A Repeated Story. Why?

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The below-stated address is a short video on Obama's background. Many will say it is rubbish. Why does this story continue to be repeated? Why are there so many lawsuits to have this information released. And more importantly why has Obama taken such a guarded and defensive posture and remained silent? Exactly who is Barack Obama?

Obama -The One Video - YouTube

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The below-stated address is a short video on Obama's background. Many will say it is rubbish. Why does this story continue to be repeated? Why are there so many lawsuits to have this information released. And more importantly why has Obama taken such a guarded and defensive posture and remained silent? Exactly who is Barack Obama?

Obama -The One Video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGmZ0fhH5fM&feature=related)

Not even going to bother to watch this.

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Not even going to bother to watch this.

HIS background IS VITAL to understanding why he does what he does, and we should have paid more attention to it in 2008.

Your attitude is what got us here. Nobody wanted to know because he as such a nice guy and talked so pretty.

I have read BOTH his autobiographies, researched as best I could the Chicago papers and HIS BACKGROUND is the story, but nobody is interested...isn't that a shame !!!! We elected a man of shadows as President.

Read his books, read about him...then you begin to understand what we have the Supreme Court looking at things he does !!

OR continue as you are...he is counting on you

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Who is Barack Obama? Well, he's the President of the United States, silly. :doh:

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HIS background IS VITAL to understanding why he does what he does, and we should have paid more attention to it in 2008.

Your attitude is what got us here. Nobody wanted to know because he as such a nice guy and talked so pretty.

I have read BOTH his autobiographies, researched as best I could the Chicago papers and HIS BACKGROUND is the story, but nobody is interested...isn't that a shame !!!! We elected a man of shadows as President.

Read his books, read about him...then you begin to understand what we have the Supreme Court looking at things he does !!

OR continue as you are...he is counting on you

I have heard all of this before. Do not have to actually look at it to see that. The Supreme Court is exercising it right at ruling on issues that have not been covered before. That means that President Obama is making a difference even if the Court knocks down ObamaCare and rules in favor of the Arizona law on immigration. Some of the law on immigration in Arizona sounds like it goes way too far and steps on a power only reserved for the Federal Government.

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One thing I will never understand is that when he was running for pres. in 08 his platform was change or change you can believe in. Never once was it said what he planned to change. How can an intelligent person vote for anyone like that . Yes you can say Romney or whom ever are the same but most people never heard of obama before 08. I dont get it and now they want him in again knowing his agenda. He still does not stand for anything. Yes he is a fake.

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I have heard all of this before. Do not have to actually look at it to see that. The Supreme Court is exercising it right at ruling on issues that have not been covered before. That means that President Obama is making a difference even if the Court knocks down ObamaCare and rules in favor of the Arizona law on immigration. Some of the law on immigration in Arizona sounds like it goes way too far and steps on a power only reserved for the Federal Government.

So, you are fine with wasting about 1/3 of his time as President on the health care bill and using blackmail to get it passed. I mean, just consider the time this man has wasted and for WHAT PURPOSE. NONE

So, you are fine with a President suing a state because they are trying to enforce the federal law ?

AND, not sure what you "heard" but have you read his autobiographies ? Have you researched his days in Chicago ? Are you aware of who his associates were in Chicago ? Are you aware of how close he and Wright were ? Since you say you have heard it all before, BECAUSE THE PRESS DID NOT COVER IT...you must have and still dont care.

Have you ever heard of a President who had his grades in college SEALED ?

So, you are ok with a President that IN THREE SHORT YEARS, has told WHOPPERS, not the little things they say in campaigns and then cannot get done...I mean WHOPPERS......on healthcare...that has many lies in it.....how about the Patriot act ? How about the war on terrorism ? How about the trying of terrorist suspects ? He actually MADE FUN of the previous administrations on many of those things...made jokes. You are ok with all of that ?

So you are just fine with a President who IN THREE YEARS now talks about Romney flip flops and in those short amount of years had just about doubled his position changes...WHILE PRESIDENT. IN SUCH A SHORT TIME.

So you are happy with a President who in the last week was going to spend 8 BILLION dollars of your money on an "experiment" that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON thought was needed, and then we find out it is only to cover the hidden costs of the healthcare bill and make sure it doesnt come out before the election.

Tell me, in your lifetime, has there ever ever been a President who spent his three years in the WH basically campaigning at every opportunity ?

If you are ok with all of this, then you should worship him !!

I am sure he is a nice guy...and a great speaker, but his many shortcomings are simply stunning but his pretty words overcome all of that for you guys. Got to tell you, you standards are much lower than mine when it comes to the President !

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Well, Bucco, you will have your choice in November as to who you vote for President.

I am sure we will be seeing a negative campaign from both Republicans and Democrats here in Florida and the television ads will be overwhelming.

After both sides have their campaign, the voters will decide.

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So, you are fine with wasting about 1/3 of his time as President on the health care bill and using blackmail to get it passed. I mean, just consider the time this man has wasted and for WHAT PURPOSE. NONE

So, you are fine with a President suing a state because they are trying to enforce the federal law ?

AND, not sure what you "heard" but have you read his autobiographies ? Have you researched his days in Chicago ? Are you aware of who his associates were in Chicago ? Are you aware of how close he and Wright were ? Since you say you have heard it all before, BECAUSE THE PRESS DID NOT COVER IT...you must have and still dont care.

Have you ever heard of a President who had his grades in college SEALED ?

So, you are ok with a President that IN THREE SHORT YEARS, has told WHOPPERS, not the little things they say in campaigns and then cannot get done...I mean WHOPPERS......on healthcare...that has many lies in it.....how about the Patriot act ? How about the war on terrorism ? How about the trying of terrorist suspects ? He actually MADE FUN of the previous administrations on many of those things...made jokes. You are ok with all of that ?

So you are just fine with a President who IN THREE YEARS now talks about Romney flip flops and in those short amount of years had just about doubled his position changes...WHILE PRESIDENT. IN SUCH A SHORT TIME.

So you are happy with a President who in the last week was going to spend 8 BILLION dollars of your money on an "experiment" that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON thought was needed, and then we find out it is only to cover the hidden costs of the healthcare bill and make sure it doesnt come out before the election.

Tell me, in your lifetime, has there ever ever been a President who spent his three years in the WH basically campaigning at every opportunity ?

If you are ok with all of this, then you should worship him !!

I am sure he is a nice guy...and a great speaker, but his many shortcomings are simply stunning but his pretty words overcome all of that for you guys. Got to tell you, you standards are much lower than mine when it comes to the President !

They usually do not let anyone with bad grades into Harvard Law School so I am not at all worried about his sealed grades.

I have not see any radical African-American statements made by Barack Obama. Even if Reverend Wright did mentor Bracak Obama; the teacher is not the student, nor is the student the teacher.

I do not worship any politician. Unless you see Jesus perhaps as a politician. He was kind of an anti-politician, at least, according to some of his biographers.

Obama's flip-flops look like they are maturing to reflect the political realities of working with Congress as well as the many responsibilities a POTUS has. Mitt Romney's flip-flops look like he just wants to be President. He'll flip-flop in the future probably quite a lot more than Obama has if he becomes President.

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Please keep your comments from becoming personal to/about another member and stay on the topic.

Thank you.

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We can't make this same mistake twice. Voters must demand that Mitt Romney release his tax returns for at least the last ten years immediately. What is he hiding? Why all the off-shore bank accounts? President Obama's college grades probably don't effect the way he governs, but Romney's investments could certainly present a conflict of interest.

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They usually do not let anyone with bad grades into Harvard Law School so I am not at all worried about his sealed grades.

I don't care about his grades either, as there's so much more to worry about with this man than his college grades.

But!!; if you don't think money and influence and financial considerations can get someone into Harvard who wouldn't ordinarily make the cut, I think that's incredibly naive.

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They usually do not let anyone with bad grades into Harvard Law School so I am not at all worried about his sealed grades.

I have not see any radical African-American statements made by Barack Obama. Even if Reverend Wright did mentor Bracak Obama; the teacher is not the student, nor is the student the teacher.

