Leaving TV in disgust

[barb1191]

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.

Back to Boston area where we find the medical profession choose the Hippocratic Oath over big business at the expense of their patients.

Our experience and opinion; that's all.

[Taltarzac725]

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.

Back to Boston area where we find the medical profession choose the Hippocratic Oath over big business at the expense of their patients.

Our experience and opinion; that's all.

I have had some extremely bad experiences with medical providers in Florida too but these were all in Pinellas County.

Wish you luck in Boston.

[OldDave]

Sorry to hear the pain in your post. I think most of us feel more like meat than people regardless of where we go for docs. I wish it wasn't so. Best of luck to you.

[CaptJohn]

Good luck to you. I have read of other bad experiences on here. Thanks for sharing.

[CarGuys]

Sorry to hear the pain in your post. I think most of us feel more like meat than people regardless of where we go for docs. I wish it wasn't so. Best of luck to you.

Sorry to hear about this. Best of Luck to you back in Bean Town! Nice area full of History and maybe the worlds worst drivers? LOL

H

[Posh 08]

Any chance of staying in TV and going North for medical attention? I feel bad for ya'll.

[lovesports]

Neighbor did the same thing. Good luck and best wishes.

[shcisamax]

This is really disheartening. I was about to go on to ask for a good doctor because I leave for Florida in a week and my doctor wouldn't give me one more prescription for thyroid medicine. He wanted to eek out the last drop of bloodmoney. I am so dismayed to hear they are the same down there. Please tell me how far from TV do I need to drive to find a reputable doctor.

[red tail]

must be more than whats being said. there are top shelf facilities all within an
afternoon drive.

[NotGolfer]

Well ALL doctors aren't the same! That being said...have to say a positive here...have had some good experiences with providers (so far after nearly 3 years) here! Oh..had to sift a couple out...but so far, so good!

[ilovetv]

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.

Back to Boston area where we find the medical profession choose the Hippocratic Oath over big business at the expense of their patients.

Our experience and opinion; that's all.

I think I remember reading here before that you had oncologists in Ocala that you liked. A friend of ours here was sent to Shands, UF-Gainesville for cancer treatment and was extremely satisfied. Might be worth a try.

[rubicon]

If you noticed Munroe Hospital had a full page ad in the Daily Sun for the past two weeks. They were listed as in the top 50 hospitals in the country.

I have posted in TOTV that I have had nothing but good care from Munroe Hospital, doctors afiliated with the Munroe system and their staffs.

[janmcn]

This is really disheartening. I was about to go on to ask for a good doctor because I leave for Florida in a week and my doctor wouldn't give me one more prescription for thyroid medicine. He wanted to eek out the last drop of bloodmoney. I am so dismayed to hear they are the same down there. Please tell me how far from TV do I need to drive to find a reputable doctor.

I've been going to endocrinologist, Dr Hamilton Fish, for about 10 years for my thyroid. He's located on Radio Road in Leesburg right across from the Lake Square Mall, which is about 20 miles from TV.

[Mudder]

Sorry but I think you'll find the same thing back in Boston, all our relatives confrim that. It's strange that you had 10 great years here so your health care must have been ok. As we age, our health issues may increase so hope you find what you're looking for back up north......especially if you can get out of your driveway in the winter ! Bye.

[Number 6]

Medical practices are a business, whether it be in Boston or The Villages. In Boston you have (at least) three medical schools providing care which are not so much a business.

[shcisamax]

So would you recommend someone? I honestly don't care if I have to travel; just want someone who is a good doctor and doesn't make you come in for testing just to pay for his new car.

[CarGuys]

Sorry but I think you'll find the same thing back in Boston, all our relatives confrim that. It's strange that you had 10 great years here so your health care must have been ok. As we age, our health issues may increase so hope you find what you're looking for back up north......especially if you can get out of your driveway in the winter ! Bye.

It seems that all over the country. Doctors maxed with patients, outsourced billing creating payment issues. Medical plans that once covered a certain % now covering much less on co-pays. Hard to get into your specialists within weeks?

[mgjim]

This is a concern of mine too. I have relatives who winter in Central Florida (not The Villages) who have had really bad experiences with medical care. I want to make the move but am a little worried about leaving the care we get in Minnesota. I just hope that being a full-time resident will make it easier to find the right caregivers.

[Madelaine Amee]

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.

Back to Boston area where we find the medical profession choose the Hippocratic Oath over big business at the expense of their patients.

Our experience and opinion; that's all.

I am so very sorry that you are returning to Massachusetts in this frame of mind. I am from the suburbs of Boston and my doctors were all at The Beth Israel right in the heart of Boston. I used to fight the traffic on 93, then fight the traffic to get through Boston to the hospital and pray that there would not be a Red Sox game at Fenway that day, because that would add two to three hours to my journey. By the time I got there my blood pressure was off the charts from the stress of driving 93 and through Boston. I have been gone six years and all, yes all, my previous doctors have left the Beth Israel and have moved out of Boston to other hospitals, some even came south!

13 months ago I was diagnosed with kidney problems, I saw a urologist right here in The Villages who recommended either The Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Shands in Gainesville, Orlando General or the Moffat in Tampa. I chose Mayo, yes it took us three hours up and three hours back, but it was a really pretty drive through the Ocala Forest and across the country to St. Augustines and then straight up to Jacksonville. I had four surgeries at Mayo, they were all successful. The staff at Mayo are all hand picked and it shows!

Best of all I still get to live in the sunshine state with no winter. I wish you luck with your move and hope it brings you what you are looking for.

[Shimpy]

Reminds me when I was a kid in the early 50's living is Miami and my uncle would come to visit from McKeesport (near Pittsbugh). If he got a toothache or medical problem he'd get on the next flight to Pittsburgh to get REAL doctors. The ones down here probably went to the same schools and may have graduated higher, but that was what he was comfortable with.

[shcisamax]

I think when you have lived in a place like Boston or New York that is saturated with the top hospitals, teaching institutions, and doctors, it is difficult to make the transition. The person who went to Jacksonville to the Mayo Clinic was right on the money. That is a world class operation. It would be great if there was something like the Mayo near TV but as someone pointed out in another thread, there isn't money in the medicare group.

[JoeC1947]

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.

Back to Boston area where we find the medical profession choose the Hippocratic Oath over big business at the expense of their patients.

Our experience and opinion; that's all.

So what you really mean to say is that you're leaving FLORIDA in disgust, not TV like your subject line says, right?

[CMANN]

I had great doctors up north but they would not address my cataracts or my PAD. When I came here to the villages those two issues were addressed immediately and successfully. I think if I needed the latest and greatest technology I might consider Mass. General Hospital but if I'm looking for experience with senior citizens I kind of like the villages.

They don't always tell me what I want to hear so I did a second opinion.

Hope you find it better in Boston.

[Posh 08]

So what you really mean to say is that you're leaving FLORIDA in disgust, not TV like your subject line says, right?

Here we go. chilout

[JoeC1947]

Here we go. chilout

Don't try to start something. Just saying that if someone has a problem with Florida health care the title of the thread shouldn't be Leaving TV In Disgust. Someone might get the wrong idea about TV.

[Posh 08]

Don't try to start something. Just saying that if someone has a problem with Florida health care the title of the thread shouldn't be Leaving TV In Disgust. Someone might get the wrong idea about TV.

She didn't say she had a problem with Florida Health Care. So if someone gets an idea that TV may have HC problems buyer beware. Cheer leaders for TV not needed.

[JoeC1947]

She didn't say she had a problem with Florida Health Care. So if someone gets an idea that TV may have HC problems buyer beware. Cheer leaders for TV not needed.


Hmmmmm.

This is the first line of her topic.

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.


Maybe you need a Florida eye doctor! Ra, Ra, Ra.

[Posh 08]

Hmmmmm.

This is the first line of her topic.

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.


Maybe you need a Florida eye doctor! Ra, Ra, Ra.

I stand corrected with my eye correction.

[JoeC1947]

I stand corrected with my eye correction.

My Florida psychiatrist would say to forgive you so you're forgiven. Now it's martini time!

[Posh 08]

My Florida psychiatrist would say to forgive you so you're forgiven. Now it's martini time!

Shaken not stirred please.

[cjc145]

must be more than whats being said. there are top shelf facilities all within an
afternoon drive.
Four months ago a friend of mine went to doctor in the Villages for a bladder problem. Doctor told him it was a bladder infection. He knew it was more. Went to Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville. Long story short. He was operated on yesterday for Bladder and Prostrate cancer. All removed and internal bladder installed. He is now recouperating.

[Bonny]

I've been going to endocrinologist, Dr Hamilton Fish, for about 10 years for my thyroid. He's located on Radio Road in Leesburg right across from the Lake Square Mall, which is about 20 miles from TV.

I also go to Dr. Fish ! He sure knows his business !

[Pturner]

Barb,
I am saddened about your medical needs and hope you get better treatment and results back in Mass. I hope too that you have an excellent network of loving support from family and friends back home. Please stay in touch and let us know how you are doing.

Hugs,
P

[LvmyPug2]

There is a community health center clinic in Leesburg that is terrific. the care is high quality and affordable. It is not fancy but the the quality is superb

[Bettiboop]

Barb, I'm so sorry to hear you are having problems getting the good health care. It is sad to know that you love TV but are feeling forced to make a move back north just to get the necessary health care you need.

I'm not in TV yet, but finding health care is a concern of mine too. Not living there yet makes it difficult for me to know whether or not I will be able to find physicians that I trust and feel comfortable with. I've heard good and bad.

