When Stopped By Police and Legally Carrying a Firearm

[skyguy79]

I remember recent discussions where the the legal carrying of a weapon was discussed and thought some might like seeing the video that came to my attention through FaceBook!

Tips When Stopped By Police and Carrying a Firearm - YouTube (http://youtu.be/dT-nePQuT-s)

[RichieLion]

I remember recent discussions where the the legal carrying of a weapon was discussed and thought some might like seeing the video that came to my attention through FaceBook!

Tips When Stopped By Police and Carrying a Firearm - YouTube (http://youtu.be/dT-nePQuT-s)

Very interesting and informative.

Thanks Sky

[Figmo Bohica]

In a lot of the states, the officer knows that you have a carry permit, as it shows up when they do the initial stop and call in your license plate number.

[CMANN]

I remember recent discussions where the the legal carrying of a weapon was discussed and thought some might like seeing the video that came to my attention through FaceBook!

Tips When Stopped By Police and Carrying a Firearm - YouTube (http://youtu.be/dT-nePQuT-s)

Good post.

[buggyone]

I saw a little police blotter report in the Daily Sun this morning. A man was dropping his wife off at a store. A car comes in back of him and does not like to be kept waiting. The car circles the parking lot, parks by the first man. The driver gets out and begins cursing at the first man for blocking his way and in the heat of the arguement - raises his shirt to display a revolver in a holster. That dude is now charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

Hot heads do not mix with concealed weapons.

[Dennis Ga]

Thank You :police:

[graciegirl]

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[TV-4-2]

I have all of Ayoob's books and used to teach from them, but that is the first time I have seen him presenting anything.
Thanks for the link.
Larry

[Figmo Bohica]

For all you Florida CWL holders, read, heed and take to heart the FL statutue on display of a firearm. You might want to cool your heels.

[graciegirl]

I see no reason to carry a gun around here in TV. NONE. For those that do...it seems to be a form of showing off. When you bring it up they spout out things they have heard at meetings and things they have read.To me it is like a big mind control thing. Like a cult or religion. There is no real or imminent danger here in The Villages at this time.

The Constitution says we have the right to bear arms and that is good when and if there is a real and apparent danger.

People in The Villages do not need to ask dumb questions of each other like I have read on this forum...like..do you take your gun to the dentist...or to the doctor's office. I have read on this forum about people here who say things that are so provoking and show lack of control of temper and lack of good judgement that if two of them would show their poor judgements by taunting each other in person and had guns...there could be a deadly altercation.

I believe in everyone second ammendment rights but I do not see why anyone would carry a gun around The Villages.

Sit down and get comfortable...because people are gonna tell me why........

[buggyone]

As usual, Gracie, you are right. However, there are those who think a gun is necessary apparel at all times. No reason for it in The Villages, though.

I know of one lady (85 years old) who just got her CCW license and her husband is in a wheelchair and homebound. He keeps a revolver in the side pocket of his wheelchair.

Another person I heard of answers his door (day or night) with a pistol ready to use in a hip holster. He said he is frightened of home invasion in The Villages.

Seems foolish to me to live that scared - especially in a slice of Heaven like The Villages.

[paulandjean]

I agree, no need for gun in the villages. To many cowboys that are all show.

[Figmo Bohica]

The Constitution says we have the right to bear arms and that is good when and if there is a real and apparent danger.
Sit down and get comfortable...because people are gonna tell me why........

Graciegirl, who is going to tell us when a, to use your words real and apparent danger is close at hand?

There needs to be some changes in the CWL requirements by most all of the states. Many have no training requirements, requiring you to learn about the laws pertaining to concealed carry. Most of the concealed carry classes here in Florida are a joke. Also you don't need any class instruction if you are prior military and have a DD 214 or a hunter safety class. Hunter safety class does not require that you fire a shoot. A DD 214 issued 30 years ago to a draftee, ain't nothing wrong with draftees, but his sole job in the military was a cook, who only fired a rifle twice during his entire military career, is a joke when it comes to issuing a concealed permit. At least have the requirement that they attended a class on the statute pertaining to concealed carry and know and understand the law, with a certificate issued by an approved trainer, either state certified or NRA certified. BTW I am both.

I don't really worry to much about those that carry here in TV, my biggest fear is those idiots that drive. Traffic circles are a death trap and everyone seems to be in a hurry to get somewhere fast.

[CarGuys]

I'm going with I2RdHD advise,

I do have a conceled permit here in NY got it for Deer hunting way back when. It was not a conceled type of pistol but the permits were easier to get back then.

I'm going with the advise of my friends. As with the depates of Elec vs Gas carts.

Both sides have good honest and at times emotional points. However never going to win a debate over the other.:boxing2:

IMHO i'ts easy. If you want to carry

1: Legal Permits
2: Class Room for the legal limits of the law, Range Instructors Carry Instructions. Range Practice and more Practice
3: It's a covert personel protection and is not to show off brag or threaten with.
4: Have fun at the target range drawing imaginary faces on targets!:coolsmiley:

Well maybe strike #4 :ohdear:

[buggyone]

Car Guy,

What were you shooting deer with in New York so you would need a Concealed Weapon License? Most people use a shotgun with slugs or even a "deer rifle" and those certainly cannot be concealed on your person.

I suppose you could use a .44 magnum but would have to be very good with it.

[billethkid]

Graicie your comment:
"For those that do...it seems to be a form of showing off."

May be appropriate for the miniscule number that behave as you allege.
I will venture to say those who behave in such a manner they probably do not have a permit.

And for those of us who do have permits there is no way any would behave as you inappropriately paint those who carry with a very inaccurate picture of who they are and how they behave.

It is OK to not be for guns and what ever else comes with the belief. It is quite another to to speak negatively about a segment of the population that most of you know nothing about.

The so called "need" to own and or carry a gun is, as I have stated many, MANY times on TOTV, no different than carrying insurance (of any kind). Insurance is nothing more than a just in case situation....is it not?
People who feel differently about guns than you and many like you need to understand that those of us who do carry do so for the VERY SAME REASON, just in case.

I never attempt to change an anti gun's person views. I do however, take exception when well meaning folks like yourself, characterize us in a totally incorrect and negative way.

Gun owners are not what you see on the permitted violence called entertainment in the movies and television. They also are not the character painted by the media. They are your neighbors!!!

A real plus for many of you folks is that unlike the just in case insurance you have to pay for.....you get the benefit of us being in your midst....for free. We do what is right, under the law, and just in case, to protect ourselves or YOU!!!!

btk

[GypsySooners]

Well, I’ve probably got more training with firearms than most folks. I was an Air Force Combat Controller for seven years. During that time I had quite a bit of firearms training and experience. Then I went through a police academy and was a cop for two years.

I didn’t purchase a gun, though, until an incident in the panhandle of Florida 15 or 20 years ago. A couple from the United Kingdom were traveling and stopped in a rest area west of Tallahassee and were gunned down by some young punks.

