Binladen, I, me Obama did it, backlash:

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SEALs slam Obama for using them as 'ammunition' in bid to take credit for bin Laden killing during election campaign | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137636/SEALs-slam-Obama-using-ammunition-bid-credit-bin-Laden-killing-election-campaign.html)

His lacky news buddy Brian Williams just happened to be there for an impromptu interview as shown on last nights NBC (Obama network).

This issue is a perfect example of Obama politicizing anything to be able to use the 'I' and 'me" words.

He had to do about as much decision making as it takes to light the annual Christmas Tree. Using the NBC approach we could hear about how Obama made the decision to have that tree planted and nurtured. And how he rescued the company that made the trucks that brought it to Washington. And they certainly would not leave out how many strings of lights he ordered to provide as many jobs as possible to string the tree. You know the old make a banquet out of a ham sandwich routine except be sure to include how he grew the wheat to make the bread and raised the pigs to provide the ham. And most assuredly the decision to be sure to call ti a banquet even though we all know it is a ham sandwich.

He is so full of himself he does not get it along with a major dose he doesn't really care.

Further demonstrating total lack of LEADERSHIP.

btk

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Obama strategy of taking credit for Osama bin Laden killing risky, observers say - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-strategy-of-taking-credit-for-osama-bin-laden-killing-risky-some-observers-say/2012/04/30/gIQApuAxrT_story.html)

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Republicans never do this. George W Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in full costume proclaiming "Mission Accomplished". That was before an additional 4000 plus service members died in an unnecessary war.

Rudy Guiliani has been talking about 9/11 for eleven years, but Mitt Romeny takes the cake when he said that "even Jimmy Carter would have ordered the attack". If it was that easy, why didn't Bush do it in the previous eight years?

If Bush had gotten Bin Laden, Dick Cheney would be doing cartwheels all the way to Mount Rushmore to carve Bush's face in the side of the mountain.

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Republicans never do this. George W Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in full costume proclaiming "Mission Accomplished". That was before an additional 4000 plus service members died in an unnecessary war.

Rudy Guiliani has been talking about 9/11 for eleven years, but Mitt Romeny takes the cake when he said that "even Jimmy Carter would have ordered the attack". If it was that easy, why didn't Bush do it in the previous eight years?

The bunny kind of gave Jimmy Carter a bad rap. Jimmy Carter rabbit incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident)

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Republicans never do this. George W Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in full costume proclaiming "Mission Accomplished". That was before an additional 4000 plus service members died in an unnecessary war.

Rudy Guiliani has been talking about 9/11 for eleven years, but Mitt Romeny takes the cake when he said that "even Jimmy Carter would have ordered the attack". If it was that easy, why didn't Bush do it in the previous eight years?

If Bush had gotten Bin Laden, Dick Cheney would be doing cartwheels all the way to Mount Rushmore to carve Bush's face in the side of the mountain.

George W. Bush never took personal credit for the performance of the military, but just heaped praise on them at every opportunity. When Bush spoke of the military the only time he said "I" was to say "I respect them".

Your analogy is total garbage. Even after 9/11, George W. Bush said "They'll hear from US".

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George W. Bush never took personal credit for the performance of the military, but just heaped praise on them at every opportunity. When Bush spoke of the military the only time he said "I" was to say "I respect them".

Your analogy is total garbage. Even after 9/11, George W. Bush said "They'll hear from US".

If the president is quoted as saying he ordered the strike, he is quite correct, according to others in the room who had differing opinions. Who else would have ordered it?

George W Bush said "They'll hear from us" shortly after 9/11, but years later he stuttered and stammered that he really didn't spend a whole lot of time worrying about Bin Laden (I'm paraphrasing here).

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Republicans never do this. George W Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in full costume proclaiming "Mission Accomplished". That was before an additional 4000 plus service members died in an unnecessary war.

Rudy Guiliani has been talking about 9/11 for eleven years, but Mitt Romeny takes the cake when he said that "even Jimmy Carter would have ordered the attack". If it was that easy, why didn't Bush do it in the previous eight years?

If Bush had gotten Bin Laden, Dick Cheney would be doing cartwheels all the way to Mount Rushmore to carve Bush's face in the side of the mountain.


Actually Bush did not proclaim as you say and if do any reading whatsoever, you will find that very clearly the banner was ordered by the ship who had just completed the longest mission by a carrier since Vietnam and was for the crew of the ship and had nothing to do with Iraq at all.

I really am sorry to ruin your illusion but this talk has been and continued to be simply another of talking points.