I agree with others who have recommended Shands, Mayo, and others, though I know it is not easy for some to make the drive to those. We have traveled hours to use those facilities in the past and wouldn't hesitate to do so when we move to TV.

Ideally, I hope the health care in TV area will continue to improve so that it doesn't have to be a concern. Wouldn't that be wonderful!

[angiefox10]

I'm sorry you are leaving, I know how l much you love The Villages. I wish you luck.

[graciegirl]

I also go to Dr. Fish ! He sure knows his business !

Another vote for Dr. Hamilton Fish for endocrinology.

"Pturner

Barb,
I am saddened about your medical needs and hope you get better treatment and results back in Mass. I hope too that you have an excellent network of loving support from family and friends back home. Please stay in touch and let us know how you are doing.

Hugs,
P quote"

I second the thought and triple the hugs.

[mrsyarbie]

I will be a full time resident in TV in two weeks after completing 16 years as a RN working for USF in cardiovascular medicine. The Doctors are wonderful there,mainly because it is a teaching facility and busy research center . It is worth the drive and worth waiting longer in a waiting room to get the best and the brightest.No where is perfect but I will drive into Tampa for any medical appoinments until I can not drive anymore. It will be interesting to see the talent? USF Health brings into TV.Sorry some are leaving in advance to them arriving...Good luck to them in the cold north..

[coralway]

Well, at least you'll be back in Boston in time for Opening Day ... or, will you?

[CarGuys]

I will be a full time resident in TV in two weeks after completing 16 years as a RN working for USF in cardiovascular medicine. The Doctors are wonderful there,mainly because it is a teaching facility and busy research center . It is worth the drive and worth waiting longer in a waiting room to get the best and the brightest.No where is perfect but I will drive into Tampa for any medical appoinments until I can not drive anymore. It will be interesting to see the talent? USF Health brings into TV.Sorry some are leaving in advance to them arriving...Good luck to them in the cold north..

One of our concerns moving here. Good to hear about USF in Tampa. I would think that with TV population we would see more out clinics and better Dr's come to practice? I will need a good Endocrinologists.

[KathieI]

Barb,,, I'm so sorry you're having to resort to this. I know you were having problems with medical care a while back but I thought you were feeling more confident about your care lately. I will miss you and Bill and I do hope you will keep in touch with us. Love you guys very much and wish you well.
Kath

[keithgerri]

Just my opinion but I dont think its fair to blame The Villages for your choice of doctors and medical care. We are free to change to whatever facilities and doctors we choose. I have had good and bad doctors in Fargo,ND Tallahassee ,Fl and here in Atlanta my doctor is known as Dr. Hollywood and is a joke but I wont be changing as we will be in The Villages by fall. I am sure there are good doctors in the area or else there is over 100,000 people in trouble.I have been in the Dental Field for 35 years and I can tell you stories about bad dentists from the North and South. Sometimes its easier to reminisce about back home as being better but not always true in present day realities as we get older. Best wishes to you and hope it all works our for you.:thumbup:

[Bonny]

One of our concerns moving here. Good to hear about USF in Tampa. I would think that with TV population we would see more out clinics and better Dr's come to practice? I will need a good Endocrinologists.

No problem. Dr. Fish in Leesburg !

[Barefoot]

Barb,
I am saddened about your medical needs and hope you get better treatment and results back in Mass. I hope too that you have an excellent network of loving support from family and friends back home. Please stay in touch and let us know how you are doing. Hugs, P

I've known Barb and her husband since 2007. She was one of the original "founding members" of TOTV. She is a very sensible and focused woman.

Barb, your post saddens me. I am so sorry to see you go, and I echo Pturner's thoughts. I wish you happiness and success in your quest for better medical care. As we all go through our golden years, good medical care becomes of paramount importance. Best of luck to you both.

Love Bare

[PennBF]

I don't understand the need to relocate for your desired medical attention. I believe we have a great "Urgent Care" at Lake Sumter, we have teriffic facilities at Mayo in Jacksonville, Moffitt in Tampa and if there are serious Cancer problems MD Anderson in Houston. Of course there is Lahey Clinic in Arlington, Mass but it is not any better than Mayo or Moffitt. Have spent 4 months for treatments at Lahey, Have been to Mayo in Jacksonville to compare and they are the same. Just used Moffitt and it was great with the state of the art patient care. Honestly, not that impressed with MD Anderson although it has consistently been rated #1 for Cancer? Also, have been with
relatives treated at Sloan Kettering. Since the main ones are teaching hospitals there is little difference between them.
Back to The Villages. For general medical maintenance there are good Dr's in The Villages. If there are serious problems I am not sure which of the major
hospitals/Dr's I would chose regardless where I lived. I would not move to a location to be near a Dr. since if there are serious problems I would go to the best regardless where they were located. Dr Tran is very good for skin cancer. Have used some of the Dr's for general review but when one mentions a potential more serious problem have/willl go to the best for diagonisis, treatment. Had been impressed with Mayo and was truly surprised to see how good Moffitt was in Tampa. After all of the personal family medical needs I have concluded the Dr's in The Villages are, in the main able to handle the initial medical review. If there are serious concerns then regardless where you live it is only right to go to the best in the field. What is interesting is The Villages are closer to a number of major medical locations and a great central point.:read:

[barb1191]

must be more than whats being said. there are top shelf facilities all within an
afternoon drive.



Been to Shands, Moffitt (Tampa) which don't even come close to the expert care in Boston at Mass General Hospital and Dana Farber.

One oncologist in TV advised me five years ago to give it up and go to hospice. WOW ....that blew me over!!

[shcisamax]

I have to agree that Mass General is superb.

[skip0358]

Sorry to hear of your medical problems Guess I was lucky. Moved here in 09 got a GP who recomended a cardio dr. who recomended a eurologist who recomended an orthopedist. Forunatly for me I guess I've had excellent results with all of them. As for TVRH I have great respect for them having had 2 surgeries there plus PT. My experiences on Long Island were not as good. I do wish you luck and agree with others it's not the fault of TV.

[PennBF]

The critical point for care is the diagnosis. There is an old medical statement that once the correct diagnosis is made there are many that can treat. Regarding Boston and diagnosis/care. Been to Lahey for (a) a blood cancer, (b) stomach cancer, (c) lupis and (d) regular gaul bladder surgery. One treatment and surgery was at New England Deacones Hospital. Also at MIT when radiation therapy lab was at MIT. Have also been to Mayo in Jacksonville for Cancer opinion, Moffitt for a 2nd opinion as well as MD Anderson in Houston, Texas for 2nd opinion. Stomach removed at Westchester Medical Center in New York and Sloan kettering for throat cancer. There have been 4 different relations involved in the above. I only
point these out to indicate that all were very good with little difference in gaining the proper and right diagnosis. Hospital wise
I think Westchester Med. was excellent because of the surgeon. As the surgeon said, it is not imporrtant that he is well qualified, what is important is the team that he has to support him. I am sure that Boston has real good hospitals but the key is the surgeon and in some cases nurse to patient ratios and step down procedures after surgery. Just some thoughts when anyone is considering diagnosis or surgery/procedures. It is important to look into all aspects and not just a name. A "general opinion" is OK for Dr's in The
Villages but would never agree to any serious procedures without first going for a second opinion at a well known Dr. and Teaching Hospital/Clinic. :ho:

[Mudder]

There are some people who will continually seek out more and more opinions until they hear what they want to hear. It's not wrong to want the best care but it is wrong to blame TV for what you consider to be poor medical care.

[Challenger]

must be more than whats being said. there are top shelf facilities all within an
afternoon drive.Agreed- my wife and I have been here 8 months and have 5 Doc between us. All competent and professional. Is there more to this story?

[ilovetv]

There are 3 excellent teaching hospitals in our midwestern city/metro area, and if we were not satisfied with the consults/diagnosis/treatment with our doctors there, we would not hesitate to get into the car and drive an hour or two or three to a bigger medical center.

There are mediocre or crappy doctors in every city and every state (as there are mediocre/crappy professionals in every profession). For us, TV is no different than that in terms of traveling farther to get a "better" or more comprehensive opinion/consult.

I've heard horror stories from some of the major medical centers mentioned above, too. Sometimes a researcher is an awful clinician.

[daca55]

must be more than whats being said. there are top shelf facilities all within an
afternoon drive.

Thats what I have head also. :pray:

[BAILYBOOHOO]

I haved lived in the Windermer area for 16 yrs I had better health care down here then up north imho My Dr's our wonderful here I have top notch care here .Maybe you need to look a little more there our wonderful Dr's here . :)

[cappyjon431]

I am relatively new to TV and don't have a lot of experience with this topic, but I can provide my own recent experience.

A few months ago I began experiencing some strange neurological symptoms (slurring my speech, difficulty swallowing and chewing, heightened light sensitivity). I decided to see a doctor locally and after a month of tests and some scary experiences (they thought it might be ALS or MS) they diagnosed me with Myasthenia gravis. The neurologist provided me a treatment plan and I was very pleased.

My father is a professor at University of miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital, a well respected teaching hospital in Miami and he was VERY concerned about possible misdiagnosis or improper treatment, as he thinks the medical care in central Florida is decidedly second rate. He insisted I come down to Miami and meet with the head of neurology at Jackson Memorial. This doctor treated me as if I was his own son and ordered a battery of tests (fortunately at no charge because of my father's position there). The tests all confirmed the same results as the tests that I had here in TV. The treatment plan he suggested was identical to the plan that my doctor prescribed here. The doctor in Miami felt that I could get equal treatment here in TV and not have to go to Miami for regular treatment.

