A Mess in Lynnhaven

[bestmickey]

My vacation recently started in TV. I am looking around at different areas of TV and since I recalled some previous posts regarding some complaints of deed compliance violations, I'm just driving around to view some of those noted. The first one I drove by is in Lynnhaven, Livingston Loop. To see what the issues were I'll give the link to some previous posts on the topic: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/when-build-out-ends-49597/index3.html See Post #25, with some others after that.

If the above link doesn't work directly, I suggest you cut/paste it into your browser.

What an ugly mess this is! barf The people put some type of fake grass or an indoor/outdoor carpet on a section of the front lawn (I don't think that meets anyone's deed compliance based on other posts I've read of fake grass). The homeowners also put a pretty large rectangle of some sort of mulch, nothing of much design, and it's more towards the street than it is the home. There's a bench sitting out there. I'm not certain of all what deed compliance issues are there, but previous posters on the topic said there are many. If I understood things correctly, I think it was said that as the home currently "sits", there's not enough percentage of sod out front. All I can say is, it's ugly.

I fully recognize we all have different opinions of what is ugly versus what is beautiful. But as a potential (eventual) Villager, I'm wondering why, if these are deed compliance violations, why isn't The Village Deed Compliance Unit (or whatever the official name of the group is) doing something about it? After all, previous posters indicated that complaints were filed about the home. I sure would hate to have those people as my neighbor. As the saying goes, "There goes the neighborhood". Who else in the area nearby sees this mess (in my opinion), and will choose to do something similar of their own design? Heck, if deed compliance violations aren't dealt with, what's to stop anyone from doing whatever they want? I would think some property values in the nearby homes are going to suffer. I am personally in favor of regulations for maintaining homes. That insures that properties maintain their $$ value. That would be very important for me.

What can you do in such a situation, since it appears TV is not being responsive to complaints? I'm not a sue-happy person and never have sued anyone. But, my property values are important to me. If the Deed Compliance Unit doesn't resolve the problem(s), can you sue The Villages because of lack of enforcement? Or, what could you do? :rant-rave:

[villages07]

Mickey,

It's been a while since I read the full deed compliance notification/enforcement process, but, it's several cycles of notices before the CDD steps in to take action and bill the homeowner.

Suggest you go to the districtgov.org website and browse through the procedures. You might also try to find the agenda/minutes for the numbered CDD that Lynnhaven sits in (my guess is either 5 or 6) and see what discussion the CDD board has had about this situation. If you're that curious you could call the CDD office and inquire... on the basis of being a prospective homeowner and having concerns about the compliance process.

As you can see, this situation is a rarity, but, it can happen. I don't ever foresee this becoming widespread. I am confident that this home/property will eventually be brought into compliance.

[bestmickey]

Mickey,

It's been a while since I read the full deed compliance notification/enforcement process, but, it's several cycles of notices before the CDD steps in to take action and bill the homeowner.

Suggest you go to the districtgov.org website and browse through the procedures. You might also try to find the agenda/minutes for the numbered CDD that Lynnhaven sits in (my guess is either 5 or 6) and see what discussion the CDD board has had about this situation. If you're that curious you could call the CDD office and inquire... on the basis of being a prospective homeowner and having concerns about the compliance process.

As you can see, this situation is a rarity, but, it can happen. I don't ever foresee this becoming widespread. I am confident that this home/property will eventually be brought into compliance.


Thanks Villages07! I'll try to find the minutes of the meetings. I don't feel comfortable calling the deed compliance unit since I don't anticipate purchasing for another couple years.

Rest assured, I will be watching the situation very closely, and would hope that nearby neighbors keep us all informed of any updates via this website.

[PennBF]

Regarding Deed Compliance, etc. The Village Gov. office will not take
action on anything unless there is a complaint. They do not independently
take action but will if there is a complaint. It would be good to call Janet
Tutt or Community Watch (352-753-0550) and action will be taken. You
can also call Community Standards 352-751-6719. I don't think you need to give your name, etc. Community service is 352-753-4508.:wave:

[elevatorman]

Here is the link to the District 5 procedure for a complaint. http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Standards/images/compliance-standards/District5-Matrix.pdf

[njbchbum]

what other messes have you found here in tv while on your vacation? are you having any fun yet? hope you get to do more than just drive around! but, i daresay, if all you have time for on this vacation is driving around...you might want to check out the beauty rather than the mess...new flowers are being planted all around...again!

[Skybo]

Seriously? You drove around, found a home with landscaping that you didn’t like, composed a scathing review of their landscaping...and then posted their street address on a pubic message board?!?

[rhood]

Smacks of vigilantsm ! !

[GaryW]

Seriously? You drove around, found a home with landscaping that you didn’t like, composed a scathing review of their landscaping...and then posted their street address on a pubic message board?!?

:22yikes:

[graciegirl]

[quote=bestmickey;475008]Thanks Villages07! I'll try to find the minutes of the meetings. I don't feel comfortable calling the deed compliance unit since I don't anticipate purchasing for another couple years.




No harm comes to the homeowner. They are informed that their property has this or that out of compliance and they change it.

We have just moved from an area that we lived for a long time that had deed restrictions. It is a good thing.

I just reread all of the posts and the OP did give the address. I agree that isn't a good thing to do.

[NotGolfer]

So let me get this right...you're on vacation and not set to "live" here for at least 2 more years BUT you're worried about a neighborhood that doesn't even impact you (because you don't LIVE here)! Why are you posting this and also putting up someone's address? I would think THIS would be an infraction and that this thread would be removed!!! Unbelieveable!!!! :(

[graciegirl]

I edited my above post because I didn't completely read the original post that gave the address. I agree that wasn't a good thing to do.

