Pro-Choice a dealbreaker for GOP?

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Would the Republicans ever put a presidential candidate in the race if he/she was Pro-Choice?

It seems as though Mitt Romney was Pro-Choice in Massachusetts but now flipped to Anit-Abortion mode. His "strong conservative" traits seem to be up for grabs depending on the mood of the crowd.

Also, on the same issue of Pro-Choice, how can any right thinking woman believe it is best for a group of mainly white old men in Washington legislate what is her control over her own body? That kind of thinking belongs in a country such as Iran or Pakistan where the Taliban has ruling over women's rights.

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Don't get nervous, Mitt is and will revert back to pro-choice after he is elected. I am all for him doing whatever it takes to get the votes. He is the man for the job and he is man enough to stay out of womens rights. I doubt if too many Republicans will vote for Obama just because Mitt is Pro-Choice.

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Also believe that Mitt Romney will probably flip-flop on the abortion matter. He does what it takes to get elected IMHO then weighs his options after that based upon political realities.

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If I thought he was Pro-Life, it would make it harder for me to vote for him, but I have faith he will to right by women and on issues of health care also.

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I wasn't sure so I googled Past Pro-choice Presidents. Didn't find any. Doubt Mitt would be the first one.

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Also believe that Mitt Romney will probably flip-flop on the abortion matter. He does what it takes to get elected IMHO then weighs his options after that based upon political realities.

This is absurd !!!! Or is there another word to use instead, as Obama uses the word "evolve" on all of his policy fli...opps...."evolvments"

He was against super pacs, now for them
He was opposed to FISA and now is for it
He was against military tribunals and now he is for them
He was opposed to gay marriages and now he is for it
He said he would take public financing and then when he found out the due to the amount had gathered he would actually lose money so he was then against it
He said that Bush violated the constitution on a entire range of Patriot age issues and then embraced it.
He was against lobbyists working in the WH and then he was ok with it.


These are just off the top of my head...but again, Romney flip flops...Obama "evolves"

You simply post the tripe you are fed OR you just do not pay attention.

This post is simply made because of the absurd charges you level. ALL politicians change positions...ALL of them but you are repeating just what the party tells you to do.

Someday you folks tell me when to use FLIP FLOP and when to use EVOLVE !!

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Absolutely correct and that is why I am confident Romney will do the right thing for women when he is elected. If all the republicans thought he was 100% pro-life he would not have a chance of being elected. We know it, we get it and I say lets move on.

Romney in 2012.

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At this point in this election the abortion issue is actually a non-issue. Obama is pro-choice; so it's still a no brainer to vote for Romney in any case, if you're even thinking about this, as our country and our individual freedoms come crashing down around our ears.

Nice try in trying to rile your opponents, but a major fail, in my eyes.

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The diversion technique does not work. The topic was on Romney being either Pro-Choice or Anti-Abortion depending on the crowd he is wooing on any particular day.

The topic was also asking how any free thinking woman could allow a congress of basically old white men in Washington dictate how she could use her own body. That basically is the technique of the Taliban in Iraq and Pakistan and is not needed in the USA.

The individual right of a woman's free choice is one RichieLion talks of that comes crashing down just like in Iraq or Pakistan.

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I certainly would not want to diminsh the importance of pro-life/choice issue in peoples lives but honestly the deciding factor for a person's choice for president is going to hang on that one issue. Really! I guess it explains why Obama and Romney are spending so muich time on the campaign trail talking about it.

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The diversion technique does not work. The topic was on Romney being either Pro-Choice or Anti-Abortion depending on the crowd he is wooing on any particular day.

The topic was also asking how any free thinking woman could allow a congress of basically old white men in Washington dictate how she could use her own body. That basically is the technique of the Taliban in Iraq and Pakistan and is not needed in the USA.

The individual right of a woman's free choice is one RichieLion talks of that comes crashing down just like in Iraq or Pakistan.

No diversion here. You mentioned an issue and I'm speaking to the issue. I believe "the issue" is a non-issue.

Next question?

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I certainly would not want to diminsh the importance of pro-life/choice issue in peoples lives but honestly the deciding factor for a person's choice for president is going to hang on that one issue. Really! I guess it explains why Obama and Romney are spending so muich time on the campaign trail talking about it.

Buggy's just trying to prop up the failed Democrat campaign of a "Republican's war on women".

I hear that the famous 39 pound cat that was in the news has recently died. This proving for one and all the "Republican war on cats".

