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I have been called a racist because I disagree with President Obama's policies...I have been called a racist because I think he was totally unqualified for this position...I have been called a racist because he misled america on health care......HOWEVER...

"“I think if President Obama came out as gay, he wouldn't lose the black vote," a cheerful Van Jones told MSNBC this afternoon.

"President Obama is not going to lose the black vote no matter what he does," he added."

Van Jones: Obama Wouldn't Lose Black Vote If He Came Out As Gay | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/02/van_jones_obama_wouldnt_lose_the_black_vote_even_i f_he_came_out_as_gay.html)

THIS does not indicate racism ??

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People now a days use race to their advantage as illustrated with Obama pandering for the black vote. They can because in this politically correct culture they can get away with it.

IMHO a person may be a racist but it doesn't negate what he or she is stating concerning Obama's leadership abilities. In otherwords a person can be a racist and still be right about Obama being the worse president in this country's history.

I make this point to counter the predictable liberal politically correct line. You dislike Obama's policies because you are a racist. Okey dokey!

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If the following from Bucco's post constitutes being a racist:

"...I have been called a racist because I disagree with President Obama's policies...I have been called a racist because I think he was totally unqualified for this position...I have been called a racist because he misled america on health care..."

using these criteria for qualification then I must be one too!!!

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Everybody here pretty much already knows that. It's kinda obvious.

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People now a days use race to their advantage as illustrated with Obama pandering for the black vote. They can because in this politically correct culture they can get away with it.

IMHO a person may be a racist but it doesn't negate what he or she is stating concerning Obama's leadership abilities. In otherwords a person can be a racist and still be right about Obama being the worse president in this country's history.

I make this point to counter the predictable liberal politically correct line. You dislike Obama's policies because you are a racist. Okey dokey!

President Obama doesn't have to pander for the black vote. Why would any person of color, any hispanic, any gay or lesbian, or any woman vote for a republican? What in the republican platform is fair to minorities or women? President Obama got 95% of the black vote in 2008. How much more could he hope to get?

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"President Obama is not going to lose the black vote no matter what he does," he added."[/B]

THIS does not indicate racism ??


He could be exposed and proven as a cereal killer and rapist and would still get the black vote.

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President Obama doesn't have to pander for the black vote. Why would any person of color, any hispanic, any gay or lesbian, or any woman vote for a republican? What in the republican platform is fair to minorities or women? President Obama got 95% of the black vote in 2008. How much more could he hope to get?

THANK YOU for making my point...appreciate it

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President Obama doesn't have to pander for the black vote. Why would any person of color, any hispanic, any gay or lesbian, or any woman vote for a republican? What in the republican platform is fair to minorities or women? President Obama got 95% of the black vote in 2008. How much more could he hope to get?

Hi janmcn: Perhaps you are correct? However you may want to consider substituting the word "any" in your post with "some" For instance Thomas Sowell would not vote for Obama neither would Alan Keyes, Herman Cain, Condi Rice, Colin Powell etc etc etc.

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He could be exposed and proven as a cereal killer and rapist and would still get the black vote.

The killer of Corn Flakes? :mad:

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He could be exposed and proven as a cereal killer and rapist and would still get the black vote.

Shimpy you will not get any argument from me.

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Shimpy you will not get any argument from me.

Two people on this forum agree. The president is a killer of corn flakes. Good one, Dale.

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ooops...children are out....

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President Obama doesn't have to pander for the black vote. Why would any person of color, any hispanic, any gay or lesbian, or any woman vote for a republican? What in the republican platform is fair to minorities or women? President Obama got 95% of the black vote in 2008. How much more could he hope to get?

Not all Black Americans are "slavishly" devoted to remaining on the Democrat Plantation. There are actually Black Americans who value their freedom and the nation's security and a better future for their children than the Democrat Plantation offers them.

National Black Republican Association | National Black Republican Association (http://www.nbra.info/)

RagingElephants.org (http://www.ragingelephants.org/)

Conservative Black Forum | Frederick Douglass Republican | Turning Values Into Votes In 2012 And Beyond (http://frederickdouglassrepublican.com/event/2012-conservative-black-forum/)

Allen West: Black conservatives challenge black-voter 'myths' - Sun Sentinel (http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-01-23/news/fl-allen-west-black-conservatives-20120123_1_black-voters-african-american-conservatives)

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there is a great black documentary being made called Runaway Slave and you can google it to see other wise blacks who realize they will not support obama. and there are millions of women republicans, including me!