I am happy to say that after two months of treatment I am symptom free. I will never be cured and will be on a drug regimen for the rest of my life, but I now feel like the worst is behind me. I am able to go to the gym 4-5 times a week, play basketball, go paddleboarding a couple of times a week and feel great! I guess my point is that there are good doctors here in TV and in major metropolitan areas and there are certainly bad doctors here as well as in major cities. So far, my experience here in TV has been excellent.

[renielarson]

To all of you who question "more" to the story, NO...I'm sure there is no more. Barb has been here for years and is one whose voice is fair, unbiased, and accurate. She deserves respect and nothing else especially from those who have not been here as long as she has been and aren't familiar with her prior posts. I've been on TOTV for 7 years but not under the nickname I use now.

The Villages has the largest senior population in the U.S. if not the world. We should have the best doctors and hospitals locally to provide the best medical care available. At least that is what The Villages is telling us if I read the Daily Sun correctly. The Villages should have state of the art medical across the board to accommodate our needs. Why should we have to travel hours to a top rated hospital? I could understand travel if I lived in a small rural community but I live in a community that is close to 100,000 people now and more in the future.

I like and respect Lake Sumter Urgent Care to the point I found my internist upon recommendation of one of the doctors there. The doctor recommended 3 and NONE were in The Villages! That says a lot.

Barb, I hope you filled out The Villages Survey and expressed your disappointment with the medical care provided here. I know I did!

[diskman]

Barb, I'm so sorry to hear you are having problems getting the good health care. It is sad to know that you love TV but are feeling forced to make a move back north just to get the necessary health care you need.

I'm not in TV yet, but finding health care is a concern of mine too. Not living there yet makes it difficult for me to know whether or not I will be able to find physicians that I trust and feel comfortable with. I've heard good and bad.

I agree with others who have recommended Shands, Mayo, and others, though I know it is not easy for some to make the drive to those. We have traveled hours to use those facilities in the past and wouldn't hesitate to do so when we move to TV.

Ideally, I hope the health care in TV area will continue to improve so that it doesn't have to be a concern. Wouldn't that be wonderful!

In 1995 my wife and I picked up an moved from New York to Southern Calif and I think whenever someone makes a drastic change they worry about doctors because they have to pick a new bunch. It is not so much the unhappiness with the Doctors they find, it is more that they already had confidence it what they left behind and now have to build that confidence back up. It is a trial and error kind of situation till you find one you are comfortable with and that is the bottom line.:spoken::blahblahblah:

[skyc6]

It is also wrong for you to make the assumption that someone is "seeking out more and more opinions until they hear what they want to hear!"

When it is your own health, seeking expert opinions is very wise, and each person has a right to determine which expert and how many experts they want to consult.

If you canot say something kind and supportive, then kindly zip it!

[Barefoot]

To all of you who question "more" to the story, NO...I'm sure there is no more. Barb has been here for years and is one whose voice is fair, unbiased, and accurate. She deserves respect and nothing else especially from those who have not been here as long as she has been and aren't familiar with her prior posts. I've been on TOTV for 7 years but not under the nickname I use now. did!

FF is right on! I hope that we can all respect Barb's opinions and decisions rather than questioning her motives. I respect Barb a lot and wish her well.

[CarGuys]

To all of you who question "more" to the story, The Villages has the largest senior population in the U.S. if not the world. We should have the best doctors and hospitals locally to provide the best medical care available. I like and respect Lake Sumter Urgent Care to the point I found my internist upon recommendation of one of the doctors there. The doctor recommended 3 and NONE were in The Villages! That says a lot.

Barb, I hope you filled out The Villages Survey and expressed your disappointment with the medical care provided here. I know I did!

I also wish nothing but a safe journey home to Boston for Barb and her family. We have to be supportative of ones decision to move. I was just sad to read she feels so upset as to Post moving because of Disgust?

I will be honest. I never though of medical when we visited. bought the lot or built the home. It wasn't until my last phyiscal in March that my Dr. said " Well Herv good luck I will miss taking care of you." Those words hit me like a Ton of Bricks!

Now the search will start again.

[Trish Crocker]

I have always been concerned about the quality of medical care in Florida. My mom lived there and had open heart surgery at University Hospital in Tampa. During the course of the surgery she had a stroke..at 66 years of age..and was on a ventilator for 9 months. She eventually was able to breath on her own but never really recovered. Many times I wondered if it would have been different if she had the surgery here. Other than blockages, her health was good. We'll never know. Steve and I seriously consider coming back to Michigan a couple of times a year for check-ups. I'm not sure if that's reasonable or not but we do have patients that come back to Michigan from various parts of the country to have Steve do their dental work. I am a little curious however, I sense that there is some blame placed on the 'owners' of the Villages to make sure there are good doctors and hospitals. Why and how could they be responsible? They wouldn't own a hospital and isn't it up to the individual doctors to decide where they want to practice. As residents (I'm including myself!) shouldn't we be doing some research, consulting with teaching hospitals and trying to get quality healthcare here? Someone (and let's quit putting all of the emphasis on the Morse family) should start a campaign, make brochures explaining the benefits of this community. Since most doctors starting out are much younger than 55 we could still show that there are a lot of communities in the area for young families and show what TV has to offer even to non-residents. We should be proactive instead of reactive...there are many, many good health care providers out there..we just need to let them know that they are needed here and will love the area.

[ilovetv]

"I like and respect Lake Sumter Urgent Care to the point I found my internist upon recommendation of one of the doctors there. The doctor recommended 3 and NONE were in The Villages! That says a lot."

With an urgent care center recommending an internist, I wouldn't make the assumption that there are no good internists in TV because their 3 recommendations were outside TV.

For one thing, the urgent care doctors are often internists, family practice drs. and physician assistants here, and it's quite possible they're recommending their bosses, co-workers, golf buddies etc......not necessarily "the best" ones.

[graciegirl]

With an urgent care center recommending an internist, I wouldn't make the assumption that there are no good internists in TV because their 3 recommendations were outside TV.

For one thing, the urgent care doctors are often internists, family practice drs. and physician assistants here, and it's quite possible they're recommending their bosses, co-workers, golf buddies etc......not necessarily "the best" ones.

Sadly I agree. And "putting our discontent on the survey" can really not solve the problem. The developers can provide office space to rent and hospital space to lease. They can't talk a large teaching hospital to build here and they can't change the fact that many, maybe most of us are on Medicare. Some doctors want to make more money than the fees from Medicare. Not all doctors are altruistic and not all good doctors are looking to make more money. Many very skilled doctors are attracted to the teaching hospital setting because of the academic atmosphere and the money that funds research and the climate of being on the cutting edge. No pun intended.

There are many good doctors here that take care of most of our problems, but when something is very unusual and very serious there are times that their expertise falls a little short and we must fly to The Cleveland Clinic or to the MD Anderson, or to other large hospitals that handle unusual cases expertly.

As everyone knows, I love The Villages, but 100 thousand people is still a small town in some respects.

I have observed the medical community improve in the four years we have been here. We were betting our lives on it when we moved here year 'round in October.

I just heard that one of our fine doctors and one that we were on the waiting list for is leaving in May to work elsewhere. Stephanie Walker of Rivers Family Practice is going into a hospital setting. Bummer.

[Madelaine Amee]

I just heard that one of our fine doctors and one that we were on the waiting list for is leaving in May to work elsewhere. Stephanie Walker of Rivers Family Practice is going into a hospital setting. Bummer.[/QUOTE]

This is devastating news to me, she is the doctor who discovered my kidney problems and recommended Mayo! What is going on - first Glen leaves Rivers, now Stephanie .................. But, on the other hand, knowing Dr. Rivers and watching his practice grow over the years, I have no doubt he will find an excellent replacement for Dr. Walker, or at least, I sure hope so!

[swimdawg]

".....I am a little curious however, I sense that there is some blame placed on the 'owners' of the Villages to make sure there are good doctors and hospitals. Why and how could they be responsible? They wouldn't own a hospital and isn't it up to the individual doctors to decide where they want to practice. As residents (I'm including myself!) shouldn't we be doing some research, consulting with teaching hospitals and trying to get quality healthcare here? Someone (and let's quit putting all of the emphasis on the Morse family) should start a campaign, make brochures explaining the benefits of this community. Since most doctors starting out are much younger than 55 we could still show that there are a lot of communities in the area for young families and show what TV has to offer even to non-residents. We should be proactive instead of reactive...there are many, many good health care providers out there..we just need to let them know that they are needed here and will love the area.

Great post, Trish. I so agree with everything you have said.

[lawatha]

I can't speak for any oncologists in the area, because fortunately I haven't had a need to see one yet, however I do believe there are some really good doctors here in TV. I hate to see all medical care in TV lumped together as lacking... I have nothing but the highest regard for Drs. Steepy (gynecology), Santizo (family physician) and Wu (podiatrist). They're excellent at what they do.

Can anybody recommend a good dentist, and dermatologist?

I wish you the best of luck with your care- wherever it is.


Been to Shands, Moffitt (Tampa) which don't even come close to the expert care in Boston at Mass General Hospital and Dana Farber.

One oncologist in TV advised me five years ago to give it up and go to hospice. WOW ....that blew me over!!

[Figmo Bohica]

Dr Luong, Dentist, over at Spanish Springs. Great service and wonder staff.