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I certainly would not want to diminsh the importance of pro-life/choice issue in peoples lives but honestly the deciding factor for a person's choice for president is going to hang on that one issue. Really! I guess it explains why Obama and Romney are spending so muich time on the campaign trail talking about it.

Put yourself in your daughter's or grand-daughter's shoes and you may think that pro-choice is one of the very big issues in this campaign. Why should a group of old white men in Washington determine how your daughter or grand daughter should use their own bodies? Read the book called, "Our Bodies, Our Selves".

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Put yourself in your daughter's or grand-daughter's shoes and you may think that pro-choice is one of the very big issues in this campaign. Why should a group of old white men in Washington determine how they should use their own bodies? Read the book called, "Our Bodies, Our Selves".

Just seems to me that Mitt Romney is preaching to his congregation to get elected President. He needs the pro-life block to get elected; so, he will probably change his position once in office.

This does not seem to be an important issue to him given how many times he has changed his position on abortion. Mitt Romney on Abortion (http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Mitt_Romney_Abortion.htm) Political positions of Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mitt_Romney)

Rick Santorum would have stuck to his guns on abortion-- against it as far as I can tell-- but do not see Mitt Romney staying on one side or another. Rick Santorum on the Issues (http://www.ontheissues.org/Rick_Santorum.htm)

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The diversion technique does not work. The topic was on Romney being either Pro-Choice or Anti-Abortion depending on the crowd he is wooing on any particular day.

The topic was also asking how any free thinking woman could allow a congress of basically old white men in Washington dictate how she could use her own body. That basically is the technique of the Taliban in Iraq and Pakistan and is not needed in the USA.

The individual right of a woman's free choice is one RichieLion talks of that comes crashing down just like in Iraq or Pakistan.

Which way do the old women in Congress lean on the issue?

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The diversion technique does not work. The topic was on Romney being either Pro-Choice or Anti-Abortion depending on the crowd he is wooing on any particular day.

The topic was also asking how any free thinking woman could allow a congress of basically old white men in Washington dictate how she could use her own body. That basically is the technique of the Taliban in Iraq and Pakistan and is not needed in the USA.

The individual right of a woman's free choice is one RichieLion talks of that comes crashing down just like in Iraq or Pakistan.

Is not the law of the land pro abortion? Rather than this discussion lets talk about the law of land on immigration that this administration refuses to enforce along with a few others.

Why discuss this when we have laws in this land that are left NON enforced.

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Is not the law of the land pro abortion? Rather than this discussion lets talk about the law of land on immigration that this administration refuses to enforce along with a few others.

Why discuss this when we have laws in this land that are left NON enforced.
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Is not the law of the land pro abortion? Rather than this discussion lets talk about the law of land on immigration that this administration refuses to enforce along with a few others.

Why discuss this when we have laws in this land that are left NON enforced.

Mitt Romney would like to overturn the law of the land and repeal Roe vs Wade. With him it's a religious issue. Mormans are very anti-abortion, except in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the woman. They have very strict beliefs about fidelity and don't even believe that women should work outside the home.

How Romney came out for a woman's right to choose and gay rights in 1994 when running against Ted Kennedy is beyond comprehension.


Mormons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons)

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Is not the law of the land pro abortion? Rather than this discussion lets talk about the law of land on immigration that this administration refuses to enforce along with a few others.

Why discuss this when we have laws in this land that are left NON enforced.

I agree 100% on this. It's part of the bad economy and Government bleeding. I'm beginning to believe that others are trying to lead the flocks away from real issues.

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The diversion technique is in full mode here. The Republicans do not want to talk about ProChoice. Yet, their presumptive candidate has said he wants to repeal Roe v Wade immediately. Has the Taliban in the form of Mitt Romney come to town? Legislating personal choice of what women can do with their own bodies is a technique of the Taliban.

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Mitt Romney would like to overturn the law of the land and repeal Roe vs Wade. With him it's a religious issue. Mormans are very anti-abortion, except in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the woman. They have very strict beliefs about fidelity and don't even believe that women should work outside the home.

How Romney came out for a woman's right to choose and gay rights in 1994 when running against Ted Kennedy is beyond comprehension.


Mormons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons)

Will need a link to validate your claim about Romney wanting to overturn the law of the land. Does he agree...probably not...but you will need to validate his intention to overturn the law of the land.