AS to why Bush didnt order the attack on Bin Laden, I would ask how much you actually know about this mission and perhaps you can come back and explain to everyone why you would ask such a question.

The attack happened on Obama's watch and he gets kudos for having it happen...nobody that I heard ever denied it until it became a bigger anniversary than the end of WW2 and began to become political. All of the recent quotes, etc are simply a reaction to what the WH is doing...NOT an attack on anyone. Never heard anyone do that "on an island" ONLY reacting the the theatrics of the WH

All of this, including this thread is a REACTION to the WH. NOT something done on its own.

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I believe jealousy is another of the 7 deadly sins the Repubs embrace. :(

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The mistake the Obama administration made was asking what Mitt Romney would have done under the same circumstances. Who cares what Romney would have done? Six months from now he'll be a footnote in history just like his father.

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Republicans never do this. George W Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in full costume proclaiming "Mission Accomplished". That was before an additional 4000 plus service members died in an unnecessary war.

Rudy Guiliani has been talking about 9/11 for eleven years, but Mitt Romeny takes the cake when he said that "even Jimmy Carter would have ordered the attack". If it was that easy, why didn't Bush do it in the previous eight years?

If Bush had gotten Bin Laden, Dick Cheney would be doing cartwheels all the way to Mount Rushmore to carve Bush's face in the side of the mountain.

Bush is no longer president. Find a new mantra.

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All your post above means to me is that you know you were wrong, and now you're just being a petty and mean thing by further insulting a man is is more American in one finger than the entire Obama Administration.

You're supporting an ingrate.

No I'm not supporting Mitt Romney. I guess you misunderstood.

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Childish response is what I figure from you and you don't disappoint.

It's foolish of me to even address you. It's like trying to reason with a 3 year old.

I was given some sound advice in the thread I started on the media..going to try to follow it

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Of course, if Bill Clinton had taken Bin Laden when he was offered, we wouldn't be talking about 911. Thought it was strange that they had Clinton do the commercial.

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SEALs slam Obama for using them as 'ammunition' in bid to take credit for bin Laden killing during election campaign | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137636/SEALs-slam-Obama-using-ammunition-bid-credit-bin-Laden-killing-election-campaign.html)

His lacky news buddy Brian Williams just happened to be there for an impromptu interview as shown on last nights NBC (Obama network).

This issue is a perfect example of Obama politicizing anything to be able to use the 'I' and 'me" words.

He had to do about as much decision making as it takes to light the annual Christmas Tree. Using the NBC approach we could hear about how Obama made the decision to have that tree planted and nurtured. And how he rescued the company that made the trucks that brought it to Washington. And they certainly would not leave out how many strings of lights he ordered to provide as many jobs as possible to string the tree. You know the old make a banquet out of a ham sandwich routine except be sure to include how he grew the wheat to make the bread and raised the pigs to provide the ham. And most assuredly the decision to be sure to call ti a banquet even though we all know it is a ham sandwich.

He is so full of himself he does not get it along with a major dose he doesn't really care.

Further demonstrating total lack of LEADERSHIP.

btk

As you have done many times in the past, here again you claim the President has demonstrated a 'total lack of LEADERSHIP'. As in the past this post rings with a high emotional tone, suggesting you are upset and frustrated with the President's action or inaction.

This time I can't help but take the entirely opposite view.

First, your citing of the article 'SEALs Slam Obama' is a sensational headline on an article which a former SEAL commander, now a Republican legislator, (surprise), calls the bin Laden matter into question, but not for the leadership shown in making the final decision.

Second, your criticism of the media's spin on this matter is not the President's doing, yet you again characterize the media as simply existing to do the President's bidding.

Third, likening the decision to act and put troops in harms way to lighting the Christmas tree, is one of the most outrageous insults to those troops I've ever heard. Did you consider that before you wrote it?

Fourth, being totally objective, there must be recognition that the bin Laden affair was an exercise in real leadership. There were conflicting choices to be made. The President made them and announced from day one that they were his decisions. You would be right about his lack of leadership only if he had walked out of the situation room that night and announced he couldn't make those decisions. Most people support his decisions, but even if you totally disagree with them, that does not diminish the fact that he made them.

So if you are going to continue to focus on a 'total lack of leadership', I suggest you look at the specific acts and decisions the President has made, not the extraneous or after-the-fact irrelevant aspects.

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Childish response is what I figure from you and you don't disappoint.

It's foolish of me to even address you. It's like trying to reason with a 3 year old.

