Zimmerman prosecution looking incompetent.

[RichieLion]

Noted defense attorney and Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz, blasts the prosecution team on the Zimmerman murder trial of having evidence “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

Further, he said if the prosecution had access to the newly released photo showing the bloodied head of Zimmerman and didn’t mention it in the affidavit, that would constitute a “grave ethical violation,” since affidavits are supposed to contain “all relevant information.” He said it borders on perjury, as suppressing "an important part of the truth is a lie".

Why would the State of Florida presenting a case that may make them look very stupid with the whole country watching? It doesn't seem the state is playing by the rules.

Dershowitz Blasts Zimmerman Prosecution: 'Not Only Immoral, But Stupid' (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/20/Dershowitz-prosecution-immoral)

[jblum315]

I don't know. They did exactly the same thing with Casey Anthony.

[Barefoot]

Noted defense attorney and Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz, blasts the prosecution team on the Zimmerman murder trial of having evidence “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

Further, he said if the prosecution had access to the newly released photo Dershowitz Blasts Zimmerman Prosecution: 'Not Only Immoral, But Stupid' (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/20/Dershowitz-prosecution-immoral)

The Prosecution Team looked weak today, and made a few blunders. But it was a bond hearing, not a trial.

[l2ridehd]

Maybe that is why they did not arrest him for so long. They probably didn't have enough evidence to make it stick. They only arrested him when they did due to public pressure. My guess is he will walk on the charges based on what I have seen so far. But then he has a price on his head that someone will go after.

[Posh 08]

I don't know. They did exactly the same thing with Casey Anthony.

:agree:

[ceejay]

That picture was worth a thousand words and, IMHO, will be the downfall of the prosecution.

[rjn5656]

I agree. Charges were pressed due to political pressure.

[Posh 08]

I agree. Charges were pressed due to political pressure.

The host of an MSNBC show making news by fanning the flames.

[Taltarzac725]

Noted defense attorney and Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz, blasts the prosecution team on the Zimmerman murder trial of having evidence “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

Further, he said if the prosecution had access to the newly released photo showing the bloodied head of Zimmerman and didn’t mention it in the affidavit, that would constitute a “grave ethical violation,” since affidavits are supposed to contain “all relevant information.” He said it borders on perjury, as suppressing "an important part of the truth is a lie".

Why would the State of Florida presenting a case that may make them look very stupid with the whole country watching? It doesn't seem the state is playing by the rules.

Dershowitz Blasts Zimmerman Prosecution: 'Not Only Immoral, But Stupid' (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/20/Dershowitz-prosecution-immoral)

Let's wait until we get all the facts before rushing to judgment about either George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0403/George-Zimmerman-head-wound-gives-little-clarity-to-Trayvon-Martin-case

"A wound on the head could be consistent with Zimmerman's story of being attacked after losing sight of Martin and heading on foot back toward his vehicle. But if Zimmerman instigated the confrontation, an injury would also be consistent with Trayvon struggling to defend himself, says Gary Kleck, a criminologist and gun-crime expert at Florida State University in Tallahassee." From above linked article from the CSMonitor. This is from April 3, 2012.

[paulandjean]

Remember,no charges were filed for weeks and weeks with Sanford where people were hoping that this would just go away. They were just going to bury this and move on. what a shame. When the "People " spoke up finally they got some action.Very glad high profile people got involved.

[paulandjean]

Do not beleive the pictures of blood on his head. Lets see medical from fire department rescue team. Getting out of police car nothing.Did not seek medical attention.The new pictures "Doctored"

[Taltarzac725]

Do not beleive the pictures of blood on his head. Lets see medical from fire department rescue team. Getting out of police car nothing.Did not seek medical attention.The new pictures "Doctored"

The picture could be something taken by a neighbor and then sold to the media for a lot of money. I find it suspicious that only ABC got this picture. Head wounds bleed quite a bit too but are quickly fixed up if superficial. Zimmerman's wounds do look like they were superficial judging from the video at the police station taken just 30 minutes or so after the fight.

It does not look "doctored" to me more like someone kept some information they had away from the prosecution team and then sold it to the media for big bucks. http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-tells-trayvon-martins-parents/story?id=16177849

"The person who took the photograph of a bloodied Zimmerman, asking not to be identified, told ABC News exclusively that they did not see the scuffle that night, but did hear it. The person recalled seeing Martin's prostrate body on the wet grass and said the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie were clearly visible." From above linked abcnews.go.com article.

