Do you have a plan to "defeat" or slow down aging?

[Villages PL]

Other than eating more pizza and drinking more beer, do you have a serious plan that you actually practice?

[Barefoot]

Other than eating more pizza and drinking more beer, do you have a serious plan that you actually practice?

My plan is to lie about my age which automatically makes me ten years younger. Doesn't it? :throwtomatoes:

[LABSX2]

I'm moving to TV!!!! :MOJE_whot:

[pooh]

In all honesty, I'm not sure if this is actually possible for some. Of course, taking care to eat right, take safety precautions in living and taking and doing things in moderation is a good way to live, but there are those little genes that might just prevent long life. My Dad lived to 98 years of age....he smoked, drank, had lots of stress in his life, and didn' eat well by today's definition of what's healthy, but his mother as well as his grandmother lived into their very late 90's. My father-in-law exercised, ate well, regularly visited his health care providers, yet he died at 72 from cancer, a disease that plagued his family, and took the lives of his parents as well as many of his siblings.

I'm not advocating throwing all caution to the wind and doing whatever the heck we want....but it must also be recognized that we are the results of DNA soup and sometimes, no matter what....we either live longer or shorter lives. Sometimes our efforts to eat well, drink in moderation, and all the other things we do to stall the Grim Reaper, may keep some of around longer, sometimes, not.

I'll get off my soapbox now and get busy....the more you move, the less likely you will rust..... ;)

[rjm1cc]

Other than eating more pizza and drinking more beer, do you have a serious plan that you actually practice?
Exercise.
Keeping active.

[jimbo2012]

Exercise.
Keeping active.

Yep!

Also changing to a vegan plant based diet about a year+ ago made a BIG difference.

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[zcaveman]

You will never "defeat" aging. That is a part of life - think death and taxes.

You can attempt to turn around the life you have been living for the past 55 or so years and hope that the benefits will regress the affects of your past life or you can continue to enjoy life and hope that the additional exercise that you get in TV will give you a few additional years.

That is my plan and I am sticking to it.

[wesmin]

Move It Or Lose It

[mac9]

Live each day to the fullest. I have no bucket list. When I want to do something, I do it.

[Villages PL]

The only thing I know of that has been proved to work to slow down the aging process is to eat a low calorie diet while getting as much nutrition as possible. That means consentrating on eating a wide variety of non-starchy vegetables. Vegetables are very low in calories yet high in nutrition. Of course there's more to it than that but I won't get into it here.

Why low calorie diets work: Calories have to be burned by the body. It's the burning of calories that takes a toll on the body. I would compare it to a gasoline engine. The more gas you burn in your car, the more you shorten the life of the engine. Rev up the engine, pop the clutch, and go speeding down the highway. It's a lot of fun but shortens the life of the car. We are much the same.

I've been on a low calorie vegan diet since the spring of 2006 and I'm very satisfied with the results so far. My diet before that was good but I just decided to add the veganism so as to maximize the nutrition from a plant based diet.

Of course there are no guarantees; it's all about reducing risk and wear. I suppose if we did all the right things from an early age we'd have a shot at being healthy up to 110 and beyond.

I started thinking about this subject because I'm reading a book: "Long For This World: The Strange Science of Immortality" by Jonathan Weiner. The author is a Pulitzer prize-winning science writer. I'm only up to chapter 4 but find it interesting so far.

[George Bieniaszek]

My plan for not growing older is telling people, if they ask, that I am still 29 years old.

At the end of this month, I will be celebrating my 30th anniversary of my 29th birthday!!

:MOJE_whot:

[jimbo2012]

That means consentrating on eating a wide variety of non-starchy vegetables. Vegetables are very low in calories yet high in nutrition. Of course there's more to it than that but I won't get into it here.

You should if you care to take the time, it has a greater effect on those of us 55+ than anything else we can do.

Bill Clinton and many others have come realize the benefits.

The only folks that are against it are companies that make processed foods, butchers and your local drug store ( most people eliminate their need for drugs or greatly reduce them).

Type II diabetes is eliminated, high cholesterol and a host of other aliments.

Your entire circulatory system changes......or said another way Vegan is the new Viagra.

This was a Peta TV ad that ran recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m0vQOnHW0Kc

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[Villages PL]

You should if you care to take the time, it has a greater effect on those of us 55+ than anything else we can do.

Okay, I'll try to provide more information about what I do.

Breakfast: I first put together a small bowl of chopped (fresh) fruit. I add to it a sprinkling of chopped walnuts. At the same time, I'll have one serving of steel-cut oats cooking on the stove. The cooking takes about 20 minutes after which I'll let it sit in the pan for about 40 minutes. In the mean time, I go through my exercise routine.

Lunch: I'll make a big salad in a salad bowl. This could include just about any vegetables you like. I typically use Romaine lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber, raw (baby) carots chopped into small pieces, celery and cauliflower or broccoli. With the salad I''l have one slice of Ezekiel bread. Then I'll eat a side dish of beans for protein. The bread contains 4 grams as protein as well. I use fresh lemon juice and extra virgin olive oil for dressing. (I limit the olive oil to one teaspoon.)

Dinner: I'll usually make a vegetable soup with beans and a little whole grain rice or barley. I use a variety of vegetables in the soup and a variety of beans. Then I'll put one teaspoon of olive oil in the soup. That comes last because I don't want to cook the olive oil. Again, one slice of Ezekiel bread. That's basically it.

Some people will say it's boring but it's not boring to me. I really like beans, whole grains and vegetables a lot. I never get tired of them. And I enjoy good health!

[jimbo2012]

Yep, sounds good the only thing we differ on is the oil, we don't use any.

We do more pasta either rice or whole wheat and tofu.

We eat the Ezekiel bread I like their bagels alot. where do buy it there?

Are there any vegan groups?

[Villages PL]

Yep, sounds good the only thing we differ on is the oil, we don't use any.

We do more pasta either rice or whole wheat and tofu.

We eat the Ezekiel bread. where do buy it there?

Are there any vegan groups?

Ezekiel bread is sold at Publix and I believe Sweetbay has it too.

I think there are a couple of vegan groups but I have never joined them. The reason? Well, one group asks members to bring a covered dish to share with others. I believe the members are mostly women and they, like most women, are into recipies. I've never been attracted to following recipies, nor am I interested in talking about recipies. And I'm afraid they might be into eating a lot of starches like potato salad and macaroni salad etc.. And how about processed desserts containing sugar? I'm not interested in that either. But I should go at least once to see what it's like.

[pooh]

The only thing I know of that has been proved to work to slow down the aging process is to eat a low calorie diet while getting as much nutrition as possible. That means consentrating on eating a wide variety of non-starchy vegetables. Vegetables are very low in calories yet high in nutrition. Of course there's more to it than that but I won't get into it here.

Why low calorie diets work: Calories have to be burned by the body. It's the burning of calories that takes a toll on the body. I would compare it to a gasoline engine. The more gas you burn in your car, the more you shorten the life of the engine. Rev up the engine, pop the clutch, and go speeding down the highway. It's a lot of fun but shortens the life of the car. We are much the same.

I've been on a low calorie vegan diet since the spring of 2006 and I'm very satisfied with the results so far. My diet before that was good but I just decided to add the veganism so as to maximize the nutrition from a plant based diet.

Of course there are no guarantees; it's all about reducing risk and wear. I suppose if we did all the right things from an early age we'd have a shot at being healthy up to 110 and beyond.

I started thinking about this subject because I'm reading a book: "Long For This World: The Strange Science of Immortality" by Jonathan Weiner. The author is a Pulitzer prize-winning science writer. I'm only up to chapter 4 but find it interesting so far.
Not to pick a nit, BUT, I do think your analogy of a car burning fuel and a body burning calories isn't the best. We need calories to live, to help our bodies keep us in a state of homeostasis. I'm sure you know what that is. We need fuel to allow our heart to work, our kidneys to eliminate waste. Not enough fuel, we can die.
You've listed your daily food choices, they seem to work for you. Some might not be able to ingest as many fruits and veggies, beans and nuts as you can.
It isn't my intention to get into a pi**ing contest with you on this VP, you are doing what you must do for your own health, I just hope you and some other vegans also recognize that not all can live on a plant based diet and thrive.

[jimbo2012]

I just hope you and some other vegans also recognize that not all can live on a plant based diet and thrive.

I respectfully disagree, there is just toooooo much scientific proof that is NOT the case.

The real issue is not all can live and thrive on a animal based diet with processed food.

We don't do it because we need to for our health we do it because we choose to.

Ask a cardiologist or vascular surgeon for example what they see every day.

There are body builders, iron man competitors, marathoners and fighters on plant based diets.

It has also completely reversed heart disease in many patients with documented proof.

I can recommend a very good documentary is you care to get it on Amazon "Forks Over Knives" aka diet over surgery.

It was done by doctors not Hollywood.

[swimdawg]

Other than eating more pizza and drinking more beer, do you have a serious plan that you actually practice?

Ummm....swim 1/2 mile every day....seems to be doing the trick.....oh yes!

[pooh]

I respectfully disagree, there is just toooooo much scientific proof that is NOT the case.

The real issue is not all can live and thrive on a animal based diet with processed food.

We don't do it because we need to for our health we do it because we choose to.

Ask a cardiologist or vascular surgeon for example what they see every day.

There are body builders, iron man competitors, marathoners and fighters on plant based diets.

It has also completely reversed heart disease in many patients with documented proof.

I can recommend a very good documentary is you care to get it on Amazon "Forks Over Knives" aka diet over surgery.

It was done by doctors not Hollywood.

I can agree with you about processed foods not offering the best nutrition for our bodies and I do recognize that some do thrive on plant based diets, BUT again I will state that not all can. Some are not blessed with digestive systems that allow their bodies to assimilate enough nutrients from certain foods.
We all must do what we feel is best for our well being. For some it is exercise, lots of exercise, for some it is managing their diet and for others, it might be vitamins and supplements. My plan includes little alcohol, adequate protein from non-plant sources, fresh fruit and veggies, non and low fat dairy, a fish oil pill, a daily multi-vitamin, and that's only every once in a while, olive oil in moderation and laughter.....as well as a sweet treat and a pizza every once in a while. The Mediterranean diet works well, too.

[asianthree]

I go to the gym at 7am leave at 1030 work 8 hours and three nights a week i return to the gym for a 1.5 hour yoga glass. So when I retire i plan on cutting out the 8 work hours :MOJE_whot:

[pooh]

I go to the gym at 7am leave at 1030 work 8 hours and three nights a week i return to the gym for a 1.5 hour yoga glass. So when I retire i plan on cutting out the 8 work hours :MOJE_whot:
:clap2::clap2: I hope you get to cut out those work hours soon.... ;)

[skip0358]

I drive a legal golf cart,only use the car when needed, do what I want when I want. Don't give a crap what anybody thinks. I'm happy and don't have 2 many cares in the world. !!

[Barefoot]

I can agree with you about processed foods not offering the best nutrition for our bodies and I do recognize that some do thrive on plant based diets, BUT again I will state that not all can. Some are not blessed with digestive systems that allow their bodies to assimilate enough nutrients from certain foods.
We all must do what we feel is best for our well being. For some it is exercise, lots of exercise, for some it is managing their diet and for others, it might be vitamins and supplements. My plan includes little alcohol, adequate protein from non-plant sources, fresh fruit and veggies, non and low fat dairy, a fish oil pill, a daily multi-vitamin, and that's only every once in a while, olive oil in moderation and laughter.....as well as a sweet treat and a pizza every once in a while. The Mediterranean diet works well, too.

Pooh, your comments make sense to me. I also think that laughter, loving life, and having a positive attitude have a lot to do with good health.

[manaboutown]

Our problem:

CDC Infographic Shows Super-sized Portions Are the New Normal | Healthy Living - Yahoo! Shine (http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/cdc-infographic-shows-super-sized-portions-normal-185000601.html)

[Villages PL]

Not to pick a nit, BUT, I do think your analogy of a car burning fuel and a body burning calories isn't the best.

I won't make any claim that it's the best analogy. It just popped into mind and I used it because I like it. Lighting a candle is another. The point is that burning is burning and it has a similarity to what happens in the body. Oxygen is required/consumed and byproducts/waste are given off. Engines age and eventually die and so do we.

Of course we are not exactly the same but the result is the same. What makes us different is the fact that free radicals (created from the burning process) go zipping around damaging our DNA. The damage can be repaired but we become less and less capable of keeping up with repairs as we get older.

To be continued:

[Villages PL]

We need calories to live, to help our bodies keep us in a state of homeostasis. I'm sure you know what that is. We need fuel to allow our heart to work, our kidneys to eliminate waste. Not enough fuel, we can die.

Yes, of course. I assumed it would be understood that you have to have enough calories to maintain vital body functions and to keep your BMI from going below 18.5 or 19.


You've listed your daily food choices, they seem to work for you. Some might not be able to ingest as many fruits and veggies, beans and nuts as you can.

That's true. It was not my intention to suggest that everyone must do exactly the same. Relatively few people can do what jimbo and I do. I just posted it as my conception of an ideal diet: Low calorie/ high nutrition. This health and longevity concept is not new. The first experiment to prove the effectiveness of a low calorie diet was done in the early 1930s.

I just hope you and some other vegans also recognize that not all can live on a plant based diet and thrive.

When it comes to the science of health, nothing is ever 100% so I wouldn't think of asking for 100% compliance. Everyone needs to take personal responsibility to be informed and do their best.

[jimbo2012]

Some are not blessed with digestive systems that allow their bodies to assimilate enough nutrients from certain foods.

Not sure I follow that, unless you are referring to a GI tract disorder.

What I mean by that is if you can assimilate nutrients from a meat based diet (a Big Mac etc.) why not plant based, meaning vegies etc?

Your body needs about 8% protein, vegies have about 10%, animal based food about 20% which is not needed.

[graciegirl]

Okay, I'll try to provide more information about what I do.

Breakfast: I first put together a small bowl of chopped (fresh) fruit. I add to it a sprinkling of chopped walnuts. At the same time, I'll have one serving of steel-cut oats cooking on the stove. The cooking takes about 20 minutes after which I'll let it sit in the pan for about 40 minutes. In the mean time, I go through my exercise routine.

Lunch: I'll make a big salad in a salad bowl. This could include just about any vegetables you like. I typically use Romaine lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber, raw (baby) carots chopped into small pieces, celery and cauliflower or broccoli. With the salad I''l have one slice of Ezekiel bread. Then I'll eat a side dish of beans for protein. The bread contains 4 grams as protein as well. I use fresh lemon juice and extra virgin olive oil for dressing. (I limit the olive oil to one teaspoon.)