I would talk to Obama's religious beliefs but we are not allowed to do that if, in fact, there are any as he does not often attend church and the Wright stuff where he learned his religion is racist to discuss so you got me there !

I also was under the impression that you party did not want religion brought into this campaign....are you defying your leader ?

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The diversion technique is in full mode here. The Republicans do not want to talk about ProChoice. Yet, their presumptive candidate has said he wants to repeal Roe v Wade immediately. Has the Taliban in the form of Mitt Romney come to town? Legislating personal choice of what women can do with their own bodies is a technique of the Taliban.

Our body of Government includes women. Your fear mongering of Taliban rule means nothing. Just spreading Bolshevik propaganda.

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The diversion technique is in full mode here. The Republicans do not want to talk about ProChoice. Yet, their presumptive candidate has said he wants to repeal Roe v Wade immediately. Has the Taliban in the form of Mitt Romney come to town? Legislating personal choice of what women can do with their own bodies is a technique of the Taliban.

I will talk about pro choice but you are unable except when you can "aim" at Romney, and for some reason (I suppose one of the feeds you guys are supplied info from) you have to talk about the Taliban to make it as hateful as you can. This is how you guys do it.

I mention the feed because you and one other poster are pretty much in sync on a regular basis !

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Bucco, I took care of the issue you asked about. I did not know it was there and it is now gone.

The link regarding Romney and Roe v Wade Mitt Romney Calls for Overturning Roe vs Wade Decision | LifeNews.com (http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/22/mitt-romney-calls-for-overturning-roe-vs-wade-decision/)

Nope, I do not have any "feeds". Last one I had was at Mallory Hill Country Club last night for all the tilapia you can eat for $11. Excellent, too.

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"Nope, I do not have any "feeds". Last one I had was at Mallory Hill Country Club last night for all the tilapia you can eat for $11. Excellent, too."

Dang, now you are diverting with the food technique. :ho: Good price.

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Bucco, I took care of the issue you asked about. I did not know it was there and it is now gone.

The link regarding Romney and Roe v Wade Mitt Romney Calls for Overturning Roe vs Wade Decision | LifeNews.com (http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/22/mitt-romney-calls-for-overturning-roe-vs-wade-decision/)

Nope, I do not have any "feeds". Last one I had was at Mallory Hill Country Club last night for all the tilapia you can eat for $11. Excellent, too.

Thanks for the link and for taking care of the issue.

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Will need a link to validate your claim about Romney wanting to overturn the law of the land. Does he agree...probably not...but you will need to validate his intention to overturn the law of the land.

I would talk to Obama's religious beliefs but we are not allowed to do that if, in fact, there are any as he does not often attend church and the Wright stuff where he learned his religion is racist to discuss so you got me there !

I also was under the impression that you party did not want religion brought into this campaign....are you defying your leader ?

Mitt Romney's quote is "I support the reversal of Roe vs Wade because it is bad law and bad medicine".


In case you didn't notice, this is not the campaign. It is a political forum.


PolitiFact | Mitt Romney evolved significantly in his position on abortion (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/15/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-evolved-significantly-his-position-abo/)

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The diversion technique is in full mode here. The Republicans do not want to talk about ProChoice. Yet, their presumptive candidate has said he wants to repeal Roe v Wade immediately. Has the Taliban in the form of Mitt Romney come to town? Legislating personal choice of what women can do with their own bodies is a technique of the Taliban.

What's to talk about? You know I'm pro-life, like all Conservatives and most Republicans. We're not going to vote for Obama; no way, no how. Romney is the presumptive candidate for President this year. We're going to vote for Romney. It's as simple as that. Thus, like I said, this discussion is a non-issue.

I don't think it's even going to be a key consideration for so-called Independents. There's too much else of much greater importance that dictates the end of this dangerous regime of Obama.

If you're desperate to talk about abortion, I'm more than happy to. You know I like to throw religion right in the face of Christians who claim a "pro-choice" (I say pro-abortion) stance. How can Christians deny the existence of the baby's soul. When are you taught the soul enters the body? Does God wait until the baby takes a breath of air, and then shoots the soul in there?

Christians won't speak to that argument, like Democrats won't speak to Obama accomplishments or Obama's record.

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Put yourself in your daughter's or grand-daughter's shoes and you may think that pro-choice is one of the very big issues in this campaign. Why should a group of old white men in Washington determine how your daughter or grand daughter should use their own bodies? Read the book called, "Our Bodies, Our Selves".

