Sarah Palin on Hilary Rosen's comment.

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Sarah Palin: Hilary Rosen Comments 'Awakened Many Mama Grizzlies' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/sarah-palin-hilary-rosen-_n_1423231.html)

Yes she kicked the sleeping bears, but it was just a stupid comment from some pundit who does not speak for anyone but Hilary Rosen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/obama-hilary-rosen-being-a-mom_n_1422036.html

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...and Ms. Rosen apologized to Ann Romney for her poor choice of words. Case closed.

Lots of the political supporters or commentators say the wrong thing and quickly take them back. For example, look at the link regarding one of Santorum's top contributors and what he said regarding President Obama while on the Lou Dobbs program. Even Dobbs appeared shocked.

http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-donor-foster-friess-hopes-obamas-teleprompters-bulletproof-141944891--abc-news-politics.html

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Those of us who have actually been stay-at-home mothers know from experience that this is the arrogant attitude of so many "open-minded", "tolerant" leftist females.

The implication is and always has been that we're too lazy and dumb to do anything else. To be fair, the implication stay-at-home moms throw at moms out in the paid world of work is that they put self-recognition and their income at a higher priority than their kids whom they "neglect". Neither of these accusations should be cast across the whole population of mothers in the U.S.A. I think we all know individual moms (and dads) who do fit those descriptions to one extent or another.

Rosen by no means "speaks only for one person--herself". A hired strategist for the DNC is not bringing only her opinions and experiences to them for strategic planning of campaign attacks.

"White House visitor logs indicate that “Hilary Rosen” visited the White House 35 times.

Gen. David Petraeus, head of our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the current CIA director, nine times.

Further perspective: Energy Secretary Stephen/Steve Chu visited 16 times. ....

Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki has visited 19 times.

Former CIA director and current Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, 12 times.

Perhaps most surprisingly, the name “Joseph R. Biden” appears . . . 6 times.

At least Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner managed to get into the White House more frequently than Rosen, but not by much. He has visited 40 times.

So the notion that Rosen is just some Democrat talking head, completely disconnected from the Obama administration and campaign is . . . not plausible."

Hilary Rosen, Frequent White House Visitor - By Jim Geraghty - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/295838/hillary-rosen-frequent-white-house-visitor)

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Rosen should apologize - to Mrs. Romney's 22 housekeepers, her nanny, her chauffeur, her social planner, her maid, and her cook.

Really, nobody appreciates how difficult it is to be a proxy mom.

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If Hilary Rosen had said "Ann Romney has never worked a day outside the home in her life" instead of "Ann Romney has never worked a day in her life" she would have been totally accurate.

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and you can support that accuracy because ......???????
Or just catty/snide commentary?
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No matter if a person apologizes or not the words can never be taken back.Forgiveness can be given but words are never forgotten. Thats why the saying silence is golden. As we age that is something we all learn.

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No matter if a person apologizes or not the words can never be taken back.Forgiveness can be given but words are never forgotten. Thats why the saying silence is golden. As we age that is something we all learn.

MOST learn !!!!

Good post

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No matter if a person apologizes or not the words can never be taken back.Forgiveness can be given but words are never forgotten. Thats why the saying silence is golden. As we age that is something we all learn.

Does that mean you will no longing be posting but, instead, basking in your goldeness? :mad:

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I worked outside of the home sometimes and sometimes I was a stay at home mom. Trust me. It was much easier to go to a job outside the home.
After I retired I did a part time stint working in a day care. What an eye opener. Mothers would bring in their babies at eight weeks old. Many would cry and moan how they hated having to go to work. More often than not I would see them leave in a Lexus, BMW etc. I would look up their address and they would be living in a very up scale neighborhood. Nothing wrong with that, but don't cry about how you have to work. People tht I knew got off work at 3:30 wouldn't show up until right before closing time. Many people who stay home with their kids do it at a great sacrifice.

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Sarah Palin: Hilary Rosen Comments 'Awakened Many Mama Grizzlies' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/sarah-palin-hilary-rosen-_n_1423231.html)

Yes she kicked the sleeping bears, but it was just a stupid comment from some pundit who does not speak for anyone but Hilary Rosen.

Obama Responds To Hilary Rosen Comments: 'There's No Tougher Job Than Being A Mom' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/obama-hilary-rosen-being-a-mom_n_1422036.html)

Taltarzac: You may be correct. However I have worked for more than one President of a corporation whose modus operandi was to get employee A to pass information, essentially negative information to empoyee B so that if any back splash it would not fall back on them (president).

