Proof of our "President's" foreign birth???

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The above is a pamphlet issued by Obama's literary agent in 1991. It would seem the cat is out of the bag...........wouldn't it??

The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii' (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii)

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http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad51/wakytimes/Obama-Column.png

The above is a pamphlet issued by Obama's literary agent in 1991. It would seem the cat is out of the bag...........wouldn't it??

The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii' (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii)

Great reading, isnt it ? He has lied about so many things...when do people wise up ! Never was a birther ever.....but the lying I was always on board !

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I have been consistent in my belief that Obama was not vetted properly and convinced that he has re-invented himself. He was not qualified to run as president. He has aggresively fuht to hide the truth. The liberal media is complcit in assisting Obama in this lie

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I have been consistent in my belief that Obama was not vetted properly and convinced that he has re-invented himself. He was not qualified to run as president. He has aggresively fuht to hide the truth. The liberal media is complcit in assisting Obama in this lie

I could not agree more ! The election of 2008 was and will be considered a huge black eye for the media !

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I see nothing new or factual about this tripe. Why don't you leave this trash alone and do what needs to be done with honest information about Romney and stop with the made up trash about Obama. This is just one more hoax spread by the gullible that the majority will see as complete nonsense and childish.

Silly boys.

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Orly Taitz is suspiciously quiet. Could this be another one of those socialist, communist, muslimist, moaist plots?

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I see nothing new or factual about this tripe. Why don't you leave this trash alone and do what needs to be done with honest information about Romney and stop with the made up trash about Obama. This is just one more hoax spread by the gullible that the majority will see as complete nonsense and childish.

Silly boys.

how is it that you do not see anything factual about this item? on what do you base your belief that this information is not honest? on what you you base your statement that this is a hoax? how will it be made known that the information is nonsense? do you think richielion made it up with pagemaker or some other desktop publishing software?

i'd love to read your answers/explanations.

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I see nothing new or factual about this tripe. Why don't you leave this trash alone and do what needs to be done with honest information about Romney and stop with the made up trash about Obama. This is just one more hoax spread by the gullible that the majority will see as complete nonsense and childish.

Silly boys.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ????????

Tell me where you saw this before ""born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii." ?

Tell me when you say it written by his LITERARY AGENT ?

It goes back to 1991,,,you never saw this before anywhere

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Which literary agent? Barack Obama graduated from Harvard Law Schol in 1991.

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Obama literary agent: 1991 bio was an 'error' | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/obama-literary-agent-1991-bio-was-an-error/article/feed/383539)

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Yeah, I'm sure it was an "error", or it was a literary ploy to make the new "author" appear to be "exotic".

You can buy the b.s. Taltarzac, I know you got too much invested in him to see the forest for the trees.

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Yeah, I'm sure it was an "error", or it was a literary ploy to make the new "author" appear to be "exotic".

You can buy the b.s. Taltarzac, I know you got too much invested in him to see the forest for the trees.

Until now I would have said richie was too intelligent to buy into the silly birther nonsense.

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I see nothing new or factual about this tripe. Why don't you leave this trash alone and do what needs to be done with honest information about Romney and stop with the made up trash about Obama. This is just one more hoax spread by the gullible that the majority will see as complete nonsense and childish.

Silly boys.

The Villager II: I truly appreciate your point of view; however your response is exactly what deceivers rely upon when committing such actions. (i.e this is so off the wall it could never happen") I have spent a lifetime investigating and otherwise testing the veracity of people and so I am not prone to go on fishing expedition nor tend to easily be led to believe conspiracies. There are so many inconsistencies colliding with documentation that supports Obama was a non citizens. In addition to the above stated material there is a student photo ID card of Barry Soreto afrom Occidental with the words under his phot "foreign student." Barry applied for foreign student funding ,etc. His associations from the time he entered the USA have been radicals with the funds and know how to re-write his history and the media complicit.

If this is all tripe why won't Obama release his educational documentation and that of his wife. Why won't he release a bona-fide birth certificate and more importantly why is he spending millions to frustrate every effort to get at the truth. This whole affair stinks to high heaven. But if the truth be known it would badly damage this country and that my friend is the over-riding reason Obama is really getting away with this lie.

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Until now I would have said richie was too intelligent to buy into the silly birther nonsense.

I could turn around your sentence on you, but I don't have the same opinion as you.

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You folks are not getting it. This is NOT a birther issue, per se.

This is a report from TODAY on information that was on a pamphlet written by Obama in 1991 and the BIO information WHICH WAS SUPPLIED BY THE WRITER (OBAMA) is what is being shown as being born in Kenya.

This has nothing to do with any birth certificate at all...HIS WORDS....

Of course the constant changing of his life story (like the lying about his grandmother) sort of speaks to the mans character !

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According to archive.org, a website that caches websites on a regular basis, the Dystel.com website – the official website for Dystel & Goderich, Obama’s literary agents – was using the Barack Obama “born in Kenya” language until April 2007, just two months after then-Senator Obama declared his campaign for the presidency.

Archive.org shows that the Dystel website used the following biography for Obama as of April 3, 2007:

BARACK OBAMA is the junior Democratic senator from Illinois and was the dynamic keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He was also the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. He was born in Kenya to an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister and was raised in Indonesia, Hawaii, and Chicago. His first book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER: A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE, has been a long time New York Times bestseller.

Obama launched his presidential campaign in February 2007.

By April 21, 2007, the Obama bio had been changed to state that Obama was born in Hawaii:.......

Obama (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/Obama-pamphlet-in-use-2007)

See the actual archived page from April, 2007 here:

Dystel & Goderich Literary Management :: Client List (http://web.archive.org/web/20070403190001/http://www.dystel.com/clientlist.html#o)

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Great post above...bump

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According to archive.org, a website that caches websites on a regular basis, the Dystel.com website – the official website for Dystel & Goderich, Obama’s literary agents – was using the Barack Obama “born in Kenya” language until April 2007, just two months after then-Senator Obama declared his campaign for the presidency.

Archive.org shows that the Dystel website used the following biography for Obama as of April 3, 2007:

BARACK OBAMA is the junior Democratic senator from Illinois and was the dynamic keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He was also the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. He was born in Kenya to an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister and was raised in Indonesia, Hawaii, and Chicago. His first book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER: A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE, has been a long time New York Times bestseller.

Obama launched his presidential campaign in February 2007.

By April 21, 2007, the Obama bio had been changed to state that Obama was born in Hawaii:.......

Obama (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/Obama-pamphlet-in-use-2007)

See the actual archived page from April, 2007 here:

Dystel & Goderich Literary Management :: Client List (http://web.archive.org/web/20070403190001/http://www.dystel.com/clientlist.html#o)

Garbage in, garbage out still applies to some items on the Internet. The Internet never forgets, but it often gets the facts wrong.

I am not sure how I have anything invested in President Obama winning in November that I know about anyway. I voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. Barack Obama got my vote in 2008 mainly because I did not want Sarah Palin anywhere near the Oval Office desk. She has true grit but not much of anything else in the way of being qualified to be President of the United States.

I have to see the debates and who is debating against VP Joe Biden before deciding anything.

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And so there you go....just a coincedence !!

Now, with all the links that Taltarzac725 shares with us , he just told us to ignore them because it probably is garbage.

Funny how garbage seems to have a political slant !

And the timing of this garbage is simply amazing

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Garbage in, garbage out still applies to some items on the Internet. The Internet never forgets, but it often gets the facts wrong.

I am not sure how I have anything invested in President Obama winning in November that I know about anyway. I voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. Barack Obama got my vote in 2008 mainly because I did not want Sarah Palin anywhere near the Oval Office desk. She has true grit but not much of anything else in the way of being qualified to be President of the United States.

I have to see the debates and who is debating against VP Joe Biden before deciding anything.

This, of course, brands you as a flamming left wing liberal according to our right wing friends. According to them anyone who dares to think through the process and not simply vote the republican line, is a socialist. Just thought you should know where you stand.