I do not worship any politician. Unless you see Jesus perhaps as a politician. He was kind of an anti-politician, at least, according to some of his biographers.

Obama's flip-flops look like they are maturing to reflect the political realities of working with Congress as well as the many responsibilities a POTUS has. Mitt Romney's flip-flops look like he just wants to be President. He'll flip-flop in the future probably quite a lot more than Obama has if he becomes President.

His grades mean ZIP...NOTHING. BUT did you ever wonder WHY ? Many turns in his life as you review it, have shadows like that !

In your note, I notice you did not mention all the ACTIONS taken as president....guess they are not important.

Next item...I suggest you READ about the relationship with Wright...READ his books.

Let me understand something here...it is ok for the President of the United States to tell you he will do something, and NOT do it...that, you call "maturing"...as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WOW.....quite a statement. And Romney when he changes is politics....wondering how you could possible make that distinction....that is incredible, especially giving the President a break in what he promised and what he delivered and the WIDE VARIANCE therein...forget flip flopping on foreign policy...he LIED to all of us on so many issues just beginning with Health care and THAT you say is ok.

We are doomed with that kind of attitude. You dont even hold the President accountable..he is simply maturing.... but anyone who opposes him...THEY ARE accountable. Mind boggling

And all day I will be laughing at your statement on "working with congress"...he had to pay off Democrats to get the fiascon Healh bll passed....he has YET to get a budget passed with the Dems controlling congress...OR could there be another reason for that. He has raised eyebrows in the last few weeks with his statements about bypassing congress......and so we go on and folks will defend him totally all the time, not matter what.

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I cannot believe the things that are being written about President Obama. According to one poster, if you do not agree with all the misrepresentations in the post, that you must worship the president.

Instead of wasting your time posting on this forum, why not go join the Republican committees in the area and actively do your part to get your candidate elected? You should know that posting anything here is not going to change the minds of anyone else. Take a proactive stance instead of your posts which do not help your cause at all.

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I cannot believe the things that are being written about President Obama. According to one poster, if you do not agree with all the misrepresentations in the post, that you must worship the president.

Instead of wasting your time posting on this forum, why not go join the Republican committees in the area and actively do your part to get your candidate elected? You should know that posting anything here is not going to change the minds of anyone else. Take a proactive stance instead of your posts which do not help your cause at all.

I am very active locally, and actually to a degree still active nationally.

Hope that satisfies you, instead of you having anything to discuss.

PS...Anything you find untrue that I post, please feel free to post a rebuttal. Havent see that of you

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People should know by now where the president stands on the issues. They should be spending their time vetting Mitt Romney. There are so many unanswered questions, for instance his tax returns. He turned over 23 years of tax returns when he wanted to be John McCain's vice president, but now that he wants to be president, he can't turn over more than one year's worth. What's he hiding? Why all the off-shore bank accounts?
Did John McCain not like what he saw in those returns, or did he just not like Mitt?

Romny's deals at Bain Capital need to be examined one by one. He has made his career at Bain the centerpiece of his campaign when he says he should be "congratulated" for accumulating all his wealth. Let us see where that wealth came from, deal by deal. My company was taken over by corporate raiders, and 44,000 people lost their jobs, benefits, and pensions, so I don't feel all warm and fuzzy about these Gordon Gecko's.

And finally, what about his record as governor? He rarely mentions those four years. Why was MA 47th out of 50th in job creation while he was governor? How many times did he raise taxes? They don't call it Taxachusettes for nothing. How did MA become the first state in the country to allow same sex marriages while he was governor? We only have six months until the election, and there's a lot of digging to do to answer these question.

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The question posed in the original post was, "why does this story continue to be repeated"? I'd refrained from asking and answering the question. So let me ask it another way, "does this story continue because there is sufficient credible information that it merits further investigation"? If untrue it is a vile and vacious attack. If true it can only be with the support and financing of some of the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world.

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People should know by now where the president stands on the issues. They should be spending their time vetting Mitt Romney. There are so many unanswered questions, for instance his tax returns. He turned over 23 years of tax returns when he wanted to be John McCain's vice president, but now that he wants to be president, he can't turn over more than one year's worth. What's he hiding? Why all the off-shore bank accounts?
Did John McCain not like what he saw in those returns, or did he just not like Mitt?

Romny's deals at Bain Capital need to be examined one by one. He has made his career at Bain the centerpiece of his campaign when he says he should be "congratulated" for accumulating all his wealth. Let us see where that wealth came from, deal by deal. My company was taken over by corporate raiders, and 44,000 people lost their jobs, benefits, and pensions, so I don't feel all warm and fuzzy about these Gordon Gecko's.

And finally, what about his record as governor? He rarely mentions those four years. Why was MA 47th out of 50th in job creation while he was governor? How many times did he raise taxes? They don't call it Taxachusettes for nothing. How did MA become the first state in the country to allow same sex marriages while he was governor? We only have six months until the election, and there's a lot of digging to do to answer these question.

First of all, it is noted that you are hijacking a thread about Obama here, but no bother.

Mitt Romney was vetted so many times...actually he was vetted a number of times while Obama was a child and while he cavorted in Chicago.

HOWEVER, to the threads initial thought process, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL if the campaign became a back and forth on BACKGROUND. That would be just great and I, for one, would really welcome that.

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The question posed in the original post was, "why does this story continue to be repeated"? I'd refrained from asking and answering the question. So let me ask it another way, "does this story continue because there is sufficient credible information that it merits further investigation"? If untrue it is a vile and vacious attack. If true it can only be with the support and financing of some of the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world.

There is much in this SPECIFIC video that is based on half truths but most of it was brought about by Obama, himself, being so insincere and mysterious about his background.

I DO NOT BELIEVE all that is in this video. I am more interested in the associations he had in his life....not a conspiracy theory, simply a fact It is very difficult to ignore your teachings and the basis on which you were trained.

He surely seems like a nice family man....it is only those associations and what they believe in that bothers me a lot. He has shown in this term, especially in the first years of having no buffer as he controlled all of congress. I still have no understanding about how a President of the US facing our economic conditions at the time could possibly oversee this healthcare bill, except he knew he had to hurry. I guess in his hurry, he forgot his promise to the citizens of what it was supposed to accomplish.

In reading the Chicago archives you get a sense of this mans ambition and his realization of insuring that you get the programs you want without allowing yourself to be "married" to them..thus so much mystery.

This will not be a factor in this election as it was not in 2008, except on the fringes.

As you see on some posts here, we will spend time vetting and questioning a successful man WITH A BACKGROUND. We elected a president with so little background and success it was just minimal.

I do not see this party or this president pushing the background stuff.....would not be a good idea at all.

I said in 2008, he was pulling a con...I still think he did. NOT in the conspiracy sense as most think, but in what he feels needs to be accomplished and his direction.

Ever wonder why NOBODY questions HIM on flip flops...religion (remember when Romney had to have a special news conference in the primary of 2008) NOBODY questions the emphasis....total emphasis on federal government ? NOBODY questions him on much of anythng, but then again he doesnt have many press conferences to allow that sort of questions.

If you question the shadowy past of our President, you immediately are subject to the claims of conspiracy theorists, etc, NONE of which is true....I am not a "birther" whatever the hey that is.....but I do think...there are so many associations in his past that are so questionable.

But as one poster said this morning...then go out and stop his reelection and that surely would be my goal...but much rather would like to get to discuss issues right smack on and hear the explanations for what he does, BUT nobody wants to do that.....nobody seems to care about that. EVERYONE just wants to call out names...it is a shame..not what I grew up on.....cannot wait until the debates. Obama might win them handily although I doubt it very much, but at least the two men can talk about ACCOMPLISHMENTS. Obama did not need to do that in 2008..he had never really had a"job" of consequence to defend...now he does...but at least he will need to talk about EVENTS and not theories, and be asked about what he has done.

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if you repeat something over and over the masses will begin to believe it just ask the nazis.

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I cannot believe the things that are being written about President Obama. According to one poster, if you do not agree with all the misrepresentations in the post, that you must worship the president.