Of course, if Bill Clinton had taken Bin Laden when he was offered, we wouldn't be talking about 911. Thought it was strange that they had Clinton do the commercial.

That is so clever Richie. When you don't have anything constructive to say about your candidate, call the opposition three year olds. As the president flies around the world trying to end George Bush's unpaid wars, you haven't told us what is Mitt Romney's foreign policy? The only thing we know for sure is his money traveled to Switzerland.

And if George W Bush had paid attention to the memo that crossed his desk on Aug 6, 2001 titled "Bin Laden Plans to Attack US", 3000 people might still be alive.

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Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden)


Do not forget Operation Cyclone and Charlie Wilson's War. Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone)

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your criticism of the media's spin on this matter is not the President's doing, yet you again characterize the media as simply existing to do the President's bidding.

The President is doing this all himself. Where is he today???.......why, he's in Afganistan for a campaign stop and OBL photo op.

The President is shameless. Then again, when you have no real accomplishments, you go for what you got.

Obama lands in Afghanistan in surprise visit | Politics - Home (http://www.local10.com/news/politics/Obama-lands-in-Afghanistan-in-surprise-visit/-/1895020/12393940/-/j4yygvz/-/)

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The President is doing this all himself. Where is he today???.......why, he's in Afganistan for a campaign stop and OBL photo op.

The President is shameless. Then again, when you have no real accomplishments, you go for what you got.

Obama lands in Afghanistan in surprise visit | Politics - Home (http://www.local10.com/news/politics/Obama-lands-in-Afghanistan-in-surprise-visit/-/1895020/12393940/-/j4yygvz/-/)

What is wrong with a visit to the troops on May 1, 2012? Sounds like a gutsy move for the President. On bin Laden anniversary, Romney ‘applauds’ Obama | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/05/01/on-bin-laden-anniversary-romney-applauds-obama/) Obama flies to Afghanistan, signs pact with Karzai | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/01/obama-in-afghanistan-to-sign-security-pact/)

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ijusluvit...you write it the way you prefer to read/think/speak.
I will continue to do like wise.

I will stick with my Christmas Tree light example....everything to do it is has been in motion for years....whoever is in office at the time gets to throw the switch.

I will give Obama as much credit for the action as his supporters will give Bush. That should make it easy for all...eh?

btk

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The President is doing this all himself. Where is he today???.......why, he's in Afganistan for a campaign stop and OBL photo op.

The President is shameless. Then again, when you have no real accomplishments, you go for what you got.

Obama lands in Afghanistan in surprise visit | Politics - Home (http://www.local10.com/news/politics/Obama-lands-in-Afghanistan-in-surprise-visit/-/1895020/12393940/-/j4yygvz/-/)

:shrug: :what: ;)

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From Michael Mukasey WSJ 5/1/2012 "Arbraham Lincoln on the day following Robert E Lee's surrender delivered from the window of the White House mentioned NOT his achievments but instead looked forward to the difficulties of reconstruction and called for black sufferage, a call that would doom him as a memeber of that audience (John wilkes Booth) muttered he has just delievered his last speech." Lincoln took responsibility in August 1862 failures of General George McClellan , eventually sacked for incompetence and Secretary Edwin Stanton. Lincoln told a crowd that McClellan was not at fault for seeking more than Stanton could give and "I stand here,as justice requires me to do, to take upon myself what has been carged upon the Secretary of War."

Dwight Eisenhower penned a statement to be issued in anticipation of the failure of the Normandy invasion that read in part: "My decision to attack at this time and place was based on the best information available." "The troops, the air and the Navy did all that bravery and devotion to duty could do. If any blame attaches to the attempt it is mine alone."

A week later when it was apparent the invasion was an apparent success Eisenhower saluted the Allied Expedtionary Forces. One week ago..........
High was my preinvasion confidence in your courage , skill and effectiveness.....your accomplishments......have exceeded my brightest hopes. I truly congratulate you.........I am proud of you."

George W Bush also had occassin to announce a triumph of intelligence: the capture of Saddam Hussien. He called the success a tribute to the men and women now serving in Iraq. He attributed it to the superb work of the intelligenc community and to skill and bravery of our fighting force Like eiswenhower he lso mentioned himself Today, on behalf of the nation I thank the member of the Armed forces and I congratulate them

The intelligence community knew in early 2010 the location of bin Laden. Prior to issuing the order to strike in 2011 Obama made it clear that if the mission went wrong the fault would fall with Admiral McRaven who had the main decision making operational control of this mission."