Dinner: I'll usually make a vegetable soup with beans and a little whole grain rice or barley. I use a variety of vegetables in the soup and a variety of beans. Then I'll put one teaspoon of olive oil in the soup. That comes last because I don't want to cook the olive oil. Again, one slice of Ezekiel bread. That's basically it.

Some people will say it's boring but it's not boring to me. I really like beans, whole grains and vegetables a lot. I never get tired of them. And I enjoy good health!

Do you fart a lot?

[Down Sized]

Eat better and walk faster:icon_hungry:

[Villages PL]

Our problem:

CDC Infographic Shows Super-sized Portions Are the New Normal | Healthy Living - Yahoo! Shine (http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/cdc-infographic-shows-super-sized-portions-normal-185000601.html)

Thanks for the link, it was very good. It's amazing how restaurant portions have grown over the years. I would just add that the problem is not just the portions. It's the quality of food that's all wrong too. Sweet soda? Salty fries? Salty hamburger on a bun made with white flour? And where are the vegetables? Lettuce and tomato on the hamburger doesn't cut it.

One thing that's never mentioned: If the population gets fatter and fatter, it's an advantage for the fast food industry. And I'd be surprised if they (those in the corporate offices) don't know it. Here's why it's an advantage: The more fat cells that exist, the more food that's needed. Fat cells require/demand high calorie processed foods. Most diets eventually fail because fat cells comunicate with the brain (demanding food) by way of hormones. Fat cells strive for survival as much as any other part of the body. That's what makes it an addiction. More and more fat people means more and more addicts, and that's what the fast food industry likes.

[Villages PL]

Do you fart a lot?

It all depends on what you consider to be "a lot". Maybe we could get together sometime and have a contest. We could assemble a panel of judges and they would grade us on frequency, volume, tone, loudness etc..

[jimbo2012]

Slowing down aging also has to do with your energy levels, aka enjoying your retirement.

How often do you take naps after eating or exercise, or regular afternoon naps. Can you play 18 holes and still go dancing that evening.

I don't want to write a book here and bore you, the info is out there the food is not bland or uninteresting my wife has made dinner for friends and they all like the food.

Our diet is different from 'Villages PL', but along those lines.

I'll leave you with these major benefits, if you want more info or where to go for it please PM me.

Plant-based diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.
Vegetarians/vegans also have lower rates of the following health problems:

Death from heart disease - Animal protein clogs arteries; a plant-based diet can stop and even, in most cases, reverse heart disease.

Blood cholesterol levels, without any meds will average 125-150

Blood pressure/hypertension normal or lower - due to the soft plaque being eliminated from the walls of blood vessels and elastic again eliminating or greatly reducing all meds.

Type 2 (adult-onset) diabetes, no longer an issue.

cancer long story (http://www.tcolincampbell.org/courses-resources/article/cancer-facts-meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk/?tx_ttnews[backPid]=76&cHash=7901fc134f1de474e350ebc4c0f25033)

Cancer- Animal protein, especially casein found in milk, causes cancer cells to grow; plant protein discourages cancer growth.

Obesity- The standard American diet (SAD) causes obesity; a low-fat, plant-based diet combined with moderate exercise enables permanent weight loss.
The weight loss is automatic, without thinking about.

High animal protein intake increases metabolic acid, causing the body to draw calcium from the bones, weakening them and leading to osteoporosis and bone fractures.

Prostate cancer
Colon cancer

In 3-4 weeks you will absolutely feel the difference, I guarantee it.


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[OscarOlden]

I love to jog. I will be in a marathon tomorrow.

[Villages PL]

I'm moving to TV!!!! :MOJE_whot:

All you have to do is move here and you will get healthy by osmosis!!!!

[Villages PL]

I love to jog. I will be in a marathon tomorrow.

You must be healthy to be in a marathon. But how are your knees holding up? Do you ever worry about wearing them out?

[pooh]

Not sure I follow that, unless you are referring to a GI tract disorder.

What I mean by that is if you can assimilate nutrients from a meat based diet (a Big Mac etc.) why not plant based, meaning vegies etc?

Your body needs about 8% protein, vegies have about 10%, animal based food about 20% which is not needed.

Food needs to stay in your GI tract for a bit for breakdown and assimilation. If one cannot properly digest certain plant foods, well, they aren't going to nourish a body. Some have allergic responses to certain foods, berries, eggs, milk, gluten....and these foods just aren't going to work for some.

We all need protein to live, granted not as much as most of us eat, but we do need it. Protein helps maintain muscle mass, the immune system and heart and respiratory functions.

I'm sure you know about complete and incomplete proteins and the need to eat a wide variety of plant foods in order to give your body the amino acids needed to make them complete. I'm sure you make sure to get adequate vitamin B12. You are doing what you feel is best for your body and no one can or should make you do something other than that.
You have made a decision to ingest more plant than animal based foods, you are concerned about your health....who the heck really cares what others think....you must do what you feel is best for you and for your family. A longer and more vital you is good for you and for those who love you, too.... ;)

Live long and prosper, Jimbo

[pooh]

It all depends on what you consider to be "a lot". Maybe we could get together sometime and have a contest. We could assemble a panel of judges and they would grade us on frequency, volume, tone, loudness etc..

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::clap2:

[pooh]

Yes, of course. I assumed it would be understood that you have to have enough calories to maintain vital body functions and to keep your BMI from going below 18.5 or 19.......
When it comes to the science of health, nothing is ever 100% so I wouldn't think of asking for 100% compliance. Everyone needs to take personal responsibility to be informed and do their best.

Correct, but BMI can be even a bit higher and a person can be healthy.

I'm sure you've done your research, VPL....and I'm sure you're eating foods in proper quantities to insure you have adequate and complete proteins over time. You feel well, you have energy and I'll assume your health statistics are reflective of the effort you put into making the food choices you do.

Live long, live well, VPl.....and when you get a chance, could you post a recipe for a particular dish you eat, in the food section, that might make some of us carnivores want to give it a try.... :)

[billethkid]

don't forget the most important and that is attitude....the more positive one is about anything/everything the more relaxed and happy they are and tend to live longer.

Excluding health issues which can get any of us at any time being positive, active, eat sensibly (like we did when we were kids)....treat everybody like a long lost friend.....smile a lot.....

far too many think they have to be a grump, act like a grump, be nasty, not polite and always in a hurry (to go no where)....because they are a certain number on paper and act what they think is accordingly.....remember the saying, I may be getting older (number of birthdays) but I refuse to grow up/old (attitude/active/smile).

btk

[hulahips]

yes my plan is to exercise everyday and eat healthy and make sure I get some laughter in everyday, meditation and prayer. Good for body and soul.
And yes friends are important. Keep socializing!! That's why the villages is a great place to live.

[graciegirl]

A reasonable and common sense view of this might be what we all know.

That eating a variety of lower fat foods and keeping our calorie count lower and avoiding a lot of sweets will make us healthier and better able to handle the environment.

Getting our heart rates up for twenty minutes every day in some form of aerobic activity helps our cardiovascular system and helps build muscle mass that raises our metabolism to a faster burn.

Seeing a qualified physician twice a year who orders tests of our systems helps too.

Knowing that genetic factors play a large role in how our bodies behave is something that we must all accept but the underlying thing to remember is that no matter what we do or what we eat or how we exercise, there is only one way out. Don't let the fear of the inevitable cause you to live obsessively.

Be reasonable, make good choices, and dance while the music is playing.

It is a beautiful day in The Villages.

[Mark1130]

My plan is to lie about my age which automatically makes me ten years younger. Doesn't it? :throwtomatoes:

I agree.. you do look about 30...;)

[OscarOlden]

Not sure I follow that, unless you are referring to a GI tract disorder.

What I mean by that is if you can assimilate nutrients from a meat based diet (a Big Mac etc.) why not plant based, meaning vegies etc?

Your body needs about 8% protein, vegies have about 10%, animal based food about 20% which is not needed.

Interesting avatar, Jimbo. Is that your scale?

[jimbo2012]

Scale? no, solar panel.

How did your marathon go?

[OscarOlden]

Scale? no, solar panel.

How did your marathon go?


Solar panel, of course!

Marathon went well. I finished in top third. It was hot and needed lots of hydration.

[jimbo2012]

That's a good trip, don't know how you can do it in the heat there.

Yes I've been toying with solar for number of years, plan to have two solar golf carts already have the panels that fit perfect for when we move there.

Also will be installing Solar hot water, I also have four panels and tanks already to go.

[l2ridehd]

Being a vegan just makes it seem like you have lived longer.

My plan is eat well, lots of good food, good steak, seafood, and yes vegetables, exercise a lot doing fun things, drink lots of good wine, good loving and probably die younger. But oh the smile and it will seem like I lived a long life because everyday I have enjoyed living.

That's my plan and I am sticking to it.

[jimbo2012]

Being a vegan just makes it seem like you have lived longer.

Not sure why you think that :1rotfl:

My plan is eat well, lots of good food, good steak, seafood, and yes vegetables, exercise a lot doing fun things, drink lots of good wine, good loving and probably die younger.

Same idea - My plan is eat well, lots of good food and yes vegetables, exercise a lot doing fun things, drink lots of good wine, good loving and probably live longer.

But oh the smile and it will seem like I lived a long life because everyday I have enjoyed living.

That's my plan and I am sticking to it.

Me too :highfive:

[Pturner]

Enjoy life
Feel immense gratitude
Make someone else happy everyday
Love
Be and have good friends
Laugh and be joyful
Eat healthfully (also drink red wine and eat chocolate)
Exercise mind and body

[Barefoot]

Being a vegan just makes it seem like you have lived longer.
My plan is eat well, lots of good food, good steak, seafood, and yes vegetables, exercise a lot doing fun things, drink lots of good wine, good loving and probably die younger. But oh the smile and it will seem like I lived a long life because everyday I have enjoyed living.
That's my plan and I am sticking to it.


Enjoy life
Feel immense gratitude
Make someone else happy everyday
Love
Be and have good friends
Laugh and be joyful
Eat healthfully (also drink red wine and eat chocolate)
Exercise mind and body


I love these happy posts. Attitude is everything! I'm so happy that red wine and chocolate are now on the "healthy" list. :clap2:

[casita37]

A while back, I picked up a copy of a magazine touting the "fastest-acting diet ever!" It was so simple, and full of food my husband and I like, we decided to give it a try. The entire diet program fit on a half page of the magazine, but it is the base diet of the book, The Blood Sugar Solution, by Mark Hyman, MD.

For 6 weeks....in a nutshell, the following diet, with a few rules.....

No root veggies
No grains
No gluten
No dairy
No caffeine
No alcohol
No sweetener of ANY type, natural or artificial...no matter what the label says.

Breakfast - 2 egg omelet, laden with lots of veggies, using a little extra-virgin olive oil and 1/2 cup berries. There is also a protein shake option, but we enjoy the omelet.

Lunch - 3 oz. your choice of lean protein, including tofu or other vegan options. All the veggies/salad you can eat!!! A few nuts.

Snack - 1/2 avocado or 1/4 cup hummus and unlimited veggies.

Dinner - Same as lunch, minus the nuts, but add 1/2 cup beans.

Drink lots of water and decaf green tea all day.

Multi-vitamin, including calcium, magnesium and 1000mg vit. D.

After 6 weeks, you can add back some of the "nos", but not sweetener. It may seem a bit restrictive, but honestly, it's the easiest and most fulfilling diet plan I've ever tried. I was born hungry!!, but on this plan, I'm fine..you can always have veggies. You would not believe the size of our lunches and dinners.

We were not really overweight, nor do we have high blood sugar. We both just wanted to feel better in our skin. We don't know exactly how much we lost (no scales, and didn't start weighing at Publix until we were into it a couple of weeks), but I estimate 12 lbs +/-, for each of us.

The book goes into a lot of detail about supplements, but I really found the magazine version of the diet much easier to understand. It was the March 19 issue of Woman's World, if interested.

At the risk of going on too long, I will add...we went on a cruise recently. We ate bread, sauces, desserts, etc., including wine. I gained a couple of pounds. Went back on the plan as soon as we got home, and one week home had lost 4 pounds.

We are in the process now of adding back some of the no-no's, a little at a time, hopefully balancing out a permanent healthy plan, which includes exercise and other healthful lifestyle choices.

I buy organic whenever possible, and some items I just pass on it, if I can't get organic ("the dirty dozen"), plus only hormone/antibiotic free meats. We have an R/O filter on our drinking water.

I stopped coloring my hair and am working on easing in more natural health and beauty aids. We don't smoke and we do wear sunscreen.

Sorry to be so long-winded! I enjoy this topic and look forward to hearing more healthy/longevity plans from others. :)

[jimbo2012]

It's a better diet than many have but one thing to look at when following a diet is what is the author selling is it just his book to pass on his academic knowledge or market products.

If its products, a red flag should popup see Dr. Hyman's web site (http://store.drhyman.com/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Brand%20Terms&utm_term=mark%20hyman) is selling a bunch, not that that's necessarily wrong just use caution following.
His backround is in family medicine not nutrition.

You listed several no items, but all of those are yes items except dairy, in a vegan diet, in fact there are more choices for your meals.

I think you owe it to yourself to investigate further :read: for just what is right for you there are many choices.

If you like this one stick with it.

[asianthree]

Today i have stopped running, my knees are just very unhappy for now

[Villages PL]

Being a vegan just makes it seem like you have lived longer.

Eating the wrong foods and then suffering from painful degenerative diseases will also make it seem as though you have lived longer.

[zcaveman]

Eating the wrong foods and then suffering from painful degenerative diseases will also make it seem as though you have lived longer.

That is a debatable subject. And there will never be a winner.

[Villages PL]

Don't let the fear of the inevitable cause you to live obsessively.

I appreciate your participation in this thread. However, I have to object somewhat to the above statement. I know, I often make assumptions myself but the above statement has a couple of assumptions that I don't quite get. Assumption # 1) those of us who are interested in health are interested because we fear death. I guess that means those who are less interested in health do not fear death? Assumption # 2) Those who are interested in the science of health are obsessing.

Well, you don't usually hear the word "obsession" applied to many other things like golf, for example. If someone plays a lot of golf, takes golf lessons and tries to perfect their game, we don't usually hear people say they are being obsessive. Most likely they will be given credit for making the effort to be good at the activity of their choice. The same goes for most other activities.

But if one has an interest in living a healthy lifestyle, enjoys reading about health and talking about health, that's defined as being "obsessive". And it must be because the person fears death.

[Villages PL]

That is a debatable subject. And there will never be a winner.

Exactly! I was demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. I'm always amazed why people keep perpetuating the absurd satatment that life only seems longer when you eat a healthy diet.

:1rotfl:

[jimbo2012]

That is a debatable subject. And there will never be a winner.

Well that was true years ago but today there in enough scientific proof that demonstrates what foods are doing causing damage to our bodies.

Dairy, contains casein now know to be a leading cause of cancer.

