The political rhetoric becomes surreal.

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Barney Frank Slams Allen West: 'Not Even Joe McCarthy Would Have Said Anything So Stupid' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/barney-frank-allen-west_n_1418537.html)

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But Allen West would. :mad:

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And this is Sarah Palin's pick for vice president a heart beat away from the presidency?

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Yes, Allen West definitely is a loon. He makes a ridiculous statement that 78-81 Democrats in the House are card carrying Communist Party members but will not say who he means. Toss this idiot out on his ear.

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Barney Frank Slams Allen West: 'Not Even Joe McCarthy Would Have Said Anything So Stupid' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/barney-frank-allen-west_n_1418537.html)

I want you to know how difficult it is for me to in anyway agree with Barney Frank who is in my opinion...never mind, but he is right. This is not the kind of inflammatory talk that is needed. Why folks cannot discuss issues without the ridicule factor just amazes me. If you cannot make your point ON the issues, stop with the personality stuff.

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The point is, Bucco, that Congressman Allen West is a loon. He should be censured by Congress just like Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy was censured.

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and Barney Frank, using your flair for associative, derogatory names, would be called what?

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PS...does not imply I am in favor of Allen or his commentary.....just very simply curious what your label is for Frank...nothing more.

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The point is, Bucco, that Congressman Allen West is a loon. He should be censured by Congress just like Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy was censured.

But Joe McCarthy was proven right.

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Alan West in essence is right though, except that they may not actually have "cards".

I'm sure that's the crux of the comment he made, and was being a bit facetious in saying they actually have "cards".

Bavarian, you are spot on the money with your comment. Liberals are going to be annoyed that you pointed that out, though. They refuse to talk about that.

Barney Frank of "male escort service out of his basement fame" is going to reprimand an American hero like Allen West..............really? Talk about a loon.

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Talking about loons!

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Alan West in essence is right though, except that they may not actually have "cards".

I'm sure that's the crux of the comment he made, and was being a bit facetious in saying they actually have "cards".

Bavarian, you are spot on the money with your comment. Liberals are going to be annoyed that you pointed that out, though. They refuse to talk about that.

Barney Frank of "male escort service out of his basement fame" is going to reprimand an American hero like Allen West..............really? Talk about a loon.

Except that Tail Gunner Joe was not right unless you buy Ann Coulter's revisionist history of the man.

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Except that Tail Gunner Joe was not right unless you buy Ann Coulter's revisionist history of the man.

Revisionist?; okay you can delude yourself if you want. It's not my concern.

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The Communist Party has denied that any member of congress is a member of their party.

Communist Party slams Allan West.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75037.html

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Talking about loons!

Don't look into mirrors if it's that upsetting.

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Revisionist?; okay you can delude yourself if you want. It's not my concern.



Ann Coulter is a very gifted writer but she is basically a jester. Joe Conason Reviews Ann Coulter's Treason (http://www.yuricareport.com/RevisitedBks/CoulterTreason.html)

I never take anything she writes seriously. I doubt if she does either.

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The Communist Party has denied that any member of congress is a member of their party.

:a20: :1rotfl: :a20: :1rotfl:

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Ann Coulter is a very gifted writer but she is basically a jester. Joe Conason Reviews Ann Coulter's Treason (http://www.yuricareport.com/RevisitedBks/CoulterTreason.html)

I never take anything she writes seriously. I doubt is she does either.

Whatever; like I said, you're entitled to delusions.

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Whatever; like I said, you're entitled to delusions.

Check the facts rather than making personal attacks on fellow posters! It is very mean spirited.

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Check the facts rather than making personal attacks on fellow posters! It is very mean spirited.

To attribute Ms. Coulter's columns to mere jesting is ignorant. How should I respond? If you were just a flamethrower like most of the other libs on this forum I wouldn't even care.

But you're too intelligent for such an inane post.

I'll have to leave it at that for a while as I've other appointments. I'll check it all out later.

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I want you to know how difficult it is for me to in anyway agree with Barney Frank who is in my opinion...never mind, but he is right. This is not the kind of inflammatory talk that is needed. Why folks cannot discuss issues without the ridicule factor just amazes me. If you cannot make your point ON the issues, stop with the personality stuff.

The issue reported in the original post does not require your personal opinion of Barney Frank. Oh, is Barney a Democrat? I guess that makes him fair game for you no matter what the subject.