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President Obama doesn't have to pander for the black vote. Why would any person of color, any hispanic, any gay or lesbian, or any woman vote for a republican? What in the republican platform is fair to minorities or women? President Obama got 95% of the black vote in 2008. How much more could he hope to get?


i guess the other 2% must have been employed! :smiley: and there is NO WAY that THIS woman would EVER vote for obama!!! :22yikes: the republicans are offering OPPORTUNITY vs the democrats offering a complimentary check - paid for by the working men and women of america...not very fair in my book...just redistributing the wealth. :cryin2:

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I believe the ongoing referral, argument, assumption that blacks will always vote for blacks is demeaning to those blacks who can and do think for themselves and not as alleged blindly by the color of one's skin.

The notion being presented is that no matter how bad a president Obama has been....no matter that he has not delivered even close to what he promised in 2008....no matter what they disagree with Obama on....that they will buy his schtick again and accept and vote for him agian just because he is black??

I have said it before and will say it again; Obama will not carry the same blind following he got in 2008.....he will no doubt get a majority....but the minority vote (pun intended both ways) could be enough to not re-elect him.....AND THAT IS WHY THEY KEEP SAYING IT SO OFTEN....blacks will vote for blacks no matter what....because they damn well know this time around many won't.

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He could be exposed and proven as a cereal killer and rapist and would still get the black vote.

Does that mean he is a serial killer of cereal? Is that a crime? Inquiring minds would like to know.

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He could be exposed and proven as a cereal killer and rapist and would still get the black vote.

And you don't have the same passion for Mitt Romney?

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And you don't have the same passion for Mitt Romney?

If you think that, this proves that you know nothing about conservative Americans, and that's explains it all to anybody who's paying attention, as to the tenor of your political remarks.

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Demogrphics of the past Presidential election will remain about the same for this election. With all of those demographics of blacks, Hispanics, educated women, registered Democrats, and registered Independents, Romney can not hope for a victory. Santorum would be blown out of the water, Newt is a laughing stock, and Paul is just there for the ride.

If the Dumbpublicans put up someone like Alan West, they will have shot themself in the foot with their own gun.

Well, back on dry land tomorrow and able to post easier. Great cruise on Celebrity! I highly recommend it to everyone.

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The question Van Jones was asked on MSNBC was about Obama's base. Jones was asked if Obama came out in favor of gay marriage, would he lose votes from his black supporters.


Jones can laugh and say anything he wants without any relevant follow-up questions, but recent polls show support for gay marriage isn't that great among blacks in America. I suppose that is one reason Obama has stayed on the fence and never come out in support of gay marriage in a manner that would please the LGBTQ groups.

The question from Alex Witt was, "Let's talk a little bit about the base though. And Van, when you talk about the President's position on some of this stuff, I mean does he lose, if you talk about black voters versus, um, you know, Progressive voters; Democrats, the idea of driving a wedge. Do you think President Obama would some of the black vote if he did in fact come out in support of gay marriage?"

Jones' response: "I think if President Obama came out as gay he wouldn't lose the black vote. President Obama isn't going to lose the Black vote no matter what he does. I don't understand this particular uh-uh-uh stategy on the...Certainly our numbers are a little bit more because we are more religious as a community. A little bit softer on some of this stuff. But it's not a hardcore issue for that many African-Americans..."

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can't say we missed the name calling, caustic word maker upper.

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i personally resent the term "educated women" in buggyone's post, implying that only dumb women vote republican...i am very well educated, speak four languages and have lived in europe more than once. this is typical of the arrogant liberal "dream-thinking" that only dumb people would disagree with them...wake up and smell the coffee...most people with even a little intelligence are seeing through obama's glib rhetoric. shouldn't you?

just watched a wonderful video of thomas sowell, a truly amazing black scholar, speaking about obama before the election...it was eerie how hauntingly he predicted obama's dangerous vision for this country and his radical ideology. maybe you can find it on youtube....

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chachacha just keep in mind the source. His/her goal is to bait as long and as loud and as possible usually devoid of substance. The consistency of the posts make it easy to ignore since the name calling usually overwhelms any substance that MIGHT be in their post.