Instead of wasting your time posting on this forum, why not go join the Republican committees in the area and actively do your part to get your candidate elected? You should know that posting anything here is not going to change the minds of anyone else. Take a proactive stance instead of your posts which do not help your cause at all.

You make assumptions about people you don't know, and to what end.

Why are you wasting your own time posting on this forum if you believe what you say??????

a little reality check, please.

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They usually do not let anyone with bad grades into Harvard Law School so I am not at all worried about his sealed grades.

I have not see any radical African-American statements made by Barack Obama. Even if Reverend Wright did mentor Bracak Obama; the teacher is not the student, nor is the student the teacher.

I do not worship any politician. Unless you see Jesus perhaps as a politician. He was kind of an anti-politician, at least, according to some of his biographers.

Obama's flip-flops look like they are maturing to reflect the political realities of working with Congress as well as the many responsibilities a POTUS has. Mitt Romney's flip-flops look like he just wants to be President. He'll flip-flop in the future probably quite a lot more than Obama has if he becomes President.



Just so you know Obama's father birth certificate says he (father) is Arab and not African. Obama is 50% white, 12.5% African 43.50% Arab, as his father's family is mainly Arabs from Kenya. His father's claim is 87.5% Arabic and 12.5% African Obama claims his name is Swahili b ut it is actually Arabic "Baraka" (meaning blessed) Hussein is also Arabic....just saying

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We can't make this same mistake twice. Voters must demand that Mitt Romney release his tax returns for at least the last ten years immediately. What is he hiding? Why all the off-shore bank accounts? President Obama's college grades probably don't effect the way he governs, but Romney's investments could certainly present a conflict of interest.

Given the serious "allegations concerning Obama's background I am surprised that the media is not as adamant/obssessed regarding Obama's background tha they are about romney's tax returns.

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I don't care about his grades either, as there's so much more to worry about with this man than his college grades.

But!!; if you don't think money and influence and financial considerations can get someone into Harvard who wouldn't ordinarily make the cut, I think that's incredibly naive.

Are Obamas educational records sealed only because of his grades. Consider Bush joked about being a "C" student

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It is simply amazing anyone can ask "who is Barack Obama". The guy campaigned for 23 months !!!!! 23 months !!!! He was asked every conceivable question under the sun - and he answered every single one. Now, you may not have liked all of his answers, but he answered each and every questions.

I lost track of how many debates he participated in - and then when only he and Hillary were left, they had a series of debates that garnered huge TV prime time ratings.

So, after 23 months of campaigning and many debates, how can anyone possibly ask "who is Barack Obama"?

Either you weren't paying attention or you were too overwhelmed by the sheer lunacy of the R's VP choice.

The FACT is Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. His polling numbers indicates he is much preferred over Etch-A-Sketch and will, in all probability, be overwhelmingly reelected, as he should be.

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It is simply amazing anyone can ask "who is Barack Obama". The guy campaigned for 23 months !!!!! 23 months !!!! He was asked every conceivable question under the sun - and he answered every single one. Now, you may not have liked all of his answers, but he answered each and every questions.

I lost track of how many debates he participated in - and then when only he and Hillary were left, they had a series of debates that garnered huge TV prime time ratings.

So, after 23 months of campaigning and many debates, how can anyone possibly ask "who is Barack Obama"?

Either you weren't paying attention or you were too overwhelmed by the sheer lunacy of the R's VP choice.

The FACT is Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. His polling numbers indicates he is much preferred over Etch-A-Sketch and will, in all probability, be overwhelmingly reelected, as he should be.

Hope you are right.

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People should know by now where the president stands on the issues. They should be spending their time vetting Mitt Romney. There are so many unanswered questions, for instance his tax returns. He turned over 23 years of tax returns when he wanted to be John McCain's vice president, but now that he wants to be president, he can't turn over more than one year's worth. What's he hiding? Why all the off-shore bank accounts?
Did John McCain not like what he saw in those returns, or did he just not like Mitt?

Romny's deals at Bain Capital need to be examined one by one. He has made his career at Bain the centerpiece of his campaign when he says he should be "congratulated" for accumulating all his wealth. Let us see where that wealth came from, deal by deal. My company was taken over by corporate raiders, and 44,000 people lost their jobs, benefits, and pensions, so I don't feel all warm and fuzzy about these Gordon Gecko's.

And finally, what about his record as governor? He rarely mentions those four years. Why was MA 47th out of 50th in job creation while he was governor? How many times did he raise taxes? They don't call it Taxachusettes for nothing. How did MA become the first state in the country to allow same sex marriages while he was governor? We only have six months until the election, and there's a lot of digging to do to answer these question.

Who vetted Obama? i mean why are there all these allegations and why did those who vetted him have information to dispel or confirm.

I ram more concerned that a guy could hold the most important position in the world and have these allegations hanging out there Its the process i am concerned about as it appears flawed

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Some of the posters on this forum call the liberal element "Communists". The antithesis of communism are the nazis. I would never call anyone a nazi. Why do they get away with calling a liberal a communist?

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Some of the posters on this forum call the liberal element "Communists". The antithesis of communism are the nazis. I would never call anyone a nazi. Why do they get away with calling a liberal a communist?

WHO...SPECIFICALLY called posters on this forum....communists ????

BE VERY VERY SPECIFIC !!!

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You make assumptions about people you don't know, and to what end.

Why are you wasting your own time posting on this forum if you believe what you say??????

a little reality check, please.

Richie, my friend, first I was not making an assumption. I suggested to Bucco that since he is so passionate (which is a good trait) about the Presidential election that he would take a proactive stance and work with the Republican party to get their candidate elected. Bucco replied that he is doing that. Perfect. That is exactly what people should do and I congratulate him for doing it.

Secondly, I am not wasting my time posting on this forum. I am expressing my viewpoints and trying to enlighten others who may not know what is happening. I am not trying to change their viewpoints - but if someone's viewpoints are changed based upon my postings, so much the better.

I do thank you for your interest.

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It is simply amazing anyone can ask "who is Barack Obama". The guy campaigned for 23 months !!!!! 23 months !!!! He was asked every conceivable question under the sun - and he answered every single one. Now, you may not have liked all of his answers, but he answered each and every questions.

I lost track of how many debates he participated in - and then when only he and Hillary were left, they had a series of debates that garnered huge TV prime time ratings.

So, after 23 months of campaigning and many debates, how can anyone possibly ask "who is Barack Obama"?

Either you weren't paying attention or you were too overwhelmed by the sheer lunacy of the R's VP choice.

The FACT is Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. His polling numbers indicates he is much preferred over Etch-A-Sketch and will, in all probability, be overwhelmingly reelected, as he should be.

I will try and repond with a civil tone.

Obama is NOT....repeat...NOT even close...governing as he said he would.

He lied on each and every aspect of the health care bill including the actual goal of his "reform". In addition on that bill he wasted time that could have been spent on JOBS. NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. As a result of his arrogance there are folks who will suffer greatly.

He ridiculed the past administration on Patriot act......and kept it totally 100% in place....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

He absolutely condemned that past administration on the rendition of terror suspects...I mean he was really strong. Now he still has renditions and no chance of it ever being changes....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

As a candidate, he detailed a very detailed plan for NASA and said he would make NASA a priority again. He killed the constellation program....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

He said over and over again as he ridiculed the last administration that he would close GTMO.....it is still open......NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

Have not mentioned his now embracing super Pac's which to him was taboo.....and many many more. So he is NOT even close and if you want to discuss the economics then the list gets so big.

How about NO BUDGET in a democratic senate.....

Anyway, you feel he has been vetted...good for you. There have been BOOKS written on how he was NOT vetted. Not books by Republicans or right wing folks, BUT by media folks. Hope this time around he will get vetted but as someone mentioned on here...I did not see it or read it but the recent book or tv special on the last campaign had McCain saying he would not campaign in that manner....ie, bringing up some of the more uncomfortable stuff.

Actually, that may not be necessary as the last time he had NO record at all of any kind on anything. This time he does.

I realize this will be met by sarcasm but this is not a game.....the polls do not matter.....his supporters on this forum NEVER EVER EVER discuss issues and in order to discuss politics, or the world, or the leaders, you need to discuss issues. I believe that this lack of issue driven focus will show up in the campaign, although unlike you I dont predict anything.