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The issue reported in the original post does not require your personal opinion of Barney Frank. Oh, is Barney a Democrat? I guess that makes him fair game for you no matter what the subject.

I'm sure you would feel the same way if someone posted a comment by Sarah Palin or George W. Bush. You wouldn't care about the source, but would just address the comment.

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The issue reported in the original post does not require your personal opinion of Barney Frank. Oh, is Barney a Democrat? I guess that makes him fair game for you no matter what the subject.

DID NOT GIVE AN OPINION OF FRANK......ONLY OPINIONS were those of posters on the other side demonizing other people.

Since you accused me, would you please give me the quote where I gave an opinion on Barney Frank ?

Your inability to do so is what makes some posters posts so invalid ! I suggest that you read more and you will find the character assassination is pretty much coming from one side and now if you read they are going after Romney's wife, which I find amazing.

I am hoping to see that quote you have of me giving my opinion of Barney Frank to validate your accusation and I will make a public apology.

If you actually read you will find my only opinion was to criticize the Republican involved.

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Leader of the Pac is rapidly losing credibility. :mad:

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Leader of the Pac is rapidly losing credibility. :mad:

Didnt realize the Mr MARK was your leader but yes, he has NO credibility !

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Alan West is not an American hero.

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Alan West is not an American hero.

I am very curious why you feel that way ?

Not condoning anything here, but why do you criticize him and think him less of a hero...... because of his registration card ?

I consider all the military who served as american heros and wonder why he is not in your opinion !

Thanks

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Simple,if you are going to accuse people of being communist name names. He is anyhting but a hero. McCarthy named names when he accused people. I have a large problem when a person demeans others but can't or won't name names. Why? A lie perhaps? Preaching false information? He said it prove it or shut up.

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Simple,if you are going to accuse people of being communist name names. He is anyhting but a hero. McCarthy named names when he accused people. I have a large problem when a person demeans others but can't or won't name names. Why? A lie perhaps? Preaching false information? He said it prove it or shut up.

I can agree with that...sounded a lot like one of Joe Bidens rants over the years except he talked a lot longer.

And I share your " large problem when a person demeans others,,,,"

BUT I do not make any conditions about naming names. Demeaning another person for whatever reason, including politics, is a pretty low game to play and speaks to the character of the one demeaning. I can recall all the names that Palin was called on this forum..and I name her because I have never seen such personal tirades against someone like that. Not just her, but her entire family.

But I digress....we agree in general...hoping you will share that feeling of yours with others on here.

BUT I reserve the right to call a hero anyone who has risked their lives for me and this country !!!!!

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methinks these liberals protest too much. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

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Simple,if you are going to accuse people of being communist name names. He is anyhting but a hero. McCarthy named names when he accused people. I have a large problem when a person demeans others but can't or won't name names. Why? A lie perhaps? Preaching false information? He said it prove it or shut up.

I don't think calling a communist a communist is demeaning. Unless of course the communist is denying his pedigree and you just have his back.

I get that.

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While I do not approve of name calling, I dont get the big deal.

When the Communist Party of America overwhelmingly endorsed the President in 2008, I posted that fact and was strongly told...so what...the Communist party is not what it used to be and it means nothing.

Now it does mean something I suppose to be called one...not sure I understand that entirely.

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I took the thread starters link as gospel but now find some new twists to this as I did my own investigation......

""The Congressman was referring to the 76 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. The Communist Party has publicly referred to the Progressive Caucus as its allies. The Progressive Caucus speaks for itself. These individuals certainly aren't proponents of free markets or individual economic freedom," Melvin said in a statement to The Huffington Post."

And not only the above but here is a transcript of what transpired that shows exactly what he said and NOT what Frank characterized...

"Moderator: What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card-carrying Marxists or International Socialist?

West: It's a good question. I believe there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party who are members of the Communist Party. It's called the Congressional Progressive Caucus."

Allen West: I've 'Heard' 80 House Democrats Are Communist Party Members (UPDATE) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/allen-west-democrats-communist-party_n_1417279.html)

Puts it all in a bit of different light !!!!

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Congressional Progressive Caucus : Caucus Members (http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=71&sectiontree=2,71)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus

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Hmm, methinks the uber-conservatives are just puffery without any substance.

Why not look at why Allen West was asked to resign from the Army and post some information about that?

