Zimmerman case probable cause affidavit.

[Taltarzac725]

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/zimmerman-affidavit.pdf

This is a probable cause affidavit which does not give all the facts in the case. It is dated April 11, 2012.

[billethkid]

and will be the prime contributor to Zimmerman perhaps not even going to trial.

Lottsa emotion....very little else...thank GOD does not work in MOST court cases.

He will wind up being aquitted or not tried. Then watch the sparks fly....eh?

btk

[Taltarzac725]

and will be the prime contributor to Zimmerman perhaps not even going to trial.

Lottsa emotion....very little else...thank GOD does not work in MOST court cases.

He will wind up being aquitted or not tried. Then watch the sparks fly....eh?

btk

Not sure why you assert this. Facts have not fully come out as yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

[manaboutown]

The affidavit appears to be quite vacuous, full of interpretative allegations and conclusions rather than actual facts.

[Taltarzac725]

The affidavit appears to be quite vacuous, full of interpretative allegations and conclusions rather than actual facts.

How so?

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/zimmerman-affidavit.pdf

You do not know what the investigators knew and when they knew it.

The wikipedia article has a lot of footnotes to material that would have been available to the investigators up through April 11, 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

[manaboutown]

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/zimmerman-affidavit.pdf

This is a probable cause affidavit which does not give all the facts in the case. It is dated April 11, 2012.

In the Public Response section of the Wikipedia article, last line, a footnote 182 lists many legal experts seeing the affidavit as deficient.

[billethkid]

Thanx to the other contributors answering the question raised to my assertion.

btk

[Taltarzac725]

In the Public Response section of the Wikipedia article, last line, a footnote 182 lists many legal experts seeing the affidavit as deficient.

It is footnote 180. Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin)

It is weak but Dershowitz, for instance, says that many of the probable cause affidavits are weak. Probably because the prosecution does not want to give away its case at this point. A point Redwitch made some ways back in another thread.

The journalist who assembled the legal expert opinions on the Zimmerman probable cause affidavit does look very interesting-- http://www.theagitator.com/

The link to the various legal experts take on the Zimmerman affidavit-- http://www.theagitator.com/2012/04/16/the-zimmerman-indictment-reactions/

[Figmo Bohica]

Case might be really weak, with the 150K bond. Murder 2, and such a low bond, most murder 1 and 2 case are not released from jail and if bail is granted it is usually a substandial amount with lots of zeros attached. Need more information before making any intelligent guess as what will happen in court.

[Taltarzac725]

Case might be really weak, with the 150K bond. Murder 2, and such a low bond, most murder 1 and 2 case are not released from jail and if bail is granted it is usually a substandial amount with lots of zeros attached. Need more information before making any intelligent guess as what will happen in court.

Good post. We will have to wait and see what happens next month with the judge.

The defense may have some surprises as with the Casey Anthony case. They do not really have to go into their case all that much at this stage except for trying to put the defendant in the best possible light.

[Figmo Bohica]

You have that right. It will be interesting to say the least. With all the major media showing the picture of Martin as a 12 year old and Zimmerman as a prisoner in orange jump suit, to many people jumped to conclusions that might not be correct. We will just have to wait and see what is brought out in court. No matter what happens two families are hurting, one lost a son, and one is going thru a life changing event. Not going to end good for either.

[rp001]

We, as a civilized people should find it reprehensible that this even occurred in a "modern" society..No good will come of this and the divide among factions just grows..We should have been over this long ago, and in some cases are still fighting the wars of the 50's...

[rubicon]

Al Sharpton crowd did a good job in making this a racial case and not what it really was an overzealous under educated guy playing cop. With the racial overtones comes a conviction because he has already been tried and sentenced by most of the nations media pundits. If this is incorrect and he is not convicted get ready for the many eruptions.

[paulandjean]

Do not think Al Sharpton made this a racial case,rather george Zimmerman. He is the one talking with the police,profiling,following and giving info to the police because Trayvon is walking home from the store.He had every right to walk thru that complex.He did not commit any crimes.