I have read so much more than you would ever think of reading on this man and all I know, other than the last years as president is shadows...perhaps not by design, but shadows in his life.

I will anticipate your posting of polls IF THEY FAVOR OBAMA.....I will anticipate your posting as much negative things about Romney personally as you can get your hands on.....I will anticipate some creative names being posted for Romney, his family, etc........but I would hope that maybe sometime you might post on an issue that is vital to the COUNTRY and not selected things that play to the "game", which this election, nor any election, is not ~!!!

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I will try and repond with a civil tone.

Obama is NOT....repeat...NOT even close...governing as he said he would.

He lied on each and every aspect of the health care bill including the actual goal of his "reform". In addition on that bill he wasted time that could have been spent on JOBS. NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. As a result of his arrogance there are folks who will suffer greatly.

He ridiculed the past administration on Patriot act......and kept it totally 100% in place....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

He absolutely condemned that past administration on the rendition of terror suspects...I mean he was really strong. Now he still has renditions and no chance of it ever being changes....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

As a candidate, he detailed a very detailed plan for NASA and said he would make NASA a priority again. He killed the constellation program....NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

He said over and over again as he ridiculed the last administration that he would close GTMO.....it is still open......NOT "exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

Have not mentioned his now embracing super Pac's which to him was taboo.....and many many more. So he is NOT even close and if you want to discuss the economics then the list gets so big.

How about NO BUDGET in a democratic senate.....

Anyway, you feel he has been vetted...good for you. There have been BOOKS written on how he was NOT vetted. Not books by Republicans or right wing folks, BUT by media folks. Hope this time around he will get vetted but as someone mentioned on here...I did not see it or read it but the recent book or tv special on the last campaign had McCain saying he would not campaign in that manner....ie, bringing up some of the more uncomfortable stuff.

Actually, that may not be necessary as the last time he had NO record at all of any kind on anything. This time he does.

I realize this will be met by sarcasm but this is not a game.....the polls do not matter.....his supporters on this forum NEVER EVER EVER discuss issues and in order to discuss politics, or the world, or the leaders, you need to discuss issues. I believe that this lack of issue driven focus will show up in the campaign, although unlike you I dont predict anything.

I have read so much more than you would ever think of reading on this man and all I know, other than the last years as president is shadows...perhaps not by design, but shadows in his life.

I will anticipate your posting of polls IF THEY FAVOR OBAMA.....I will anticipate your posting as much negative things about Romney personally as you can get your hands on.....I will anticipate some creative names being posted for Romney, his family, etc........but I would hope that maybe sometime you might post on an issue that is vital to the COUNTRY and not selected things that play to the "game", which this election, nor any election, is not ~!!!

Obama and Gitmo. The problem is a Republican run House of Representatives and $. Why Obama can't close Guantánamo – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/15/why-obama-cant-close-guantanamo/)

On his maturity about the Patriot Act-- David Bromwich: Obama, Bush, and the Patriot Act (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/patriot-act-obama-_b_868831.html)

Obama and NASA-- http://mashable.com/2012/02/14/obama-space/

Obama and Super PACS-- Rodell Mollineau's response to 'Obama super PAC - hypocritical or common sense?' - The Arena | POLITICO.COM (http://www.politico.com/arena/perm/Rodell_Mollineau_286EA568-04DD-4F19-BCA2-CA6BD3E6167B.html)

Obama's Budget-- GOP-run House easily rejects Obama budget - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/gop-run-house-easily-rejects-obama-budget-013519895.html)

Obama and Romney's Health Care Plans-- Obama and Romney surprisingly similar on health care - baltimoresun.com (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-obama-romney-health-20120426,0,1518914.story)

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Obama and Gitmo. The problem is a Republican run House of Representatives and $. Why Obama can't close Guantánamo – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/15/why-obama-cant-close-guantanamo/)

This is funny....you pick one small sentence and respond. WOW.....AND he DID MAKE THAT PROMISE,,,certainly not anybody's fault but his that he made it a big deal during the campaign...BIG DEAL and could not do it.

All the others are obviously ok with you !!!!

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This is kind of like the Bill O'Reily program. No matter what O'Reily's guests say, he doesn't listen and just keeps on talking over them to repeat his talking over and over until eyes glaze over. Well, what else can you expect from FOX NOISE?

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This is kind of like the Bill O'Reily program. No matter what O'Reily's guests say, he doesn't listen and just keeps on talking over them to repeat his talking over and over until eyes glaze over. Well, what else can you expect from FOX NOISE?

1. I really very seldom watch any news shows, and probably the least watched for me is Fox....just so your chant, which seems to be a necessary criteria on your side of the aisle. Would be refreshing to hear another chant...THAT one is so very old.

2. I listen, just have NOT HEARD ANYONE DISPUTE WHAT I POSTED...NOBODY so not much to listen to is there.

What that I posted is incorrect...PLEASE POST

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In the words of the esteemed (not) Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!!!!! :cus:

WOW.....does not matter, folks just want to call names instead of being factual. Not sure what that means in this case....my experience is that you call names and make crazy allegations when you have nothing of import or substance to say.

You folks are so afraid to admit that the President could be wrong, it is frightening. Do you honestly really believe that he is perfect in every way.

I also would call you as the other poster to contradict me on FACTS...like a grown up

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Obama and Gitmo. The problem is a Republican run House of Representatives and $. Why Obama can't close Guantánamo – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/15/why-obama-cant-close-guantanamo/)

On his maturity about the Patriot Act-- David Bromwich: Obama, Bush, and the Patriot Act (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/patriot-act-obama-_b_868831.html)

Obama and NASA-- http://mashable.com/2012/02/14/obama-space/

Obama and Super PACS-- Rodell Mollineau's response to 'Obama super PAC - hypocritical or common sense?' - The Arena | POLITICO.COM (http://www.politico.com/arena/perm/Rodell_Mollineau_286EA568-04DD-4F19-BCA2-CA6BD3E6167B.html)

Obama's Budget-- GOP-run House easily rejects Obama budget - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/gop-run-house-easily-rejects-obama-budget-013519895.html)

Obama and Romney's Health Care Plans-- Obama and Romney surprisingly similar on health care - baltimoresun.com (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-obama-romney-health-20120426,0,1518914.story)


I have to be honest with you.....I KNEW all about the links you give.

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE original statement. "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate.

You are supplying pieces as to WHY he changed. BUT he is not "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

Not even close. I know very well that candidates can change positions and in fact the only time I would criticize the President on the list I gave is the health care bill where he openly and constantly just lied.

But sure folks change postions, but the premise given here is "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

You people think he is perfect and NEVER criticize him....heck, I oppose him and have made positive statements about him.

Why cant he make mistakes ? Why do you people feel the need to make yourself look bad by claiming "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate." then when called on the fact that it is factually not true, you provide links that show it NOT TO BE TRUE.

I get confused and you supporters do yourself no good at all by having that gut instinct to protect and defend everything. He is not perfect by any stretch and you are deluding yourself by constantly implying that he is.

This began as a thread on the mysteries in his life....the shadows and they exist and then you folks need to get in way over your head with statements as if he were god.....he is not.....I have worked for and supported many candidates over the years, and in my opinion, this kind of idolization is scary.

This statement is still NOT TRUE "Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

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This is kind of like the Bill O'Reily program. No matter what O'Reily's guests say, he doesn't listen and just keeps on talking over them to repeat his talking over and over until eyes glaze over. Well, what else can you expect from FOX NOISE?

Cannot say that I watch Bill O'Reilly very often. Did get a kick out of Jon Lovitz's rant against Obama though.

"Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate."

That statement seems overstated and simplistic. I doubt if any US President has ever lived up to all his campaign promises. You would need a King to do that and not one that is only a figurehead. Say someone like Henry VIII, Louis XIV, Queen Elizabeth, or some of the other Heads of State who had absolutist power.

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If all the liberals got is the irrelevant argument (if you can even call it that) of shouting "FOX News", you know you've won the argument and that you've been debating with children.

Somehow the most popular and most watched cable new channel in the country, and by wide margins, is considered a pejorative to the clueless childish uniformed left.