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While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[6] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[6] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted nor witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[6] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Hamoodi appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[6] Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[10] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head,[6] after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[6] At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[6] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[6]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[10] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[6] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[11]

At his hearing, West pointed out that there were no further ambushes against American forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.[12] After West's retirement he received more than 2,000 letters and e-mails offering him moral support.[6] A letter supporting West was signed by 95 members of Congress and sent to the Secretary of the Army.[6]

In September 2010, West spoke in defense of a group of U.S. military personnel known as the "Leavenworth 10" who were convicted of war crimes.[13]

Allen West (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_%28politician%29)

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Allen West looks like a genuine hero. Heroes still can say stupid things and do stupid things in the heat of battle.

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Definitely, I would NOT call West a hero. He was charged with and found guilty of violating Army regulations. He was fined $5,000 and was let to retire at the rank of LTC. West used the same tactic of firing a pistol close to a POW's head as the North Koreans used on American POW's during the Korean Conflict and the US called them barbaric.

West deserves to be expelled from the House of Representatives or censured at the very least.

As for TailGunner Joe McCarthy being correct according to Ann Coulter - well, Ann Coulter has but one objective and that is to make money from her drones with her "pithy" writings. Unfortunately, there are plenty of her drones around who believe her rhetoric and, yes, plenty of them on this forum.

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This is kind of like how David Duke, unrepentant Klansman, was saying he was allied with the Republican Party (who wanted no part of him).

The Progressive Caucus wouldn't want any part of the CPUSA but they can't control what some CPUSA spokesman says.

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I want you to know how difficult it is for me to in anyway agree with Barney Frank who is in my opinion...never mind, but he is right. This is not the kind of inflammatory talk that is needed. Why folks cannot discuss issues without the ridicule factor just amazes me. If you cannot make your point ON the issues, stop with the personality stuff.

Well said Bucco, I am proud of you for this stance. This is the worst kind of demigoguery, painting people with a broad brush leaving all who are wont to distrust them anyway to wonder which are the guilty ones, and thinking that any they don't like are the ones. Playing to peoples fears and prejudices may help you get noticed and appreciated by other radicals of the same persuasion, but will ultimately get you no real political advantage, and in fact, may well hurt your and your parties position. Card carrying communists - patently false and ridiculous. And those of you who are now willing to lionize the disgraced and dangerous Sen. McCarthy have lost all credibility IMO.

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I think in the end the Democrats are going to be sorry they opened this can of worms by challenging the great young Congressman from Florida.

They're going to have a hard time parsing words in separating the Congressional Progressive Caucus from it's platform with it's socialist (communist?) ideals.

This is a dialogue I'm sure the Democrats won't want to have at this point in the campaign.

"How plausible is it that such a sizable percentage of Democrats in the House of Representatives really prefer a centrally planned economy to a free market economy? "

Think about it...........

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/08/american-socialists-release-names-of-70-congressional-democrats-in-their-caucus/

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/11/allen-west-ive-heard-80-house-democrats-are-members-of-the-communist-party/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2870973/posts?page=11

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wait until we get closer to the election and watch the pattern!

btk

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I think in the end the Democrats are going to be sorry they opened this can of worms by challenging the great young Congressman from Florida.

They're going to have a hard time parsing words in separating the Congressional Progressive Caucus from it's platform with it's socialist (communist?) ideals.

This is a dialogue I'm sure the Democrats won't want to have at this point in the campaign.

"How plausible is it that such a sizable percentage of Democrats in the House of Representatives really prefer a centrally planned economy to a free market economy? "

Think about it...........

American Socialists Release Names of 70 Congressional Democrats in Their Ranks | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/08/american-socialists-release-names-of-70-congressional-democrats-in-their-caucus/)

Allen West: I’ve “heard” 80 House Democrats are members of the Communist Party « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/11/allen-west-ive-heard-80-house-democrats-are-members-of-the-communist-party/)

Allen West versus the Communists - A new adventure in creative editing. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2870973/posts?page=11)

I am very disappointed in this attempt of a reply from you. It is far beneath your capabilities and you certainly can do a lot better. This basically sounds like an attempt in a half-hearted manner just for the sake of a reply. Put some clear thought in your posts and you will be more respected.

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I want to make something very clear to those have called this man West something less than a hero.....

I consider, despite those of you who disagree, any man who served to protect this country to be a hero !!!!