[janmcn]

ABC News is reporting that there is a hearing Friday morning and Zimmerman will attend. They didn't say what the hearing pertains to.

[rp001]

No common ground to build on? Only completely different opinions without the facts...Where is the remorse for the families involved? Why is this a hateful issue instead of a chance to learn from one another and try and help the future..No one is right here..Everyone should spend time reflecting on these conversations and the hard stances many have taken without compassion shown for the victims and our society as a whole..Is it our age? The fact we are set in our ways? I try every day to learn from others..Some is good and some not so much...As of now, No one and I mean No one knows the real facts..There have been a myriad of opinions and speculation as to what happened...I doubt that we will ever know the facts as they truly exist...The only real fact is there are a couple of families really hurting...And a lot of folks showing their bad sides..

[manaboutown]

The latest George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-prelude-shooting-194235114.html)

[Taltarzac725]

The latest George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-prelude-shooting-194235114.html)

That's interesting but seems rather irrelevant to the issue of exactly what happened in the fight between Zimmerman and Martin.

It explains why Zimmerman was carrying a gun but not exactly why he felt he needed to use it.

Let's just wait and see what the facts in the case are, or least, what the most likely scenario the facts we can get put forth.

[Advogado]

That's interesting but seems rather irrelevant to the issue of exactly what happened in the fight between Zimmerman and Martin.

It explains why Zimmerman was carrying a gun but not exactly why he felt he needed to use it.

Let's just wait and see what the facts in the case are, or least, what the most likely scenario the facts we can get put forth.

Finally, some objective reporting.

[janmcn]

George Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara said in court today that $200,000 has been collected for his defense on his website. The judge is debating whether to raise or revoke his bond.

[manaboutown]

Apparently, Zimmerman's family raised the money on the website unbeknownst to George at the time of his bond hearing. http://news.yahoo.com/judge-considers-adjusting-zimmermans-bond-142526472.html

I found the Reuters background research highly informative. Living in that complex is certainly not for me!

[janmcn]

Apparently, Zimmerman's family raised the money on the website unbeknownst to George at the time of his bond hearing.

I found the Reuters background research highly informative. Living in that complex is certainly not for me!

It's really quite strange that, at last Friday's bond hearing, Zimmerman's family, including his wife, said they had no money. His father even testified he'd have to get a second mortgage on his house to post bond, and a week later $200,000 appears. Mark O'Mara just said on the news that he learned about the money on Wed of this week. This just doesn't pass the smell test.

[manaboutown]

What does not pass the smell test is Zimmerman being arrested on such an inane probable cause affidavit.

[manaboutown]

In the Public Response section of the Wikipedia article, last line, a footnote 182 lists many legal experts seeing the affidavit as deficient.

Now footnote 190.

[paulandjean]

Can you imagine who and where this money came from. Nuts,Kooks and KKK.

[JoeC1947]

Can you imagine who and where this money came from. Nuts,Kooks and KKK.

I guess I should donate something!

[manaboutown]

Can you imagine who and where this money came from. Nuts,Kooks and KKK.

If they are still around I seriously doubt it came from the KKK since Zimmerman is part black. His great grandfather was Afro-Peruvian. Zimmerman was raised in part by this man's daughter, one of Zimmerman's grandmothers.

[dillywho]

It's beginning to sound somewhat like his lawyer is regretting his decision to represent him and says that his credibility has taken a big hit since Zimmerman did know about the money last week at the time of the bond hearing and said nothing. This is what he told a CBS journalist or so the journalist said on the 6:30 news tonight. O'Meara (sp) already said that they may not go with the SYG defense...just self-defense. From that statement, I think he's not totally buying what Zimmerman's selling, just like the first detective didn't. JMHO

In any event, from what he was saying about his costs, pro-bono is not gonna happen. The lawyer has also taken control of the monies now and shut down the website.