T. Colin Campbell's The China Study (2005), a book about one of the largest nutritional studies ever conducted, describes a direct correlation between casein administered to rats and the promotion of cancer cell growth when exposed to carcinogens. Aflatoxin (a potent carcinogen) was administered to these rats over a 2 week dosing period. The rats were given a 1 week post-dosing period before beginning the test (promotion period). During the promotion period, one group of rats was put on a 5% casein protein diet and another group on a 20% casein protein diet. None of the rats on 5% casein protein developed foci, precursors to cancerous cell growth, and every rat on 20% casein protein developed the pre-cancer foci. It should be noted that all test groups were fed a 20% casein diet for a total of 5 weeks (2-wk acclimation, 2-wk dosing, 1-wk post-dosing) prior to the 12 week promotion period in order to survive the initial aflatoxin B1 (AFB1) dosing, regardless of whether they were in the 5% or 20% test groups.

Other studies conducted by Dr. Campbell on humans confirmed this correlation between the amount of casein protein consumed and the promotion of cancerous cell growth. Dr. Campbell claims to have found a correlation between cancer growth and the amount of casein protein in diet.A 2001 study suggests another milk protein, whey protein, but not casein, may play a protective role against colon tumors in rats. According to a study from the Australian Dairy Council, casein has antimutagenic effects.

Do you think oil such as olive is healthy? see
(http://www.thevegetariansite.com/health_oliveoil.htm)
It damages the endothyium lining of your blood vessels, in so doing plaque attaches to those damage areas causes Arteriosclerosis; Plaque buildup and high blood pressue, this is NOT debatable it has been proven. Ask Bill Clinton.

A plant based diet rids the body of this excess plaque lower blood pressure to the point of no BP meds. Aiding in the prevention of heart attacks and strokes.

These are facts documented the movie "Forks over Knives" get a copy.

No we will not live for ever that up to you know who, here are many others issues resolved by a vegan diet, it all about the quality of your retirement years-active healthy or sedentary on meds.

Example my cholesterol is 124, tri's 140, BP 110/70, and yes i have drinks and enjoy foods that if you tried you would not know they are vegan.

.

[Villages PL]

Well that was true years ago but today there in enough scientific proof that demonstrates what foods are doing causing damage to our bodies.

Dairy, contains casein now know to be a leading cause of cancer.

[I]T. Colin Campbell's The China Study (2005), a book about one of the largest nutritional studies ever conducted, describes a direct correlation between casein administered to rats and the promotion of cancer cell growth when exposed to carcinogens.

I read the book in May of 2006. By the time I got to chapter 3 I was switching my diet to vegan. My father and brother died of prostate cancer, two Aunts and and a few uncles, and two cousins died of liver cancer at age 60. I'm sure I missed a few but there have been so many I'm losing track of them.

Being that I'm fairly flexable with my diet, switching over to vegan was not a big problem. It took about 4 to 6 weeks to get used to it because I had to rethink how I was going to structure my meals. Now after 7 years it's all routine (and enjoyable).

Do you think oil such as olive is healthy? see
(http://www.thevegetariansite.com/health_oliveoil.htm)
It damages the endothyium lining of your blood vessels, in so doing plaque attaches to those damage areas causes Arteriosclerosis; Plaque buildup and high blood pressue, this is NOT debatable it has been proven. Ask Bill Clinton.

I have never heard that before and I do extensive reading. Of course Dr. Dean Ornish doesn't want heart patients to use any oil of any kind. I know that, but he never said that it damages the endothelium. If true, that's a surprise to me.

My ancestors lived in, and came from, southern Italy. They have always used extra virgin olive oil and there hasn't been any heart disease in my large extended family. I use it but only very little, like one teaspoon for lunch and one for dinner.

Example my cholesterol is 124, tri's 140, BP 110/70, and yes i have drinks and enjoy foods that if you tried you would not know they are vegan.

I have always had good blood test results on everything including cholesterol and my resting blood pressure is 100/50.

[casita37]

jimbo, The "nos" on the blood sugar solution diet are only nos for the first 6 weeks. Then you add them back gradually, except sugar/sweeteners. Remember, the book is primarily for diabetics/pre-diabetics.

Also, the diet plan I outlined is the advanced version. The basic version already includes limited amounts of the "nos".

The idea is to clear out the system and then as you add back, keep track of how you feel, how your weight fluctuates and how your sugar levels react, etc., so you can determine if a particular food is not right for you and limit it accordingly. Kind of like testing for allergies.

Dr. Hyman does push a LOT of supplements, even naming brands and where to buy (links from his own site). I ignore a lot of that. Same with Dr. Oz. Love his show, but really....if anyone took everything he recommends, they wouldn't be able to eat. Too full of supplements and too broke to buy food!! LOL

[BaylorBear]

Do you fart a lot?

NOW I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE, THAT'S FUNNY!!!!!!
:1rotfl::clap2:

[jimbo2012]

A few links to check out

Dr. Oz vegan challange (http://www.happyhealthylonglife.com/happy_healthy_long_life/dr-ozs-vegan-challenge/)

No more heart attacks

In the most remarkable recent discovery (http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/full/36/5/1455) about olive oil, Dr. Robert Vogel at the University of Maryland reported in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology that olive oil was found to reduce blood flow in arteries by 31 percent after consumption. This is significant in relation to blood clots and heart attacks, as well as angina. It's suggested that people be aware of any relationship between consuming olive oil and an angina attack. Also, it was found that olive oil "causes significant damage" to the endothelial cells that line the inside of arteries. This damage causes inflammation which leads to atherosclerosis.

[Villages PL]

A few links to check out

Dr. Oz vegan challange (http://www.happyhealthylonglife.com/happy_healthy_long_life/dr-ozs-vegan-challenge/)

No more heart attacks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNeWCvLZaFM)

In the most remarkable recent discovery (http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/full/36/5/1455) about olive oil, Dr. Robert Vogel at the University of Maryland reported in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology that olive oil was found to reduce blood flow in arteries by 31 percent after consumption. This is significant in relation to blood clots and heart attacks, as well as angina. It's suggested that people be aware of any relationship between consuming olive oil and an angina attack. Also, it was found that olive oil "causes significant damage" to the endothelial cells that line the inside of arteries. This damage causes inflammation which leads to atherosclerosis.

Thanks for the infromation. You know, I have questioned the value of olive oil many times in the past. I never voiced those concerns to anyone but I would think about it to myself. I would tell people that they should only eat natural whole foods, but olive oil is not a whole food. It's a processed food!

Okay, I can live without olive oil but I believe I do need at least a small amount of fat in my diet. So I guess the solution is to have a few nuts to take the place of the olive oil. I'm going to try it as soon as I finish the olive oil that I have.

[graciegirl]

Thanks for the infromation. You know, I have questioned the value of olive oil many times in the past. I never voiced those concerns to anyone but I would think about it to myself. I would tell people that they should only eat natural whole foods, but olive oil is not a whole food. It's a processed food!

Okay, I can live without olive oil but I believe I do need at least a small amount of fat in my diet. So I guess the solution is to have a few nuts to take the place of the olive oil. I'm going to try it as soon as I finish the olive oil that I have.


You two should form a club. You have a lot in common.

[jimbo2012]

Only if you join:wave:

[Villages PL]

You two should form a club. You have a lot in common.

I did form a club many years ago. It was supposed to be a roundtable discussion group where everyone contributes something. It was to be based on a Zone book to start with. Most people showed up without doing any reading and sat there waiting for me to deliver a lecture. At future meetings I arranged to have a nutritionist and a doctor come in to talk about diet and health. As summer approached the group got smaller and smaller so I decided to end it. There were a few who wanted to keep going but I couldn't see where it would be of much value.

So of course I'm reluctant to get involved again.

[rubicon]

All of these Ponce de Leon theories are certainly helpful.. In fact my aunt's husband followed a strict regime from an early age. But at the age 70 he was stricken wih Azhemier's . He went into a medical facility at the age of 75 and lived their until is death at age 95.

My plan is to continue to live at the Greeks advised "moderation in all things, exercise daily and let my DNA be the final determinant.

[jimbo2012]

You can lead a horse to water..................

All these discussions at best may only plant a seed for someone to think about in the future.

But if they have or someone close has a medical event that may trigger their need to eat healthier, then it happens.

When speaking in person and I mention books or a dvd and they look for a pen to note the info I know they're really listening.

Invariably this comes up parties, bbq's or eating out when we decline certain foods, we used to explain away, but it's easier to just say we already eat, but I'll have a glass of wine.....if they ask then we'll talk about it.

When we move there we would be willing to do showing of 1 or 2 DVD with Q&A afterwards, we did that at the community we stayed at this past winter, out of about 1400 residents almost 60 showed up.
The Q&A went on for 90 minutes.

We had a lot of fun doing it.

It's not just changing your diet, it is like moving to TV, a lifestyle change both of those can allow you to enjoy the next 20-30 years without being overweight, reverse some ailments, reducing the meds you may be taking or developing preventable ailments.

Off to Happy Hour.......

[Villages PL]

All of these Ponce de Leon theories are certainly helpful.. In fact my aunt's husband followed a strict regime from an early age. But at the age 70 he was stricken wih Azhemier's . He went into a medical facility at the age of 75 and lived their until is death at age 95.

My plan is to continue to live at the Greeks advised "moderation in all things, exercise daily and let my DNA be the final determinant.

Moderation, as I see it, should apply to natural whole foods. So that means not eating broccoli every day. One might have broccoli for one or two days and then switch to cauliflower. That's not a real life example because I eat many different vegetables every day. But they are not always the same vegetables. I switch around depending on what's in season or what's on sale.
The same goes for fruit. Right now I'm eating a lot of blueberries, peaches and blackberries (among others) while they are in season.

Some people make the mistake of thinking that moderation should also apply to processed foods. My mother was one of them. If she had a donut one day, cookies the next and a piece of pie the next day, she said she thought it was okay because it represented "moderation". She made that judgement even though each day her dessert consisted of refined white flour, refined sugar and saturated fat.

When the Greeks advised moderation in all things, how long ago did they give that advice? I believe that refers to the ancient greeks. No doubt it was very good advice back then. Back then they didn't have all of the processed fast foods that we have today. So, it's safe to say, they never advised anyone to eat fast food in moderation.

Letting DNA or genes be the final determinant: Most people have genes for one disease or another and maybe several. But most genes need to be triggered by something in the environment and diet is considered to be a part of the environment. So let's say you have a gene for diabetes (if there is such a gene). Eating fast food (processed food) and becoming overweight is exactly what would trigger diabetes. Everyone is different so it might take a lot of fast food or a moderate amount with little or no exercise.

No one ever said that eating a strict healthy diet is a sure thing that will yield perfect health. What it's all about is reducing risk.

[ilovetv]

Life......and food....are to be enjoyed......with moderation.

"In a vegan café in New York City, Nisha Moodley pushes a glass crusted with the remnants of a berry-açai-almond milk smoothie across the table and begins listing the foods she excised from her diet six years ago.

"Factory-farmed meats; hormone-laden dairy; conventional non-organic fruits and vegetables; anything hydrogenated; anything microwaved," the slender 32-year-old health coach says. "I would not eat irradiated food; charred or blackened foods; artificial coloring, flavoring, or sweetener; MSG; white rice; sugar; table salt; or anything canned.

Back then, a typical breakfast for Moodley consisted of buckwheat mixed with seaweed, raw cacao powder, flax oil, and flax seeds. Lunch was usually homemade brown rice with lentils, fresh vegetables, and kale, followed by a mid-afternoon snack of homemade flax-seed-and-buckwheat crackers.

And for dinner, a salad with garbanzo beans, avocado, carrots, beets, and mushrooms.

Moodley initially adopted this diet to address recurring bad digestion. But her commitment to healthy eating -- something to be commended, ordinarily -- turned into an obsession that took over her life. "I was terrified of food that didn't fit within my idea of what was healthy," Moodley says. "I was terrified of cancer, of dying."

She couldn't eat out with friends, attend dinner parties, or shop at certain grocery stores because of her intense phobia. Her anxiety was so overwhelming that her stomach problems worsened.

Moodley knew she had a problem, but she didn't view it as an eating disorder. Although she had been a self-described "emotional overeater" for most of her life, the naturally slim Moodley had never been concerned about her weight, nor had she ever purged after her binges. Her unhealthy fixation with healthy food was something else, and it was years before she realized it had a name: orthorexia......"

When eating healthy turns obsessive - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/05/health/eating-healthy-obsessive/index.html)

[jimbo2012]

That's a isolated example of a disorder don't you think.

That is over the top, we enjoy eating out often we do this to socialize not because we're starving, we enjoy the company of others or the atmosphere if just us.

I don't say anything if others have steak & fries it's their biz, they shouldn't care what we eat.

We certainly don't eat the way the Nisha Moodley does.

It's our own individual choice.

[BaylorBear]

It is truly unfortunate that in order to have the last word on something that one would deliberately search out articles that are of abberrant behaviors. Any lifestyle or regimen can become obsessive, just read the newspapers. That crap always makes the front page!

I do not believe that is what Jimbo has in mind. He has shared a great deal of information that can be authenticated from many sources. All he asks, is that you consider this intelligently, nothing more. He does not attack your lifestyle, he only shared his and why he and his wife chose it and how it has affected their lives for the better. It certainly got me thinking, that's for sure!

Jimbo, very though provoking information. Thanks for sharing.

[2BNTV]

Do you fart a lot?

:1rotfl:

[2BNTV]

In all honesty, I'm not sure if this is actually possible for some. Of course, taking care to eat right, take safety precautions in living and taking and doing things in moderation is a good way to live, but there are those little genes that might just prevent long life. My Dad lived to 98 years of age....he smoked, drank, had lots of stress in his life, and didn' eat well by today's definition of what's healthy, but his mother as well as his grandmother lived into their very late 90's. My father-in-law exercised, ate well, regularly visited his health care providers, yet he died at 72 from cancer, a disease that plagued his family, and took the lives of his parents as well as many of his siblings.

I'm not advocating throwing all caution to the wind and doing whatever the heck we want....but it must also be recognized that we are the results of DNA soup and sometimes, no matter what....we either live longer or shorter lives. Sometimes our efforts to eat well, drink in moderation, and all the other things we do to stall the Grim Reaper, may keep some of around longer, sometimes, not.

I'll get off my soapbox now and get busy....the more you move, the less likely you will rust..... ;)

:agree:

I plan to emulate my uncle who is 99 years old.

Sister died at 104.
Sister died at 102.
Brother died at 99.

Sister is 101 years old.

The other siblings "died young", his words not mine. They were in there 70's. :smiley:

He did things in modration, never smoked, drank wine with dinner and lived a clean lifestyle. He never overate, believed in keeping busy and doing the right thing.

