I know the flak I am going to get....

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but in this country...

You can now acceptably sleep with anyone you want and if you get pregnant get yourself an abortion and rid yourself of the child.

Single parenthood is now totally accepted almost as the norm.

Our divorce rate is better than 50% and climbing

Now, it appears that we will allow gay marriages. And allow me to add lest you think I am over reacting the Democratic Party has now pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which would subject every state to the redefinition of marriage by a judge without ever allowing the people to vote on the matter. Our Justice Department will not even go to court to defend this law of the land, which has become the norm recently.

It seems to me that the foolish folks here are us folks who got married. What was the point of that and certainly why bother in the future.


Of course as the movement is gaining speed on legalizing dope (marijuana) we can really be happy beings.

All this in the name of social justice ?

Probably just me, but I think the fabric of this country is becoming unraveled and with great speed. If there is anything that requires any personal discipline, let us attack it and make it legal and then we do not need to worry.

In addition to the above, it is now acceptable to verbally accuse the successful of not being fair, it has become the accepted thing to depend on the government for whatever you need and please don't feel guilty about that.

Yeah, in most of your worlds that makes me old fashioned and a few other names that I am sure are coming...well, let me say that despite your disgust with me, I am proud of it. I may have reached the point where I don t care any longer about the issues because our complete soical fabric, the one that made this country great is dying very quickly !

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but in this country...

You can now acceptably sleep with anyone you want and if you get pregnant get yourself an abortion and rid yourself of the child.

Single parenthood is now totally accepted almost as the norm.

Our divorce rate is better than 50% and climbing

Now, it appears that we will allow gay marriages. And allow me to add lest you think I am over reacting the Democratic Party has now pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which would subject every state to the redefinition of marriage by a judge without ever allowing the people to vote on the matter. Our Justice Department will not even go to court to defend this law of the land, which has become the norm recently.

It seems to me that the foolish folks here are us folks who got married. What was the point of that and certainly why bother in the future.


Of course as the movement is gaining speed on legalizing dope (marijuana) we can really be happy beings.

All this in the name of social justice ?

Probably just me, but I think the fabric of this country is becoming unraveled and with great speed. If there is anything that requires any personal discipline, let us attack it and make it legal and then we do not need to worry.

In addition to the above, it is now acceptable to verbally accuse the successful of not being fair, it has become the accepted thing to depend on the government for whatever you need and please don't feel guilty about that.

Yeah, in most of your worlds that makes me old fashioned and a few other names that I am sure are coming...well, let me say that despite your disgust with me, I am proud of it. I may have reached the point where I don t care any longer about the issues because our complete soical fabric, the one that made this country great is dying very quickly !

The last I heard 30 States define marriage as between a man and a woman. It would take a Federal Constitutional Amendment to annul the votes of people in those states. Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States)

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The last I heard 30 States define marriage as between a man and a woman. It would take a Federal Constitutional Amendment to annul the votes of people in those states.

As I said, it is NOT used or defended now and the Democrats intend to rid us of that pesky thing

"Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee voted Thursday to repeal the federal law that defines marriage as between one man and one woman.

The vote that sends the proposal to the full Senate floor was considered symbolic because the measure has no chance of getting passed by the Republican-led House."

This from last year...they are just a waiting until the win enough elections

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As I said, it is NOT used or defended now and the Democrats intend to rid us of that pesky thing

"Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee voted Thursday to repeal the federal law that defines marriage as between one man and one woman.

The vote that sends the proposal to the full Senate floor was considered symbolic because the measure has no chance of getting passed by the Republican-led House."

This from last year...they are just a waiting until the win enough elections

Same-sex marriage law in the United States by state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_law_in_the_United_States_by_state)

Federal law-- Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act)

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The Hollywood community had inititated a major offensive sometime ago concerning homosexuals since the community is overloaded with them. You can't watch a movie or television show that doesn't address this issue in positives terms suggesting it is just another lifestyle. Liberal educators are brainwashing kids including recently having a "Day of Silence" to show their support for homosexuals. Schools won't allow prayer but they can have a day of silence.

Liberals are using intimidation tactics to force corporation to their way of thinking and boycott them if they advance such issues as DOMA.

Clearly we continue down the road of moral decay and once the federal government forces this issue the homosexual community will move their agenda from being an alternate lifestyle to a preferred lifestyle. I opine you decide

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...with all that you said, Bucco. But until the majority of the people in this country, this society, want something different, then the direction we're headed probably won't change.