[saratogaman]

Laurel Manor Dental...Dr. Adam Still & great assistants

[PennBF]

Have you heard, "I have the best Dr.in the country", We have the best "Hospital in the Country", and so on. Some receive the aclades because of good bed side service, some hospitals because the room is comfortable and you get out "alive". To determine the qualifications of the Dr. takes some work. Investigate how many suit have been filed against him, what schools he attended, how many of the procedures has he performed,
what do other medical personnel (e.g.Nurses, etc.) think of him/her, where did he do his residency, is he/she board approved in their field, does he have priveliges at all the local hospitals, etc.etc. It is great that some have good
confidence in their Dr. but they should answer the question "why". Regarding Hospitals. National Ranking are: (By Top 3 in field)
Cancer: MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering, John Hopkins
Cardiology: Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, John Hopkins
Diabetes/Endocrinology: Mayo, Mass General, John Hopkins
Ear, Nose Throat: Johns Hopkins, Mass Gen, U.of Pittsburg Med Center'
Gastroenterology: Mayo, Cleveland, John Hopkins
Geriatics: Mt Sinai.NYC, UCLA Med Center, John Hopkins
Gynecology: Mayo, John Hopkins, Bringham Womens Hospital
Nephrology: Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins
Neurology: John Hopkins, Mayo, Mass Gen
Orthopedics: NY Hosp Spec. Surgery, Mayo, Mass Gen
Thus to get a Number#1 it is by need and not general. Can note that at least 3 of the top ones have hospitals in Florida..Within 3 hours of The Villages. :)

[graciegirl]

Have you heard, "I have the best Dr.in the country", We have the best "Hospital in the Country", and so on. Some receive the aclades because of good bed side service, some hospitals because the room is comfortable and you get out "alive". To determine the qualifications of the Dr. takes some work. Investigate how many suit have been filed against him, what schools he attended, how many of the procedures has he performed,
what do other medical personnel (e.g.Nurses, etc.) think of him/her, where did he do his residency, is he/she board approved in their field, does he have priveliges at all the local hospitals, etc.etc. It is great that some have good
confidence in their Dr. but they should answer the question "why". Regarding Hospitals. National Ranking are: (By Top 3 in field)
Cancer: MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering, John Hopkins
Cardiology: Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, John Hopkins
Diabetes/Endocrinology: Mayo, Mass General, John Hopkins
Ear, Nose Throat: Johns Hopkins, Mass Gen, U.of Pittsburg Med Center'
Gastroenterology: Mayo, Cleveland, John Hopkins
Geriatics: Mt Sinai.NYC, UCLA Med Center, John Hopkins
Gynecology: Mayo, John Hopkins, Bringham Womens Hospital
Nephrology: Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins
Neurology: John Hopkins, Mayo, Mass Gen
Orthopedics: NY Hosp Spec. Surgery, Mayo, Mass Gen
Thus to get a Number#1 it is by need and not general. Can note that at least 3 of the top ones have hospitals in Florida..Within 3 hours of The Villages. :)

Excellent, well researched, helpful post Penn. Thank you!

[senior citizen]

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.

Back to Boston area where we find the medical profession choose the Hippocratic Oath over big business at the expense of their patients.

Our experience and opinion; that's all.


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[lawatha]

Thanks Saratoga Man and Figmo Bahica for the dental recommendations! Good to know!

[pzjay]

Thanks Saratoga Man and Figmo Bahica for the dental recommendations! Good to know!

Just read these posts after finding out we're losing our doc. Dental recommendation - Palm Ridge Dental at Southern Trace. Kind, caring, reasonable, very competent. Notice that they never advertise!!

[duffysmom]

Just read these posts after finding out we're losing our doc. Dental recommendation - Palm Ridge Dental at Southern Trace. Kind, caring, reasonable, very competent. Notice that they never advertise!!

I agree, excellent care.

[Carl in Tampa]

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.

Back to Boston area where we find the medical profession choose the Hippocratic Oath over big business at the expense of their patients.

Our experience and opinion; that's all.

This complaint is notably short on specifics, and is very contrary to my experience. I was visiting TV when I had a medical emergency that required hospitalization.

I received caring, attentive care in the hospital and was treated by a cardiologist and a pulmonologist who impressed me so much that I have moved my medical care from Tampa to TV. I have never had doctors take so much time with me to assure that I understood my medical condition and what I needed to do to care for myself as I have had here.

I will admit that the administrative side of the pulmonologist office is chaotic and not as efficient or responsive as I would like.

For issues that require immediate attention I recommend avoiding the hospital Emergency Room and going to the Lake Regional Urgent Care office near Lake Sumter Landing if they are open. Don't make a mistake, particularly if your issue is pain. Many of the area Urgent Care offices do not dispense pain medications of significant potency; LRUC does.

Incidentally, the nurses at The Villages Regional Hospital were efficient, attentive and compassionate. Treatment was effective and appreciated.

I have also had outpatient visits at Quest and Alliance labs in TV and found both to be efficient and staffed with friendly people.

That's my experience.

:a040:

[duffysmom]

Carl, first off I'm happy to hear that you are getting the care you need in TV and that you are doing well. It's a relief to hear some good news for a change. :coolsmiley:

[NotGolfer]

This complaint is notably short on specifics, and is very contrary to my experience. I was visiting TV when I had a medical emergency that required hospitalization.

I received caring, attentive care in the hospital and was treated by a cardiologist and a pulmonologist who impressed me so much that I have moved my medical care from Tampa to TV. I have never had doctors take so much time with me to assure that I understood my medical condition and what I needed to do to care for myself as I have had here.

I will admit that the administrative side of the pulmonologist office is chaotic and not as efficient or responsive as I would like.

For issues that require immediate attention I recommend avoiding the hospital Emergency Room and going to the Lake Regional Urgent Care office near Lake Sumter Landing if they are open. Don't make a mistake, particularly if your issue is pain. Many of the area Urgent Care offices do not dispense pain medications of significant potency; LRUC does.

Incidentally, the nurses at The Villages Regional Hospital were efficient, attentive and compassionate. Treatment was effective and appreciated.

I have also had outpatient visits at Quest and Alliance labs in TV and found both to be efficient and staffed with friendly people.

That's my experience.

:a040:

I have to concur! I've been really fortunate in the medical care that I've had in the 3 years we've been in T.V. I've had some significant issues...some that weren't dxt properly up north (in a town with a teaching hospital). I've spent time in the hospital in T.V. as well and have to say that my care was exceptional. I too have had experience with both labs mentioned as well. Just wanted to put my 2-cents worth in as well.

[rubicon]

This is a concern of mine too. I have relatives who winter in Central Florida (not The Villages) who have had really bad experiences with medical care. I want to make the move but am a little worried about leaving the care we get in Minnesota. I just hope that being a full-time resident will make it easier to find the right caregivers.

I lived in the Minneapolis area for a number of years before moving to TV. Minnesota has across the board top notch medical care...For instance in many offices you will find a sign that ask you to complain if you have longer than a 15 minute wait

[CaptJohn]

I lived in the Minneapolis area for a number of years before moving to TV. Minnesota has across the board top notch medical care...For instance in many offices you will find a sign that ask you to complain if you have longer than a 15 minute wait

Now that's impressive! :thumbup:

[Carl in Tampa]

The Moffitt Cancer Center, actually the H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center & Research Institute, is much more than simply a hospital. It has the Southeast's largest Bone and Marrow transplant program. It is part of an elite group of National Cancer Center (NCI) Comprehensive Cancer Centers. According to the National Cancer Institute, the "Comprehensive" designation is conferred upon an elite group of cancer centers that represent “the strongest institutions in the nation dedicated to scientific innovation and excellence; to interdisciplinary research, training and education; and to coordinated recognition and pursuit of new research opportunities.” Moffitt focuses on the development of early stage translational research aimed at the rapid translation of scientific discoveries to benefit patient care.

The main campus in Tampa has only about 200 (all private) patient rooms but the outpatient treatment program treats over 320,000 patients a year. The new Moffitt facility in The Villages will operate in close cooperation with The Villages Regional Hospital.

Over 10 years ago I was a surgical patient at Moffitt and since radiation treatment I have received annual screenings ever since. I also had occasion to observe their chemotherapy procedures and experimental clinical studies. If I were ever again to have a cancer issue I would not hesitate to again go to Moffitt for treatment.

Incidentally, Moffitt has a significant number of international patients as well as patients who come from other states for treatment.

My point is, don't sell Moffitt short in evaluating facilities that treat cancer.

[sunlover]

I've seen a variety of Drs & specialists in the past year. I have mixed feelings about the medical services. Some of our care is based on red tape by insurance providers. I also found that my doctor's additional requirements are due to people suing doctors...i.e. claiming they weren't advised of something so now you have to go into the Dr's office, see the Dr personally, blood pressure checks every time you go in regardless of the reason, sign in when you arrive so that have proof you were there and the Dr communicated whatever they communicated. I wait anywhere from 30-60 minutes before the Dr sees me. Often I see her for a couple of minutes. I'm keeping an open mind but at this point, I prefer the care I received in MN - far exceeds here.

[jlw3080]

Hi Bonny...I am new to TV so I haven't found any new doctors/dentist etc. Can you recommend a primary care physician...maybe even an internist?

[jlw3080]

Hi there! Could you tell me who was the doctor that they recommended? I am new to TV and haven't found any of my new doctors/dentist yet!

[Mack184]

While there may be other issues with the OP, I personally have serious concerns about the quality and/or ability of the area's medical professionals. Thankfully, I am married to a very good NP who will be able to guide us around. In my current situation I have been badly spoiled since all of my doctors have either graduated from Harvard, Cornell, Johns Hopkins or Stanford, and I am soon going to miss them dearly.