Unfortunately, I am not in his DNA line but my aunt is and she is 96. :smiley:

I plan to move to TV and keep busy. Thats my plan and I am sticking to it.

:beer3:

[ilovetv]

It is truly unfortunate that in order to have the last word on something that one would deliberately search out articles that are of abberrant behaviors. Any lifestyle or regimen can become obsessive, just read the newspapers. That crap always makes the front page!

I do not believe that is what Jimbo has in mind. He has shared a great deal of information that can be authenticated from many sources. All he asks, is that you consider this intelligently, nothing more. He does not attack your lifestyle, he only shared his and why he and his wife chose it and how it has affected their lives for the better. It certainly got me thinking, that's for sure!

Jimbo, very though provoking information. Thanks for sharing.

The thread is about "defeating" or "slowing down aging". Addictive, "aberrant", obsessive behavior accelerates aging.....big time.

And so, the article applies here, to this thread.

The other problem with addictive, "aberrant", obsessive behavior is that the person trapped in such a self-destructive, rapidly-aging cycle.....is the last to know and admit it's controlling them. Family and friends often live in agony watching their loved ones being enslaved by their addictive behavior.

And lastly, NOT expecting to "have the last word", I think all the medical and nutritional "experts" cited above would agree that mental health is just as crucial as physical health, for a long and happy life!

[Villages PL]

Do you fart a lot?

Gracie, why are you interested in my farts?

[Villages PL]

don't forget the most important and that is attitude....the more positive one is about anything/everything the more relaxed and happy they are and tend to live longer.

Excluding health issues which can get any of us at any time being positive, active, eat sensibly (like we did when we were kids)....treat everybody like a long lost friend.....smile a lot.....

far too many think they have to be a grump, act like a grump, be nasty, not polite and always in a hurry (to go no where)....because they are a certain number on paper and act what they think is accordingly.....remember the saying, I may be getting older (number of birthdays) but I refuse to grow up/old (attitude/active/smile).

btk

Good post and good point about being a grump. Wasn't there a movie called "Grumpy Old Men"? If I remember correctly, men tend to get grumpy when they have low testosterone. So they need to get that checked out. :icon_wink: (They know who they are.)

[graciegirl]

Gracie, why are you interested in my farts?

Just trying to insert a little humor and a breath of fresh air into this thread.

Well, you know what I mean.:ohdear:

[Barefoot]

My plan is eat well, lots of good food, good steak, seafood, and yes vegetables, exercise a lot doing fun things, drink lots of good wine, good loving and probably die younger. But oh the smile and it will seem like I lived a long life because everyday I have enjoyed living. .

I can hear the enthusiasm in this post. Having a great fun-loving attitude is surely one excellent way to enjoy the golden years!

[Villages PL]

Enjoy life
Feel immense gratitude
Make someone else happy everyday
Love
Be and have good friends
Laugh and be joyful
Eat healthfully (also drink red wine and eat chocolate)
Exercise mind and body


Not bad PT. Although, my number 1 on the list would be "eat healthfully". And number 2 would be "exercise mind and body". For number 3 I would combine 1 and 6.

Are there any guidlines for your healthy diet, or is it the ever popular "American moderation diet" that allows for anything that feels good short term.

I guess joyfulness and happiness are interchangeable. I'll call it "happiness". Which comes first? Does wellness lead to happiness? Or does happiness lead to wellness? Being that happiness is a relative term, does anyone know how much happiness it takes to be well? I don't have any health problems (I pretty much have total wellness) so should I therefore conclude that I am sufficiently happy? Is that the measure one should go by?

[graciegirl]

Not bad PT. Although, my number 1 on the list would be "eat healthfully". And number 2 would be "exercise mind and body". For number 3 I would combine 1 and 6.

Are there any guidlines for your healthy diet, or is it the ever popular "American moderation diet" that allows for anything that feels good short term.

I guess joyfulness and happiness are interchangeable. I'll call it "happiness". Which comes first? Does wellness lead to happiness? Or does happiness lead to wellness? Being that happiness is a relative term, does anyone know how much happiness it takes to be well? I don't have any health problems (I pretty much have total wellness) so should I therefore conclude that I am sufficiently happy? Is that the measure one should go by?



Do you see a medical doctor every six month for tests on cholesterol and sugar and thyroid?

Has a medical doctor ever told you that you need any prescription medication? I have a friend who claims to take no medicine but it isn't because her doctor hasn't prescribed it. She just ignores his advice.

[Villages PL]

Just trying to insert a little humor and a breath of fresh air into this thread.

Well, you know what I mean.:ohdear:

Fresh air? Really? :yuck:

How about some FRESH documented information: There seems to be (perhaps) some difference of opinion on what roll genes play. So here goes:

The World Health Organization (WHO) puts out a World Cancer Report. Their research indicates that about 4% of cancers are "inherited or genetic". The rest (various types of cancer), are caused by the environment, diet and lifestyle and are thus preventable.

Another source: "The China Study" states that only 2 -3% of all cancers are genetic.

"The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton is basically in agreement. He's a biology professor. He says the deseases we can't prevent are those that are caused by a single defective gene like Huntington's and cystic fibrosis. And there are relatively few of them.

But the common degenerative diseases like cancer and heart trouble are caused my a complex interaction of many genes plus environment, diet and lifestyle. So the genes must be triggered; they don't just carry out a genetic program.

The conclusion: We are largely in control rather than our genes controling us.

[graciegirl]

Do you see a medical doctor every six month for tests on cholesterol and sugar and thyroid?

Has a medical doctor ever told you that you need any prescription medication? I have a friend who claims to take no medicine but it isn't because her doctor hasn't prescribed it. She just ignores his advice.

.[/QUOTE]

You didn't answer these questions, so I am bumping this.

[Villages PL]

I have wanted to ask you a few things and I will. Early on you mentioned in one of your posts that you were alone and lonely, I hope you are not, but having a wonderful spouse is a great adjunct to happiness, mine is.

Sorry, you got it wrong. Living alone and being lonely are two different things. You made an assumption based on YOUR feelings and then proceeded to believe your assumption, as if I said I was lonely. To the contrairy, I have said that I cherish my solitude. I do whatever I want to, whenever I want to. I eat what I want to when I want to. You get the idea.
As a comedian once said, "I don't have to get permission to open a window".


It is even stated that happily married people are more healthy. I think we kind of watch out for each other.

More healthy than who? Perhaps more healthy than unhappily married people? I wouldn't be afraid to compare my health with anyone, married or unmarried.

Do you see a medical doctor every six month for tests on cholesterol and sugar and thyroid?

You shouldn't try to judge others based on your regimen. If you have a condition, and your doctor asks you to get checked every 6 months, then perhaps it's called for. When I get a yearly check up, they schedule me for the following year.

Has a medical doctor ever told you that you need any prescription medication?

No. I guess good health is so rare at my age (71) that people think I must be playing tricks on them.

I have a friend who claims to take no medicine but it isn't because her doctor hasn't prescribed it. She just ignores his advice.

It must be cholesterol medication. I've known a few like your friend. My diet is about 99% vegan so I don't need medication to lower my cholesterol. It's well within normal range. And, as I have said before, my blood pressure (taken at my doctors office) is very consistent at 100/50 (without medication).

I hope I have not offended you by these questions.

No, I'm not offended.

:)

[graciegirl]

Sorry, you got it wrong. Living alone and being lonely are two different things. You made an assumption based on YOUR feelings and then proceeded to believe your assumption, as if I said I was lonely. To the contrairy, I have said that I cherish my solitude. I do whatever I want to, whenever I want to. I eat what I want to when I want to. You get the idea.
As a comedian once said, "I don't have to get permission to open a window".




More healthy than who? Perhaps more healthy than unhappily married people? I wouldn't be afraid to compare my health with anyone, married or unmarried.



You shouldn't try to judge others based on your regimen. If you have a condition, and your doctor asks you to get checked every 6 months, then perhaps it's called for. When I get a yearly check up, they schedule me for the following year.



No. I guess good health is so rare at my age (71) that people think I must be playing tricks on them.



It must be cholesterol medication. I've known a few like your friend. My diet is about 99% vegan so I don't need medication to lower my cholesterol. It's well within normal range. And, as I have said before, my blood pressure (taken at my doctors office) is very consistent at 100/50 (without medication).



No, I'm not offended.

:)

I am glad you are happy and most particularly healthy on your diet and your lifestyle. I was just going to ask you to come over and sit on our porch. We have the best time there. We three and the neighbors stop by and it really, really adds to our happiness and probably doesn't hurt our health either.

[tucson]

No drinking alcohol, soda, cow's milk,no eating meat, no fish from Far East, no drugs,no smoking, stay out of long exposure to the sun,and be careful of the doctor's and hospitals you go to.

[quill]

I think eating is only a portion of the problem. How do you answer the following?
Do you die your hair?
Do you get your nails done?
Do you use deodorant?
Do you use skin cream or lotion?
Do you use cleaning chemicals around the house?
Do you breath the gas fumes when filling your car?
Do you walk around barefoot on you lawn?
Do you wash you hands to remove chemicals as soon as you come off the golf course?
Do you use sun block rather than limiting sun exposure?
Do you use perfume?
What shampoo do you use?
On and on and on, etc.,etc.,
How you answer those questions are as important if not more so than how you eat. We are systematically poisoning ourselves with daily consumptions of chemicals that no one has researched. They may have researched how their own chemicals impact us but no company can go out and research how they all react together from one brand to the next. If all the vegan are watching for these things along with eating the way they do then congrats, but I think eating is only a small portion of the big picture. I have no proof, but believe that many of our current day illness are environmental, because we do not take the time to look ate what we are exposing ourselves to.
And lastly do you wear your seat belt?
And do you drive when you have drinking?


Food for thought?

[jimbo2012]

All contributing factors I'm sure, but more so perhaps for cancer related issues, mostly.

As you said no specific research to prove those associations, and if you did all that and were a vegan you still can get hit by a bus.

However, there is research on eating a vegan diet, rock solid!

Oh vegans can & do drink, (not driving)

[tucson]

Quill, do you ever watch or read Dr. Oz books? There's alot of research that's been done on WHAT we put in our bodies DO cause cancer, diabetes, heart problems, strokes, etc, etc. Yes, alot of environmental chemicals also do harm as well, I try very much to avoid most of those that you mentioned in my everyday life. :-)

[graciegirl]

All contributing factors I'm sure, but more so perhaps for cancer related issues, mostly.

As you said no specific research to prove those associations, and if you did all that and were a vegan you still can get hit by a bus.

However, there is research on eating a vegan diet, rock solid!

Oh vegans can & do drink, (not driving)

I would too. :wave:

[ilovetv]

I think eating is only a portion of the problem. How do you answer the following?
Do you die your hair?
Do you get your nails done?
Do you use deodorant?
Do you use skin cream or lotion?
Do you use cleaning chemicals around the house?
Do you breath the gas fumes when filling your car?
Do you walk around barefoot on you lawn?
Do you wash you hands to remove chemicals as soon as you come off the golf course?
Do you use sun block rather than limiting sun exposure?
Do you use perfume?
What shampoo do you use?
On and on and on, etc
How you answer those questions are as important if not more so than how you eat. We are systematically poisoning ourselves with daily consumptions of chemicals that no one has researched. They may have researched how their own chemicals impact us but no company can go out and research how they all react together from one brand to the next. If all the vegan are watching for these things along with eating the way they do then congrats, but
I think eating is only a small portion of the big picture. I have no proof, but believe that many of our current day illness are environmental, because we do not take the time to look ate what we are exposing ourselves to.
And lastly do you wear your seat belt?
And do you drive when you have drinking?
Food for thought?

THANK YOU.....for bringing in a big component of what has a LOT more to do with human cells mutating and going cancerous than whether we eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. or not.

I think there is a lot of confusion about the terms "genes" and "genetic" when
talking about what brings on or worsens th likelihood of cancer forming in us. Genes and genetics don't refer to just hereditary tendencies/traits. Genes and genetics also refer to the sets of instructions or codes witin cells that control how they form, work, and mutate.

This American Cancer Society page from its History of Cancer section is excellent and explains well some of the notions people rely on, thinking they can control cancer from ever forming in themselves.

Actually, only God can "control" or prevent any of this. But that would also require a person to resign from being General Manager of the Universe, to let God be in charge....and then ask him and listen for a response.

I know some are turned off by that, but read this interesting article anyway. We all learn something new every day.



"Modern knowledge and cancer causes"

By the middle of the 20th century, scientists had the instruments they needed to work on some of the complex problems of chemistry and biology that remained unsolved. James Watson and Francis Crick, who received a Nobel Prize in 1962 for their work, had discovered the exact chemical structure of
DNA, the basic material in genes.

DNA was found to be the basis of the genetic code that gives orders to all cells. After learning how to translate this code, scientists were able to understand how genes worked and how they could be damaged by mutations (changes or mistakes in genes). These modern techniques of chemistry and biology answered many complex questions about cancer.

Scientists already knew that cancer could be caused by chemicals, radiation, and viruses, and that sometimes cancer seemed to run in families. But as the
understanding of DNA and genes increased, they learned that it was the damage to DNA by chemicals and radiation, or the introduction of new DNA sequences by viruses that often led to the development of cancer. It became possible to pinpoint the exact site of the damage on a specific gene.

Scientists discovered that sometimes defective genes are inherited, and sometimes these inherited genes are defective at the same points that chemicals exerted their effect. In other words, most of the things that caused cancer (carcinogens) caused genetic damage (mutations), these mutations led to abnormal groups of cells (called clones), the mutant clones evolved to even more malignant clones over time, and the cancer progressed by more and more genetic damage and mutations. Normal cells with damaged DNA die; cancer cells with damaged DNA do not. The discovery of this critical difference answered many questions that had troubled scientists for many years....."

Modern knowledge and cancer cause (http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerBasics/TheHistoryofCancer/the-history-of-cancer-modern-knowledge-and-cancer-cause)

[jimbo2012]

iLovetv,

Please clarify one point here, do believe that MILK is good for you?

[quill]

All contributing factors I'm sure, but more so perhaps for cancer related issues, mostly.

As you said no specific research to prove those associations, and if you did all that and were a vegan you still can get hit by a bus.

However, there is research on eating a vegan diet, rock solid!