If something is out of compliance and you think it is just TOO much or it is really unsightly, you should call. I know I hate tattling and I wish that the Villages Watch would do it.

If only everyone had really a good eye or really good taste...like we all think we do, then the restrictions wouldn't have to be there. One persons beauty is another persons yucky.

One of the reasons this place is so beautiful are the deed restrictions.

[nitehawk]

member since june 2007 = 5 years ---- 640 posts ---- vacation -renting? or your 5th preview? Maybe you really next door and you dont want to call deed compliance --- i am confused

[Moderator]

To be fair, the OP is following up on an issue that was posted a month or so ago about a home in disrepair. In that thread, the street name was listed but not the specific address.

The gist of this thread is to assure that the deed compliance process has teeth to correct problems.

For consistency, the specific street address will be removed.

As always, please address the topic and not the person.

[Posh 08]

My vacation recently started in TV. I am looking around at different areas of TV and since I recalled some previous posts regarding some complaints of deed compliance violations, I'm just driving around to view some of those noted. The first one I drove by is in Lynnhaven, Livingston Loop. To see what the issues were I'll give the link to some previous posts on the topic: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/when-build-out-ends-49597/index3.html See Post #25, with some others after that.

If the above link doesn't work directly, I suggest you cut/paste it into your browser.

What an ugly mess this is! barf The people put some type of fake grass or an indoor/outdoor carpet on a section of the front lawn (I don't think that meets anyone's deed compliance based on other posts I've read of fake grass). The homeowners also put a pretty large rectangle of some sort of mulch, nothing of much design, and it's more towards the street than it is the home. There's a bench sitting out there. I'm not certain of all what deed compliance issues are there, but previous posters on the topic said there are many. If I understood things correctly, I think it was said that as the home currently "sits", there's not enough percentage of sod out front. All I can say is, it's ugly.

I fully recognize we all have different opinions of what is ugly versus what is beautiful. But as a potential (eventual) Villager, I'm wondering why, if these are deed compliance violations, why isn't The Village Deed Compliance Unit (or whatever the official name of the group is) doing something about it? After all, previous posters indicated that complaints were filed about the home. I sure would hate to have those people as my neighbor. As the saying goes, "There goes the neighborhood". Who else in the area nearby sees this mess (in my opinion), and will choose to do something similar of their own design? Heck, if deed compliance violations aren't dealt with, what's to stop anyone from doing whatever they want? I would think some property values in the nearby homes are going to suffer. I am personally in favor of regulations for maintaining homes. That insures that properties maintain their $$ value. That would be very important for me.

What can you do in such a situation, since it appears TV is not being responsive to complaints? I'm not a sue-happy person and never have sued anyone. But, my property values are important to me. If the Deed Compliance Unit doesn't resolve the problem(s), can you sue The Villages because of lack of enforcement? Or, what could you do? :rant-rave:

Thanks for taking the time out of your vacation to scout out problem areas for us folks that don't swallow everything some of the folks on TOTV dish out. You must believe in doing your homework before jumping in.

[graciegirl]

Thanks for taking the time out of your vacation to scout out problem areas for us folks that don't swallow everything some of the folks on TOTV dish out. You must believe in doing your homework before jumping in.

To those folks reading this forum and gaining information, and that was myself four years ago, I don't blame you for being suspicious. Most of you are so incredulous because it is just too great to be believed. You have never done anything as impulsive in your whole life as coming here and falling in love with the place and buying sometimes on your first visit.

When I was doing my research on this place, and posting my suspicions on this forum I stepped on many a toe and was called a troll, and really got bashed and flamed and beat up on because I just thought the posters must be working for the developer except those who were working for the competition.

You "about to be's" can't be faulted for trying to find out what's wrong with The Villages. Us Frogs know that there are things not perfect, but it is way better than most of us could ever have imagined.

And even now some people have accused me of working for the developer.

Hear that Mr. Morse? Please send a check.

[PennBF]

Should never shoot the messenger. If they are right then they provided
help to The Villager's who rely on information.:BigApplause:

[Posh 08]

To those folks reading this forum and gaining information, and that was myself four years ago, I don't blame you for being suspicious. Most of you are so incredulous because it is just too great to be believed. You have never done anything as impulsive in your whole life as coming here and falling in love with the place and buying sometimes on your first visit.

When I was doing my research on this place, and posting my suspicions on this forum I stepped on many a toe and was called a troll, and really got bashed and flamed and beat up on because I just thought the posters must be working for the developer except those who were working for the competition.

You "about to be's" can't be faulted for trying to find out what's wrong with The Villages. Us Frogs know that there are things not perfect, but it is way better than most of us could ever have imagined.

And even now some people have accused me of working for the developer.

Hear that Mr. Morse? Please send a check.

I wish they would release the LSVs for June. Plan on spending my time there figuring out which CC neighborhood I want :kiss: BTW does Havana have a pool?

[bestmickey]

I'm angry that folks continue to address the messenger and not the message. I've seen this happen much too frequently to many people on this site. Get a life people! You don't live in heaven .... YET.

Perhaps you continue to attack the messengers rather than the messages, because you failed reading comprehension? Perhaps you don't understand that a message/topic is about the MESSAGE/TOPIC ... and NOT about the messenger/poster!

YES, I ALWAYS do LOT of research when it comes to major decisions I need to make.

And, NOT that it's any of your business, BUT, I have visited TV many times ... and NOT on TV's preview plans. I pay full price to privately rent homes while I'm here. It's my VACATION!