[bkcunningham1]

Do not beleive the pictures of blood on his head. Lets see medical from fire department rescue team. Getting out of police car nothing.Did not seek medical attention.The new pictures "Doctored"


Are you saying the photos of Zimmerman's head are doctored? Your post isn't really coherent so I'm not sure if that is what you are saying.

[renrod]

If the sun is out; take a walk, go for a bike ride, play golf, bocce, shuffle board, sit on the patio, pull some weeds, trim your hedges, wash the golf cart and your car, turn on some music. Life is too short. :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[Irish Rover]

I think the state is playing to the press, the mob, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. Change the law so "stand your ground" won't be a factor in the future.

[Taltarzac725]

I think the state is playing to the press, the mob, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. Change the law so "stand your ground" won't be a factor in the future.

Depends on which media. Some seem to be very heavily favoring Zimmerman while others are very much on the side of Trayvon Martin.

[buggyone]

Zimmerman may be guilty or may be innocent. I am not going to speculate one way or another.

The main question is whether or not Zimmerman would be in this predicament if he had obeyed the police operator and not followed Martin? Answer is: NO.

Guilty of murder? I don't know? Guilty of stupidity? YES.

Will his life or his parent's lives ever be the same again? NO.

[Bucco]

Are you saying the photos of Zimmerman's head are doctored? Your post isn't really coherent so I'm not sure if that is what you are saying.

Perhaps like NBC doctored the tapes ?????? These folks should REPORT the news and stop trying to create the news.

[bkcunningham1]

There is a murder case in Florida, in Brevard County, that I'm wondering if anyone else has followed. I wonder why this case hasn't been a campaign for those who took up the Trayvon Martin cause. Not to demean Martin by any stretch. Just trying to understand why one case can become a cause and another, which is just as tragic and sad, isn't mentioned.

"Friends and family huddled alongside crime scene tape in south Melbourne early Thursday wondering who would kill a man known as 'Peanut.'

"Police, responding to a report of gunshots being fired about 5 a.m., found Henry Lee Montgomery, 48, dead at his home in the 2800 block of Colbert Circle, according to Sgt. Trevor Shaffer, a spokesman for Melbourne Police Department.

“ 'He would help anybody,' Montgomery’s brother, Cliff Cain, said. 'For somebody to mess with him over like that … Most anybody around here, he had helped.'

"The fatal incident came after a series of shootings nearby. There have been at least three other shootings, which wounded two people, in the area since April 7.

"The Powell Subdivision Neighborhood Watch, which had a regular meeting Thursday night, discussed the topic with local police.

"Melbourne and Palm Bay police officers reported good news: They had identified the juveniles responsible for the three earlier shootings. However, the victims did not want to prosecute and there wasn't much more police could do in those cases...."



http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20120420/NEWS01/304200019/Melbourne-neighborhood-torn-up-over-string-of-shootings?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Cimg%7CFRONTP AGE

[manaboutown]

The pressure was on to charge Zimmerman due to the disinformation such as the doctored 911 tape created by the main stream media. The fire was fuled by the usual cast of racial agitators, Jackson, Sharpton and the like. Perhaps the state decided to prosecute to avert riots and the consequences of such. Too, Zimmerman's life was and is in danger. Some very bad people are out for his head.

[buggyone]

bkcunningham wondered, "There is a murder case in Florida, in Brevard County, that I'm wondering if anyone else has followed. I wonder why this case hasn't been a campaign for those who took up the Trayvon Martin cause."

The police in the Brevard County murder do not have a suspect. The Trayvon Martin shooting was an admitted killing by Zimmerman. The two cases are not at all the same.

The Brevard County police say they are looking for a murder suspect. What more can be done?

[paulandjean]

Who are the very bad people out for his head???

[CMANN]

Depends on which media. Some seem to be very heavily favoring Zimmerman while others are very much on the side of Trayvon Martin.

The news media that seem to favor Zimmerman (ABC) are reporting the facts in the case. Those anti Zimmerman (NBC/MSNBC) are hyping up the story with hate speech and race baiting.

[CMANN]

Zimmerman may be guilty or may be innocent. I am not going to speculate one way or another.

The main question is whether or not Zimmerman would be in this predicament if he had obeyed the police operator and not followed Martin? Answer is: NO.

Guilty of murder? I don't know? Guilty of stupidity? YES.

Will his life or his parent's lives ever be the same again? NO.

Guitly of defending himself from an attack by a minority? New crime: Self-defense while white.