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Bucco,

I am sure Senator John Kerry and former Senator Max Cleland thank you for your recognition of them as heroes. I know I thank you for recognizing me as a hero for my service.

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I am very disappointed in this attempt of a reply from you. It is far beneath your capabilities and you certainly can do a lot better. This basically sounds like an attempt in a half-hearted manner just for the sake of a reply. Put some clear thought in your posts and you will be more respected.

You're kidding, right? Well I guess this proves I'm on the right track when an avowed lefty like you expresses dismay at my post.

Clear thought??; the reds have come through the gate and are sitting in our House. Is that clear enough.

I find it illuminating that the CPUSA expressed outrage that anybody think a commie might be sitting in the left wing of Congress. I would expect them to say "What's wrong with that, if true?"; but no, they expressed outrage.

If any protests too much, it's them; and who are they covering for. Look at my links; there's 70 names of socialists in Congress in 2010.

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DID NOT GIVE AN OPINION OF FRANK......ONLY OPINIONS were those of posters on the other side demonizing other people.

Since you accused me, would you please give me the quote where I gave an opinion on Barney Frank ?

Your inability to do so is what makes some posters posts so invalid ! I suggest that you read more and you will find the character assassination is pretty much coming from one side and now if you read they are going after Romney's wife, which I find amazing.

I am hoping to see that quote you have of me giving my opinion of Barney Frank to validate your accusation and I will make a public apology.

If you actually read you will find my only opinion was to criticize the Republican involved.

"I want you to know how difficult it is for me to in anyway agree with Barney Frank who is in my opinion...never mind"

If this isn't an implied opinion of Frank I'd like to know what you call it? And yes, I do read well enough to have seen that you did in fact take exception to the to the comments of the 2012 version of Joe McCarthy.

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Allen West: I've 'Heard' 80 House Democrats Are Communist Party Members (UPDATE) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/allen-west-democrats-communist-party_n_1417279.html)

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The uber-conservatives are sounding like a large group of drones who have just been kicked out of the bee nest. Buzz, buzz, but with no stinger and they just fly away with Allen West at the lead.

Ann Coulter is happy with these drones and her bank account is even happier. Hey, I bet Ann doesn't pay income tax based on her drone investments!

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do you consider socialism akin to communism? it should be possible to google Democratic Socialist Party and find about 70 members of congress are members. the ideology is definitely anti-capitalism under any name.

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do you consider socialism akin to communism? it should be possible to google Democratic Socialist Party and find about 70 members of congress are members. the ideology is definitely anti-capitalism under any name.

It is not Communism though and does not have the connotations that seeing red would have.

Do you mean this group chachacha-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America?

I could not actually find a "Democratic Socialist Party" in the U.S.

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Urban Dictionary: Useful idiot (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Useful%20idiot)

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do you consider socialism akin to communism? it should be possible to google Democratic Socialist Party and find about 70 members of congress are members. the ideology is definitely anti-capitalism under any name.

It looks like WorldNetDaily is the source of this number. WorldNetDaily - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily)

And, they talk about the Democratic Socialists of America. http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

This is a good article about the difference between "socialism," "communism," and "liberalism." http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/255789/socialism-v-liberalism-v-communism-jonah-goldberg

"Here’s my problem. Socialism isn’t the scare word Weigel and others (David Frum comes to mind) say it is. I will be honest and admit that I wish it was more of a scare word than it is, but it’s really not one. I don’t think Americans think of gulags, bread lines and Red Dawn when they hear the word 'socialist.' They think of those things when they hear the word 'Communist,' which is a different thing than socialism (or at least that’s what every book on the subject and every sincere democratic socialist I’ve ever spoken to says)." From the above Jonah Goldberg article.

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It looks like WorldNetDaily is the source of this number. WorldNetDaily - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily)

And, they talk about the Democratic Socialists of America. Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html)

This is a good article about the difference between "socialism," "communism," and "liberalism." Socialism v. Liberalism v. Communism - By Jonah Goldberg - The Corner - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/255789/socialism-v-liberalism-v-communism-jonah-goldberg)

"Here’s my problem. Socialism isn’t the scare word Weigel and others (David Frum comes to mind) say it is. I will be honest and admit that I wish it was more of a scare word than it is, but it’s really not one. I don’t think Americans think of gulags, bread lines and Red Dawn when they hear the word 'socialist.' They think of those things when they hear the word 'Communist,' which is a different thing than socialism (or at least that’s what every book on the subject and every sincere democratic socialist I’ve ever spoken to says)." From the above Jonah Goldberg article.