So while no one can say with any certainty that Obama is playing this game one has to be niave to believe it is coincidental especially when Obama and company are pushing the "War on Women" being committed by those Bad White Republican Guys. The stay at home Romney wife is really another strike at Romney suggesting that he has so little regard for women, including his wife that he makes her stay home and bake cookies, unlike say Hillary Clinton.

I try and ignore this nonsense because it clouds the true issues which of course is the rationale for such tactics. Sarah Palin slapped them back. Such a waste when we should be engaged in serious debate about solving America's problems

I opine you decide

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According to White House Logs Ms. Hilary Rosen has visited the White House 35 times. That sure is a lot of times for someone who is "not closely associated with Obama" and "not an Obama advisor by any means" as we've been hearing ever since Ms. Rosen made her uncalled for attack on Mrs. Romney.

This is just an example of an Obama advisor making the mistake of showing the true liberal face, and every other liberal trying to distance her from The One. Liberals hate to be exposed.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/295838/hillary-rosen-frequent-white-house-visitor

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Isn't Hilary Rosen a CNN reporter/talking head? Wouldn't it be normal for a news reporter to visit the White House? I believe the White House Press Corps meets at The White House and they probably have to use the visitor log.

Maybe just a bit of logic to this nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.

A CNN reporter takes a swipe at Ann Romney. Fox reporters have swiped many times at Michelle Obama.

If some of the uber conservatives say that Obama is against stay at home moms and used Ms. Rosen, I say (quoting Sherman Potter of MASH) "Meadow Muffins".

Rosen apologized. Case closed.

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Isn't Hilary Rosen a CNN reporter/talking head? Wouldn't it be normal for a news reporter to visit the White House? I believe the White House Press Corps meets at The White House and they probably have to use the visitor log.

Maybe just a bit of logic to this nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.

A CNN reporter takes a swipe at Ann Romney. Fox reporters have swiped many times at Michelle Obama.

If some of the uber conservatives say that Obama is against stay at home moms and used Ms. Rosen, I say (quoting Sherman Potter of MASH) "Meadow Muffins".

Rosen apologized. Case closed.

How come I didn't hear you say "Limbaugh apologized, case closed"?

I haven't heard any of you lefties say that.

(he didn't mean it and we know in our little liberal hearts that she did)

bah!!

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Could it be because Rush Limpbaugh is the titular head of the republican party with 20 million listeners according to him? Nobody, outside of CNN viewers, ever heard of Hilary Rosen until two days ago. Limpbaugh castigated Sharon Fluke for nine hours over three days calling her every name in the book. Hilary Rosen left out "outside the home", otherwise her statement was totally accurate.

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or at CSNBC or maybe MSNBC, both previous employers.

BUT actually would prefer to discuss what is happening with issues facing the country rather than this !! Any takers ??

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and you can support that accuracy because ......???????
Or just catty/snide commentary?
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I can support that accuracy about Ann Romney never working a day outside the home because I have been following the Romney's ever since Mitt ran to the left of Teddy Kennedy for the senate in 1994 when he was pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay marriage and pro-univeral health care with an individual mandate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Romney

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You folks can say what you want about Ann Romney...I would much prefer discussing real stuff, but gotta say....impressive resume and she can stack up quite well with any of those on here who want to demean her.

And they try to say this isnt class warfare !!!

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I can support that accuracy about Ann Romney never working a day outside the home because I have been following the Romney's ever since Mitt ran to the left of Teddy Kennedy for the senate in 1994 when he was pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay marriage and pro-univeral health care with an individual mandate.


Ann Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Romney)

So you're on board with casting stay at home moms as useless creatures who live off the larder provided by their husbands.

That's an outrage. I'll be expecting your apology to women immediately.

(She's nobody, she's a nobody; quit talking about Ms. Rosen like she's anybody who matters!!......ha ha ha; liberals crack me up)

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So you're on board with casting stay at home moms as useless creatures who live off the larder provided by their husbands.

That's an outrage. I'll be expecting your apology to women immediately.

(She's nobody, she's a nobody; quit talking about Ms. Rosen like she's anybody who matters!!......ha ha ha; liberals crack me up)

It is becoming a bit ...not sure of what word, but some folks are not happy unless they demean somebody else....must make them feel good....

MEANWHILE....what about real issues

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It is becoming a bit ...not sure of what word, but some folks are not happy unless they demean somebody else....must make them feel good....

MEANWHILE....what about real issues

You're right as always Bucco, but sometimes it's just too much fun to play with the foibles of the left.