Hi buggyone: First a group of white guys made Roe v Wade the law of the land and since that time some 54 million abortions have taken place according to American Family Association.

Secondly let's take the issue of pro choice down to its most common use. A woman says Geeezzz, pregnant again. Oh well I'll exercise my pro choice rights and go to Planned Parenthood again and get rid of the little bugger free of charge . Because that's how you get to 54 million abortions so quickly. Buggyone this nation cannot have a serious discussion on this issue until we acknowledge that it is being abused by many. Its present application is simply too absolute and given the seriousness of this decision it merits many considerations including the fact that if you are not prepared for children then perhaps a woman needs to make some adjustments for no other reason than for her sake. There are some difficult situations such as a woman's health being placed in jepodary or a child who will be born with a disability that merit serious and deep discussion

Thirdly "choice" is juxtapostion in the case of abortion women should utilize their choices wisely to avoid getting pregnant. God knows sciene has made some impressive advances in birth control methods. I mean wasn't that what the feminist movement was all about??????? Repeated and unwanted pregnancies philosophically equates to some sort of subordinated position by females which negates it all

I opine you decide.

Personal Best Regards:

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So why have the republicans made it a priority to get rid of birth control? Mitt Romney told Mike Huckabee on his TV show that he was in favor of a personhood amendment, which would in fact outlaw most birth control and outlaw invitro-fertilization.

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So why have the republicans made it a priority to get rid of birth control? Mitt Romney told Mike Huckabee on his TV show that he was in favor of a personhood amendment, which would in fact outlaw most birth control and outlaw invitro-fertilization.

Priority? Come on now. I think the Republican priority is the economy.

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Hi buggyone: First a group of white guys made Roe v Wade the law of the land and since that time some 54 million abortions have taken place according to American Family Association.

Secondly let's take the issue of pro choice down to its most common use. A woman says Geeezzz, pregnant again. Oh well I'll exercise my pro choice rights and go to Planned Parenthood again and get rid of the little bugger free of charge . Because that's how you get to 54 million abortions so quickly. Buggyone this nation cannot have a serious discussion on this issue until we acknowledge that it is being abused by many. Its present application is simply too absolute and given the seriousness of this decision it merits many considerations including the fact that if you are not prepared for children then perhaps a woman needs to make some adjustments for no other reason than for her sake. There are some difficult situations such as a woman's health being placed in jepodary or a child who will be born with a disability that merit serious and deep discussion

Thirdly "choice" is juxtapostion in the case of abortion women should utilize their choices wisely to avoid getting pregnant. God knows sciene has made some impressive advances in birth control methods. I mean wasn't that what the feminist movement was all about??????? Repeated and unwanted pregnancies philosophically equates to some sort of subordinated position by females which negates it all

I opine you decide.

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It is the law of the land for right now - and hopefully will stay that way. Republicans want to overturn Roe v Wade and it would only take an Executive Order (I believe) to do so.

Women have the right to their own bodies without morality being legislated to control it.

I would hate to see abortions being outlawed like they were before the late 1960's. Birth control is the best possible idea but a woman still has the personal choice of what to do with her own body.

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It is the law of the land for right now - and hopefully will stay that way. Republicans want to overturn Roe v Wade and it would only take an Executive Order (I believe) to do so.

Women have the right to their own bodies without morality being legislated to control it.

I would hate to see abortions being outlawed like they were before the late 1960's. Birth control is the best possible idea but a woman still has the personal choice of what to do with her own body.

I don't believe an executive order can overturn a Supreme Court decision. If it could you might as well disband the highest court in the land and proclaim the President as Emperor.

Someday though, may babies will have rights also. Maybe a baby's human soul will be recognized. Even maybe, evil will be seen for what it is.

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I don't believe an executive order can overturn a Supreme Court decision. If it could you might as well disband the highest court in the land and proclaim the President as Emperor.

Someday though, may babies will have rights also. Maybe a baby's human soul will be recognized. Even maybe, evil will be seen for what it is.

It's called the personhood amendment which Mitt Romney favors. He's even to the right of Mississippi voters, who voted this down, and the Oklahoma legislature which likewise voted it down. It would in effect ban most birth control and in-vitro fertilization.

It's hard to comprehend how republicans can be against abortion and birth control. Birth control lowers the abortion rate. Secretary Sebelius has done more for lowering the abortion rate than anyone by inserting the free contraceptions into the Affordable Care Act.