Sometimes when you argue with these people it might be considered child abuse.

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If all the liberals got is the irrelevant argument (if you can even call it that) of shouting "FOX News", you know you've won the argument and that you've been debating with children.

Somehow the most popular and most watched cable new channel in the country, and by wide margins, is considered a pejorative to the clueless childish uniformed left.

Sometimes when you argue with these people it might be considered child abuse.

Ah, whatever!

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Originally Posted by RichieLion
If all the liberals got is the irrelevant argument (if you can even call it that) of shouting "FOX News", you know you've won the argument and that you've been debating with children.

Somehow the most popular and most watched cable new channel in the country, and by wide margins, is considered a pejorative to the clueless childish uniformed left.

Sometimes when you argue with these people it might be considered child abuse.

Taltarzac725 -
Ah, whatever!


tal - so disappointed in your response.:sad:

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You should know that posting anything here is not going to change the minds of anyone else. Take a proactive stance instead of your posts which do not help your cause at all.


I am not wasting my time posting on this forum. I am expressing my viewpoints and trying to enlighten others who may not know what is happening. I am not trying to change their viewpoints - but if someone's viewpoints are changed based upon my postings, so much the better.



Buggy, you tell Bucco that posting here is not going to change the minds of anyone else, and that his posts do not help his cause at all. However when you post, you are "tryinging to enlighten others" and "if someone's viewpoints are changed, so much the better". :confused:

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Is there no end to the negative comments we read and always digging up "old dirt"....Bottom line, buggyone is so right!



Well, Bucco, you will have your choice in November as to who you vote for President.

I am sure we will be seeing a negative campaign from both Republicans and Democrats here in Florida and the television ads will be overwhelming.

After both sides have their campaign, the voters will decide.

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Buggy, you tell Bucco that posting here is not going to change the minds of anyone else, and that his posts do not help his cause at all. However when you post, you are "tryinging to enlighten others" and "if someone's viewpoints are changed, so much the better". :confused:

On this forum, this is the game....to RUN AWAY from issues...do not discuss...not sure why but trying to figure it out...they post a lot but not about issues thus they like to post and do not KNOW anything about the issues ? Or they like to post but are afraid to discuss issues ?

I dont know....maybe the new way of discussing what is going on in the world is to just call names and see who is cuter or more snarly !!

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Is there no end to the negative comments we read and always digging up "old dirt"....Bottom line, buggyone is so right!

There are a few ways to respond.

1. I did not start the post and have a right to respond with what I believe is the truth.

2. When you speak of "old dirt", do you disavow Romney's past which seems to be the constant and ONLY theme of defense of the current administration ?

3. When the poster you refer to starts really discussing issues, whenever that might be, then of course he stands a chance at being right. BUT, thus far.....


PS......WILL surely make a deal with you. I will talk ONLY about the current events, ONLY about the issues in this country.....problem is that NOBODY will respond to that at all ever. BUT I would love that deal. Can you get anyone else to go along with that then we will all be happy.

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WOW.....does not matter, folks just want to call names instead of being factual. Not sure what that means in this case....my experience is that you call names and make crazy allegations when you have nothing of import or substance to say.

You folks are so afraid to admit that the President could be wrong, it is frightening. Do you honestly really believe that he is perfect in every way.

I also would call you as the other poster to contradict me on FACTS...like a grown up

I'm growing old.....not up!!!! :evil6:

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Buggy, you tell Bucco that posting here is not going to change the minds of anyone else, and that his posts do not help his cause at all. However when you post, you are "tryinging to enlighten others" and "if someone's viewpoints are changed, so much the better". :confused:

You've got to understand that the progressives are so much more enlightened and intelligent than the unwashed masses of their fellow citizens.

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Some of the posters on this forum call the liberal element "Communists". The antithesis of communism are the nazis. I would never call anyone a nazi. Why do they get away with calling a liberal a communist?

I wouldn't call you a communist, but you are certainly an ally, unwitting or not, to the communists and socialists who are infiltrating our government, local and national, and who are being facilitated by our current President.

The communists and socialists and even the Muslim Brotherhood have a foothold in this administration.

You'd be blind not to see it.

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I wouldn't call you a communist, but you are certainly an ally, unwitting or not, to the communists and socialists who are infiltrating our government, local and national, and who are being facilitated by our current President.

The communists and socialists and even the Muslim Brotherhood have a foothold in this administration.

You'd be blind not to see it.

And this name calling is grown up??? "Communist!" "Socialist!" And how are the Muslim Brotherhood involved in the Obama Administration?

There is a "Muslim Brotherhood" party in Egypt with which Obama has been meeting. White House Defends Meetings with Muslim Brotherhood | Middle East | English (http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/White-House-Defends-Meetings-with-Muslim-Brotherhood-146361515.html)

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It is simply amazing anyone can ask "who is Barack Obama". The guy campaigned for 23 months !!!!! 23 months !!!! He was asked every conceivable question under the sun - and he answered every single one. Now, you may not have liked all of his answers, but he answered each and every questions.

I lost track of how many debates he participated in - and then when only he and Hillary were left, they had a series of debates that garnered huge TV prime time ratings.

So, after 23 months of campaigning and many debates, how can anyone possibly ask "who is Barack Obama"?

Either you weren't paying attention or you were too overwhelmed by the sheer lunacy of the R's VP choice.

The FACT is Obama is governing as POTUS exactly as he said he would when he was a candidate. His polling numbers indicates he is much preferred over Etch-A-Sketch and will, in all probability, be overwhelmingly reelected, as he should be.

The liberal media went vey soft on Obama and acted as if he was a rock star rather than a guy running for the most powerful office in the world. If someone dared ask a direct questrion they recived the alinsky treatment, which by the way he still continues to do. Just ask the large contributors to romney's campaign that have made Obama's enemies list only for the reason of contributions to the person they feel is fit to run this country. Its akin to the EPA's treatment wherein they follow the Romans lead by roughing up five guys in a conquered village so the rest of the townsfolk follow in line. Its classic and its being practiced through Obama's administration

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Some of the posters on this forum call the liberal element "Communists". The antithesis of communism are the nazis. I would never call anyone a nazi. Why do they get away with calling a liberal a communist?

Perhaps I am wrong but I think the opposite of communist is facist but irrespective you are absolutely correct that these words should not be in this conversation

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This is kind of like the Bill O'Reily program. No matter what O'Reily's guests say, he doesn't listen and just keeps on talking over them to repeat his talking over and over until eyes glaze over. Well, what else can you expect from FOX NOISE?

Buggyone: Again I agree with you. O;reilly just can't keep his mouth shut. However if you think back this has become fashionable for all talk hosts on either side of the fence. Apparently not one of them can wait to hear the period at the end of a sentence. Its distracting and quite frankly if one of these hosts ask me on their show and kept interrupting I would thank them, explain that they could do a one man ask answer and save the viewing public and me time. Its just plain rude! Please bring back the Bill Buckley's so we can have some civil, logical and sensible discourse.

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Media bias in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States)

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The allegation and people involved aside, the real and important issue here is that choosing our leaders is one of the most important acts each and everyone of us will ever do in our lives. We cannot do it unless we immerse ourselves as deeply as we possible can. We cannot allow any candidate for any office believe he/she can be flip about a question concerning who they are and what they stand for because we are choosing them to represent us....and that is the only reason I started this thread.

Just look back at some of the posts and you can see the disruptions and confusion this issue has cause...now multiply that across the country. I am very upset at those individuals who are responsbile for the vetting procees on both sides as well as the media for not bring these allegations to their finality before citizens voted in 2008.

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Media bias in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States)

Would much prefer to hear what YOU have to say and use something to validate it but most of us are well aware of what is in Wiki, and it has its purpose but is by intent very vague and general. PLUS it is better to hear what a poster thinks, not what they cut and pasted unless thats it I suppose

There is an article in the NYTIMES in the last week on the subject...read that one, and do some browsing on Goldberg (I am pretty sure of the name) who wrote a book on the media coverage in 2008. Then interpet, post and use them as validation

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The allegation and people involved aside, the real and important issue here is that choosing our leaders is one of the most important acts each and everyone of us will ever do in our lives. We cannot do it unless we immerse ourselves as deeply as we possible can. We cannot allow any candidate for any office believe he/she can be flip about a question concerning who they are and what they stand for because we are choosing them to represent us....and that is the only reason I started this thread.