And, YES I have visited TV many times and am still not ready to relocate. Again, not that it's your damn business, but a sibling's health has caused delays in me doing lots of things. I need and want to take care of him since he took care of me when my father died when I was only 1 yr and 2 wks old. Having a total of 8 children in our family, no father, he quiit school and went out to work to take care of all of us! Now it's my turn! Yeah, I have many other siblings, but you know how it frequently goes, there's typically lots of people who disappear when problems arise and solutions are left to the few.

Now that I've educated all you personal attackers, you can go to he_ _. I hope to hear from people who wish to discuss the TOPIC noted herein. It's about properties holding their value ... and whether or not The Villages developer will support homeowners in maintaining their value!

No, I'm not going to quit posting like some others have in the past. I HAVE A RIGHT TO MY OPINION AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK!

[Bonny]

My vacation recently started in TV. I am looking around at different areas of TV and since I recalled some previous posts regarding some complaints of deed compliance violations, I'm just driving around to view some of those noted. The first one I drove by is in Lynnhaven, Livingston Loop. To see what the issues were I'll give the link to some previous posts on the topic: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/when-build-out-ends-49597/index3.html See Post #25, with some others after that.

If the above link doesn't work directly, I suggest you cut/paste it into your browser.

What an ugly mess this is! barf The people put some type of fake grass or an indoor/outdoor carpet on a section of the front lawn (I don't think that meets anyone's deed compliance based on other posts I've read of fake grass). The homeowners also put a pretty large rectangle of some sort of mulch, nothing of much design, and it's more towards the street than it is the home. There's a bench sitting out there. I'm not certain of all what deed compliance issues are there, but previous posters on the topic said there are many. If I understood things correctly, I think it was said that as the home currently "sits", there's not enough percentage of sod out front. All I can say is, it's ugly.

I fully recognize we all have different opinions of what is ugly versus what is beautiful. But as a potential (eventual) Villager, I'm wondering why, if these are deed compliance violations, why isn't The Village Deed Compliance Unit (or whatever the official name of the group is) doing something about it? After all, previous posters indicated that complaints were filed about the home. I sure would hate to have those people as my neighbor. As the saying goes, "There goes the neighborhood". Who else in the area nearby sees this mess (in my opinion), and will choose to do something similar of their own design? Heck, if deed compliance violations aren't dealt with, what's to stop anyone from doing whatever they want? I would think some property values in the nearby homes are going to suffer. I am personally in favor of regulations for maintaining homes. That insures that properties maintain their $$ value. That would be very important for me.

What can you do in such a situation, since it appears TV is not being responsive to complaints? I'm not a sue-happy person and never have sued anyone. But, my property values are important to me. If the Deed Compliance Unit doesn't resolve the problem(s), can you sue The Villages because of lack of enforcement? Or, what could you do? :rant-rave:

I'm sorry... You don't live here, you're on vacation, and you are driving around looking for messy places, and then even bring up the word sue ? And then you give the address !! I don't get it !

[angiefox10]

The messenger comes on, as another poster pointed out, picking apart a landscaping.

This is why when someone posts on TOTV about their landscaping or anything else like this, I ask for a picture. What one person likes another does not.

I for one like artificial turf and in some states you get credits for putting it in. I know California is one of them. We are running out of water and so turf is a "green" alternative.

The problem with turf, it's it's so perfect, it makes "real sod" pale in comparison. If my neighbor put in turf and I didn't, my lawn would NEVER compare.

That being said, my neighbor could get rid of his water bill and his lawn care bill and recoup his money rather quickly while his lawn would always look lovely.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=artificial%20turf%20lawn&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=625&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=gmV8T7T1G8KCtgfT0JXbDA

[senior citizen]

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[bestmickey]

I'm sorry... You don't live here, you're on vacation, and you are driving around looking for messy places, and then even bring up the word sue ? And then you give the address !! I don't get it !

Well, I can't give you a reading comprehension lesson.

[bestmickey]

The messenger comes on, as another poster pointed out, picking apart a landscaping.

This is why when someone posts on TOTV about their landscaping or anything else like this, I ask for a picture. What one person likes another does not.

I for one like artificial turf and in some states you get credits for putting it in. I know California is one of them. We are running out of water and so turf is a "green" alternative.

The problem with turf, it's it's so perfect, it makes "real sod" pale in comparison. If my neighbor put in turf and I didn't, my lawn would NEVER compare.

That being said, my neighbor could get rid of his water bill and his lawn care bill and recoup his money rather quickly while his lawn would always look lovely.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=artificial%20turf%20lawn&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=625&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=gmV8T7T1G8KCtgfT0JXbDA


You also don't comprehend. Artificial grass is NOT allowed per deed compliance, which was required in the contract you signed when you purchased your home. Artificial grass is NOT the issue here. Deed compliance and potential property value are the issues.

If homeowners aren't forced to comply with the contracts they signed, there is great potential for property values to sink. You see, the purpose of deed compliance and contracts is to insure that properties are maintained in the same fashion as the developer designed for The Villages. If you didn't like the regulations, you shouldn't have purchased a home in a community that has regulations in place. This is potentially my life's savings. You may be able to afford the loss, but I can't.

[angiefox10]

I totally understand what you are saying re the artificial turf as relates to water shortages plus perhaps in an arrid dry climate.

We have family who have stones or pebbles on their front lawn due to living in the desert southwest and experiencing terrible water shortages.

We know friends who have stones on their front lawn at the Jersey shore, living on a canal. Low maintenance plus hard to keep grass green near salt water and salt air.

We have family in Colorado who put down one patch of very green astro turf for their child's play area..........again, the rest of the property is real grass, but due to dry climate, hard to keep GREEN and lush.

That being said, we also know people who just don't understand "stones" on a front lawn nor astro turf in general. Those who live in places with water restrictions do "get it"........also perhaps people who go between two homes and want a low maintenance, no landscaper type property.