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donjha just love the next day calibrations!! She meant to say "outside the home"!!!!! Y'all must think folks are asleep or that they accept what is doled out like the loyalists do. Uh-Uhhh we don't.

I want to see and hear how this is all going to play out as the mothers of our children who had a full time job raising children are demeaned by the dems war for or on or what ever women.

No matter how it is cut the stupidity of the remark and the defense being played cannot win the point that staying home to properly raise the children is the more noble track for a wholesome family. H I can't wait for the comment that will come eventually that goes something like the women with children have chosen to be part time mothers. Is that an igniter or what?

All it proves is the tremendous stupidity that a political ploy gone bad can come back and bite.

On the horizon? Many more stupid positions to come as the WH and re-election planners roll the dice on who takes the point on the next WAG (wild a$$ guess).

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I can support that accuracy about Ann Romney never working a day outside the home because I have been following the Romney's ever since Mitt ran to the left of Teddy Kennedy for the senate in 1994 when he was pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay marriage and pro-univeral health care with an individual mandate.


Ann Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Romney)

You are saying that Mitt Romney was pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-gay marriage, and pro universal health care. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Massachusetts,_19 94?

This does sound more like someone who is running for election in Massachusetts.

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TWO points to be made and made in this piece..

ONE....She works for CNN and has nothing to do with the White House...RIGHT

"There's also this telling and damning fact: Rosen, reports Jim Geraghty, has visited the White House 35 times.

That's "four times as often as CIA director/Afghanistan commander David Petraeus, three times as often as Defense Secretary/CIA director Leon Panetta, twice as often as Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki or Energy Secretary Steven Chu, and slightly less often than Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner." And five of Rosen's White House meetings, Geraghty notes, were with President Obama himself.

Given these facts, it's clear beyond a reasonable doubt that, despite their caterwauling, the Obama reelection campaign has been in bed, so to speak, with Rosen. She is their political surrogate and lackey. And, last night, they sent her out on a search-and-destroy mission to take out and discredit Ann Romney."

TWO...everything this White House does is for political purpose and nothing else....

"But what does it say about our commander-in-chief that he and his staff devote more of their time to consulting with a partisan hack such as Rosen than they do a veteran military commander such as Gen. Petraeus?

America may be at war overseas, but the Obama White House cares only about its own domestic political wars."

The American Spectator : The Spectacle Blog : Hilary Rosen Fails to Execute Obama's Mission (http://spectator.org/blog/2012/04/12/hilary-rosen-fails-to-execute)

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Hilary Rosen: Ann Romney and Working Moms (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hilary-rosen/ann-romney-women_b_1419480.html?flv=1)

"Now let's be clear on one thing. I have no judgements about women who work outside the home vs. women who work in the home raising a family. I admire women who can stay home and raise their kids full-time. I even envy them sometimes. It is a wonderful luxury to have the choice. But let's stipulate that it is NOT a choice that most women have in America today.

Why does this even matter? It matters purely because Mitt Romney put the issue of his wife's views squarely on the table." From above linked article.

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And here is Mitt Romney saying on Jan 4, 2012 that people on welfare must go to work no matter the age of their children. Explain the discrepancy, Mitt.


Up with Chris Hayes - Romney: Welfare parents 'need to go to work' (http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/15/11209115-romney-welfare-parents-need-to-go-to-work?lite)

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Rosen should apologize - to Mrs. Romney's 22 housekeepers, her nanny, her chauffeur, her social planner, her maid, and her cook.

Really, nobody appreciates how difficult it is to be a proxy mom.

With all those people working for her, I would call her job "Middle Management." That's as hard a job or harder than most "working" women.

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With all those people working for her, I would call her job "Middle Management." That's as hard a job or harder than most "working" women.

Maybe, but if you have watched Downton Abbey the management is usually done by one of these "servants". Not sure how this really works as I have never been in this position but would bet that most of the personnel mundane stuff-- which a middle manager in the business world would handle--is handled by someone akin to a butler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler

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I worked outside of the home sometimes and sometimes I was a stay at home mom. Trust me. It was much easier to go to a job outside the home.
After I retired I did a part time stint working in a day care. What an eye opener. Mothers would bring in their babies at eight weeks old. Many would cry and moan how they hated having to go to work. More often than not I would see them leave in a Lexus, BMW etc. I would look up their address and they would be living in a very up scale neighborhood. Nothing wrong with that, but don't cry about how you have to work. People tht I knew got off work at 3:30 wouldn't show up until right before closing time. Many people who stay home with their kids do it at a great sacrifice.
You are so right Sally Jo! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

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Mitt Romney says that stay at home moms "need to learn the dignity of work". Did that apply to his wife when she was a stay at home mom? It looks like Mitt stepped in it again.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/mitt-romney-flashback-stay-at-home-moms-need-to-learn-dignity-of-work/2012/04/15/

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I can't seem to come up with a link that mentions the number of people employed as domestic help in the Romney household.