We traveled a lot and I told my wife that if we’d been there I would have had to try to help but without a gun, and against numerous young thugs with guns, I don’t know what I could have done.

So, I purchased a S&W .357 revolver. It’ what I had as a cop and I knew the gun and wouldn’t have to worry about how to take the safety off. LOL!

Since I purchased it I’ve only fired it, maybe, 20 times. I keep five chambers loaded and nothing in the chamber aligned with the muzzle in case of a fire in the house or car. Why would you need more than two or three loaded chambers anyway unless you are a pathetic marksman?

My wife travels alone to visit her family in NC so we recently purchased a S&W Bodygurard .38 for her. We both have Conceal/Carry permits.

We don’t carry unless we’re traveling but if we we’re stopped by law enforcement for any reason we would hand our conceal/carry permit with our drivers license to the officer to let him know we are carrying and are legal. I’d never just tell them I have a firearm.

And, if someone is harassing you and you want to warn them you have a firearm you could simply show them your conceal/carry permit. That is legal…, showing them your gun is not!

[redwitch]

Gracie, I know you don't get why people carry in a place like TV but, as you know, there are reasons. Everyone has a story. Some stories are pretty, some are not. Some carry just in case they need it. Some have had experiences that have let them know they need it. Some are truly in danger from another and carry for protection. Some do it just because they can. As safe as TV is, it does have its elements. So, we carry and most of us pray that the only place we will ever have to fire our weapons is at a shooting range. Regardless, we carry.

The majority who carry are very careful of their weapons. They don't flash them. They rarely even announce they have a weapon on or near them. They try to be law-abiding. Many really do know the gun laws of the state they are in and fully abide by them. Many of us take every gun-safety class we can. We know our weapons and their limitations. Hopefully, we know our own limitations as well.

[Figmo Bohica]

And, if someone is harassing you and you want to warn them you have a firearm you could simply show them your conceal/carry permit. That is legal…, showing them your gun is not!

You really need to re-read the Florida Statute on banishing. Rules are a little different for CWL holders, you can be charge even if you don't have the firearm on you. So be careful of what you display to someone.

[CarGuys]

Car Guy,

What were you shooting deer with in New York so you would need a Concealed Weapon License? Most people use a shotgun with slugs or even a "deer rifle" and those certainly cannot be concealed on your person.

I suppose you could use a .44 magnum but would have to be very good with it.

Good question. Took two Deer. One with a Smith and Wesson 8/3/ inch 41 Magnum. One with a Thompson Contender 35 Remington Mag!

Hate Shot Guns with Slugs, Rather use a Bow or Pistol. Southern Tier Shot Gun is correct except for legal pistol rounds
At the time only conceled permits were issued. Were talking 1973 before screaming liberal NYS judges took the bench and tried to take away your right to carry.

[CarGuys]

Gracie, I know you don't get why people carry in a place like TV but, as you know, there are reasons. Everyone has a story. Some stories are pretty, some are not. Some carry just in case they need it. Some have had experiences that have let them know they need it. Some are truly in danger from another and carry for protection. Some do it just because they can. As safe as TV is, it does have its elements. So, we carry and most of us pray that the only place we will ever have to fire our weapons is at a shooting range. Regardless, we carry.

The majority who carry are very careful of their weapons. They don't flash them. They rarely even announce they have a weapon on or near them. They try to be law-abiding. Many really do know the gun laws of the state they are in and fully abide by them. Many of us take every gun-safety class we can. We know our weapons and their limitations. Hopefully, we know our own limitations as well.
My sister was a single mom, living next to my Dad raising a young son. Nameless animal broke in to her house. Held her at knife point. Cut off her hair, tied the boy up in the closed, rapped and beat my sister for 12 hours. The pictures of her bruised body after than night still stay in my mind.

He stole her car credit cards and money. Took off from NY headed south. Ran a road block and forced a trooper off the road in PA. Was caught escaped from the PA hospital and was later apprehended in Arizona. The criminal was on the run for over 9 months.

Red witch you summed it up. Some have been through horrific crimes. Our family is still watching the release dates if he gets out! Parole is coming up again in two years. He has stated in letters mailed out to my sister from prison he will hunt us all down and kill us.

Gracie that is not a very nice story is it. My sister has moved with her life. A grandmother/ A wonderful loving new husband and his business took them to TN.

At church the women came up to her and said . Would you like to join our Ladies Pistol Club. Women shoot free on Friday Nights! From NY where you could not get a concealed permit to TN.

It's all not good.:sad:

[graciegirl]

Graicie your comment:
"For those that do...it seems to be a form of showing off."

May be appropriate for the miniscule number that behave as you allege.
I will venture to say those who behave in such a manner they probably do not have a permit.

And for those of us who do have permits there is no way any would behave as you inappropriately paint those who carry with a very inaccurate picture of who they are and how they behave.

It is OK to not be for guns and what ever else comes with the belief. It is quite another to to speak negatively about a segment of the population that most of you know nothing about.

The so called "need" to own and or carry a gun is, as I have stated many, MANY times on TOTV, no different than carrying insurance (of any kind). Insurance is nothing more than a just in case situation....is it not?
People who feel differently about guns than you and many like you need to understand that those of us who do carry do so for the VERY SAME REASON, just in case.

I never attempt to change an anti gun's person views. I do however, take exception when well meaning folks like yourself, characterize us in a totally incorrect and negative way.

Gun owners are not what you see on the permitted violence called entertainment in the movies and television. They also are not the character painted by the media. They are your neighbors!!!

A real plus for many of you folks is that unlike the just in case insurance you have to pay for.....you get the benefit of us being in your midst....for free. We do what is right, under the law, and just in case, to protect ourselves or YOU!!!!

btk

Billy. I respect you mightily. But I don't respect people who think it is o.k. to carry guns in a peaceful quiet community like ours. I don't know what I can learn about that particular mindset but according to my first amendment rights I can be a conservative and a person who is against laws like the one in Florida and have the right to say how I feel. I am 71 years old and none of the people that I know personally, none of my family carry guns or feel the need to. I have had three careers and in all that time working and flying across the country and moving about my world, I have never met anyone who tried to personally harm me.

I realize that others have had very dissimilar lives, but no one I know personally, including all of my huge family has had anyone try to harm them or rob them. They have never been in trouble with the law and they just aren't looking for trouble or put themselves in harms way if they can help it. I don't know why I should change my mind. I know bad stuff happens and I believe in the right to bear arms, but I don't see why people would carry firearms here in The Villages.

Now if I lived in an area or moved about in an area of high crime, I might feel differently.

AND if some gunman breaks into my home and shoots me and my loved ones and steals my good dutch oven...please do not feel you need to send flowers. Just say.. She was wrong.

[billethkid]

Why do police carry guns in quiet respectful little towns? Ask a police officer how often they have to draw their guns let alone fire it. Statistically not very often.