Oh vegans can & do drink, (not driving)

I do not know or really care, if there is research proving how chemicals impact us, I believe they do just as having to many X-rays does, so I choose to limit or completely remove chemicals from my life style, to the degree that I can.
The government tells us
eggs are bad and change's it mind
milk is bad and changes it's mind
coffee is bad and changes it's mind
sunscreen is good and changes it's mind
cholesterol medicine is good for you, maybe
Again etc., etc.,
I choose not to listen because behind all of it is often an agenda. If a vegan says I stopped doing something because of all the bad things in meat,eggs milk, whatever then how can chemicals be discounted in non-food items.
It may be proven that being a vegan is healthy from a medical standpoint (ie, eg, low blood pressure, low cholesterol, low whatever) but, unless you have an identical twin you are doing a double blind study with and the twin is eating all the bad stuff you are not, then you can not prove it will lengthen your life. It is the same as those that exercise all the time saying it will help life expectancy. A great number of long distance runners over the years have dropped dead while running.
Do what you will because life is a crap shoot and everyone should enjoy it anyway they feel they want, but if you espouse vegan then you should include chemicals (environment) in the equation or it it not a complete equation.

[anarick]

iLovetv,

Please clarify one point here, do believe that MILK is good for you?

depends on where you get it from and how old it is
:jester:

[jimbo2012]

depends on where you get it from and how old it is


Not if you get a tummy ache or tastes bad.

The issue was related to cancer and if you believe there's link.

[ilovetv]

iLovetv,

Please clarify one point here, do believe that MILK is good for you?

Why do you ask this?

[jimbo2012]

Why do you ask this?

Because you said "a LOT more to do with human cells mutating and going cancerous than whether we eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. or not."

Yes or no

[ilovetv]

Because you said "a LOT more to do with human cells mutating and going cancerous than whether we eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. or not."

Yes or no

Yes, I think mother's milk is nature's perfect food for babies and young toddlers.

Beyond that, referring to cow's milk, I go by what I see: All our parents and grandparents and their siblings drank milk till they died in their 80's, without cancers nor heart disease, and the ones that are still alive (our four parents) are all in their late 80's and still drink milk daily and are healthy.....probably due also to the fact that they don't smoke, and they walk a couple of miles daily.......and have good genes from hardy northern European ancestors (nordic types).

[jimbo2012]

The Dairy industry’s “GOT MILK “campaign is arguably the most successful campaigns of all time.
“Got Milk? is an American advertising campaign encouraging the consumption of cow’s milk.
http://quirkymarketingcalendar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/got-milk-2.jpg

I didn’t know until a bit over a year ago that milk contained Casein it is related to phosphoproteins.
These proteins are in milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow’s milk.

Dr. T. Colin Campbell's The China Study, a book about one of the largest nutritional studies ever conducted, describes a direct correlation between casein administered to rats and the promotion of cancer cell growth when exposed to carcinogens.
Aflatoxin (a potent carcinogen) was administered to these rats over a 2 week dosing period. The rats were given a 1 week post-dosing period before beginning the test (promotion period). During the promotion period, one group of rats was put on a 5% casein protein diet and another group on a 20% casein protein diet. None of the rats on 5% casein protein developed foci, precursors to cancerous cell growth, and every rat on 20% casein protein developed the pre-cancer foci. It should be noted that all test groups were fed a 20% casein diet for a total of 5 weeks (2-wk acclimation, 2-wk dosing, 1-wk post-dosing) prior to the 12 week promotion period in order to survive the initial aflatoxin B1 (AFB1) dosing, regardless of whether they were in the 5% or 20% test groups.

Studies conducted by Dr. Campbell on humans confirmed this correlation between the amount of casein protein consumed and the promotion of cancerous cell growth. Dr. Campbell found a correlation between cancer growth and the amount of casein protein in diet.

This study states “Casein is the most relevant carcinogen that humans ingest. It is more potent than DDT or dioxin.”

has also been linked to autism in some studies
Casein paint, is a fast-drying, water-soluble medium used by artists. Found in glues for woodworking.




Modern knowledge and cancer cause (http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerBasics/TheHistoryofCancer/the-history-of-cancer-modern-knowledge-and-cancer-cause)
ilovetv, this refers to dated 1962 materiel.

[2BNTV]

Some people age like fine wine. I age more like milk. :jester:

[graciegirl]

I like milk. I love ice cream.

[Villages PL]

No drinking alcohol, soda, cow's milk,no eating meat, no fish from Far East, no drugs,no smoking, stay out of long exposure to the sun,and be careful of the doctor's and hospitals you go to.

I wonder what cave men used to say: Watch out for lions, watch out for snakes, watch out for tigers, watch out for bees, watch out for lightening, watch out for bears, watch out for too much sun exposure. And the list goes on and on. Nothing has changed.

[senior citizen]

In all honesty, I'm not sure if this is actually possible for some. Of course, taking care to eat right, take safety precautions in living and taking and doing things in moderation is a good way to live, but there are those little genes that might just prevent long life. My Dad lived to 98 years of age....he smoked, drank, had lots of stress in his life, and didn' eat well by today's definition of what's healthy, but his mother as well as his grandmother lived into their very late 90's. My father-in-law exercised, ate well, regularly visited his health care providers, yet he died at 72 from cancer, a disease that plagued his family, and took the lives of his parents as well as many of his siblings.

I'm not advocating throwing all caution to the wind and doing whatever the heck we want....but it must also be recognized that we are the results of DNA soup and sometimes, no matter what....we either live longer or shorter lives. Sometimes our efforts to eat well, drink in moderation, and all the other things we do to stall the Grim Reaper, may keep some of around longer, sometimes, not.

I'll get off my soapbox now and get busy....the more you move, the less likely you will rust..... ;)

Everything that you said above is the honest truth of the matter.
It is the genetics which we inherited.......our DNA that is the key to either our longevity or our being assailed by cancer or other life shortening diseases.

I've seen the skinniest, healthiest eaters who were also avid exercisers to the point of obsession, die young of cancer........whereas, I've also seen smokers and lovers of fine food live to a ripe old age.

I would add "to be kind to everyone, meditate or pray in whatever tradition you favor, to still your mind, and not sweat the small stuff."

[zcaveman]

I wonder what cave men used to say: Watch out for lions, watch out for snakes, watch out for tigers, watch out for bees, watch out for lightening, watch out for bears, watch out for too much sun exposure. And the list goes on and on. Nothing has changed.

We used to say eat the lion and tigers and bears and use their skins for warmth. Lightening cause fire to keep us warm. Sun is good - keeps cold away - brr. You are right - nothing has changed.

zcaveman

[Villages PL]

Actually, only God can "control" or prevent any of this.

This is called defeatism: a mind set of expecting, accepting, or being resigned to defeat. We might as well shut down the science of nutrition and health because everything is hopeless.

I once had an obese neighbor who believed that, "your days are numbered by God from when you're born". So, no matter what you do, it's not going to help you or hurt you. If God intends you to live to the age of 65 or 75, that's it, you can't change it no matter what.

So, once a person says something like that, you should know that you can't have a logical conversation with that person. In her case, it was a fiction that allowed her to continue her addiction to fast food. About the last 8 years of her life consisted of her health going steadily down hill. She often wondered aloud, "where are my golden years?" But she never let up on her fast food addiction and eventually died from a massive stroke.

One thing I learned from her is that you can't reason with someone who believes that everything is determined in advance by a higher power.

[Barefoot]

The government tells us
eggs are bad and change's it mind
milk is bad and changes it's mind
coffee is bad and changes it's mind
sunscreen is good and changes it's mind
cholesterol medicine is good for you, maybe
Again etc., etc.,
I choose not to listen because behind all of it is often an agenda.

We were told that olive oil is a healthy replacement for butter. And now "new studies" show olive oil is bad, bad, bad. Some doctors are saying we need to increase the amount of beef we eat. There are studies which prove or disprove just about everything.

I think there are four factors that make us healthy: common sense, moderation, good genes and a zest for life.

[thistrucksforyou]

I Agree...My DNA soup is getting hot !

[senior citizen]

THANK YOU.....for bringing in a big component of what has a LOT more to do with human cells mutating and going cancerous than whether we eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. or not.

I think there is a lot of confusion about the terms "genes" and "genetic" when
talking about what brings on or worsens th likelihood of cancer forming in us. Genes and genetics don't refer to just hereditary tendencies/traits. Genes and genetics also refer to the sets of instructions or codes witin cells that control how they form, work, and mutate.

This American Cancer Society page from its History of Cancer section is excellent and explains well some of the notions people rely on, thinking they can control cancer from ever forming in themselves.

Actually, only God can "control" or prevent any of this. But that would also require a person to resign from being General Manager of the Universe, to let God be in charge....and then ask him and listen for a response.

I know some are turned off by that, but read this interesting article anyway. We all learn something new every day.



"Modern knowledge and cancer causes"

By the middle of the 20th century, scientists had the instruments they needed to work on some of the complex problems of chemistry and biology that remained unsolved. James Watson and Francis Crick, who received a Nobel Prize in 1962 for their work, had discovered the exact chemical structure of
DNA, the basic material in genes.

DNA was found to be the basis of the genetic code that gives orders to all cells. After learning how to translate this code, scientists were able to understand how genes worked and how they could be damaged by mutations (changes or mistakes in genes). These modern techniques of chemistry and biology answered many complex questions about cancer.

Scientists already knew that cancer could be caused by chemicals, radiation, and viruses, and that sometimes cancer seemed to run in families. But as the
understanding of DNA and genes increased, they learned that it was the damage to DNA by chemicals and radiation, or the introduction of new DNA sequences by viruses that often led to the development of cancer. It became possible to pinpoint the exact site of the damage on a specific gene.

Scientists discovered that sometimes defective genes are inherited, and sometimes these inherited genes are defective at the same points that chemicals exerted their effect. In other words, most of the things that caused cancer (carcinogens) caused genetic damage (mutations), these mutations led to abnormal groups of cells (called clones), the mutant clones evolved to even more malignant clones over time, and the cancer progressed by more and more genetic damage and mutations. Normal cells with damaged DNA die; cancer cells with damaged DNA do not. The discovery of this critical difference answered many questions that had troubled scientists for many years....."

Modern knowledge and cancer cause (http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerBasics/TheHistoryofCancer/the-history-of-cancer-modern-knowledge-and-cancer-cause)


In general, an excellent post. Many cancers are caused by "modern medicine" as it was perceived in the past......far too many xrays before the true risks were known (family member who had lots of xrays to abdominal area to detect if a "twin child" was present, later died of uterine and kidney cancer which spread to bones and brain. The xrays were too powerful back in the 1950's. Many who "over doctored" then are obviously dead now. Those who chose a more natural or holistic health path , did live to a ripe old age.

Chemicals, as you mention, in all of our "beauty products" ditto, unnatural to the body.

Occupational cancers for those who worked in the shipyards, plumbing or heating, automotive type industries where they breathed in a lot of chemicals.....without realizing at the time they were carcinogens.

On and on.....the perils of "modern life" since the 1950's.......wasn't that when the first "t.v. dinner" came out?

AGAIN, at the prospect of being repetitive.........we know dozens upon dozens of people who were health fanatics, shunning anything that tasted good as "poison to their body"........ate all the rabbit food, no oils, no meat, etc..........all died of cancer. So, go figure. It isn't necessarily the food............many of these deceased were avid cyclists, joggers, runners in marathons, did everything right as they perceived it to be...........however, if cancer runs in your family.......it can happen no matter what one does in the way of healthy habits.

Smoking is also a terrible habit as strong a pull as heroin, so they say.
Very addictive. The cause of most lung cancers. Why then did all the old Italian gents who smoked cigars live to a ripe old age? I've always wondered that. How different is a cigarette to a smelly cigar?

[senior citizen]

I do not know or really care, if there is research proving how chemicals impact us, I believe they do just as having to many X-rays does, so I choose to limit or completely remove chemicals from my life style, to the degree that I can.
The government tells us
eggs are bad and change's it mind
milk is bad and changes it's mind
coffee is bad and changes it's mind
sunscreen is good and changes it's mind
cholesterol medicine is good for you, maybe
Again etc., etc.,
I choose not to listen because behind all of it is often an agenda. If a vegan says I stopped doing something because of all the bad things in meat,eggs milk, whatever then how can chemicals be discounted in non-food items.
It may be proven that being a vegan is healthy from a medical standpoint (ie, eg, low blood pressure, low cholesterol, low whatever) but, unless you have an identical twin you are doing a double blind study with and the twin is eating all the bad stuff you are not, then you can not prove it will lengthen your life. It is the same as those that exercise all the time saying it will help life expectancy. A great number of long distance runners over the years have dropped dead while running.
Do what you will because life is a crap shoot and everyone should enjoy it anyway they feel they want, but if you espouse vegan then you should include chemicals (environment) in the equation or it it not a complete equation.

Yes, the government and the "evening news" flip flops on EVERYTHING.
We are so sick of those doctors on the evening news. It's turned into a medical show whereas before it was strictly news.

Hubby thinks the pharmaceutical companies have a powerful pull,not only on the networks and what they choose to show......or discuss......but on our government as a whole.

All of the tests everyone was supposed to have , to the point of some that we know running to a different doctor every day of the week.......now they say are unneccesary or only should be used sparingly.
All of the xray type tests probably did more harm than good.

Our pet peeve are all the "side effects" on the commercials during the evening news......after they paint the glowing portrait of the wonder drugs for various ailments of simple aging............the side effects are worse than the disease itself. Dis ease. Meaning one is not comfortable. However, our bodies were not made for all these chemicals.

We know people in the chemical business who supplied pesticides to farmers in order to produce better crops. All of these are known carcinogens.......on the food we consume. I doubt if they can all be "washed off" in a soap bath. Just saying............

I agree with those who say "everything in moderation".......

Popping supplements is another over done "health measure".

[Barefoot]

Popping supplements is another over done "health measure".

It's a "Dr. Oz" world out there. I have a friend who works at a Health Food Store. She says that the day after Dr. Oz recommends a supplement, the store sells out of the product.

[senior citizen]

It's a "Dr. Oz" world out there. I have a friend who works at a Health Food Store. She says that the day after Dr. Oz recommends a supplement, the store sells out of the product.

I believe it. I always liked Dr. Oz and enjoyed him when he was a frequent guest on Oprah. I'd have her on in the kitchen when I was preparing supper.

However, his new show, which we actually began watching during the month of November 2011 while in The Villages........has turned into a sales pitch for various supplements and health type remedies.

He's obviously earning profits from all these pitches.

Not all supplements are safe. Too much of any of this can be dangerous.

We have family members who carry along dozens of "baggies" of their daily supplements........truthfully, I could not swallow that volume of pills. Every new remedy that is mentioned , either on t.v. or in Prevention Magazine, etc. they run to the health food store to purchase.

Since so many of our foods (yes processed foods) are already supplemented, certain of these can be over dosing. Too much of a good thing?

My plain common sense tells me that our natural bodies are NOT made to handle all these chemicals.......whether in pills or chemo type treatments.*

*We've seen too many younger friends die of breast cancer lately where the treatment was worse than the cure.....all after having double mastectomies and breast restoration at top university hospitals like Dartmouth. It later spread to the rib cage and every other organ in the body. Early detection might be good for some, but harmful to many that we've known. I think most of these are caused by the birth control pills of the earlier decades. For the older women, it's the hormone replacement therapy.