What the bin Laden situation really delinates, to me, is the lack of presidential breeding. As the old saw goes you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
I am not trying to be unkind here what some people see as arrogance or ego centric I view as attributed to the fact that Obama never had the long term opporutnity to become presidential. In the corporate world it is termed the "Peter Principle." It certainly explains Obama's continue use of "I" and "me"

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Another of your stupid posts. You accuse me of not responding with a constructive post to your childish "nyah nyah" type post. Pretty insipid.

Let me speak in the manner you'll understand. Bite me, Jan.

The President is doing this all himself. Where is he today???.......why, he's in Afganistan for a campaign stop and OBL photo op.

The President is shameless. Then again, when you have no real accomplishments, you go for what you got.

Obama lands in Afghanistan in surprise visit | Politics - Home (http://www.local10.com/news/politics/Obama-lands-in-Afghanistan-in-surprise-visit/-/1895020/12393940/-/j4yygvz/-/)

Still can't answer the question huh? What is your candidate's foreign policy? The American people agree, getting Osama Bin Laden was a pretty big accomplishment.

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ijusluvit:

PS....quoting you:

"As in the past this post rings with a high emotional tone, suggesting you are upset and frustrated with the President's action or inaction."

You are free to interpret what ever you please. However when you (or anybody else) tries to present either me or what I said differently than I said or intended, I am compelled to respond.

emotional tone...wrong...that is me talking!
upset...not even close!!!
frustrated, bingo, wrong again!!!

Makes a nice back drop and introduction for your post. It just happens to be off base and wrong.

I say what I think and believe based on my knowledge and experience.
I have many years experience in measuring executive performance.

What you and many like you may not care for is frank and no nonsense response to non performance.

Offer your opinion but please refrain from measuring who I am or how I feel. You may may not like what I have to say that is fine. Don't pretend to think you know me, or how I feel about anything.

btk

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What is wrong with a visit to the troops on May 1, 2012? Sounds like a gutsy move for the President. On bin Laden anniversary, Romney ‘applauds’ Obama | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/05/01/on-bin-laden-anniversary-romney-applauds-obama/) Obama flies to Afghanistan, signs pact with Karzai | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/01/obama-in-afghanistan-to-sign-security-pact/)

nothing wrong with a visit to the troops on 5/1/12 - as long as it does not come off like a dance in the end zone [wish i knew who said that] or a campaign stop! he could have accomplished the visit over skype.

but i hardly call this trip "gutsy"...to me, gutsy would be taking on congress and getting a budget passed instead of letting it be pushed off until after nov's elections - god forbid the american voter know where the pres or any member of congress really stands re a budget! gutsy would be formulating and implementing a policy on immigration instead of telling immigrants the republicans won't work with me - there is no proposal to work with! gutsy would be getting out of his social reformer mindset of redistributing my wealth and deal with a tax code for the 21st century!

the president and the congressional sheep - all of them - have to wave a tennis racket to display any guts!

posting on this political forum takes more guts than anyone in federal elected office can muster!

Get Rid of Incumbent Politicians!
GRIP

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From Michael Mukasey WSJ 5/1/2012 "Arbraham Lincoln on the day following Robert E Lee's surrender delivered from the window of the White House mentioned NOT his achievments but instead looked forward to the difficulties of reconstruction and called for black sufferage, a call that would doom him as a memeber of that audience (John wilkes Booth) muttered he has just delievered his last speech." Lincoln took responsibility in August 1862 failures of General George McClellan , eventually sacked for incompetence and Secretary Edwin Stanton. Lincoln told a crowd that McClellan was not at fault for seeking more than Stanton could give and "I stand here,as justice requires me to do, to take upon myself what has been carged upon the Secretary of War."

Dwight Eisenhower penned a statement to be issued in anticipation of the failure of the Normandy invasion that read in part: "My decision to attack at this time and place was based on the best information available." "The troops, the air and the Navy did all that bravery and devotion to duty could do. If any blame attaches to the attempt it is mine alone."

A week later when it was apparent the invasion was an apparent success Eisenhower saluted the Allied Expedtionary Forces. One week ago..........
High was my preinvasion confidence in your courage , skill and effectiveness.....your accomplishments......have exceeded my brightest hopes. I truly congratulate you.........I am proud of you."