The issue is not the quiet respectful little towns. As I said it is like one chooses to have insurance for a catastrophic event that is unlikely to happen.

The same reason you have a spare in the trunk. In the unlikely event you need it.

There is no conscious decision to carry a gun or any other form of defense based on living in a quiet respectful area or not. It is more akin to the thought process required to put on your watch or carry a wallet.

Each and every one has a right to believe as they see fit. And I personally do not believe one should assign respect or not or dislike another because of the choices they make.

It is very unfortunate that the majority of the populations knowledge base about guns comes from the sensationalizing by the media. And the disgustingly over dramatization of gun use in movies and television.
These represent the minority report on the illegal use of fire arms. While the majority, millions and millions of us who adhere to the laws of the land are over shadowed by the minority reporting and distorted entertainment industries.

I also know from years and years and years of defending us law abiding, safe gun owners.....it is a waste of time to present our case. However I cannot pass an opportunity to make sure the true side of gun ownership is heard as well as the distorted side.

btk

[red tail]

so the hated list is
1. guns
2. dog poop
3. fast golf carts
4. roundabouts
5. people driving in the left lanes
6. people that dont use their turn signals
7. people that dont repair divots
8. that guy that doesnt like people to shoot the 'bird'
have i missed anything?

[eremite06]

Why do police carry guns in quiet respectful little towns? Ask a police officer how often they have to draw their guns let alone fire it. Statistically not very often.

The issue is not the quiet respectful little towns. As I said it is like one chooses to have insurance for a catastrophic event that is unlikely to happen.

The same reason you have a spare in the trunk. In the unlikely event you need it.

There is no conscious decision to carry a gun or any other form of defense based on living in a quiet respectful area or not. It is more akin to the thought process required to put on your watch or carry a wallet.

Each and every one has a right to believe as they see fit. And I personally do not believe one should assign respect or not or dislike another because of the choices they make.

It is very unfortunate that the majority of the populations knowledge base about guns comes from the sensationalizing by the media. And the disgustingly over dramatization of gun use in movies and television.
These represent the minority report on the illegal use of fire arms. While the majority, millions and millions of us who adhere to the laws of the land are over shadowed by the minority reporting and distorted entertainment industries.

I also know from years and years and years of defending us law abiding, safe gun owners.....it is a waste of time to present our case. However I cannot pass an opportunity to make sure the true side of gun ownership is heard as well as the distorted side.

btk

:agree:

[Barefoot]

so the hated list is
1. guns
2. dog poop
3. fast golf carts
4. roundabouts
5. people driving in the left lanes
6. people that dont use their turn signals
7. people that dont repair divots
8. that guy that doesnt like people to shoot the 'bird'
have i missed anything?

You forgot to put Snowbirds on your list. :cryin2:

[Shimpy]

All I know is I have mine and if you don't want one that's your option, and I could care less,
but don't ask me to be your cop, he'll be there whenever he gets a chance. It's only your family at risk.
Like an insurance policy. Chances are your house won't catch fire, but it can and does happen. Why not be prepared? Why not cover all possible ways to protect your family? How would you feel if you let your family be brutalized and raped and did nothing because you didn't like guns?

[BobKat1]

You forgot to put Snowbirds on your list. :cryin2:

In addtion to fast golf carts (#3) add slow golf carts.

[BobKat1]

Is there a maximum age for obtaining a CWL? It probably varies by state, but curious as to the general age limit if they exist.

[Jack88]

On July 24, 2007, the quiet Connecticut town of Cheshire was shocked by a brutal home invasion that left a house in flames, a wife and her two daughters dead ...
Operative word "quiet".....Just like The Villages. Gracie, I don't know you but I would bet a million dollars you would answer the door bell at 8pm with a "who's here for coffee" mentality when in fact it is two clowns on crack deciding to smash in the first door that opens. Wake up and realize the police can't be everywhere. I refuse to risk my life and the life of my wife when I don't have to. I have trained and I am ready. I pray the day never comes when I answer the door to someone I do not want to come in. By the way, my outside storm door remains locked day and night. Better safe than sorry and always remember "be sure of you surroundings at all times".

[dillywho]

I remember recent discussions where the the legal carrying of a weapon was discussed and thought some might like seeing the video that came to my attention through FaceBook!

Tips When Stopped By Police and Carrying a Firearm - YouTube (http://youtu.be/dT-nePQuT-s)

We both had the CWL in Texas and we were taught that if/when stopped by police to immediately place your hands palms up in plain view on top of the steering wheel and to not put them out of sight until the officer got to your window and instructed you to do so. We were also instructed to tell the officer that you have your CWL and to present it along with your license. You are only required in Texas to show it if you have your weapon with you. It's just easier if you do it anyway.

I was stopped once, did as I had learned, and all the officer asked me was if I had it with me and where it was. When I told him that it was in the door pocket, all he said was "Would you leave it there, please.", and walked back to his vehicle. When he returned, he gave me back my licenses and told me to have a nice day.

One of the primary reasons I got a CWL was that we used to travel quite a bit and I could not be left in the vehicle with a gun without one. (You are in violation if you are in a vehicle alone with a handgun and do not have a permit even if someone else does.) I did not get out everytime my husband did nor did he when I got out. I also felt much safer having it when I had to work swing or midnight shifts since our plant was located some 20 miles outside of town or when I had to be home alone when he was working those or sometimes a double shift.

Under no circumstances could you display your gun. If the outline could be detected under your clothing, that was considered display and you could be arrested for not having it concealed since Texas is a Concealed Carry State.

[Figmo Bohica]

Is there a maximum age for obtaining a CWL? It probably varies by state, but curious as to the general age limit if they exist.

IAW federal law you must be 21 years old to purchase a hundgun. Without doing lots of checking I believe that all the states require CWL holders to be 21 years of age, IAW federal handgun ownership laws. There is a court case moving slowly in Texas to give 18 year olds the right to have a CWL. What the status of that case is I don't know as I have not been following it that closely.

If you want to check the facts, google Gun Facts Version 6 and read the complete report, below is just one myth that is busted concerning firearms.

Myth: Guns are not effective in preventing crime against women

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% (192,500) are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.

Fact: When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of rape attacks are completed, compared to 32% when unarmed.

Fact: The probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller at 1.4 times more likely to receive a serious injury.

Fact: 28.5% of women have a gun in the house.

Fact: 41.7% of women either own or have rapid access to guns.

Fact: In 1966, the city of Orlando responded to a wave of sexual assaults by offering firearms training classes to women. Rapes dropped by nearly 90% the following year. ABC News, July 17, 2001

Just a few more facts.

Myth: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

Fact: It seems to be slowing down property crime (especially burglaries).

Fact: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

Everyone have a nice day.

