The "Ann Romneys" of the world: their threat to the statist left

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A very very interesting article expressing thought on how dedicated "stay-at-home to raise their own kids moms" are a threat to the progressive's plans.

These moms are a counterweight to the state, and are subverting the state's control with their school agendas, with their steady loving influences. If you don't reinforce the state's message you must be challenged.

There's much more here than I'm attempting to summarize, so I think you should read this well written article yourself.

Bookworm Room » The real threat that the Ann Romneys of the world represent to the statist Left (http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/04/13/the-real-threat-that-the-ann-romneys-of-the-world-represent/)

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Richie,

I have to say I loved the old pictures in the linked article. Pretty cool, really.

Couple of points, though, I have to make. I do not know who wrote the article and what type of on-line paper the "Bookworm Room" is. I would think that whoever wrote the article and then the publisher would have known basic grammar. It starts out with "stay at home Mom's" and the meaning of the sentence was plural of Mom, which would be Moms. The apostrophe "s" means something is owned by the Mom.

Next, the statement in the article, "And then, of course, there’s just the ordinary bottom feeder obscene ugliness than routinely emanates from the Left. This kind of verbal violence is the Leftist equivalent of the old dictum that, if you have the law, argue the law; if you have the facts, argue the facts; and if you have neither facts nor law, pound the table. If you’re a Leftist, you “pound the table” by calling women the most obscene names possible and threaten them with violence."

I guess by this author's writing that Rush Limbaugh is a Leftist with all the obscene names he called Sandra Fluke.

I really do not recall any Democrat recently calling women by obscene names and threatening them with violence. Can you enlighten me?

I have not heard any Democrat recently saying he/she hates Ann Romney. I am sure many are envious of her wealth and good lifestyle but not to the point of hatred. Ann Romney basically sounds like a very good wife, mother, and all around person to me.

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pure garbage

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OK, I've heard from 2 lefties who don't like the tone of the article. WOW!!!; what a shock!! (It kind of validates it, in a way)

Buggy, if you need me to remind you of the vile things said by liberals like yourself about certain women, I'd be a bit shocked. But that wasn't the gist of the article anyway and it's just more diversion.

I only presented the article for thoughtful comment. I, again, am left with none so far.

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OK, I've heard from 2 lefties who don't like the tone of the article. WOW!!!; what a shock!! (It kind of validates it, in a way)

Buggy, if you need me to remind you of the vile things said by liberals like yourself about certain women, I'd be a bit shocked. But that wasn't the gist of the article anyway and it's just more diversion.

I only presented the article for thoughtful comment. I, again, am left with none so far.

Marie Gottfried: Flap over working, stay at home moms just GOP spin - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/blue/sfl-marie-gottfried-flap-over-working-stay-at-home-moms-just-gop-spin-20120419,0,3431103.story)

"This is nothing more than political strategists’ manufactured, fake controversy publicized by 'news' media that obsesses with feeding the audience entertainment rather than real news." From the South Florida Sun-Sentinel

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Daily Kos: Democrats to introduce WORK Act to give all mothers the same choice Ann Romney had (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/18/1084402/-Democrats-to-introduce-WORK-Act-to-give-all-mothers-the-same-choice-Ann-Romney-had)

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Romney's perceived weakness among women becomes Democrats "War On Women" by Republicans.

Consider: Most major institutions and laws were developed when the country had one wage earners. In 1950 12% of women withc hildren under age six worked, today it is 60%.

Consider a major barrier for working women (families) is the marriage penalty along with child care costs because the tax code is punative as to dual incomes, and that the end of Bush tax cuts exacerbate this problem. Romney is proposing flatter tax code which will offer millions more women "greater choice" and more economic freedom.

Consider the 1938 Fair Labor Standard Act requires workers to complete 40 hours of work before they can earn overtime.. While 81% want overtime they either need or want more flex time to manage work and family issues. However the Democrats fought such changes. Obama's unions oppose any reforms of the 40 hour work week because the status quo gives them complete control in crafting work arrangements.

Consider in 1990 Democrats blocked Republican efforts to let workers negotiate directly with employers their ability to arrange their work schedules.

Consider Social Security is generous to women who lose their husbands or never worked but offer meager aditional benefits for women who have worked their entire lives.