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So why have the republicans made it a priority to get rid of birth control? Mitt Romney told Mike Huckabee on his TV show that he was in favor of a personhood amendment, which would in fact outlaw most birth control and outlaw invitro-fertilization.

Priority? Come on now. I think the Republican priority is the economy.

I said "a priority" not their number one priority. Did you sleep through the whole republican primary when Santorum said birth control should be banished? Do you remember the Sandra Fluke incident? The list goes on and on.

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I don't believe an executive order can overturn a Supreme Court decision. If it could you might as well disband the highest court in the land and proclaim the President as Emperor.

Someday though, may babies will have rights also. Maybe a baby's human soul will be recognized. Even maybe, evil will be seen for what it is.

The Supreme Court of the US can nullify an Executive Order. There was an attempt to do this against the Executive Order (9066) for Japanese-American Internment Camps in WWII.
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I said "a priority" not their number one priority. Did you sleep through the whole republican primary when Santorum said birth control should be banished? Do you remember the Sandra Fluke incident? The list goes on and on.

No I was wide awake and stated on this forum that I didn't like Mr. Santorum.

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Isn't it interesting and somewhat curious that not one pro-choice advocate on this thread has mentioned "personal responsibility vis a vis personal rights. This absence of personal responsibility delinates the liberal agenda of I want and so I am so entitled but without sacriface, without acting out in a personal responsible manner. Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.. Liberals now chime in with your distractions instead of addressing the issue of personal responsibility. Remember what we sow is what we reap:boom: Like the guy on TV says that's me dropping knowledge on you:MOJE_whot:

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it would do well for some when characterizing groups for example on abortion and stating SOME republicans instead of the partisan preferred broad brush...Republicans....people just don't seem to be able to NOT generalize when they make a statement...... minority entities flourish with generalizations.

btk

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"Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.."

All people who use food stamps are purchasing $41 ice-cream cakes? Of course not and that is not what you meant. Just a very poor example you gave.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person.

On a personal basis, I would have to ask you if your unmarried daughter or unmarried grand-daughter got pregnant and told you they had an abortion because they did not want a child at that time, would you support them in their decision or turn away from them?

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Isn't it interesting and somewhat curious that not one pro-choice advocate on this thread has mentioned "personal responsibility vis a vis personal rights. This absence of personal responsibility delinates the liberal agenda of I want and so I am so entitled but without sacriface, without acting out in a personal responsible manner. Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.. Liberals now chime in with your distractions instead of addressing the issue of personal responsibility. Remember what we sow is what we reap:boom: Like the guy on TV says that's me dropping knowledge on you:MOJE_whot:

Of course everyone should assume "personal responsibility vis a vis person rights", but most republicans want to ban both birth control AND abortion. Do republicans want to be known as the war on sex party, as well as the war on women and the war on same sex couples party?

In order for women to assume personal responsibility for their reproductive rights, which some republicans deny them, they need to have those tools, ie birth control pills, at their disposal. Not every family today can afford to have a dozen kids to raise.


Read all about the campaign against women.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/20/opinion/sunday/the-attack-on-women-is-real.html?_r=1&smid=tw-share

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"Its why a Wall Sreet article concerning "food stamps points out that people with an average of $96,000 shop at Costco while people with food stamps are found to be purchasing as an eample a $41 ice cream cake.."

All people who use food stamps are purchasing $41 ice-cream cakes? Of course not and that is not what you meant. Just a very poor example you gave.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person.

On a personal basis, I would have to ask you if your unmarried daughter or unmarried grand-daughter got pregnant and told you they had an abortion because they did not want a child at that time, would you support them in their decision or turn away from them?

buggyone: The reality is that many vendors understand that there is gold in them dare food stamps and so a liquidity market was created so that food stamp receipients can cash them in to buy booze and cigarettes. The abuse in government programs are predictable because pols start up programs never settin g up proper monitoring programs and move on to starting up more transfer programs. I truly wish the $41 ic cream cake was an exception. Fighting fraud is a full time job but alas our pols have short attention spans

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buggyone: The reality is that many vendors understand that there is gold in them dare food stamps and so a liquidity market was created so that food stamp receipients can cash them in to buy booze and cigarettes. The abuse in government programs are predictable because pols start up programs never settin g up proper monitoring programs and move on to starting up more transfer programs. I truly wish the $41 ic cream cake was an exception. Fighting fraud is a full time job but alas our pols have short attention spans

Your posting had absolutely no relevance to the topic of the thread.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person.

