Follow the leader...

[Guest]

I am sort of piggybacking on a thread that seemingly blames one party for all our problems.....we need to follow our leader, the President...this is what we evidently respect in leadership...

You really need to read this to understand what to do and how it is done.

It is an article concerning how he has lied...oops..sorry, cant think of any other words for it.....on the lobby situation...he has always condemned them...always said what he would do, BUT NEVER HAS...fact DOES THE OPPOSITE. ....He lectures us and others on how it is done but it is like most of what this man says...empty lies.

This is the last paragraph.....the facts are layed out very rigidly...this is not an opinion piece except for the summary...he gives FACTS, something foreign to a few...

"Now hypocrisy is not an unknown quality in a politician. But what sets Obama apart from almost everyone else is the lengths Obama goes to in order to portray himself as morally superior to the rest of the political class even as he acts in ways that completely shatter his claims. He reminds me of the minister who cannot help from condemning the very sin to which he is beholden. And so as recently as last month Obama was saying, “A lot of folks see the amounts of money that are being spent and the special interests that dominate and the lobbyists that always have access, and they say to themselves, maybe I don’t count.”

What’s impossible to know is the degree to which Obama is alarmingly cynical or the degree to which he is alarmingly self-deluded. Whatever the case, he is a man whose words mean nothing. Nothing at all."

The Fraudulence of Obama « Commentary Magazine (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/22/fraudulence-of-obama-and-lobbyists/)

By the way, the lies he has told on this started in 2007 and continues as of this day !!!!!

[Guest]

Commentary Magazine??? LOL - this is the neocon stuff you read?

A reich wing piece of garbage. What's the matter, couldn't find anything else to read?

Now, since you are so concerned about Presidents telling lies, try this on ...
be forewarned, you will need a couple of weeks to get though all these lies.

List Of George W. Bush Lies (http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/bush-lies.html)

[Guest]

Commentary Magazine??? LOL - this is the neocon stuff you read?

A reich wing piece of garbage. What's the matter, couldn't find anything else to read?

Now, since you are so concerned about Presidents telling lies, try this on ...
be forewarned, you will need a couple of weeks to get though all these lies.

List Of George W. Bush Lies (http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/bush-lies.html)

SO which part of the factual stuff do you find fault with ? What part is not factual ? It is all true...the fact that leads this guy to the same conclusion I have is not relevant nor is your link. I read history but not on the net for the most part

[Guest]

A certain poster wanted to talk issues but just continues on the same, tired, thing about some supposed fabrications by Pres. Obama. IF there were any fabrications, they did not kill over 4,400 Americans like the lies told by Weasel Bush.

The latest polls have shown Pres. Obama leading Willard by several points in every way.

Get used to Pres. Obama. He is going to be YOUR president for another term.

[Guest]

"They will not run our party. They will not run our White House. They will not drown out the views of the American people.” And in August, 2008, Obama said this: ““I suffer from the same original sin of all politicians, which is we’’ve got to raise money. But my argument has been and will continue to be that the disproportionate influence of lobbyists and special interest is a problem in Washington and in state capitals.”


A 100% accurate statement. They do not run the Party and they (lobbyists) do not run the WH.

Your link means absolutely nothing. It is nothing more than reich wing talking points. Nothing that hasn't been cut-and-pasted a dozen times in numerous right-wing blogs over the last 3 years. The lobbyist stories are right up there with the birth certificate stories.

[Guest]

A certain poster wanted to talk issues but just continues on the same, tired, thing about some supposed fabrications by Pres. Obama. IF there were any fabrications, they did not kill over 4,400 Americans like the lies told by Weasel Bush.

The latest polls have shown Pres. Obama leading Willard by several points in every way.

Get used to Pres. Obama. He is going to be YOUR president for another term.

Again, what facts have been fabricated. You keep saying this but never give any facts yourself.

I know when you guys have no answer because you can book that Bush;s name will be in the post and how do you know that I would disagree with you on Bush. I am posting on TODAY

[Guest]

FACT: lobbyists do not run the Party.
FACT: lobbyists do not run our White House.

[Guest]

FACT: lobbyists do not run the Party.
FACT: lobbyists do not run our White House.

I am sure you will post a quote where that accusation is made ?

I do not recall it at all.

The article, from my point of view simply spoke to what Obama has said about lobbyists both in the WH and in general and what he actually has done in those regards.