[billethkid]

FB, what you presented above will never, ever be seen or heard via the public media. It is counter to the distorted image they prefer to brainwash the masses with.

btk

[BobKat1]

IAW federal law you must be 21 years old to purchase a hundgun. Without doing lots of checking I believe that all the states require CWL holders to be 21 years of age, IAW federal handgun ownership laws. There is a court case moving slowly in Texas to give 18 year olds the right to have a CWL. What the status of that case is I don't know as I have not been following it that closely.

If you want to check the facts, google Gun Facts Version 6 and read the complete report, below is just one myth that is busted concerning firearms.

Myth: Guns are not effective in preventing crime against women

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% (192,500) are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.

Fact: When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of rape attacks are completed, compared to 32% when unarmed.

Fact: The probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller at 1.4 times more likely to receive a serious injury.

Fact: 28.5% of women have a gun in the house.

Fact: 41.7% of women either own or have rapid access to guns.

Fact: In 1966, the city of Orlando responded to a wave of sexual assaults by offering firearms training classes to women. Rapes dropped by nearly 90% the following year. ABC News, July 17, 2001

Just a few more facts.

Myth: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

Fact: It seems to be slowing down property crime (especially burglaries).

Fact: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

Everyone have a nice day.

FB, thanks for the information. I was wondering about a maximum age for carrying. As we age (and don't I know!) ones reflexes, judgement etc. aren't what they used to be. Elderly/aging men and women carrying weapons could present a different set of potential safelty problems for them and those around them. Something to consider, especially in retirement communities. I haven't seen any data one way or another just a thought.

[Figmo Bohica]

FB, thanks for the information. I was wondering about a maximum age for carrying. As we age (and don't I know!) ones reflexes, judgement etc. aren't what they used to be. Elderly/aging men and women carrying weapons could present a different set of potential safelty problems for them and those around them. Something to consider, especially in retirement communities. I haven't seen any data one way or another just a thought.

Neither have I seem anything about a maximum carry age requirement. Sort of think it is the same for the driving requirement. (That's a joke.) Found a patch on the internet that sort of sums it up.

"Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he's too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

Once we reach a certain age, avoidance and deterrence will be come my way to live, just as I do now. Remember your first choice of self protection should be your cell phone and avoiding things that will put you or your in harms way.

BTW, there is a new club just getting started in The Villages, its called the Villages Straight Shooters. They meet on the third Thursday night, 6:30 PM, Sea Breeze Rec Center, that is tonight. The VSS has a website, The Villages Straight Shooters Club - Home (http://www.vssclub.org)

Also the VSSs will be offering classes on firearm safety and will be doing some shooting at a local range for any one that is interested in learning how of SAFELY handle a firearm. Come on out and visit with the VSS members and see if this is something that you would like to do. All Villagers are welcome.

[TV-4-2]

Figmo Bohica; thanks for letting us know about that club.
We were wondering where/how to get some practice regularly and who to contact.
You solved it!
See ya there, once we get sold/bought/moved.
Larry

[Vinny]

I often wonder why those that think TV is so safe lock thir doors and windows when they go out and do the same when they park their cars. Many forget that TV has a large percentage of renters and problem children living with their parents. According to the Sheriff giving the talk when we moved here, they commit about 93% of the crime in TV. Heavens yes, there is crime in TV. If you look for it you will find the news stories. If you wear blinders and buy into the slice of heaven safest place on earth thing then you will be oblivious.

Just talk to a Disney ex employee to find out how crime free the happiest place on earth really is. Appearances can be deceiving and if we protect ourselves based only on what dangers befall those we know, we would be vulnerable to all the horrors that befall those we do not know. And that is considerable If I knew where I would need a gun I just would not go there. I also find it amusing when people disparage gun owners or gun carriers due to the actions of a very small minority but would not think to do the same to those who drink alcohol. I am not muh of a drinker and yet have to put up with drunks at the Town Squares whenever I go there at night. Just do not understand the need to drink in our slice of heaven. :)

I am one of those people who have avoided violence with my gun. Both times while at places I thought were very safe. Too many people buy insurance, install burglar alarms, etc. after the need arises. Not going to do that with my life. Too many are naive as they have not been exposed to crime yet. I know a few of them who went from anti guns to not enough guns. :). As I tell others, I will not complain about your drunk car and cart diving if you do not complain about the gun you do not even know I am carrying. In most cases those who are against guns do not even know how they work or the gun laws that govern their use. Hard to present an educated opinion on that basis.

[rp001]

The question reminded me of an episode of the tv show COPS many yrs ago..An officer responding to a suspicious person call, by an elderly female, was approacing the house when 6 shots rang out from a revolver..

The officer eventually made contact with the elderly lady and she stated that she saw a shadow out the back door,was afraid,and unloaded..There was never any evidence found of any attempt of intrusion or blood trails..

The officer admonished the lady about target acquisition...Then helped her reload her gun and put it back in her nightstand..True story..ONLY IN TEXAS...

Gotta love them

[CarGuys]

BTW, there is a new club just getting started in The Villages, its called the Villages Straight Shooters. They meet on the third Thursday night, 6:30 PM, Sea Breeze Rec Center, that is tonight. The VSS has a website, The Villages Straight Shooters Club * - Home

Also the VSSs will be offering classes on firearm safety and will be doing some shooting at a local range for any one that is interested in learning how of SAFELY handle a firearm. Come on out and visit with the VSS members and see if this is something that you would like to do. All Villagers are welcome.

Thanks for the information. Will have to come visit when were down there.

[wendyquat]

I don't LIKE guns and never have BUT I do have a concealed weapon permit. I may or may not carry a concealed weapon but that's for me to know and maybe for you to wonder about! Especially if you are intending me harm! You may think twice with so many permits being issued!

[buggyone]

If a person who had not visited The Villages read these posts, they would think it is a gun toting Dodge City. The poster who said he puts up with drunks every time he visits the town squares is ridiculous. Very, very seldom have I seen a drunk person there.

I have not seen any violence in the 3 years I have been in The Villages from anyone. Ridiculous to carry a pistol in The Villages.

[Taltarzac725]

If a person who had not visited The Villages read these posts, they would think it is a gun toting Dodge City. The poster who said he puts up with drunks every time he visits the town squares is ridiculous. Very, very seldom have I seen a drunk person there.

I have not seen any violence in the 3 years I have been in The Villages from anyone. Ridiculous to carry a pistol in The Villages.

Well there was the Tea Party cheerleader here in the Villages who heard a noise in her house and proceeded to get her loaded pistol out of her nightstand and then shot the vacuum cleaner. I guess it had moved in the middle of the night as something leaning against a wall sometimes does.