[Taltarzac725]

The news media that seem to favor Zimmerman (ABC) are reporting the facts in the case. Those anti Zimmerman (NBC/MSNBC) are hyping up the story with hate speech and race baiting.

It just looks to me though that ABC scooped the other channels by getting a picture taken by someone who heard the Zimmerman/Martin fight. Someone though who obstructed justice by not giving this picture to the investigators. Otherwise, this picture would have showed up a lot sooner in the media.

This is a question more of money than facts. Money given to the witness of the fight by ABC.

It is mostly the far right media that is defending Zimmerman not so much NBC/MSNBC, CBS, etc.

[CMANN]

It just looks to me though that ABC scooped the other channels by getting a picture taken by someone who heard the Zimmerman/Martin fight. Someone though who obstructed justice by not giving this picture to the investigators. Otherwise, this picture would have showed up a lot sooner in the media.

This is a question more of money than facts. Money given to the witness of the fight from ABC.

It is not just that picture. ABC has been reporting on the facts in the case as they are known and keeping opinion seperate.

[Bogie Shooter]

Who are the very bad people out for his head???

The new black panther's.

[CMANN]

After everything I have seen and heard I sincerely believe that Zimmerman was arrested contrary to Florida law. The purpose of the stand your ground law is to provide production to the defender in the event that there is no evidence of wrongdoing on his part. The police at the scene with the exception of one believed that Zimmerman had acted in self-defense and that the evidence showed that to be true. In addition at the time there was no evidence contrary to Zimmerman self-defense claim. The only time that it was considered any evidence of wrongdoing was after racial pressure from the race baiters Of the United States. This section is in direct contradiction to the Florida law, in my opinion.

Let's hope that we do not have a reverse of Casey Anthony case.

[janmcn]

George Zimmerman looked like he is about five feet tall standing next to his attorney. Perhaps that's why he felt a need to carry a Glock 9mm, to make up for his other inadequacies.

[manaboutown]

Guitly of defending himself from an attack by a minority? New crime: Self-defense while white.

Actually George Zimmerman is of mixed race.

By the way, Zimmerman's mother noted that her son worked with two black children as part of a mentoring program in a dangerous area. When she asked him why he did it he told her "If I don't do it they don't have nobody."

[manaboutown]

George Zimmerman looked like he is about five feet tall standing next to his attorney. Perhaps that's why he felt a need to carry a Glock 9mm, to make up for his other inadequacies.

It wasn't a Glock. It was a Kel-Tec PF-9. According to his father George is a bout 5'9" tall. I try to stay with the facts.

[RichieLion]

A family member who was a NYC Court reporter for many many years and now retired, used to work in The Bronx courts. She once told me that in NYC when a white is charged with a crime against a blacks it's seen in racist colors, but when a black is charged with a crime against whites, it's robbery.

A observation from one in the trenches.

[billethkid]

too many people have been race baited by Sharpton, and those like him trying to get an emotional judgement with no facts other than ....but he was black!!!

I am amused how fickle and sheep like people can be when they have absolutely no idea what so ever about what they are talking about.

If you or any of the others Sharpton, et al, the media and all the other hypsters....ya just do not know what yer talking about. Entitled to your opinion of course. Know what you are talking about....UH-UH!!!

btk

[Taltarzac725]

too many people have been race baited by Sharpton, and those like him trying to get an emotional judgement with no facts other than ....but he was black!!!

I am amused how fickle and sheep like people can be when they have absolutely no idea what so ever about what they are talking about.

If you or any of the others Sharpton, et al, the media and all the other hypsters....ya just do not know what yer talking about. Entitled to your opinion of course. Know what you are talking about....UH-UH!!!

btk

More Ann Coulter inspired attacks on the "mob" mentality of liberals??

Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin)

Except that an individual's political affiliation seems to have impacted just which shepherd to follow--

"The Project for Excellence in Journalism has reported that media coverage of the Trayvon Martin case became the first story in 2012 to be featured more than the presidential race. According to the Project, the varying types of media have focused on the case in different ways. An article in the Tampa Bay Times wrote that, 'on Twitter, people are outraged at Zimmerman and want justice, while on cable news and talk radio people are discussing the state's laws for self-defense and gun control and on blogs the focus has been on race.'"

[dillywho]

Zimmerman seems to have a problem sticking to one story. On one of the tapes he said that Trayvon turned and started toward him. That's not jumping him from behind as he now claims. Yesterday, he contradicted himself by saying that he didn't know him and thought Martin was closer to his age (he's 28)...on the tape he told the dispatcher that it was a teen in his late teens, which is what he turned out to be.