Jonah Goldberg is saying he wishes that "socialism" was a "scare word" for people, but admits that it's not.

I agree with Mr. Goldberg that I would love it if more people recognized that the great murderous regimes of the 20th century all did their killing in the name of one flavor or another of socialism.

As Mr. Goldberg also opines in his essay; "can an American liberal explain what exactly differentiates the goals, ambitions and/or philosophical drives of, say, the liberal wing of the Democratic Party from European social democrats? Is there anything fundamental to social democracy that Nancy Pelosi (forget Obama for the moment) disagrees with because she is a liberal and not a “socialist”? Is there anything Nancy Pelosi believes about the role of the state that would cause the average Swedish or British social democrat to object?"

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Richie begins with the premise that Stalin's Russia was a Communist regime. It wasn't. It was a Facist regime. They are NOT the same thing at all.

Joseph Stalin was a corrupt bureaucrat that warped the Socialist ideals of Marx and Lenin (and other Marxists) into a totalitarian regime where the state controlled absolutely everything. Communism by default is highly against a state even existing. Stalin was not a Communist or a Socialist by any means. He was a fascist and used force to control everyone and everything.

The only difference between Stalin and Hitler was Stalin did not kill people because they were of a certain race. Hitler was a facist who tried eliminating Jews, Poles, homosexuals, Poles, and others.

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Richie begins with the premise that Stalin's Russia was a Communist regime. It wasn't. It was a Facist regime. They are NOT the same thing at all.

Joseph Stalin was a corrupt bureaucrat that warped the Socialist ideals of Marx and Lenin (and other Marxists) into a totalitarian regime where the state controlled absolutely everything. Communism by default is highly against a state even existing. Stalin was not a Communist or a Socialist by any means. He was a fascist and used force to control everyone and everything.

The only difference between Stalin and Hitler was Stalin did not kill people because they were of a certain race. Hitler was a facist who tried eliminating Jews, Poles, homosexuals, Poles, and others.

Well whichever one of these socialist regimes or philosophies is closest to the Democrat Party is immaterial.

They all are anti-American in philosophy and ideals, as is the present day Democrat Party.

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Well whichever one of these socialist regimes or philosophies is closest to the Democrat Party is immaterial.

They all are anti-American in philosophy and ideals, as is the present day Democrat Party.

I will stand corrected if wrong, but both are typically government control and anti capitalism.

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Well whichever one of these socialist regimes or philosophies is closest to the Democrat Party is immaterial.

They all are anti-American in philosophy and ideals, as is the present day Democrat Party.

"Anti-american in philosophy and ideals".

Not sure what you mean with this. I would say that the US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and The Federalist Papers represent the Founding Fathers thoughts and ideals.

Many readers have labelled them "socialist" when asked on the street where certain quotes come from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Papers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton

I wonder what Allen West would do with Alexander Hamilton's ideas? They do look very much like those found in some "socialist" writings.

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All of these railings and the uber-conservatives are still gladly accepting their Social Security checks every month and their Medicare treatments. Ask them and they say, "we paid for them". Pull up your big boy pants and accept the fact, you are in favor of socialism when it benefits you.

Without Social Security, a goodly portion of you wuber-conservatives would probably be sitting by the side of the hiway underpass in your home of a refrigerator carton because you saved NOTHING during your working career.

All of you should be thanking Social Security for your checks every month and you will probably draw out much more than you every put in the system.

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Well whichever one of these socialist regimes or philosophies is closest to the Democrat Party is immaterial.

They all are anti-American in philosophy and ideals, as is the present day Democrat Party.


I would say that Allen West, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum are prime examples of what is wrong with America at the present day.

Don't worry about a socialist program - worry about fanatics like those people I mentioned.

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All of these railings and the uber-conservatives are still gladly accepting their Social Security checks every month and their Medicare treatments. Ask them and they say, "we paid for them". Pull up your big boy pants and accept the fact, you are in favor of socialism when it benefits you.

Without Social Security, a goodly portion of you wuber-conservatives would probably be sitting by the side of the hiway underpass in your home of a refrigerator carton because you saved NOTHING during your working career.