We have other family in landscaping business who only put sod in, where up here it's purely grass seed and fertilizer.

Right now all of our grounds are bright emerald green, having turned early this year due to the week of mid 80 degree temps.

Everything is in bloom early......and no need for astro turf.

I wasn't aware of this as in Sanibel we are under severe water restrictions and there is talk of closing Bonifay golf course do to it. We can only water once a week here and haven't received enough rain this spring for the population. Am I misunderstanding something?

You also don't comprehend. Artificial grass is NOT allowed per deed compliance, which was required in the contract you signed when you purchased your home. Artificial grass is NOT the issue here. Deed compliance and potential property value are the issues.

If homeowners aren't forced to comply with the contracts they signed, there is great potential for property values to sink. You see, the purpose of deed compliance and contracts is to insure that properties are maintained in the same fashion as the developer designed for The Villages. If you didn't like the regulations, you shouldn't have purchased a home in a community that has regulations in place. This is potentially my life's savings. You may be able to afford the loss, but I can't.

Yes, I do understand the restrictions and wasn't suggesting that someone put artificial turf on their lawn here or that someone would not comply with the rules. I was stating that what one person thinks is "ugly" someone else might not. I was also pointing out how many states are encouraging people to put in the turf as a "green" alternative. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post.

I'm also under the impression that different parts of the villages have different rules. Is this not true as well?

[Oren L Miller]

Well, I can't give you a reading comprehension lesson.

I'm sorry that you seem to be very angry. You attacked someones property in an open forum and then gave some logic as to why you were not living here and wanted everyone to accept that. You didn't ask the people that had the "messy yard" if maybe that had some reason that things didn't go well for them as far as their yard. I truly love this forum but as the moderator suggested lets attack problems - when needed and not people. I truly am sorry that you seem to be angry and may be having a bad day. I hope it gets better for you soon.

[bestmickey]

It's clear people want to address why I passed by the home and want question why I posted my initial inquiry here.

It's unfortunate that those who apparently represent, are friends with the developer, and/or perhaps are home sales people, continue to ignore the real issues raised. Well, I explained the purpose of my doing all this. I know my language was clear, for those who can read and understand English.

These issues are, or should be, of importance to most of us who are considering a relocation to The Villages. I have the luxury of time to follow this particular deed compliance issue before I decide whether or not to make a purchase. My guess is other interested parties don't have the luxury of time to wait-and-see what happens. I will be following the meeting minutes to see if action is ever taken and if the issue is ever resolved. That is, if they ever update the minutes for District 5. Here it is April, and the last minutes published on-line are from January. And yes, I will again drive by this home before I leave from my vacation, to visually detect if there has been a change.

Have a nice day everyone! I'm on my way out to do the same.

[Oren L Miller]

[QUOTE=bestmickey;475184]It's clear people want to address why I passed by the home and want question why I posted my initial inquiry here.

It's unfortunate that those who apparently represent, are friends with the developer, and/or perhaps are home sales people, continue to ignore the real issues raised. Well, I explained the purpose of my doing all this. I know my language was clear, for those who can read and understand English.

Again, I am sorry you have to insult people and question people's abilities to read and understand English. Please have a wonderful day out looking around for your eventual place to retire to. Remember - there are places other than The Villages that have people that can read and understand English really well that may be more suitable for you.

[Posh 08]

The messenger comes on, as another poster pointed out, picking apart a landscaping.

This is why when someone posts on TOTV about their landscaping or anything else like this, I ask for a picture. What one person likes another does not.

I for one like artificial turf and in some states you get credits for putting it in. I know California is one of them. We are running out of water and so turf is a "green" alternative.

The problem with turf, it's it's so perfect, it makes "real sod" pale in comparison. If my neighbor put in turf and I didn't, my lawn would NEVER compare.

That being said, my neighbor could get rid of his water bill and his lawn care bill and recoup his money rather quickly while his lawn would always look lovely.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=artificial%20turf%20lawn&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=625&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=gmV8T7T1G8KCtgfT0JXbDA

Looked at the link. If this forum had a "like" button I'd hit it.

[njbchbum]

I'm angry that folks continue to address the messenger and not the message. I've seen this happen much too frequently to many people on this site. Get a life people! You don't live in heaven .... YET.

Perhaps you continue to attack the messengers rather than the messages, because you failed reading comprehension? Perhaps you don't understand that a message/topic is about the MESSAGE/TOPIC ... and NOT about the messenger/poster!

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I HAVE A RIGHT TO MY OPINION AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK!


bestmickey - perhaps readers here [like myself] found your original [and subsequent] posts provocative...and felt that the issue of deed compliance could have been addressed without the specifics such as the address. a post re JUST the issue of deed compliance might have alleviated the attack on the messenger.

most of us leave our provocative posts for the political forum! :D

just my opinion, ya know? here's hoping that you are finding some fun stuff to do while you are here on vacation........

[Bonny]

Well, I can't give you a reading comprehension lesson.
Your postings sound so angry !! I comprehend just fine.

[ilovetv]

The messenger has been shot in this thread. Seems to me a person WOULD be angry after being "shot", while the message containing "why is TV and community watch etc. not doing anything about the eyesore" is being ignored.

I don't agree with posting the address either, but the "anger" on the side attacking the o.p. is just as bad.

[downeaster]

This thread is a good example of "pilling on".

[Posh 08]

This thread is a good example of "pilling on".

Yep, too many pills can make a person not be themselves. :22yikes:

[lovesports]

This thread is a good example of "pilling on".
People who don't know a thing about the history of these owners.