[Advogado]

Can you imagine who and where this money came from. Nuts,Kooks and KKK.

What basis do you have for that kind of statement?

[paulandjean]

Yes the KKK is still around.Very bad people.

[paulandjean]

"What basis do you have for that kind of statement" A person would have to be a Idiot to contribute to his defense fund. You would donate money to someone who killed a young teenager.Think many who have donated are white power type of people. Hateful people.

[JoeC1947]

"What basis do you have for that kind of statement" A person would have to be a Idiot to contribute to his defense fund. You would donate money to someone who killed a young teenager.Think many who have donated are white power type of people. Hateful people.

No, you are wrong. A person would have to believe that he is innocent to contribute to his defense. It's obvious that you think he's guilty. Do you know more about the case then everyone else in America? As far as I can tell there's only 2 people that know the truth and one of them is dead.
BTW Zimmerman is not white so I'm sure the KKK would not support him.

[paulandjean]

Sorry "YOU" are wrong.My proof. One teenager dead. Shot and Killed.One man alive hardly a scratch, that must have been I heck of a fight.I do not see race,however seems you do.

[Advogado]

"What basis do you have for that kind of statement" A person would have to be a Idiot to contribute to his defense fund. You would donate money to someone who killed a young teenager.Think many who have donated are white power type of people. Hateful people.

You accused donors of being KKK members. I didn't realize that the KKK supported Hispanic Jews with some negro blood in their background-- like Zimmerman. When will some people realize that race apparently has nothing to do with this matter--except to the extent that racial demagogues, like Sharpton, have made it an issue.

Zimmerman may, or may not have been justified in shooting Martin, but if he was, the fact that Martin was 17 (and not 18, which would have made him an adult) is as irrelevant as his race.

[Taltarzac725]

Zimmerman did shoot and kill Trayvon Martin but whether or not he was justified to do so still has not been proven. He should get a fair trial to determine that one way or another. One way to do that is through donations for his defense.

Doubt if many of the people who did donate to his fund though are racists of any kind.

[paulandjean]

Advogado---- Why do you keep bringing up race? So Trayvon was 17,would it matter differently if he was 15 or 13 or11.

[paulandjean]

Yes I did bring up the KKK, these nuts would love to stick their noses in this mess.Why would anybody in their right mind send money to George Zimmerman defense fund. Quess there are a lot of suckers doing this. Over $200,000 so far. Lots of idiots.

[janmcn]

At least the good taxpayers of Florida won't have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to prosecute and defend Zimmerman like we did in the Casey Anthony case. I say keep the money coming.

[CMANN]

Yes I did bring up the KKK, these nuts would love to stick their noses in this mess.Why would anybody in their right mind send money to George Zimmerman defense fund. Quess there are a lot of suckers doing this. Over $200,000 so far. Lots of idiots.

perhaps they want to see him get justice.

[buggyone]

CMANN,

Is the justice being given a fair trial and found guilty of 2nd degree murder and spending at least 25 years in prison - or being found innocent and probably having to go into hiding for the rest of his life?

Zimmerman is going to have a long, long time to think over what he did no matter which way the verdict comes back - and probably wishes he had stayed away from the situation that preceeded the killing.

[CMANN]

The most pessimistic thing I heard is that if you are the victim of a crime and are forced to defend yourself with deadly force you are in trouble. The criminal would not be in trouble if he lived but you would. What kind of society is it where you have to allow yourself to be robbed or murdered in order to prevent your life from being otherwise destroy. Are you saying that life is that bleak.

If that's your view of the world, you can have it. That kind of a world doesn't seem that it would be worth living in.

[Taltarzac725]

The most pessimistic thing I heard is that if you are the victim of a crime and are forced to defend yourself with deadly force you are in trouble. The criminal would not be in trouble if he lived but you would. What kind of society is it where you have to allow yourself to be robbed or murdered in order to prevent your life from being otherwise destroy. Are you saying that life is that bleak.