All of you should be thanking Social Security for your checks every month and you will probably draw out much more than you every put in the system.

Absolutely right on. :ho:

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All of these railings and the uber-conservatives are still gladly accepting their Social Security checks every month and their Medicare treatments. Ask them and they say, "we paid for them". Pull up your big boy pants and accept the fact, you are in favor of socialism when it benefits you.

Without Social Security, a goodly portion of you wuber-conservatives would probably be sitting by the side of the hiway underpass in your home of a refrigerator carton because you saved NOTHING during your working career.

All of you should be thanking Social Security for your checks every month and you will probably draw out much more than you every put in the system.

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

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"Anti-american in philosophy and ideals".

Not sure what you mean with this. I would say that the US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and The Federalist Papers represent the Founding Fathers thoughts and ideals.

Many readers have labelled them "socialist" when asked on the street where certain quotes come from.

Federalist Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Papers)
General Welfare clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause)
Alexander Hamilton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton)

I wonder what Allen West would do with Alexander Hamilton's ideas? They do look very much like those found in some "socialist" writings.

Your "many readers" are quite ignorant.

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All of these railings and the uber-conservatives are still gladly accepting their Social Security checks every month and their Medicare treatments. Ask them and they say, "we paid for them". Pull up your big boy pants and accept the fact, you are in favor of socialism when it benefits you.

Without Social Security, a goodly portion of you wuber-conservatives would probably be sitting by the side of the hiway underpass in your home of a refrigerator carton because you saved NOTHING during your working career.

All of you should be thanking Social Security for your checks every month and you will probably draw out much more than you every put in the system.

Ridiculous argument. Nobody has a choice in their participation into this program which was scammed into practice as an "insurance program" and then unconscionably transformed in it's present day "entitlement" by the "Godfather of Socialist Democrats"

Money was forcibly extracted from the paychecks of every working American to fund this "insurance program/entitlement" with the promise that they would get back this money on retirement.

I know I've won the Socialist argument with a Socialist Democrat when they bring up Social Security.

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I am sure that insulting the greatest percentage of Village residents was your intent and you accomplished that.

WOW...knowing that SS does not come from income tax but only from those who work in payroll taxes really makes your insult to all that worked hard all their life even more bitter to take.

How you folks are so wise and know all the stuff you pronounce is just astounding....I suppose insulting people is reserved for those of you who simply KNOW it all....I find the insult and the accompanying agreements and rounds of applause quite telling.

This statement "Without Social Security, a goodly portion of you wuber-conservatives would probably be sitting by the side of the hiway underpass in your home of a refrigerator carton because you saved NOTHING during your working career." should really put the majority of Villages residents on notice that you are on to them.

I should have watched my Democrat workmates to see how it is done.

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Ridiculous argument. Nobody has a choice in their participation into this program which was scammed into practice as an "insurance program" and then unconscionably transformed in it's present day "entitlement" by the "Godfather of Socialist Democrats"

Money was forcibly extracted from the paychecks of every working American to fund this "insurance program/entitlement" with the promise that they would get back this money on retirement.

I know I've won the Socialist argument with a Socialist Democrat when they bring up Social Security.

Wrong Again, Richie. It is amazing that these rantings by the wuber-conservatives always hinge on the same thing. "I had to pay but it was not fair." You know in your little heart (on the left side of your chest) that if it was not for Social Security that many, many of (yes) your fellow ranters would not be retired today but still working because they did not save money.

It is always fun to hear your rants, Richie, keep it up. Looking forward to seeing you soon at the watering hole so we can talk about this in person over an ice-cold Yeungling. Laughing is healthy and you are keeping me healthy!:1rotfl:

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Ridiculous argument. Nobody has a choice in their participation into this program which was scammed into practice as an "insurance program" and then unconscionably transformed in it's present day "entitlement" by the "Godfather of Socialist Democrats"

Money was forcibly extracted from the paychecks of every working American to fund this "insurance program/entitlement" with the promise that they would get back this money on retirement.

I know I've won the Socialist argument with a Socialist Democrat when they bring up Social Security.

Do you mean Teddy or Franklin Delano Roosevelt as the "Godfather of Social Democrats"?