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And so there you go....just a coincedence !!

Now, with all the links that Taltarzac725 shares with us , he just told us to ignore them because it probably is garbage.

Funny how garbage seems to have a political slant !

And the timing of this garbage is simply amazing

My links are usually to Wikipedia, reputable newspapers or magazines, or other sites. They are not to blurbs used to sell books probably written by a copy writer from some cheap advertising company.

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This, of course, brands you as a flamming left wing liberal according to our right wing friends. According to them anyone who dares to think through the process and not simply vote the republican line, is a socialist. Just thought you should know where you stand.

I would hope that one of you who seem to enjoy making light and mocking will advise us which of the new information today you dispute and why !!!!! All is consistent with his entire life of lying about his life.

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divert and ridicule..........................

..............again, and again...............the beat goes on.

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My links are usually to Wikipedia, reputable newspapers or magazines, or other sites. They are not to blurbs used to sell books probably written by a copy writer from some cheap advertising company.

First of all, WIKIPEDIA is certainly not even close to reputable.

Now, which links are you making fun of specifically....the one to the advertising firms home page ? The New York Times ? Who exactly are you mocking ?

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This, of course, brands you as a flamming left wing liberal according to our right wing friends. According to them anyone who dares to think through the process and not simply vote the republican line, is a socialist. Just thought you should know where you stand.

lordy, lordy coach! if SOME right wing friends DON'T vote the republican line...how will they counter our democratic friends who do the same thing! ;)

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I have been consistent in my belief that Obama was not vetted properly and convinced that he has re-invented himself. He was not qualified to run as president. He has aggresively fuht to hide the truth. The liberal media is complcit in assisting Obama in this lie

RUBICON...thought you might like this..

"Whatever you think of Breitbart.com’s punishing vetting process, it has exposed just how little work the mainstream media did in investigating candidate Obama back in 2008. Not all of Team Breitbart’s revelations have been election-deciders, but they have often been stuff that a simple Google would have uncovered. If they revealed tomorrow that he’d had his own cross-dressing-themed sitcom on primetime TV in the 1980s, I wouldn’t be surprised."

Obama's literary agent says he was 'born in Kenya'. How did the mainstream media miss this? – Telegraph Blogs (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100158834/obama-used-to-be-a-kenyan/)

GREAT article filled with logic and not emotion......

"Look beyond the sordid details and the big story here is that this nugget wasn’t part of the wider discussion had back in 2008 about Obama's background and credentials. And why not? The documents were easy to find – the one that showed that “born in Kenya” was still being used in 2007 was on the Internet."

It is a great read...do not want to fill this with quotes but worth the read

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Legal records from state agencies, backed up by local newspaper listings from 50 years ago are ignored.

A pamphlet written by an agent that has no corroborating evidence is taken as gospel truth.

Are birthers THAT desperate? It reminds me of other arguments - anything that doesn't correspond to a pre-conceived position is a hoax or irrelevant. That which DOES agree, well, that's the divine-inspired truth.

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Legal records from state agencies, backed up by local newspaper listings from 50 years ago are ignored.

A pamphlet written by an agent that has no corroborating evidence is taken as gospel truth.

Are birthers THAT desperate? It reminds me of other arguments - anything that doesn't correspond to a pre-conceived position is a hoax or irrelevant. That which DOES agree, well, that's the divine-inspired truth.

My thrust is the failure of the media..you make of it what you like. I am disgusted with a President who offers a bribe to shut up....a President who will say that Wright s problem is that he always wants to tell the truth,,,,A president who has all this in his closet and you and nobody seems to care, HOWEVER our media will spend days on Romneys high school days

I used to always say I respected this man...I do not any longer...and you folks who worship despite what has AND I BELIEVE, will come to light are the lemmings. Make light of me if you wish...your opinion carries no more weight than I and I distrust him not only in policies but as a man..he lies and decieves.....and you defend that....

I might ask you, djplong, who knows all.....where did the Kenya come from originally do you suppose ? Made up for some purpose...hmmmm speaks well of the man dont you think...lie in your own autobiography....lie about your grandmothers insurance. This is the kind of man you want in the WH ?

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Drums keep pounding rythm to the brain!!! :cus:

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My thrust is the failure of the media..you make of it what you like. I am disgusted with a President who offers a bribe to shut up....a President who will say that Wright s problem is that he always wants to tell the truth,,,,A president who has all this in his closet and you and nobody seems to care, HOWEVER our media will spend days on Romneys high school days

I used to always say I respected this man...I do not any longer...and you folks who worship despite what has AND I BELIEVE, will come to light are the lemmings. Make light of me if you wish...your opinion carries no more weight than I and I distrust him not only in policies but as a man..he lies and decieves.....and you defend that....

I might ask you, djplong, who knows all.....where did the Kenya come from originally do you suppose ? Made up for some purpose...hmmmm speaks well of the man dont you think...lie in your own autobiography....lie about your grandmothers insurance. This is the kind of man you want in the WH ?

Bucco, your wiggling around like you've done again in this asinine thread is completely tiresome. You've spent four or five heart-rending posts raving about the President's 'lies' about his birth, then, when the whole birther thing is ONCE AGAIN blown out of the water, you claim your real thrust is the "failure of the media". It's time to admit you can't resist contributing even what ends up as pure BS, as long as it gives you another chance to rail about the the 'lies". You're emotions have taken over any objectivity and credibility you've had. And that's especially unfortunate for someone who seems to make political commentary here their full-time job.

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Legal records from state agencies, backed up by local newspaper listings from 50 years ago are ignored.

A pamphlet written by an agent that has no corroborating evidence is taken as gospel truth.

Are birthers THAT desperate? It reminds me of other arguments - anything that doesn't correspond to a pre-conceived position is a hoax or irrelevant. That which DOES agree, well, that's the divine-inspired truth.

It was continually part of the company's bio on their client Obama for 16 years. It wasn't just a pamphlet.

Government types in power never cover anything up?........seriously??

I think you need to look into the mirror to see the one with preconceived positions. I'm just saying.

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Morning Girls.


Vote for Romney.

Wish me luck at the course today.

I love The Villages.

This Thread is a hoax.

Lets pray that Romney takes the high road and wins in Nov.

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Bucco, your wiggling around like you've done again in this asinine thread is completely tiresome. You've spent four or five heart-rending posts raving about the President's 'lies' about his birth, then, when the whole birther thing is ONCE AGAIN blown out of the water, you claim your real thrust is the "failure of the media". It's time to admit you can't resist contributing even what ends up as pure BS, as long as it gives you another chance to rail about the the 'lies". You're emotions have taken over any objectivity and credibility you've had. And that's especially unfortunate for someone who seems to make political commentary here their full-time job.

This deserves a response because despite the name calling, their is truely an element of truth to this post.

I began posting on here at the beginning...and the birther thing was even a "thing" among Democrats BEFORE Obama got the nomination. Then, of course it became bigger and bigger. I NEVER, not even once posted on the subject for a number of reasons. Since you feel what I say is BS and since you feel that I overdo it posting on here, you wont care, but I did not post because I dont believe in conspiracy theories and never did, and I was more concerned not about where he was born, but the influence he received.

Then, as the years passed, I still NEVER posted or commented on the birther thing because it just did not make much sense to me.

Even on this thread and the few that began yesterday, I prefaced many of my posts by saying I was never a birther.

Most importantly, I actually felt embarassed discussing the birther issue and on the post you specifically mention, I wanted to be more agrresive but again...I felt somewhat embarassd to be involved in that kind of conversation, and I have always felt the media was totally screwed up relative to Obama thus I went that direction.

You are right...I CAN see the confusion and I apologize, but after what has come out in the last few days, WITH NO EXPLANATION nor one being asked by the same folks who DEMANDED responses on Romney High School capers, I am now officially very suspicious of how ORIGINALLY this notation got on that pamphlet.