As for the "profuse" bleeding on his head from being bashed on concrete repeatedly, why has blood on the concrete not been mentioned by either side? Did the police even check to see if there was any there? It doesn't take time for a fight to be over for a head wound to start bleeding.

I don't understand why they would take one person's word for what happened before a complete investigation when the other one is dead and cannot speak for himself. One of the officers that night said that his stories didn't add up about what went down. The detective testifying yesterday when asked specifically did say that he didn't think Zimmerman had been truthful about it all.

Just because it has since been revealed that Martin had previously been in trouble, doesn't justify Zimmerman's actions that night. He did not know Martin, much less anything about him, assumed he was "on drugs or something" (his words), assumed he was up to no good because he was someone he didn't know and prejudged him on appearance, classed him by calling him a curse name (not a racial slur), and was upset when Martin tried to get away from him. Could it not be that Martin was afraid because someone he didn't know was following him and ran?

[Taltarzac725]

Zimmerman seems to have a problem sticking to one story. On one of the tapes he said that Trayvon turned and started toward him. That's not jumping him from behind as he now claims. Yesterday, he contradicted himself by saying that he didn't know him and thought Martin was closer to his age (he's 28)...on the tape he told the dispatcher that it was a teen in his late teens, which is what he turned out to be.

As for the "profuse" bleeding on his head from being bashed on concrete repeatedly, why has blood on the concrete not been mentioned by either side? Did the police even check to see if there was any there? It doesn't take time for a fight to be over for a head wound to start bleeding.

I don't understand why they would take one person's word for what happened before a complete investigation when the other one is dead and cannot speak for himself. One of the officers that night said that his stories didn't add up about what went down. The detective testifying yesterday when asked specifically did say that he didn't think Zimmerman had been truthful about it all.

Just because it has since been revealed that Martin had previously been in trouble, doesn't justify Zimmerman's actions that night. He did not know Martin, much less anything about him, assumed he was "on drugs or something" (his words), assumed he was up to no good because he was someone he didn't know and prejudged him on appearance, classed him by calling him a curse name (not a racial slur), and was upset when Martin tried to get away from him. Could it not be that Martin was afraid because someone he didn't know was following him and ran

It looks like Zimmerman's lawyer is trying to clean up the image of Zimmerman in the press before the trial, if it comes to a trial. Now as one of the law professors at the U of MN Law School used to say, it is who can put on the best show for the fact finder in the case. It's basically theater controlled by the judge and the evidence code. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mari-fagel/george-zimmerman-bond-hearing_b_1441261.html

[paulandjean]

Teenager being followed by a man in a truck,then the teenager is being followed by a man on foot, think just about everyone would say what Travon would say,"Do you have a problem".

[paulandjean]

The new black panthers are they the opposite of the new KKK.

[rubicon]

Zimmerman was overcharged by the State. Despite that fact and given the push by Sharpton and company supported by the liberal media Zimmerman will be found guilty. He will be found guilty because every black and liberal organization in the country wants to make an example of Zimmerman and they want to shut down the "stand your ground laws". Keep in mind the sharpton people was so eager for a fight they mischaracterized zimmerman as a white Hispanic . Now they have their cause white guys gunning down innocent black children. Its that simple and that complex as the expression went. Casey Anthony walked because the case was tried by the media and zimmerman will go to jail for the same reason. Apparently due process doesn't matter anymore. People just like
to watch train wrecks which explains why reality shows sell so well.

Martin's attorney said We are going to get justice so that this does notr ever happen again. Well he may want to move his campaign up to chciago and begin with the hundreds and hundreds of black kids killing each other.

But the kicker is we are going to hear about this case 24/7 for months upon months by every TV, radio station blg, newspaper, etc just as we had with Michael Jackson, Casey Anthony, Kim Kardashian, Whitney Houston, etc etc etc

[Taltarzac725]

Zimmerman was overcharged by the State. Despite that fact and given the push by Sharpton and company supported by the liberal media Zimmerman will be found guilty. He will be found guilty because every black and liberal organization in the country wants to make an example of Zimmerman and they want to shut down the "stand your ground laws". Keep in mind the sharpton people was so eager for a fight they mischaracterized zimmerman as a white Hispanic . Now they have their cause white guys gunning down innocent black children. Its that simple and that complex as the expression went. Casey Anthony walked because the case was tried by the media and zimmerman will go to jail for the same reason. Apparently due process doesn't matter anymore. People just like
to watch train wrecks which explains why reality shows sell so well.

