Street parking

[Bill32]

Received this information from my neighbor....

Sumter County Sheriff's office ( 352 793-0222 )

Per Brad Arnold, Sumter County Supervisor ( 352 689-4400)

Ordnance, Chapter 17, section 0-29, division 1

No parking in or on any county road or street or right of way in the unincorporated area of Sumter county.

So after reading this, and my neighbor confirmed with the supervisor, anyone parking on a county street in The Villages is subject to a citation.

The reason he made this inquiry of Sumter county is because the Villages doesn't have Jurisdiction any more. We have a neighbor that parks a ratty white pickup truck in front of his house just to annoy people. ( not commercial plates) Also the width of the streets in the neighborhood aren't designed for street parking.

Most people are reasonable and have no problem with with campers and motor homes loading and unloading but to have vehicles parked regularly in the streets would be dangerous and unsightly. One of the main attractions for us was a community with deed restrictions so we don't end up living in a town like we left.

So I can assume, yes assume, that if we have a problem with someone abusing street parking ( not occasional guests) we can call the Sumter County Sheriff's office to file a complaint.

If anyone has better information please post.

[villages07]

Bill....I understand the intent but the absolute nature of the statement will make it difficult to enforce. Yep, the guy that parks the pickup on the street every night is violating the intent of the law. But the lawn care guy who parks out front for 20 minutes is also technically violating,and he doesn't have much choice where to park. No one should park such that other vehicles can't get by.

I will be curious to hear if the Sumter rule is really that absolute.

[rhood]

Is the Villages an unincorporated area ? ? Seems like the historic section is but that is in Lake County. How about the rest of the Villages?

Can you define what unincorporated areas you are talking about.

[thekeithfan]

Bill....I understand the intent but the absolute nature of the statement will make it difficult to enforce. Yep, the guy that parks the pickup on the street every night is violating the intent of the law. But the lawn care guy who parks out front for 20 minutes is also technically violating,and he doesn't have much choice where to park. No one should park such that other vehicles can't get by.

I will be curious to hear if the Sumter rule is really that absolute.

The lawn care guy can park there he has commercial plates. They pay more for more rights like parking in the street to work.

[villages07]

The lawn care guy can park there he has commercial plates. They pay more for more rights like parking in the street to work.

Didn't know that, Keith. Bad example, I guess.

OK, then your friends coming by for poker or mahjong who park cars on the Street for several hours. Would they be subject to a citation?

[eremite06]

Is the Villages an unincorporated area ? ? Seems like the historic section is but that is in Lake County. How about the rest of the Villages?

Can you define what unincorporated areas you are talking about.

First, is the Villages CDD considered unincorporated? I just read the full ordinance. Seems a ticket of $12.00 per day can be issued. I don't see this being enforced especially since all kinds of parking violations occur at LSL with cars and carts. IMHO.

[Bill32]

Is the Villages an unincorporated area ? ? Seems like the historic section is but that is in Lake County. How about the rest of the Villages?

Can you define what unincorporated areas you are talking about.

My neighbor questioned this and was told we are unincorporated.

[Bill32]

First, is the Villages CDD considered unincorporated? I just read the full ordinance. Seems a ticket of $12.00 per day can be issued. I don't see this being enforced especially since all kinds of parking violations occur at LSL with cars and carts. IMHO.

Like I said" someone abusing this" not the regular day to day activities. Something to be used for people overdoing this to the determent of our beautiful neighborhoods.

[Bill32]

The reason this got started was the neighbor parking a Massey truck in his driveway every day and night. The neighbor for months and months tried to get deed compliance to correct this. I believe they came many times to the house and informed him that if he put the truck in the garage it would be alright. Well the guy being very stubborn still refused. The neighbor finally started to call Massey to complain and eventually they took the truck away. Sooooooo...he goes out and buy's a old beat up white p/u truck and parks it as close to the neighbors driveway as he can and now the whole neighborhood has to deal with it! This is what I meant by abusing this, not the normal day to day activities.

[eremite06]

The reason this got started was the neighbor parking a Massey truck in his driveway every day and night. The neighbor for months and months tried to get deed compliance to correct this. I believe they came many times to the house and informed him that if he put the truck in the garage it would be alright. Well the guy being very stubborn still refused. The neighbor finally started to call Massey to complain and eventually they took the truck away. Sooooooo...he goes out and buy's a old beat up white p/u truck and parks it as close to the neighbors driveway as he can and now the whole neighborhood has to deal with it! This is what I meant by abusing this, not the normal day to day activities.

So I quess the resident who parks his county Medical Examiner van in his driveway every night is in violation as well? Have noticed this along my walking route in Belvedere.

[Bill32]

So I quess the resident who parks his county Medical Examiner van in his driveway every night is in violation as well? Have noticed this along my walking route in Belvedere.

