This is becoming troubling

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The red-faced, over the top hatred for Obama is worrisome, and flat out disgusting in my opinion. In my lifetime there have been people who disliked Presidents; Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and W. Bush, all had their share of strong detractors, but the level of stridency and vitriol was nothing like it is in some quarters for Obama. I have a facebook friend who has posted some scary things, and who may just be unbalanced enough to actually do something stupid if given the opportunity. I have a cousin, who is otherwise a pretty sane guy, who called Obama a fxxxing nxxxxxr. I read posts on this forum that are somewhat more controlled, but indicate a deep level of hatred that seems to go waaaaaay beyond political or philosophical differences. This morning I stopped for breakfast and picked up a copy of the morning paper. On page two was a picture of Obama which had been scribbled out with a pen and the person had written "Got to get rid of him!" On the opinion page a cartoon of Obama appeared and apparently the same person had written under it "He needs to go to hell to save his soul". I mean seriously people, what ever happened to respect and dignity? I know George W. took a lot of ridicule, but it didn't ever rise to the level of pure hatred that this stuff gets to. I think there are numerous reasons for this, many of which have been used by the right wing media to play to peoples fears and emotions, but I think it is close to getting out of hand. I don't love Obama as a president, and in fact will probably vote for Romney, but not because I think he is evil or unqualified. I just hope he makes it through his presidency without some impressionable kook making an attempt on his life. The rhetoric on both sides needs to become less hostile.

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The red-faced, over the top hatred for Obama is worrisome, and flat out disgusting in my opinion. In my lifetime there have been people who disliked Presidents; Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and W. Bush, all had their share of strong detractors, but the level of stridency and vitriol was nothing like it is in some quarters for Obama. I have a facebook friend who has posted some scary things, and who may just be unbalanced enough to actually do something stupid if given the opportunity. I have a cousin, who is otherwise a pretty sane guy, who called Obama a fxxxing nxxxxxr. I read posts on this forum that are somewhat more controlled, but indicate a deep level of hatred that seems to go waaaaaay beyond political or philosophical differences. This morning I stopped for breakfast and picked up a copy of the morning paper. On page two was a picture of Obama which had been scribbled out with a pen and the person had written "Got to get rid of him!" On the opinion page a cartoon of Obama appeared and apparently the same person had written under it "He needs to go to hell to save his soul". I mean seriously people, what ever happened to respect and dignity? I know George W. took a lot of ridicule, but it didn't ever rise to the level of pure hatred that this stuff gets to. I think there are numerous reasons for this, many of which have been used by the right wing media to play to peoples fears and emotions, but I think it is close to getting out of hand. I don't love Obama as a president, and in fact will probably vote for Romney, but not because I think he is evil or unqualified. I just hope he makes it through his presidency without some impressionable kook making an attempt on his life. The rhetoric on both sides needs to become less hostile.
Hate to add to your woes here, but the presidents you mention in your post did not want to intentionally take down the United States as this president does. He has an agenda, make no mistake about it.
As for being "evil and unqualified" as you state---------he is both.

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Hate to add to your woes here, but the presidents you mention in your post did not want to intentionally take down the United States as this president does. He has an agenda, make no mistake about it.
As for being "evil and unqualified" as you state---------he is both.

You are not adding to my woes, but sadly to your own and the country's. Unfortunately too many people beleive as you do, that this president wants to "intentionally take down the country" and is "evil and unqualified" - all of which is dellusional.

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You are not adding to my woes, but sadly to your own and the country's. Unfortunately too many people beleive as you do, that this president wants to "intentionally take down the country" and is "evil and unqualified" - all of which is dellusional.
This country's woes will only have just begun if this guy is re-elected. Think things are bad now?? You ain't seen nothing yet (in my best english!!!) if he he does.

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I have to agree with Kathy and Al. Do I want any harm to come to him. Absolutely NOT!! Don't forget a book was written on how to kill George W. That seems pretty radical to me.

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Eweissenbach -

Unfortunately, too many Americans are still racists. They do not think a black man should be President of the USA. It is not about his politics but about his skin color.

They will deny that, of course, and say Pres. Obama is unqualified since he was only a Senator for a short time and was an activist community organizer helping poor people before that. They will rant about Pres. Obama's citizenship not being valid, not being Christian, having close friends who are socialists or communists and a former minister who said unpatriotic things.

No, it is plain racism. Even in a place as wonderful as The Villages, there is rampant racism. Just look at some of the posts on this forum and you can see the racism.

Fortunately, most Americans have evolved from the days of Jim Crow and now see that skin color does not make the person who he is.

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The red-faced, over the top hatred for Obama is worrisome, and flat out disgusting in my opinion. In my lifetime there have been people who disliked Presidents; Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and W. Bush, all had their share of strong detractors, but the level of stridency and vitriol was nothing like it is in some quarters for Obama. I have a facebook friend who has posted some scary things, and who may just be unbalanced enough to actually do something stupid if given the opportunity. I have a cousin, who is otherwise a pretty sane guy, who called Obama a fxxxing nxxxxxr. I read posts on this forum that are somewhat more controlled, but indicate a deep level of hatred that seems to go waaaaaay beyond political or philosophical differences. This morning I stopped for breakfast and picked up a copy of the morning paper. On page two was a picture of Obama which had been scribbled out with a pen and the person had written "Got to get rid of him!" On the opinion page a cartoon of Obama appeared and apparently the same person had written under it "He needs to go to hell to save his soul". I mean seriously people, what ever happened to respect and dignity? I know George W. took a lot of ridicule, but it didn't ever rise to the level of pure hatred that this stuff gets to. I think there are numerous reasons for this, many of which have been used by the right wing media to play to peoples fears and emotions, but I think it is close to getting out of hand. I don't love Obama as a president, and in fact will probably vote for Romney, but not because I think he is evil or unqualified. I just hope he makes it through his presidency without some impressionable kook making an attempt on his life. The rhetoric on both sides needs to become less hostile.

Agree that the haters need to not be so hateful in their rhetoric. If you want to go back to some very ugly speech against a President, look at the stuff aimed at Abraham Lincoln. Of course, this was during a Civil War.

Some of the speech I have seen thrown at Obama does border the hatred thrown at Lincoln. And according to this link some of the bile aimed at other political leaders before they were assassinated-- http://realdealtalk.com/2011/01/10/hate-speech-and-political-assassination/

I am still not sure whom I will vote for either just yet. I did vote for Bush in 2000 and 2004. Voted Obama in 2008 but that was primarily because of the fear of Sarah Palin becoming President if John McCain's health faltered.

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Hate to add to your woes here, but the presidents you mention in your post did not want to intentionally take down the United States as this president does. He has an agenda, make no mistake about it.
As for being "evil and unqualified" as you state---------he is both.

Care to back up the "evil" claim? I'm honestly curious as to what your definition of "evil" is.

For the record, I defended Bush against similar accusations when the lefties were going full bore against him in public forums. But I could find far more things to back up an 'evil' claim for Bush than I could for Obama.

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I know George W. took a lot of ridicule, but it didn't ever rise to the level of pure hatred that this stuff gets to.

I think this points out the problem. You don't see what was said about him, Pres. Bush, as bad but it was. You see your guy taking it and all of a sudden it is the worst it has ever been.
There are plenty of "nuts" to go around and I think you are just a bit blinded by you political beliefs.

There were plenty of people who called Pres. Bush and his whole family names and still do, but then they think he deserves it and Obama doesn't.

It is all bad no matter who is being targeted like those who called for Dick Chaney to die or be killed. I would think that is worse than being called a name, don't you?

There is hardly a politician I would invite to my house, even the one I vote for.

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for some of us it is simply a matter of having the wrong person in the job.
The job requires more leadership than Obama has capability.
Without leadership things do not happen. There are too many very high priority issues that have not even been close to being addressed after going on 4 years.

He is not measuring up to what he promised to bring to the table if elected.
As I have said many times before if he were in corporate America he would have not made it past year one.

Lack of performance is a malady that has nothing to do with race, religion or R or D.

He needs to be replaced if there is to be any meaningful progress. If he did not deliver on his promises when he needed the votes....just like he is promising once again.....just think what he won't get done when the electorate would not matter during a second term. Then there is the entire agenda he has....with no electorate to concern him he will become nothing more than an elected loose cannon of more significance than he is now.

He needs to be replaced.

btk

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I think this points out the problem. You don't see what was said about him, Pres. Bush, as bad but it was. You see your guy taking it and all of a sudden it is the worst it has ever been.
There are plenty of "nuts" to go around and I think you are just a bit blinded by you political beliefs.

I heard many of the things said about Bush and they never rose to level of pure hatred that I have heard about Obama. Ridicule - yes, disdain - yes, disrespect - yes, spit in your eye hatred - no! Obama is not "my guy", and yes it is worse than it has been in the recent past.

There were plenty of people who called Pres. Bush and his whole family names and still do, but then they think he deserves it and Obama doesn't.

See above^
It is all bad no matter who is being targeted like those who called for Dick Chaney to die or be killed. I would think that is worse than being called a name, don't you?

There is hardly a politician I would invite to my house, even the one I vote for.

My post was in favor of respect and decorum, and an end to the kind of rhetoric that could cause an unstable person to feel justified in taking action. - didn't realize that was a partisan approach - my bad.

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for some of us it is simply a matter of having the wrong person in the job.
The job requires more leadership than Obama has capability.
Without leadership things do not happen. There are too many very high priority issues that have not even been close to being addressed after going on 4 years.

He is not measuring up to what he promised to bring to the table if elected.
As I have said many times before if he were in corporate America he would have not made it past year one.

Lack of performance is a malady that has nothing to do with race, religion or R or D.

He needs to be replaced if there is to be any meaningful progress. If he did not deliver on his promises when he needed the votes....just like he is promising once again.....just think what he won't get done when the electorate would not matter during a second term. Then there is the entire agenda he has....with no electorate to concern him he will become nothing more than an elected loose cannon of more significance than he is now.

He needs to be replaced.

btk

All of that is rational and thoughtful, even to people who disagree. My problem is not with this kind of sentiment, but the incendiary and ugly rhetoric and feelings.

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President Obama assumed quite a challenge when he assumed office. We were engaged in Two Wars, the expenses of both continue and will continue to add signifigantly to our current deficit.

Citizens of the United states had been losing 700,000 jobs per month long before before he took the oath of office.
Fortunately this adverse trend has turned around and we are now seeing 123,000 Jobs per month created during the last 23 months.

The Auto industry was on the verge of collapse. If this happened, as some suggested it should, more than I million jobs were at risk, plus the pensions and retirement income of millions of Americans who had worked in this industry.

President Obama’s’ support for American workers is paying off for all Americans. In exchange for Taxpayer help, the President and his team demanded responsibility. Workers and automakers settled their differences by retooling and restructuring. Today General Motors is on top as the world’s number one automaker, Chrysler has grown faster in The US than any major car maker. Ford is investing billions in US plants and factories.

Our Financial system was on the verge of collapse, the DOW jones Stocks fell below 7,000, requiring shoring up and support by the Governemnt to prevent total collapse.
The majority of the money reffered to as TARP funds, money loaned to the banks has been paid back with interest. American Financial stability is being restored by not allowing Wall Street players and financial Institutions to play by their own rules. He and we cannot continue to support trillions in tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, or gutting things like education or clean energy.

President Obama supports Social Security and Medicare the financial backbone for many Americans.

Health Insurance companies should not be allowed to deny insurance or increase premiums without reason. The Afordable Care Aact supported by the American Medical Association and President Obama supports a mechanism for all responsible American Citizens to have quality affordable health Insurance.

The Conservative supreme court decided that Corporations are people. I will believe that when Texas executes one.

To some people , if this President had found a cure for Cancer he still would not be given the credit he deserves.

Hopefully President Obama will be Re Elected so we can continue to move forward

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My post was in favor of respect and decorum, and an end to the kind of rhetoric that could cause an unstable person to feel justified in taking action. - didn't realize that was a partisan approach - my bad.


It is not a partisan approach and I did here that tone of being in favor of.....

What I was drawn to is that somehow the hatred toward Bush was not at a dangerous level. That is what stood out as partisan to me.

That is all.

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President Obama assumed quite a challenge when he assumed office. We were engaged in Two Wars, the expenses of both continue and will continue to add signifigantly to our current deficit.