So, you got me on that one.

ON your other criticism and sarcasm, I actually enjoy and used to do it for a living....discuss issues and politics (believe it or not for the Democratic party). As you also know, I have pretty much begged folks like you to discuss ISSUES, but all we get from you guys is criticism much like this..personally aimed calling us out either for the number of posts, not liking the Presidents policies (I suppose that is considered heresy in some circles).

While you consider not only me tiresome but also this thread....just wonder how you would feel if...

Romney was found to have offered money to his high school bud to shut up.

Romney told those friends that their problem was that they always wanted to tell the truth

Romney had a pamphlet come out from 15 years ago that showed him born in Canada (after a discussion already had been made about that fact) Would you wonder a bit how that even got on there ?

Romney lied to the american people on his grandmothers insurance when discussing his plan for insurance.

This all after him lying to America on large issues (health care for example)

This after days of the media discussing the high school pranks of Obama.

Would you question the mans capabilities to be President ?

Now we are watching Romney being criticized instead of asking any questions of Obama !!!!

Again, I am so sorry that I bore you and my BS intereferes with something important in your life. I assure you that I do more than post on this forum.....much of it involved with politics but certainly not narrowed to just that and am very happy and I do hope that alleviates your concerns.

Now, if you find something I post that is not true then you call me out personally on THAT, much like you called me out personally on this post.

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I really cannot believe that there have been so many posts to this bogus thread.

President Obama was voted into office by a MAJORITY of American voters and you are now questioning the validity of that by a book jacket? Amazing to say the very least.

Well, a few days in the Caribbean have cleared my head and I can enjoy reading these comedic posts without shouting at my computer.

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how about a little more fuel for the "controversy":

» AP declared Obama “Kenyan-Born” Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/ap-declared-obama-kenyan-born/)

At some point there has to be a reckoning of what was said about Obama. If it was incorrect when written and when he was quoted then where is the counterpoint rebutting the alleged incorrectness? There must have existed back then the same caliber of loyalists who would be as quick to disclaim what was written as there seems to be these days. If he has a following today that will defend him, did he not have such a following in 2004?

Some where there is either a truth to be known or a lie to be discovered or revelation that resolves the chronic appearance of the issue.

I also think the term birther is an attempt to discredit via unflattering rhetoric. Similar to labeling those who support Obama as deniers.
I am curious why the birth issue is time sensitive. Why was it not as big a deal as a Senator as it is for POTUS? The most damning statement seems to come directly from Obama in the article above where he states "..I am not running for President..."!!!!!!

Like it or not. There is a reconciling needed....and we know today's loyalists don't agree.

btk

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that article really gives one food for thought....maybe it is planted by the Clintons? :)

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Now that was comical!

Wow, the Birthers are still at it and printing out their own lies in a format that makes it almost realistic.

It is a good thing that American voters (excluding wubers) are savvy enough to see through smoke, mirrors, and obviously some flashbacks from bad acid trips.

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forget the typical dodge and weave of today's partisan need to always try to discredit with negative flamming....where were, where are the rebuttals to the articles in print back in 2004?

There surely has to have been some loyalists back then too? Maybe not? If not why not?

Let's see if there exists an opportunity to get an answer to a questions asked.....for a change of partisan pace......if it is allowed.

btk

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I really cannot believe that there have been so many posts to this bogus thread.

President Obama was voted into office by a MAJORITY of American voters and you are now questioning the validity of that by a book jacket? Amazing to say the very least.

Well, a few days in the Caribbean have cleared my head and I can enjoy reading these comedic posts without shouting at my computer.

Please respond...

How does a birth in Kenya appear in a litirary agents bio AND in an AP release without any input from the party in question ?

And if you read the actual birth is NOT the question. It is a question of a man who has lied himself into the WH. And continues while there....we will assume you approve of that. Actually if you read all the links, the specifically say that they are not questioning the actual birth, but the concept of inventing things such as this and such as in his bio, etc.

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Just think about it. How could a person make such a series of huge lies to get himself from being a foreign born person from Kenya into the White House? It is not even feasible to do that with millions of people constantly searching websites and records.

The Birthers are hard at work now before their candidate falls too far behind.

This is a time for common sense to start prevailing. Do not believe made up stories like a book jacket or tripe from Prison Planet.

I cannot believe some people will grasp at straws to actually think Pres. Obama was born in Kenya. Well, it is your right to believe what you want - and if that is how you believe, best of luck to you.

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Just think about it. How could a person make such a series of huge lies to get himself from being a foreign born person from Kenya into the White House? It is not even feasible to do that with millions of people constantly searching websites and records.

The Birthers are hard at work now before their candidate falls too far behind.

This is a time for common sense to start prevailing. Do not believe made up stories like a book jacket or tripe from Prison Planet.

I cannot believe some people will grasp at straws to actually think Pres. Obama was born in Kenya. Well, it is your right to believe what you want - and if that is how you believe, best of luck to you.

AGAIN, because you are not understanding !!

The issue now has become not where he was born but WHY he keeps telling people different things.

FACT...he has lied in his autobiography
FACT...he "obviously" notwithstanding any other info has lied to literary agents and the AP
FACT...he offered Rev Wright $150000.00 to shut up
FACT...he lied about his mother;s insurance coverage more than once (validated by the Washington Post)
FACT...he lied about substantative issues regarding the country (Health ins, for example)

Then we find out that he actually "modified"...not changing facts but adding HIS FACTS, which in the case of Reagan were NOT TRUE.

Now, Buggy, you know I have never ever participated in any discussion on the birth issue in the forum going way back to 2007...EVER.

But the streaming amount of lies from this man, if not for you, for me is so disconcerting from a President of the US.

And to your remark.....I know because you announced it here that you have been away but you might want to check the change in polls just since you left.

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According to Gallup polls, 56% of American voters believe that Pres. Obama is going to win re-election.
Americans See Obama as Solid Favorite to Win Election (http://www.gallup.com/poll/154670/Americans-See-Obama-Solid-Favorite-Win-Election.aspx)

If you want to talk about lies, Marco Rubio used to say his parents came to America as refugees fleeing from Castro. Reality was they arrived in 1956. Rubio's official website was closed for a few days while that was being corrected - after it was made public.

No, I have no problem with what Pres. Obama has said about himself, his mother, etc. Those are insignificant.

However, the LIES told by George W. Bush took the country into Iraq and cost the US over 4,400 American lives. At least we do not have to contend with LIES like that any longer.

Have a nice day. Play some golf, listen to some music, read a good book or something enjoyable.

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According to Gallup polls, 56% of American voters believe that Pres. Obama is going to win re-election.
Americans See Obama as Solid Favorite to Win Election (http://www.gallup.com/poll/154670/Americans-See-Obama-Solid-Favorite-Win-Election.aspx)

If you want to talk about lies, Marco Rubio used to say his parents came to America as refugees fleeing from Castro. Reality was they arrived in 1956. Rubio's official website was closed for a few days while that was being corrected - after it was made public.

No, I have no problem with what Pres. Obama has said about himself, his mother, etc. Those are insignificant.

However, the LIES told by George W. Bush took the country into Iraq and cost the US over 4,400 American lives. At least we do not have to contend with LIES like that any longer.

Have a nice day. Play some golf, listen to some music, read a good book or something enjoyable.

1, This thread is about the Presiden of the United States Barrack Obama.

This ploy of ignoring the President lying and trying to divert is getting old. If you are ok with all the lying, so be it....that does not bother you, but I surely would not ever have a friend who had this kind of record for lying and would fire anyone who I found lied this much about his background and then continued...he/she would be gone !

PLUS your link is what is making it more important than ever that we know the President lies about his background or whatever may serve his own purpose.

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Just think about it. How could a person make such a series of huge lies to get himself from being a foreign born person from Kenya into the White House? It is not even feasible to do that with millions of people constantly searching websites and records.

The Birthers are hard at work now before their candidate falls too far behind.