Just look back at some of the posts and you can see the disruptions and confusion this issue has cause...now multiply that across the country. I am very upset at those individuals who are responsbile for the vetting procees on both sides as well as the media for not bring these allegations to their finality before citizens voted in 2008.

Good post and if I strayed from your thought process I am sorry...I did it only to address comments from other posters.

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And this name calling is grown up??? "Communist!" "Socialist!" And how are the Muslim Brotherhood involved in the Obama Administration?

There is a "Muslim Brotherhood" party in Egypt with which Obama has been meeting. White House Defends Meetings with Muslim Brotherhood | Middle East | English (http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/White-House-Defends-Meetings-with-Muslim-Brotherhood-146361515.html)

FORGET the names of the organizations and maybe try and look side by side at the policies and beliefs...that might make it easier.

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Good post and if I strayed from your thought process I am sorry...I did it only to address comments from other posters.

Bucco: I know its like being on a talk show. At least we are being bombarded by print and not voices. God can you imagine being a guess on the View or The Talk. Its like commiting"scabble sucide":pepper2:

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And this name calling is grown up??? "Communist!" "Socialist!" And how are the Muslim Brotherhood involved in the Obama Administration?

There is a "Muslim Brotherhood" party in Egypt with which Obama has been meeting. White House Defends Meetings with Muslim Brotherhood | Middle East | English (http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/White-House-Defends-Meetings-with-Muslim-Brotherhood-146361515.html)

Obama has appointed Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development at the Department of Homeland Security. Alikhan once called Hezballah a “liberation movement”, and he participated in a fundraiser for the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). Like ISNA, MPAC has links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Don't doubt me Tal, I'm not like some of these lefties who post tripe. I know what I'm talking about. We have a socialist and a muslim extremist sympathizer as President, and that's the best I can say for him.


Muslim Brotherhood appointed to Homeland Security Council – Glenn Beck (http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/04/26/muslim-brotherhood-granted-appointed-to-homeland-security-council/)

Barack Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood | FrontPage Magazine (http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/03/barack-obama-and-the-muslim-brotherhood/)

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The allegation and people involved aside, the real and important issue here is that choosing our leaders is one of the most important acts each and everyone of us will ever do in our lives. We cannot do it unless we immerse ourselves as deeply as we possible can. We cannot allow any candidate for any office believe he/she can be flip about a question concerning who they are and what they stand for because we are choosing them to represent us....and that is the only reason I started this thread.

Just look back at some of the posts and you can see the disruptions and confusion this issue has cause...now multiply that across the country. I am very upset at those individuals who are responsbile for the vetting procees on both sides as well as the media for not bring these allegations to their finality before citizens voted in 2008.

This is why we have elections. In 2008 the democratic primary went on from Feb until June with countless debates between the candidates. Based on all this campaigning and information, the voters spoke loud and clear on election day in November 2008.

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Some folks do not care the direction of the country...only that their party comes out on top !!!

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Some folks do not care the direction of the country...only that their party comes out on top !!!

A great great number of the left are, or were, in government jobs where their income is derived from the labors of the taxpayer.

Their salaries and perks are not dependent on profit, but on the whims or desires of another government bureaucrat who doesn't have to show any value added by that employee to raise his compensation. Maybe that employee just makes his job easier, or it's part of a contract signed with a public union that demands this increase in compensation without any value being added.

Taxes or fees are raised, and the public juggernaut goes forward oblivious to the real world market economics of regular Americans

These people do not live in the world of "make your own way". It explains much of the beliefs they have.

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I have heard all of this before. Do not have to actually look at it to see that. The Supreme Court is exercising it right at ruling on issues that have not been covered before. That means that President Obama is making a difference even if the Court knocks down ObamaCare and rules in favor of the Arizona law on immigration. Some of the law on immigration in Arizona sounds like it goes way too far and steps on a power only reserved for the Federal Government.

The federal government is not enforcing existing immigration laws and they're screwing Arizona citizens.

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The question posed in the original post was, "why does this story continue to be repeated"? I'd refrained from asking and answering the question. So let me ask it another way, "does this story continue because there is sufficient credible information that it merits further investigation"? If untrue it is a vile and vacious attack. If true it can only be with the support and financing of some of the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world.

Enter Percy Sutton.....

Percy Sutton (Malcom X's Lawyer) Says Barack Obama Knows And Was Financed By The Racist Radical Muslim And Saudi Advisor Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour, Part II - YouTube

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The federal government is not enforcing existing immigration laws and they're screwing Arizona citizens.

This might explain it. State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com (http://www.lawqa.com/news/state-immigration-laws-overstep-bounds)

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This might explain it. State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com (http://www.lawqa.com/news/state-immigration-laws-overstep-bounds)

GOOD GOLLY....DID YOU READ YOUR LINK YOU PROVIDED ????/

These state laws are simply turning over illegal immigrants...they are not arresting anyone, but forcing the federal government to do their job.

The poster said this..."The federal government is not enforcing existing immigration laws and they're screwing Arizona citizens."

HOW DOES YOUR LINK EXPLAIN THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT ENFORCIING IMMIGRATION LAWS AND THE'RE SCREWWING Arizona CITIZENS ?

Please explain how this explains it. It simply explains what we all know and what the court implied last week was the problem, SO AGAIN...How does that link explain anymore ?????/

Next, this is the same as the healthcare bill. Obama lied, paid blackmail, forgot totally what the bill was supposed to be as he promised and now it is in the Supreme Court. If it is overturned and those who lose coverage as a result should be livid at this man....as they should be relative to the Arizona law, as he is the one pushing this stuff and trying to rid of that troublesome phrase states rights.

Again, how does that link explain the post you were replying to ????/

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"Immigration is regulated by the federal government, not by the states.

Provisions like the one that requires state law enforcement officials to hand illegal immigrants over to the feds come with no guarantee that the feds will comply with the state's rules.

In fact, in four of the five states where similar immigration legislation has been passed, courts have reportedly ruled that the laws cannot legally go into effect. Some have equated so-called random immigration status checks with racial profiling.

Others have simply pointed out that it's not the states' responsibility to regulate matters of immigration and border control."

State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com (http://www.lawqa.com/news/state-immigration-laws-overstep-bounds)

This Forbes article discusses the very real problem of keeping a balance between states' rights and those of the Federal Government. Supreme Court's Look At Arizona's Immigration Law Could Dramatically Redefine The Federal-State Balance - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbobelian/2012/04/25/supreme-courts-look-at-arizonas-immigration-law-could-dramatically-redefine-the-federal-state-balance/)

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"Immigration is regulated by the federal government, not by the states.

Provisions like the one that requires state law enforcement officials to hand illegal immigrants over to the feds come with no guarantee that the feds will comply with the state's rules.

In fact, in four of the five states where similar immigration legislation has been passed, courts have reportedly ruled that the laws cannot legally go into effect. Some have equated so-called random immigration status checks with racial profiling.

Others have simply pointed out that it's not the states' responsibility to regulate matters of immigration and border control."

State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com (http://www.lawqa.com/news/state-immigration-laws-overstep-bounds)

This Forbes article discusses the very real problem of keeping a balance between states' rights and those of the Federal Government. Supreme Court's Look At Arizona's Immigration Law Could Dramatically Redefine The Federal-State Balance - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbobelian/2012/04/25/supreme-courts-look-at-arizonas-immigration-law-could-dramatically-redefine-the-federal-state-balance/)

Hussein wants everything to be federal....everything...Hussein needs all of us dependent on the Federal Gvt

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"Immigration is regulated by the federal government, not by the states.

Provisions like the one that requires state law enforcement officials to hand illegal immigrants over to the feds come with no guarantee that the feds will comply with the state's rules.

In fact, in four of the five states where similar immigration legislation has been passed, courts have reportedly ruled that the laws cannot legally go into effect. Some have equated so-called random immigration status checks with racial profiling.