George W Bush also had occassin to announce a triumph of intelligence: the capture of Saddam Hussien. He called the success a tribute to the men and women now serving in Iraq. He attributed it to the superb work of the intelligenc community and to skill and bravery of our fighting force Like eiswenhower he lso mentioned himself Today, on behalf of the nation I thank the member of the Armed forces and I congratulate them

The intelligence community knew in early 2010 the location of bin Laden. Prior to issuing the order to strike in 2011 Obama made it clear that if the mission went wrong the fault would fall with Admiral McRaven who had the main decision making operational control of this mission."

What the bin Laden situation really delinates, to me, is the lack of presidential breeding. As the old saw goes you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
I am not trying to be unkind here what some people see as arrogance or ego centric I view as attributed to the fact that Obama never had the long term opporutnity to become presidential. In the corporate world it is termed the "Peter Principle." It certainly explains Obama's continue use of "I" and "me"

:shrug: :what: ;)

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Why are republicans so mad that Osama bin Laden is dead?

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now the President gets criticized for visiting the troops. What a joke some of you are. He is the Commander in Chief,he should be visiting troops,it's part of his job. Skype them? You can't be serious.

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What is wrong with a visit to the troops on May 1, 2012? Sounds like a gutsy move for the President. On bin Laden anniversary, Romney ‘applauds’ Obama | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/05/01/on-bin-laden-anniversary-romney-applauds-obama/) Obama flies to Afghanistan, signs pact with Karzai | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/01/obama-in-afghanistan-to-sign-security-pact/)

Ha, ha, ha, ha.........you crack me up. Did you actually say that with a straight face..........oooo, ha,ha,ha. That's rich.

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Still can't answer the question huh? What is your candidate's foreign policy? The American people agree, getting Osama Bin Laden was a pretty big accomplishment.

My candidate is not President. Your President is a joke. People are going to be pretty fed up with this OBL handstand. I think what he's doing is great for Romney.

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Richie, my misinformed US citizen, President Barack Obama is YOUR president, too. Your candidate is not the president at this time. It is entirely possible Mr. Romney will win but until that time, YOUR president is Barack Obama.

You may think he is a joke - after all, we all had Junior Bush around to laugh at until January 20, 2009.

"Mission Accomplished - on President Obama's Watch"

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To be fair I'm sure George W would have got bin Laden, if he hadn't been so preoccupied with locating Saddam's super colossal secret stash of WMDs. Did he ever find those??


Did someone really reply with a "Bite me"? I don't think I've heard that since grade school.

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ijusluvit...you write it the way you prefer to read/think/speak.
I will continue to do like wise.

I will stick with my Christmas Tree light example....everything to do it is has been in motion for years....whoever is in office at the time gets to throw the switch.

I will give Obama as much credit for the action as his supporters will give Bush. That should make it easy for all...eh?

btk

Of course you can write what you wish!

But in this case, the facts are that the real bin Laden hunt occurred during the current President's term. HE decided to approve acting on the intelligence which was zeroing in on bin Laden for several months. In the final days, HE approved the type of action to be taken. In the last hour HE gave the order to continue, despite the hesitance of some advisors and the heavy responsibility of serious risks to those involved. All of these decisions are unquestionably the exercise of leadership. Again, you may disagree with the decisions made, and call it bad leadership, but that does not change the fact that it was the exercise of leadership.

And for goodness sake, let's stick to your original point and leave the media and Bush out of this.

Com'on, I'll bet you actually agree with Obama's decisions in this matter. If so, why not give him a teeny bit of credit?

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Richie, my misinformed US citizen, President Barack Obama is YOUR president, too. Your candidate is not the president at this time. It is entirely possible Mr. Romney will win but until that time, YOUR president is Barack Obama.

You may think he is a joke - after all, we all had Junior Bush around to laugh at until January 20, 2009.

"Mission Accomplished - on President Obama's Watch"

I reject the leadership of the current occupier of the "people's house". It's my right as a free human being.

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Of course you can write what you wish!

But in this case, the facts are that the real bin Laden hunt occurred during the current President's term. HE decided to approve acting on the intelligence which was zeroing in on bin Laden for several months. In the final days, HE approved the type of action to be taken. In the last hour HE gave the order to continue, despite the hesitance of some advisors and the heavy responsibility of serious risks to those involved. All of these decisions are unquestionably the exercise of leadership. Again, you may disagree with the decisions made, and call it bad leadership, but that does not change the fact that it was the exercise of leadership.

And for goodness sake, let's stick to your original point and leave the media and Bush out of this.

Com'on, I'll bet you actually agree with Obama's decisions in this matter. If so, why not give him a teeny bit of credit?

ijusluvit - and you know the hilighted information to be fact - how? do you seriously NOT think that a real hunt for obl did not take place until obama started one?