[Guest]

Bucco,like a lot of your posts this is not a game changer. These allegations will not change anyones vote. Your shotgun approach to Obama where a different issue is raised daily is getting old and really serves no purpose other than to entertain your allies. You are as guilty as those you bash that you claim did the same to Bush.

[Guest]

sounds like to me when the only response to an issue is what Bush did similarly or worse is being presented as a basis that it is OK if Obama does it since Bush did.....confirming the accusation being made about Obama.

I am also amazed at the consistently limited scope of visibility that some have...that being limited to Obama = good....Bush = bad (unless it was something Obama did as well!). So very predictable when limited in this manner.

btk

[Guest]

Bucco,like a lot of your posts this is not a game changer. These allegations will not change anyones vote. Your shotgun approach to Obama where a different issue is raised daily is getting old and really serves no purpose other than to entertain your allies. You are as guilty as those you bash that you claim did the same to Bush.


This is your opinion and is respected. I assume then that you are happy as a lark with the hidden agendas, the lying, etc. since you never ever dispute any of it, just choose to get upset at the person calling it to your attention.

If anyone is "entertained" by what is happening in this country, we are in worse shape than I thought.

[Guest]

This is your opinion and is respected. I assume then that you are happy as a lark with the hidden agendas, the lying, etc. since you never ever dispute any of it, just choose to get upset at the person calling it to your attention.

If anyone is "entertained" by what is happening in this country, we are in worse shape than I thought.




Lies? Here's a doozy for ya ............

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/opinion/creating-jobs-wasnt-romneys-job.html?_r=1

[Guest]

Lies? Here's a doozy for ya ............

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/opinion/creating-jobs-wasnt-romneys-job.html?_r=1

Steve Rattner...are you serious ? You have got to be kidding me. THE LEAD ADVISOR for Obama economics. What did you expect him to say.

I might add that on this issue I am in the middle...I do understand his point but find the ads to be extremely offensive in that they surely do not potray what he is saying.

BUT COME ON...Steve Rattner ??? PLEASE do some investigating before you link to things

[Guest]

Bucco,it's your perogative to write what you feel is important. It just seems to me that you cry wolf far too much. Obama has not been perfect,mistakes have been made,even his most ardent supporters will admit that. But to paint him as an evil, communist,alien who is purposely destroying America is ludicrous at best and at worst a downright lie. You don't like his policies,fine but give me an alternative. When the oppositions main mantra is to make sure he is not re-elected and they always vote the same no matter the issue I have a problem with them. Does Obama have all the answers? No. But the other side is no better.

[Guest]

Steve Rattner...are you serious ? You have got to be kidding me. THE LEAD ADVISOR for Obama economics. What did you expect him to say.

I might add that on this issue I am in the middle...I do understand his point but find the ads to be extremely offensive in that they surely do not potray what he is saying.

BUT COME ON...Steve Rattner ??? PLEASE do some investigating before you link to things





Mitt Romney: Did He Create A Hundred Thousand Jobs Or Kill Seven Thousand? | Right Wing News (http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/mitt-romney-did-he-create-100-thousand-jobs-or-kill-7-thousand/)

[Guest]

Billthekid: The reason for that is because it's a way of saying that going for Romney is like going for a third term for Bush. If Bush did {pick your poison} worse than Obama, then voting for Romney would be taking a step backwards.

That's why so many Republicans keep saying "stop blaming Bush" - because the comparisons keep getting made. But they get made for a valid reason. Back in 1984 nobody was telling Reagan to stop blaming Carter - because Reagan had a very valid point that things were getting better but that not all the damage from Carter and the Democrat-dominated Capitol Hill gangs had been undone. I believe one of the slogans was "Stay The Course".

[Guest]

Bucco,it's your perogative to write what you feel is important. It just seems to me that you cry wolf far too much. Obama has not been perfect,mistakes have been made,even his most ardent supporters will admit that. But to paint him as an evil, communist,alien who is purposely destroying America is ludicrous at best and at worst a downright lie. You don't like his policies,fine but give me an alternative. When the oppositions main mantra is to make sure he is not re-elected and they always vote the same no matter the issue I have a problem with them. Does Obama have all the answers? No. But the other side is no better.

You will need to give me a link or paste and copy where I ever said or even hinted at communist, evil or alien.

He IS a liar who conned hmself into the WH and I would strongly...even more than strongly suggest you do some reading on what party is doing what instead of listening to the MSM....check the government sites. I think you will find that both parties are at fault, BUT to the point, I think you will find almost THREE HUNDRED BILLS...300....passed by the house and sent to the Senate where they just sit. WHY? Because of politics and the plans for spending AFTER THIS ELECTION. I am not making this up... I am not giving you my selected site for it...I am just suggesting that again you are very misinformed. The Democratic senate has not even discussed or voted on or brought to the floor a UNITED STATES BUDGET....WHY ? POLITICS TOTALLY !