Live near this house and it is a complete junkyard. Whole neighborhood is fed up with it. People choose to live here to escape this kind of mess. If you want your yard to look like this move out...

[Posh 08]

People who don't know a thing about the history of these owners.

Live near this house and it is a complete junkyard. Whole neighborhood is fed up with it. People choose to live here to escape this kind of mess. If you want your yard to look like this move out...

Have ya'll contacted the appropriate folks to get it "fixed"? This is an important question to me. If it can't be fixed that goes on my Con List. Thanks.

[lovesports]

I moved from the neighborhood a year ago but still drive by this house. Plus my old neighborhood friends give me updates.

Yes, they have made many complaints and the deed compliance has been notified.

I'll ask next time I see an old neighbor what if anything has been done. I'm like Mickey, I drive by and don't see any change. As a matter of fact, more has been added like a big old wooden something-maybe back of a big chair in the pile of mess that is built up in the front yard.
There are blocks all over, stuff (decorations) on the shutters and porch.

I totally believe in leaving people alone but this is over the top.

Leaving for dinner so leaving totv.

[downeaster]

Yep, too many pills can make a person not be themselves. :22yikes:

I checked before using. It is "pile-ing".

[rhood]

The district is obliged to enforce covenants and restrictions. If they don't, sue them.

[Oren L Miller]

A picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe someone could post a pic so all of us can see it???? :22yikes:

[bestmickey]

Your postings sound so angry !! I comprehend just fine.


You bet they are. That's how I respond when I'm attacked ... which I was.

The topic wasn't addressed. Instead, I was under attack.

I'm not one to back down when I'm attacked. Nor am I typically an angry person.

For those of you who don't want me as a (potential) neighbor, tough. IF I ultimately decide TV is for me, I will move here. You and I don't have to speak or meet. You can be assured, however, that I WILL follow deed compliance regs and all other regs/rules/laws I won't have a negative impact on your property values.

[BobandMarilyn]

It may not be appropriate to shoot the messenger, but they may need to be worked over a bit. I am constantly amazed the homes are as well kept as they are. In a town of 80+ thousand people, some of whom are part timers, some yards will need attention.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

A picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe someone could post a pic so all of us can see it???? :22yikes:

I second the motion. :highfive: Or even multiple pics!

Bill :)

[graciegirl]

I second the motion. :highfive: Or even multiple pics!

Bill :)

Yes. Take a picture and let us decide if it is crummy. Although that would be embarassing to the owners too. So don't.

One of the posters on this thread sure sounds like an old pal of mine who just loves me to pieces.:( You know who you are.

NOthing can be gained by being mean. NOTHING. Play nice.

[CarGuys]

One picture worth a 1000 words right? I cannot believe if the violiation is a Flagrant one as per TV rules why it has developed into this?

Although my friend in Spansih Springs had to endure an sad situition. An alcholic neighbor holed up inside his house. Stange cars and people coming and going all times of the day and evening. Lawn dead full of weeds. Garbage piled up in the garage for almost two years. Many police visits.

Guess it got worked out as this year when I visited it looked much nicer . But I remember it was upsetting to the neighborhood.

[graciegirl]

My vacation recently started in TV. I am looking around at different areas of TV and since I recalled some previous posts regarding some complaints of deed compliance violations, I'm just driving around to view some of those noted. The first one I drove by is in Lynnhaven, Livingston Loop. To see what the issues were I'll give the link to some previous posts on the topic: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/when-build-out-ends-49597/index3.html See Post #25, with some others after that.

If the above link doesn't work directly, I suggest you cut/paste it into your browser.

What an ugly mess this is! barf The people put some type of fake grass or an indoor/outdoor carpet on a section of the front lawn (I don't think that meets anyone's deed compliance based on other posts I've read of fake grass). The homeowners also put a pretty large rectangle of some sort of mulch, nothing of much design, and it's more towards the street than it is the home. There's a bench sitting out there. I'm not certain of all what deed compliance issues are there, but previous posters on the topic said there are many. If I understood things correctly, I think it was said that as the home currently "sits", there's not enough percentage of sod out front. All I can say is, it's ugly.

I fully recognize we all have different opinions of what is ugly versus what is beautiful. But as a potential (eventual) Villager, I'm wondering why, if these are deed compliance violations, why isn't The Village Deed Compliance Unit (or whatever the official name of the group is) doing something about it? After all, previous posters indicated that complaints were filed about the home. I sure would hate to have those people as my neighbor. As the saying goes, "There goes the neighborhood". Who else in the area nearby sees this mess (in my opinion), and will choose to do something similar of their own design? Heck, if deed compliance violations aren't dealt with, what's to stop anyone from doing whatever they want? I would think some property values in the nearby homes are going to suffer. I am personally in favor of regulations for maintaining homes. That insures that properties maintain their $$ value. That would be very important for me.

What can you do in such a situation, since it appears TV is not being responsive to complaints? I'm not a sue-happy person and never have sued anyone. But, my property values are important to me. If the Deed Compliance Unit doesn't resolve the problem(s), can you sue The Villages because of lack of enforcement? Or, what could you do? :rant-rave:

I drove by and saw two colors of pebbles or stones and they had some St. Patrick's day decorations out. I saw a fountain and a bench which may be against restrictions but it wasn't unkempt. Maybe not everyone would choose to do their lawn that way, but it was well maintained. I didn't like the stone edging ...two kinds and too much and hated the golfer figures on the window shutters.