Citizens of the United states had been losing 700,000 jobs per month long before before he took the oath of office.
Fortunately this adverse trend has turned around and we are now seeing 123,000 Jobs per month created during the last 23 months.

The Auto industry was on the verge of collapse. If this happened, as some suggested it should, more than I million jobs were at risk, plus the pensions and retirement income of millions of Americans who had worked in this industry.

President Obama’s’ support for American workers is paying off for all Americans. In exchange for Taxpayer help, the President and his team demanded responsibility. Workers and automakers settled their differences by retooling and restructuring. Today General Motors is on top as the world’s number one automaker, Chrysler has grown faster in The US than any major car maker. Ford is investing billions in US plants and factories.

Our Financial system was on the verge of collapse, the DOW jones Stocks fell below 7,000, requiring shoring up and support by the Governemnt to prevent total collapse.
The majority of the money reffered to as TARP funds, money loaned to the banks has been paid back with interest. American Financial stability is being restored by not allowing Wall Street players and financial Institutions to play by their own rules. He and we cannot continue to support trillions in tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, or gutting things like education or clean energy.

President Obama supports Social Security and Medicare the financial backbone for many Americans.

Health Insurance companies should not be allowed to deny insurance or increase premiums without reason. The Afordable Care Aact supported by the American Medical Association and President Obama supports a mechanism for all responsible American Citizens to have quality affordable health Insurance.

The Conservative supreme court decided that Corporations are people. I will believe that when Texas executes one.

To some people , if this President had found a cure for Cancer he still would not be given the credit he deserves.

Hopefully President Obama will be Re Elected so we can continue to move forward

Nice spin! My hope is the opposite.

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President Obama assumed quite a challenge when he assumed office. We were engaged in Two Wars, the expenses of both continue and will continue to add signifigantly to our current deficit.

Citizens of the United states had been losing 700,000 jobs per month long before before he took the oath of office.
Fortunately this adverse trend has turned around and we are now seeing 123,000 Jobs per month created during the last 23 months.

The Auto industry was on the verge of collapse. If this happened, as some suggested it should, more than I million jobs were at risk, plus the pensions and retirement income of millions of Americans who had worked in this industry.

President Obama’s’ support for American workers is paying off for all Americans. In exchange for Taxpayer help, the President and his team demanded responsibility. Workers and automakers settled their differences by retooling and restructuring. Today General Motors is on top as the world’s number one automaker, Chrysler has grown faster in The US than any major car maker. Ford is investing billions in US plants and factories.

Our Financial system was on the verge of collapse, the DOW jones Stocks fell below 7,000, requiring shoring up and support by the Governemnt to prevent total collapse.
The majority of the money reffered to as TARP funds, money loaned to the banks has been paid back with interest. American Financial stability is being restored by not allowing Wall Street players and financial Institutions to play by their own rules. He and we cannot continue to support trillions in tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, or gutting things like education or clean energy.

President Obama supports Social Security and Medicare the financial backbone for many Americans.

Health Insurance companies should not be allowed to deny insurance or increase premiums without reason. The Afordable Care Aact supported by the American Medical Association and President Obama supports a mechanism for all responsible American Citizens to have quality affordable health Insurance.

The Conservative supreme court decided that Corporations are people. I will believe that when Texas executes one.

To some people , if this President had found a cure for Cancer he still would not be given the credit he deserves.

Hopefully President Obama will be Re Elected so we can continue to move forward




Very well stated .............

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Eweissenbach -

Unfortunately, too many Americans are still racists. They do not think a black man should be President of the USA. It is not about his politics but about his skin color.

They will deny that, of course, and say Pres. Obama is unqualified since he was only a Senator for a short time and was an activist community organizer helping poor people before that. They will rant about Pres. Obama's citizenship not being valid, not being Christian, having close friends who are socialists or communists and a former minister who said unpatriotic things.

No, it is plain racism. Even in a place as wonderful as The Villages, there is rampant racism. Just look at some of the posts on this forum and you can see the racism.

Fortunately, most Americans have evolved from the days of Jim Crow and now see that skin color does not make the person who he is.

Took a bit longer during the 2008 campaign to bring out the RACIAL crap and that is what it is. I am tired of being labeled a racist because I happen to think this man is TOTALLY wrong for our country and will be worse unfettered by having to face an election.

He, himself brings all of this on because he either plays RACE or CLASS at each an every opportunity.

In one day he mentioned his opponent because he favored the Arizona immigration law was in favor of profiling. How stupid and inflamatory can you get.

Then, he went on to mention that a loss by his team in the election would set back the middle CLASS.

In my opiinion first of all the nasty talk about our previous president FAR AND AWAY was worse than this.

This President brings it up constantly..no matter the subject, he will get in either race or class. And yet you all defend him and proclaim him almost saintly.

I, for one, am flat out sick and tired of being called a racist. First it is not true, and when the label and accusations come from people who REFUSE.....SIMPLY REFUSE to discuss actual issues that face the country and tell everyone why this man can lead us...THEY WILL NOT DO IT. They will call anybody who disagrees with this President a name....THEN HAVE THE GALL TO COME ON HERE AND CALL RACIST and to announce that everyone is picking on this man.

I have had with the race baiting and name calling...it is sickening and those who WILL NEVER TALK ABOUT IMPORTANT ISSUES are the ones calling me a racist.....cannot accept that. And while you dont mention my name it is certainly implied very strongly because you can surely count me in as someone who thinks this man HAS BEEN and WILL be dangerous for this country. This is not personal so do not come on and say I am calling names.....he has an agenda.....if you cant see it...good luck.

BUT DO NOT EVER AGAIN CALL ME OR ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THIS PRESIDENT A RACIST. It is a lot of things, and I am so angry reading the crap I dont even know what to say...the race thing comes out so easily it is scary.

NOTE...people who disagree strongly with this President are NOT RACIST because they do. While there is a race divide...REMEMBER HOW OBAMA SAID HE WOULD ADDRESS THAT ISSUE...and it gets worse but pulling that out is just flat our racist in itself. HE, the President, brings up race and class more than any opponent he has ever had.

This is a man who WASTED AN ENTIRE YEAR on Healthcare reform that was not even done the way he said he would do it, and what we got did not even address what he was to address...costs, tort reform, etc.

This is a man who IGNORED a blue ribbon panel and allowed it to disintegrate due to NO leadership and instead of trying for tax reform, he gives us this Buffet bill, which is laughable and 100% political and will do NOTHING for the country whatsoever.

This is a man who DEMEANED...ridiculed and made fun of.....the past President and his steps on anti terrorism, THEN changed NOTHING...in fact made the killing of american citizens abroad ok based on opinion.

This is a man who has lied to this country, not only in the situations above, but over and over again. That will tend to anger people, but IT DOES NOT MAKE THEM RACIST.

THIS is a man who actually appointed known radicals to his cabinet...

Ok...done although there is so much more...BUT YOU CANT FIND ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THE MAN TO DISCUSS ISSUES...only call names and them come on here and have the guts to call racist of those who do give reasons for not supporting the man, NONE BEING RACIAL OR PERSONAL.

I will probably delete this once I calm down, but for now, it and so much more applies in my book.

PS: Please see the thread "Penguins are Democrats" for the type of political discussion about our country that is enjoyed 99% of the time by those on here who support the President.

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My original post was not pro-Obama, in fact I stated that I would likely be voting for his opponent. I am unconcerned whether any of you are Obama backers, or opponents. What concerns me is the level of hateful rhetoric and expression that seems to be attached to people's feelings about Obama. I was in hopes that most, if not all, the intelligent and insightful posters on this forum would agree that it was uncalled for. I was probably wrong.

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Took a bit longer during the 2008 campaign to bring out the RACIAL crap and that is what it is. I am tired of being labeled a racist because I happen to think this man is TOTALLY wrong for our country and will be worse unfettered by having to face an election.

He, himself brings all of this on because he either plays RACE or CLASS at each an every opportunity.

In one day he mentioned his opponent because he favored the Arizona immigration law was in favor of profiling. How stupid and inflamatory can you get.

Then, he went on to mention that a loss by his team in the election would set back the middle CLASS.

In my opiinion first of all the nasty talk about our previous president FAR AND AWAY was worse than this.

This President brings it up constantly..no matter the subject, he will get in either race or class. And yet you all defend him and proclaim him almost saintly.

I, for one, am flat out sick and tired of being called a racist. First it is not true, and when the label and accusations come from people who REFUSE.....SIMPLY REFUSE to discuss actual issues that face the country and tell everyone why this man can lead us...THEY WILL NOT DO IT. They will call anybody who disagrees with this President a name....THEN HAVE THE GALL TO COME ON HERE AND CALL RACIST and to announce that everyone is picking on this man.

I have had with the race baiting and name calling...it is sickening and those who WILL NEVER TALK ABOUT IMPORTANT ISSUES are the ones calling me a racist.....cannot accept that. And while you dont mention my name it is certainly implied very strongly because you can surely count me in as someone who thinks this man HAS BEEN and WILL be dangerous for this country. This is not personal so do not come on and say I am calling names.....he has an agenda.....if you cant see it...good luck.

BUT DO NOT EVER AGAIN CALL ME OR ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THIS PRESIDENT A RACIST. It is a lot of things, and I am so angry reading the crap I dont even know what to say...the race thing comes out so easily it is scary.

NOTE...people who disagree strongly with this President are NOT RACIST because they do. While there is a race divide...REMEMBER HOW OBAMA SAID HE WOULD ADDRESS THAT ISSUE...and it gets worse but pulling that out is just flat our racist in itself. HE, the President, brings up race and class more than any opponent he has ever had.

This is a man who WASTED AN ENTIRE YEAR on Healthcare reform that was not even done the way he said he would do it, and what we got did not even address what he was to address...costs, tort reform, etc.

This is a man who IGNORED a blue ribbon panel and allowed it to disintegrate due to NO leadership and instead of trying for tax reform, he gives us this Buffet bill, which is laughable and 100% political and will do NOTHING for the country whatsoever.

This is a man who DEMEANED...ridiculed and made fun of.....the past President and his steps on anti terrorism, THEN changed NOTHING...in fact made the killing of american citizens abroad ok based on opinion.

This is a man who has lied to this country, not only in the situations above, but over and over again. That will tend to anger people, but IT DOES NOT MAKE THEM RACIST.

THIS is a man who actually appointed known radicals to his cabinet...

Ok...done although there is so much more...BUT YOU CANT FIND ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THE MAN TO DISCUSS ISSUES...only call names and them come on here and have the guts to call racist of those who do give reasons for not supporting the man, NONE BEING RACIAL OR PERSONAL.

I will probably delete this once I calm down, but for now, it and so much more applies in my book.

PS: Please see the thread "Penguins are Democrats" for the type of political discussion about our country that is enjoyed 99% of the time by those on here who support the President.
I'm not sure this could be said any better than you have stated. You mention a few of the debacles of this man and I dare say that it would take volumes to address the very many that are not mentioned. Not sure there is enough paper to print all the negatives. Thanks for your post.

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My original post was not pro-Obama, in fact I stated that I would likely be voting for his opponent. I am unconcerned whether any of you are Obama backers, or opponents. What concerns me is the level of hateful rhetoric and expression that seems to be attached to people's feelings about Obama. I was in hopes that most, if not all, the intelligent and insightful posters on this forum would agree that it was uncalled for. I was probably wrong.
Just for the record-I posted a reply to your OP and although I have a difference of opinion I believe that is what this forum is all about. The very next poster then procedes to bring "race" into the discussion out of the clear blue. He sort of personifies what you had just said in your OP. I don't believe I even closely intimated anything about race in my post. A real shame!!

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Care to back up the "evil" claim? I'm honestly curious as to what your definition of "evil" is.

For the record, I defended Bush against similar accusations when the lefties were going full bore against him in public forums. But I could find far more things to back up an 'evil' claim for Bush than I could for Obama.
Although I read your posts with great pleasure and might add that you are extremely knowledgeable and well written, I believe only time will demonstrate how "evil" this individual really is. God forbid he gets reelected, I will want you to respond to my "evil" contention when this country disintegrates into minus territory.

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My original post was not pro-Obama, in fact I stated that I would likely be voting for his opponent. I am unconcerned whether any of you are Obama backers, or opponents. What concerns me is the level of hateful rhetoric and expression that seems to be attached to people's feelings about Obama. I was in hopes that most, if not all, the intelligent and insightful posters on this forum would agree that it was uncalled for. I was probably wrong.