But the Democrats have done a great job in framing the other party has blocking and I am sure that they do at times but if you really and honestly look at the senate, AND the house you will find that EVEN DEMOCRATS are getting tired of the Senate, controlled I might add by the Democrats

I have never ever "paint him as an evil, communist,alien who is purposely destroying America" as you suggest.

I DO KNOW that he lies and has been lying. He lied us into a GIGANTIC FIASCO called a health care bill, on which I actually was ready to support him but again he allowed politics to rule and went in the back room made blackmail deals and forgot totally what he promised,,,,,health care costs, tort reform, open discussions, etc. HE DID NOT ONE THING he promised and then made deals with the drug companies and put us on a track to financial disaster......you check out and see if what I am saying is not fact.......PLEASE.

He totally lied about the lobbyists (I started a thread on that)..and continues to lie about it.......I have no idea where he was born and at this point dont care, BUT I do care about a President who has mislead so many people on where he was born.

I could go on but your post is totally wrong. I never have said one word about him personally....ever. Every time I post something I try my best to post links and information to validate my thoughts....I dont just say hateful things about him in one liners as is the norm from you side of the aisle.

The other side, in this case is better. It was also in 2008 and not because of McCain or even Romney. I predicted in 2008 what was going to happen AND IT DID. He forgot jobs for over a year and did the health care thing and you still support him ? Without having to face the electorate he will be worse and if not for the 2010 elections we would already be Greece.

I simply ask people to just forget his sweet talk...his charisma and READ....READ of his background...READ what he had the audacity to bury in the healthcare bill. READ on the thread here about his negotiations on a "european style" plan that has the effect of eliminating our plans to manufacture in this country. I am just asking you to read. I keep getting upset with folks and I maybe can say it better,, but NOBODY comes on here and defends this man with facts, only with negative about somebody else or to make fun. THAT is how we got here.

Enough said you are reading anyway

[Guest]

my outlook is much more basic.
I do not believe in playing or allowing the blame game....no matter what!!

My interests political, business or anything else are in the here and now. Identify the problem...make a plan to do something about it...follow the plan to be sure actions/results stay on track...adjust the plan as required but not the objective...put a time on when things are to happen/stop/change...assign who is responsible....FOLLOW UP until objective accomplished.

If whoever is responsible or assigned the task and they can't/won't don't get the job done....put someone in charge that will.

People talking about why something could not be done is a waste of time. Give me someone who will tell me what they are going to do to get something done.

I do 100% of the time expect people to do what they say/promise they will do....100%....

there is no room EVER for blame as an excuse.

All the above is why I have a problem with Obama and the congress....and anybody else (R or D, race, gender, religion, etc) who either does not or is incapable of doing their job.

btk

[Guest]

Billthekid: The reason for that is because it's a way of saying that going for Romney is like going for a third term for Bush. If Bush did {pick your poison} worse than Obama, then voting for Romney would be taking a step backwards.

That's why so many Republicans keep saying "stop blaming Bush" - because the comparisons keep getting made. But they get made for a valid reason. Back in 1984 nobody was telling Reagan to stop blaming Carter - because Reagan had a very valid point that things were getting better but that not all the damage from Carter and the Democrat-dominated Capitol Hill gangs had been undone. I believe one of the slogans was "Stay The Course".

I would welcome you or anyone to come on this forum and tell us what the 'course" is. That would be instead of the negative things about everyone else and the lack of discussion of facts.

Tell us what happened when this President LIED to us on the Health care bill and now the potential from his lying and sneaking is more than the original health care bill. Tell us the "course" is now for health care which continues to rise.

Tell us which President we should believe on lobbying. The one who keeps talking to this day about them NOT being involved but continues to run the most lobby controlled office ever. What is the "course" on that ?

Tell us why instead of working on JOBS, our President spent a year, not talking to us, but behind closed doors on health care...not JOBS. What is the "course" for jojbs since he does not tell the truth about that either and places these ads (NOT the Bain ads) that are just flat out lies. What is that "course"

Tell us what the "course" for a US budget is ? Tell us why we have not had one for 3 years ? Could it be strictly political ?