This is a time for common sense to start prevailing. Do not believe made up stories like a book jacket or tripe from Prison Planet.

I cannot believe some people will grasp at straws to actually think Pres. Obama was born in Kenya. Well, it is your right to believe what you want - and if that is how you believe, best of luck to you.

buggyone - welcome back! hope the trip was a good one. bet you'll be shouting at your computer in no time! :Screen_of_Death:

now about your post...i don't really have a stake in the birther issue - to me, the damage is done...but...those who question obama's birthsite do raise issues for me that are disconcerting. we all enhance ourselves in one way or another given the particular circumstances in which we find ourselves - on job resumes, at party introductions, interviews, locker room tales, etc - it is human nature. so it might be re the bookflap flap - where it might have been more convenient for the publishing house to hope to create an exotic persona of their client. but most of us are not running for political office, much less potus. and this potus [and his handlers] does nothing to make the issues surrounding his background transparent. the issues remain clouded in suspicion, inuendo, supposition, and evidence that does not support background information.

how is it that you have such confidence in the fact that obama was not born in kenya? i really would like to be able to believe as you do, but i cannot find the resources that enable me to do so. do you have any or am i to go on blind faith - which i don't believe can be done by a skeptic such as i am re this issue.

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buggyone - welcome back! hope the trip was a good one. bet you'll be shouting at your computer in no time! :Screen_of_Death:

now about your post...i don't really have a stake in the birther issue - to me, the damage is done...but...those who question obama's birthsite do raise issues for me that are disconcerting. we all enhance ourselves in one way or another given the particular circumstances in which we find ourselves - on job resumes, at party introductions, interviews, locker room tales, etc - it is human nature. so it might be re the bookflap flap - where it might have been more convenient for the publishing house to hope to create an exotic persona of their client. but most of us are not running for political office, much less potus. and this potus [and his handlers] does nothing to make the issues surrounding his background transparent. the issues remain clouded in suspicion, inuendo, supposition, and evidence that does not support background information.

how is it that you have such confidence in the fact that obama was not born in kenya? i really would like to be able to believe as you do, but i cannot find the resources that enable me to do so. do you have any or am i to go on blind faith - which i don't believe can be done by a skeptic such as i am re this issue.

Not to interrupt but today you can view on line a copy of the Kenya newspaper from when he ran for office stating he is Kenya born. Just an awful lot of people made mistakes it seems Plus even later references in touting his autobiograhy showing born in Kenya

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Now that was comical!

Wow, the Birthers are still at it and printing out their own lies in a format that makes it almost realistic.

It is a good thing that American voters (excluding wubers) are savvy enough to see through smoke, mirrors, and obviously some flashbacks from bad acid trips.

Have you figured out yet that people are not listening to you?

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This thread may be about President Obama but there has already been plenty of documented and official proof that he is a natural born citizen of the USA. That issue has been put to bed.

However, some have said President Obama has lied on occasion. May be true. They were not important, though. No lives have been lost due to his lies, if there were any in the first place.

Personally, I believe that the lies told by George W. Bush were much more damaging. The US, based on his lies, invaded Iraq and cost the US over 4,400 American lives and trillions of dollars. This is NOT diversion. What would you rather see? A lie about a former girlfriend or a lie costing over 4,400 American lives and tens of thousands wounded and scarred for life in either mind or body?

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This thread may be about President Obama but there has already been plenty of documented and official proof that he is a natural born citizen of the USA. That issue has been put to bed.

However, some have said President Obama has lied on occasion. May be true. They were not important, though. No lives have been lost due to his lies, if there were any in the first place.

Personally, I believe that the lies told by George W. Bush were much more damaging. The US, based on his lies, invaded Iraq and cost the US over 4,400 American lives and trillions of dollars. This is NOT diversion. What would you rather see? A lie about a former girlfriend or a lie costing over 4,400 American lives and tens of thousands wounded and scarred for life in either mind or body?

So, he may have lied himself into the WH...no problem

So, he lied to us on health care and now the country has real genuine problem as a result...no problem

Your post is very telling

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Yes, Affordable Health care is terrible. 30 million uninsured now get health care. Seniors with pre-existing conditions now get health care. Students can remain on parent's policy until 26 - terrible. Seniors get "donut hole" pharmacy benefits - terrible. Free preventive screenings for cancer - terrible.
Insurance companies cannot drop sick people from coverage - terrible.
Strengthens Medicare by stopping fraud, waste, and abuse - terrible (Rick Scott?)

How many Villagers are now benefitting from some of these features? I would guess quite a few. Have you ever known anyone who was dropped by a health insurer because they had some long term medical problem or could not get insurance?

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?...How does a birth in Kenya appear in a litirary agents bio AND in an AP release without any input from the party?....
Just a minor point, Bucco. I surely don't want to belabor a point that dosen't justify any more discussion. But just because a person is born outside the borders of the U.S. doesn't mean they're not a citizen. As an example, John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. either. His birth certificate shows his live birth in Panama.

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Yes, Affordable Health care is terrible. 30 million uninsured now get health care. Seniors with pre-existing conditions now get health care. Students can remain on parent's policy until 26 - terrible. Seniors get "donut hole" pharmacy benefits - terrible. Free preventive screenings for cancer - terrible.
Insurance companies cannot drop sick people from coverage - terrible.
Strengthens Medicare by stopping fraud, waste, and abuse - terrible (Rick Scott?)

How many Villagers are now benefitting from some of these features? I would guess quite a few. Have you ever known anyone who was dropped by a health insurer because they had some long term medical problem or could not get insurance?

I assume we are talking about the same health care bill...you know, the one before the supreme court...the one that doesn't even address health care costs as promised..the one that does not address tort reform as promised, the one that in the future promises to bankrupt the country...that the one ?

BUT this thread is not about the Health care bill......check the title

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Just one more word on Health Care - ROMNEYCARE!!!

Okay, two more words on ROMNEYCARE - Mandatory Coverage!!!!

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According to Gallup polls, 56% of American voters believe that Pres. Obama is going to win re-election.
Americans See Obama as Solid Favorite to Win Election (http://www.gallup.com/poll/154670/Americans-See-Obama-Solid-Favorite-Win-Election.aspx)
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so what - i might think that obama is going to win - BUT - i sure am not gonna vote for him! maybe survey respondents thought that way, too? hmmmmm......

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Just one more word on Health Care - ROMNEYCARE!!!

Okay, two more words on ROMNEYCARE - Mandatory Coverage!!!!

One word....STATE..ok...3 words...STATE NOT FEDERAL

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After reviewing all of the posts on this thread essentially what the pro Obama people have said is "it ain't the truth", "it should be put to bed", "what about so and so". However, not one pro Obama poster could offer an explanation to explain the documentation surfacing or the inconsistencies surrounding Obama's birth place. "When you have eliminated the impossible Dr. Watson"

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One word....STATE..ok...3 words...STATE NOT FEDERAL


How can Mitt badmouth the same thing on a Federal level as he put in practice for his state of Taxachusetts?

Well, I am not going to say anymore on this thread. I am done with people who think President Obama is not a citizen of the USA.

I do understand Bucco's concern about the Affordable Health Care Act.

I do understand Bucco's concern about the possibility of some misspoken statements by the President but to me, they are not serious.

Serious lying is what George Bush did to get over 4,400 Americans killed in Iraq and tens of thousands more wounded and scarred for life both physically and mentally.

'Nuff said on this topic for me. I will not come back to this thread so a reply is not necessary.:spoken:

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How can Mitt badmouth the same thing on a Federal level as he put in practice for his state of Taxachusetts?

Well, I am not going to say anymore on this thread. I am done with people who think President Obama is not a citizen of the USA.

I do understand Bucco's concern about the Affordable Health Care Act.

I do understand Bucco's concern about the possibility of some misspoken statements by the President but to me, they are not serious.