Consider that union driven pensions that reward long service rarely benefit women who move in and out of the workforce

Consider that Obama signed the Lilly Leadbetter Act purporting to eliminate wage discrimination will actually be a litigation bonanza for another of Obama's favorite group trial lawyers (my opinion not WSJ)

WSJ 4/14-15

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OK, I've heard from 2 lefties who don't like the tone of the article. WOW!!!; what a shock!! (It kind of validates it, in a way)

Buggy, if you need me to remind you of the vile things said by liberals like yourself about certain women, I'd be a bit shocked. But that wasn't the gist of the article anyway and it's just more diversion.

I only presented the article for thoughtful comment. I, again, am left with none so far.

Here's some thoughtful comment: pure garbage. :boom:
But since when has not liking the tone of an article indicated validation of said article? That is a ridiculous conclusion. :(

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Anybody who has studied the Mormon religion knows that Ann Romney's choice to stay home was less a lifestyle choice and more a religious one. Mrs. Romney's Mormon faith glorifies motherhood and preaches the need for women to sacrifice their careers.


Why Ann Stayed Home (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/why-ann-stayed-home)

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Anybody who has studied the Mormon religion knows that Ann Romney's choice to stay home was less a lifestyle choice and more a religious one. Mrs. Romney's Mormon faith glorifies motherhood and preaches the need for women to sacrifice their careers.


Why Ann Stayed Home (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/why-ann-stayed-home)

I went to BYU Law School for about 10 days back in 1982. There were perhaps 2 women who were in my Class of 1985 at BYU. I got a scholarship offered to me by BYU for Non-Mormons.

Interestly, the men recent fathers got a break. Law professors would not call on you for the usual first year grilling. They had a baby rule that any one taking care of an infant would be too busy to prepape for class.

Went back to law school at the U of MN in 1986 as a Member of the Class of 1989. The U of MN Law School was at least if not more than 50% women. Very liberal in outlook too. Many of the women with kids had their husbands doing much of the child rearing while they were in law school.

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Do you people ACTUALLY want to go down this religion route ? REALLY ?

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nice to hear about the religious impact on her decision to stay at home.....which to be polite is BS.

As if religion plays that significant a role in people's lives in this day and age.

It makes political cannon fodder and that is about it. And anyway, so what if her decision is based on a religious following? Is that some how supposed to be a weakness? Almost a racist like political jab.

Throwing what ever can be thrown against the wall to see if any sticks. And only weakening the presenter of such political dribble.

btk

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Do you people ACTUALLY want to go down this religion route ? REALLY ?

Not really taking a religion route. I am sure that a Mormon would make a good President of the USA. Mitt Romney has already proved that he is a skilled leader.

The thread is about stay-at-home Moms which I would bet that you still see quite a bit more of in the Mormom faith than within other faiths. http://ldsliving.com/story/68452-ann-romney-stay-at-home-mom-debate-mormons-react http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/ann-romney-stay-at-home-mom-debate-mormons-react/2012/04/13/gIQAJIBmFT_blog.html

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nice to hear about the religious impact on her decision to stay at home.....which to be polite is BS.

As if religion plays that significant a role in people's lives in this day and age.

It makes political cannon fodder and that is about it. And anyway, so what if her decision is based on a religious following? Is that some how supposed to be a weakness? Almost a racist like political jab.

Throwing what ever can be thrown against the wall to see if any sticks. And only weakening the presenter of such political dribble.

btk

Religion plays a very important part of the lives of Mormons. You really are not a Mormon unless you are very much involved in that church. I cannot see how you do not get the importance of religion in some lives? Many of the wars in the Middle East of the past 60 years have a very strong religious component too from those involving the birth of Israel (late 40s) through the ones still going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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OK, I've heard from 2 lefties who don't like the tone of the article. WOW!!!; what a shock!! (It kind of validates it, in a way)

Buggy, if you need me to remind you of the vile things said by liberals like yourself about certain women, I'd be a bit shocked. But that wasn't the gist of the article anyway and it's just more diversion.

I only presented the article for thoughtful comment. I, again, am left with none so far.

So, I am one "leftie" who doesn't like the tone of the article? Go back and read what I posted, Richie.