[PennBF]

I did not want to comment on the complaints until/unless I actually
could write after seeing the problem. I did see the area that is being complained about and can't understand why Community Watch, Janet Tutt's
org or someone can't do anything about it as there are obvious violations of deed restrictions. It is not necessary to go over all of the alleged eye sores and there are quite a few. Given what I saw I would suggest the neighbors attend the next District CDD meeting and bring a petition to get some resolution from the CDD reps. Also, would call on Janet Tutt and demand, (not ask) for some serious attention to your issues. It will be interesting to see if they have the courage to take action and enforce the deed restrictions if they are being violated.:mornincoffee:

[graciegirl]

I did not want to comment on the complaints until/unless I actually
could write after seeing the problem. I did see the area that is being complained about and can't understand why Community Watch, Janet Tutt's
org or someone can't do anything about it as there are obvious violations of deed restrictions. It is not necessary to go over all of the alleged eye sores and there are quite a few. Given what I saw I would suggest the neighbors attend the next District CDD meeting and bring a petition to get some resolution from the CDD reps. Also, would call on Janet Tutt and demand, (not ask) for some serious attention to your issues. It will be interesting to see if they have the courage to take action and enforce the deed restrictions if they are being violated.:mornincoffee:

What did you dislike? Or rather what were deed restrictions? Dutchgirl said it wasn't that bad and that it was not neglected.

[thistrucksforyou]

A picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe someone could post a pic so all of us can see it???? :22yikes:

I agree....lets see the evidence.... :BigApplause:

[GaryW]

As far as I can see there has to be an end of the bickering here.

Here is the bottom line: If you are so upset with the yard in question, do not like how it makes the other yards look, it is degrading to the property value, it hurts all know to mankind and maybe some from other worlds........

Then maybe the following should of been done. just me thinking out loud this is.


Then you should of drove by the house,, seen the yard and stopped your car got out, and walked up to the door. Ringy dingy the door bell. Told the owner excatly what you think and asked them if they have received any complaints. Got you game on with them instead of throwing them under the bus on this forum while it was doing 60 mph and not even give them a snack at the bus stop.

Besides I think most everyone here is very intelligent and understands all. I say most because there is always that 10%.
No reason for everyone to get all out of shape over it. Take care of your business and leave it alone.

chilout

[cappyjon431]

Bestmickey, I understand that you felt "ganged up on," I understand that you retaliated in anger, I understand that you have serious concerns about deed compliance enforcement (legitimately so), I understand that you have been here (TV) multiple times, I understand that sometimes life's events make it difficult for us to move/retire when we want to (the reason we moved to TV was to care for an older relative who is living here), and I certainly understand English (taught college English for many years).

What I don't understand is why you posted the offending homeowner's address in a public forum. Why is that important to the topic? What benefit is derived from posting it in your initial post? If someone was interested in "seeing the mess for themselves" couldn't you have just PM'd the address? How would you have felt if someone didn't like your landscaping (or felt it out of compliance) and then put your address out on the internet for literally millions to see? I have read all of the posts on this thread and have yet to see any decent justification of posting the address.

I can't speak for others on this board, or not what's going through their minds, but I would be willing to bet that the initial hostility to your post had a lot to do with you publishing someone's address on the internet. IMHO, that is wrong. Your post would have been much less hostile sounding if the address was left out and you had focused on the topic of deed compliance.

[bestmickey]

Bestmickey, I understand that you felt "ganged up on," I understand that you retaliated in anger, I understand that you have serious concerns about deed compliance enforcement (legitimately so), I understand that you have been here (TV) multiple times, I understand that sometimes life's events make it difficult for us to move/retire when we want to (the reason we moved to TV was to care for an older relative who is living here), and I certainly understand English (taught college English for many years).

What I don't understand is why you posted the offending homeowner's address in a public forum. Why is that important to the topic? What benefit is derived from posting it in your initial post? If someone was interested in "seeing the mess for themselves" couldn't you have just PM'd the address? How would you have felt if someone didn't like your landscaping (or felt it out of compliance) and then put your address out on the internet for literally millions to see? I have read all of the posts on this thread and have yet to see any decent justification of posting the address.

I can't speak for others on this board, or not what's going through their minds, but I would be willing to bet that the initial hostility to your post had a lot to do with you publishing someone's address on the internet. IMHO, that is wrong. Your post would have been much less hostile sounding if the address was left out and you had focused on the topic of deed compliance.


Cappy, the concern about the specific address, I can understand. In hindsight, I can agree that was over the top, and I am fine with the fact that the Moderator removed that from the post. After all, the o.p. from ~ a month ago gave enough of a direction that people could find the home if they wished. After all, that's how I was able to find it.

I appreciate that you address that specific issue (street address) the way you have. If that was the thing that made everyone attack me, it would have been nice if someone had addressed the issue (street address) in specifics, like you have. I have no problem admitting when I've made a mistake.

And, for those who wondered why I drove by this home, and so early in my vacation. It was something I planned to do while down here, after having read of the issue ~ one month ago. The first couple days I'm down here, that's all I do is ride around on the cart because I have to give some time for ankle swelling (from the flight) to go down, before I can spend a lot of time on my feet, golfing. So, I made the trip part of my ride.

This will be my last word on the topic. Those who want to continue to attack can. I don't and won't value your opinion anyway, and you're free to feel the same about me.

[PennBF]

Regarding the request that after seeing the property that I identify what I did not like or were deed restrictions. Under normal circumstances I would do that however there are so many that enjoy being negative, will not add to the discussion but add snyde remarks, shoot the messenger, etc that I would have to be crazy to give a specific opinion as to what I think are alleged violations or neighborhood eye sores. If someone wants to understand the condition go see the property for yourself and not rely on someone else and then attack them for "opinions". I continue to think that if the neighbors believe it is an eye sore or in violation of deed restrictions they should go to the next CDD meeting, call Community Watch, make a call on Janet Tutt, etc and that should/will take care of their concerns. :popcorn:

[dsned]

Take a drive over on the historic side --441, the lawns and MH look nice and neat, they do have some lawn ornaments but it just adds to the character of the place. Plus they are doing what has already been said, taking down the old and putting up new.