In my research of area providers I have found WAY too many who have graduated from the "Mumbai Academy of Meat Cutting & Medicine" or some other dubious foreign school or unheard of US medical school. With the number of mid-upper class residents in the general area, I was hoping to find some world class doctors. So far, I'm not seeing much and that does concern me.

[Mack184]

Have you heard, "I have the best Dr.in the country", We have the best "Hospital in the Country", and so on. Some receive the aclades because of good bed side service, some hospitals because the room is comfortable and you get out "alive". To determine the qualifications of the Dr. takes some work. Investigate how many suit have been filed against him, what schools he attended, how many of the procedures has he performed,
what do other medical personnel (e.g.Nurses, etc.) think of him/her, where did he do his residency, is he/she board approved in their field, does he have priveliges at all the local hospitals, etc.etc. It is great that some have good
confidence in their Dr. but they should answer the question "why". Regarding Hospitals. National Ranking are: (By Top 3 in field)
Cancer: MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering, John Hopkins
Cardiology: Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, John Hopkins
Diabetes/Endocrinology: Mayo, Mass General, John Hopkins
Ear, Nose Throat: Johns Hopkins, Mass Gen, U.of Pittsburg Med Center'
Gastroenterology: Mayo, Cleveland, John Hopkins
Geriatics: Mt Sinai.NYC, UCLA Med Center, John Hopkins
Gynecology: Mayo, John Hopkins, Bringham Womens Hospital
Nephrology: Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins
Neurology: John Hopkins, Mayo, Mass Gen
Orthopedics: NY Hosp Spec. Surgery, Mayo, Mass Gen
Thus to get a Number#1 it is by need and not general. Can note that at least 3 of the top ones have hospitals in Florida..Within 3 hours of The Villages. :)
You might notice on that list that Johns Hopkins University Hospital is on every catagory of that list but one. THAT I'm very much going to miss!

[2BNTV]

The past ten years living here was wonderful....EXCEPT for the horrible experiences both hubby and I have been thru here with Florida medical providers and practices.

Back to Boston area where we find the medical profession choose the Hippocratic Oath over big business at the expense of their patients.

Our experience and opinion; that's all.

This posts is seven months old. Does anyone know if she moved to Boston?

I'm sure barb has good reasons to move. I wish her and her husband the best of health going forward.

[Taltarzac725]

This posts is seven months old. Does anyone know if she moved to Boston?

I'm sure barb has good reasons to move. I wish her and her husband the best of health going forward.

She was online yesterday. She should be able to answer for herself.

I have had little complaints about the dentist I had here near the Villages. She has a foreign name and was very competent. Have not been to any doctors here in the Villages. None needed so far. Knock on wood.

There are supposedly very good doctors at Shands up in Gainesville.

My very worst experiences were with doctors in Pinellas County, FL from 2000 through 2002. Even sought a malpractice lawyer back then for one of them but could not find a lawyer to take it of my liking. It sounded like I needed to be dead for someone to take the case. Kind of a Catch 22 that.

[barb1191]

This posts is seven months old. Does anyone know if she moved to Boston?

I'm sure barb has good reasons to move. I wish her and her husband the best of health going forward.

We have returned to TV and have managed to find health providers here that we are pleased with. Hubby Bill goes to TV VA Clinic which he finds to be terrific. I returned to my fav oncologist whom I see at their office on Rte 441 across from Walmart on Rte 441, and have found a wonderful MD, with an office close by us at Laurel Manor.

There are many personal reasons why we returned to TV, but mainly because we missed it here so much that we were able to work out the medical situation to satisfaction.

Thx 2BNTV for your best wishes and back at yah!!

barb1191

[2BNTV]

We have returned to TV and have managed to find health providers here that we are pleased with. Hubby Bill goes to TV VA Clinic which he finds to be terrific. I returned to my fav oncologist at Ocala Oncology, Dr Berger whom I see at their office on Rte 441 across from Walmart on Rte 441, and have found a wonderful MD, Dr Zaidi with an office close by us at Laurel Manor.

There are many personal reasons why we returned to TV, but mainly because we missed it here so much that we were able to work out the medical situation to satisfaction.

Thx 2BNTV for your best wishes and back at yah!!

barb1191

So glad to hear it worked out for you both. Best wishes. :smiley:

[Barefoot]

We have returned to TV and have managed to find health providers here that we are pleased with. Hubby Bill goes to TV VA Clinic which he finds to be terrific. I returned to my fav oncologist at Ocala Oncology, Dr Berger whom I see at their office on Rte 441 across from Walmart on Rte 441, and have found a wonderful MD, Dr Zaidi with an office close by us at Laurel Manor.

There are many personal reasons why we returned to TV, but mainly because we missed it here so much that we were able to work out the medical situation to satisfaction.

Barb, I'm glad to see that you were able to work out your medical situation.

A belated Happy Birthday to you ... wishing you years and years and years of pristine good health and happiness.

[mrsyarbie]

Best of luck to you , sorry you didnt go to Tampa for medical care only an 1.5 hours away off I-75. The best MD's are there .I oughta know worked there at USF Health for 16 Years and still go there for the best care...

[mrsyarbie]

Very best wishes to you both..

[Bogie Shooter]

We have returned to TV and have managed to find health providers here that we are pleased with. Hubby Bill goes to TV VA Clinic which he finds to be terrific. I returned to my fav oncologist whom I see at their office on Rte 441 across from Walmart on Rte 441, and have found a wonderful MD, with an office close by us at Laurel Manor.

There are many personal reasons why we returned to TV, but mainly because we missed it here so much that we were able to work out the medical situation to satisfaction.

Thx 2BNTV for your best wishes and back at yah!!

barb1191

But, you sure did stir up a hornet's nest with that original post..................

[graciegirl]

We have returned to TV and have managed to find health providers here that we are pleased with. Hubby Bill goes to TV VA Clinic which he finds to be terrific. I returned to my fav oncologist whom I see at their office on Rte 441 across from Walmart on Rte 441, and have found a wonderful MD, with an office close by us at Laurel Manor.

There are many personal reasons why we returned to TV, but mainly because we missed it here so much that we were able to work out the medical situation to satisfaction.

Thx 2BNTV for your best wishes and back at yah!!

barb1191

Welcome back home Barb and Happy Birthday.

[CFrance]

Have you heard, "I have the best Dr.in the country", We have the best "Hospital in the Country", and so on. Some receive the aclades because of good bed side service, some hospitals because the room is comfortable and you get out "alive". To determine the qualifications of the Dr. takes some work. Investigate how many suit have been filed against him, what schools he attended, how many of the procedures has he performed,
what do other medical personnel (e.g.Nurses, etc.) think of him/her, where did he do his residency, is he/she board approved in their field, does he have priveliges at all the local hospitals, etc.etc. It is great that some have good
confidence in their Dr. but they should answer the question "why". Regarding Hospitals. National Ranking are: (By Top 3 in field)
Cancer: MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering, John Hopkins
Cardiology: Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, John Hopkins
Diabetes/Endocrinology: Mayo, Mass General, John Hopkins
Ear, Nose Throat: Johns Hopkins, Mass Gen, U.of Pittsburg Med Center'
Gastroenterology: Mayo, Cleveland, John Hopkins
Geriatics: Mt Sinai.NYC, UCLA Med Center, John Hopkins
Gynecology: Mayo, John Hopkins, Bringham Womens Hospital
Nephrology: Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins
Neurology: John Hopkins, Mayo, Mass Gen
Orthopedics: NY Hosp Spec. Surgery, Mayo, Mass Gen
Thus to get a Number#1 it is by need and not general. Can note that at least 3 of the top ones have hospitals in Florida..Within 3 hours of The Villages. :)

It's actually JohnS Hopkins, and it sounds like Johns Hopkins is the place to go. They're in the top 3 in every category but one.

[jblum315]

I expect you will find things have changed in Boston also. And not for better.

[CFrance]

I had two cataract surgeries up north before returning here for the winter. Used one of the most recommended doctors in our town, to fabulous results. I came out with a prescription for bifocals and one for just distance glasses.

After returning, i wanted a pair of just distance contacts to play pickleball in, so I went to Sam's, prescriptions in hand. Naturally, they made me go through another eye exam, but used my prescription as a starting point. I was okay with this because I knew my eyes are in tip-top shape as of a month ago.

The optometrist was slightly strange and a bit abrupt. It's hard to describe, but I was thinking Boy, I wouldn't use him as my permanent eye doctor.

Suddenly, he starts quizzing me on what I eat. Do I eat meat, do I eat a lot of fruit, do I eat veggies, etc., on and on for a couple of minutes. I must have had a very strange look on my face, because he finally said, pointing to my t-shirt, "Well, I assume you don't eat salt, so I wondered what else you eat." My t-shirt says "Lake Michigan... Unsalted."

I SAID, "Uh... there's no salt in Lake Michigan." But I WANTED to say, "From what matchbook cover did you get your degree?"

Perhaps that's unkind. But really...

[RLNLB]

We have been here 12 years and have what we consider excellent Cardiologist, Oncologist and Internal Medicine. It took a little looking. Sorry you have had such problems.

[ilovetv]

We have returned to TV and have managed to find health providers here that we are pleased with. Hubby Bill goes to TV VA Clinic which he finds to be terrific. I returned to my fav oncologist whom I see at their office on Rte 441 across from Walmart on Rte 441, and have found a wonderful MD, with an office close by us at Laurel Manor.