On a personal basis, I would have to ask you if your unmarried daughter or unmarried grand-daughter got pregnant and told you they had an abortion because they did not want a child at that time, would you support them in their decision or turn away from them?

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As President Obama noted, this is an issue for the states. The Federal Government, absent a Constitutional Amendment, has no voice in the matter. So why are all these peoples getting their panties in a wad worrying about where a candidate for national office stands on this issue?

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it is ridiculous to continually assert that the republican party wishes to ban birth control...we wish to eliminate pills which cause abortions the morning after...we do not wish to be forced to pay for birth control for anyone, nor to pay ins premiums to pay for it for others. next they will want the govt to be paying for everyone's food! oh, yes, more and more of us are getting to that point, aren't we?

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Do all Democrats support the killing of unborn babies? Are all those who value the life of all, all Republican?

I'm finding that a bit hard to process.

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Do all Democrats support the killing of unborn babies? Are all those who value the life of all, all Republican?

I'm finding that a bit hard to process.


Obviously, Republicans do not all favor the value of life. Look at George W. Bush who sent American troops to invade Iraq with his lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction and saying Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Over 4,400 American lives were lost and tens of thousands wounded and scarred emotionally and physically for life.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person

But back to ProChoice - if Catholics are such strong supporters of "ProLife", why is it that over 90 percent of Catholic women use birth control? According to the official site of the Catholic church, birth control of any kind is wrong. Obviously, they do not practice what is preached.

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Do all Democrats support the killing of unborn babies? Are all those who value the life of all, all Republican?

I'm finding that a bit hard to process.

So do I.:(

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Obviously, Republicans do not all favor the value of life. Look at George W. Bush who sent American troops to invade Iraq with his lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction and saying Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Over 4,400 American lives were lost and tens of thousands wounded and scarred emotionally and physically for life.

Is it only "liberals" who believe in abortions? Doesn't a "conservative" ever have an abortion? Get real - of course a conservative will get an abortion if they want to stop an unwanted pregnancy. That is as silly as saying there is not such a thing as a conservative gay or lesbian person

But back to ProChoice - if Catholics are such strong supporters of "ProLife", why is it that over 90 percent of Catholic women use birth control? According to the official site of the Catholic church, birth control of any kind is wrong. Obviously, they do not practice what is preached.

I only asked about political party views because all the pro-life and pro-abortion stances on this forum seem to be falling along political partisan lines.

"Pro-life" analogies to war is bogus. Ask about FDR in the same equation. Ask about George Washington. Ask about Abraham Lincoln. Your "brilliant" thought is profoundly............NOT.

"Birth control", is against the teachings of the Catholic Church, but it is not abortion and therefore is irrelevant to this discussion. Birth control prevents the formation of a human being, but it isn't the murder of one.

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Birth Control: Protecting the "Dreams of Our Daughters" | RH Reality Check (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/05/17/birth-control-as-common-in-our-medicine-cabinets-as-cough-syrup)

This is basically an ad for Obama's re-election but is does make birth control an issue in this year's election.


Robert Creamer: Why the War on Birth Control Is a Political Disaster for the GOP (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/why-the-war-on-birth-cont_b_1288802.html)

The article above does go into why birth control and the Republicans' stance on it is important.

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"I only asked about political party views because all the pro-life and pro-abortion stances on this forum seem to be falling along political partisan lines."

Very interesting about the pro-life and pro-choice stances. While it does seem that most pro-life are Republicans, that most Catholics vote Democrat. I have known some very staunch pro-life friends who never would vote anything but Democrat based on the social issues of the party vs those of the Republicans. Therefore, my question at the top of the thread is answered that a Pro-Choice Republican does have a chance of winning the Presidency.

Obviously, not all Catholics vote Democrat just as all Methodists vote Republican.

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Catholics who vote for pro-abortion candidates have their own consciences to rassle.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You cannot consider yourself a good and observant Christian and support the killing of innocent unborn babies, under any circumstance.

It makes you the worst kind of hypocrite to deny the soul of that developing human being.

[Guest]

Bit of a fascinating history of abortion with regards to the position the Catholic Church has had on it since it's inception here:

Catholics for Choice | The History of Abortion (http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/pubs/cfc_archive/articles/TheHistoryofAbortion.asp)