I will agree with you publicly that there is reason to be concerned.

I, will however, state unequivocally that your aim was way off. You aimed at ONLY one group of people and, at least intimated, that those of us who oppose his policies are the only problem, and I suggest to you that you are terribly incorrect.

It WAS political for that reason ! And very one sided, thus while I understand your sentiment, I totally and completely dismiss your very very bias presentation which just opens the doors for more of the same silly names, the same calling of racists.

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I posted a while back that racism was alive and well on TOTV. I can now safely add stupidity. :(

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Just for the record-I posted a reply to your OP and although I have a difference of opinion I believe that is what this forum is all about. The very next poster then procedes to bring "race" into the discussion out of the clear blue. He sort of personifies what you had just said in your OP. I don't believe I even closely intimated anything about race in my post. A real shame!!

Your reply contained the kind of rhetoric that I was referring to in my original post "evil and unqualified". Being politically incompatible with Obama is fine and appropriate, but calling him evil is inflammatory. Some people would feel justified in doing bodily harm to someone who is "evil". Unqualified? By what measure? Surely not by the "birther" nonsense - inexperienced? -- there is a case to be made there, but not unqualified. Many people who hate Obama are inclined to do so in part because of his race - perhaps not you, but many I have met would fit that description. Again, my contention is that inflammatory and ugly discourse is unhealthy, and it has nothing to do with the politics or the rightness or wrongness of the individual in question. Obama may be a bad president, and he may pursue bad policy, but to contend he is evil or has evil intent, or wants to destroy his/our country is simply ridiculous, and irrational.

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the rhetoric and hate directed at ANY President should be equivalent to
the number of votes that person is allowed election day.....Come on Villagers, we are living in paradise, be HAPPY!

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I will agree with you publicly that there is reason to be concerned.

I, will however, state unequivocally that your aim was way off. You aimed at ONLY one group of people and, at least intimated, that those of us who oppose his policies are the only problem, and I suggest to you that you are terribly incorrect.

It WAS political for that reason ! And very one sided, thus while I understand your sentiment, I totally and completely dismiss your very very bias presentation which just opens the doors for more of the same silly names, the same calling of racists.

Bucco, where have I inimated that those who oppose his policies are the only problem? I even said I would likely not vote for him, so I guess I would be included among those who oppose his policies. I was not aiming at ONLY one group of people, unless you are identifying the group that is dangerously inflammatory. There are plenty of republicans and right wing spokespeople who oppose this president but are able to deal with the issues and argue respectively. I remember when I was very young, President Eisenhower was giving a speech on TV, and I said something that could have been construed as derogatory, but was not addressing it at the President. My mother overheard me and admonished me for not showing the proper respect for the President. That left a deep impression on me as I knew she was a Roosevelt democrat and had not voted for the man, but she still insisted that I show the proper respect. That was a lessen learned more than 50 years ago that has stayed with me. I can tolerate Bush being called shrub and other such silliness, though I personally would not do that, what I am concerned with is the volatile level of hatred directed at this president that is not healthy for the country, and makes me fear for his safety.

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My post was in favor of respect and decorum, and an end to the kind of rhetoric that could cause an unstable person to feel justified in taking action. - didn't realize that was a partisan approach - my bad.

eweissenbach: I understood the message you were sending in your first post and of course you are spot on. However politcians must accept responsibility here because they are the people who invented negative campaigns. Just recall the vile attacks against Bush, Palin and bear in mind the haters in these two cases attacked their families as well.

Thomas Sowell, Economist, Author, Professor repeatedly warned people during the 2008 campaign to yes elect a black president but not Obama. Sowell is black and he knew the radical idealog that Obama is and the affect his candidacy and eventually his presidency would have on this country. They don't hate him because he is black they hate what he stands for because it is damaging this country both domestic and foreign.

Obama has played that race card from day one. to wit Professor Gates, Trayvon Martin, waiver of Black panther charges. Presently he has Holder utilizing disparate impact to continue to muscle businesses in every category to refrain from utilizing credit checks claiming it is a discrimnatory practice.
The end result if it continues is that the problems associated with subprime loans will carry over to other industries.

ObamaCare, wealth redistribution, taxing the rich quanatative easing, stimulus ,etc are losing strategies. We are going to pay dearly and it has many many people hopping mad.

Again I agree cooler heads prevail and so people ought to be focused on his misinformation and also his lack of transparcency.

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Bucco, where have I inimated that those who oppose his policies are the only problem? I even said I would likely not vote for him, so I guess I would be included among those who oppose his policies. I was not aiming at ONLY one group of people, unless you are identifying the group that is dangerously inflammatory. There are plenty of republicans and right wing spokespeople who oppose this president but are able to deal with the issues and argue respectively. I remember when I was very young, President Eisenhower was giving a speech on TV, and I said something that could have been construed as derogatory, but was not addressing it at the President. My mother overheard me and admonished me for not showing the proper respect for the President. That left a deep impression on me as I knew she was a Roosevelt democrat and had not voted for the man, but she still insisted that I show the proper respect. That was a lessen learned more than 50 years ago that has stayed with me. I can tolerate Bush being called shrub and other such silliness, though I personally would not do that, what I am concerned with is the volatile level of hatred directed at this president that is not healthy for the country, and makes me fear for his safety.


I think I have calmed down sufficiently to give you a response.

First of all, your OP only spoke of remarks aimed at Obama. NO mention of the comments from his campaign or his party at all.

Second, I presume since you posted on this forum, that your remarks would apply here also. If so, I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, heard anything as deragatory as you used as examples on here. I HAVE HEARD from those who support Obama, MOSTLY that kind of remark and never intelligent comments or an attempt to debate whatever the issue may be, and that coupled with the racist call just set me off.

I can only speak for myself...I am opposed to this man on almost every front. I say almost, because even I have found common ground and publicly said so. I have NEVER EVER called him a name...I have never ever even mentioned his family. HOWEVER on the other side it is a completely different view is all I offer.

I can discuss, debate any issue, but those who can ONLY and for some reason are restricted to name calling try my patience. You mentioned giving respect to the President...that is fine, but do you not think that all those who labor in the world of politics, whether you agree with them or not, deserve the SAME respect and civility ? If you do, then where have you been as people, their families and friends are chastized and called names on here with not one condemning word from anyone. I know I over talk about it, but nobody ever condemns it and the first call for respect and civility is from you on Obama and I just lost it. For that I apologize.

I try very hard to make my points on issues and not the person, would never think of applying the cute nicknames and slanderous names that are the crux of many folks TOTAL posts on here. Yet, never saw a call from anyone like you on being civil in those cases.

I am sorry for not being so agreeable, but the names called on here will continue....and nobody will call for civility!

I welcome anyone who wants to debate a point I make about the President to come on here and present their views.....not the one line zingers. I have changed my mind on this very forum as a result of someone giving me info to read that was not from one of the radical groups or making a point that sent me off investigating.

Example.....in 2008 when Obama first brought up and he and Secy Clinton were debating health care, I was opposed to it ALL, in its entirety. I listened to a few posters, read some links, listened to Obama and frankly had my hopes up that perhaps this was the way to go. I wont go into the details of how the man lied to us all, but that very bill cost us A YEAR of working on the economy (since even bolstered by Barney Frank) and what was promised was IGNORED AND NOT EVEN STRIVEN FOR.

That little adventure has taught me not to believe what he says, but it has also hardened me to folks on here who support him because they obviously support him in TOTAL COMPLETE BLINDNESS because they cannot even put a sentence together to support him. Only make fun of anyone who does not.

To me, that COMPLETE BLINDNESS is more scary than what you fear in the rhetoric because I believe the rhetoric is a result of the total and complete blind loyalty

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buggyone, I'm so sick of anyone who doesn't agree with President Obama being called a racist. He has set race relations back 50 years. Yes, he was just a community orgaizer. Friends and family are/were socialists and communists. Rev. Wright did say unpatriotic things. Just stating the obvious.

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What is wrong with being a community organizer? It helps people! Friends were socialists and communists? I doubt it if there were any communists. Minister said unpatriotic things? Wright does not fit my bill as a minister. I do not think that the unpatriotic things Wright said reflect on Obama at all.

No, Sally Jo, everyone who disagrees with Pres. Obama is a racist at all. However, there are plenty who hate him only for that reason and cannot qualify it beyond statements like " I believe only time will demonstrate how "evil" this individual really is. God forbid he gets reelected".

Disagree with Pres. Obama on domestic issues, foreign policy, economic issues, or social issues and that is fine. Leave hate out of the equation. Leave race out of the equation.

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while there is so much criticism of some of what is said about Obama and the disrespect, et al.

Help me understand what rationale some of the very same folks who plead for some respect of the man who happens to be POTUS.......just what would you categorize all the Bush bashing and retrospective negative commentary about Bush. I thought he was POTUS as well! Entitled to the same respect.
Please enlighten me what the difference could possibly be.

I usually never get an equitable answer to simple questions like this.

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I'm not going to address the point of this thread because I think it's slightly bogus and self serving.

No President in my lifetime was the recipient of more unadulterated hate than former President George W. Bush.

So, I refuse to address the despair of the left over criticism of "The One".

It's only being ginned up is some deluded view that it might help his re-election.

Good luck with that.

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Eweissenbach -

Unfortunately, too many Americans are still racists. They do not think a black man should be President of the USA. It is not about his politics but about his skin color.

They will deny that, of course, and say Pres. Obama is unqualified since he was only a Senator for a short time and was an activist community organizer helping poor people before that. They will rant about Pres. Obama's citizenship not being valid, not being Christian, having close friends who are socialists or communists and a former minister who said unpatriotic things.

No, it is plain racism. Even in a place as wonderful as The Villages, there is rampant racism. Just look at some of the posts on this forum and you can see the racism.

Fortunately, most Americans have evolved from the days of Jim Crow and now see that skin color does not make the person who he is.

RACISM:cus: ?

Stick a sock in it. Do you see anything that this man is other than black?

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RACISM:cus: ?

Stick a sock in it. Do you see anything that this man is other than black?

I see that "this man" is YOUR PRESIDENT and was elected by a majority of American voters.

You may not like his policies but do not attack the person for the color of his skin.

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I see that "this man" is YOUR PRESIDENT and was elected by a majority of American voters.

You may not like his policies but do not attack the person for the color of his skin.

The only one commenting on his skin color is YOU.

Like the man said. "Stick a sock in it".

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What is wrong with being a community organizer? It helps people! Friends were socialists and communists? I doubt it if there were any communists. Minister said unpatriotic things? Wright does not fit my bill as a minister. I do not think that the unpatriotic things Wright said reflect on Obama at all.

No, Sally Jo, everyone who disagrees with Pres. Obama is a racist at all. However, there are plenty who hate him only for that reason and cannot qualify it beyond statements like " I believe only time will demonstrate how "evil" this individual really is. God forbid he gets reelected".

Disagree with Pres. Obama on domestic issues, foreign policy, economic issues, or social issues and that is fine. Leave hate out of the equation. Leave race out of the equation.

I keep searching but cant find other than folks responding to YOU any reference to race. You seem to be the birth of that discussion and the only one keeping it alive.

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while there is so much criticism of some of what is said about Obama and the disrespect, et al.

Help me understand what rationale some of the very same folks who plead for some respect of the man who happens to be POTUS.......just what would you categorize all the Bush bashing and retrospective negative commentary about Bush. I thought he was POTUS as well! Entitled to the same respect.
Please enlighten me what the difference could possibly be.

I usually never get an equitable answer to simple questions like this.

btk

Usually never is a bit confusing, but I will try to give you an answer and you can decide if it's equitable. I heard the Bush bashing and I disagreed with the tone and the substance. I was not on this forum at that time so had no response that you would have seen. The bush bashing was mean spirited and disrespectful. However, I would argue, the Obama bashing is several steps further up the ladder to vicious and inciteful. Bush was characterized as unintelligent and inarticulate and taking us to war without due cause. Obama has been vilified as being evil, UnAmerican, a communist, and, as I said in the OP, a fxxxxxg nxxxxr. Can you not see a different level of vilification here? As I said, I find it scary that some unstable person, will try to do what in his/her mind is a favor to the world by destroying this anti-Christ. I never had that feeling about Ws safety because the rhetoric, in my eyes, was not inciting violence, but rather more on the lines of ridicule. Ridicule is not an appropriate way to express ones disagreement but it does not rise to the level of hateful and vengeful.