Again, natural is the best way to go........re anything.

Not to be disrespectful of the vegans and vegetarians out there, but all of these "younger women in their 40's and 50's" followed that dietary plan. Obviously, it did not save their lives.

We also had a dear friend whose grandmother had the same lung condition she had. The grandmother lived to 95, dying of old age, while our friend, had invasive biopsies of her lung at another top medical center, was put on prednisone and another clinical trial drug (it wasn't cancer but a disease of the aveolar sacs in the lungs).....they punctured her ribs and lung and as she was recuperating had to be rushed back to our hospital where eventually she bled out and finally was put in a medical coma, as we stood by her bedside, family hoping for a heart lung transplant.........but it was too late. We feel had she not had the biopsy to begin with........the rest would not have happened. Her symptom was basically a chronic cough........she knew what she had and lived with it since a younger woman. Often, invasive testing does more harm than good.

I apologize for getting off the "supplements track".
So, even in doctoring...............less is more.............

[graciegirl]

I believe it. I always liked Dr. Oz and enjoyed him when he was a frequent guest on Oprah. I'd have her on in the kitchen when I was preparing supper.

However, his new show, which we actually began watching during the month of November 2011 while in The Villages........has turned into a sales pitch for various supplements and health type remedies.

He's obviously earning profits from all these pitches.

Not all supplements are safe. Too much of any of this can be dangerous.

We have family members who carry along dozens of "baggies" of their daily supplements........truthfully, I could not swallow that volume of pills. Every new remedy that is mentioned , either on t.v. or in Prevention Magazine, etc. they run to the health food store to purchase.

Since so many of our foods (yes processed foods) are already supplemented, certain of these can be over dosing. Too much of a good thing?

My plain common sense tells me that our natural bodies are NOT made to handle all these chemicals.......whether in pills or chemo type treatments.*

*We've seen too many younger friends die of breast cancer lately where the treatment was worse than the cure.....all after having double mastectomies and breast restoration at top university hospitals like Dartmouth. It later spread to the rib cage and every other organ in the body. Early detection might be good for some, but harmful to many that we've known. I think most of these are caused by the birth control pills of the earlier decades. For the older women, it's the hormone replacement therapy.

Again, natural is the best way to go........re anything.

Not to be disrespectful of the vegans and vegetarians out there, but all of these "younger women in their 40's and 50's" followed that dietary plan. Obviously, it did not save their lives.

We also had a dear friend whose grandmother had the same lung condition she had. The grandmother lived to 95, dying of old age, while our friend, had invasive biopsies of her lung at another top medical center, was put on prednisone and another clinical trial drug (it wasn't cancer but a disease of the aveolar sacs in the lungs).....they punctured her ribs and lung and as she was recuperating had to be rushed back to our hospital where eventually she bled out and finally was put in a medical coma, as we stood by her bedside, family hoping for a heart lung transplant.........but it was too late. We feel had she not had the biopsy to begin with........the rest would not have happened. Her symptom was basically a chronic cough........she knew what she had and lived with it since a younger woman. Often, invasive testing does more harm than good.

I apologize for getting off the "supplements track".
So, even in doctoring...............less is more.............

I agree with most of what you say in this post Senior, but on a couple points I do have to say a word or too.

Breast cancer in young women (under fifty) is usually a much more aggressive form and if it is the type fed by estrogen,(not all are) their bodies are still making a lot. In women over fifty, if cancer of the breast is discovered early, than more often it can be put in remission for a number of reasons. I am sure that many who are reading this are fighting breast cancer. Both our daughter Helene who had breast cancer when she was 29 and me, we survived. As did 13 family members. Only three had familial.They survived. Breast cancer is not one cancer either but a lot of different kinds and we need to go to a place that treats a lot and has the best treatment options.

Sometimes when we see two people who have lung cancer we think it is the same form, it often is not. Again we need to find the best place to treat any serious disease we have and with cancer, we can't eat to prevent it and we can't eat to make it go away and the same with supplements. They are not going to work with cancer. Until somethng better comes along, our best shot is what is prescribed for us which is often chemo and radiation, terrible poisons and killers. Cancer isn't a baby game and this is no time to try to duplicate the knowlege of people who treat it daily. Time is of the essence.

Money is being made by big pharma, by doctors everywhere, and certainly by the supplement industry. It does make us suspicious of all, or should. We need to make the choices that are best for us and not try something in desperation. But most doctors are trustworthy, you would be wise to go to an oncology group with ties to a respected teaching hospital if your diagnosis is cancer.

Invasive testing is sometimes needed. Unfortunatly, and we have to remember that too. Fear is an awful thing when it keeps us from the treatment we need.

Now we are off the track.

[senior citizen]

I agree with most of what you say in this post Senior, but on a couple points I do have to say a word or too.

Breast cancer in young women (under fifty) is usually a much more aggressive form and if it is the type fed by estrogen,(not all are) their bodies are still making a lot. In women over fifty, if cancer of the breast is discovered early, than more often it can be put in remission for a number of reasons. I am sure that many who are reading this are fighting breast cancer. Both our daughter Helene who had breast cancer when she was 29 and me, we survived. As did 13 family members. Only three had familial.They survived. Breast cancer is not one cancer either but a lot of different kinds and we need to go to a place that treats a lot and has the best treatment options.

Sometimes when we see two people who have lung cancer we think it is the same form, it often is not. Again we need to find the best place to treat any serious disease we have and with cancer, we can't eat to prevent it and we can't eat to make it go away and the same with supplements. They are not going to work with cancer. Until somethng better comes along, our best shot is what is prescribed for us which is often chemo and radiation, terrible poisons and killers. Cancer isn't a baby game and this is no time to try to duplicate the knowlege of people who treat it daily. Time is of the essence.

Money is being made by big pharma, by doctors everywhere, and certainly by the supplement industry. It does make us suspicious of all, or should. We need to make the choices that are best for us and not try something in desperation. But most doctors are trustworthy, you would be wise to go to an oncology group with ties to a respected teaching hospital if your diagnosis is cancer.

Invasive testing is sometimes needed. Unfortunatly, and we have to remember that too. Fear is an awful thing when it keeps us from the treatment we need.

Now we are off the track.

I hear you Gracie. God Bless you & all your family members.
The recent ones I mentioned were younger women in their 40's with the familial gene and the aggressive form.........the others were in their 50's which is still young in my book.

They all went for second opinions to the best of the best in Boston and ended up having survery in Hanover, New Hampshire, again at the best; plus the reconstructive surgery, ditto. They had their chemo and radiation here in town at our oncology center at the hospital.

Others, our own age .....our peers, went to Mount Sinai in New York City for their cancer treatment........they were extremely athletic types and followed vegan diets prior to the diagnosis.

I'm just saying there are no guarantees in life.

Several of our friends passed from the non smoker lung cancer.
Never smoked a day in their lives. They had been treated for asthma and bronchitis and all were on inhalers. Finally after years of that, they were told they had stage four lung cancer.....and given chemo and radiation and died two years after treatment.

You, your daughter and your other family members are truly blessed.

We saw bright, obviously healthy to begin with, "runners", cyclists, etc. go quickly after chemo and radiation.........I wonder if the reconstruction surgery might let some of the "cells" escape into the blood stream????

Again, these people did not favor junk foods to begin with; they were truly into a healthy lifestyle in every way possible.

The one who was our age lost all feeling in her feet,her hands, had seizures, etc. not from her cancer.......the oncologist told her it was from the chemo. She could no longer knit, her favorite past time. Also, she was a non smoker.

By the way, Dartmouth is a fine hospital and a fine university.
Many of our doctors and surgeons in town here were trained there.
However, we also know doctors and R.N.'s as friends and neighbors and believe it or not, they claim that if they ever got the dreaded disease, they would not get chemo or radiation. Time will tell.

Always value your opinion Gracie. Just relaying what has been our experience.

In my mom in law's days, they didn't even tell the patient they had cancer.......she passed at 54 but had it for about 4 years, no treatment at that time........just surgeries. Kidney removal, Uterus removal, etc., etc. She actually died without pain, even though it spread to her brain and bones. I think it was a sarcoma if my memory is correct. It was 41 years ago............as compared to the younger women mentioned above.

[jimbo2012]

In a new Inquirer article

Diseases are almost always caused or triggered by external factors—the environment, stress and diet. Few have given thought to the idea that something as common, and relished, as meat or animal protein may have a hand in causing cancer.

Early studies have linked excess consumption of animal protein not just to cardiovascular diseases, but to cancer as well. Literature from the journal Lancet titled “Lymphomas and animal-protein consumption” by A. S. Cunningham revealed international comparisons, suggesting countries where more animal protein is eaten have more cases of cancer of the lymph nodes among the general population.

“The link between animal protein consumption and lymphoma appears solid,” said Dr. Neil Nedley, MD, author of the book “Proof Positive (How to Reliably Combat Disease and Achieve Optimal health through Nutrition and Lifestyle).”

The US Department of Health and Human Services’ The Surgeon General’s Report on Nutrition and Health, US Government Printing Office reported in 1988 that other population studies have found a strong association between animal protein consumption and increased incidence of cancers other than lymphoma. According to the International Journal of Cancer on April 15, 1995 by B. Armstrong and R. Doll, increased animal protein consumption increased the risk of cancers of the breast, colon, prostate, kidney and womb (endometrium).

Some truth in both assumptions

“With all of these associations, the question could be asked whether it is animal protein that is so bad, or whether the bigger problem is lack of certain nutrients found abundantly in a plant-based diet. Actually there is some truth in both assumptions. Animal protein itself does increase risk when compared to vegetable protein,” Nedley said.

Nutrients found in many plant products appear to prevent cancer. Thus, those who consume large amounts of animal protein are likely depriving themselves of an adequate intake of healthful plant products.
Of all forms of cancer, colon cancer may be the most strongly linked to diet. John Robbins, author of “The Food Revolution (How Your Diet Can Help Save Your Life and Our World),” explained that the food one eats has a great impact on the health of his or her colon.

“If you step back and look at the data (on beef and cancer), the optimum amount of red meat you eat should be zero,” said Walter Willett, MD, chair of the Nutrition Department, Harvard School of Public Health, and director of a study of 88,000 American nurses that analyzed the link between diet and colon cancer.

The risk of colon cancer for women who eat red meat daily compared to those who eat it less than once a month: 250 percent greater, according to the American Association of Endocrine Surgeons’ “Presidential Address: Beyond Surgery” by Caldwell Esselstyn, San Jose, California.

The risk of colon cancer for people who eat poultry once a week compared to those who do not eat the same: 55 percent greater, according to the American Journal of Epidemiology study titled “Dietary Risk Factors for Colon Cancer in a Low-Risk Population” by P. N. Singh.

The study also said the risk of colon cancer for people who eat poultry four times a week compared to those who abstain: 200 to 300 percent greater.

Risk of colon cancer

It also cited that the risk of colon cancer for people who eat red meat once a week compared to those who abstain: 38 percent greater.
The same study stated that the risk of colon cancer for people who eat beans, peas, or lentils at least twice a week compared to people who avoid these foods: 50 percent lower.

The Food Revolution cited that the impact of risk for colon cancer when diets are rich in the B-vitamin folic acid: 75 percent lower. The primary food sources of folic acid are dark green leafy vegetables, beans and peas.

[jimbo2012]

This thread is going about one month now, 3500 have read it due to an interest slowing down their aging process (as the title implies).

Therefore, one can conclude there is a desire to stay young active and healthy

Yet with that interest naysayers claim all the facts presented still don't make them change some of their old eating habits. :icon_hungry:

If your blood work shows all parameters in the normal range without meds* and you're not overweight and feel great, fine.

But in seeing pics & videos of some of the residents that isn't the case weight wise ( please don't take that comment the wrong way)

There's just tooooo much evidence that proves dietary choices can allow you to live a longer active life, is it a 100% guarantee, no of course not.

But why decrease your chances.:shrug:

Try it for a month there is no way you will not not feel the difference.

*meds for things that can be corrected with diet only

[Villages PL]

Around the turn of the century a large scale study was done to compare the number of cancer deaths between Okinawa, Japan and the U.S. The U.S. had 5.5 times more deaths due to cancer.

Another study showed that the number of deaths between second generation Japanese-Americans and the rest of Americans was basically the same. This proved that the difference in the number of deaths in the first study was not due to genetics. Japanese Americans, when they adopt the U.S. lifestyle, have the same disease rates as the overall U.S. population.

[graciegirl]

This thread is going about one month now, 3500 have read it due to an interest slowing down their aging process (as the title implies).

Therefore, one can conclude there is a desire to stay young active and healthy

Yet with that interest naysayers claim all the facts presented still don't make them change some of their old eating habits. :icon_hungry:

If your blood work shows all parameters in the normal range without meds* and you're not overweight and feel great, fine.

But in seeing pics & videos of some of the residents that isn't the case weight wise ( please don't take that comment the wrong way)

There's just tooooo much evidence that proves dietary choices can allow you to live a longer active life, is it a 100% guarantee, no of course not.

But why decrease your chances.:shrug:

Try it for a month there is no way you will not not feel the difference.

*meds for things that can be corrected with diet only

Just to clarify. VillagesPl has told us that he is 71, lives alone and doesn't watch TV, he hasn't mentioned if he drinks alcohol.

Jimbo, you have shared that you do drink alcohol and you have TV. How old are you?

I am 72. I know, I look like I am 16, but heck some of us have good genes. :). I don't drink or smoke. I am mildly addicted to Publix Premium Rum Raisin ice cream. ;)

[Villages PL]

........they were extremely athletic types and followed vegan diets prior to the diagnosis.

I'm just saying there are no guarantees in life.

Absolutely, there are no guarantees. Everyone is born with strengths and weaknesses. And we don't always know what they will be. Here are a couple of points I would like to make.

1) When someone says, "they were extremely athletic types", a red flag goes up. Being extremely athletic can raise cortisol levels and thus be damaging to the body, depending on the individual and how extreme they are.

2) They followed vegan diets: Not all vegan diets are the same. A vegan with a sweet tooth can consume large amounts of sugar. Some vegans might eat lots of baked goods made with white flour or lots of white potatoes. They might not get enough B12 or D3 etc.. They might consume too much sodium. You get the idea.


Several of our friends passed from the non smoker lung cancer.
Never smoked a day in their lives. They had been treated for asthma and bronchitis and all were on inhalers. Finally after years of that, they were told they had stage four lung cancer.....and given chemo and radiation and died two years after treatment.

Yes, that can happen. A neighbor of mine died from lung cancer and she never smoked. If I hadn't known her, I would have thought the same as you, that it doesn't matter what a person does. However, I found out that before moving to TV, she lived in a large city that had very thick smog. It was so thick, it would make her eyes burn.