Others have simply pointed out that it's not the states' responsibility to regulate matters of immigration and border control."

State Immigration Laws Overstep Bounds - Recent Legal News - LawQA.com (http://www.lawqa.com/news/state-immigration-laws-overstep-bounds)

This Forbes article discusses the very real problem of keeping a balance between states' rights and those of the Federal Government. Supreme Court's Look At Arizona's Immigration Law Could Dramatically Redefine The Federal-State Balance - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbobelian/2012/04/25/supreme-courts-look-at-arizonas-immigration-law-could-dramatically-redefine-the-federal-state-balance/)

By your argument if the local government was not enforcing law in you neighborhood, you would be at the mercy of the criminal element.

You would have no right to overstep the enforcement powers of the state to defend hearth and home.

Are not the people of Arizona free citizens with the right to defend themselves?

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A great great number of the left are, or were, in government jobs where their income is derived from the labors of the taxpayer.

Their salaries and perks are not dependent on profit, but on the whims or desires of another government bureaucrat who doesn't have to show any value added by that employee to raise his compensation. Maybe that employee just makes his job easier, or it's part of a contract signed with a public union that demands this increase in compensation without any value being added.

Taxes or fees are raised, and the public juggernaut goes forward oblivious to the real world market economics of regular Americans

These people do not live in the world of "make your own way". It explains much of the beliefs they have.

I had thought of putting this on as a Private Message at first.

I worked for 36 years with the Dept. of Veterans benefits and truly am put off by Richie's post. I did PM him about it, too.

The benefits provided are the profits. It is said that the VA benefits about50% of the citizens in the US. The VA is divided into 3 parts: The Veterans Health Administration, the Veterans Benefits Administration, and the National Cemetery System.

1. The health administration takes in all the VA hospitals and clinics nationwide. They care for veterans from the remaining WWII vets to the recent Afghanistan vets with the most modern techniques and well trained medical staff. I am sure l lots of the readers have used VA benefits at the VA hospitals or clinics either in Florida or wherever you came from.

2. The benefits administration takes in VA guaranteed home loans, educational benefits for veterans, their widows, and children, monthly pensions for disabled veterans as well as for their widows and children, insurance, and job training when needed. How many of us used VA benefits for college after we got out of the military or for buying our first home? I know I did. Does it work perfectly? Not all the time but improvements are constantly being made.

3. The cemetery system took over all the military cemeteries in the US back in the 1980's. With the exception of Arlington and a few others, all are under the care and administration of the VA. Any veteran is eligible for free burial at a national cemetery as well as their spouse. This is a growing administration as the WWII vets are dying at a rate of about 1,000 per day.

I was in the staffing part of HR for a lot of my career. I cannot estimate how many Vietnam-era veterans that I placed into a job or a career. Not all were success stories but many, many were. I am proud to say that I worked for the VA and that I was able to help veterans find a job when they needed it after they served their country.

Do not bash the federal government as a whole. Sure, there are areas of it that are not needed. Do not say that the federal government employee is sucking at the public trough. Most are hard workers and take their jobs seriously. I am sure some might point out federal workers who are slugs - but there are many of those in private industry. One of my co-workers claimed to have relatives "who were connected" and were phantom employees of the New York Post. Just had to show up on payday. Look at some of the "customer service representatives" we have all had to deal with before coming to The Villages. Slugs!

Anyhow, off my soapbox. This really does not need any replies but I was steamed at the posting about federal workers who get their salaries fort not being in jobs that have to show a profit. The profit is not in dollars but in the betterment or service to people.

Thanks for taking the time to read this rant. I do feel better now having written it. Richie is still my friend and I know his viewpoints, too.

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A great great number of the left are, or were, in government jobs where their income is derived from the labors of the taxpayer.

Their salaries and perks are not dependent on profit, but on the whims or desires of another government bureaucrat who doesn't have to show any value added by that employee to raise his compensation. Maybe that employee just makes his job easier, or it's part of a contract signed with a public union that demands this increase in compensation without any value being added.

Taxes or fees are raised, and the public juggernaut goes forward oblivious to the real world market economics of regular Americans

These people do not live in the world of "make your own way". It explains much of the beliefs they have.


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My goodness, these things have been thrown up by the right for three years. Obama was duly elected, has served three years, and no one has been able to prove any of the allegations in the video.

Why bother with this stuff? If you don't like Obama, vote for Romney in the fall. Then I'd suggest that we all support whomever our duly elected President turns out to be. It seems self-destructive to me to continue the diatribe of hatred for the person who met all the Constitutional requirements for candidacy and was elected. The good of the country is more important than four more years of expressions of hatred and obstructionism by either the right or left.

If you really believe in the Constitution, then follow its requirements and then accept the results until the next time you get a choice...however the election turns out.

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My goodness, these things have been thrown up by the right for three years. Obama was duly elected, has served three years, and no one has been able to prove any of the allegations in the video.

Why bother with this stuff? If you don't like Obama, vote for Romney in the fall. Then I'd suggest that we all support whomever our duly elected President turns out to be. It seems self-destructive to me to continue the diatribe of hatred for the person who met all the Constitutional requirements for candidacy and is elected. The good of the country is more important than four more years of expressions of hatred and obstructionism by either the right or left.

If you really believe in the Constitution, then follow its requirements and then accept the results until the next time you get a choice...however the election turns out.

Your points are well taken.

NOW, if we could only get Hussein to respect the constitution, we would be on to something

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It would be great if there was not so much obvious HATRED posted on our President and the attempts at getting others angry by calling him by his middle name. Did you hear people call Bush by the name of Herbert Walker, Clinton by the name of Jefferson, or Ronnie Reagan by the name of Wilson? What is the purpose of calling Pres. Obama by the name of Hussein?

I remember one poster who answered that by saying that Pres. Obama used all 3 names in his swearing in ceremony so it was perfectly acceptable to do also. I think EVERY president uses his entire name when being sworn into office.

This is just a flaming by a poster who wants to try and get others angry.

I actually am disappointed in those that are intelligent but show a lack of imagination.

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It just shows total lack of respect for the office of president by ignorant people. I guess since Willard Mitt Romney goes by his middle name, it's going to be the norm until election day.

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So it is not nice sharing the board with someone who shows such disrespect and resorts to using names like this ? WOW...go figure.

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It would be great if there was not so much obvious HATRED posted on our President and the attempts at getting others angry by calling him by his middle name. Did you hear people call Bush by the name of Herbert Walker, Clinton by the name of Jefferson, or Ronnie Reagan by the name of Wilson? What is the purpose of calling Pres. Obama by the name of Hussein?

I remember one poster who answered that by saying that Pres. Obama used all 3 names in his swearing in ceremony so it was perfectly acceptable to do also. I think EVERY president uses his entire name when being sworn into office.

This is just a flaming by a poster who wants to try and get others angry.

I actually am disappointed in those that are intelligent but show a lack of imagination.

Actually, you are correct...they do not use middle names for Presidents...I have seen "Junior", "the ignorant one" and a few others that escape me but correct...they all do use their names EXCEPT ...posters on here do not however.

Now, as regards to disrespect....I was under the impression after hearing what SENATOR Bachmann was called, and a few others that I was ok with at using a given name....you really cannot figure it out...I am so dumb and now I am being lectured on having respect.....I am so embarrased by showing so little respect.

WOW...go figure !

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It just shows total lack of respect for the office of president by ignorant people. I guess since Willard Mitt Romney goes by his middle name, it's going to be the norm until election day.

Yes you are right....Junior will just have to get used it uh ?

And since you called me ignorant, I will learn from your posts from now on...will review them for respect for all and how detailed and driven by issues they are. Just will learn everything there is to know about politics and how to be respectful from you.

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Actually, you are correct...they do not use middle names for Presidents...I have seen "Junior", "the ignorant one" and a few others that escape me but correct...they all do use their names EXCEPT ...posters on here do not however.

Now, as regards to disrespect....I was under the impression after hearing what SENATOR Bachmann was called, and a few others that I was ok with at using a given name....you really cannot figure it out...I am so dumb and now I am being lectured on having respect.....I am so embarrased by showing so little respect.