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I'm not going to address the point of this thread because I think it's slightly bogus and self serving.

No President in my lifetime was the recipient of more unadulterated hate than former President George W. Bush.

So, I refuse to address the despair of the left over criticism of "The One".

It's only being ginned up is some deluded view that it might help his re-election.

Good luck with that.

Another self righteous non-response. It's what I have come to expect.

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Ed, In your original post you said that your cousin called Obama a fxxxxxg nxxxxr. I would agree that your cousin is a racist judging from that statement. How does that lead you to conclude that racism is a major part of the reason for opposition to Obama's policies? I know it is not in my case and I do not believe that I have met a person in The Villages that opposes him because of his race. I oppose him and will do everything I can do to help elect Mitt Romney, not because of race but because I believe that given another term, Obama's policies will destroy this country.

In any case, Obama has been treated with kid gloves compared with the treatment given to George Bush and more recently Sarah Palin by the liberals in this country and on this board. The latest example is a cheap shot by Buggyone referring to Sarah Palin's parenting skills and her daughter Bristol.

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Another self righteous non-response. It's what I have come to expect.

So true. So unfortunate. It's bad enough there is such deep, unbridled hatred directed toward political leaders, but just as bad, or worse, that a few people here show such distain and disrespect for their neighbors who write thoughtful posts like yours.

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Ed, In your original post you said that your cousin called Obama a fxxxxxg nxxxxr. I would agree that your cousin is a racist judging from that statement. How does that lead you to conclude that racism is a major part of the reason for opposition to Obama's policies? I know it is not in my case and I do not believe that I have met a person in The Villages that opposes him because of his race. I oppose him and will do everything I can do to help elect Mitt Romney, not because of race but because I believe that given another term, Obama's policies will destroy this country.

In any case, Obama has been treated with kid gloves compared with the treatment given to George Bush and more recently Sarah Palin by the liberals in this country and on this board. The latest example is a cheap shot by Buggyone referring to Sarah Palin's parenting skills and her daughter Bristol.

Yes my cousin is a racist, but he is not the only one I have encountered. I have seen the most racist, inflammatory, and ugly emails aimed at Obama, and I am not on the email list of some of the groups I would suspect would be the most outrageously racist. I did not say that racism was a major part of the reason for opposition to Obama's policies. I was not the one that brought up racism as THE major reason for peoples opposition to Obama, although I think it is a prime reason for SOME of the hatred pointed at him personally. Opposition to Obama's policies is legitimate and I would agree with much of it, but that is not what I was trying to point at as the problem at all. I was naive to beleive that there would be little disagreement that the tone of the discourse BY SOME has become troubling. I have once again, been educated.

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Another self righteous non-response. It's what I have come to expect.

What you've come to expect is that anybody would take your own self-righteous garbage, like this thread, as serious.

You're wrong about that; with me anyway.

You say you are not the one who brought up racism???; This is your flippin' thread!! You bring up the supposed racism, using your anonymous racist friends (find new friends, why don't ya) and then allude to the false fact that this has something to do with members of the forum.

I'm not biting. This is all on you. You sit in your own stew here.

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Although I read your posts with great pleasure and might add that you are extremely knowledgeable and well written, I believe only time will demonstrate how "evil" this individual really is. God forbid he gets reelected, I will want you to respond to my "evil" contention when this country disintegrates into minus territory.

I made reference a while back to a couple of specials that were on HBO a few years back. They were hosted by comedian Robert Wuhl, taking place in a classroom at (I believe) Columbia University and they were called "Assume The Position".

Basically the program was a humorous look at some myths in American History.

One part was talking about how then-President Bush was reviled and so many people were wailing about how this was going to be "The End of the Republic". Wuhl said, "We'll get through this" - and he backed it up with a lot *facts* about how America has been in worse situations before - not the least of which being the Civil War. He showed examples of all the doomsayers of the past and said (paraphrasing) "So, the next time you think THIS guy (point to picture of Bush) is going to be the end of everything - just say to yourself - We'll Get Through This".

I didn't vote for Obama because I was in favor of him. I voted for him because he was the lesser of two bads (I won't call them 'evils').

If the GOP ever decides to stop pandering to it way-right base, I'll probably come back. But, until then, I hold on to the idea that We'll Get Through This.

Almost every indicator you can think of is better than it was or is heading in the right direction compared to what Obama inherited. Yeah, I think he could have done a FAR better job but, considering the alternative, it could have been a LOT worse.

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With postings like:

"Moreover, the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department has turned the same blind eye to similar voter intimidation and the corruption of the voting process by other people and other organizations in other cities and states — so long as those being victimized were white and the victimizers were black.

Even in counties where the number of votes cast exceeds the number of people legally entitled to vote, Eric Holder’s Justice Department sees no evil, hears no evil, and speaks no evil — if the end result is the election of black Democrats. It has become the mirror image of the old Jim Crow South."
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Need I say more?

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Secret Service looking into Ted Nugent violent anti-Obama message | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/secret-looking-ted-nugent-violent-anti-obama-message-225142639.html)

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With postings like:

"Moreover, the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department has turned the same blind eye to similar voter intimidation and the corruption of the voting process by other people and other organizations in other cities and states — so long as those being victimized were white and the victimizers were black.

Even in counties where the number of votes cast exceeds the number of people legally entitled to vote, Eric Holder’s Justice Department sees no evil, hears no evil, and speaks no evil — if the end result is the election of black Democrats. It has become the mirror image of the old Jim Crow South."
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Need I say more?

This quote was in response to the thread "Who are the racists" begun by CMANN. It is from an article titled "Reverse Racism" by Thomas Sowell.

What on earth does it have to do with this thread? It is not bashing Mr. Obama...it is not troubling...it is the opinion of Thomas Sowell.

I didn't plan on commenting on this thread...so go find your own quotes to quote...geeze.

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Right on cue - ted nugent Secret Service looking into Ted Nugent violent anti-Obama message | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/secret-looking-ted-nugent-violent-anti-obama-message-225142639.html)

He said some "colorful" things, but I see no racism in what he said. So I don't know how this ties into your false premise here.

Anyway, here's Ted explaining himself to the troubled masses.

Ted Nugent Responds to Debbie Wasserman Schultz Over His Obama Comments | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sub-human-punk-ted-nugent-fires-back-at-liberals-and-debbie-wasserman-schultz/)

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With postings like:

"Moreover, the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department has turned the same blind eye to similar voter intimidation and the corruption of the voting process by other people and other organizations in other cities and states — so long as those being victimized were white and the victimizers were black.

Even in counties where the number of votes cast exceeds the number of people legally entitled to vote, Eric Holder’s Justice Department sees no evil, hears no evil, and speaks no evil — if the end result is the election of black Democrats. It has become the mirror image of the old Jim Crow South."
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Need I say more?

This quote was in response to the thread "Who are the racists" begun by CMANN. It is from an article titled "Reverse Racism" by Thomas Sowell.

What on earth does it have to do with this thread? It is not bashing Mr. Obama...it is not troubling...it is the opinion of Thomas Sowell.

I didn't plan on commenting on this thread...so go find your own quotes to quote...geeze.

So, let me get this straight. My good friend Buggy pulled quotes from one of the most renowned black conservative authors in the news, and used that author's quotes to back up his view of racist thought in this forum?

This is the greatest thing you've done so far Buggy. If only you could have gotten away with it. Good catch there, Ceejay.

I've got to buy you a drink in honor of this one.

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Ted Nugent is a lunatic and Mitt groveled for his support. Where is the Repulican outrage at Nugent's rant? Or event mild rebuke? :cus:

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Ted Nugent is a lunatic and Mitt groveled for his support. Where is the Repulican outrage at Nugent's rant? Or event mild rebuke? :cus:

It is probably in the same halll as the comments from Bill M during the campaign in 2008 calling Palin AND members of her famil....c$%^& !!!! Because I recall nobody criticizing him at all.

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It is probably in the same halll as the comments from Bill M during the campaign in 2008 calling Palin AND members of her famil....c$%^& !!!! Because I recall nobody criticizing him at all.

What do Bill Maher and his ridiculous comments have to do with Ted Nugent. PLENTY of people, including me, have criticized and even quit paying attention to Maher. Maher uses inappropriate and disrespectful language, but as far as I know has never threatened bodily harm, encouraged people to do violence, or stated that if anyone was elected or reelected he would shortly thereafter be dead or in jail. What do you take out of that from the self proclaimed "master of the metaphor"? Why would maher's poor taste be reason to excuse the violent, incendiary language of nugent?

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What do Bill Maher and his ridiculous comments have to do with Ted Nugent. PLENTY of people, including me, have criticized and even quit paying attention to Maher. Maher uses inappropriate and disrespectful language, but as far as I know has never threatened bodily harm, encouraged people to do violence, or stated that if anyone was elected or reelected he would shortly thereafter be dead or in jail. What do you take out of that from the self proclaimed "master of the metaphor"? Why would maher's poor taste be reason to excuse the violent, incendiary language of nugent?

You have a real tendency to tell everyone what posters think. I never once excused anything....and would be very very curious how you arrived at that conclusion ????

PLEASE RESPOND to how you came to that conclusion. Folks like you are getting very adept at throwing the accusations with absolutely no validity and it is more troubling that stuff like that.

Please stop putting words in my mouth that were never there. If I wanted to excuse it, I would.

My response could be labeled the same tactic as those who bring up Palin or Bush in response to most criticisms of this administration which is also getting old.

Also, as with most when you folks made accusations, I do not expect you to ever respond or even revisit the subject. You folks just jump in, make an accusation of someone and move on.

Glad you made that thread yesterday by the way...I have always been shy about entering into these kind of conversations, but lets have a go at it...

YOU made an accusation...BACK IT UP !!!

ps....your quote...."Why would maher's poor taste be reason to excuse the violent, incendiary language of nugent?"...who said that ? Why are you aiming that at me since I mentioned Maher BUT never did what you accuse me of. I would really like a response since you brought up yesterday the kind of talk but make these accusations yourself.

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You have a real tendency to tell everyone what posters think. I never once excused anything....and would be very very curious how you arrived at that conclusion ????

PLEASE RESPOND to how you came to that conclusion. Folks like you are getting very adept at throwing the accusations with absolutely no validity and it is more troubling that stuff like that.

Please stop putting words in my mouth that were never there. If I wanted to excuse it, I would.

My response could be labeled the same tactic as those who bring up Palin or Bush in response to most criticisms of this administration which is also getting old.

Also, as with most when you folks made accusations, I do not expect you to ever respond or even revisit the subject. You folks just jump in, make an accusation of someone and move on.

Glad you made that thread yesterday by the way...I have always been shy about entering into these kind of conversations, but lets have a go at it...

YOU made an accusation...BACK IT UP !!!

ps....your quote...."Why would maher's poor taste be reason to excuse the violent, incendiary language of nugent?"...who said that ? Why are you aiming that at me since I mentioned Maher BUT never did what you accuse me of. I would really like a response since you brought up yesterday the kind of talk but make these accusations yourself.

I have no idea how, nor any inclination to, respond to this rambling diatribe. Sorry.

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I have no idea how, nor any inclination to, respond to this rambling diatribe. Sorry.

Ok..let me make it simple...

This is what YOU said

""Why would maher's poor taste be reason to excuse the violent, incendiary language of nugent?""

It was in response to my post thus the accusation of excusing the language is inherent.

PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION...as you said, these accusations should not be allowed to go on...so explain to me how you came to the conclusion that I "excused" anything.

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So, let me get this straight. My good friend Buggy pulled quotes from one of the most renowned black conservative authors in the news, and used that author's quotes to back up his view of racist thought in this forum?

This is the greatest thing you've done so far Buggy. If only you could have gotten away with it. Good catch there, Ceejay.

I've got to buy you a drink in honor of this one.

It does not matter who made the statement. A black person can still make a racist statement against blacks and it will still be racist. Sowell did that. Disagree if you wish - but I will accept that drink - if the pour is more generous than the one you got last week.