I first started with what bad grammar the article contained so it obviously was not a scholarly article. You cannot disclaim that fact.

Secondly, I gave a quote from the article about Leftists being the ones who call women obscene names and threaten harm to them. I pointed out that Rush Limbaugh did this with Sandra Fluke and therefore, according to the article, he is a Leftist. (What a joke that would be,)

I have given jibs and jabs to Palin, O'Donnell, Angle, and Bachmann but never have I used obscenities or threatened harm to them.

At the end of my posting, I even commented that I thought Ann Romney seemed to be a fine mother, wife, and person.

Read what I wrote and another ice-cold Yeungling will buy you an apology that is acceptable.

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Daily Kos: Democrats to introduce WORK Act to give all mothers the same choice Ann*Romney*had (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/18/1084402/-Democrats-to-introduce-WORK-Act-to-give-all-mothers-the-same-choice-Ann-Romney-had)

Sounds like a Socialist dream come true. Is anyone else awake out there?

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Here's some thoughtful comment: pure garbage. :boom:
But since when has not liking the tone of an article indicated validation of said article? That is a ridiculous conclusion. :(

Because most all you lefties are knee jerk partisans, and you can't have any thought out there that differs with progressive doctrine.

I just posted a story with very little comment. I knew all the "usual suspects" would continue to pile on Ann Romney and attack the author's conclusions.

You never disappoint.

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Do you people ACTUALLY want to go down this religion route ? REALLY ?

They can't help themselves. Religion is an obstacle to the primacy of the state. Progressives see that as "evil".

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Do you people ACTUALLY want to go down this religion route ? REALLY ?

Posters on this forum had no problem debating President Obama's religion for the past five years.

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Posters on this forum had no problem debating President Obama's religion for the past five years.

He has religion?

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Anybody who has studied the Mormon religion knows that Ann Romney's choice to stay home was less a lifestyle choice and more a religious one. Mrs. Romney's Mormon faith glorifies motherhood and preaches the need for women to sacrifice their careers.


Why Ann Stayed Home (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/why-ann-stayed-home)

Shouldn't motherhood be glorified? Did you like your mother?

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They can't help themselves. Religion is an obstacle to the primacy of the state. Progressives see that as "evil".

I am very uncomfortable going after religion and of course won't do it. If it has to do with anything relative to the position a man or woman is running for, then you "might" want to address it. But on this forum the attacks on religion scare me because I am living near people who actually think that way and that is scary.

I can think of two exceptions....when our country was attacked IN THE NAME of a religion, and the situation with Wright, although that was a limited discussion and only came about as a result of the pastors condemnation of the country.

Other than that...my religion is NONE of your business and your religion is NONE of my business.

In this case, Romney was forced to have a full blown press outing to address the Mormon religion in 2008, and the Obama thing was not about the actual black liberation faith.

It is hard for me to believe that we had two posters go right for the religion thing. Haven't we had enough hate without attacking something so personal. Ann Romney nor Micehlle Obama are running for nothing.....Michelle Obama has pretty much been lleft alone, campaign and time in the WH. The Ann Romney thing is only being discussed because somebody came after her by name.

Lets talk politics....not religion.

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Shouldn't motherhood be glorified? Did you like your mother?

A few tidbits about the website that features this article from Wiki, whom I do not always trust but in a pinch...

"The BuzzFeed homepage consists of a time-sequential list of posts from users and staff members. The content of the posts is usually either a video, image, or link. These posts are the site's attempt to capture the essence of viral media currently resonating on the web. On Fridays, the website hosts a battle, where users are challenged to post the best, most time-wasting Flash game. Other posts are compendiums of memes or images that are all similar to each other in some way. Occasionally there are quizzes, but these posts are infrequent"

"BuzzFeed Labs are an ongoing effort on the part of the BuzzFeed editors to track, test, and to sometimes create viral media. Past efforts have included: attempting to break a beer bottle in half for use as a shiv in a bar fight, citizen journalism investigating a fire on the Manhattan Bridge, and the creation of a giant energy malt liquor drink using a forty ounce beer and a can of Red Bull. These labs are conducted sporadically and have no set release schedule."

Point is this is not a webstie that I, personally, would visit or most certainly use a validation as they are attempting to be "on the edge"

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He has religion?