Martin's attorney said We are going to get justice so that this does notr ever happen again. Well he may want to move his campaign up to chciago and begin with the hundreds and hundreds of black kids killing each other.

But the kicker is we are going to hear about this case 24/7 for months upon months by every TV, radio station blg, newspaper, etc just as we had with Michael Jackson, Casey Anthony, Kim Kardashian, Whitney Houston, etc etc etc

Zimmerman has not been even tried yet. Let the facts come out and a judge and jury determine his guilt or innocence. That seems to be the point of most of the cries for justice. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/trayvon-martin-case-new-p_n_1440283.html?flv=1

[Posh 08]

I don't think it is a secret that charge high and plead lower is a common tactic. If this is litigated I'll buy a round.

[janmcn]

It wasn't a Glock. It was a Kel-Tec PF-9. According to his father George is a bout 5'9" tall. I try to stay with the facts.

George's father also said that George is an easy going guy who just turns the other cheek. Mark O'Mara must be seven feet tall because he looked a foot taller than George.

It looks like Judge Lester and Mark O'Mara are throwing Zimmerman to the wolves. How long is he going to be able to stay hidden without his Kel-Tec PF-9? He said in court he has no money, and the police are under no obligation to protect him anymore than they would anyone else. If he needs protection, he'll have to pay for it.

[Taltarzac725]

I don't think it is a secret that charge high and plead lower is a common tactic. If this is litigated I'll buy a round.

It will be quite a chore keeping things calm if the judge rules that there is not enough of a case against George Zimmerman to go to trial.

Findlaw on Mark O'Mara--
http://blogs.findlaw.com/strategist/2012/04/defending-george-zimmerman-who-is-mark-omara.html
Findlaw on Angela Corey--
http://blogs.findlaw.com/strategist/2012/04/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-is-a-tough-prosecutor-politician.html

[Posh 08]

It will be quite a chore keeping things calm if the judge rules that there is not enough of a case against George Zimmerman to go to trial.

Findlaw on Mark O'Mara--
Defending George Zimmerman: Who is Mark O'Mara? - Law Firm Marketing - Strategist (http://blogs.findlaw.com/strategist/2012/04/defending-george-zimmerman-who-is-mark-omara.html)
Findlaw on Angela Corey--
Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey is One Tough Prosecutor, Politician - Legal Lifestyle - Strategist (http://blogs.findlaw.com/strategist/2012/04/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-is-a-tough-prosecutor-politician.html)

I'm talking plea deal here, not a word about not going to trial. The media would be cheated though.

[manaboutown]

George's father also said that George is an easy going guy who just turns the other cheek. Mark O'Mara must be seven feet tall because he looked a foot taller than George.

It looks like Judge Lester and Mark O'Mara are throwing Zimmerman to the wolves. How long is he going to be able to stay hidden without his Kel-Tec PF-9? He said in court he has no money, and the police are under no obligation to protect him anymore than they would anyone else. If he needs protection, he'll have to pay for it.

If he looked a foot taller than George, O'Mara would appear to be 6'9" tall, not 7'0". In one form or another we taxpayers are paying for Zimmerman's protection, most of the costs of the trial and so on. Thank you mainstream media! If the killing of Martin is found justifiable perhaps Zimmerman will sue NBC and CNN for their misleading reporting and recoup what this is costing him and his family as well as the rest of us in so many ways. Hopefully far costlier fallout from this mess such as riots, other destruction to property and perhaps injuries and killings will be averted by holding this trial. O'Mara is an excellent lawyer and so far he is representing George well. I don't know anything about the judge but I do pray for an impartial and intelligent one.

I just reviewed the wikipedia article and found a section about George's character which backs up what his father has said about him. According to his family some of his relatives are black.

[janmcn]

If he looked a foot taller than George, O'Mara would appear to be 6'9" tall, not 7'0". In one form or another we taxpayers are paying for Zimmerman's protection, most of the costs of the trial and so on. Thank you mainstream media! If the killing of Martin is found justifiable perhaps Zimmerman will sue NBC and CNN for their misleading reporting and recoup what this is costing him and his family as well as the rest of us in so many ways. Hopefully far costlier fallout from this mess such as riots, other destruction to property and perhaps injuries and killings will be averted by holding this trial. O'Mara is an excellent lawyer and so far he is representing George well. I don't know anything about the judge but I do pray for an impartial and intelligent one.