If that's your view of the world, you can have it. That kind of a world doesn't seem that it would be worth living in.

It has not been established that Zimmerman was the victim in this. Trayvon Martin is dead from a gunshot from Zimmerman's gun. That makes him the victim on the facts out so far.

George Zimmerman did not get to put his spin on this situation until he got a voice through his lawyer Mark O'Mara.

Trayvon Martin's voice was silenced by the gun in George Zimmerman's hand.

[CMANN]

It has not been established that Zimmerman was the victim in this. Trayvon Martin is dead from a gunshot from Zimmerman's gun. That makes him the victim on the facts out so far.

George Zimmerman did not get to put his spin on this situation until he got a voice through his lawyer Mark O'Mara.

Trayvon Martin's voice was silenced by the gun in George Zimmerman's hand.

Gee, I thought that it had been pretty much established that Zimmerman is a murderer in liberal circles.

[buggyone]

Gee, I thought that it had been pretty much established that Zimmerman is a murderer in liberal circles.


Until a verdict is returned by a jury, Zimmerman is not a murderer. He is a killer - and that cannot be disputed.

There is Zimmerman who is the killer and there is Martin who was killed.

[Taltarzac725]

Gee, I thought that it had been pretty much established that Zimmerman is a murderer in liberal circles.

Zimmerman killed Martin. Not sure if the "murderer" label applies though.

That depends on the jury if it comes to a trial.

[Advogado]

Gee, I thought that it had been pretty much established that Zimmerman is a murderer in liberal circles.
It is not just the "liberal media". Fox News, to a large degree, also bought into the initial propoganda about the incident. I have no opinion about Zimmerman's guilt or innocence since all the facts have not come out, but the media has behaved very irresponsibly in its reporting.

[Patty55]

Legally, this will all boil down to who was the first agressor. Was there sufficient provocation?

For the FLORIDA Legal Definitions....

bLAWg, bLOG, BLAHg (http://blog.richardhornsby.com/)

[CMANN]

Legally, this will all boil down to who was the first agressor. Was there sufficient provocation?

For the FLORIDA Legal Definitions....

bLAWg, bLOG, BLAHg (http://blog.richardhornsby.com/)

Post your link but don't call it Florida law.

[Patty55]

From the previous link....Florida Statute 776.01(2)

776.041 - Use of force by aggressor. - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/776.041)

[JoeC1947]

Yes I did bring up the KKK, these nuts would love to stick their noses in this mess.Why would anybody in their right mind send money to George Zimmerman defense fund. Quess there are a lot of suckers doing this. Over $200,000 so far. Lots of idiots.

The only nuts that stuck their noses in this mess are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. You brought up race when you brought up the KKK.

[paulandjean]

Thanks for Sharpton and Jackson who did not let Sanford sweep this under the rug.Thanks for bringing this injustice to the national audience.Guess me bringing up the KKK struck a nerve with some people.Just the facts.How musch did you contribute to the George Zimmerman Defense Fund? Again said "Lots of Idiots"

[janmcn]

The only nuts that stuck their noses in this mess are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. You brought up race when you brought up the KKK.

If it weren't for Rev Al Sharpton bringing attention to this case, George Zimmerman would still be running around like a ticking time bomb with his loaded gun.

[manaboutown]

Third Employee Fired for Editing George Zimmerma Call | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/third-employee-fired-after-another-edited-george-zimmerman-911-tape-surfaces/)

NBC has yet to issue an on air apology!

[Advogado]

NBC's conduct is merely the most egregious example of the media's distorted and agenda-driven reporting of this matter. Not just NBC, but the media in general should apologize for its actions.

[buggyone]

NBC's conduct is merely the most egregious example of the media's distorted and agenda-driven reporting of this matter. Not just NBC, but the media in general should apologize for its actions.

So should Zimmerman!

[Advogado]

So should Zimmerman!

Not if his story is true.