Serious lying is what George Bush did to get over 4,400 Americans killed in Iraq and tens of thousands more wounded and scarred for life both physically and mentally.

'Nuff said on this topic for me. I will not come back to this thread so a reply is not necessary.:spoken:


buggyone: People from Kenya lie a lot
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Just a minor point, Bucco. I surely don't want to belabor a point that dosen't justify any more discussion. But just because a person is born outside the borders of the U.S. doesn't mean they're not a citizen. As an example, John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. either. His birth certificate shows his live birth in Panama.

it is my understanding that John McCain was born outside of the United States proper but on the United States possession or property while his parents were on the business of the United States. This is a lot different than someone being born in a foreign country. Although his mother was a US citizen and she was not there on US business. A fine point I agree but I think there is a definite difference especially when you see the kind of deception that have been put forth by the President.

Just a thought

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The Arizona Secretary of State threatens to remove President Obama from the November ballot without proper verification of birth certificate from Hawaii. Once AZ does this, then every other state will follow AZ's lead.

Republican's are just like a dog with a bone on this issue. They will not let it go. It could be time for Democrats to jump on a draft Hillary bandwagon. Think of the coup that would give the Clintons - Hillary jumping in to save the democratic party from her opponent, and Bill leading the democrats to victory against the party that impeached him.

Mitt Romney wouldn't know what hit him. It would be Bill and Hill against Romney, Bush and Cheney.


AZ Sect. Of State Threatens To Remove Obama From Ballot Without Birth Certificate Verification From Hawaii | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/online/az-sect-of-state-threatens-to-remove-obama-from-ballot-without-birth-certificate-verification-from-hawaii/)

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Just a minor point, Bucco. I surely don't want to belabor a point that dosen't justify any more discussion. But just because a person is born outside the borders of the U.S. doesn't mean they're not a citizen. As an example, John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. either. His birth certificate shows his live birth in Panama.

That's an old argument that was debunked so many years ago (1999) that I'm frankly surprised that it's still being dredged up.

John McCain was born to U.S. service personnel in a U.S. military installation while they, at that time, were there the under order of the U.S. government.

It's been long decided that is tantamount to a U.S. birth.

Barack Hussein Obama seems to have just been born in Kenya, period.

I'm not talking about your post in this sentence, but I have to admit that the desperate ridiculing of those who want answers pertaining to these new documents and news stories indicating the foreign birth of the current occupant of the "people's house", and the relating of irrelevant stories, is very amusing to me.

When all the leftie loyalists can do is attack the messenger, I get more and more confident.

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I don't care where Obama was born, his father was NOT a US Citizen at the time of this birth and in accordance with our United States Constitution he is not a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" but he could be a native born citizen. Google the difference and all those that did not vet this man should find themselves facing treason charges. The same applies for Rubio, his parents did not become naturalized citizens until 1975 and he was born in 1971, thus making Rubio a native born citizen and not a natural born citizen.

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Just a minor point, Bucco. I surely don't want to belabor a point that dosen't justify any more discussion. But just because a person is born outside the borders of the U.S. doesn't mean they're not a citizen. As an example, John McCain wasn't born in the U.S. either. His birth certificate shows his live birth in Panama.

First, I started yesterday never thinking where he was born...as many posters have stated....it has been almost 4 years .

My problem is that we have a President who LIED his way into office and continues to lie....I find that stunningly shocking !

And yet folks continue to defend him....THAT speaks to the point you and Richie were making about how stupid the electorate is.

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Karl Rove noted "Every moment that conservatives talk about this, they marginalize and diminish themselves in the minds of the independent voters".
And, I would add, unite the democratic base. Keep up the good work.


How Breitbart.com Became Part Of Liberal Conspiracy To Push The Birther "Distraction" | Media Matters for America (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201205180008)

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I don't care where Obama was born, his father was NOT a US Citizen at the time of this birth and in accordance with our United States Constitution he is not a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" but he could be a native born citizen. Google the difference and all those that did not vet this man should find themselves facing treason charges. The same applies for Rubio, his parents did not become naturalized citizens until 1975 and he was born in 1971, thus making Rubio a native born citizen and not a natural born citizen.

Here's the 14th Amendment section, stating that citizens are either "born in" or "naturalized in" the United States, with no mention of the parents' citizenship or not. A person is either one or the other, "born in" or "naturalized".

Fourteenth Amendment - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection
Amendment Text | Annotations

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...."


Marco Rubio was "born in" the U.S. He was not a foreign citizen who was "naturalized" into U.S. citizenship. His parents' status at the time of his birth is irrelevant.

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If I were an Obama supporter I would want this issue to go away too. Man up Obama tell the truth, make an act of contrition. Go on a "Mother Teresa" journey starting global charity organizations around the world. Give motivational speeches in front of well columned buildings. Win another Noble Peace Prize

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If I were an Obama supporter I would want this issue to go away too. Man up Obama tell the truth, make an act of contrition. Go on a "Mother Teresa" journey starting global charity organizations around the world. Give motivational speeches in front of well columned buildings. Win another Noble Peace Prize

So you are also a big fan of Hillary Clinton replacing the president as the democratic candidate? The Clinton's are ruthless, and that is what is needed in this day and age. John Boehner is always talking about kicking the can down the road. Hillary would kick his can down the road. Plus the Clintons both have 70% favorability ratings.

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The Obama apologists and sycophants don't want to talk about this issue because they have no defense to it. All they have are people's words and reportedly forged documents to support their belief. Obama's past has been carefully guarded...........up 'til now.

My good friend Buggy even says he won't come back to this thread. He had nothing to say anyway; all that's left is to ignore what's in front of his eyes and faithfully believe in "The One".

Sometimes this is really fun.

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So you are also a big fan of Hillary Clinton replacing the president as the democratic candidate? The Clinton's are ruthless, and that is what is needed in this day and age. John Boehner is always talking about kicking the can down the road. Hillary would kick his can down the road. Plus the Clintons both have 70% favorability ratings.

The party already clinched its iron fist shut, squeezing Hillary out. In its world of cowering to White Guilt pressures, black male trumps white female; black male also trumps white male once termed "Our First Black President". Blackness, or even imagined blackness, is where the power has been:

"In writing about the impeachment in 1998, [Toni] Morrison wrote that, since Whitewater, Bill Clinton had been mistreated because of his "Blackness":
Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.[17]

The phrase "our first Black president" was adopted as a positive by Bill Clinton supporters. When the Congressional Black Caucus honored the former president at its dinner in Washington D.C. on September 29, 2001, for instance, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), the chair, told the audience that Clinton "took so many initiatives he made us think for a while we had elected the first black president."
Toni Morrison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Morrison)

But that didn't last long, once the "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said" came along.....the one whom Harry Reid said was electable because he is a "light-skinned African-American with no Negro dialect...unless he wants one". So it's all about race.

Leave your brain at the door and Vote by Color. That's the party's motto.

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The party already clinched its iron fist shut, squeezing Hillary out. In its world of cowering to White Guilt pressures, black male trumps white female; black male also trumps white male once termed "Our First Black President". Blackness, or even imagined blackness, is where the power has been:

"In writing about the impeachment in 1998, [Toni] Morrison wrote that, since Whitewater, Bill Clinton had been mistreated because of his "Blackness":
Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.[17]

The phrase "our first Black president" was adopted as a positive by Bill Clinton supporters. When the Congressional Black Caucus honored the former president at its dinner in Washington D.C. on September 29, 2001, for instance, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), the chair, told the audience that Clinton "took so many initiatives he made us think for a while we had elected the first black president."
Toni Morrison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Morrison)

But that didn't last long, once the "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said" came along.....the one whom Harry Reid said was electable because he is a "light-skinned African-American with no Negro dialect...unless he wants one". So it's all about race.

Leave your brain at the door and Vote by Color. That's the party's motto.

So sad to say...but you are absolutely right. :undecided:

It was that way in 2008 and promises to be repeated in 2012.

Be prepared to be called "racist".