In the seven years I have been in the Villages, there have been a couple of shootings usually involving domestic violence of some kind. Or, at least, domestic disputes involving a son ****ed off at a man wooing his mother as well as a retired law enforcement officer who got into a dispute with his wife which turned violent. http://www.northjersey.com/news/Retired_Bergen_County_detective_shot_by_wife.html There was also the Miller case. http://rightinflorida.blogspot.com/2008/02/murder-in-villages-justice-completed.html

There have been a few suicides too with firearms of various kinds. Notably that of Melinda Duckett which happened here in the Villages back in 2006. http://www.wftv.com/news/news/mother-of-missing-leesburg-toddler-left-suicide-no/nJsbK/

[Figmo Bohica]

Well there was the Tea Party cheerleader here in the Villages who heard a noise in her house and proceeded to get her loaded pistol out of her nightstand and then shot the vacuum cleaner. I guess it had moved in the middle of the night as something leaning against a wall sometimes does.

Vacuum cleaners are very dangerous, hope that it did not suffer. Now, what if that had been her grandchild or child. Before pulling the trigger now what your target is and what is behind it. The answer to all her problems would have been a good defensive class and the proper use of a tactical illumination device (flashlight, for those that are tactically challenged). With proper training the vacuum cleaner would still be alive and doing it job. She is a :0000000000luvmyhors and should have had her cwl pulled.

[Taltarzac725]

Vacuum cleaners are very dangerous, hope that it did not suffer. Now, what if that had been her grandchild or child. Before pulling the trigger now what your target is and what is behind it. The answer to all her problems would have been a good defensive class and the proper use of a tactical illumination device (flashlight, for those that are tactically challenged). With proper training the vacuum cleaner would still be alive and doing it job. She is a :0000000000luvmyhors and should have had her cwl pulled.

I doubt if she had/has a concealed weapon permit. As far as I know, she would not be in any situation where she could need a concealed weapon.

There are various people who would definitely need a concealed weapon permit like business people who transfer valuable items as well as women/men who have had threats of some kind made against them. Usually these involve relationships gone bad or a stalker of some kind.

[buggyone]

In those cases mentioned, if the homes did not have guns in them - would the situation have occured? Would the wife have stabbed her husband in the shower? Would the suicides have taken place with other means? Would the display of a rolled up pair of dirty socks intimidate someone in a parking lot?

Take guns out of the equation and the situation just might turn out a lot different.

[RichieLion]

I would like a link to the "Tea Party Cheerleader??" story. How come links to other stories and not one about this "Villages story"??

A little validation, please. There is no link I can find on this "news story".

[skyguy79]

I would like a link to the "Tea Party Cheerleader??" story. How come links to other stories and not one about this "Villages story"??

A little validation, please. There is no link I can find on this "news story".Richie, how long can you hold your breath for? http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/MySpotToo/CCEmoteThud.gif

[Taltarzac725]

I would like a link to the "Tea Party Cheerleader??" story. How come links to other stories and not one about this "Villages story"??

A little validation, please. There is no link I can find on this "news story".

She is a very visible Tea Party member who has appeared many times in The Villages Daily Sun either in terms of "Letters to the Editor" or in stories about her, her politics, or some of her other interests.

Of course, the vacuum cleaner story is from a very reliable source. Her. I know her personally. That is not something you would see in a newspaper. Definitely not one like the Villages Daily Sun though which highlights Tea Party views.

[billethkid]

If guns were not in the equation one thing is absolutely for certain. The quiet in TV that we all love and claim here would be threatened. Once the criminal element finds out there is no threat from guns from the law abiding residents....crime WILL go up....break ins will INCREASE. That is not just for TV it is for anyplace.

It has been proven time and time again.

btk

[BobKat1]

I'm convinced there should be a forum dedicated to the cw discussion. It will go on forever. For every pro-gun fact/point/list one can make a compelling anti-gun fact/point/list. To date I haven't seen anyone change their position.

[Figmo Bohica]

Myth: Gun registration works

Fact: Not in New Zealand. They repealed their gun registration law in the 1980s after police acknowledged its worthlessness.

Fact: Not in Australia. “It seems just to be an elaborate system of arithmetic with no tangible aim. Probably, and with the best of intentions, it may have been thought, that if it were known what firearms each individual in Victoria owned, some form of control may be exercised, and those who were guilty of criminal misuse could be readily identified. This is a fallacy, and has been proven not to be the case.” And this costs the Australian taxpayers over $200 million annually.

Fact: Not in Canada.

• More than 20,000 Canadian gun-owners have publicly refused to register their firearms. Many others are silently ignoring the law.
• The provincial governments of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba have dumped both the administration and the enforcement of all federal gun-control laws right back into Ottawa's lap, throwing the Canadian government into a paper civil war.
• And all at a cost more than 1,646% the original projected cost (the original cost was estimated at 5% of all police expenditures in Canada). "The gun registry as it sits right now is causing law abiding citizens to register their guns but it does nothing to take one illegal gun off the street or to increase any type of penalty for anybody that violates any part of the legislation," according to Al Koenig, President, Calgary Police Association. "We have an ongoing gun crisis, including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them", according to Toronto police Chief Julian Fantino .
• The system is so bad that five Canadian provinces (British Columbia joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia, and Ontario) are refusing to prosecute firearm owners who fail to register.
• A bill to abolish the registry has been tabled (introduced) in the Canadian parliament which, if passed, would eliminate the registry completely.

Fact: Not in Germany. The Federal Republic of Germany began comprehensive gun registration in 1972. The government estimated that between 17,000,000 and 20,000,000 guns were to be registered, but only 3,200,000 surfaced, leaving 80% unaccounted for.

Fact: Not in Boston, Cleveland, or California. These cities and states require registration of “assault weapons.” The compliance rate in Boston and Cleveland is about 1%. California originally had a 90% non-compliance rate.

Fact: Criminals don’t register their guns.

[buggyone]

If guns were not in the equation one thing is absolutely for certain. The quiet in TV that we all love and claim here would be threatened. Once the criminal element finds out there is no threat from guns from the law abiding residents....crime WILL go up....break ins will INCREASE. That is not just for TV it is for anyplace.

It has been proven time and time again.

btk

Once more, quoting the late, great Harry Morgan as Col. Sherman T. Potter - "MEADOW MUFFINS!"

[billethkid]

look it up and prepare to be surprised!!!

btk

[paulandjean]

Or you can look at it this way,If Travon Martin had a gun he might be alive today.

[buggyone]

The only crimes I have heard of in 2.5 years in The Villages dealing with guns have been from "law abiding citizens" with guns. There was the former policewoman who shot her husband in the shower and 2 people have displayed their holstered guns during arguements in parking lots. I do not know of any other crime in The Villages involving guns in that time period. Did I miss any?

BTK seems to think that gun-totin' Villagers scare away violent criminals. I would ask BTK to prove that gun-totin' Villagers have kept violent criminals from The Villages. Not by a comparison of other countries or places but here in The Villages. Can't be proved, can it?

[billethkid]

not what I said but be happy in YOUR interpretation and thoughts.