New Nationalism Speech by Theodore Roosevelt (http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=501)

http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/05/theodore-roosevelt-and-social-democracy.html

http://www.ssa.gov/history/fdrstmts.html

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Ridiculous argument. Nobody has a choice in their participation into this program which was scammed into practice as an "insurance program" and then unconscionably transformed in it's present day "entitlement" by the "Godfather of Socialist Democrats"

Money was forcibly extracted from the paychecks of every working American to fund this "insurance program/entitlement" with the promise that they would get back this money on retirement.

I know I've won the Socialist argument with a Socialist Democrat when they bring up Social Security.

Of course you have a choice for participating in the program. In fact, you have a perfect opportunity now that you are 62 (from your TOTV profile) to show us all what what a fool you are by simply not applying for Social Security now that you're becoming eligible. Or, apply and we'll know what a hypocrite you are.

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I hope that someday some folks will come on here and talk about the things that are important instead of taking personal cheap shots at other posters or those in the news.

Probably not going to happen....suppose there is much to be gained within yourself by making fun.....oh well

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Bucco,
Can you honestly tell me that Social Security is not a good thing? Can you honestly tell me you believe that all or most all Americans would have saved a good portion of their monthly paycheck and would have enough money saved to carry them comfortably from retirement until death? Social security is a safety net. Some people live entirely on it in retirement, though.

Social Security also provides for living expenses for widows and children.

What would you propose for those that did not do so? Would you be content to see them penniless and homeless? No, you would not as that would be inhumane and callous.

You should take me on my invite to join RichieLion and a few others at the watering hole for light discussion and ice-cold Yeunglings.

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Bucco,
Can you honestly tell me that Social Security is not a good thing? Can you honestly tell me you believe that all or most all Americans would have saved a good portion of their monthly paycheck and would have enough money saved to carry them comfortably from retirement until death? Social security is a safety net. Some people live entirely on it in retirement, though.

Social Security also provides for living expenses for widows and children.

What would you propose for those that did not do so? Would you be content to see them penniless and homeless? No, you would not as that would be inhumane and callous.

You should take me on my invite to join RichieLion and a few others at the watering hole for light discussion and ice-cold Yeunglings.

All I can HONESTLY say is...I dont know how it would be without it.

I was given no choice and thus as I aged it became part of my planning and I would assume those who you have attacked and assailed on here because they collect SS would have done the same.

When a president proposed a discussion on choice of how this is done, he was ridiculed and laughed at, so I cannot answer your question as it was part of what the government took and promised in return. No choice came my way on it and it was part of my retirement planning.

Why you find it necessary to attack folks on this issue as if they had a choice is beyond me. I am betting most are in the same boat as me...nobody asked..government mandated it..thus I used it in my planning.

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All I can HONESTLY say is...I dont know how it would be without it.

I was given no choice and thus as I aged it became part of my planning and I would assume those who you have attacked and assailed on here because they collect SS would have done the same.

When a president proposed a discussion on choice of how this is done, he was ridiculed and laughed at, so I cannot answer your question as it was part of what the government took and promised in return. No choice came my way on it and it was part of my retirement planning.

Why you find it necessary to attack folks on this issue as if they had a choice is beyond me. I am betting most are in the same boat as me...nobody asked..government mandated it..thus I used it in my planning.

Not only did it become part of MY planning but it became part of my company's planning for my retirement income. At age 65, my retirement income went down by the amount that SS was going to pay me at age 65.

The same with Medicare. When I turned 65, Medicare became my primary health insurance and my company provided health insurance became my secondary health insurance.

To me it is an entitlement only if you did not work and deposit large sums of money into SS and Medicare all of your working life and all you do is put your hand out and say "Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!"

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Wrong Again, Richie. It is amazing that these rantings by the wuber-conservatives always hinge on the same thing. "I had to pay but it was not fair." You know in your little heart (on the left side of your chest) that if it was not for Social Security that many, many of (yes) your fellow ranters would not be retired today but still working because they did not save money.

It is always fun to hear your rants, Richie, keep it up. Looking forward to seeing you soon at the watering hole so we can talk about this in person over an ice-cold Yeungling. Laughing is healthy and you are keeping me healthy!:1rotfl:

Still ridiculous and off subject. This addressing of Social Security, which you brought into this discussion, was on the nature of it, period.

Whether I would have used the money to better purpose is irrelevant to this discussion in the context in which you initiated it.

So, we're back to diversion and ridicule when the absence of facts don't support your contentions. (I am addressing all lefties here, and not just you)

Your deviation from your own point is a bit laughable.