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What do Bill Maher and his ridiculous comments have to do with Ted Nugent. PLENTY of people, including me, have criticized and even quit paying attention to Maher. Maher uses inappropriate and disrespectful language, but as far as I know has never threatened bodily harm, encouraged people to do violence, or stated that if anyone was elected or reelected he would shortly thereafter be dead or in jail. What do you take out of that from the self proclaimed "master of the metaphor"? Why would maher's poor taste be reason to excuse the violent, incendiary language of nugent?

By the way, you might want to read what Robin Leach has to say !!!

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Yes, Ted Nugent is a lunatic and who really gives a rat's bunny about what an old rocker says about politics? Who really gives a rat's bunny about what an ex-pat Brit entertainment columnist says about politics? (By the way, you should see Robin Leach's vacation home on Antigua!)

Neither of these people will influence American politics but Nugent did go overboard with his implied threats to Pres. Obama.

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Yes, Ted Nugent is a lunatic and who really gives a rat's bunny about what an old rocker says about politics? Who really gives a rat's bunny about what an ex-pat Brit entertainment columnist says about politics? (By the way, you should see Robin Leach's vacation home on Antigua!)

Neither of these people will influence American politics but Nugent did go overboard with his implied threats to Pres. Obama.

Well the people in the audience at the NRA convention apparently gave a rat's bunny about what he said. And there just might be one of them that becomes convinced by him that the only way to save this country is to use his gun to eliminate this menace. It only takes one.

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Well the people in the audience at the NRA convention apparently gave a rat's bunny about what he said. And there just might be one of them that becomes convinced by him that the only way to save this country is to use his gun to eliminate this menace. It only takes one.

Lets all get rabid and raise up the fear, shall we ??

Still waiting for an explanation as to why you made an accusation of me which, as you said is dangerous !

PS....Actually, I could have posted or copied and pasted some of the quotes from you folks to my complaints about some of the remarks made about Palin on here...but of course it appears that on your side, THOSE remarks are justified !!!! AND I might add, I have said that nobody should be accussing and making personal remarks about anyone...lets talk issues

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I don't think any poster on this forum made threats to the life of Sarah Palin or her family. Nugent made what sure sounded like threats to Obama. I don't think my favorite comedian, Bill Maher, has made threats to the life of Sarah Palin or her family.

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I don't think any poster on this forum made threats to the life of Sarah Palin or her family. Nugent made what sure sounded like threats to Obama. I don't think my favorite comedian, Bill Maher, has made threats to the life of Sarah Palin or her family.

When the opportunity presents itself, I will spend the time searching for those comments made about how she deserves this or that because she is such a terrible woman and such a lousy parent.

In the meantime, please keep this in context. I have always abhored you folks and your name calling so I never in anyway defended these quotes....lets keep that clear,

A thread was begun wherein it mentioned that the accusations that are thrown around are bad...I agree...it happens on here a lot...no links, no proof just simple charges of no substance.

A poster said that I excused these remarks, which was a TOTALLY MADE UP STATEMENT....and I want to have that poster stand by their remarks....show me where.

If busness as usual, you guys just make charges and then disappear and never return. I am going to make sure as much as possible that the false accusation stop, at least by trying to embarass those who make them.

I never said anything that you allude to in this post and you KNOW IT.

I said that ".Actually, I could have posted or copied and pasted some of the quotes from you folks to my complaints about some of the remarks made about Palin on here." to defend the outrage and as you know everytime I have criticized you, it is ok to do whatever......you are well aware that I did not ever condone these kind of comments and you know it well...your remarks validate what your stated position is...you can say anything you want about folks in the news and call them anyname you want to....THAT, to you is not inflammatory


PS...in the meantime I am trying to get someone from you side to comment on the healthcare bill with no luck...Hoping to discuss an issue....lets do that and then go on to others

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Well the people in the audience at the NRA convention apparently gave a rat's bunny about what he said. And there just might be one of them that becomes convinced by him that the only way to save this country is to use his gun to eliminate this menace. It only takes one.

That is a very real fear. I'm fairly certain Nugent is just nuts and wouldn't take action, but there are those who are even more nuts and might. :sad:

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That is a very real fear. I'm fairly certain Nugent is just nuts and wouldn't take action, but there are those who are even more nuts and might. :sad:

I had that fear for a number of years, but in the meantime lets discuss those issues that should decide this election...health care, economy, budget deficits, etc.

Not making light of your fear but is was EXTREMELY DRAMATIC when Bush was in (I assume that was not as important) but would love to see the candidates and this forum address actual issues

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What do Bill Maher and his ridiculous comments have to do with Ted Nugent. PLENTY of people, including me, have criticized and even quit paying attention to Maher. Maher uses inappropriate and disrespectful language, but as far as I know has never threatened bodily harm, encouraged people to do violence, or stated that if anyone was elected or reelected he would shortly thereafter be dead or in jail. What do you take out of that from the self proclaimed "master of the metaphor"? Why would maher's poor taste be reason to excuse the violent, incendiary language of nugent?

I don't think any poster on this forum made threats to the life of Sarah Palin or her family. Nugent made what sure sounded like threats to Obama. I don't think my favorite comedian, Bill Maher, has made threats to the life of Sarah Palin or her family.

That is a very real fear. I'm fairly certain Nugent is just nuts and wouldn't take action, but there are those who are even more nuts and might. :sad:


I like to lay a wager on this, but I'll settle for an answer (I'm not holding my breath)

Where did Nugent threaten bodily harm? In fact, where did he threaten anyone?

(imagine the Jeopardy theme song here)

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It does not matter who made the statement. A black person can still make a racist statement against blacks and it will still be racist. Sowell did that. Disagree if you wish - but I will accept that drink - if the pour is more generous than the one you got last week.

Of course in matters in the context of the allegation and your response.

You responded to the query of where is the racism from posters to this forum.

You clipped comments from a quote of an author and not a member of this forum, AND you did not credit the original author.

This is blatantly deceitful, Buggy.

C'mon, you know I'm right.

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I like to lay a wager on this, but I'll settle for an answer (I'm not holding my breath)

Where did Nugent threaten bodily harm? In fact, where did he threaten anyone?

(imagine the Jeopardy theme song here)

I believe this is what he said...

""If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

I recall Cindy Sheehan being bused around the country by the Democratic party callin the President some very crude things.....suppose that was her right,

This link will supply you with pictures of a few signs that were ignored totally by officials in the past...one said..

Media Didn't Care About Protest Signs Threatening Bush | NewsBusters.org (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/20/media-didnt-care-about-protest-signs-threatening-bush)

"Kill terroists bomb there house....KILL BUSH...bomb his f@#$%^& house"


Another...

"Bush is the disease...death is the cure"

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He then went on to say something about chopping off heads. Rhetoric goes too far on both sides. I would like to see violent phrasing eliminated from political campaigns. Phrases like "targeting, in the cross hairs, if they bring a knife, we bring a gun" are useless for everyone - no matter whose side you are on.

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I believe this is what he said...

""If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

Not a threat to anyone.

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He then went on to say something about chopping off heads. Rhetoric goes too far on both sides. I would like to see violent phrasing eliminated from political campaigns. Phrases like "targeting, in the cross hairs, if they bring a knife, we bring a gun" are useless for everyone - no matter whose side you are on.

Nobody was the least bit concerned a number of years ago. It was fine..nobody cared but now we should get all up in our shorts.

And that is certainly not an endorsement of it...but just stating a simple, indisputable fact !!!!!!!

By the way, he said something bout Republicans should chop off Democrats heads...and he did not mean it literally and everyone knows that. I have to begin to compile all this stuff, but, and not sure...seems that Pelosi herself has says similiar things...could be wrong and certainly will check....but none of that kind of language seems to bother anyone

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He then went on to say something about chopping off heads. Rhetoric goes too far on both sides. I would like to see violent phrasing eliminated from political campaigns. Phrases like "targeting, in the cross hairs, if they bring a knife, we bring a gun" are useless for everyone - no matter whose side you are on.

OK, you're a bit closer here on this one. Even though he names no names, he insists he's speaking metaphorically, as in our current leaders must be defeated.

Still no worse than I've heard from lefties for the past 10 years or so.

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Not sure where to post this information but I think it is somewhat pertinent to the opinion that I foster very strongly.

That is that this President will do anything for votes and be totally shameless about his constant pandering.

On Politico today is a report that the Obama campaign has put a rush out for black workers......a move that is even found skeptical by black groups...

"The race to stock up on black talent is a welcome development among Washington’s African-American power elite — and one that critics say is three years late in coming. The cynical take, offered up by black Democratic sources outside Obama’s camp: The president and his aides have focused their attention on hiring more African-Americans because they are worried about black turnout on Election Day"

Obama camp tries to diversify - Jonathan Allen and Joseph Williams - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75323.html)

I totally think that is the case....it is not that he is afraid that black voters will all run to Romney....his fear his that will not vote.

An interesting stat from 2008...."Exit polls show that roughly 1 million African Americans voted in the presidential election in North Carolina in 2008. Obama’s margin of victory: 14,000 votes."

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An interesting stat from 2008...."Exit polls show that roughly 1 million African Americans voted in the presidential election in North Carolina in 2008. Obama’s margin of victory: 14,000 votes."


So what is your point with this post.
a. Too many African Americans voted
b. African Americans should not vote
c. African American votes should not be counted
d. More white North Carolinians should have voted
e. The victory was bogus because too many African Americans voted
d. Other - please explain

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What an absurd posting. What's your point? That Obama overwhelmingly won the black vote? He was the first black in the history of this nation to win a major Party's Presidential nomination. Duuuhhhhh ........

Let's see if you find this interesting ...... from 2008 ...

Obama won men (by 1 point)
Obama won women
Obama LOST among whites (gee, what a surprise, hu?)
Obama won asians
Obama won among 18-29 year olds
Obama won HS grads.
Obama won among those with some college
Obama won among college grads.
Obama won among 1st time voters
Obama won Protestants
Obama won Catholics
Obama won the Jews
Obama LOST among those who say they go to church once a week
Obama won in big cities
Obama won small cities
Obama won the suburbs
Obama LOST in small towns
Obama lost rural areas.

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So what is your point with this post.
a. Too many African Americans voted
b. African Americans should not vote
c. African American votes should not be counted
d. More white North Carolinians should have voted
e. The victory was bogus because too many African Americans voted
d. Other - please explain

You really spend your time looking for trouble...in the post I typed this in which I thought to any reasonable person would show the intent of the post...

"That is that this President will do anything for votes and be totally shameless about his constant pandering."

I will try to be clearer for you because it sure seems like you are trying hard to begin a war of some kind.

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What an absurd posting. What's your point? That Obama overwhelmingly won the black vote? He was the first black in the history of this nation to win a major Party's Presidential nomination. Duuuhhhhh ........

Let's see if you find this interesting ...... from 2008 ...

Obama won men (by 1 point)
Obama won women
Obama LOST among whites (gee, what a surprise, hu?)
Obama won asians
Obama won among 18-29 year olds
Obama won HS grads.
Obama won among those with some college
Obama won among college grads.
Obama won among 1st time voters
Obama won Protestants
Obama won Catholics
Obama won the Jews
Obama LOST among those who say they go to church once a week
Obama won in big cities
Obama won small cities
Obama won the suburbs
Obama LOST in small towns
Obama lost rural areas.

You also are looking for trouble where it is not and need to work hard your reading and comprehension skills.

Dont overcomplicate things so much

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You really spend your time looking for trouble...in the post I typed this in which I thought to any reasonable person would show the intent of the post...

"That is that this President will do anything for votes and be totally shameless about his constant pandering."

I will try to be clearer for you because it sure seems like you are trying hard to begin a war of some kind.

Okay, and the point about 1 million African Americans voting in North Carolina where he won by 14,000 votes makes your point how?

a. He shouldn't appeal to African American voters
b. It is shameless pandering that motivated 1 million African Americans to vote in N.C.
c. His shamless pandering is more effective with African-American voters than with white voters
d. Romney is above shameless pandering for votes
e. other - please explain.

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Okay, and the point about 1 million African Americans voting in North Carolina where he won by 14,000 votes makes your point how?

a. He shouldn't appeal to African American voters
b. It is shameless pandering that motivated 1 million African Americans to vote in N.C.
c. His shamless pandering is more effective with African-American voters than with white voters
d. Romney is above shameless pandering for votes
e. other - please explain.

You really and truly, despite your thread yesterday are simply and purely TRYING to begin trouble...