Our social values reflect those of 'most' people and until we choose a system of government which doesn't reflect the feelings, the beliefs and the desires of the majority, then it's not likely to change.

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...with all that you said, Bucco. But until the majority of the people in this country, this society, want something different, then the direction we're headed probably won't change.

Our social values reflect those of 'most' people and until we choose a system of government which doesn't reflect the feelings, the beliefs and the desires of the majority, then it's not likely to change.

If my reading is correct, if congress repeals the same defense of marriage act, the right of citizens in a state goes away.....that is what I have read so far but going out again to check more.

I BELIEVE WHAT I SAY ABOVE IS WRONG....Still checking the impact on referendums

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And don't forget, in Florida, you're also free to shoot and kill most anyone and claim you were only standing your ground. Is this a great country or what?

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...with all that you said, Bucco. But until the majority of the people in this country, this society, want something different, then the direction we're headed probably won't change.

Our social values reflect those of 'most' people and until we choose a system of government which doesn't reflect the feelings, the beliefs and the desires of the majority, then it's not likely to change.

Let me agree with you VK...nice to agree with some calmness :)

My problem is the flak on this forum on this subject today...and the conversation I had with another poster along with some joyful posts praising this as wonderful for civil rights.

Just got me to thinking....why do I even care what happens...it appears that it makes no difference. I used to be a liberal.....worked hard for them in official capacities...not just a volunteer. I supported most of the Democrat party stood for and then it changed. You just had the sense that this party would support anything that would get votes whether they believed it or not. That they would "give away the store" if they stayed in power.

I left the party at that point....really was difficult to become a Republican and anyway, today got me to thinking...how things change. The Democrats now calling that on the Republicans and people believe it. That led me to thinking about all that has been done.....all the basic structures of society that have been totally destroyed with the BACKING AND SUPPORT of this party and liberal movement and I just got depressed. Thus my post....and when you see people who rejoice in this destruction of the very fiber of this country on the basis of civil rights, it really has an effect on you.

I just do not know if there is an answer. One party wants NO discipline so that you are dependent on them and that is more scary to me than a party who wants to wind back the clock a bit. I have said many times, I can vote either party.....I dont need the party to tell me what to do and perhaps I am just in a bad mood today. I am in Tampa again and had a small encounter with a few of the Occupy folks who were standing in front of the Bank of America building protesting (and standing in the walkway by the way)..then this exchange I had on here...and then the President and finding that the Dems want to take the Defense of Marriage act down...just is depressing.

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If you had listened to the president speak today, you would have heard him say that same-sex marriage is a state issue.

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The last I heard 30 States define marriage as between a man and a woman. It would take a Federal Constitutional Amendment to annul the votes of people in those states. Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States)

Not necessarily. All it might take is one unelected federal judge to put a stay on it. Just like Proposition 8 in California.

The people's power can be usurped very easily.

Federal Appeals Court Rules Prop. 8 Ban On Same-Sex Marriage Unconstitutional « CBS San Francisco (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/02/07/150967/)

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Not necessarily. All it might take is one unelected federal judge to put a stay on it. Just like Proposition 8 in California.

The people's power can be usurped very easily.

Federal Appeals Court Rules Prop. 8 Ban On Same-Sex Marriage Unconstitutional « CBS San Francisco (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/02/07/150967/)


That's probably because of a poorly written law as well as rather liberal judges.

This is a state matter by in large. Doubt if the Congress would follow President Obama's lead either.

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And don't forget, in Florida, you're also free to shoot and kill most anyone and claim you were only standing your ground. Is this a great country or what?

The above may well make you feel good, and it is anecdotal (I suppose), however it is a total mis-representation of the law. And total disrespect/disregard for the 99%+ that follow the letter of the law.

A nasty cheap shot at I am not sure who, reflecting a bias no doubt.

btk

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If we make gay marriage legal what argument shall we use to prevent polygamy from becoming the law of the land?

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If we make gay marriage legal what argument shall we use to prevent polygamy from becoming the law of the land?

It could still be only legal to be married to one person only. Your worry is easily taken care of.

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It could still be only legal to be married to one person only. Your worry is easily taken care of.

If they argue for poligomy based on fairness or religous custom, what argument could we use? I understand it is illegal but so was sodomy. It might take a few steps but.......