I would think so. Just remember everyone what we moved from and what we have here. I for one wouldn't like vehicles parked all over the place, I like the neighborhoods as they are. Remember, be reasonable..........

[Bogie Shooter]

The reason this got started was the neighbor parking a Massey truck in his driveway every day and night. The neighbor for months and months tried to get deed compliance to correct this. I believe they came many times to the house and informed him that if he put the truck in the garage it would be alright. Well the guy being very stubborn still refused. The neighbor finally started to call Massey to complain and eventually they took the truck away. Sooooooo...he goes out and buy's a old beat up white p/u truck and parks it as close to the neighbors driveway as he can and now the whole neighborhood has to deal with it! This is what I meant by abusing this, not the normal day to day activities.

This guy is a jerk! (i was going to call him somethink else, but didn't want to offend anyone)

[Bill-n-Brillo]

This guy is a jerk! (i was going to call him somethink else, but didn't want to offend anyone)

Oh come on, Bogie - let 'er rip!!! :D

Bill :wave:

[Posh 08]

Is there no parking allowed in the driveways?

[Bogie Shooter]

Is there no parking allowed in the driveways?
See Declaration of Restrictions.
VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/deedrestrict-SumterCounty.aspx)

[Posh 08]

See Declaration of Restrictions.
VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/deedrestrict-SumterCounty.aspx)

Anybody have a simple yes or no? Not in mood for heavy reading, maybe later.

[lovsthosebigdogs]

Thank you Posh, exactly what I was wondering. The garage is looking smaller and smaller all the time.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

As a sample, here are the deed restrictions for S7-140 (District 7):

http://www.districtgov.org/images/DeedRestiction/sumter/District%207/S7-140.pdf

Refer to Section 2.9 on the 2nd page of the pdf - it outlines the vehicle and parking parameters.

These restrictions are not necessarily consistent/equivalent from District to District. They can even differ for Patio Villas and CYVs. You really need to determine where the home is in order to have the appropriate set of restrictions to review.

There was good discussion about a year ago on the topic of street parking:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/residents-parking-street-36575/

Peruse at your leisure if you so choose. Ultimately, deed compliance does not have jurisdiction over street parking, it seems - see post #42 in that thread. They're public streets. However, if the vehicle is impeding traffic, ie. large emergency vehicles would be unable to pass safely, then there would be an issue that could be addressed.

Again, take a gander at the thread and take any of the feedback there for what it's worth. It was a pretty lively and broad-based discussion!

Bill :)

[quirky3]

It's the rules for parking in driveways that seem unclear, and I did go into the recommended sample PDF but the word "driveway" is nowhere in that document.

If people own good condition working vehicles, is there any restriction to them parking those in their own driveway?

[zcaveman]

We had a guy that worked for an A/C company that parked his truck in his driveway. He was reporte several times by someone. He covered all of his business signs and logos with white magnetic sheets.

[CraigC]

Not in most of the courtyard villas. Not sure about other areas.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

It's the rules for parking in driveways that seem unclear, and I did go into the recommended sample PDF but the word "driveway" is nowhere in that document.

If people own good condition working vehicles, is there any restriction to them parking those in their own driveway?

quirky, you're right - 'driveway' is not explicitly mentioned. An interpretation: It states that various vehicles are not to be "parked, stored, or otherwise remain on any homesite or street"...... The homesite would also include the driveway.

JMHO - - -

Bill :)

[joannej]

As a sample, here are the deed restrictions for S7-140 (District 7):

http://www.districtgov.org/images/DeedRestiction/sumter/District%207/S7-140.pdf

Refer to Section 2.9 on the 2nd page of the pdf - it outlines the vehicle and parking parameters.

These restrictions are not necessarily consistent/equivalent from District to District. They can even differ for Patio Villas and CYVs. You really need to determine where the home is in order to have the appropriate set of restrictions to review.

There was good discussion about a year ago on the topic of street parking:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/residents-parking-street-36575/

Peruse at your leisure if you so choose. Ultimately, deed compliance does not have jurisdiction over street parking, it seems - see post #42 in that thread. They're public streets. However, if the vehicle is impeding traffic, ie. large emergency vehicles would be unable to pass safely, then there would be an issue that could be addressed.

Again, take a gander at the thread and take any of the feedback there for what it's worth. It was a pretty lively and broad-based discussion!

Bill :)
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In District Six, under Madison Courtyard Villas, street parking is not allowed. (Article 9) Vehicles must be parked in garages or in homeowner's driveways. Perhaps one of the reasons is that villa and courtyard villa streets are more narrow than other streets in the Villages. More of a chance to back into someone else's car parked in the streets. The driveways curve and this presents more of a danger when backing out of the driveway. Just fyi.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

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In District Six, under Madison Courtyard Villas, street parking is not allowed. (Article 9) Vehicles must be parked in garages or in homeowner's driveways. Perhaps one of the reasons is that villa and courtyard villa streets are more narrow than other streets in the Villages. More of a chance to back into someone else's car parked in the streets. The driveways curve and this presents more of a danger when backing out of the driveway. Just fyi.