There are many personal reasons why we returned to TV, but mainly because we missed it here so much that we were able to work out the medical situation to satisfaction.

Thx 2BNTV for your best wishes and back at yah!!

barb1191

Barb, so happy to see that you've worked out a good plan and that you've returned to the warmth and sunshine which are often therapeutic, too.

Blessings to you....full speed ahead!

[YouNeverKnow]

We have been here 12 years and have what we consider excellent Cardiologist, Oncologist and Internal Medicine. It took a little looking. Sorry you have had such problems.

Sent you a PM.

[hoopsterdad]

bye, bye. wonderful stuff here if you check it out first.

[swrinfla]

So much of this thread goes back several months that I question its viability! On t'other hand, I have long been unhappy that so many folks think that The Villages is "bumpkinsville" when it comes to the quality of medical care!

I am a strong believer in the quality of medical care here! True, I've been lucky that I've had virtually no requirement that some "hack doctor" care for me; but, I also know that the care I've received for whatever reason has been Top Notch!

I know that many think that Good Care is only available from some huge, impersonal North Atlantic area "teaching" hospital: consider, if you will, that this may be a huge misperception!

'Nough said!

SWR
:beer3:

[Bogie Shooter]

bye, bye. wonderful stuff here if you check it out first.

See post #88.

[CFrance]

I have to disagree with the reference to "some huge impersonal North Atlantic area "teaching" hospital." To the contrary, when I took my oncology care out of the Grand Rapids area, where their first concern was How Will You Pay?, and over to the University of Michigan, a huge teaching hospital, the quality of compassion was so much greater that my husband was astounded and switched all of his care over to them too.

Not to mention quality of care. His U of M blood draw arm was pristine. The one he had to have a week later in Muskegon looked like a battlefield. At U of M they aren't allowed to give injections or draw blood for six months after completing their training. They must go through further training than their degree required. I could go on and on.

Also, teaching hospitals take the financial-payment concerns out of the doctors' hands completely. They aren't worried about how you will pay. They are worried about your health only. Our family doctor there listed this as one of the reasons she didn't join a private practice. She wanted to practice medicine, not have to endure staff meetings concerning a bottom line.

I will always seek out a teaching hospital.

[Lynn222]

I have not had any horrible doctor experiences here yet but I will say that I sure don't love my doctors here yet. One of the things that drives me crazy is that English is their second language but I do realize that the area I live in creates that so I just have to live with it. In Virginia, it took me years to "gather" great doctors and I think I am expecting the same here in 1-1/2 years.

[Lbmb24101]

This post is very scary.

My husband has received tyop notch care here in north Atlanta
We already bought in Buttonwood
Our oncologist said the Moffitt Cancer ct down there is top notch and when our trusted dr said that, then we made the decision to buy.
Would you please share your experiences w Moffitt?
WE have, what we think, is good health insurance, but not an HMO since we need many specialists.

HERe in Atl, one dr has recommended the next, and except for one, all 7 specialists and facilities have been top notch
TV has the fun factor that we do not have here.
but, are we trading fun and amusement for life- saving health care???
Good luck back in Boston!
We wish you well!
GOD BLESS!

[Geewiz]

Have a local GP for routine tests, flu shots, the standard STD, and sniffles. Go to Mayo for diagnostic work. Serious stuff - find out where the best is and fly to her/him. When I had my left hip replacement it was outpatient surgery by the rock star doc. His waiting room was filled with folks bringing suitcases...they all were out of towners. At a certain age...BCBS is essential. It allows for this kind of flexibility.

[CFrance]

Have a local GP for routine tests, flu shots, the standard STD, and sniffles. Go to Mayo for diagnostic work. Serious stuff - find out where the best is and fly to her/him. When I had my left hip replacement it was outpatient surgery by the rock star doc. His waiting room was filled with folks bringing suitcases...they all were out of towners. At a certain age...BCBS is essential. It allows for this kind of flexibility.

The standard STD!!! You are a hoot.

[Geewiz]

The standard STD!!! You are a hoot.

Well - I am a good boy, I am. No STD's here....not that I don't skirt the edge when the situation's right. Still, I really attempt to avoid becoming the human petree dish. Love is more than just a word...passion's more than just a verb.

Just sayin'

[ssmith]

to hear that Barb found resolution for her situation. I am sure that there is some good options if you are persistant!

[graciegirl]

to hear that Barb found resolution for her situation. I am sure that there is some good options if you are persistant!

You are right and I too am glad that Barb has returned to us. I don't know how you attract good doctors and I am not sure how you define good doctors but it seems that building nice buildings isn't the entire answer because many people are still going to Tampa to the Moffitt Center for treatment for their cancers. We would have an opportunity to build a first and world class hospital here that could specialize in the health problems of the aging population but that needs money and committment from some already established medical community with a teaching facility.

I am finding that the insurance that worked just fine up north isn't accepted by a lot of doctors here and puzzled as younger doctors who people were on a waiting list to be accepted have left the area. We have issues here that cannot be addressed by the finest developers and urban planners. I can't even define the problem.

We have a GP here that I am o.k. with but I may be comparing him to the doctors that we had for years in Cincinnati. I just don't know but I feel uneasy about getting the quality of medical care here that we left behind.

My uneasy feeling may be misplaced because we have not had a medical challenge.

When someone who I respect mightily like Swrinfla, says he is o.k. with the care here, I feel much better.

[Taltarzac725]

We have returned to TV and have managed to find health providers here that we are pleased with. Hubby Bill goes to TV VA Clinic which he finds to be terrific. I returned to my fav oncologist whom I see at their office on Rte 441 across from Walmart on Rte 441, and have found a wonderful MD, with an office close by us at Laurel Manor.

There are many personal reasons why we returned to TV, but mainly because we missed it here so much that we were able to work out the medical situation to satisfaction.

Thx 2BNTV for your best wishes and back at yah!!

barb1191

Welcome back, barb1191.

I have always been happy to come back to the Villages after my various trips to the Tampa Bay area to visit relatives, friends, or whatever.

[Golfingnut]

Hang in there, in 2014 a lot of these less than humane practices will be against the law. Then, the old, poor and handicapped will all receive appropriate care.

[Chuckw]

Welcome back, barb1191.

I have always been happy to come back to the Villages after my various trips to the Tampa Bay area to visit relatives, friends, or whatever.

I have to say that we have been here for 8.5 years now and have had nothing short of excellent experiences with every doctor, surgeon, and oncologist we have seen, except one cartiologist (which we fired) and quickly shifted to one of the best (in our opinion)...

It seems that many problems stem from personality conflicts with the providers and expectations that a new provider will make the same concessions as a doctor we had seen for 40 years in the past... (like calling the doctors office for pain pills, etc.)

My opinion only, I'm sure many will disagree.

[NotGolfer]

This thread apparently has "hit a nerve" since it went so long, laid to rest then was resurrected.

My opinion....when people move it's a huge adjustment in all ways I've found. It's human nature to compare all that to where we've been, our experiences there and also our friends etc. It transposes even to the food we eat and the care we get. That being said, no matter where you will find negatives in most areas of Life. Finding a good doctor should be our priority since many of us have health concerns that need treating. I wish there was a way for us to sift through this procedure efficiently but we can't. Word of mouth "can" and sometimes does help in finding a practioner. But what is "excellant" for one person may not be, for another. I've been there...both here and back 'home'. Large teaching hospitals may be good...but being large, sometimes folks can fall through the cracks in good care. I've heard horror stories to that end. I think we all could go on and on about this topic....but personally I think the moderator can put this to rest as it can't be solved here, obviously.

[graciegirl]

This thread apparently has "hit a nerve" since it went so long, laid to rest then was resurrected.

My opinion....when people move it's a huge adjustment in all ways I've found. It's human nature to compare all that to where we've been, our experiences there and also our friends etc. It transposes even to the food we eat and the care we get. That being said, no matter where you will find negatives in most areas of Life. Finding a good doctor should be our priority since many of us have health concerns that need treating. I wish there was a way for us to sift through this procedure efficiently but we can't. Word of mouth "can" and sometimes does help in finding a practioner. But what is "excellant" for one person may not be, for another. I've been there...both here and back 'home'. Large teaching hospitals may be good...but being large, sometimes folks can fall through the cracks in good care. I've heard horror stories to that end. I think we all could go on and on about this topic....but personally I think the moderator can put this to rest as it can't be solved here, obviously.

Very good summary and I think you are right, as usual.:thumbup:

[2BNTV]

barb1191 is back in TV and reports her and hubby's medical issue have been cleared up.