Again, these people did not favor junk foods to begin with; they were truly into a healthy lifestyle in every way possible.

I met a neighbor of mine when I lived on E. Schwartz Blvd.. He told me he ate a lot of vegetables. And I believed him. When I joined the neighborhood group and got to know him better, I found that he mostly ate potatoes (Fried, baked and mashed). That's a lot of vegetables! But not the best ones for nutrition. So, be careful. We can be led astray.

Your post sounds like you are setting up excuses for yourself to eat whatever you like.

[Villages PL]

Just to clarify. VillagesPl has told us that he is 71, lives alone and doesn't watch TV, he hasn't mentioned if he drinks alcohol.

I don't drink alcohol. But believe me when I say, "I am not depriving myself".
I tried to be a "moderate" beer drinker....thought it would be fun. I went out and bought a 6 pack but couldn't even finish it. I hated it.

Years later I decided to try my luck with wine. So I bought a bottle of wine. I could only tolerate about 3 ounces with a snack of cheese and crackers. (I was not a vegan at the time.) If you only drink 3 ounces per day, it doesn't take long before the wine becomes oxidized and stale. So each day it would taste worse than the day before. And now that I'm a vegan, I feel as though it wouldn't go well with fruit, vegetables, legumes etc..

Also, alcohol has a high acid content which your body has to work to nutralize, which may cause one to lose some calcium in the process. The same goes for coffee and some types of tea.

[graciegirl]

Here is a list of vegetables.

Only a couple are not frequently cooked or prepared raw in our kitchen.

Which are favorites or disliked on this list by you readers.

http://cookery.newarchaeology.com/vegetables.php

[jimbo2012]

Jimbo, you have shared that you do drink alcohol and you have TV. How old are you?

I am 72. I know, I look like I am 16

Not sure what that typo was "you have TV"

I'll just say younger, when we meet I want you to guess my & my sweeties age, if you're right the drinks R on us.

I don't want to U feel bad but based on your avatar you look more like 19.

A quick look at your veggie list is fine, but if you eat animal based foods it takes up the room for those.

[Barefoot]

Just to clarify. VillagesPl has told us that he is 71, lives alone and doesn't watch TV, he hasn't mentioned if he drinks alcohol.

Jimbo, you have shared that you do drink alcohol and you have TV. How old are you?


Not sure what that typo was "you have TV"

I think Gracie is saying that you drink alcohol and watch television. As compared to VillagesPl who doesn't drink alcohol or own a television, and lives alone.

I think Gracie (like myself) is trying to figure out the benefits and drawbacks of a veggie diet, and trying to figure out what that type of lifestyle would look like.

[senior citizen]

Absolutely, there are no guarantees. Everyone is born with strengths and weaknesses. And we don't always know what they will be. Here are a couple of points I would like to make.

1) When someone says, "they were extremely athletic types", a red flag goes up. Being extremely athletic can raise cortisol levels and thus be damaging to the body, depending on the individual and how extreme they are.

2) They followed vegan diets: Not all vegan diets are the same. A vegan with a sweet tooth can consume large amounts of sugar. Some vegans might eat lots of baked goods made with white flour or lots of white potatoes. They might not get enough B12 or D3 etc.. They might consume too much sodium. You get the idea.




Yes, that can happen. A neighbor of mine died from lung cancer and she never smoked. If I hadn't known her, I would have thought the same as you, that it doesn't matter what a person does. However, I found out that before moving to TV, she lived in a large city that had very thick smog. It was so thick, it would make her eyes burn.



I met a neighbor of mine when I lived on E. Schwartz Blvd.. He told me he ate a lot of vegetables. And I believed him. When I joined the neighborhood group and got to know him better, I found that he mostly ate potatoes (Fried, baked and mashed). That's a lot of vegetables! But not the best ones for nutrition. So, be careful. We can be led astray.

Your post sounds like you are setting up excuses for yourself to eat whatever you like.


Not true to the last sentence. Mainly I was discussing chemicals and pharmaceuticals, etc. .............at least that is how I started out.......
one thing did lead to another.

The athletic types I mentioned were doctors and high powered corporate owners (engineers)........two of these men cycled all over Europe plus within the U.S.........they were extremely thin and were vegans.
They ate brown rice, veggies, no oil......seeds and nuts, natural stuff.
I doubt if they ate a lot of baked goods as their wives did not bake; if they did it would be some healthy bread.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about HEALTHY people who did everything RIGHT and still died of cancer. I do believe it was in their genetics. They were non smokers and from what I could tell, at our parties, etc. or dinner, non drinkers.

It's a complicated subject for sure.

[jimbo2012]

Just one question how do you know for a fact they were vegans?

[senior citizen]

Just one question how do you know for a fact they were vegans?

From their wives and from them.

Our theory is that perhaps with the daily cycling, "maybe" they breathed in a lot of exhaust fumes? Not much traffic up here, but perhaps while competing elsewhere? I really don't know. One had lung cancer which then wrapped around his heart. Both non smokers.

Again, a puzzlement.

Believe me, these men were physically fit, highly intelligent and extremely active as far as daily exercise went. They were not couch potatoes. All I'm trying to say is that one never knows and it isn't necessarily a perfect diet that protects one against cancer.

Both wives also got cancer. They cooked very healthily and sparingly at that (of ingredients). Let just say, not rich foods nor lavish spreads.

[jimbo2012]

I think Gracie is saying that you drink alcohol and watch television. As compared to VillagesPl who doesn't drink alcohol or own a television, and lives alone.

I think Gracie (like myself) is trying to figure out the benefits and drawbacks of a veggie diet, and trying to figure out what that type of lifestyle would look like.

There's nothing negative health wise in not only my opinion but in speaking to Dr. Esseltyn in social drinking, my wife & I will have wine or beer don't care for hard liqueur never have, nothing to do with diet, but I'm sure it's fine.

There really has been absolutely no activity or other lifestyle changes involved of things you currently enjoy.
But seriously there is one change, you just have way more energy to do things so I guess our lifestyle expanded to more things.

Example; if you play 18 holes you can go to 27 or 36 without being knocked out. Silly example but in TV it should ring home. :shrug:

As far as the benefits most have been touched upon.

I'll ask what benefits would you like to achieve?, maybe then I can answer better.

Also are you concerned of any drawback?

[senior citizen]

p.s.
I think I'm going to move over to the pork tenderloin sandwich posts...............
from the Midwest !!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimbo2012]

From their wives and from them.

Our theory is that perhaps with the daily cycling, "maybe" they breathed in a lot of exhaust fumes? Not much traffic up here, but perhaps while competing elsewhere? I really don't know. One had lung cancer which then wrapped around his heart. Both non smokers.

Again, a puzzlement.

Believe me, these men were physically fit, highly intelligent and extremely active as far as daily exercise went. They were not couch potatoes. All I'm trying to say is that one never knows and it isn't necessarily a perfect diet that protects one against cancer.

Both wives also got cancer. They cooked very healthily and sparingly at that (of ingredients). Let just say, not rich foods nor lavish spreads.

It is strange for both couples to get cancer, 4 people, it may have been environmental more than anything else. :undecided:

.

[graciegirl]

Just one question how do you know for a fact they were vegans?


Most young girls are vegans. Of course that age keeps getting lower these days. OH. You said vegans.

[jimbo2012]

R U this witty in person?

I have U on the top of my list to meet when I get there.:bowdown:

[graciegirl]

It is strange for both couples to get cancer, 4 people, it may have been environmental more than anything else. :undecided:

.

Our daughter Helene, who is 46, has lived with us her whole life and eaten food that I have prepared for all of her life. The same food as her father and me. We do eat out but maybe once a week, rarely more. She walks an hour every morning. She weighs 125.

Her cholesterol began to climb last year. Ours have remained much below 200 into our seventies.

Among other things she was born with an elastin gene deletion, part of Williams Syndrome.

I think from what I have read that some people are born with slightly different kinds of genetic makeup that can either give them an edge or a slam in the cholesterol department. Helene has a diagnosed irregularity of genetics.

Just sayin'. And all my sayin' ain't gonna change anyone's mind.

[jimbo2012]

Gracie, cholesterol is absolutely diet related, from what we have read (and that's a lot) genetics have less to do with it then we are led to believe, now don't start hammering me on that statement.

I can support it.

In certain countries the norm is 90-120, here we are led to believe as U just stated that <200 is good, it's not.

The target s/b <150, Dr. Esseltyn claims no one with a cholesterol below has had clogged arteries.

R your cholesterol levels with or without meds?

Ours range 130-135 no meds.

[senior citizen]

It is strange for both couples to get cancer, 4 people, it may have been environmental more than anything else. :undecided:

.

WE all live in a small town with no smokestack industry, surrounded by the Green Mountain National Forest and / or farmlands. No super highways up here.......slow going traffic in town. It's not the type of place where one has to "commute" to work on a highway.

One gentleman was born in California........so who knows re environmental exposure. His first wife also died of cancer as did his mother. The second wife's parents both died of cancer; she has recurrent cancer. Strict vegans.

Again, my original point was that in their cases, no matter what they did as far as living a healthy lifestyle........super healthy in fact......
cancer did befall them.

Not just these handful of people..........but I know many others who did everything right and still succumbed to cancer.......so I'd say it's in the DNA..........they can actually test for various genes nowadays.

Not to make lightly of everyone's food choices..........but we just ordered and enjoyed (delivered by Domino's Pizza to our front door), two great
Artisan specialty pizzas.........light flaky thin crust.....really yummy, both with lots of onions, garlic, baby spinach leaves.......but one of the artisan pizzas had alfredo sauce and large amount of spinach and feta.

The other artisan pizza was a Tuscan Salami and Roasted Vegetable version with lots of different colored peppers, garlic parmesan sauce, onions and lots of oregano.

Life is short. We enjoyed part of it and refrigerated the remainder.
These are NOT like the heavy,laden with cheese and pepperoni, etc. pizzas of old..........although they still do make them. Since we discovered the artisan types, that's what we get for a light supper , every now and then.

[jimbo2012]

Not to make lightly of everyone's food choices.

Oh nooooooo, not much barf

http://cdn5.fotosearch.com/bthumb/CRT/CRT324/15367-41CP.jpg

[graciegirl]

Gracie, cholesterol is absolutely diet related, from what we have read (and that's a lot) genetics have less to do with it then we are led to believe, now don't start hammering me on that statement.

I can support it.

In certain countries the norm is 90-120, here we are led to believe as U just stated that <200 is good, it's not.

The target s/b <150, Dr. Esseltyn claims no one with a cholesterol below has had clogged arteries.

R your cholesterol levels with or without meds?

Ours range 130-135 no meds.

I disagree. You aren't the only one who reads.
Genetic variants in PCSK9 affect the cholesterol... [J Hum Genet. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14727156)
Our figures are without medication. Lucky genetics.

When I was 58 my cholesterol was 126. Now it is about 27 points higher.

How old are YOU? Age, genetics, diet, lifestyle, level of contentment, all add up to someone's total health picture.

I think I am gonna stop reading this thread. It isn't good for my blood pressure.

[jimbo2012]

http://images.clipartof.com/small/1053513-Royalty-Free-Vector-Clip-Art-Illustration-Of-An-Ouch-Comic-Burst-3.jpg

Ok what ever you say

[senior citizen]

Gracie, cholesterol is absolutely diet related, from what we have read (and that's a lot) genetics have less to do with it then we are led to believe, now don't start hammering me on that statement.

I can support it.

In certain countries the norm is 90-120, here we are led to believe as U just stated that <200 is good, it's not.

The target s/b <150, Dr. Esseltyn claims no one with a cholesterol below has had clogged arteries.

R your cholesterol levels with or without meds?

Ours range 130-135 no meds.

I do believe that everyone processes their foods differently.
Some can eat junk food their entire life and live to a ripe old age.
Some can do everything right.......and succumb way too early.
It's complicated.

A close female cousin "inlaw" is as skinny as they come, DOES NOT eat junk food........eats lightly of very healthy rabbit foods and lean protein. She's had high blood pressure and high cholesterol since being diagnosed at about age 30 while carrying her first child.

This diagnosis encouraged her to be even more rigid in her food choices and upped the exercise routine. She's naturally lean and very thin.

Doctors even put her on many different anxiety meds for the variety of symptoms her entire life.

Long story short, a few years ago they replaced her mitral valve during open heart surgery..........her blood pressure is STILL HIGH.* She's still skinny as they come........is on coumadin (blood thinner) for LIFE.

Still loves the veggies and fruits.......but has to watch the consumption of naturally blood thinning veggies , of which there are quite a few.
ditto for cranberries...........so, her surgery became a double edged sword.

Her cholesterol remains high no matter what she does.

How is this explained????

Everyone's physical body is different.

It took our cousin thirty years to get an accurate diagnosis of mitral valve prolapse........in trying to repair the original valve, they accidently broke the heart strings??? and had to put in a artificial valve .......she had hoped for a lamb's valve but they gave her the metal one; I'm thinking titanium but that probably isn't correct.

Anyway, the "leaflets" of the heart valve were faulty and causing all of her health problems over the years.......but most doctors chalked it up to female anxiety..........however, again, with all the doctoring, they cannot get her blood pressure under control. Just the way her body is.....no matter what she eats or doesn't consume........and believe me, this lady is very self disciplined and rigid in her food choices.

Her main symptom used to be the feeling of "an elephant on my chest".
She even asked the surgeons if she had overdone the exercising.......
they didn't think so.

[2BNTV]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[senior citizen]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Well, air popped popcorn would be acceptable, correct?????
Obviously, no butter and no salt.

Are you saying that this thread has run it's course?

Or, perhaps, that optional viewpoints are not tolerated?

Many folks believe that moderation is the best way to go vs. rigid avoidance.

Believe me, I do understand the dietary preferences of the younger crowd these days and when preparing for a large family reunion, make sure to have all the fruits and veggies and non meat dishes I can think of.........the number of those who partake of this vegatarianism has grown.........but then, I also prepare good old comfort foods for those who just enjoy life and enjoy a special treat...........and who look forward to the typical holiday fare from the good old days.

So, bring on the popcorn. Another friend of ours died at age 50 of a massive heart attack....while sitting in his reclining chair. He had survived one before but his wife insisted he walk around the high school track every day.............they came home to find him deceased.

Same lady who brought a slice of "low fat cheese" to go on his "low fat hot dog" which she brought in her purse. We all know those low fat foods aren't necessarily what they appear to be...........poor guy died anyway. He could have enjoyed one last grilled hot dog, the regular way.
We went to the funeral a few days later. So, moral of story, substituting low fat food when one already has heart disease, doesn't always work. I know. You will say her choice in food was bad; I agree.

But it was a big deal to them at the time.