I just reviewed the wikipedia article and found a section about George's character which backs up what his father has said about him. According to his family some of his relatives are black.

The Florida taxpayers will once again pay for his prosecution and his defense, just like we did for Casey Anthony. I don't understand why clients who are indigent get these high priced defense attorneys. Shouldn't they be represented by a public defender?

Zimmerman's past arrest and domestic abuse charge just don't paint a picture of a guy who is laid back and willing to turn the other cheek.

[manaboutown]

The Florida taxpayers will once again pay for his prosecution and his defense, just like we did for Casey Anthony. I don't understand why clients who are indigent get these high priced defense attorneys. Shouldn't they be represented by a public defender?

Zimmerman's past arrest and domestic abuse charge just don't paint a picture of a guy who is laid back and willing to turn the other cheek.

Martin's three suspensions from school, the last one resulting in him being in that gated cummunity at that time, the bag of woman's jewelry and a burglary tool found in his backpack by a school security guard and his facebook record including him bragging about bashing a school bus driver are quite telling about his character or the lack thereof. Hopefully the facts of what actually happened will come out during trial and we will find out what really happened rather than continue to speculate ad nauseum.

[Posh 08]

The Florida taxpayers will once again pay for his prosecution and his defense, just like we did for Casey Anthony. I don't understand why clients who are indigent get these high priced defense attorneys. Shouldn't they be represented by a public defender?

Zimmerman's past arrest and domestic abuse charge just don't paint a picture of a guy who is laid back and willing to turn the other cheek.

I may be off base but perhaps his lawyer took this on for the exposure?

[janmcn]

Martin's three suspensions from school, the last one resulting in him being in that gated cummunity at that time, the bag of woman's jewelry and a burglary tool found in his backpack by a school security guard and his facebook record including him bragging about bashing a school bus driver are quite telling about his character or the lack thereof. Hopefully the facts of what actually happened will come out during trial and we will find out what really happened rather than continue to speculate ad nauseum.

So are you saying Martin was no good and didn't deserve to live? George Zimmerman had no knowledge of Trayvon Martin when he killed him.

NBC News is reporting that Zimmerman is having a hard time raising the bond and won't be released until possibly the middle of next week. They also reported that the trial is probably a year away. That's quite a long time to remain in hiding.

[Posh 08]

So are you saying Martin was no good and didn't deserve to live? George Zimmerman had no knowledge of Trayvon Martin when he killed him.

NBC News is reporting that Zimmerman is having a hard time raising the bond and won't be released until possibly the middle of next week. They also reported that the trial is probably a year away. That's quite a long time to remain in hiding.

"So are you saying Martin was no good and didn't deserve to live?"

Dang that's stretch.

[janmcn]

"So are you saying Martin was no good and didn't deserve to live?"

Dang that's stretch.

Why else would one bring up Trayvon Martin's past?

[manaboutown]

So are you saying Martin was no good and didn't deserve to live? George Zimmerman had no knowledge of Trayvon Martin when he killed him.

NBC News is reporting that Zimmerman is having a hard time raising the bond and won't be released until possibly the middle of next week. They also reported that the trial is probably a year away. That's quite a long time to remain in hiding.

I am saying that based upon Martin's behavioral history he may very well have initiated the physical confrontation with Zimmerman which ended with Martin on top, bashing Zimmerman's head on the pavement relentlessly, Zimmerman calling for help and when no timely assistance appeared, Zimmerman shooting Martin in order to avoid grievous physical injury or even death.

NBC News reporting...the same NBC News that deliberately mislead the public by deleting the operator's question to Zimmerman about Martin's race? I certainly believe little of their "reporting".

[Posh 08]

Why else would one bring up Trayvon Martin's past?

the "didn't deserve to live" troubled me.

[rp001]

It's a case of a wannabe cop/hero sticking his nose into the wrong place one too many times...He was called out, got into a fight and was getting his ass kicked..He pulled a gun and did the kid in..Laws broken? Who knows..

[Posh 08]

It's a case of a wannabe cop/hero sticking his nose into the wrong place one too many times...He was called out, got into a fight and was getting his ass kicked..He pulled a gun and did the kid in..Laws broken? Who knows..

In Virginia, you bet.

[rubicon]

Martin's three suspensions from school, the last one resulting in him being in that gated cummunity at that time, the bag of woman's jewelry and a burglary tool found in his backpack by a school security guard and his facebook record including him bragging about bashing a school bus driver are quite telling about his character or the lack thereof. Hopefully the facts of what actually happened will come out during trial and we will find out what really happened rather than continue to speculate ad nauseum.