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Couldn't agree with you more, chachacha. I have a Master's Degree and have also lived in Europe, plus the Far East. You have me on the languages though. I can speak reasonable English, on a good day, and Latin darn near killd me. LOL

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If you look at statistics, the majority of college educated women vote Democrat. That is not to say 100% of college educated women will vote Democrat - just as it is not to say 100% of any group will vote for a certain candidate. Just the majority is what I meant. You can look up that fact for yourself and find out I speak the truth.

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Really, Buggy? I'd love to see those stats.


"Based on data from the United States Census and renowned Cook Partisan Voting Index (CPVI), congressional districts with more educated residents are more likely to pledge their electoral votes to Republican presidential candidates. Conversely, congressional districts with less educated residents are more likely to pledge their electoral votes to Democratic presidential candidates."...

Presidential Politics: More Educated Vote Republican - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com (http://voices.yahoo.com/presidential-politics-more-educated-5567599.html)

From your friend Wikipedia:

..."Self-identified Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats to have 4-year college degrees."...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)

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Just to restate the premise of this thread.....it is racist to criticize the President but not racist to vote for him because he is black ?????

Is it not racist to vote for or against someone based on his skin color ?

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Palin Draws Limited Support Among College-Educated Republicans - NYTimes.com (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/palin-support-limited-among-wealthy-college-educated-republicans/)

Just one of many articles.

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Just to restate the premise of this thread.....it is racist to criticize the President but not racist to vote for him because he is black ?????

Is it not racist to vote for or against someone based on his skin color ?

Why would any African American, hispanic, woman, or gay and lesbian vote for the republican agenda? Would it be the tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires paid for by cutting all discretionary spending, the pledge to defund Planned Parenthood, the 98% of house republicans who voted no on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, the no vote on the Violence Against Women Act, the Blunt-Rubio Amendment, that failed in the senate, but would have allowed women's bosses to decide what health care women would receive?

Or would it be the 1100 bills proposed in 2011 by state legislatures across the country regulating women's health care and the state-mandated vaginal ultrasounds passed by many states?

Or would it be the pledge to roll back Don't Ask, Don't Tell? Or the pledge to rescind the Dream Act, if passed?

It doesn't matter if President Obama is black, brown, white, yellow or pink. He is on the right side of the issues, republicans are not.

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Why would any African American, hispanic, woman, or gay and lesbian vote for the republican agenda? Would it be the tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires paid for by cutting all discretionary spending, the pledge to defund Planned Parenthood, the 98% of house republicans who voted no on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, the no vote on the Violence Against Women Act, the Blunt-Rubio Amendment, that failed in the senate, but would have allowed women's bosses to decide what health care women would receive?

Or would it be the 1100 bills proposed in 2011 by state legislatures across the country regulating women's health care and the state-mandated vaginal ultrasounds passed by many states?

Or would it be the pledge to roll back Don't Ask, Don't Tell? Or the pledge to rescind the Dream Act, if passed?

It doesn't matter if President Obama is black, brown, white, yellow or pink. He is on the right side of the issues, republicans are not.

You DID read and listen to the first post ? THAT was the premise of the thread....that he cannot lose the black vote no matter what...well, the premise is not important to you, I see so lets just move on !

You are talking about things that do not even come into play in this thread....should not have even responded

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Just to restate the premise of this thread.....it is racist to criticize the President but not racist to vote for him because he is black ?????

Is it not racist to vote for or against someone based on his skin color ?

Your questions is "Is it not racist to vote for or against someone based on his skin color"? I answered your question very factually that people won't be voting for or against President Obama based on his skin color but because he'
s on the right side of the issues. Is my argument too strong for you?

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Your questions is "Is it not racist to vote for or against someone based on his skin color"? I answered your question very factually that people won't be voting for or against President Obama based on his skin color but because he'
s on the right side of the issues. Is my argument too strong for you?

Now that there is funny...a bit sad also....but funny !!

Off to put on ignore

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Why would any African American, hispanic, woman, or gay and lesbian vote for the republican agenda? Would it be the tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires paid for by cutting all discretionary spending, the pledge to defund Planned Parenthood, the 98% of house republicans who voted no on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, the no vote on the Violence Against Women Act, the Blunt-Rubio Amendment, that failed in the senate, but would have allowed women's bosses to decide what health care women would receive?