Tell us the "course" on congress....both parties are seriously flawed but 300 bills passed by the house sit unattended in the senate, and nothing is happening..no pressure from this President. What is the "course"

Lots more but do not expect any answers on what I posted. All that is posted are cliches, ridicule, etc. So tell us what is the course ??

PS....by the way, I totally endorse BTK' post. This man was not qualified when he was elected and he is not now. He rails about Wall st and his administration and fundraising is all about Wall St.....there are so many contradictions that are so apparent but everyone likes him as they keep saying. GREAT reason to be president

[Guest]

Bucco,it's your perogative to write what you feel is important. It just seems to me that you cry wolf far too much. Obama has not been perfect,mistakes have been made,even his most ardent supporters will admit that. But to paint him as an evil, communist,alien who is purposely destroying America is ludicrous at best and at worst a downright lie. You don't like his policies,fine but give me an alternative. When the oppositions main mantra is to make sure he is not re-elected and they always vote the same no matter the issue I have a problem with them. Does Obama have all the answers? No. But the other side is no better.

:BigApplause:

[Guest]

Bucco,I'll present one example of what I mean. The student loan interest bill. Simply put it would keep the current interest rate instead of raise it. No add-ons,nothing else attached to it.It would be payed for by closing one loop hole that the rich use to pay less taxes. Yet the repubs refuse to support it and vote against it. Why? Politics. Do not let the President have any success,none. So the kids suffer and the rich get richer.

[Guest]

Bucco,I'll present one example of what I mean. The student loan interest bill. Simply put it would keep the current interest rate instead of raise it. No add-ons,nothing else attached to it.It would be payed for by closing one loop hole that the rich use to pay less taxes. Yet the repubs refuse to support it and vote against it. Why? Politics. Do not let the President have any success,none. So the kids suffer and the rich get richer.

You do realize that the problem in passing this is the way to finance it. Actually it is politics by the Dems on this one

The Dems wish to do it by forcing high-earning stockholders in some privately owned corporations and professional practices to pay additional Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes.

The Republicans want to pay for it by abolishing a preventive health program created by Obama's 2010 health care overhaul.

The democrats and all KNOW FOR A FACT that a compromise will be had.....fact is that Reid voted against the bill to allow him the right to bring it up for a another vote.

They refuse to vote on the Republican version by the way.

It is just a way to be able to say what you are saying.

Sorry....you can check it out if you wish....it will be passed but the Dems actually FORCED the vote so that folks like you will be saying just what you are saying.

PS If you find it any different than what I have posted, let me know publicly on here with a link and I will publicly apologize

[Guest]

""The Senate has ceased to be a place where problems are resolved. It's become instead a place where Democrats produce campaign material," McConnell said"

"Both sides know they can push no student loan bill through Congress without a bipartisan consensus on paying for it.

But with politics the governing dynamic for now, it was no coincidence that each side proposed snatching savings from favorite targets that appeal to their parties' core voters: the rich for Democrats and Obama's health care revamping for Republicans."

"McConnell told reporters that Reid might want to call House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, "and say, 'Why don't we resolve this matter and move on with it, rather than leaving all these young people with a sense of uncertainty.'"

The Associated Press: GOP blocks Senate debate on Dem student loan bill (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5heSz2xugw4RzWnYcae2Rv0vbOKNA?docId=b12d98155 8204ba5be384731b64fea19)

[Guest]

Get used to Pres. Obama. He is going to be YOUR president for another term.

Oh no he won't!

I for one will not vote for him and I am not alone.

[Guest]

"They will not run our party. They will not run our White House. They will not drown out the views of the American people.” And in August, 2008, Obama said this: ““I suffer from the same original sin of all politicians, which is we’’ve got to raise money. But my argument has been and will continue to be that the disproportionate influence of lobbyists and special interest is a problem in Washington and in state capitals.”


A 100% accurate statement. They do not run the Party and they (lobbyists) do not run the WH.

Your link means absolutely nothing. It is nothing more than reich wing talking points. Nothing that hasn't been cut-and-pasted a dozen times in numerous right-wing blogs over the last 3 years. The lobbyist stories are right up there with the birth certificate stories.


I think you are correct. Registered lobbyists do not run the White House. It is run by progressive, communist, Marxist revolutionaries.

In my humble opinion

[Guest]

Mitt Romney: Did He Create A Hundred Thousand Jobs Or Kill Seven Thousand? | Right Wing News (http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/mitt-romney-did-he-create-100-thousand-jobs-or-kill-7-thousand/)

that article was written four months ago during the early stages of the Republican primary phase.