What argument did they use to justify gay marrage? Think about it,

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This sure is a big 'ol crazy world. :smiley:

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Maybe if you'd listened to the stories of people who were beaten BY POLICE in Boston just for being gay, you might have more sympathy.

If you'd heard the stories of gays and lesbians being denied the same basic rights that you and I have come to accept without thinking, you might have more sympathy.

I used to think along the same lines, opposing gay marriage - it seemed ridiculous to me when I first heard about it. But I kept an open mind and my position has most certainly changed.

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Maybe if you'd listened to the stories of people who were beaten BY POLICE in Boston just for being gay, you might have more sympathy.
While accepting that this type of bigotry is more common in the Northeast than it is here in Florida, when did this last occur?

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While accepting that this type of bigotry is more common in the Northeast than it is here in Florida, when did this last occur?

This is from Florida from last year. My guess is that this kind of bigotry is more common in the South than in the Northeast.

"a freshman at Flagler Palm Coast High School, began receiving death threats over Facebook from a classmate, who said he’d carry *** out in a body bag. The school assured **** and his family they’d keep him safe, and remove the student from the school. That was a lie, *** explains himself, as was the notion of safety: his own shop teacher ****** began targeting **** over his sexuality." (quote from story linked below)

Full story here: Luke Herbert: ‘It’s Time To Fight Back’ Against Schools That Don’t Protect LGBT Students / Queerty (http://www.queerty.com/luke-herbert-its-time-to-fight-back-against-schools-that-dont-protect-lgbt-students-20110408/#ixzz1uTxX07C4)

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Coming out of the closet is one thing. But to pump it up and make like it is as OK as what has been held sacred since the beginning of time.

Some things are just better left alone and I believe this is one of them.

btk

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Coming out of the closet is one thing. But to pump it up and make like it is as OK as what has been held sacred since the beginning of time.

Some things are just better left alone and I believe this is one of them.

btk

Obama might just wish he did. But, he really didn't say anything substantial. He said that gays "should" be able to marry. He didn't say they have a "right".

He said the states have to handle it...............what courage.

He's also 3 years late, if you count Dick Cheney saying that, and more, in 2009.

Video of the Day: Dick Cheney Endorsing Gay Marriage in 2009 - Garance Franke-Ruta - Politics - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/video-of-the-day-dick-cheney-endorsing-gay-marriage-in-2009/256961/)

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This is from Florida from last year. My guess is that this kind of bigotry is more common in the South than in the Northeast.

"a freshman at Flagler Palm Coast High School, began receiving death threats over Facebook from a classmate, who said he’d carry *** out in a body bag. The school assured **** and his family they’d keep him safe, and remove the student from the school. That was a lie, *** explains himself, as was the notion of safety: his own shop teacher ****** began targeting **** over his sexuality." (quote from story linked below)

Full story here: Luke Herbert: ‘It’s Time To Fight Back’ Against Schools That Don’t Protect LGBT Students / Queerty (http://www.queerty.com/luke-herbert-its-time-to-fight-back-against-schools-that-dont-protect-lgbt-students-20110408/#ixzz1uTxX07C4)

I appreciate your reply, but you cite individual actions rather than those by police against homosexuals. If you wish to question that discrimination against homosexuals by law enforcement is more common in the north than it is in Florida, please cite specific actions.

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but in this country...

You can now acceptably sleep with anyone you want and if you get pregnant get yourself an abortion and rid yourself of the child.

Single parenthood is now totally accepted almost as the norm.

Our divorce rate is better than 50% and climbing

Now, it appears that we will allow gay marriages. And allow me to add lest you think I am over reacting the Democratic Party has now pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which would subject every state to the redefinition of marriage by a judge without ever allowing the people to vote on the matter. Our Justice Department will not even go to court to defend this law of the land, which has become the norm recently.

It seems to me that the foolish folks here are us folks who got married. What was the point of that and certainly why bother in the future.


Of course as the movement is gaining speed on legalizing dope (marijuana) we can really be happy beings.

All this in the name of social justice ?

Probably just me, but I think the fabric of this country is becoming unraveled and with great speed. If there is anything that requires any personal discipline, let us attack it and make it legal and then we do not need to worry.

In addition to the above, it is now acceptable to verbally accuse the successful of not being fair, it has become the accepted thing to depend on the government for whatever you need and please don't feel guilty about that........our complete soical fabric, the one that made this country great is dying very quickly !