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First, I started yesterday never thinking where he was born...as many posters have stated....it has been almost 4 years .

My problem is that we have a President who LIED his way into office and continues to lie....I find that stunningly shocking !

And yet folks continue to defend him....THAT speaks to the point you and Richie were making about how stupid the electorate is.

Just call me stupid.....and damn proud of it!!!

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it is my understanding that John McCain was born outside of the United States proper but on the United States possession or property while his parents were on the business of the United States. This is a lot different than someone being born in a foreign country. Although his mother was a US citizen and she was not there on US business. A fine point I agree but I think there is a definite difference especially when you see the kind of deception that have been put forth by the President.

Just a thought

He was born in the US Panama Canal Zone on a Naval Station. Same as being born in Brooklyn. The only thing is, these days, his passport will say Panama as birthplace. Jimmy Carter took mine and Mr. McCain's birthplace off the map and our passports.

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He was born in the US Panama Canal Zone on a Naval Station. Same as being born in Brooklyn. The only thing is, these days, his passport will say Panama as birthplace. Jimmy Carter took mine and Mr. McCain's birthplace off the map and our passports.

Posh 08 Bravo! Bravo!:BigApplause:

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I've been away from the forum for awhile...It's nice to see that somethings NEVER change!!!!

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I am not a 'birther', but this really caught my eye. Someone once told me that Obama's team surely would have properly vetted him before nominating for president; baloney, this wouldn't be the first time those teams (from either side) messed up! Think 4 yr. ago.

Anyway, let's face it: He's been our prez for 3 1/2 yr. and may or may not return to office. Nothing will come of this. Save your breath.

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I am not a 'birther', but this really caught my eye. Someone once told me that Obama's team surely would have properly vetted him before nominating for president; baloney, this wouldn't be the first time those teams (from either side) messed up! Think 4 yr. ago.

Anyway, let's face it: He's been our prez for 3 1/2 yr. and may or may not return to office. Nothing will come of this. Save your breath.

It might have an impact on the election if Obama is not on the ballot in some states because of the politics of that state's governor and secretary of state.

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This is one of the more amusing things to come out of Arizona's request for authentication of President Obama's birth certificate last week. Arizona Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, must prove he's the man in charge of deciding whether President Obama is eligible to be on Arizona's ballot in November. It seems like turnabout is fair play.


How Hawaii Stiffed Arizona Secretary Of State Ken Bennett’s Birther Investigation | TPMMuckraker (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ken_bennett_birther_hawaii_arizona_emails.php)

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This is one of the more amusing things to come out of Arizona's request for authentication of President Obama's birth certificate last week. Arizona Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, must prove he's the man in charge of deciding whether President Obama is eligible to be on Arizona's ballot in November. It seems like turnabout is fair play.


How Hawaii Stiffed Arizona Secretary Of State Ken Bennett’s Birther Investigation | TPMMuckraker (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ken_bennett_birther_hawaii_arizona_emails.php)

Team Obama has a very simple solution they can comply and provide the information required thus saitisfying Arizona's requirements. I mean every american taxpayer, business man etc. is required to comply with federal regulations so why should Team Obama get a pass?

Now just watch Team Obama gestapo tactics fighting this little gem. He and his merry band of community organizers have gone out of their way to diminish, slander and intimidate otherwise good people just because they support Romney or disagree with him. Democratic Mayor Booker of Newark NJ dared disagree with Obama's negative Bain Capital campaign ads and now its his turn to get a beating. So much for free speech huh.

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I could not agree more ! The election of 2008 was and will be considered a huge black eye for the media !

:icon_bored:big yawn

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:icon_bored:big yawn

ladydoc: a borded big yawn is why the greatest of america is so quickly wasting away. If "we the people" just "blink and deflate"....a big yawn in your terms then we reap what we sow...bupkus

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AZ politics is rapidly becoming the laughingstock of America. :1rotfl:

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AZ politics is rapidly becoming the laughingstock of America. :1rotfl:

Yeah, I know what you mean....enforcing the federal law can be funny

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Yeah, I know what you mean....enforcing the federal law can be funny

Sheriff Joe Arpaio sending a deputy to Hawaii to investigate the President's birth certificate is part of what federal law? And isn't that out of Sheriff Joe's jurisdiction? This is the worst paranoia since the Salem witch hunt.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/arpaio_threats_unit_birther_hawaii_bennett.php

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This forum is really something to read and for a first time reader would be mind-blowing to say the least.

You have threads of Republicans saying our President is really from Kenya, threads stating that Muslims are to be feared and not trusted, gays and lesbians are unnatural, pro-choice people are not Christians, our President is not Christian and has hate-based background toward white people, and Sarah Palin is an intelligent life form.

All I can say is :1rotfl:

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This forum is really something to read and for a first time reader would be mind-blowing to say the least.

You have threads of Republicans saying our President is really from Kenya, threads stating that Muslims are to be feared and not trusted, gays and lesbians are unnatural, pro-choice people are not Christians, our President is not Christian and has hate-based background toward white people, and Sarah Palin is an intelligent life form.

All I can say is :1rotfl:

Not sure how repesentative of Republicans these views actually are. The Republicans I visit with on occasion never would voice these kind of views face-to-face.

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This forum is really something to read and for a first time reader would be mind-blowing to say the least.

You have threads of Republicans saying our President is really from Kenya, threads stating that Muslims are to be feared and not trusted, gays and lesbians are unnatural, pro-choice people are not Christians, our President is not Christian and has hate-based background toward white people, and Sarah Palin is an intelligent life form.

All I can say is :1rotfl:

I can believe the president was born in Kenya, that Muslims are to be feared, gays and lesbians are unnatural, that pro-choice people are not Christians, President Obama is not a Christian and hates white people, but Sarah Palin an intelligent life form? Naw, no way.

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This forum is really something to read and for a first time reader would be mind-blowing to say the least.

You have threads of Republicans saying our President is really from Kenya, He has connection to Kenya threads stating that Muslims are to be feared I do fear themand not trusted I don't trust them, gays and lesbians are unnatural,They do not seem natural to me pro-choice people are not Christians They do not follow christian teachings, our President is not Christian and has hate-based background toward white people People of african decent do tend to have a problem with us honkys, and Sarah Palin is an intelligent life form Now that you got right..

All I can say is :1rotfl:

The villager II

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Yeah, I know what you mean....enforcing the federal law can be funny

What other states are asking for proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii?....and actually considering keeping him off the ballot. That's some of the crazy making, radical activities that will drive people away from the Republican party. I say go for it!!! :1rotfl:

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What other states are asking for proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii?....and actually considering keeping him off the ballot. That's some of the crazy making, radical activities that will drive people away from the Republican party. I say go for it!!! :1rotfl:

I realize that you folks have this thing about making fun of people and calling names, but will risk it by telling you the truth....I was speaking of the immigration law !!!!!

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What other states are asking for proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii?....and actually considering keeping him off the ballot. That's some of the crazy making, radical activities that will drive people away from the Republican party. I say go for it!!! :1rotfl:

Could all this paranoia in Arizonza be caused by the state actually being in play this year? Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Sec of State Bennett actually make Governor Jan Brewer look sane.

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Could all this paranoia in Arizonza be caused by the state actually being in play this year? Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Sec of State Bennett actually make Governor Jan Brewer look sane.

I rest my case

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Glad to see all the lefties have is unadulterated b.s. No facts, no intelligent statements; just jolly good time rock & roll garbage. I got to stop overestimating them. I sometimes actually sometimes think them smarter that they are, it seems.

Why are you left-wing nudniks posting the claptrap above? You think it does anything positive for you?

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A group of 6 women were at the pool the other day. The discussion turned to Obama, and the group all agreed when one stated...."he just has so much charisma".

I just stayed out of it as I remembered another famous quote..."you can't fix stupid".