All's well that ends well. :smiley:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Suzi]

Hopefully will be moving to TV within the year but could not ignore this post as my hubby and myself are both in the health care profession and have been for many, many years. None of OUR generation is happy the way we see the health care systems going. We all remember the way it used to be: got sick - saw the english-speaking doctor within a reasonable timeframe - got reasonable treatment - got better. That was then. Now: get sick - call for appointment but first need to check insurance and coverage - finally after much waiting, see a doctor you cannot understand for a "couple of minutes" - go thru scads of testing and still no answers but lots of medication - don't get better - repeat....
I was in TV in September and on a Wednesday had to take a friend to the doctor for an emergent problem. Not a true emergency, but needed to be taken care of relatively quickly. She had not eaten solid food for 3 days because of stomach pain and bloat, she just consumed fluids. So we saw the doctor who was very difficult to understand (heavy accent) and his questions and exam was so inept that I was embarrased. After all, this is what I do for a living. I had a differential diagnosis list in my head but no license. The doctor had no specific plan but to "order" a test. I really didn't have a problem with that test....but it would have been nice if he had really examined her (like maybe "touch" her abdomen?) They scheduled a CT exam for Friday. Mind you, she had not had solid food and she was in pain. No offer of anything for pain or bloodwork to check to see if she was dehydrated. The "test" was scheduled for Friday (at the earliest because she was not on medicare and they had to check to see if her insurance plan would cover the test). I gave her some pain medicine (my own) and sent her to her home city/state for care.
I can't personally speak to any of the rest of the doctors in TV, but I can say that medical care MAY be less expensive for seniors in the future, but not better. This is a perfect example of a system "stressed" beyond capacity. With the beginning of the new health care system you can't add 12 million people who need health care to the existing health care providers (no matter who they are) and expect the same level of care as before. This doctor was inept at best or incompetent at worst. I was horrified, to say the least, but this problem is not limited to TV. You can expect this to be a glimpse of the future everywhere.
You need to be your own health advocate. You need to be an advocate for your family and loved ones AND your friends. If you are sick, don't go to the doctor alone. Remember - 2 heads are better than one. Make a list of symptoms and questions. Have a list of all current medicines. Write down what makes your "problem" better or worse. Find out what information the "test" is suppose to tell tell doctor. What is the medicine for, what is it suppose to do, and in what time frame. When will the doctor call you back about the test results. Be informed for yourself and others.
This is an important thought: have a doctor you trust and see them yearly, at least. Let the MD do a "real" complete physical exam while you are healthy. They will dictate all the pertinent info to your chart, so that when you get sick, they will more easily detect the abnormality from your prior exam.
And hope for the best. Live a healthy lifestyle in TV (lose weight, eat good food and exercise). Its the best we can do until we can't.

[graciegirl]

Hopefully will be moving to TV within the year but could not ignore this post as my hubby and myself are both in the health care profession and have been for many, many years. None of OUR generation is happy the way we see the health care systems going. We all remember the way it used to be: got sick - saw the english-speaking doctor within a reasonable timeframe - got reasonable treatment - got better. That was then. Now: get sick - call for appointment but first need to check insurance and coverage - finally after much waiting, see a doctor you cannot understand for a "couple of minutes" - go thru scads of testing and still no answers but lots of medication - don't get better - repeat....
I was in TV in September and on a Wednesday had to take a friend to the doctor for an emergent problem. Not a true emergency, but needed to be taken care of relatively quickly. She had not eaten solid food for 3 days because of stomach pain and bloat, she just consumed fluids. So we saw the doctor who was very difficult to understand (heavy accent) and his questions and exam was so inept that I was embarrased. After all, this is what I do for a living. I had a differential diagnosis list in my head but no license. The doctor had no specific plan but to "order" a test. I really didn't have a problem with that test....but it would have been nice if he had really examined her (like maybe "touch" her abdomen?) They scheduled a CT exam for Friday. Mind you, she had not had solid food and she was in pain. No offer of anything for pain or bloodwork to check to see if she was dehydrated. The "test" was scheduled for Friday (at the earliest because she was not on medicare and they had to check to see if her insurance plan would cover the test). I gave her some pain medicine (my own) and sent her to her home city/state for care.
I can't personally speak to any of the rest of the doctors in TV, but I can say that medical care MAY be less expensive for seniors in the future, but not better. This is a perfect example of a system "stressed" beyond capacity. With the beginning of the new health care system you can't add 12 million people who need health care to the existing health care providers (no matter who they are) and expect the same level of care as before. This doctor was inept at best or incompetent at worst. I was horrified, to say the least, but this problem is not limited to TV. You can expect this to be a glimpse of the future everywhere.
You need to be your own health advocate. You need to be an advocate for your family and loved ones AND your friends. If you are sick, don't go to the doctor alone. Remember - 2 heads are better than one. Make a list of symptoms and questions. Have a list of all current medicines. Write down what makes your "problem" better or worse. Find out what information the "test" is suppose to tell tell doctor. What is the medicine for, what is it suppose to do, and in what time frame. When will the doctor call you back about the test results. Be informed for yourself and others.
This is an important thought: have a doctor you trust and see them yearly, at least. Let the MD do a "real" complete physical exam while you are healthy. They will dictate all the pertinent info to your chart, so that when you get sick, they will more easily detect the abnormality from your prior exam.
And hope for the best. Live a healthy lifestyle in TV (lose weight, eat good food and exercise). Its the best we can do until we can't.

I sense you know of what you speak. Thank you for sticking your neck out to tell us.

[Trayderjoe]

I happened to be back in NJ recently and was listening to a radio talk show. The topic of discussion was a health care worker, who had visited her doctor and when the insurance bill came in, saw a code of which she was unfamiliar. As it turns out, she had apparently asked too many questions during her visit to her primary care physician, and the code on the insurance tab was used to cover the charge. While I can't attest to the validity of the story, another caller indicated that the LED display in her doctor's office indicates that each patient gets one question for the doctor for each visit.

[2BNTV]

Hopefully will be moving to TV within the year but could not ignore this post as my hubby and myself are both in the health care profession and have been for many, many years. None of OUR generation is happy the way we see the health care systems going. We all remember the way it used to be: got sick - saw the english-speaking doctor within a reasonable timeframe - got reasonable treatment - got better. That was then. Now: get sick - call for appointment but first need to check insurance and coverage - finally after much waiting, see a doctor you cannot understand for a "couple of minutes" - go thru scads of testing and still no answers but lots of medication - don't get better - repeat....
I was in TV in September and on a Wednesday had to take a friend to the doctor for an emergent problem. Not a true emergency, but needed to be taken care of relatively quickly. She had not eaten solid food for 3 days because of stomach pain and bloat, she just consumed fluids. So we saw the doctor who was very difficult to understand (heavy accent) and his questions and exam was so inept that I was embarrased. After all, this is what I do for a living. I had a differential diagnosis list in my head but no license. The doctor had no specific plan but to "order" a test. I really didn't have a problem with that test....but it would have been nice if he had really examined her (like maybe "touch" her abdomen?) They scheduled a CT exam for Friday. Mind you, she had not had solid food and she was in pain. No offer of anything for pain or bloodwork to check to see if she was dehydrated. The "test" was scheduled for Friday (at the earliest because she was not on medicare and they had to check to see if her insurance plan would cover the test). I gave her some pain medicine (my own) and sent her to her home city/state for care.
I can't personally speak to any of the rest of the doctors in TV, but I can say that medical care MAY be less expensive for seniors in the future, but not better. This is a perfect example of a system "stressed" beyond capacity. With the beginning of the new health care system you can't add 12 million people who need health care to the existing health care providers (no matter who they are) and expect the same level of care as before. This doctor was inept at best or incompetent at worst. I was horrified, to say the least, but this problem is not limited to TV. You can expect this to be a glimpse of the future everywhere.
You need to be your own health advocate. You need to be an advocate for your family and loved ones AND your friends. If you are sick, don't go to the doctor alone. Remember - 2 heads are better than one. Make a list of symptoms and questions. Have a list of all current medicines. Write down what makes your "problem" better or worse. Find out what information the "test" is suppose to tell tell doctor. What is the medicine for, what is it suppose to do, and in what time frame. When will the doctor call you back about the test results. Be informed for yourself and others.
This is an important thought: have a doctor you trust and see them yearly, at least. Let the MD do a "real" complete physical exam while you are healthy. They will dictate all the pertinent info to your chart, so that when you get sick, they will more easily detect the abnormality from your prior exam.
And hope for the best. Live a healthy lifestyle in TV (lose weight, eat good food and exercise). Its the best we can do until we can't.

Good advice. :agree:

[Pturner]

Barb, I'm thrilled to hear that you are back and wish you the best of health and happiness. Glad you were able to find the medical support you need here.

[silvertoken]

There are so many clubs in The Villages, I'm surprised they don't have one concerning this post. When I first came here I also had issues with some of these doctors but mostly with the administrators. I did get a book from The Villages hospital and much to my surprise a large percentage of the doctors are from the middle east countries not that I'm prejudice but I do have a hard time understanding them. This is crucial to me because I need instructions for medications I'm taking. My solution was to get advice from my elder neighbors who were at least 75 years old and above and have at least spent 20 years or more in The Villages area. The best advice is stay away from overcrowded waiting rooms. Find openings from reputable Doctors, because they will only take so many. Make sure the receptionist or admin is friendly. And stay away from Doctors who send you out for multiple test when nothing is wrong with you.

[Mack184]

If you have concerns about doctors from the middle east or other 3rd world countries (I do) I don't think about it racially. The US has the finest medical schools and hospitals in the world. When I look up the background of a doctor and they have not been trained 100% in the USA, then I won't see them. I don't care about their color, their religion or whatever, but if they haven't been trained in the US, then to me, I don't trust their abilities. While they might be just fine, you'll never convince me of it, which means that I'll never trust them, and if you're laying your heart, soul & life on the line to someone, you need to be able to trust them.

To me, it's the difference between a Rolls-Royce & a Yugo. I'll pick the Roller any time.

[ilovetv]

In the suburban cities/towns where we lived in several midwestern states, we and everyone we knew expected to drive 20/50/80 miles to a large university medical center for large-scale medical diagnostics, treatments, followups if we had a condition that was "big", rare, undiagnosable by local/primary drs., etc.