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I think I felt a wave of dizziness come over me....an Obama supporter actually pleading to leave Bush out of the discussion.

Wait a minute I will be right back. I am going out to see if hell is freezing over!

The hunt for OBL has been underway since long before Obama. Yes the right opportunity finally came along....has nothing to do with Obama, it is merely a time sensitive incident...as in it was only a matter of time until he was eliminated...only a matter of time.

He does not get credit for the initiative to pursue OBL. Like the many other things Obama claims to have "inherited", he inherited the hunt for OBL.

Yes, I will give credit where and when it is due. It did happen on his watch.

Related to the subject: His current flaunting the event in the ruse of the anniversary celebration of the event is an example of his self centered need to flaunt the office. The constant reminding us when he does something like saying....as commander in chief I.....there is no need to remind the troops he is talking to of the rank of his office!!! But HE NEEDS IT!

And that is why it is very hard to acknowledge some of the good things he does as most everything is measured in terms of what is in it for him.

That is how I see it!!

btk

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ijusluvit - and you know the hilighted information to be fact - how? do you seriously NOT think that a real hunt for obl did not take place until obama started one?

What I meant was that previous efforts to find bin Laden proved fruitless until some solid information surfaced while tracking one of his couriers two to three years ago. The whole 'hunt' story's been public for a long time.

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I think I felt a wave of dizziness come over me....an Obama supporter actually pleading to leave Bush out of the discussion.

Wait a minute I will be right back. I am going out to see if hell is freezing over!

The hunt for OBL has been underway since long before Obama. Yes the right opportunity finally came along....has nothing to do with Obama, it is merely a time sensitive incident...as in it was only a matter of time until he was eliminated...only a matter of time.

He does not get credit for the initiative to pursue OBL. Like the many other things Obama claims to have "inherited", he inherited the hunt for OBL.

Yes, I will give credit where and when it is due. It did happen on his watch.

Related to the subject: His current flaunting the event in the ruse of the anniversary celebration of the event is an example of his self centered need to flaunt the office. The constant reminding us when he does something like saying....as commander in chief I.....there is no need to remind the troops he is talking to of the rank of his office!!! But HE NEEDS IT!

And that is why it is very hard to acknowledge some of the good things he does as most everything is measured in terms of what is in it for him.

That is how I see it!!

btk

Now here's a post I can agree with.

You've given Obama credit for the leadership he exercised in this case. Now that wasn't so bad was it?

(somehow I can picture you holding your nose though)

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Once again you have represented something other than what I said or intended to say:

You stated:
"You've given Obama credit for the leadership he exercised in this case."

I stated:
"Yes, I will give credit where and when it is due. It did happen on his watch."

In no way is there ANY intention on my part to: "...given Obama credit for the leadership he exercised..."

Obama gets the credit for authorizing the mission...the leadership was 100% within the military...

That is how I said it and how I see it!!

btk

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Did someone really reply with a "Bite me"? I don't think I've heard that since grade school.

Someone sure did. Someone who always criticizes liberals for being childish. :cus:

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BTK is sure a talented guy. He can type out of two sides of his mouth. Praising President Obama and demonizing at the same time. Good job!


As far as Pres. Obama flying to Afghanistan on the 1 year mark of bin Laden's death and a visit to the troops, that was absolutely great. It sure was a lot better than Juniior Bush flying in a military jet fighter to use a US aircraft carrier as a photo op to declare the war was over although it cost over 4,000 MORE American lives from that point. What a maroon that guy was!

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BTK is sure a talented guy. He can type out of two sides of his mouth. Praising President Obama and demonizing at the same time. Good job!


As far as Pres. Obama flying to Afghanistan on the 1 year mark of bin Laden's death and a visit to the troops, that was absolutely great. It sure was a lot better than Juniior Bush flying in a military jet fighter to use a US aircraft carrier as a photo op to declare the war was over although it cost over 4,000 MORE American lives from that point. What a maroon that guy was!

Bush seemed to be a lot more intelligent than he came off. Kind of a really interesting take on Being There would you not say? I had always thought, however, that it was really Dick Cheney though who was pulling many of Bush, Jr.s strings.

At least, Mitt Romney as well as Barack Obama look like men who would not be controlled by overbearing Vice Presidents. Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency | washingtonpost.com (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/cheney/)

Did get the impression though that if Sarah Palin became VP she would have given John McCain a Cheney like lesson in back seat driving.