The best illustration of your point I can think of is Patrick Buchanan's recent column, "Can a Geriatric Germany Save Europe?".......the Europe in which declining human reproduction is producing demographics not constituted by enough working taxpayers to sustain the ballooning government-dependent population.

Regardless of whether you believe in God or even nature, God and/or nature require human reproduction for continued existence of the human race. Defy God and nature, and you are doomed as a civilization!


See:

"Can a Geriatric Germany Save Europe?"

"As Greece lurches on the precipice of default on its sovereign debt, a default that could bring down banks across Europe and precipitate a global financial panic, a consensus is building that there is but one way out.

First, a structured default on the Greek debt, giving creditors a major haircut, but compensating them with eurobonds of half the face value of the Greek bonds, guaranteed by the European Central Bank.

Second, a huge new European Financial Stabilization Facility of trillions of euros to recapitalize stricken banks and buy up the sovereign debt of Portugal, Italy, Ireland and Spain, should private investors flee their bonds.

Such a solution, however, depends upon Germany, the richest nation in Europe and major contributor to the ECB.

Hard-money Germans, however, do not relish bailing out the deadbeat nations of Club Med who have more generous welfare states than their own.

Politically, it may not be possible to cajole or coerce the Germans, indefinitely, into saving the eurozone, the collapse of which could bring on a depression and bring down the European Union itself.

There is another reason the European Monetary Union and EU may be headed for the boneyard: demography.

Looking over the 2008 World Population Prospects from the United Nations’ Department of Economic and Social Affairs, one finds that the nation which is to carry Europe back to solvency is aging, shrinking and dying..."

Can a Geriatric Germany Save Europe? » Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website (http://buchanan.org/blog/can-a-geriatric-germany-save-europe-4884)

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The best illustration of your point I can think of is Patrick Buchanan's recent column, "Can a Geriatric Germany Save Europe?".......the Europe in which declining human reproduction is producing demographics not constituted by enough working taxpayers to sustain the ballooning government-dependent population.

Regardless of whether you believe in God or even nature, God and/or nature require human reproduction for continued existence of the human race. Defy God and nature, and you are doomed as a civilization!


See:

"Can a Geriatric Germany Save Europe?"

"As Greece lurches on the precipice of default on its sovereign debt, a default that could bring down banks across Europe and precipitate a global financial panic, a consensus is building that there is but one way out.

First, a structured default on the Greek debt, giving creditors a major haircut, but compensating them with eurobonds of half the face value of the Greek bonds, guaranteed by the European Central Bank.

Second, a huge new European Financial Stabilization Facility of trillions of euros to recapitalize stricken banks and buy up the sovereign debt of Portugal, Italy, Ireland and Spain, should private investors flee their bonds.

Such a solution, however, depends upon Germany, the richest nation in Europe and major contributor to the ECB.

Hard-money Germans, however, do not relish bailing out the deadbeat nations of Club Med who have more generous welfare states than their own.

Politically, it may not be possible to cajole or coerce the Germans, indefinitely, into saving the eurozone, the collapse of which could bring on a depression and bring down the European Union itself.

There is another reason the European Monetary Union and EU may be headed for the boneyard: demography.

Looking over the 2008 World Population Prospects from the United Nations’ Department of Economic and Social Affairs, one finds that the nation which is to carry Europe back to solvency is aging, shrinking and dying..."

Can a Geriatric Germany Save Europe? » Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website (http://buchanan.org/blog/can-a-geriatric-germany-save-europe-4884)


Thanks for a very thoughtful link. I just read it and will save it for further reading. Anyone who reads it will have lightbulbs going off I believe.

I pass on the final sentence of so to all readers so that MAYBE...MAYBE people will being to think...

"To the south, the exploding Muslim populations of the Maghreb and the Middle East appear ready to come and help out."

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Thanks for a very thoughtful link. I just read it and will save it for further reading. Anyone who reads it will have lightbulbs going off I believe.

I pass on the final sentence of so to all readers so that MAYBE...MAYBE people will being to think...

"To the south, the exploding Muslim populations of the Maghreb and the Middle East appear ready to come and help out."

And to that I will add, take a look at world birth rates and see where European and other western nations are on the list:

World Birth Rates - Country Comparison:
Birth rate - Country Comparison (http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=tu&v=25)