lake Sumter Landing so they can cheer?

What would their great champion, Ronald Reagan, say if he could see these uber-conservatives quoting PRAVDA and Stalin?

LOL. I love your uber-conservative line.

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First, the uber-conservatives quote PRAVDA to find a story about Cowboy Joe Ariapio saying that Obama is a non-citizen. Then the uber-conservatives channel up Josef Stalin to say what is wrong with America. To me, this sounds extremely unpatriotic to be quoting a Russian mass-murderer as well as the official news wire service for Russia.

Are these same uber-conservatives next going to ask Gary Morse to extend an invitation to Hugo Chavez or to Akmaninajhab to have a rally at Lake Sumter Landing so they can cheer?

What would their great champion, Ronald Reagan, say if he could see these uber-conservatives quoting PRAVDA and Stalin?

You know Buggy, this shows me that you don't comprehend what you read, and that explains a lot to me. For you to read my post as some sort of endorsement of Stalin is beyond the pale.

The point was to relate the "Stalin recipe" for the destruction from within of free America, and then for you to think about what he said in conjunction to what the state of our society is at this point in time.

I was doing the exact opposite of endorsement. Endorsement is more in line for progressive socialists like you.

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Richie, the reason I disagree with you, at least to a degree on this, is because of the infamous quote attributed to Socrates where he spoke of how disrespectful children were in his new, modern, enlightened era. They no longer stood up when an adult entered the room and showed disrespect towards their parents.

I first read about that in the 1970s.

I certainly wouldn't argue the truths in your OP - demoralize and de-fang a populace and they ARE 'easier pickings'. I just dispute that it's as bad as you make it out to be.

It's taken us 10 years since 9/11 to get to this level of hyperpartisanship bickering again.

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some, to accomodate their cause or whatever, will always side step the message and hammer away at the messenger.

As has already been stated to no apparent avail, no one is supporting or promoting Stalin or Communism or what ever other red herring is being flaunted by some.

Some of us were measuring what was stated...no bias, no support, no what ever seems to turn some of you on about any given subject.

Very consistent methodology.

btk