Back to the subject of the thread, there were terrorists attacks in Afghanistan not very long after the President left. It does take a lot of courage to go into an active war zone like that. Taliban Launch Deadly Attack On Kabul Hours After Obama Visit (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/taliban-launch-deadly-att_n_1469716.html)

And also on Obama's recent trip, John McCain praised it. John McCain Praises Obama For Afghanistan Trip (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/01/john-mccain-obama-afghanistan-_n_1468999.html)

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Quote:

"BTK is sure a talented guy. He can type out of two sides of his mouth."

I suppose I could look at your post as a compliment to achieving a politicians capability or a partisan panderer's select ability to be on the correct side of everything.

Since that is not likely we'll just go with the norm of you being wrong again as per usual.

btk

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Jon Stewart of The Daily Show exposes the blatant hypocrisy of the Republicans. Hilarious!!

Victory Lapse - The Anniversary of Osama bin Laden's Death - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 05/01/12 - Video Clip | Comedy Central (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-1-2012/victory-lapse---the-anniversary-of-osama-bin-laden-s-death)

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Jon Stewart of The Daily Show exposes the blatant hypocrisy of the Republicans. Hilarious!!

Victory Lapse - The Anniversary of Osama bin Laden's Death - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 05/01/12 - Video Clip | Comedy Central (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-1-2012/victory-lapse---the-anniversary-of-osama-bin-laden-s-death)

The issue is not whether Obama actually did the tough thing, and also the right thing; he did. But he seems to claim full credit for the deed, as if he changed some policy that made the location of Osama bin Laden a higher priority for the intelligence community, or gave them additional resources which led to finding him, or did anything beyond the job of Commander in Chief in ordering the SEALs to do the job. He didn't.

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What I meant was that previous efforts to find bin Laden proved fruitless until some solid information surfaced while tracking one of his couriers two to three years ago. The whole 'hunt' story's been public for a long time.

can't agree with you that 'previous efforts to find bin laden proved fruitless'.

might you agree that previous efforts to find obl brought the military closer and closer and to the point that a courier's name became known which allowed for greater tracking

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Jon Stewart of The Daily Show exposes the blatant hypocrisy of the Republicans. Hilarious!!

Victory Lapse - The Anniversary of Osama bin Laden's Death - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 05/01/12 - Video Clip | Comedy Central (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-1-2012/victory-lapse---the-anniversary-of-osama-bin-laden-s-death)

That's great. Very funny.

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The issue is not whether Obama actually did the tough thing, and also the right thing; he did. But he seems to claim full credit for the deed, as if he changed some policy that made the location of Osama bin Laden a higher priority for the intelligence community, or gave them additional resources which led to finding him, or did anything beyond the job of Commander in Chief in ordering the SEALs to do the job. He didn't.

Bucco, you're just like BTK on this matter. You just can't recognize effective, appropriate leadership cleanly. There has to be the 'yeah buts'.

You've seen the endless sound bites of Obama crediting everyone under the sun for their roles in the bin Laden mission. Why do you ignore all of that with the sweeping generalization: "...he seems to claim full credit for the deed".

If you keep claiming stuff like this, can you back it up with his actual quotes which diminish or discount Obama's previous recognition and thank yous to so many?

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Bucco, you're just like BTK on this matter. You just can't recognize effective, appropriate leadership cleanly. There has to be the 'yeah buts'.

You've seen the endless sound bites of Obama crediting everyone under the sun for their roles in the bin Laden mission. Why do you ignore all of that with the sweeping generalization: "...he seems to claim full credit for the deed".

If you keep claiming stuff like this, can you back it up with his actual quotes which diminish or discount Obama's previous recognition and thank yous to so many?

With all due respect, what "claim" have I made to "diminsh" the actions of last year ?

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With all due respect, what "claim" have I made to "diminsh" the actions of last year ?

"Earth to Bucco............."

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ijusluvit:

your statement in reference to me in your response to bucco:

"You just can't recognize effective, appropriate leadership cleanly."

merely means I do not agree with your view of leadership. My success in corporate America was exactly due to being able to "recognize effective, appropriate leadership cleanly". And.....taking action when it was not present. Just because a person holds the office or the title does not entitle them to be called a leader. They must deliver and demonstrate, consistently, to be qualified as a leader. Politicians by their very glad hand, say anything pedigree are not consistent, and boy oh boy do they make promises unkept.

My measure of Obama's leadership capability is not isolated to one event.
Some very few POTUS were real leaders, however Obama is a typical politician making promises he either never intended to deliver on....or just didn't deliver.