Or would it be the 1100 bills proposed in 2011 by state legislatures across the country regulating women's health care and the state-mandated vaginal ultrasounds passed by many states?

Or would it be the pledge to roll back Don't Ask, Don't Tell? Or the pledge to rescind the Dream Act, if passed?

It doesn't matter if President Obama is black, brown, white, yellow or pink. He is on the right side of the issues, republicans are not.

I couldn't agree with you more! :clap2:

Note to Bucco -- yes, of course, there is racism on both sides. (Operative word being "both".)

I have to tell ya, I'm lovin' the cereal killer thing! :1rotfl: HEY! Wait a minute! I had some Coco Puffs go missing the other day!!! :mad: Do you think.....???

Suck it up brothah's! Obama's going to win. The Republicans don't even have a candidate! :spoken:

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Chelsea is 100% right as is Jancmn. Thanks for your posts. They were excellent.

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Jancmn,great post. The usual Bucco response when he has no facts to repudiate the post....make fun of the poster.

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No matter what the topic (skin color, what they call themselves, racism, etc.) we are so lucky to have these fine conservative men and women to attempt to put free-thinking women and men in their place. This forum is even more fortunate to have fine free-thinking liberal women to prevent that from happening! Nice job ladies. I just love free-thinking women. :pepper2::pepper2::pepper2:

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No matter what the topic (skin color, what they call themselves, racism, etc.) we are so lucky to have these fine conservative men and women to attempt to put free-thinking women and men in their place. This forum is even more fortunate to have fine free-thinking liberal women to prevent that from happening! Nice job ladies. I just love free-thinking women. :pepper2::pepper2::pepper2:

YET....those you refer to NEVER EVER discuss issues facing this country. They respond only when there is race or something personal involved.

SOMEONE, SOMEDAY has to face the actual issues facing this country. NOONE is being put "into their place" although come to think of it, that is a very famaliar phrase that I heard from the same side of the fence in 2008.

I have always enjoyed discussing issues involved in politics...NEVER enjoyed discussing those personal and family issues. It appears that cannot happen here. YES, I am opposed to the current administration, because they do not tell the truth, they are mysterious, they are motivated by POLITICS ONLY, they pander at the lowest level. Having said that, I have also spoke in a positive about this administration at times. I NEVER hear those you applaud talk about real issues, and have ONLY heard them cheer 100% of everything this administration has done.

Thankfully, I have honest, hardworking friends, etc. who enjoy open and honest discussion of issues facing this country and do not vote blindly, who learn from discussion on the issues, who do not idolize any political figure and certainly never even consider that one particular party has all the answers because that is ludicrous at best although, based on posts, feel exactly that way.

The polarization in this country is because of those you applaud; the fact that I oppose this administration does not make me any of the names that those folks you applaud throw around. I feel strongly about what I feel, BUT I listen, but I do not listen to snippy comments aimed at individuals or parties, but will listen to anyone who can discuss the issues that need to be resolved and cannot be resolved with blind loyalty

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the dems didn't have a candidate in 2008 and they seem to have been able to pull it off.

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the dems didn't have a candidate in 2008 and they seem to have been able to pull it off.

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"The dems didn't have a candidate in 2008". Your post makes absolutely no sense. What do you call Senators Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, and John Edwards, Governor Richardson and Congressman Kusinich?

You probably meant to say the republicans have no candidate in 2012.

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y'all don't like it much when the same cut is taken against your folks.

I only applied the same logic you all use where it does not matter who is running the cutting commentary is no different.

Doncha hate one way streets?

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I think the best description of the Republican candidates this season has been "like a bunch of clowns that just keep coming out of the little car."

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This thread is getting super idiotic with no intelligence evident, so this post is "closed" for me. Have fun children.

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As an American President once say, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Good advice.

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I have edited a post to reflect my view of how it should read to be accurate.

Original:

"...I think the best description of the Republican candidates this season has been "like a bunch of clowns that just keep coming out of the little car."..."

The more accurate phrasing:

I think the best description of ANY political candidates for any office, any season is "like a bunch of clowns that just keep coming out of the little car.

Please stop wasting your time and keystrokes trying to convince any lucid person that a certain following of politicians are anything other than what they ALL are......me first politicians.

There is absolutely no distinction other than the R or D designation. There are no degrees of clownness.

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