Think you will see a lot of claims on TOTV that Barack Obama is a Muslim.
snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp)

Many of the other attacks on him are based on connections he has with rather radical Christian African-American leaders. Namely Pastor Jeremiah Wright. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

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Think you will see a lot of claims on TOTV that Barack Obama is a Muslim.
snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp)

Many of the other attacks on him are based on connections he has with rather radical Christian African-American leaders.

Interesting how you like this claim on TOTV, but those on Palin, Bachmann, etc.....they are just fine ?

Or did I just miss your posts on them, Or maybe you just agree

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Interesting how you like this claim on TOTV, but those on Palin, Bachmann, etc.....they are just fine ?

Or did I just miss your posts on them, Or maybe you just agree

Clueless what you mean by this.

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Think you will see a lot of claims on TOTV that Barack Obama is a Muslim.
snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp)

Many of the other attacks on him are based on connections he has with rather radical Christian African-American leaders.

I just said that in a "poking" way, but the President is a statist. The government is his religion. He's in the process of "religious reform" as we speak.

When he speaks to the American people about religion it comes off as very phoney in my view.

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I just said that in a "poking" way, but the President is a statist. The government is his religion. He's in the process of "religious reform" as we speak.

When he speaks to the American people about religion it comes off as very phoney in my view.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Do not know the man Barack Obama all that well never having read any of his books. The Clintons seemed to use religion as another accessory they can take on or off as they please.

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Richie, I enjoyed the article, which I assume is a blog. The writer, although maybe in need of a copy editor to correct grammatical mistakes, has interesting and thought provoking points. Discrediting someone's views because of a misplaced apostrophe is so silly it isn't worth arguing.

Anyway, the point about Isreali kibbutz as a failed experiment is very much like Eleanor Roosevelt's failed social experiment in Authurdale, West Virginia. It has always saddened me to see babies put into government funded daycare. I realize it isn't a choice for some mothers, but it doesn't make it any less disheartening to me. Nor does the fact that women on the left would devalue a woman's choice to not go outside the home to take on extra work.

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Thanks BK. I enjoyed the article also, and thought it was well thought out.

I knew others would only read into it what they wanted, though.

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He has religion?

Yes Richie Obama has a religion. Its called "idealogy" and he kneels to it at every opportunity.:D

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Richie, I enjoyed the article, which I assume is a blog. The writer, although maybe in need of a copy editor to correct grammatical mistakes, has interesting and thought provoking points. Discrediting someone's views because of a misplaced apostrophe is so silly it isn't worth arguing.

Anyway, the point about Isreali kibbutz as a failed experiment is very much like Eleanor Roosevelt's failed social experiment in Authurdale, West Virginia. It has always saddened me to see babies put into government funded daycare. I realize it isn't a choice for some mothers, but it doesn't make it any less disheartening to me. Nor does the fact that women on the left would devalue a woman's choice to not go outside the home to take on extra work.

Gee, if bkcunningham had read my entire posting, she would have been surprised to see that I actually do like Ann Romney and gave her the compliment of being a good mother, good wife, and good person.

She also would have seen how the article made the statement of Leftists calling women obscene names and threatning them with bodily harm. I believe the author of the article had, at that point, called Rush Limbaugh a Leftist for his nationwide obscene name toward Sandra Fluke.

Yes, the author should have used better grammar. I did not discredit the views of the author because of the grammar. I would like bkcunningham to tell me what I said to discredit the views of the author.

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Gee, if bkcunningham had read my entire posting, she would have been surprised to see that I actually do like Ann Romney and gave her the compliment of being a good mother, good wife, and good person.

She also would have seen how the article made the statement of Leftists calling women obscene names and threatning them with bodily harm. I believe the author of the article had, at that point, called Rush Limbaugh a Leftist for his nationwide obscene name toward Sandra Fluke.

Yes, the author should have used better grammar. I did not discredit the views of the author because of the grammar. I would like bkcunningham to tell me what I said to discredit the views of the author.

I certainly cannot speak for BK....she speaks MUCH better than I ever did.

However, I just re read her post and I do not really think that she was speaking of you, in fact, I would bet that you never crossed her mind.