Where did this info come from....I apparently missed it but if true satisifies my curosity as to why he was in that subdivision.

[chuckinca]

This issue belongs in a separate section like political.


.

[buggyone]

see below

[buggyone]

Martin had been suspended from school after some marijuana residue was found on him. He was staying with his aunt in Sanford in that gated community at his father's request.

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. The charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.
In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.

So, you see neither was perfect. And yet, Trayvon Martin is dead and George Zimmerman has a ruined life. Both tragic events were avoidable.

[RichieLion]

It's a case of a wannabe cop/hero sticking his nose into the wrong place one too many times...He was called out, got into a fight and was getting his ass kicked..He pulled a gun and did the kid in..Laws broken? Who knows..

In Virginia, you bet.

So in Virginia, if you're getting your head slammed into the sidewalk by an otherwise unarmed assailant, you could not defend yourself with a weapon?

Isn't the concrete sidewalk technically a weapon in a case like this?

[RichieLion]

Why else would one bring up Trayvon Martin's past?

I think the someone who was "bringing up Martin's past" was the family who released 5 year old pictures of him.

If you don't think investigators delve into someone's past in order to establish a possible pattern to behavior, I think you should think again.

You know they're looking into Zimmerman's past with the same motivation.

[CMANN]

Actually George Zimmerman is of mixed race.

By the way, Zimmerman's mother noted that her son worked with two black children as part of a mentoring program in a dangerous area. When she asked him why he did it he told her "If I don't do it they don't have nobody."

That doesn't sound like a racist, to me.

[Patty55]

A family member who was a NYC Court reporter for many many years and now retired, used to work in The Bronx courts. She once told me that in NYC when a white is charged with a crime against a blacks it's seen in racist colors, but when a black is charged with a crime against whites, it's robbery.

A observation from one in the trenches.

I seem to recall Mayor Koch saying that whites being attacked by blacks is called "Getting off at the wrong subway stop".

Maybe the non-New Yorkers need to google Rev Al, Tawana Brawley and while you're at it Sharvod Jones (another "child" out and about).

[paulandjean]

While you are at it,Look up,Years back in Texas,Two men drag a man in a pick-up truck with a chain around his neck.

[Taltarzac725]

So in Virginia, if you're getting your head slammed into the sidewalk by an otherwise unarmed assailant, you could not defend yourself with a weapon?

Isn't the concrete sidewalk technically a weapon in a case like this?

Did Trayvon Martin know Zimmerman had a gun though? When was the gun actually drawn by Zimmerman. How did Zimmerman carry his gun? Holstered? Concealed? In plain view?

Questions that need to be resolved to say whether it was Trayvon Martin who was fighting for his life.

[Advogado]

Having carried a firearm professionally in the past, I would observe that if you are carrying, you do not, unless you are extremely foolish, initiate a knock-down fight. Reason being that you may very well lose control of your weapon. (I will concede that it is possible that Zimmerman may be extremely foolish.)

[Patty55]

While you are at it,Look up,Years back in Texas,Two men drag a man in a pick-up truck with a chain around his neck.

HUH? Obviously you did not do the Google searches I suggested. Two rednecks dragged a man with their pickup, how is that relevant? I am specifically talking alleged racial attacks of "children" attacking law enforcement and being fired up by Rev Al Sharpton.

IMO, Sharpton fired up the Martin family, just as he fired up the Tawana group and Howard Beach. IMO, the Martin family is being "handled", pushed along and will be further destroyed by their own handlers. Forget about being ripped to pieces during cross-examination, these people will not survive depositions. IMO, if the Sharpton group hadn't shown up they would have quietly mourned the loss of their son instead of copyrighting his name.

Again, in my opinion, their son does not deserve to be dead, but he probably should have been in a juvenile detention center.

[Posh 08]

So in Virginia, if you're getting your head slammed into the sidewalk by an otherwise unarmed assailant, you could not defend yourself with a weapon?

Isn't the concrete sidewalk technically a weapon in a case like this?

It would be an interesting case. Being maliciously wounded and unable to retreat ,assailant shot. Can't say for sure how it would play out but I'd bet that it would be investigated thoroughly.

[paulandjean]

"If you are strapped and packing,I think you should be as circumspect as possible. A gun in your pocket and a chip on your shoulder -- good Lord,thats a recipe for disaster.Standing your ground can make"an unnecessary killing a justifiable homicide.