Seems to me you overlook(ed) the millions that do it right in TV or any where else.

btk

[ProximaMan]

I wonder if those carrying weapons, who say they are protecting us all, would be willing to lay down their arms for an overnight and patrol on a citizens' watch.

That would protect us more, don't you think. And I don't mean the people who drive around for the developer, I mean a real volunteer citizens' crime watch.

Now that would be a service.

[graciegirl]

To me...IN THE VILLAGES at the present time. the status quo does not require any extra effort on the part of anyone for any further protection from harm except vehicular harm. To me it is being excessively fearful to carry guns here in this place at this time.

Sometimes this whole idea of guns being "insurance" against being harmed is a lot for me to accept. Sort of akin to having a double mastectomy at the age of 20 to prevent breast cancer.

Moderation and common sense and awareness and good choices and maintaining oneself in a respectful way towards others, including not taunting, escalating arguments and being patient with others foibles add to an atmostphere of peaceful living here. And if a person finds that his/her personality becomes irascible with the use of alcohol, than moderatie drinking is a good choice for those persons. If a person feels safer with doors and windows locked than lock them.

That is my opinion, and my summary of how things seem to be working based on my life experiences presently. That is what I have been taught that reasonable people do. If some of the very nice people that live here feel safer carrying guns, it is their right to do so, but I do not see the need.

I believe that people who think it is best to carry guns here are very sincere in their beliefs and I wonder if they ever, ever, think they could be mistaken. I reassess my beliefs frequently.

Now I am not a fool, and am able to change as times and realities change.

I have lived in areas all of my life that were not high crime. There was two murders in our old community in 40 years.. None in the one I lived in for the first 20 years of my life. My grandfather who raised me was a police officer. I know that others have had different life experiences. I have been very fortunate and very blessed.

I have also been madder than hell. It is wise for me not to carry a gun.

[paulandjean]

I think this posts is getting old.Lets move on!

[skyguy79]

I think this posts is getting old.Lets move on!All posts get old! We all get old! If anyone would like to move on, please knock yourselves out. Nobody's holding anybody back! http://static.railbirds.com/gallery/2008/04/44969smiley_waving_goodbye.gif

[BobKat1]

I think this posts is getting old.Lets move on!

When the posts start getting longer and longer with more facts, quotes, links etc. you know the discussion has just about run its course.:)

[RichieLion]

If guns were not in the equation one thing is absolutely for certain. The quiet in TV that we all love and claim here would be threatened. Once the criminal element finds out there is no threat from guns from the law abiding residents....crime WILL go up....break ins will INCREASE. That is not just for TV it is for anyplace.

It has been proven time and time again.

btk

Once more, quoting the late, great Harry Morgan as Col. Sherman T. Potter - "MEADOW MUFFINS!"

Buggy, do you really think it would not affect crime statistics if the criminal element could be assured that the law abiding populace was reliably unarmed?

It seems an extremely naive belief to me. But, if you really believe that, I have something for you. I've posted it before. Be the first on your block to public make this statement, since your belief is that such a policy wouldn't increase crime.

Put this sign in the front window of your home.

I'll publicly applaud you for your courage if you do so.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad51/wakytimes/Gun-Free-House_no_problem_Anti-Gun-440px.jpg

[buggyone]

Make up your mind, BTK.

First, you said, "If guns were not in the equation one thing is absolutely for certain. The quiet in TV that we all love and claim here would be threatened. Once the criminal element finds out there is no threat from guns from the law abiding residents....crime WILL go up....break ins will INCREASE. That is not just for TV it is for anyplace."
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I came back with "BTK seems to think that gun-totin' Villagers scare away violent criminals."
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BTK replied. "not what I said but be happy in YOUR interpretation and thoughts."
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Well, what is it? Do the gun-totin' Villagers scare away violent criminals and we all have you and the other gun toters to thank and can you prove that The Villages would be crime-ridden and a fearful place if Villagers did not carry guns at the town squares - and probably in bars where they are illegal?

[buggyone]

Richie,

Thanks for the sign. Unfortunately, my printer is out of colored ink right now.

I know you do not have to worry about break-ins at Casa de Richie with your attack cat, Rusty, on duty.

[RichieLion]

Richie,

Thanks for the sign. Unfortunately, my printer is out of colored ink right now.

I know you do not have to worry about break-ins at Casa de Richie with your attack cat, Rusty, on duty.

True, but not everyone has a fearless feline of Rusty's caliber :)

[billethkid]

I don't have to make up my mind to make what I intended fit your purpose.

If you don't get it or choose not to get it (bingo!!), as I said, be happy in your thoughts....as incorrect as they may be!!

Repitition no matter what sounds like an oh so familiar tactic!

btk

[buggyone]

"Repitition no matter what sounds like an oh so familiar tactic!"

So is "NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION!"

[Figmo Bohica]

Buggyone, How would this one work for you?

http://www.ldcollett.com/neighbors.jpg

[skyguy79]

True, but not everyone has a fearless feline of Rusty's caliber :)Ut-oh! Remind me to never let my kitty go out on a date with Rusty! :cry:

[graciegirl]

Buggyone, How would this one work for you?

http://www.ldcollett.com/neighbors.jpg
Well ...you sure as heck are gonna get a fine from ARC. No signs allowed in yards without their approval south of 466. ...But maybe they'll approve this one. I haven't seen one like it so far.

[Vinny]

In those cases mentioned, if the homes did not have guns in them - would the situation have occured? Would the wife have stabbed her husband in the shower? Would the suicides have taken place with other means? Would the display of a rolled up pair of dirty socks intimidate someone in a parking lot?

Take guns out of the equation and the situation just might turn out a lot different.

11,439 people died from guns in 2009. That is small compared to so many other things that kill people like cars, shower stalls, alcohol, etc. . Doctors kill over 200,000 people a year. Large numbers for cars and even falls in shower stalls. Let's ban them all. On average 2500 college students die annually from suicide and alcohol abuse. 10-12 die from gunshots. A perfect example of an uninformed society finding it easier to focus on guns rather than the much bigger issues and causes of death.

England took guns out of the equation and then tried to take out knves as evil people simply switched to them. Next they will be outlawing axes and then rocks. Humans have killed a lot more people before the invention of guns then after. Guns may make it a little easier but they do not get rid of bad intentions, only the methods used o carry them out.

If anyone cannot spot at least one drunk person per night in the Town Squares they are a perfect example of wearing blinders. TV has a drinking culture similar to most vacation spots. It is naive to think that not one person per night gets drunk in the town squares. Of course, the drinkers I know define drunk differently than I do. Apparently slurred speech and hanging all over people is not drunk.


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[buggyone]

Vinny, nowhere have I said guns should be banned. I have said it is ridiculous to carry a concealed gun in The Villages. I have also said that the only gun crimes I know about in 2.5 years in The Villages have been committed by people with concealed gun licenses or at a private home where a gun was kept by the owner. There was also a suicide by gunshot and I assume it was a gun kept in the home.