[graciegirl]

Take a drive over on the historic side --441, the lawns and MH look nice and neat, they do have some lawn ornaments but it just adds to the character of the place. Plus they are doing what has already been said, taking down the old and putting up new.

In that area, there are no restrictions on lawn ornamentation. There are more restrictions between 441/27 and 466. Still more restrictions south of 466.

I understand that if someone makes a complaint, the home owner will be fined unless the offending object(s) are removed or amended. Some people have had to dig up and remove structures.

The powers that be have teeth. Just point them to who and what to bite.

I have heard people called "yard nazi's" on this forum but I think that if we all know the rules and follow the rules that our common hometown is kept looking nice and pretty. I had a nice neighbor when first we moved here who had MANY pieces of lawn art. Someone called the proper number. They are not there anymore and her yard is even more beautiful now.

Some people have not lived where there are deed restrictions before, some people don't think that it matters, some people don't care, some people will be annoyed when they are told that they have to change, and some people will be surprised and embarassed. But the rules are there and will be enforced. However, it is complaint driven.

Deed restrictions are good in my view.

[Taltarzac725]

I drove by this home on Livingston Loop and agreed it is in bad need of some new sod and does have a bench nearer the street than it probably should be.

The address is not needed though to locate it as long as you know it is on Livingston Loop it is very easy to locate just by driving down Livingston Loop.

Cannot see though why one house on this street would cause property values to drop. My guess is that the deed compliance people probably have already talked to these home owners.

[missypie]

I have this" vision in my head" that some very old lady lives in this house and she can no longer care for her home...remember this is just a vision.....She is shunned by her neighbors and her kids have nothing to do with her.

Now where I live, we would knock on the door, find out what the deal is and then gather up a slew of people and help her out....remember this is just my vision from where I am which is not yet in TV.

[Taltarzac725]

I have this" vision in my head" that some very old lady lives in this house and she can no longer care for her home...remember this is just a vision.....She is shunned by her neighbors and her kids have nothing to do with her.

Now where I live, we would knock on the door, find out what the deal is and then gather up a slew of people and help her out....remember this is just my vision from where I am which is not yet in TV.

Only if the very old lady drives a SUV. There was a vehicle in the driveway when I drove by the morning. Actually except for the poorly taken sod the house looked quite nice. The problem just could be something like chinch bugs or a bad landscaper.

[Bogie Shooter]

My vacation recently started in TV. I am looking around at different areas of TV and since I recalled some previous posts regarding some complaints of deed compliance violations, I'm just driving around to view some of those noted. The first one I drove by is in Lynnhaven, Livingston Loop. To see what the issues were I'll give the link to some previous posts on the topic: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/when-build-out-ends-49597/index3.html See Post #25, with some others after that.

If the above link doesn't work directly, I suggest you cut/paste it into your browser.

What an ugly mess this is! barf The people put some type of fake grass or an indoor/outdoor carpet on a section of the front lawn (I don't think that meets anyone's deed compliance based on other posts I've read of fake grass). The homeowners also put a pretty large rectangle of some sort of mulch, nothing of much design, and it's more towards the street than it is the home. There's a bench sitting out there. I'm not certain of all what deed compliance issues are there, but previous posters on the topic said there are many. If I understood things correctly, I think it was said that as the home currently "sits", there's not enough percentage of sod out front. All I can say is, it's ugly.

I fully recognize we all have different opinions of what is ugly versus what is beautiful. But as a potential (eventual) Villager, I'm wondering why, if these are deed compliance violations, why isn't The Village Deed Compliance Unit (or whatever the official name of the group is) doing something about it? After all, previous posters indicated that complaints were filed about the home. I sure would hate to have those people as my neighbor. As the saying goes, "There goes the neighborhood". Who else in the area nearby sees this mess (in my opinion), and will choose to do something similar of their own design? Heck, if deed compliance violations aren't dealt with, what's to stop anyone from doing whatever they want? I would think some property values in the nearby homes are going to suffer. I am personally in favor of regulations for maintaining homes. That insures that properties maintain their $$ value. That would be very important for me.

What can you do in such a situation, since it appears TV is not being responsive to complaints? I'm not a sue-happy person and never have sued anyone. But, my property values are important to me. If the Deed Compliance Unit doesn't resolve the problem(s), can you sue The Villages because of lack of enforcement? Or, what could you do? :rant-rave:

If this situation was some much concern to you, why didn't you just call the appropriate people to find out why the property was in the state you observed? Posting the question as you did on TOTV didn't and hasn't given you answers you seeked.
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Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912
Fax: 352-751-6707
Email Deed Compliance

Email Architectural Review

Business Hours:
8am to 5pm, EST
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Excluding Holidays
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Village Community Development Districts (Main Office)
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Phone: (352) 751-3939
Fax: (352) 753-6430

Janet Y. Tutt, District Manager
janet.tutt@districtgov.org

[Posh 08]

If this situation was some much concern to you, why didn't you just call the appropriate people to find out why the property was in the state you observed? Posting the question as you did on TOTV didn't and hasn't given you answers you seeked.
----------------------
Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912
Fax: 352-751-6707
Email Deed Compliance

Email Architectural Review

Business Hours:
8am to 5pm, EST
Monday – Friday
Excluding Holidays
----------------------
Village Community Development Districts (Main Office)
3201 Wedgewood Lane
The Villages, FL 32162
Phone: (352) 751-3939
Fax: (352) 753-6430

Janet Y. Tutt, District Manager
janet.tutt@districtgov.org

I don't see any harm in asking a question on the forum. Maybe it disrupts your day? If so, don't read it. Simple.