Coralway, how about a link to your claim of Ann Romney having 27 employed domestics.
That seems to be the number you put forth.

How about it?

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Well, for starters, here's one that talks about the domestics hired for ONE of their homes:

Mitt Romney's Maids' Salary Raises Questions (http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=11235592#page:showThread,11235592)

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Well, for starters, here's one that talks about the domestics hired for ONE of their homes:

Mitt Romney's Maids' Salary Raises Questions (http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=11235592#page:showThread,11235592)

And of course that will make Romney a very bad President....what he needs is more radical advisors and a mentor that preaches black liberation, THEN we will have more confidence in Romney Those kind of things will never be questioned but success and your income are issues.

BUT there is no preaching of class warfare,.,....right..that is what this WH drums and drum.

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Who really cares about how many nannies that the Romney had or how many maids? They are rich people with large houses. I would expect them to have nannies and maids. Romney would be a fine president, I am sure, and the number of maids and nannies has nothing to do with that. Just good business sense, experience in government, and common sense, too.

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Who really cares about how many nannies that the Romney had or how many maids? They are rich people with large houses. I would expect them to have nannies and maids. Romney would be a fine president, I am sure, and the number of maids and nannies has nothing to do with that. Just good business sense, experience in government, and common sense, too.

Well, the fact is that on this forum, if you want to discuss the finances of the country or foreign policy...you know those pesky real issues, you get nothing.

HOWEVER, if you are going to demean someone personally, or discuss tripe like this, the thread is never ending. It gets very frustrating, for me anyway.

I suggest if we couldn't discuss Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, or any of the associations of our President....and we couldn't discuss his closed life (grades, etc) then lets close out this stuff and TALK ABOUT WHAT IS FACING OUR COUNTRY AND WHAT EACH CANDIDATE IS/CAN DO ABOUT IT FOR OUR COUNTRY. Lets stop making fun of PEOPLE and stick to how we feel about what is facing the country.

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Well, the fact is that on this forum, if you want to discuss the finances of the country or foreign policy...you know those pesky real issues, you get nothing.

HOWEVER, if you are going to demean someone personally, or discuss tripe like this, the thread is never ending. It gets very frustrating, for me anyway.

I suggest if we couldn't discuss Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, or any of the associations of our President....and we couldn't discuss his closed life (grades, etc) then lets close out this stuff and TALK ABOUT WHAT IS FACING OUR COUNTRY AND WHAT EACH CANDIDATE IS/CAN DO ABOUT IT FOR OUR COUNTRY. Lets stop making fun of PEOPLE and stick to how we feel about what is facing the country.



Bucco,

I honestly do not know what you are saying in this post - probably directed at me. Did you think I was making fun of Romney or demeaning him?

No, I stated it does not matter to me how many nannies or maids the Romneys employed. I do think he would be a good President based upon his business acumen and his government experience and his common sense.

I am on your side on this matter.

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Bucco,

I honestly do not know what you are saying in this post - probably directed at me. Did you think I was making fun of Romney or demeaning him?

No, I stated it does not matter to me how many nannies or maids the Romneys employed. I do think he would be a good President based upon his business acumen and his government experience and his common sense.

I am on your side on this matter.

Not specifically aimed at you. My aim was at those who come here to ONLY demean others who disagree with them, whether poster or candidate or supporter of candidate. Most of these folks NEVER EVER post to or discuss real issues but will jump on here when the thread is discussing a person that they can tear into.

And most of them cannot carry a candle alongside the folks they like to tear down. They do it ONLY AND TOTALLY because either their registration card carries a different designation or they disagree with their policy views and are unable to tell anyone WHY. I would welcome someone disagreeing, and even proving me wrong if they stuck to our problems instead of the character attacks.

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So, it seems from DJ's post that about 4 domestics are accounted for. Gee, that's a lot less than the number Coralway pulled out of his ....................

Just asked to illustrate and demonstrate the "class warfare" of the left which is evident here.

For a liberal, if you are able to afford help, you're suspect. If the government provides you help, you're righteous.