WOW...go figure !

I wrote:
It would be great if there was not so much obvious HATRED posted on our President and the attempts at getting others angry by calling him by his middle name. Did you hear people call Bush by the name of Herbert Walker, Clinton by the name of Jefferson, or Ronnie Reagan by the name of Wilson? What is the purpose of calling Pres. Obama by the name of Hussein?
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I did not say anything about "respect". I said HATRED directed toward the President based upon his non-mainstream name of foreign extract.

Unless Michelle Bachmann's middle name is "Minnesota Moron", I was not insulting her background but only her intelligence.

And if you noticed in my posting, I called you intelligent - which I certainly think is true.

Still the question to you was, and still is "What is your purpose of calling President Obama by the name of Hussein?"

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I wrote:
It would be great if there was not so much obvious HATRED posted on our President and the attempts at getting others angry by calling him by his middle name. Did you hear people call Bush by the name of Herbert Walker, Clinton by the name of Jefferson, or Ronnie Reagan by the name of Wilson? What is the purpose of calling Pres. Obama by the name of Hussein?
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I did not say anything about "respect". I said HATRED directed toward the President based upon his non-mainstream name of foreign extract.

Unless Michelle Bachmann's middle name is "Minnesota Moron", I was not insulting her background but only her intelligence.

And if you noticed in my posting, I called you intelligent - which I certainly think is true.

Still the question to you was, and still is "What is your purpose of calling President Obama by the name of Hussein?"

The answer is easy. I am trying to learn from you on how to do the right thing. I thought, and again showing my stupidity, that Hussein was his given name and could not see that being insulting. Why is that insulting may I ask ?

I see the way to go.....like you call names I need to come up with a name to make fun of the President instead of using his real name.

I think I got it....will give it a try....gotta work on a good name to insult him good,huh?

Help me a bit....cant use what you used to insult...on this particular one, and you have posted some great insults...you used the state...so I could go for Hawaii and then add an insult at the end huh ? OR....as you like to use Mittens for Romney, I could come up with a variation on the Presidents name.

Thanks so much..this NOT READING and verifying what I say and simply coming up with insults is already clearing my schedule..no more reading or thinking about issues...thank you

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Now that is good...thanks

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This is why we have elections. In 2008 the democratic primary went on from Feb until June with countless debates between the candidates. Based on all this campaigning and information, the voters spoke loud and clear on election day in November 2008.

janmcn: Perhaps you should re-read my post. I am not addressing the voting results, its the flawed vetting process.

if the powers to be continue down this road it is conceivable they will help elect a manic demigod rather than a president

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janmcn: Perhaps you should re-read my post. I am not addressing the voting results, its the flawed vetting process.

if the powers to be continue down this road it is conceivable they will help elect a manic demigod rather than a president

The vetting process in this country is the primary system where candidates travel to all 50 states, meet people, give speeches, participate in debates, get quizzed by news organizations. And then they do it all over again in the general election. What better vetting process can you suggest?

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The vetting process in this country is the primary system where candidates travel to all 50 states, meet people, give speeches, participate in debates, get quizzed by news organizations. And then they do it all over again in the general election. What better vetting process can you suggest?

janmcn: Might I politely suggest that you goggle "vetting process" and see the number of ways and indepth analysis needed before a satisfactory candidate is accepted. You would not suggest that the average citizen can really vet a candidate? As much as it pains me to say so, the majority of voters probably have no idea what their candidate really stands for or what position he/she holds on various issues.

OK I done with this thread.....

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I always laugh out loud when I hear the lefties moaning and crying about the disrespect shown this failed President.

They have short memories about their own actions.

I'll alway respect Obama as much as they respected George W. Bush. I haven't gone back on that vow. I don't think I'm near as disrespectful as they were, but I'm striving.

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The vetting process in this country is the primary system where candidates travel to all 50 states, meet people, give speeches, participate in debates, get quizzed by news organizations. And then they do it all over again in the general election. What better vetting process can you suggest?

janmcn: Might I politely suggest that you goggle "vetting process" and see the number of ways and indepth analysis needed before a satisfactory candidate is accepted. You would not suggest that the average citizen can really vet a candidate? As much as it pains me to say so, the majority of voters probably have no idea what their candidate really stands for or what position he/she holds on various issues.

OK I done with this thread.....

You can't leave now. You haven't told me what are your better ideas for selecting candidates.

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I had thought of putting this on as a Private Message at first.

I worked for 36 years with the Dept. of Veterans benefits and truly am put off by Richie's post. I did PM him about it, too.

The benefits provided are the profits. It is said that the VA benefits about50% of the citizens in the US. The VA is divided into 3 parts: The Veterans Health Administration, the Veterans Benefits Administration, and the National Cemetery System.

1. The health administration takes in all the VA hospitals and clinics nationwide. They care for veterans from the remaining WWII vets to the recent Afghanistan vets with the most modern techniques and well trained medical staff. I am sure l lots of the readers have used VA benefits at the VA hospitals or clinics either in Florida or wherever you came from.

2. The benefits administration takes in VA guaranteed home loans, educational benefits for veterans, their widows, and children, monthly pensions for disabled veterans as well as for their widows and children, insurance, and job training when needed. How many of us used VA benefits for college after we got out of the military or for buying our first home? I know I did. Does it work perfectly? Not all the time but improvements are constantly being made.

3. The cemetery system took over all the military cemeteries in the US back in the 1980's. With the exception of Arlington and a few others, all are under the care and administration of the VA. Any veteran is eligible for free burial at a national cemetery as well as their spouse. This is a growing administration as the WWII vets are dying at a rate of about 1,000 per day.

I was in the staffing part of HR for a lot of my career. I cannot estimate how many Vietnam-era veterans that I placed into a job or a career. Not all were success stories but many, many were. I am proud to say that I worked for the VA and that I was able to help veterans find a job when they needed it after they served their country.

Do not bash the federal government as a whole. Sure, there are areas of it that are not needed. Do not say that the federal government employee is sucking at the public trough. Most are hard workers and take their jobs seriously. I am sure some might point out federal workers who are slugs - but there are many of those in private industry. One of my co-workers claimed to have relatives "who were connected" and were phantom employees of the New York Post. Just had to show up on payday. Look at some of the "customer service representatives" we have all had to deal with before coming to The Villages. Slugs!

Anyhow, off my soapbox. This really does not need any replies but I was steamed at the posting about federal workers who get their salaries fort not being in jobs that have to show a profit. The profit is not in dollars but in the betterment or service to people.

Thanks for taking the time to read this rant. I do feel better now having written it. Richie is still my friend and I know his viewpoints, too.


I would have left this alone as you seemed to want in your PM, but since you decided to go public, I guess I will also.

Benefits provided are “profits”? All benefits provided by the government was provided from money extracted from taxpayers and then divied up amongst “benficiaries”, after government employees skim their salary and perks off the top. How am I wrong?

I never said there weren’t government employees who do good work, but it’s also all strictly overhead. There is no product manfactured and sold, or no service provided for value, that translates into definable money earned. There is no value added to measure profit aquired by a government employee in relation to the work he does. That’s just a fact, and that’s all I’m referring to.

So what I’m saying is because of this, the work of government employees is not evaluated with the measure of producing profit as are their contemporaries in the market economy.

In the market economy if an employee is not pulling his weight or is a drag on profits instead of an asset, he is terminated. This does not happen in the public sector, and there’s no system to even measure such a scenario. If a government employee is deemed incompetent in his duties, or maybe just superfluous to the situation (Just for the sake of argument. We know this almost never happens) he will be transferred and most likely even promoted out of his department in order to maintain peace in his department. The salary and perks of said employee is never considered in this equation as it would in the private sector.

Public employees do no live in the real world of economics in terms of their employment. There is an entitlement atmosphere in the public sector that is wholly foreign to the world of the private sector employee.

You can regale us with all the good you’ve done in your many years of government service, and those of your contemporaries, and I would not argue even one of those points with you. It has absolutely nothing to do with what I’m saying here, though.

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Obama's new name on TOTV= whatever.