Here, for the big, rare, undiagnosed-but-you-know-something-is-terribly-wrong things, we expect to drive to Gainesville, Orlando, Jacksonville (Mayo), Tampa, or maybe as far as Miami as several neighbors have done in order to be treated by the "rock star" type of specialist (who can offer treatment/hope when all other options have been exhausted, etc.).

I don't see it as any different here. Wherever we've lived, we've done a lot of homework to find reliable, sound primary doctors and specialists locally, and have asked around a lot to find out who's a quack and who's brilliant and trustworthy and compassionate and easy to relate to.

There are both quacks and brilliant doctors everywhere, and the big-name, famous teaching hospitals are not immune from having a few quacks either. (To me a "quack" is not just somebody who's incompetent, but can also be somebody who is technically skilled and extremely knowledgeable, but the person has NO interpersonal skills, or their ego is so big and narcissistic that they refuse to admit they don't know everything and thus, do not refer you out when they ought to.....which boils down to POOR JUDGEMENT).

Asking friends/neighbors/acquaintances etc. like we do here is crucial to finding trustworthy and competent doctors. And then, I think, one must be willing to travel to the bigger cities for the bigger, rarer or very-sick-but-mysterious-or-odd things.

[PaPaLarry]

:BigApplause:[/B][/B]

Good advice. :agree:

[graciegirl]

in the suburban cities/towns where we lived in several midwestern states, we and everyone we knew expected to drive 20/50/80 miles to a large university medical center for large-scale medical diagnostics, treatments, followups if we had a condition that was "big", rare, undiagnosable by local/primary drs., etc.

Here, for the big, rare, undiagnosed-but-you-know-something-is-terribly-wrong things, we expect to drive to gainesville, orlando, jacksonville (mayo), tampa, or maybe as far as miami as several neighbors have done in order to be treated by the "rock star" type of specialist (who can offer treatment/hope when all other options have been exhausted, etc.).

I don't see it as any different here. Wherever we've lived, we've done a lot of homework to find reliable, sound primary doctors and specialists locally, and have asked around a lot to find out who's a quack and who's brilliant and trustworthy and compassionate and easy to relate to.

There are both quacks and brilliant doctors everywhere, and the big-name, famous teaching hospitals are not immune from having a few quacks either. (to me a "quack" is not just somebody who's incompetent, but can also be somebody who is technically skilled and extremely knowledgeable, but the person has no interpersonal skills, or their ego is so big and narcissistic that they refuse to admit they don't know everything and thus, do not refer you out when they ought to.....which boils down to poor judgement).

asking friends/neighbors/acquaintances etc. Like we do here is crucial to finding trustworthy and competent doctors. And then, i think, one must be willing to travel to the bigger cities for the bigger, rarer or very-sick-but-mysterious-or-odd things.

well said!

[Cynbod]

In the late 60's I attended Mount Sinai Hospital School of Nursing in NYC and after graduation I worked there for a few years. I remember that many of the interns and residents were from Pakistan (and probably many other countries). These guys worked hard and learned very well. The ones I knew personally became very skilled in the area they chose. Most of these MD's are still practicing and remained skilled and some even gifted. I would believe that most of these guys are as competent as any MD trained exclusively in the US. I would use them with confidence. Bedside manner is another issue, many MD's lack that.

[lovesports]

Totally agree Cynbod.

[Taltarzac725]

Anyone know about resources other than neighbors, friends, virtual buddies, colleagues, etc. as sources for information on people in the medical fields?

I have found the usual professional directories of very little value with respect to the care you might get from some M.D. or dentist. Anything else out there? Just because some doctor graduated from Harvard is not going to make her a good practioner. I also agree with Cynbod that just because some M.D. got her education in Pakistan is hardly a reason to believe she cannot do her job in an excellent manner. I had a roommate while at the U of MN who was an army doctor from South Korea. He was getting a Ph.D. so he could teach at a South Korean medical school.
He sounded like a very competent doctor from my discussions with him over nine months or so while he was a roommate.

There are of course the quack registeries and the like. Information about who and what malpractice claims have been made. http://patients.about.com/od/doctorinformationwebsites/a/malpracticeinfo.htm

I tried organizations when I was having my various troubles with the medical community in Pinellas County; they were of no luck though that I can remember.

I do remember when trying to put together a good pathfinder to information while at the U of MN Law Library people were the most important resource but that usually requires very good connections.


I cannot say that I have very good connections into the local medical community in the Villages or to those in the surrounding communities.

[Mack184]

While "bedside manner" is important to many people my wife always reminds me that surgeons especially, demonstrate the bulk of their talents while their patients are asleep. They are not all glad-handers. In fact her experience is that many of the best surgeons are not that great with their "bedside manner" and many who have a great bedisde manner are lousy surgeons. But do you want a friendly visit from uncle Charlie or do you want somebody who's going to save your life?

I am lucky to have some doctors who are both fine & friendly. However, last year I had a very tricky bit of kidney surgery. My kidney surgeon happens to have the "bedside manner" of a turnip, but I am VERY glad that I had him working the controls when the job was done. I want my doctor to fix me, I'm not interested in dating him or inviting him home for dinner. Are you looking for a friend, somebody to play golf with or somebody who's amazingly competent to handle your medicial situation?

IMHO picking a doctor with a pleasant bedside manner is over-rated. I'd rather pick somebody who KNOWS what they are doing, is top in their field and will get you fixed back up. If they happen to be uncle Charlie as well, that's a bonus. If you're looking for Hawkeye Pierce to be your doctor, give up the search. There was only one of them.

If it came to your car, would you pick a mechanic who knew what he was doing & wouldn't cheat you, but was a bit of a grump, or would you pick Smilin' Jack who wasn't so good with his skills and kept you coming back because he wasn't up on the latest information?

Yeah..I thought so.

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=Mack184;576133]While "bedside manner" is important to many people my wife always reminds me that surgeons especially, demonstrate the bulk of their talents while their patients are asleep. They are not all glad-handers. In fact her experience is that many of the best surgeons are not that great with their "bedside manner" and many who have a great bedisde manner are lousy surgeons. But do you want a friendly visit from uncle Charlie or do you want somebody who's going to save your life?

I am lucky to have some doctors who are both fine & friendly. However, last year I had a very tricky bit of kidney surgery. My kidney surgeon happens to have the "bedside manner" of a turnip, but I am VERY glad that I had him working the controls when the job was done. I want my doctor to fix me, I'm not interested in dating him or inviting him home for dinner. Are you looking for a friend, somebody to play golf with or somebody who's amazingly competent to handle your medicial situation?

IMHO picking a doctor with a pleasant bedside manner is over-rated. I'd rather pick somebody who KNOWS what they are doing, is top in their field and will get you fixed back up. If they happen to be uncle Charlie as well, that's a bonus. If you're looking for Hawkeye Pierce to be your doctor, give up the search. There was only one of them.

If it came to your car, would you pick a mechanic who knew what he was doing & wouldn't cheat you, but was a bit of a grump, or would you pick Smilin' Jack who wasn't so good with his skills and kept you coming back because he wasn't up on the latest information?



Excellent post.

[ilovetv]

IMHO picking a doctor with a pleasant bedside manner is over-rated. I'd rather pick somebody who KNOWS what they are doing, is top in their field and will get you fixed back up. If they happen to be uncle Charlie as well, that's a bonus. If you're looking for Hawkeye Pierce to be your doctor, give up the search. There was only one of them...

I agree with this whole post. But let's not forget that being a "gladhand" or "hand holder" or "pal" is not synonymous with being a "good communicator". A talented, bright, skilled and "unfriendly" doctor, who poorly communicates to the patient why they need a procedure/treatment and therefore does not lead the patient toward a well-informed decision, can be disastrous.

A person can be "quiet" or "introverted" but still make their case effectively by being a clear, concise communicator. With the skilled and super-smart introverts I know, they don't say much, but when they do, you'd better listen......and take it to the bank.

[Mack184]

I agree with you, but I would then say that many people equate glad-handing and hand-holding in a physician as "good bedside manner". The funny thing is, if it was a politician who was behaving in that manner, the first thing they would do would be to check for their ring, watch & wallet. Glad-handing is NOT good communication, and people seeking a medical professional shouldn't confuse the two.

[Mack184]

[QUOTE=Mack184;576133]While "bedside manner" is important to many people my wife always reminds me that surgeons especially, demonstrate the bulk of their talents while their patients are asleep. They are not all glad-handers. In fact her experience is that many of the best surgeons are not that great with their "bedside manner" and many who have a great bedisde manner are lousy surgeons. But do you want a friendly visit from uncle Charlie or do you want somebody who's going to save your life?

I am lucky to have some doctors who are both fine & friendly. However, last year I had a very tricky bit of kidney surgery. My kidney surgeon happens to have the "bedside manner" of a turnip, but I am VERY glad that I had him working the controls when the job was done. I want my doctor to fix me, I'm not interested in dating him or inviting him home for dinner. Are you looking for a friend, somebody to play golf with or somebody who's amazingly competent to handle your medicial situation?

IMHO picking a doctor with a pleasant bedside manner is over-rated. I'd rather pick somebody who KNOWS what they are doing, is top in their field and will get you fixed back up. If they happen to be uncle Charlie as well, that's a bonus. If you're looking for Hawkeye Pierce to be your doctor, give up the search. There was only one of them.

If it came to your car, would you pick a mechanic who knew what he was doing & wouldn't cheat you, but was a bit of a grump, or would you pick Smilin' Jack who wasn't so good with his skills and kept you coming back because he wasn't up on the latest information?



Excellent post.
I think I'm honored.