THIS directly quote from the post that has you so very very upset...

"it is not that he is afraid that black voters will all run to Romney....his fear his that will not vote."

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You really and truly, despite your thread yesterday are simply and purely TRYING to begin trouble...

THIS directly quote from the post that has you so very very upset...

"it is not that he is afraid that black voters will all run to Romney....his fear his that will not vote."

I'm not upset, just looking for clarity. My thread yesterday was about vicious, mean-spirited, and dangerous rhetoric aimed at ANY politician, candidate or other citizen -- don't think I have directed any of the above at you, and if I have, I apologize. I am trying to understand why you chose to quote the statistic about the African-Americans voting in North Carolina. I can't see any connection between that statistic and the point you allegedly were trying to make. This new quote does nothing to clarify the point and is in fact unintelligible.

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I'm not upset, just looking for clarity. My thread yesterday was about vicious, mean-spirited, and dangerous rhetoric aimed at ANY politician, candidate or other citizen -- don't think I have directed any of the above at you, and if I have, I apologize. I am trying to understand why you chose to quote the statistic about the African-Americans voting in North Carolina. I can't see any connection between that statistic and the point you allegedly were trying to make. This new quote does nothing to clarify the point and is in fact unintelligible.

SAYING that the hiring is not a fear of them going to Romney but a fear that they wont vote is not clear to you ?????? and SUPPLYING stats to validate why it is important

I read your posts on this thread yesterday and really hope you understand how very very very political and bias it was as if NO hate posts ever were made on this forum...I try very hard to be issue driven. Am i opposed to the current administraton....YEP...been so and said so since 2008 on here. Have I complimented him...YEP also and said so on here.

The speech you alluded to, in my opinion, on this forum is a one way street....every female Republican has been called some pretty bad things on here..EVERY ONE OF THEM.....and the cute nicknames that apparently do not bother you at all. You do not seem, from where I am sitting, to care or address the snide crude and non civil posts that are predominatly from the left. Every time I have tried to address them straight on, never saw you defend me...never saw you at all and they told me it was ok to do. I have never spoke of anyone like that.

Now, I understand the harshness and the violent talk...I agree with you but you act as if the previous president was not subject to so much more violent talk than is going on from anyone now YET you fail to mention it. Your OP was strictly and totally a left wing attack and that is how I took it.

I welcome you to visit the archives on here and NO MATTER what you use as paramaters you will find the vast huge majority of one line insults come from one side and one side only and I can say that with NO fear of contradiction.

I will say that as a result of your op and thread I intend to call folks on their lies,name calling, etc to whatever extent is possible. I was ignoring but not any longer...at minimum I can embarass them if that is possible

Sorry for the rant but after posting on this board for all these years and reading and being subject to such hate rants to read what you wrote was just so frustrating...but that is my problem that you sure dont care about.

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This back and forth has me a bit upset..let me give it to you very simply...

The voting stats are important because of ...

the post mentioned that there was no fear of the black voters running to Romney but simply not voting.

Do you not think a statistic telling YOU how important voter turnout was in a sample state clarified that ?

unintelligible. ?


I will surely strive to get myself up to your standards Thanks for tolerating me

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SAYING that the hiring is not a fear of them going to Romney but a fear that they wont vote is not clear to you ?????? and SUPPLYING stats to validate why it is important

I read your posts on this thread yesterday and really hope you understand how very very very political and bias it was as if NO hate posts ever were made on this forum...I try very hard to be issue driven. Am i opposed to the current administraton....YEP...been so and said so since 2008 on here. Have I complimented him...YEP also and said so on here. It was, and is, my position that Obama has been subject to more strident hatred than any previous president. I thought I made it clear I also thought the rhetoric toward W has inappropriate, however I never saw the level of hatred, leveled at him that I have at Obama. If you have, fine, I have not. I am an independent voter and had no bias in mind making my posts, other than that the rhetoric was becoming dangerous IN MY OPINION.

The speech you alluded to, in my opinion, on this forum is a one way street....every female Republican has been called some pretty bad things on here..EVERY ONE OF THEM.....and the cute nicknames that apparently do not bother you at all. You do not seem, from where I am sitting, to care or address the snide crude and non civil posts that are predominatly from the left. Every time I have tried to address them straight on, never saw you defend me...never saw you at all and they told me it was ok to do. I have never spoke of anyone like that. The cute nicknames are silly, but harmless. I never have indulged in that, but I have never seen the need to comment pro or con. Crude and non-civil does not necessarily rise to the level of incediary and dangerous, and I have not seen any posts on here from either side that I would characterize in that vein.

Now, I understand the harshness and the violent talk...I agree with you but you act as if the previous president was not subject to so much more violent talk than is going on from anyone now YET you fail to mention it. Your OP was strictly and totally a left wing attack and that is how I took it. I said it was wrong aimed at anyone and included a vilification of Bill Maher in my posts. I don't know what you expect me to do, but I have been as non-partisan in this issue as possible.

I welcome you to visit the archives on here and NO MATTER what you use as paramaters you will find the vast huge majority of one line insults come from one side and one side only and I can say that with NO fear of contradiction. The one line insults and silly names are generally from about two or three people, all of whom would probably self-identify as liberals. I have seen plenty of insulting and demeaning posts from the other end of the spectrum, but not as many silly names, though a few.

I will say that as a result of your op and thread I intend to call folks on their lies,name calling, etc to whatever extent is possible. I was ignoring but not any longer...at minimum I can embarass them if that is possible Glad I could bring you out of your shell.

Sorry for the rant but after posting on this board for all these years and reading and being subject to such hate rants to read what you wrote was just so frustrating...but that is my problem that you sure dont care about. What I care about is being understood, which I do not think you have. Good luck!

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This back and forth has me a bit upset..let me give it to you very simply...

The voting stats are important because of ...

the post mentioned that there was no fear of the black voters running to Romney but simply not voting.

Do you not think a statistic telling YOU how important voter turnout was in a sample state clarified that ?

unintelligible. ?


I will surely strive to get myself up to your standards Thanks for tolerating me

Here is the last part of the quote i was referencing: ....his fear his that will not vote." yep, it is still unintelligible.

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Have you looked at the signs I posted that were aimed at Bush ? There are literally hundreds more and NOBODY CARED.

Have you researched the comments from folks like Cindy Sheehan who was traveled around the country by the Democratic party ?

Have you read the blogs...one entitled...KILLBUSH ?

Well, didnt need you to bring me out of my shell....but after KNOWING, POSTING facts on the past President....after KNOWING how I am on here about that kind of rhetoric.....after KNOWING that most of the liberal posters on here dont really post.they enjoy making fun of people and ridiculing and FOR THE MOST part NEVER engage in any political discussion unless they are able to ridicule somebody...well after that, then you post what you posted...that ired me and will stay with me that you are not even that aware of what has an is going on. It is startling how misinformed on this issue that you are.

I saw your posts on the healthcare bill....and that is posting great. DO you know how long I have been begging for posts on that bill an received nothing but insults ? Not just me but others as well...nothing but insults and it has been tried to have people discuss.

No, you did not bring me out as you say....It just made me aware of how little people on here realize and I am going to try to make everyone aware from here on in.

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Here is the last part of the quote i was referencing: ....his fear his that will not vote." yep, it is still unintelligible.

You are really insulting REALLY.

You know that a typing mistake was made...and it should read THEY will not vote.

You are a very insulting person !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Have you looked at the signs I posted that were aimed at Bush ? There are literally hundreds more and NOBODY CARED.

Have you researched the comments from folks like Cindy Sheehan who was traveled around the country by the Democratic party ?

Have you read the blogs...one entitled...KILLBUSH ?

Well, didnt need you to bring me out of my shell....but after KNOWING, POSTING facts on the past President....after KNOWING how I am on here about that kind of rhetoric.....after KNOWING that most of the liberal posters on here dont really post.they enjoy making fun of people and ridiculing and FOR THE MOST part NEVER engage in any political discussion unless they are able to ridicule somebody...well after that, then you post what you posted...that ired me and will stay with me that you are not even that aware of what has an is going on. It is startling how misinformed on this issue that you are.

I saw your posts on the healthcare bill....and that is posting great. DO you know how long I have been begging for posts on that bill an received nothing but insults ? Not just me but others as well...nothing but insults and it has been tried to have people discuss.

No, you did not bring me out as you say....It just made me aware of how little people on here realize and I am going to try to make everyone aware from here on in.

Cindy Sheehan is an activist though who was against the Iraq war because her son had been killed. Cindy Sheehan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Sheehan) It looks like she is also against Obama's foreign policy. She has been arrested quite a few times for her activism.

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For God's sake please bring back George W Bush or Cheney or McCain or Palin or Gingrich or anybody but Obama.......whew, the banks have stopped collapsing and the auto industries are again solvent, foreclosures are not what they were and people are again working, we're only fighting in one war, and someone even told me the other day that Osama bin Laden is dead........somebody please come and get Obama before we return to the Good Old Days......

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He's a Muslim and that says it all. He's an embarrassment to our country and I'll be ecstatic when he is gone.

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He's a Muslim and that says it all. He's an embarrassment to our country and I'll be ecstatic when he is gone.
Wow Mr. Shimpy, I'll bet you can paint a whole house in a matter of minutes with that BROAD BRUSH you use.

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He's a Muslim and that says it all. He's an embarrassment to our country and I'll be ecstatic when he is gone.

Yeah, that's a great response. Kind of tells it all, doesn't it?

Amazing, Shrimpy, that a majority of American voters put Pres. Obama (your President) in office and the chances are he will be re-elected.

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Daniel Jenky, Peoria Catholic Bishop: President Obama Following 'A Similar Path' As Hitler, Stalin (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/19/daniel-jenky-peoria-catho_n_1438393.html)

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For God's sake please bring back George W Bush or Cheney or McCain or Palin or Gingrich or anybody but Obama.......whew, the banks have stopped collapsing and the auto industries are again solvent, foreclosures are not what they were and people are again working, we're only fighting in one war, and someone even told me the other day that Osama bin Laden is dead........somebody please come and get Obama before we return to the Good Old Days......

Fear not. Mitt Romney has reassembled the George W Bush neocons as his foreign relations advisors. If you liked the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you're going to love the wars in Iran and Syria. Two words - John Bolton.

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You said it well Coach. Too much hate going on.

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Fear not. Mitt Romney has reassembled the George W Bush neocons as his foreign relations advisors. If you liked the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you're going to love the wars in Iran and Syria. Two words - John Bolton.

John Bolton is a voice I fear. Hope if Romney does get elected, he will have nothing to do with this man.

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That Catholic bishop should be publically defrocked for his comments about President Obama. They border on treason. The church has no place for charlatons like bishop Daniel Jenkey or his ilk.

It sounds to me like the Catholics are trying to start their own "holy war" and take our country into new Inquisition period like they did with the Spanish Inquisition.

And they have the gall to denounce Rev. Wright when they have treasonous talk like Daniel Jenkey. Pure hate from a church. Despicable is the only word I have for them. I am glad I am not a Catholic because I would be ashamed to have a bishop from my church speak that way.

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He's a Muslim and that says it all. He's an embarrassment to our country and I'll be ecstatic when he is gone.

Please, please, please tell me you are being sarcastic Les. If not you have reached new heights of ignorance.

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For God's sake please bring back George W Bush or Cheney or McCain or Palin or Gingrich or anybody but Obama.......whew, the banks have stopped collapsing and the auto industries are again solvent, foreclosures are not what they were and people are again working, we're only fighting in one war, and someone even told me the other day that Osama bin Laden is dead........somebody please come and get Obama before we return to the Good Old Days......

Your sarcasm aside, you surely have oversimplified everything but I suppose that would make it to your advantage.

Banks have stopped collapsing but recall the VOW that Obama made that he would not allow or I think it was elimanate the danger of "too big to fail".....well guess what....the five biggies had assets that amounted to 43% of US output....NOW..the are at 56% thus it is worse now than ever, but he poured a lot of money out to someone. And you are right to lay this at his feet.

AUTO industry...Bush was pushing reorganization but as a lame duck gave in and gave them TARP money...Obama gave more and had the company give more concessions to the union and guess what THROUGH reorganization the companies came out of it. I give more credit to those who ran the company through the reorginization and we, the taxpayers own 30% of an auto company and the union is set.