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and as you can see for yourself, Pres. Obama is the choice of most women. They have your vote cancelled out as well as 5 other wubers!:1rotfl:

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and as you can see for yourself, Pres. Obama is the choice of most women. They have your vote cancelled out as well as 5 other wubers!:1rotfl:


He seems to be losing ground with married woman. A news report on ABC had Mitt Romney ahead in the polls by quite a wide margin for married women.

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Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona/)

can't wait to see what this guy is gonna have to say!

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Glad to see all the lefties have is unadulterated b.s. No facts, no intelligent statements; just jolly good time rock & roll garbage. I got to stop overestimating them. I sometimes actually sometimes think them smarter that they are, it seems.

Why are you left-wing nudniks posting the claptrap above? You think it does anything positive for you?

Yep. It soothes the soul!! :clap2:

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Yep. It soothes the soul!! :clap2:

I guess you're saying, by agreeing with me, that for leftists; ignorance is it's own reward.

I guess I knew that all along.

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Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona/)

can't wait to see what this guy is gonna have to say!

I guess we'll have to wait and see if undeniable evidence has been submitted.

After all the subterfuge about this issue, nothing less than incontrovertible proof should be accepted.

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Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona/)

can't wait to see what this guy is gonna have to say!

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Maybe Sheriff Arpaio's deputy can team up with Donald Trump's investigators.

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The Associated Press: Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haXcJiQDfsmQd5-jWeX8hB0ADaEg?docId=7935a38258aa4d26b6d89c814fa5f8 75)

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The Associated Press: Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haXcJiQDfsmQd5-jWeX8hB0ADaEg?docId=7935a38258aa4d26b6d89c814fa5f8 75)

This link is already part of this thread

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A group of 6 women were at the pool the other day. The discussion turned to Obama, and the group all agreed when one stated...."he just has so much charisma".

I just stayed out of it as I remembered another famous quote..."you can't fix stupid".

Yeah. John Edwards just had so much charisma, too, until 2010 when pressures to paternity-test the love child became too great. All the same swooning dummies just LOVED Edwards......even thru the times when he was cheating on his wife battling last stages of breast cancer.

Swooning dummies. That's all they are.

"John Edwards is expected to publicly admit he is the father of the daughter of his former mistress, Rielle Hunter, sources told North Carolina's WRAL News on Thursday. The report followed a story in the National Enquirer that a DNA test proves Edwards' paternity of 18-month-old Frances.

The National Enquirer, which broke the original story about the extramarital affair between Edwards and Hunter, cited "multiple sources" in reporting that Edward took a secret DNA test for paternity. The former senator and presidential candidate has previously denied that he is the baby's father; his wife Elizabeth has said she doesn't know the girl's paternity.

The Enquirer quotes a close friend of Hunter's: "Rielle had no choice but to demand John take a DNA test. She was worried about getting long-term financial support for her daughter. So she hired an attorney, and John consented to undergo a secret swab test to establish paternity."


John Edwards Expected to Admit He Fathered Rielle Hunter's Baby, TV Station Reports (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/13/john-edwards-expected-to-admit-he-fathered-rielle-hunters-baby/)

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I am not concerned about WHERE he was born.....I am more concerned with the deception he has used his entire life ABOUT where he was born.

And ilovetv is right on the mark with this....the charisma is not creating jobs, the charisma is not lying to the american people, the charisma is not using blackmail and lying to get a health bill passed on which he lied about the reason for (have you checked the rising health care costs and the estimates on the costs to us on the health bill?).

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This link is already part of this thread

Only part of it is in the Fox News report. The link I supplied-- also given here-- is much longer. The Associated Press: Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haXcJiQDfsmQd5-jWeX8hB0ADaEg?docId=7935a38258aa4d26b6d89c814fa5f8 75)

John Edwards is not Barack Obama is all I have to say about the charisma of both. I did vote for Bush though in 2004 mainly because I did not care all that much for John Kerry.

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Only part of it is in the Fox News report. The link I supplied-- also given here-- is much longer. The Associated Press: Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haXcJiQDfsmQd5-jWeX8hB0ADaEg?docId=7935a38258aa4d26b6d89c814fa5f8 75)

John Edwards is not Barack Obama is all I have to say about the charisma of both. I did vote for Bush though in 2004 mainly because I did not care all that much for John Kerry.

Funny, the Edwards that you know today is not Barrack Obama. He was actually for quite some time the favorite for VP by Obama.

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Funny, the Edwards that you know today is not Barrack Obama. He was actually for quite some time the favorite for VP by Obama.

The Obama campaign was warned about John Edwards' indiscretions in early 2008. It is doubtful he was considered for any position after that time.


John Edwards trial: Obama campaign was warned about affair, witness says - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/john-edwards-trial-obama-campaign-warned-affair-witness/story?id=16305190)

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Well, even the Secretary of State from the great state of Arizona has agreed that Pres. Obama is a natural born citizen of the US and his name will be on the November ballot.

Their goofy governor, slipshod secretary of state, and paranoid county sheriff has certainly made Arizona a laughing stock within and outside the USA.

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they are no different in their beliefs and what they say and defend than the no matter what partisan loyalists....just depends which end of the stick one is at any given moment.

btk

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Well geeze Barry, so exactly why did you keep spending all that lawyer money to keep so much from the public, when all you had to do was present the facts?

Was it because you used the name "Barry Soetoro" and then changed it?
Was it because you attended Harvard as a "Foreign Student"?

Why spend all that money? Makes no sense.

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Well, even the Secretary of State from the great state of Arizona has agreed that Pres. Obama is a natural born citizen of the US and his name will be on the November ballot.

Their goofy governor, slipshod secretary of state, and paranoid county sheriff has certainly made Arizona a laughing stock within and outside the USA.

The Associated Press: Obama birth certificate OK by Arizona official (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hhacFAfKugFRgqyd-OAq5dCgiQsg?docId=5a5a54f344364ea8bd624615d1221f1b )

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new state motto for Arizona....the state of the dumb and dumber.

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The Associated Press: Obama birth certificate OK by Arizona official (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hhacFAfKugFRgqyd-OAq5dCgiQsg?docId=5a5a54f344364ea8bd624615d1221f1b )

If it were proven that President Obama is not a Natrual born American citizen,
would you care?

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If it were proven that President Obama is not a Natrual born American citizen,
would you care?

You still think that President Obama was born in Africa? Just because he does not have a mainstream American name and is half-black does not make him a foreigner.

There has been plenty of proof shown that he is a natural born American.

No need to play the "what if ..." game. That "what if ... " game can be asked of any situation and is worthless to discuss.

(What if the South had M-16 rifles in the Civil War? What if JFK had not been shot and killed? What if Germany and Japan had won WWII? What if Harold Schwartz had stayed in Michigan?)

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You still think that President Obama was born in Africa? Just because he does not have a mainstream American name and is half-black does not make him a foreigner.

There has been plenty of proof shown that he is a natural born American.

No need to play the "what if ..." game. That "what if ... " game can be asked of any situation and is worthless to discuss.

(What if the South had M-16 rifles in the Civil War? What if JFK had not been shot and killed? What if Germany and Japan had won WWII? What if Harold Schwartz had stayed in Michigan?)

You didn't answer.

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You still think that President Obama was born in Africa? Just because he does not have a mainstream American name and is half-black does not make him a foreigner.

There has been plenty of proof shown that he is a natural born American.

No need to play the "what if ..." game. That "what if ... " game can be asked of any situation and is worthless to discuss.

(What if the South had M-16 rifles in the Civil War? What if JFK had not been shot and killed? What if Germany and Japan had won WWII? What if Harold Schwartz had stayed in Michigan?)

Buggyone: I posted previously that in fact Obama's father did not declare himself as black but as Muslim. So did Obama until he moved to the States. so some have referred to Obama as not our first "black" preisent but rather our first "Muslim" president.

Having said that I prefer my president to be a true American, effective in his execution of policy, etc. The question of Obama birthplace is in many respects a "moot" point because his breeding is so far removed from who we are as americans that he might as well been born on Mars.