It's a strange world in the mind of a liberal.

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So, it seems from DJ's post that about 4 domestics are accounted for. Gee, that's a lot less than the number Coralway pulled out of his ....................

Just asked to illustrate and demonstrate the "class warfare" of the left which is evident here.

For a liberal, if you are able to afford help, you're suspect. If the government provides you help, you're righteous.

It's a strange world in the mind of a liberal.

RICHIE....love this quote

"For a liberal, if you are able to afford help, you're suspect. If the government provides you help, you're righteous."

coyright it !!!!

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All of this thread was suppposed to be about Caribou Barbie's comments regarding Hilary Rosen's mischosen words. Well, Caribou Barbie sure did a fine job on raising Bristol, didn't she?

I really loved the story recently when Levi Johnson told Bristol he and his current squeeze were expecting a baby. Bristol was supposed to have exploded and said that she was so angry that their baby would have 10 half-siblings by the time it got to kindergarten and would be teased by other kids. Well, that is the price to pay when choosing a daddy for your baby.

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using Richie's words:


"For a liberal, if you are able to afford help, you're suspect."

Then what is a liberal that can afford the help? A POTUS or Congressman perhaps?

btk

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How about a Villager?

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All of this thread was suppposed to be about Caribou Barbie's comments regarding Hilary Rosen's mischosen words. Well, Caribou Barbie sure did a fine job on raising Bristol, didn't she?

I really loved the story recently when Levi Johnson told Bristol he and his current squeeze were expecting a baby. Bristol was supposed to have exploded and said that she was so angry that their baby would have 10 half-siblings by the time it got to kindergarten and would be teased by other kids. Well, that is the price to pay when choosing a daddy for your baby.

Buggyone In all due respect then talk about Palin's comments regarding rosen's mischosen words don't berate her parenting skills. In fairness I have met some really fine parents whom have reared fine kids but save one. Some kids get it and some just ignore parental counseling, especially in this day and age of apogean peer pressure.....

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Rubicon,
Did you get a chance to try the golfing tip I proposed on your hooking the ball? Hope it helped. Let me know.

Yep, Sarah did a good job with the others except for Bristol. I would not put Sarah as a spokesperson for family values, though, when she could not instill that in all her kids - nor would I put Bristol up as a role model for teens to preach abstinence after she had a baby out of wedlock as a 16 year old.

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Rubicon,
Did you get a chance to try the golfing tip I proposed on your hooking the ball? Hope it helped. Let me know.

Yep, Sarah did a good job with the others except for Bristol. I would not put Sarah as a spokesperson for family values, though, when she could not instill that in all her kids - nor would I put Bristol up as a role model for teens to preach abstinence after she had a baby out of wedlock as a 16 year old.

I seem to have missed it can youPM me i need all the help I can get

Thanks

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Rubicon,
Did you get a chance to try the golfing tip I proposed on your hooking the ball? Hope it helped. Let me know.

Yep, Sarah did a good job with the others except for Bristol. I would not put Sarah as a spokesperson for family values, though, when she could not instill that in all her kids - nor would I put Bristol up as a role model for teens to preach abstinence after she had a baby out of wedlock as a 16 year old.

You're very presumptuous in commenting on someone else's kids. If you have any first hand knowledge in raising kids you would know that sometimes you can do everything right and still be defeated at times with your children.

The biggest obstacle, other than bad kids who were very influential in their lives, I had with raising my children was combating the liberal secularist agenda of the public schools they attended.

I blame the liberal school boards for some of my disappointments with my children.
Thank God they survived the experience and are on good paths in their adult lives.

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Public schools, Richie? I thought you would have had your children in Catholic school through high school so they would not be fodder for the liberal secular education forced upon our youths. I am sure you had that option for schooling the kids. But that is neither here nor there. Your kids turned out good as they had good role models for parents.

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Public schools, Richie? I thought you would have had your children in Catholic school through high school so they would not be fodder for the liberal secular education forced upon our youths. I am sure you had that option for schooling the kids. But that is neither here nor there. Your kids turned out good as they had good role models for parents.

I took my son out of public schools because their incompetence was detrimental to my son's development, but my daughter finished her public school education.

I was never a rich guy, and I was already forced to pay for her public school education.

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It's been my experience (myself and putting 2 daughters through school) that the most important part of making a public school education valuable is AN INVOLVED PARENT.

If a parent treats school like a babysitting service, it doesn't matter if it's private or public (except you can get thrown out of private schools).