Foreclosures are down...now in this case I suppose you are patting Obama on the back for that..OR are you saying the entire thing was the fault of the Bush administration ? Two different arguements....hope you actually know what caused the problem.

Point is, the knee jerk reaction of being sarcastic and blaming Bush does not wash....here we have another lie from Obama about the banks..put that alongside the many lies on healthcare and the lack of a budget because they are hiding the hidden taxes in the healthcare....well, you are obviously comfortable with all that. I am not.

This is not a defense of Bush (not something I have ever done)....but you can adore at Obamas feet and if it makes you feel better blame everything on Bush as you did with such outstanding sarcasm, but you need to some day face the actual FACTS which do not reflect what you try to present..not at all. Just keep ignoring the facts and the misrepresentations and it will not end good.

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You think that letting the auto industry fail would be a good idea and the free market system would have made the auto industry strong?

How many thousands upon thousands of auto workers would have been out of work? The money trickles upon thousands of thousands more people in housing and other industries.

The TARP money was a good idea.

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Ahhh, the fetid stench of desperation from the left. It's bubbling over here.

When you guys get this upset over nothing from nobodies it makes me broadly smile.

Thank you all.

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A Catholic calls a Catholic Bishop and Archbishop nobodies? Sounds close to blasphlemy if you ask me but I am not Catholic. With church leaders like those, I am glad I am not, either.

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A Catholic calls a Catholic Bishop and Archbishop nobodies? Sounds close to blasphlemy if you ask me but I am not Catholic. With church leaders like those, I am glad I am not, either.

He's just a guy. Being a priest makes him a brilliant man now?

He might be, but does it matter to you......really?

He's just one more thing from out of nowhere to try to hold onto, to make you and our failing President seem more put upon, and victimized..........as if that will help you.

Keep it up...........it makes me very gleeful................he can't escape adding 5 Trillion in debt in less than 4 years..................sniff...............what an aroma........

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Not because of race. Because of incompetance.

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He's just a guy. Being a priest makes him a brilliant man now?

He might be, but does it matter to you......really?

He's just one more thing from out of nowhere to try to hold onto, to make you and our failing President seem more put upon, and victimized..........as if that will help you.

Keep it up...........it makes me very gleeful................he can't escape adding 5 Trillion in debt in less than 4 years..................sniff...............what an aroma........

Except that if you look at the research Mitt Romney's tax plan actually increases the Federal Debt more than Obama's while helping out the very rich get richer. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/mitt-romneys-tax-plan-is-still-a-mathematical-failure/255952/#

http://taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/upload/Romney-Tax-Plan_March-1-2.pdf

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/02/romney-tax-plan-soaring-debt-huge-breaks-for-rich/

"In other words, an additional $3 trillion in debt on top of current budget projections, a small tax increase for the poorest of Americans and a huge tax break for those, like Romney, already doing very well. That ought to make Mitt even more popular among his buddies in NASCAR team ownership, but those sitting in the grandstands should be less than happy. That is, if they’re paying attention". From above linked Jay Bookman blog.

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A Catholic calls a Catholic Bishop and Archbishop nobodies? Sounds close to blasphlemy if you ask me but I am not Catholic. With church leaders like those, I am glad I am not, either.

Did you not know that richie is the sole arbiter of who is somebody and who is nobody!

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You think that letting the auto industry fail would be a good idea and the free market system would have made the auto industry strong?

How many thousands upon thousands of auto workers would have been out of work? The money trickles upon thousands of thousands more people in housing and other industries.

The TARP money was a good idea.

First, the automobile industry was not going to fail. This would have been in in-one's interest. The bondholders , the rightful owners of GM and Chrysler, would have restructured in bankruptcy court and the companies would have been back stronger than ever. Taxpayer money would not have been involved any more than it would have been in any other bankruptcy. US government involvement was largely to look after the unions and rob the bondholders.

TARP was indeed a very good idea and was started and largely completed under the Bush administration.

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Did you not know that richie is the sole arbiter of who is somebody and who is nobody!

Richielion, would you please for eweissenbach, start a thread and indicate for us who is SOMEONE and who is NOBODY inquiring minds would really like to know. :a040::a040::a040::a040::coolsmiley:

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Did you not know that richie is the sole arbiter of who is somebody and who is nobody!

This kind of talk might, just might, add to the "vitrol" you always speak of and certainly THIS is how it grows to the level you object to.

Pretty personal remark

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This kind of talk might, just might, add to the "vitrol" you always speak of and certainly THIS is how it grows to the level you object to.

Pretty personal remark

Nice try, although I do not know what "vitrol" is. If you mean vitriol, I don't think the statement quite rises to that level. Simply using a sarcastic (not vitriolic) remark to point out the abovementioned poster's pompous, know-it-all gradiosity.

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Nice try, although I do not know what "vitrol" is. If you mean vitriol, I don't think the statement quite rises to that level. Simply using a sarcastic (not vitriolic) remark to point out the abovementioned poster's pompous, know-it-all gradiosity.

I really appreciate you always calling me out on my typing or spelling...guess it makes you feel confident and special..

HOW about talking with me about ISSUES for once instead of criticizing everyone else ?? Would be great

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I really appreciate you always calling me out on my typing or spelling...guess it makes you feel confident and special..

HOW about talking with me about ISSUES for once instead of criticizing everyone else ?? Would be great

This is a forum to primarily share opinions. I don't come here to be educated, I actually have learned how to surf the web and find information on about anything I want to learn more about. Virtually no one who logs onto this forum wants anything other than confirmation of their own opinions, ideals, and prejudices, and is not interested in any dissenting information. Anyone who by posting here thinks they are making a modicum of difference is dellusional. This is entertainment, pure and simple, no more, no less. My opinion is, almost anyone who is a member of TOTV, and has an independent, open mind, does not sign up for this forum because they don't want to read the kind of silliness that is usually present, including mine.

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This is a forum to primarily share opinions. I don't come here to be educated, I actually have learned how to surf the web and find information on about anything I want to learn more about. Virtually no one who logs onto this forum wants anything other than confirmation of their own opinions, ideals, and prejudices, and is not interested in any dissenting information. Anyone who by posting here thinks they are making a modicum of difference is dellusional. This is entertainment, pure and simple, no more, no less. My opinion is, almost anyone who is a member of TOTV, and has an independent, open mind, does not sign up for this forum because they don't want to read the kind of silliness that is usually present, including mine.

IF YOU say it then it must be so !!!!

And allow me, on behalf of all those folks that you feel are dependent and closed minded, thank you for the clarification.

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I started this thread after seeing some disturbing things written by an anonymous person on a newspaper I was reading in a resturaunt. It bothered me and I thought it would bother most any reasonable person - I was wrong. Then another poster claimed it was all racially motivated, which I never said in my op or any subsequent post, but I got accused of making it racial. Then several said something like my guy was treated as bad as your guy, even though I thought I made it clear that Obama wasn't my guy, and I did think that Bush was treated poorly, though not to the same level. Then a poster takes umbrage with what I said and starts attacking me personally and I retaliate, and the thread begins to totally deteriorate and come apart at the seams. Anyone reading the last half of this thread would have little or no idea what the thread was begun about. And some of you wonder why there is little substantive discussion on this forum?

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Not because of race. Because of incompetance.

This is a reason that Jim and Marge do not think President Obama should be re-elected. Even though I do not agree with them, I find it refreshing that they actually have a reason as compared to many other posters who are just the "haters".

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IF YOU say it then it must be so !!!!

And allow me, on behalf of all those folks that you feel are dependent and closed minded, thank you for the clarification.

You are welcome.

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Did you not know that richie is the sole arbiter of who is somebody and who is nobody!

I am the sole arbiter of my opinion and you are the sole purveyor of meaningless posts.

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The Catholic church is archaic, homophobic and largely irrelevent except to those who languish in their Catholic guilt. Really, admonishing nuns for showing empathy to the poor and less fortunate?? Comparing Obama to Hitler?? :cus:

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I really appreciate you always calling me out on my typing or spelling...guess it makes you feel confident and special..

HOW about talking with me about ISSUES for once instead of criticizing everyone else ?? Would be great

The lower-case "e" is just one of the lefties on this forum who accuse others of all they are themselves guilty of.

I, among others including yourself, are criticized as "know-it-alls" by someone who is not adverse in reveling in his own "brilliance??"

It's pretty funny. The left have no "mirrors".

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The Catholic church is archaic, homophobic and largely irrelevent except to those who languish in their Catholic guilt. Really, admonishing nuns for showing empathy to the poor and less fortunate?? Comparing Obama to Hitler?? :cus:

This post is a good example of the hate in your heart. You've just insulted a huge number of your fellow Americans.

You've just insulted and marginalized a goodly number of your fellow left wingers, also.

This is why your side will lose.

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This is a reason that Jim and Marge do not think President Obama should be re-elected. Even though I do not agree with them, I find it refreshing that they actually have a reason as compared to many other posters who are just the "haters".

Mirror, better check the mirror.

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I am the sole arbiter of my opinion and you are the sole purveyor of meaningless posts.

The lower-case "e" is just one of the lefties on this forum who accuse others of all they are themselves guilty of.

I, among others including yourself, are criticized as "know-it-alls" by someone who is not adverse in reveling in his own "brilliance??"

It's pretty funny. The left have no "mirrors".

For those of you who are not initiated, these are examples of meaningful posts according to the ultimate arbiter. :1rotfl:

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For those of you who are not initiated, these are examples of meaningful posts according to the ultimate arbiter. :1rotfl:

Mirror, check the mirror.

It may be your transparency that's the problem.

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For those of you who are not initiated, these are examples of meaningful posts according to the ultimate arbiter. :1rotfl:

I have a question...do you ever read any other posts except for those you begin ?

I mean, very little of your intelligence is allowed to creep into discussion on health care, the economy of the country or foreign affairs.

And you mentioned earlier that you don't learn anything here....well, ok..then are you here just to ridicule and demean those of us who do in fact learn quite a bit here from those who share what they read and feel ?

Serious question..just seems that have not seen you share much in the way of actual things to discuss...you seem to have just joined forces with those who come here to demean and ridicule, and lecture everyone else on how wonderful you are...how bad a typist or speller another might be. BUT then again, you said this was just for play. The elite would never be here.

You say that the only ones who come on to political are those that want to play which is another of your insulting ridicules of anyone who is not you.

PLEASE join in a discussion rather than slamming everyone else....I am here to learn and since you just about know where everything is, as you mentioned, perhaps I can learn from you. Now that last sentence will give you something that I say to agree with.

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I started this thread after seeing some disturbing things written by an anonymous person on a newspaper I was reading in a resturaunt. It bothered me and I thought it would bother most any reasonable person - I was wrong. Then another poster claimed it was all racially motivated, which I never said in my op or any subsequent post, but I got accused of making it racial. Then several said something like my guy was treated as bad as your guy, even though I thought I made it clear that Obama wasn't my guy, and I did think that Bush was treated poorly, though not to the same level. Then a poster takes umbrage with what I said and starts attacking me personally and I retaliate, and the thread begins to totally deteriorate and come apart at the seams. Anyone reading the last half of this thread would have little or no idea what the thread was begun about. And some of you wonder why there is little substantive discussion on this forum?

The racial mention which began a snowball effect came from a poster who was supporting your hypothesis, nobody else. Everything about race was a reaction to that.

AND you said that you do not recall or words to that affect of ANYONE being treated as badly as Obama or talked about so wrongly and viciously. Well, for those of us who have read the terrible vile things said about Bush..the kill threats, etc, it was necessary to step up and remind you that Obama has been coddled in comparison.

The thread did then did go down hill because from MY point of view, I do not like to be called a racist, or even have it implied. I have had my fill of that, INCLUDING PMs to that affect, simply because I do not trust or care for the policies of the incumbent. That right to criticize seems to always be rejected with a class or race debate and I frankly am tired of it from the WH, on here, and everywhere else it permeates.

This is post #6...addressed to you....."

"Eweissenbach -

Unfortunately, too many Americans are still racists. They do not think a black man should be President of the USA. It is not about his politics but about his skin color."

And I do not recall, correct if you will, any response or denial of this post or any kind of rejection

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Mirror, check the mirror.