[Patty55]

Justified homicide is not Murder 2.

[paulandjean]

And your point?

[Taltarzac725]

Justified homicide is not Murder 2.

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[dillywho]

It would be an interesting case. Being maliciously wounded and unable to retreat ,assailant shot. Can't say for sure how it would play out but I'd bet that it would be investigated thoroughly.

There are those who might say that I am playing devil's advocate or whatever, but I just like to look at all possible angles. No, I do not know anything for sure but have opinions just like other people do.

You point out "unable to retreat", but my question is:

Is it not possible that Martin was trying to do exactly that, retreat, when Zimmerman went after him when he was following him and he ran? He can be heard saying on the 911 call, "He ran". Maybe if Zimmerman had not gone after him at this point, nothing would have happened to anyone. He had already called it in and given a description as he was supposed to do to summon police. The police could have continued to come out, Martin would still be alive, and Zimmerman would not be in jail.

From what has been reported (assuming, and that's a big assumption, you can believe it), Martin was tested that night for drugs and was clean. If, in fact that is the case, then whatever he had done in the past is moot, as is Zimmerman's past. The only thing that matters for either one is what happened just after 7 o'clock that evening.

[Posh 08]

There are those who might say that I am playing devil's advocate or whatever, but I just like to look at all possible angles. No, I do not know anything for sure but have opinions just like other people do.

You point out "unable to retreat", but my question is:

Is it not possible that Martin was trying to do exactly that, retreat, when Zimmerman went after him when he was following him and he ran? He can be heard saying on the 911 call, "He ran". Maybe if Zimmerman had not gone after him at this point, nothing would have happened to anyone. He had already called it in and given a description as he was supposed to do to summon police. The police could have continued to come out, Martin would still be alive, and Zimmerman would not be in jail.

From what has been reported (assuming, and that's a big assumption, you can believe it), Martin was tested that night for drugs and was clean. If, in fact that is the case, then whatever he had done in the past is moot, as is Zimmerman's past. The only thing that matters for either one is what happened just after 7 o'clock that evening.

I was tossing around a scenario in Virginia which doesn't have "stand your ground"

[Bogie Shooter]

I was tossing around a scenario in Virginia which doesn't have "stand your ground"

What, no NRA lobby in Virginia?

[rubicon]

Imagine all around the country people are blogging back and forth about this case. How does one get a fair trial?

[Posh 08]

What, no NRA lobby in Virginia?

Maybe the General Assembly has a wee bit of sanity remaining or just too busy to get to it. They did fail to act on a budget.

[janmcn]

Imagine all around the country people are blogging back and forth about this case. How does one get a fair trial?

Casey Anthony was the most hated woman in the country last summer and she got a pretty fair trial. After all, she was acquitted of all charges.

[CMANN]

I think the question that needs to be answeredis, "was George Zimmerman justified in firing his weapon." If the answer is yes then the fact that Trayvon Martin died is irrelevant.

Just some thoughts

[DaleMN]

I think the question that needs to be answeredis, "was George Zimmerman justified in firing his weapon." If the answer is yes then the fact that Trayvon Martin died is irrelevant.

Just some thoughts

Gosh, I never thought a human life was ever irrelevant. :(

[CMANN]

Gosh, I never thought a human life was ever irrelevant. :(

Gosh? You want to be arrested and go to trial based on how others feel? Good luck to you.

Facts my friend, FACTS!

[DaleMN]

Gosh? You want to be arrested and go to trial based on how others feel? Good luck to you.

Facts my friend, FACTS!

You miss the point entirely. Why do I even try any more? :confused:

[massapequa girl]

As usual, political pressure was involved in this type of case, but more so the need for "jungle justice" from interlopers from New York. These people have never seen a camera they did not love! Zimmerman will walk because it was self defense.

[Taltarzac725]

As usual, political pressure was involved in this type of case, but more so the need for "jungle justice" from interlopers from New York. These people have never seen a camera they did not love! Zimmerman will walk because it was self defense.

"Jungle justice?"

That would usually mean lion eats zebra, elephant tramples lion, hunter shoots elephant for ivory.

To quote Thomas Hobbes life with such "jungle justice" would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

[chuckinca]

"Jungle justice?"

That would usually mean lion eats zebra, elephant tramples lion, hunter shoots elephant for ivory.

To quote Thomas Hobbes life with such "jungle justice" would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."


Sounds more like Rudyard Kipling's Law of the Jungle.


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[TOTV Team]

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