As for the ladies at the pool I am thankful for my wife because charm is not in her vocabulary when it comes to picking presidents. In fact the lady is more demanding than me. :throwtomatoes:

Play well.

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If it were proven that President Obama is not a Natrual born American citizen,
would you care?

Yes. I would care if this were the case except it is not. Even Ann Coulter has written many times that birthers have grasped onto an issue with no substance. "Liberal Media" Promoting Trump And "Birthers": Coulter (http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/04/13/liberal-media-promoting-trump-and-birthers-coulter/)

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If it were proven that President Obama is not a Natrual born American citizen,
would you care?

It's a moot point. It's been proven that he is. :(

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Leave your brain at the door and Vote by Color. That's the party's motto.

If you are implying that people should vote with their heads instead of their hearts, I agree. But birds of a feather flock together. That will NEVER change and holds true in all aspects of life. Mormons will vote for Romney, blacks for Obama, Latinos for Rubio, women for Hillary - it goes on and on. It's not the "party's motto", just human nature.

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If it were proven that President Obama is not a Natrual born American citizen,
would you care?

Would the laws he has signed be void?

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You still think that President Obama was born in Africa? Just because he does not have a mainstream American name and is half-black does not make him a foreigner.

There has been plenty of proof shown that he is a natural born American.

No need to play the "what if ..." game. That "what if ... " game can be asked of any situation and is worthless to discuss.

(What if the South had M-16 rifles in the Civil War? What if JFK had not been shot and killed? What if Germany and Japan had won WWII? What if Harold Schwartz had stayed in Michigan?)


There is prove that he is a native born citizen. From his own words he has stated that his father was not a US citizen at the time of his birth. Get it right, the natural vs native born stuff.

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Whatever!

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If it were proven that President Obama is not a Natrual born American citizen,
would you care?

if it was so proven - would he have to step down and vp biden step up? :22yikes:

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if it was so proven - would he have to step down and vp biden step up? :22yikes:

So THAT's why he keeps Biden the Gaffomatic Machine on the ticket...Looks more competent by comparison!

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Hear what George Will called Donald Trump because of his continued questioning Obama's citizenship?......an ignoramous. I don't agree with Will often but sure do on this one. :clap2:

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Would the laws he has signed be void?

I think that it would throw the country into chaos. Everything he did would be in question. That's why I hope it's not true. But I'm not convinced. There are just too many stupid questions.

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Hear what George Will called Donald Trump because of his continued questioning Obama's citizenship?......an ignoramous. I don't agree with Will often but sure do on this one. :clap2:

Liked that one too.

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Hear what George Will called Donald Trump because of his continued questioning Obama's citizenship?......an ignoramous. I don't agree with Will often but sure do on this one. :clap2:

George Will called Donald Trump a "bloviating ignoramus" on ABC's Sunday morning show yesterday, and yet Mitt Romney continues to stand with this guy even offering a chance for lunch with Trump and Romney to a lucky contributor. Why won't Romney condemn this attack, and why don't journalists ever ask Trump what his investigators found in Hawaii?

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George Will called Donald Trump a "bloviating ignoramus" on ABC's Sunday morning show yesterday, and yet Mitt Romney continues to stand with this guy even offering a chance for lunch with Trump and Romney to a lucky contributor. Why won't Romney condemn this attack, and why don't journalists ever ask Trump what his investigators found in Hawaii?

Trump is giving money to the PACs supporting Romney would be my guess. I do like Trump's Celebrity Apprentice but like very little else about the man.

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Not a Trump fan here for sure, HOWEVER, would you folks who are condemning Romney like a list of those of "questionable" character that our President is on board with NOW or in the past ??????????

The list make take more than one post !!!!

Criticize for policies...with Obama you sure do not want to get into folks he has "fraternized" with that is for sure !!!!!

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Wow! Well over a thousand "reads" aind 128 replies. That seems almost certain to be a record, even on the whole TOTV website.

Too bad it isn't on an issue that will change anything. Obama is completing his first term and notwithstanding the allegations in the post, is running for a second term. So it could be that we could have a two-term president in spite of an honest literary agent. Amazing that none of this has been addressed by the courts, or even the GOP leadership, for that matter.

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George Will called Donald Trump a "bloviating ignoramus" on ABC's Sunday morning show yesterday....Nah, The Donald doesn't even come close to Rush Limbaugh on either the bliovating or the ignoramus scales.

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Wow! Well over a thousand "reads" aind 128 replies. That seems almost certain to be a record, even on the whole TOTV website.

Too bad it isn't on an issue that will change anything. Obama is completing his first term and notwithstanding the allegations in the post, is running for a second term. So it could be that we could have a two-term president in spite of an honest literary agent. Amazing that none of this has been addressed by the courts, or even the GOP leadership, for that matter.

Nah, The Donald doesn't even come close to Rush Limbaugh on either the bliovating or the ignoramus scales.

Does anybody think that this was never investigated by the courts or addressed by the GOP because there is nothing to it? Does anybody not think that the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign turned over every rock to find something? Would it not be a simple matter to contact the Department of State and have President Obama's mother's passport searched for a trip to Africa around the time of his birth? And who is the head of the Department of State? Hillary Clinton

This birthplace of the president issue probably needs to be addressed in the future, since apparently it has never been interpreted by the Supreme Court, as we become a more integrated nation.

George Will said it, not me. Mitt Romney not only stands with Donald Trump, he never took a stand on Rush Limpbaugh's remarks about Sandra Fluke except to say he wouldn't have chosen those words. Romney will also be standing with Dick Cheney (approval rating 13%) at a fundraiser in Wyoming.
How could you not support someone who surrounds himself with the likes of these people?

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Does anybody think that this was never investigated by the courts or addressed by the GOP because there is nothing to it? Does anybody not think that the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign turned over every rock to find something? Would it not be a simple matter to contact the Department of State and have President Obama's mother's passport searched for a trip to Africa around the time of his birth? And who is the head of the Department of State? Hillary Clinton

This birthplace of the president issue probably needs to be addressed in the future, since apparently it has never been interpreted by the Supreme Court, as we become a more integrated nation.

George Will said it, not me. Mitt Romney not only stands with Donald Trump, he never took a stand on Rush Limpbaugh's remarks about Sandra Fluke except to say he wouldn't have chosen those words. Romney will also be standing with Dick Cheney (approval rating 13%) at a fundraiser in Wyoming.
How could you not support someone who surrounds himself with the likes of these people?

First thing I am going to do is express my apologies for even posting on this thread because I dont give a hoot where he was born and have said that many times, BUT I do give a hoot that our President obviously USED his place of birth through much of his life to his advantage and I suppose that is great but it is just another character issue of the guy.

Secondly wasting posts on Trump, etc or what Will said...I dont get it. All the conversation about Obama's associates (you know, Ayers, Wright, Jones, Farrakhan, etc) has been shrugged off as unimportant...so why would this be important to even mention ????

You dont care about the parade of lobbyists who visit the president why would you care about this stuff ???? You don't care about the deals he made with Pharm companies , why do you care about this ? You don't seem to care about any of his lies while in the WH (Not speaking of campaign overstatements, talking about while President), why would you care about this ?

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Well said, Bucco. The word hypocites comes to mind.

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Which is why I stopped posting on this thread Bucco. The comments from the left leaning have gotten so stupid, it's not worth debating any of it.

Ignorance and childishness is all I see here.

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Which is why I stopped posting on this thread Bucco. The comments from the left leaning have gotten so stupid, it's not worth debating any of it.

Ignorance and childishness is all I see here.

I resemble that remark!! :( :grumpy:

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I resemble that remark!! :( :grumpy:

I rest your case Richie !!!

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Which is why I stopped posting on this thread Bucco. The comments from the left leaning have gotten so stupid, it's not worth debating any of it.

Ignorance and childishness is all I see here.

stupid? That's the word I was looking for.