It may be your transparency that's the problem.

richie is the embodiment, on this little forum, of a much larger problem for the republicans in the upcoming elections. The democrats are very vulnerable and the republicans are in a wonderful position to sweep the elections. However, the far right wing of the republican party has shouted down anyone who may be interested in reasonable debate or compromise, and thus insulted and alienated many independent minded people who might otherwise lean to the right in the upcoming elections. They would rather have the last word, show their superiority, and try to win every argument than win the hearts and minds of people who might be persuaded. The far right seems either to not be interested, or aware, that they have to have a majority of independent leaning voters to elect their partisans, and achieve their agenda. People like me or richie don't have any real influence, but in the broader picture the cumulative noise is off-turning to many resonable and thoughtful people.

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The thread did then did go down hill because from MY point of view, I do not like to be called a racist, or even have it implied. I have had my fill of that, INCLUDING PMs to that affect, simply because I do not trust or care for the policies of the incumbent. That right to criticize seems to always be rejected with a class or race debate and I frankly am tired of it from the WH, on here, and everywhere else it permeates.

This is post #6...addressed to you....."

"Eweissenbach -

Unfortunately, too many Americans are still racists. They do not think a black man should be President of the USA. It is not about his politics but about his skin color."

And I do not recall, correct if you will, any response or denial of this post or any kind of rejection

According to your quote the poster said "too many Americans are still racists." I don't know what I was supposed to respond to or reject in that. Should I have said that about the right number are still racists? Or should I have said there should be more racists? Or perhaps I should have responded that there are no racists left in America. Now, if you took that personally I don't know what to tell you.

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I have a question...do you ever read any other posts except for those you begin ?

I mean, very little of your intelligence is allowed to creep into discussion on health care, the economy of the country or foreign affairs.

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I often go days without logging onto this forum. When I do I usually look for things that interest me, and may respond or may not. I realize buggy and dale, among others, get under your skin, but I don't respond to them because I find them humerous and harmless. The last few days I have logged on more than anytime in months, and yes, I am interested in responses to my posts, as apparently, are you. Again, I don't think my comments are going to actually change anything, or persuade anyone, so I often think "that's interesting, but I don't really have anything to add and I don't feel sufficiently motivated or have the time to form a reply." The other forums have provided a wealth of useful information about the Villages, which is the reason I originally signed up. I never got on the political forum until just a few months ago, and find it to be mostly amusing theatre. By the way, I responde to health care on a pretty good thread the other day that didn't just slam "obamacare", but discussed some reasonable health insurance solutions, so I am capable of chiming in when I feel I have something to add.

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for some of us it is simply a matter of having the wrong person in the job.
The job requires more leadership than Obama has capability.
Without leadership things do not happen. There are too many very high priority issues that have not even been close to being addressed after going on 4 years.

He is not measuring up to what he promised to bring to the table if elected.
As I have said many times before if he were in corporate America he would have not made it past year one.

Lack of performance is a malady that has nothing to do with race, religion or R or D.

He needs to be replaced if there is to be any meaningful progress. If he did not deliver on his promises when he needed the votes....just like he is promising once again.....just think what he won't get done when the electorate would not matter during a second term. Then there is the entire agenda he has....with no electorate to concern him he will become nothing more than an elected loose cannon of more significance than he is now.

He needs to be replaced.

btkThese are great reasons to vote for Mitt Romney in November.

They are NOT reasons to hate the man who was duly elected as the President of our country.

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richie is the embodiment, on this little forum, of a much larger problem for the republicans in the upcoming elections. The democrats are very vulnerable and the republicans are in a wonderful position to sweep the elections. However, the far right wing of the republican party has shouted down anyone who may be interested in reasonable debate or compromise, and thus insulted and alienated many independent minded people who might otherwise lean to the right in the upcoming elections. They would rather have the last word, show their superiority, and try to win every argument than win the hearts and minds of people who might be persuaded. The far right seems either to not be interested, or aware, that they have to have a majority of independent leaning voters to elect their partisans, and achieve their agenda. People like me or richie don't have any real influence, but in the broader picture the cumulative noise is off-turning to many resonable and thoughtful people.:agree::agree::agree:

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I must disagree with VK and eweissenbach on the noise factor.

Have you guys ever watched MSNBC at any time (and VK I include Morning Joe, which I watch almost every morning)...ever watched CNN during the day for the most part...ever read and know what is going on and then read the newspapers or watch the tv news (Fox excluded) and still say the voice of the right is being broadcast so loud. I have to disagree in spades. They do not discuss NO BUDGET....they do not discuss the lies from this administration.

I will be honest that I do not watch Fox much at all, but will agree that they lean a little right for sure.

There seems to be a fascination on the Romney personal lives and NONE..never heard anything (and I am sure I have not seen anythin) but NEVER hear anything about the Obama family as much as the left loves to dissect personally everyone on the right.

Again all my opinion but if you want to hear real stories that may be critical of the Obama administration, you gotta search. If you want to hear about Romney's dog or his wealth, etc......watch or read ANYTHING. If you want to criticize Obama stand back for the class warfare and racial response. If you want to hear all you need to know about Palin and her family....check just about anywhere.

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These are great reasons to vote for Mitt Romney in November.

They are NOT reasons to hate the man who was duly elected as the President of our country.

You guys keep talking about hate....can either of you give a link to validate any of that. I am talking about HATE, not a criticism of his policies, etc.

I dont see it coming from anywhere but the left....as with the class and race stuff....it seems to begin there and rolls to become a fact, thus please give me something to go on.

Actually, to your point VK...no reason to hate anyone....and frankly you imply that BTK was expressing hate.....I do not see that at all. AND personally he has been totally protected. I would resent any of that stuff anyway, but it sure goes on with everyone but...

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According to your quote the poster said "too many Americans are still racists." I don't know what I was supposed to respond to or reject in that. Should I have said that about the right number are still racists? Or should I have said there should be more racists? Or perhaps I should have responded that there are no racists left in America. Now, if you took that personally I don't know what to tell you.

There was nothing that you "should" have done at all.

My personal thing on this is.....when this call is made, ALL should jump on the poster or in "real life" jump on whomever said it, if it so blantly wrong as this was. I know every well about racism..very well, but it cannot and should not be used as a defense mechanism.

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There was nothing that you "should" have done at all.

My personal thing on this is.....when this call is made, ALL should jump on the poster or in "real life" jump on whomever said it, if it so blantly wrong as this was. I know every well about racism..very well, but it cannot and should not be used as a defense mechanism.

The wording of "too many Americans are still racists" was wrong. I should have said that racism is still going on in America. It does happen with blacks and Asians as well as whites. I believe that many Americans dislike or hate Pres. Obama based on his skin color. If that fits you, shame on you. If you dislike Pres. Obama based upon his performance/non-performance as President, good for you.

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richie is the embodiment, on this little forum, of a much larger problem for the republicans in the upcoming elections. The democrats are very vulnerable and the republicans are in a wonderful position to sweep the elections. However, the far right wing of the republican party has shouted down anyone who may be interested in reasonable debate or compromise, and thus insulted and alienated many independent minded people who might otherwise lean to the right in the upcoming elections. They would rather have the last word, show their superiority, and try to win every argument than win the hearts and minds of people who might be persuaded. The far right seems either to not be interested, or aware, that they have to have a majority of independent leaning voters to elect their partisans, and achieve their agenda. People like me or richie don't have any real influence, but in the broader picture the cumulative noise is off-turning to many resonable and thoughtful people.

Pathetically self serving; poor, poor little e. Another long winded and meaningless display. Your last sentence certainly does not apply to you, yourself.

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richie is the embodiment, on this little forum, of a much larger problem for the republicans in the upcoming elections. The democrats are very vulnerable and the republicans are in a wonderful position to sweep the elections. However, the far right wing of the republican party has shouted down anyone who may be interested in reasonable debate or compromise, and thus insulted and alienated many independent minded people who might otherwise lean to the right in the upcoming elections. They would rather have the last word, show their superiority, and try to win every argument than win the hearts and minds of people who might be persuaded. The far right seems either to not be interested, or aware, that they have to have a majority of independent leaning voters to elect their partisans, and achieve their agenda. People like me or richie don't have any real influence, but in the broader picture the cumulative noise is off-turning to many resonable and thoughtful people.

Pathetically self serving; poor, poor little e. Another long winded and meaningless display. Your last sentence certainly does not apply to you, yourself.

You are correct as always richie. I admit I do have real influence.

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What is the point of all of this? Seriously.

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The wording of "too many Americans are still racists" was wrong. I should have said that racism is still going on in America. It does happen with blacks and Asians as well as whites. I believe that many Americans dislike or hate Pres. Obama based on his skin color. If that fits you, shame on you. If you dislike Pres. Obama based upon his performance/non-performance as President, good for you.

And this...

"It is not about his politics but about his skin color."

Unless you were just rambling,this stand alone sentence was concering the opening of the thread and criticism of Obama. Could not be clearer. This was a stand alone sentence, not part of another, and certainly not out of context. It WAS a direct reaction to the OP.

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What is the point of all of this? Seriously.

The point was obliterated about 134 posts ago. Seriously.

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And this...

"It is not about his politics but about his skin color."

Unless you were just rambling,this stand alone sentence was concering the opening of the thread and criticism of Obama. Could not be clearer. This was a stand alone sentence, not part of another, and certainly not out of context. It WAS a direct reaction to the OP.

I have no idea of what you are trying to make out of this. My viewpoint is very simple to understand, I hope.

The wording of "too many Americans are still racists" was wrong. I should have said that racism is still going on in America. It does happen with blacks and Asians as well as whites. I believe that many Americans dislike or hate Pres. Obama based on his skin color. If that fits you, shame on you. If you dislike Pres. Obama based upon his performance/non-performance as President, good for you.

Simple enough to understand, I hope

'Nuff said. Move on.

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What is the point of all of this? Seriously.

Little "e" is just another obsessed with everything I write, and likes to respond to me personally instead of the topic.

I understand, because once I chime in on a topic, what else is there to say :)

I'll try not to egg him on too much, if I can resist.

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After Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, et al, we should not have fallen for a Marxist law student/professor with close ties to others who want to destroy America.

I supported Herman Cain, would like to see Allen West run, and prefer Thomas Sowell's opinions.

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Jim & Marge,

No one said you were racist. You stated you did not like Pres. Obama because you thought he is incompetent - not because of his race. Nothing wrong with your viewpoint even though I (and the majority of American voters) do not think he is incompetent.

If you want to think Pres. Obama is a Marxist, go right ahead and do so. That is not racist.

Of course, you should know that Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler were facists and not Marxists. But that is a different lesson in Political Science 101.

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Little "e" is just another obsessed with everything I write, and likes to respond to me personally instead of the topic.

I understand, because once I chime in on a topic, what else is there to say :)

I'll try not to egg him on too much, if I can resist.

You are right as always richie (little r) - I am obsessed with you and cannot function in real life anymore because of that obsession. There is nothing else to say once you have chimed in because, as you well know, you have said it all. Please don't continue to egg me on, I know you are above this sort of thing. Thank you for your kind indulgence.

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You are right as always richie (little r) - I am obsessed with you and cannot function in real life anymore because of that obsession. There is nothing else to say once you have chimed in because, as you well know, you have said it all. Please don't continue to egg me on, I know you are above this sort of thing. Thank you for your kind indulgence.

Admitting your addiction is the first step to recovery. Good for you.

One step at a time.

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Admitting your addiction is the first step to recovery. Good for you.

One step at a time.

My name is Ed and I'm a richieholic.

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My name is Ed and I'm a richieholic.

glad you haven't lost your sense of humor.

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Jim & Marge,

No one said you were racist. You stated you did not like Pres. Obama because you thought he is incompetent - not because of his race. Nothing wrong with your viewpoint even though I (and the majority of American voters) do not think he is incompetent.

If you want to think Pres. Obama is a Marxist, go right ahead and do so. That is not racist.

Of course, you should know that Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler were facists and not Marxists. But that is a different lesson in Political Science 101.

Sorry, my point is that anyone leaning in the direction of any of the aforementioned should not be welcome to try to control the republic.

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Jim & Marge -

If a majority of American voters vote of Pres. Obama, he is re-elected. You can say whatever you wish under the right of free speech, but remember the number of votes determine who is President.

In my opinion, anyone who has the fanatical views as Gingrich, Paul, Bachmann, Perry, or Santorum should not be welcome to try and control the nation. Fortunately, there were enough Republicans with the same opinion as mine.