Tough on some areas on villa streets for emergency vehicles to pass with cars parked in the streets. That seemed to be the defining item as to whether or not street parking was considered to be an issue.

And you're right - narrower streets in the villa areas make increases the potential for getting a street-parked car backed into! :D

Bill :)

[rhood]

Kind of a gray area regarding villa streets. I think they are private property owned by the district but also considered public streets. Not sure how that works regarding enforcement.

[KittyKat]

From what I read, it just says that 3/4 ton trucks, boats and RV's can NOT park in the driveway or street. I also know of a homeowner several streets over who has a power-washing business & was told he could not park the truck or his golf cart in his driveway because of the signage on them. I don't see where it says that people can't park their work trucks or vans. I don't like to see them parked in the driveway (we have a neighbor on the next street who parks a white van in driveway) but I really don't find anything in the restrictions unless I am just ignorant that a pickup or van is a 3/4 ton truck. :confused:

[KittyKat]

The reason this got started was the neighbor parking a Massey truck in his driveway every day and night. The neighbor for months and months tried to get deed compliance to correct this. I believe they came many times to the house and informed him that if he put the truck in the garage it would be alright. Well the guy being very stubborn still refused. The neighbor finally started to call Massey to complain and eventually they took the truck away. Sooooooo...he goes out and buy's a old beat up white p/u truck and parks it as close to the neighbors driveway as he can and now the whole neighborhood has to deal with it! This is what I meant by abusing this, not the normal day to day activities.

What Village is this in? The other night I entered the circle in the left inside lane to enter the Mallory gate and a guy in a Massey truck entered with me on the outside lane and continued around the circle! He was also speeding. I laid on my horn and was hoping to catch up to him after I went through the gate but he must have been going 45 mph! Sounds like the same jerk.

[joannej]

It is not a gray area where I live (Madison Courtyard Villas). No street parking is allowed and it is stated in deed restrictions posted on the website, and a copy of this was given to the homeowners when they purchased their homes. This info was also verified verbally in the office at the Villages that handles such matters. Others that live elsewhere should check out information for street parking regarding their home site under the District where they live. That website was previously posted on this subject (above).

[Posh 08]

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In District Six, under Madison Courtyard Villas, street parking is not allowed. (Article 9) Vehicles must be parked in garages or in homeowner's driveways. Perhaps one of the reasons is that villa and courtyard villa streets are more narrow than other streets in the Villages. More of a chance to back into someone else's car parked in the streets. The driveways curve and this presents more of a danger when backing out of the driveway. Just fyi.

Thanks!

[justjim]

Do you know or do you really care----Having deed restrictions is just one part of keeping The Villages a "nice" place to retire-----enforcement of these deed retrictions without "power of enforcement" appears to be a MAJOR PROBLEM here in The Villages. It appears that the Sumter County Sheriff's office (for the most part) could care less about enforcement of The Villages deed restrictions. As my mother use to say, "forget it son, in this world there are other bigger fish to fry".

[Bogie Shooter]

Do you know or do you really care----Having deed restrictions is just one part of keeping The Villages a "nice" place to retire-----enforcement of these deed retrictions without "power of enforcement" appears to be a MAJOR PROBLEM here in The Villages. It appears that the Sumter County Sheriff's office (for the most part) could care less about enforcement of The Villages deed restrictions. As my mother use to say, "forget it son, in this world there are other bigger fish to fry".

Districts 1-5 & Lady Lake/Lake County now have a process in place to enforce deed restrictions. My guess is the rest of the districts will assume the same process as build out continues.
I think you are correct that the sheriff has no authority when it comes to deed restrictions, as it is in most places. The districts have adopted recent changes to state law for enforcement of deed restrictions.
Here is the process now in place.
http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Standards/images/compliance-standards/District1-Matrix.pdf

[rhood]

Do you know or do you really care----Having deed restrictions is just one part of keeping The Villages a "nice" place to retire-----enforcement of these deed retrictions without "power of enforcement" appears to be a MAJOR PROBLEM here in The Villages. It appears that the Sumter County Sheriff's office (for the most part) could care less about enforcement of The Villages deed restrictions. As my mother use to say, "forget it son, in this world there are other bigger fish to fry".

Restrictions are an agreement between the district and the homeowner and just apply to the district and the nomeowner. Both parties agreed on certain things. If either party defaults, the other party can sue. That's "YOUR" power of enforcement. SCSO has nothing to do with it. SCSO enforces laws, not deed restrictions.

For example if your neighbor starts putting yard decorations in their front yard (a violation), you can sue the district for failing to enforce the restrictions that your neighbor agrees to in a legal document.