Vinny, in an earlier post you had stated "... yet have to put up with drunks at the Town Squares whenever I go there at night." I do not know to what extent you "have to put up with drunks" and in your last post you had toned it down to seeing at least one drunk person at the Town Squares. Big difference between the sound of the two situations. Your first one makes it sound as though this is Spring Break at South Padre Island and the second sounds like Uncle Henry at the family reunion. Sure, there will a a few people who are tipsy. I have never seen a falling down drunk in The Villages - although I am sure it has happened. Neither here nor there about guns, though, unless the tipsy person has a gun!

If a person wants a gun in their own home - that is fine with me. If they are licensed to carry a concealed gun - that is fine with me as long as they do not display it in my presence or carry it in a prohibited place - but I think it is ridiculous to carry in The Villages.

No problem with Figmo or RichieLion poking a little fun with their signs. I know it is in the spirit of fun.

[billethkid]

"If a person wants a gun in their own home - that is fine with me. If they are licensed to carry a concealed gun - that is fine with me as long as they do not display it in my presence or carry it in a prohibited place - but I think it is ridiculous to carry in The Villages."

Those with permits do not "display" in anybody's presence.
Those with permits do not carry in prohibited places.
These comments exemplify lack of knowledge what the real permitted people know, do, don't do.

Just as police do not make a distinction of where to carry their weapon, folks with permits do not go through a process of well let me see I will be in TV so I can leave it home. Or I will be in Miami I better take it.

The old wives tales about people showing guns or taking them in places not allowed are non gun people sucking up the propaganda of the anti gun crowd.

What seems to be lacking in far too many folks loose understanding about gun ownership and concealed permitting or not is the fact there is more common sense to responsible gun ownership and concealed weapons permitting than the bias would seem to allow.

The other obvious trend is for these same people to completely ignore the statistics on the safety and prevention that in fact does come within a society that allows lawful ownership and carrying of weapons.

No intent ever meant to convince anybody to like or favor guns, gun ownership or any related subject matter. Just recognize the difference between opinion, bias and reality.....and what one does not know about the gun ownership community within the United States.

btk

[buggyone]

If BTK reads the Daily Sun, he will certainly recall a couple of weeks ago when a man displayed his gun openly (raised his shirt to show the gun) when he was in an arguement in a parking lot up by the bowling alley in Spanish Springs. That man was arrested on assault with a deadly weapon.

If BTK remembers about at Christmas time, another open display (jacket pulled wide open to show the gun) during an agruement over a parking space up by Cody's at Lake Sumter Landing. That man was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

Both of these hotheads had CCW permits. BTK's statement of: "Those with permits do not "display" in anybody's presence.
Those with permits do not carry in prohibited places.
These comments exemplify lack of knowledge what the real permitted people know, do, don't do" does not hold water. Sorry BTK.

BTK further went on to say, "Just as police do not make a distinction of where to carry their weapon, folks with permits do not go through a process of well let me see I will be in TV so I can leave it home. Or I will be in Miami I better take it." Well, BTK, you (or George Zimmerman) are NOT police officers. Why not say you will be in The Villages so I can leave the gun at home? You are going to be safe at the town squares during the entertainment.

[Figmo Bohica]

Just in case none of you, which I believe you have not, read the statute on Florida's CWL (Concealed Weapons License).

To obtain one here in Florida you do not need to take a class, have any training, do anything at all, except have been issued a DD 214 from the military, taken a hunter safety class (where you need not fire a shot or even show that you know how to handle a firearm) or take a class from a NRA instructor who just wants to make a few bucks and then you can send it in for your permit. The classes at the gun shows are a joke. All they are after is your $$$$$$. Not knowning the law can get you in lots of trouble. Expecially here in Florida, which is not an open carry state, but is an open carry light state. Go read the statute, you will save yourself some embarrassment and a law suit.

Buggyone, for you information, you can see my concealed firearm all that you want, anytime that you want and as long as I don't present it in a threatening manner, you can only look at it and wish that you could not see it. If you should see it through my shirt, that's called imprinting, it is not against the law. Might make you nervious, but ole well, to bad, live with it. The jerks who showed their firearm in your examples above, offered it in a threatening manner and that is a 3d degree felony with the maximum sentence of 5 years. Florida mostly gives 3 years for that offense, just showing it in a threatening manner, and that is without good time or anything else that will take away from the 36 months. You do it all, then end up with a felony and lose all your rights to have any firearm. Draw it and wave it round, then figure on the whole 60 months.

One thing that Buggyone did point out, and I have been doing this for 40 plus years, is that there are some wanna bes out there. What's a wanna be, you ask? Well that is someone who wants to be a police officer, but can not cut the mustard, so they either become armed security guards or get a CWL. Then look for trouble. Most find it and some will end up in prison for being stupid in a No Stupid Zone.

So in closing, I can NOT fix STUPID, but I can cure ignorance, go take a class from a GOOD CWL instruction and stay away from the gun show or farmers market idiots. They only want you money.

Y'all have a nice day now, I just got back from a really fun 3 gun shoot.

[janmcn]

Just in case none of you, which I believe you have not, read the statute on Florida's CWL (Concealed Weapons License).

To obtain one here in Florida you do not need to take a class, have any training, do anything at all, except have been issued a DD 214 from the military, taken a hunter safety class (where you need not fire a shot or even show that you know how to handle a firearm) or take a class from a NRA instructor who just wants to make a few bucks and then you can send it in for your permit. The classes at the gun shows are a joke. All they are after is your $$$$$$. Not knowning the law can get you in lots of trouble. Expecially here in Florida, which is not an open carry state, but is an open carry light state. Go read the statute, you will save yourself some embarrassment and a law suit.

Buggyone, for you information, you can see my concealed firearm all that you want, anytime that you want and as long as I don't present it in a threatening manner, you can only look at it and wish that you could not see it. If you should see it through my shirt, that's called imprinting, it is not against the law. Might make you nervious, but ole well, to bad, live with it. The jerks who showed their firearm in your examples above, offered it in a threatening manner and that is a 3d degree felony with the maximum sentence of 5 years. Florida mostly gives 3 years for that offense, just showing it in a threatening manner, and that is without good time or anything else that will take away from the 36 months. You do it all, then end up with a felony and lose all your rights to have any firearm. Draw it and wave it round, then figure on the whole 60 months.

One thing that Buggyone did point out, and I have been doing this for 40 plus years, is that there are some wanna bes out there. What's a wanna be, you ask? Well that is someone who wants to be a police officer, but can not cut the mustard, so they either become armed security guards or get a CWL. Then look for trouble. Most find it and some will end up in prison for being stupid in a No Stupid Zone.

So in closing, I can NOT fix STUPID, but I can cure ignorance, go take a class from a GOOD CWL instruction and stay away from the gun show or farmers market idiots. They only want you money.

Y'all have a nice day now, I just got back from a really fun 3 gun shoot.