You have your view of leadership and I have mine. Did you (and select others) ever try to agree to disagree without the snipping and carping about those who differ from your stance?

btk

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"Earth to Bucco............."

A part of my quote from this thread

"The issue is not whether Obama actually did the tough thing, and also the right thing; he did."

The other post I made on this thread and one I want to make even clearer...

THIS stuff is not about what happened LAST YEAR....I, and others, extended kudos on that....this thread and the comments on here are a result of THIS YEARS activities

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Bucco, you're just like BTK on this matter. You just can't recognize effective, appropriate leadership cleanly. There has to be the 'yeah buts'.

You've seen the endless sound bites of Obama crediting everyone under the sun for their roles in the bin Laden mission. Why do you ignore all of that with the sweeping generalization: "...he seems to claim full credit for the deed".

If you keep claiming stuff like this, can you back it up with his actual quotes which diminish or discount Obama's previous recognition and thank yous to so many?


To respond with all due respect because I find a continuing narrative on this particular subject to be objectionable, but the ad using the event for political purpose...and it was not simply a backdrop but used the act in concert with mentioning his opponent.....I found that very distasteful.

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The Presidential campaign this year is going to be very negative from both the Democrats and Republicans. In Florida, we are probably going to be seeing political ads ad nauseam on television since Florida is a swing state.

The real winners will be the television stations selling advertising time to the political parties. The losers will be us, the viewers, who have to listen to the bickering and false claims from both parties.

My advice is to read online papers on both liberal and conservative sides and hopefully we will get the right person in office - Barack Obama or Mitt Romney.

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I suspect most voters have already made up their minds - even those who tell others they are "undecided".

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I suspect most voters have already made up their minds - even those who tell others they are "undecided".

Have to see what happens during the Presidential and Vice Presidential debates to make up my mind on whom to vote for this November. Mitt Romney's pick for VP will be critical for me. I voted Republican in 2000 and 2004. Barack Obama got my vote in 2008 but that was mainly because of John McCain's pick of Sarah Palin as VP. I did not much like John Kerry in 2004. Did really like John Edwards back then. Have no admiration for John Edwards now though.

I really liked John McCain though. He would have made a good President if he had picked a little more carefully in his choice for VP.

Also, want to do more reading about President Barack Obama's Chicago days. TOTVers keep bringing this up. On a personal note, my supervisor while I was at the U of MN Law School Library for most of the time I was there was Lyonette Louis-Jacques. She was a Haitiian and very black. She left for the U of Chicago Law Library around 1991(?). Could not really say what her politics were though and doubt if she had many interactions with Professor Barack Obama when he was at the U of Chicago Law School. Althouse: Barack Obama at the University of Chicago Law School. (http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/07/barack-obama-at-university-of-chicago.html)

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Have to see what happens during the Presidential and Vice Presidential debates to make up my mind on whom to vote for this November. Mitt Romney's pick for VP will be critical for me. I voted Republican in 2000 and 2004. Barack Obama got my vote in 2008 but that was mainly because of John McCain's pick of Sarah Palin as VP. I did not much like John Kerry in 2004. Did really like John Edwards back then. Have no admiration for John Edwards now though.

Also, want to do more reading about President Barack Obama's Chicago days. TOTVers keep bringing this up.

I agree that the Republican VP candidate will either make or break them. If they go for a nutjob like Sarah Palin was - they will be losing big time. Find a moderate conservative and they have a fair chance of winning.

John Edwards was always a bit too smarmy for me. His background as a personal injury lawyer just turned me off completely. I have known several lawyers who have been ambulance chasers and all of them are kind of slimy.

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I agree that the Republican VP candidate will either make or break them. If they go for a nutjob like Sarah Palin was - they will be losing big time. Find a moderate conservative and they have a fair chance of winning.

John Edwards was always a bit too smarmy for me. His background as a personal injury lawyer just turned me off completely. I have known several lawyers who have been ambulance chasers and all of them are kind of slimy.

Most of the lawyers I have known to have been kind of slimy as well. Not the law students nor most of the law professors. That's academia. But, the lawyers I interacted with on Findlaw's message boards for about 4 years (2000-2004 or so) often did not play all that much by the rules.

My parents played bridge with Mills Lane and his wife when we lived in Reno, NV. He seemed like a good man. His wife was a very attractive blonde who was about a foot taller than he was. He was a TV judge, prosecutor, as well as the boxing referee from the Tyson/Holyfield fight. Holyfield-Tyson II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyfield-Tyson_II) Mills Lane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mills_Lane)