[cappyjon431]

Cappy, the concern about the specific address, I can understand. In hindsight, I can agree that was over the top, and I am fine with the fact that the Moderator removed that from the post. After all, the o.p. from ~ a month ago gave enough of a direction that people could find the home if they wished. After all, that's how I was able to find it.

I appreciate that you address that specific issue (street address) the way you have. If that was the thing that made everyone attack me, it would have been nice if someone had addressed the issue (street address) in specifics, like you have. I have no problem admitting when I've made a mistake.

And, for those who wondered why I drove by this home, and so early in my vacation. It was something I planned to do while down here, after having read of the issue ~ one month ago. The first couple days I'm down here, that's all I do is ride around on the cart because I have to give some time for ankle swelling (from the flight) to go down, before I can spend a lot of time on my feet, golfing. So, I made the trip part of my ride.

This will be my last word on the topic. Those who want to continue to attack can. I don't and won't value your opinion anyway, and you're free to feel the same about me.


I certainly understand your concern over enforcement of restrictions...deciding about where to invest our hard earned dollars for hopefully our last home while we enjoy our retirements is not something that should be taken lightly. You have every right to be concerned about the enforcement (or lack thereof) of these provisions and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

As far as publishing the address, it was a mistake, but I'm old enough to know that everyone on this (including me!) has made a mistake at one time or another. It's been removed and now hopefully all involved can have civil discussions about this issue.

[graciegirl]

I don't see any harm in asking a question on the forum. Maybe it disrupts your day? If so, don't read it. Simple.

Boy Howdy.

Bogie is honest, to the point, well researched and a nice person. EVERYONE is asking questions on this thread..

I just drove by it and it is not unkempt It is very well kept. The only restrictions that I think could be broached are artificial sod in one area, and a water fountain and a bench NOT under the eaves. They are allowed under the overhang of your roof.

What is so....dramatic is the bright red stones in the planting areas and the edging of the planting areas. There is a LOT of edging.

But to get to this house and surrounding this house are dozens, hundreds, thousands of homes that are perfectly in compliance. My guess is that the neighbors like these people and don't want to hurt their feelers.

[Oren L Miller]

I took a drive by also to take a look today. I noticed other people slowing down to look also. I saw at least three houses on that street that didn't match my personal tastes and all had possible deed restriction violations. I think people do have the right to ask questions. I don't think anyone should be attacked on this forum. Bogie did a great job of listing the proper authorites to take the matter up with. :bigbow: Do we know if some one has done that? Is someone going to do that? Are we positive that for that address there are specific deed restictions that have been violated? Is every house on that street that has deed restriction violations all going to be reported? I'm hoping we keep a moderation of what needs to be reported and what does not. If we start a witch hunt for every little deed restriction we may not be able to keep the title of the "friendliest" community. I know of someone who lives here that gets turned in for even the tiniest of issues and that does not bode well. Time for Bogie to take a bow now!

[nitehawk]

I took a drive by also to take a look today. I noticed other people slowing down to look also. I saw at least three houses on that street that didn't match my personal tastes and all had possible deed restriction violations. I think people do have the right to ask questions. I don't think anyone should be attacked on this forum. Bogie did a great job of listing the proper authorites to take the matter up with. :bigbow: Do we know if some one has done that? Is someone going to do that? Are we positive that for that address there are specific deed restictions that have been violated? Is every house on that street that has deed restriction violations all going to be reported? I'm hoping we keep a moderation of what needs to be reported and what does not. If we start a witch hunt for every little deed restriction we may not be able to keep the title of the "friendliest" community. I know of someone who lives here that gets turned in for even the tiniest of issues and that does not bode well. Time for Bogie to take a bow now!
Why do we need to keep a moderation of what needs to be reported and what does not.
and who determines what is moderate - one pink flamingo or twenty flamingos I will report every violation I see - I dont really care if this is most friendly town - I do care about my quality of life thank you

[graciegirl]

Why do we need to keep a moderation of what needs to be reported and what does not.
and who determines what is moderate - one pink flamingo or twenty flamingos I will report every violation I see - I dont really care if this is most friendly town - I do care about my quality of life thank you









boy howdy.

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't see any harm in asking a question on the forum. Maybe it disrupts your day? If so, don't read it. Simple.

I think the harm is evident, if you go back and read the previous 58 posts!

[whippersnapper]

Maybe there could be a club. The. Violation of the Villages club. You could alll meet every morni.g and drive around the villagesleaving notes and calling neighborhood heads about yards and houses that dont meet your approval. Im sure there are pleanty that will join you out there. Ok now ready for anyone wanting to critique. My grammar. Ill be at one of the outside bars in lsl

[Taltarzac725]

Maybe there could be a club. The. Violation of the Villages club. You could alll meet every morni.g and drive around the villagesleaving notes and calling neighborhood heads about yards and houses that dont meet your approval. Im sure there are pleanty that will join you out there. Ok now ready for anyone wanting to critique. My grammar. Ill be at one of the outside bars in lsl

There does not seem to be a grammar police on TOTV that I know of anyway.

Could we call this group "the pink flamingo brigade"? How about "the garden gnome commandos?" Or, "the garden troll tweeters"?

[joanna]

:just close your eyes on passing these houses
unless your driving

[swimdawg]

There does not seem to be a grammar police on TOTV that I know of anyway.

Could we call this group "the pink flamingo brigade"? How about "the garden gnome commandos?" Or, "the garden troll tweeters"?

Horrors! Did someone say, "troll"???? I thought the trolls were history! ;)