So under Florida's stand your ground law, if you shoot and kill the person you can be home in time for dinner, but if you show your firearm in a threatening manner you would serve 36 months.

[Figmo Bohica]

So under Florida's stand your ground law, if you shoot and kill the person you can be home in time for dinner, but if you show your firearm in a threatening manner you would serve 36 months.

You need to get educated on the laws in Florida. That is not what I said. The "Stand Your Ground" law has specific things that have to happen before you can claim self defense.

With what is happening right now, it will take a court and jury to decide if "Stand Your Ground" applies. He was told not to follow the individual and if that is true and he stopped and Martin attacked him then it might apply, otherwise maybe not. But no one knows for sure what happened so until that is all that is sort out, it is best not to second guess what the out come will be.

I still say and teach all my students that the best defense is your cell phone and to be aware of your surrounds so that you don't get into a situation, if at all possible, where you will be required to "Stand Your Ground," and be forced to use deadly force.

Home invasions are different. If someone is breaking into your home and they know that you are home, they are not bringing you Easter eggs and a warm greeting. Defend your home, but when in public, be aware and avoid trouble, even if you have to cross the street. Using deadly force on someone is a life changing event. One that you will not like.

[Figmo Bohica]

paulandjean, you are right. Don't think that most ever had a fight in their life. If everyone I ever had a fight with shot me, I would have more lead in me that a lead mine. Sure glad that back in our days, you had a fight, shook hands and got back to playing. Same as if you spank your child now a days, why my mother would have been serving life. I always say my mom had the fastest hands in the west, smart mouth her, she could be peeling spuds, fatten you lip before you knew what happened and never miss a stroke with that peeler.

[Moderator]

Please try to stay on topic about generally carrying firearms in FL.

There are separate threads about the Trayvon Martin case...please post your related comments there.

10 recent posts related to Martin/Zimmerman have been moved to the "Trayvon Martin" thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[skyguy79]

Please try to stay on topic about generally carrying firearms in FL.

There are separate threads about the Trayvon Martin case...please post your related comments there.

10 recent posts related to Martin/Zimmerman have been moved to the "Trayvon Martin" thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.As the original poster who started this thread, I requested that this thread be closed. Instead of closing this thread as I was requesting, my post indicating I was requesting the closing was one of the ones that got deleted! Why wasn't my request honored like it has been for others who have requested closing of their threads? :confused:

[billethkid]

my last post, related to concealed weapons carry was a commentary on buggyones response to my prior post also on concealed weapons carry.

btk

[billethkid]

I agree with skyguy the thread needs to be closed it has deteriorated to tit for tat nonsesense.

btk

[RichieLion]

As the original poster who started this thread, I requested that this thread be closed. Instead of closing this thread as I was requesting, my post indicating I was requesting the closing was one of the ones that got deleted! Why wasn't my request honored like it has been for others who have requested closing of their threads? :confused:

Why would you be asking that. Maybe the thread has moved beyond your original purpose, but that doesn't make it irrelevant.

Instead of campaigning for it's cessation, why not just ignore the conversation that you're no longer interested in, even if you started it. Isn't that what you would do at a party; just move on to another group?

Just a thought.

[skyguy79]

Why would you be asking that. Maybe the thread has moved beyond your original purpose, but that doesn't make it irrelevant.

Instead of campaigning for it's cessation, why not just ignore the conversation that you're no longer interested in, even if you started it. Isn't that what you would do at a party; just move on to another group?

Just a thought.Richie, I explained my reason for requesting the closing of the thread, but he Moderator decided to delete it along with most of the out of topic posts and I don't care to discuss it any further. If what was being discussed is relevant, then as things stand now it can continue or a new thread can be started if this one gets closed as I requested!

[buggyone]

Like Richie said you can contribute to the thread or just let it go. Personally, I think that it has probably run it's course but if Richie or Figmo want to put their two cents in on their second amendment right, I have no problem with that.

With that, I would just like to ask either of them - or anyone else - if they think it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol while in The Villages?

What makes you personally feel it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages?

[Jack88]

What makes you personally feel it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages?

What makes you personally feel it isn't necessary to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages?

[RichieLion]

Like Richie said you can contribute to the thread or just let it go. Personally, I think that it has probably run it's course but if Richie or Figmo want to put their two cents in on their second amendment right, I have no problem with that.

With that, I would just like to ask either of them - or anyone else - if they think it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol while in The Villages?

What makes you personally feel it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages?

I don't have an opinion on right to carry in The Villages. But, I've met Figmo and if anyone is going to carry in The Villages, Figmo is the last person I would worry about. No one is more diligent than Figmo is the promotion of safety in the handling of arms.

If you would take lessons from Figmo in the proper handling and safeguarding of the weapons you own, I would have no problem in you carrying either.

It's all in the training.

[Figmo Bohica]

Thank you Richielion, like I always try to get across, your best line of protection is avoidance, deterance and then when you have to draw, it should be your cell phone,. Let the professionals (police officers) handle the situation and you should be the best witness that you can to the situation your are observing.

[buggyone]

I don't have an opinion on right to carry in The Villages. But, I've met Figmo and if anyone is going to carry in The Villages, Figmo is the last person I would worry about. No one is more diligent than Figmo is the promotion of safety in the handling of arms.

If you would take lessons from Figmo in the proper handling and safeguarding of the weapons you own, I would have no problem in you carrying either.

It's all in the training.

Richie, I did not question the RIGHT to carry a concealed weapon in The Villages. I asked for reasons that someone feels it is necessary to carry a concealed weapon in The Villages.

Your post was very good about Figmo and I am looking forward to meeting him. His posts about usage of guns even though you have a license are excellent.

[Figmo Bohica]

buggyone, when we are sitting down having a cold one, I will explain to you why it is necessary to carry at all times if that is how you feel. I for one never let anyone know when I am carrying or not. It is called a concealed weapon for a reason and I keep that in mind. But I will tell you how to tell if I am carrying or not. Deal??????

[red tail]

buggyone, when we are sitting down having a cold one, I will explain to you why it is necessary to carry at all times if that is how you feel. I for one never let anyone know when I am carrying or not. It is called a concealed weapon for a reason and I keep that in mind. But I will tell you how to tell if I am carrying or not. Deal??????

ive played poker with figmo and didnt know if he was carrying or not. furthermore i didnt care. all i was concerned about was what cards he was concealing!

[memason]

ive played poker with figmo and didnt know if he was carrying or not. furthermore i didnt care. all i was concerned about was what cards he was concealing!

ha ha....that conjures up visions of "The Gambler"... Everyone's guns on the table, if you please....

[buggyone]

Figmo,

I really do not care if you are "packing heat" or not. That is your right to do so if you have a CCL. It would be an honor to meet you and your wife sometime.

Give me an PM and we can set up a time for some drinks and dinner here in this wonderful place we call The Villages.