One happy thought..........the young children of today DO INDEED KNOW HOW TO MAKE HEALTHY FOOD SELECTIONS.......we see it in our grandchildren.

[jimbo2012]

Well, air popped popcorn would be acceptable, correct?????
Obviously, no butter and no salt.

No butter correct, but salt is ok.

Are you saying that this thread has run it's course?

Not by a long shot, some folks can't handle the truth or don't wish to read the scientific proof.

like

A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth" - YouTube

[senior citizen]

No butter correct, but salt is ok.



Not by a long shot, some folks can't handle the truth or don't wish to read the scientific proof.

like

A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo)


Well, I'm tolerant of all viewpoints. There isn't only one right way to anything. Anyone who lives long enough can tell you that.

In the bigger scheme of things, the healthiest person in the world could get swept up by a tornado spawned by this new tropical storm which will soon hit the Panhandle of Florida..........we just saw on the news how Debby has flooded Sarasota and caused deaths south of Tampa, etc.

Everyone stay safe.

The weird part of it all, is that we saw Ginger Zee (?) on ABC weekend news.......first she said that it was heading towards Texas.........(whereas we saw the radar seemingly going toward the Gulf Coast of Florida).

Then, Sunday evening, she changed her direction and said the tropical storm would hit the panhandle.

I wonder if people in Sarasota, etc.had adequate warning?
Even Cedar Key looks pretty bad and it's not in the direct eye of the storm.

Again, stay safe. As my dear old mom would say......"When your number is up, your number is up". She passed at 91. According to her internist who was a close friend and neighbor.......after doing extensive tests on her at the hospital......."Your mom has the heart, lungs, bones, etc. of a much younger woman". She was in perfect health.....ultimately Alzheimers came along....at the end. Now, no one will like to hear this, but even the nurses would say that when the body gets that frail and you no longer can take care of yourself........perhaps death is a blessing.
It's not to be feared. Anyone who has visited skilled nursing homes will agree that living longer isn't always as wonderful as it's cracked up to be.

Age sneaks up on everyone.............no matter what we do or don't do.

By the way, mom NEVER took all those Fosamax and Boniva and she did walk every day on ice and snow.......sometimes fell.....NEVER broke a bone; never ended up in the hospital for any type of surgery.......never got cancer.........never had a heart attack........she always wondered if she'd live to 95 like my grandmother did. That's another lady that ate everything.......obviously in those days, food was not "supersized".

I still say it's genetics. Our life path is written out in our D.N.A.

Stay safe in the event of tornados caused by that storm Debby.
Take care.............seriously.

p.s. I also think a jolly , accepting personality , not an uptight worrisome over every little morsel of food type, will help one live longer......plus being kind to people.......and meditating or praying every day to still the mind......is the right path.

If everyone was exactly the same, how boring would it be?

[senior citizen]

A directory of athletes and other sports professionals who have died. (http://www.deadathletes.com/)



Death knows no age.......look at the athletes aged 20 to 29 who died prematurely.



Plus the next age level........and beyond. The varying reasons are also mentioned......many 20 years olds got cancer.......



We've all lived longer than some others we know.............

my childhood best friend passed away at age 39 from Systemic Lupus..........it had nothing to do with her diet.

[pooh]

Well, I'm tolerant of all viewpoints. There isn't only one right way to anything. Anyone who lives long enough can tell you that.

In the bigger scheme of things, the healthiest person in the world could get swept up by a tornado spawned by this new tropical storm which will soon hit the Panhandle of Florida..........we just saw on the news how Debby has flooded Sarasota and caused deaths south of Tampa, etc.

Everyone stay safe.

The weird part of it all, is that we saw Ginger Zee (?) on ABC weekend news.......first she said that it was heading towards Texas.........(whereas we saw the radar seemingly going toward the Gulf Coast of Florida).

Then, Sunday evening, she changed her direction and said the tropical storm would hit the panhandle.

I wonder if people in Sarasota, etc.had adequate warning?
Even Cedar Key looks pretty bad and it's not in the direct eye of the storm.

Again, stay safe. As my dear old mom would say......"When your number is up, your number is up". She passed at 91. According to her internist who was a close friend and neighbor.......after doing extensive tests on her at the hospital......."Your mom has the heart, lungs, bones, etc. of a much younger woman". She was in perfect health.....ultimately Alzheimers came along....at the end. Now, no one will like to hear this, but even the nurses would say that when the body gets that frail and you no longer can take care of yourself........perhaps death is a blessing.
It's not to be feared. Anyone who has visited skilled nursing homes will agree that living longer isn't always as wonderful as it's cracked up to be.

Age sneaks up on everyone.............no matter what we do or don't do.

By the way, mom NEVER took all those Fosamax and Boniva and she did walk every day on ice and snow.......sometimes fell.....NEVER broke a bone; never ended up in the hospital for any type of surgery.......never got cancer.........never had a heart attack........she always wondered if she'd live to 95 like my grandmother did. That's another lady that ate everything.......obviously in those days, food was not "supersized".

I still say it's genetics. Our life path is written out in our D.N.A.

Stay safe in the event of tornados caused by that storm Debby.
Take care.............seriously.

p.s. I also think a jolly , accepting personality , not an uptight worrisome over every little morsel of food type, will help one live longer......plus being kind to people.......and meditating or praying every day to still the mind......is the right path.

If everyone was exactly the same, how boring would it be?

Enjoyed your post, SC, thank you!

[Barefoot]

Age sneaks up on everyone.............no matter what we do or don't do. I still say it's genetics. Our life path is written out in our D.N.A.

I also think a jolly , accepting personality , not an uptight worrisome over every little morsel of food type, will help one live longer......plus being kind to people.......and meditating or praying every day to still the mind......is the right path.

:thumbup: I totally agree. Hats off to S.C. for a great post. :ho:

[senior citizen]

Pooh, your comments make sense to me. I also think that laughter, loving life, and having a positive attitude have a lot to do with good health.


Both Barefoot and Pooh's comments also make sense to me.

Obviously, we've all witnessed the longevity of loved ones who did NOT follow a vegan diet, but DID eat a lot of natural foods and veggies in their day , which was pre processed foods era..........and I can say for mine, that besides following what is now called the MEDITERRANEAN DIET, that they also had a strong faith in some mysterious guidance from above........so perhaps, ultimately, not worrying or nit picking over every little thing, might also contribute to a longer life.

By the time my own mother was in her 60's, retiring at age 62, she told me that "All the things I worried about never came to be".........so her new philosophy was not to worry about anything.........she passed at 91.

I would think that would include worrying about prolonging one's life span on earth............she always said, "When your number's up, your number's up". She died on my dad's birthday, having outlived three husbands.

Obviously, she had married "older men".

She ate everything from all the food groups, but according to her internist, she was in excellent health as far as all her major organs and bones, etc............Alzheimers was the cruel "long goodbye"......

When we'd visit the Alzheimers unit, at the end of her life, we could see it spared no one........there were teachers, engineers, regular folks and highly intelligent (at one time) folks, as their families would tell us.

One could have the healthiest body.......and then the brain is destroyed insidiously. The "end" is not a pretty sight. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Just saying, you could have the healthiest perfect body and something else can sneak into your life...........

Better to just enjoy life and not worry about it all, or prolonging it, etc.

[jimbo2012]

What R U doing tomorrow morning?

Maybe you folks should take in a movie here (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/clubs-villages-click-here-76/healthy-choice-club-6-27-a-55399/)

[ilovetv]

"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing."

--Redd Foxx

Read more at Redd Foxx Quotes - BrainyQuote (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/redd_foxx.html#)

[ssmith]

I just wanted to add something that has been implied but not well known. As I understand it, most of us have cancer cells forming every day. The issue is whether our body can take care of it or not. That is why it is so important to eat those lovely plant based foods...to put our body in the best situation to fight off these cancers. For example, mushrooms are known to fight the blood supply to these cancers. Now mushrooms are not the only plant based food that does that so a person who does not like mushrooms could use another vegetable to do it.

It just seems that everyone thinks that they won't get cancer when they could already have cancer cells but the difference would be wether their body is in optimal shape nutrition -wise to get rid of it.

PS I am not a nutritionist and often wonder at how much we really don't know yet about our bodies!!!!

Also sorry to add to this very long thread that I think may have run it's course.

[senior citizen]

I just wanted to add something that has been implied but not well known. As I understand it, most of us have cancer cells forming every day. The issue is whether our body can take care of it or not. That is why it is so important to eat those lovely plant based foods...to put our body in the best situation to fight off these cancers. For example, mushrooms are known to fight the blood supply to these cancers. Now mushrooms are not the only plant based food that does that so a person who does not like mushrooms could use another vegetable to do it.

It just seems that everyone thinks that they won't get cancer when they could already have cancer cells but the difference would be wether their body is in optimal shape nutrition -wise to get rid of it.

PS I am not a nutritionist and often wonder at how much we really don't know yet about our bodies!!!!

Also sorry to add to this very long thread that I think may have run it's course.

Excellent post and new "food for thought".

I've heard about this theory for approximately the past 25 years and always found it interesting, to say the least.

Some folks might even add, "If the cancer cells that are floating around in all of our bodies NEVER GET DETECTED"........say by super early screening for instance...........we'd be none the wiser.....or worried over it for quite some time.........and ultimately would not succumb to the harmful side effects of the radiation and chemo treatments....which even doctors admit are harmful to healthy tissue, etc. as well as beneficial in attacking the malignancies.........look at Robin Roberts who admitted that her present blood condition was caused by her breast cancer treatment.

Just food for thought. Robin is one classy brave lady; I hope all goes well for her with the bone marrow transplant.......I've known two separate ladies who underwent the same procedure in the past year; who passed away anyway. Not to be morose, but it's just buying time. However, what is the quality of life if the chemicals administered initially wreak havoc on healthy cells and body parts?

It really is a dilemma of modern medicine. There is no easy answer.
I'm quoting this from doctors I know. An oncologist's life must be very difficult.

[jimbo2012]

I think Gracie (like myself) is trying to figure out the benefits and drawbacks of a veggie diet, and trying to figure out what that type of lifestyle would look like.


I'll ask what benefits would you like to achieve?, maybe then I can answer better.

Also are you concerned of any drawback?

Barefoot I realized you never replied to your question.

[Villages PL]

Well, I'm tolerant of all viewpoints. There isn't only one right way to anything. Anyone who lives long enough can tell you that.

Living "long enough"? How long is that? And what about health? In addition to "life expectancy" there's such a thing as "health expectancy".

In the bigger scheme of things, the healthiest person in the world could get swept up by a tornado spawned by this new tropical storm which will soon hit the Panhandle of Florida..........we just saw on the news how Debby has flooded Sarasota and caused deaths south of Tampa, etc.

Everyone stay safe.

The weird part of it all, is that we saw Ginger Zee (?) on ABC weekend news.......first she said that it was heading towards Texas.........(whereas we saw the radar seemingly going toward the Gulf Coast of Florida).

Then, Sunday evening, she changed her direction and said the tropical storm would hit the panhandle.

I wonder if people in Sarasota, etc.had adequate warning?
Even Cedar Key looks pretty bad and it's not in the direct eye of the storm.

Would you please start a new thread for "weather talk".

Again, stay safe. As my dear old mom would say......"When your number is up, your number is up". She passed at 91. According to her internist who was a close friend and neighbor.......after doing extensive tests on her at the hospital......."Your mom has the heart, lungs, bones, etc. of a much younger woman". She was in perfect health.....ultimately Alzheimers came along....at the end. Now, no one will like to hear this, but even the nurses would say that when the body gets that frail and you no longer can take care of yourself........perhaps death is a blessing.
It's not to be feared. Anyone who has visited skilled nursing homes will agree that living longer isn't always as wonderful as it's cracked up to be.

Death is not to be feared but needless (debilitating) degenerative diseases can be avoided in most cases.

Age sneaks up on everyone.............no matter what we do or don't do.

Aging is a very slow deterioration of one's health and that's what makes it possible for many to continue their addiction to junk foods. If they can't detect the harm in the short run they assume that no harm is done.

By the way, mom NEVER took all those Fosamax and Boniva and she did walk every day on ice and snow.......sometimes fell.....NEVER broke a bone; never ended up in the hospital for any type of surgery.......never got cancer.........never had a heart attack........she always wondered if she'd live to 95 like my grandmother did. That's another lady that ate everything.......obviously in those days, food was not "supersized".

And your point is? We should all trust in "dumb luck"?

I still say it's genetics. Our life path is written out in our D.N.A.

The point of living a healthy livestyle is: To make the most of whatever genes we have. Genes can be turned on or off by lifestyle choices. It must be sad for those who go around thinking we are at the mercy of our genes.

Stay safe in the event of tornados caused by that storm Debby.
Take care.............seriously.

Oh, okay.

p.s. I also think a jolly , accepting personality , not an uptight worrisome over every little morsel of food type, will help one live longer......plus being kind to people.......and meditating or praying every day to still the mind......is the right path.

Yes, people shouldn't get uptight and feel threatened when science indicates that lifestyle does make a difference in health and longevity.

If everyone was exactly the same, how boring would it be?

Translation: Eat junk food in moderation; everyone has a different idea of what moderation means, so everyone will be happy with their different amounts of various junk foods.

[Villages PL]

Not true to the last sentence. Mainly I was discussing chemicals and pharmaceuticals, etc. .............at least that is how I started out.......
one thing did lead to another.

The athletic types I mentioned were doctors and high powered corporate owners (engineers)........two of these men cycled all over Europe plus within the U.S.........they were extremely thin and were vegans.
They ate brown rice, veggies, no oil......seeds and nuts, natural stuff.
I doubt if they ate a lot of baked goods as their wives did not bake; if they did it would be some healthy bread.

When you say "high powered corporate owners" who "cycled all over Europe" you're proving my point. They sound like "type A" personalities who overdo everything. Cycling all over Europe and the U.S. is not necessarily a good thing. Over exercising is an unhealthy addiction for some people.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about HEALTHY people who did everything RIGHT and still died of cancer. I do believe it was in their genetics. They were non smokers and from what I could tell, at our parties, etc. or dinner, non drinkers.

Over exercising is not my idea of doing everything "RIGHT". Who ever said it was? They tested the limits of their endurance and the result was harmful. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses and they found their weakness. Over exercising can raise cortisol levels in the blood and increase oxidative stress.

It's a complicated subject for sure.

I agree. But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

[lightworker888]

Just came across this article that I thought had an interesting point regarding this discussion. It relates to the problems with really getting the facts "straight" and how conclusions from trials are often skewed and misleading. I thought it was worth reading if you are interested in this dietary discussion.

I am really pleased with Publix availability of grass-fed beef. The store seems to be really doing its best to make "good" food available for those who are interested in having it. Wish Canada had a publix chain. We have to search out the conscientious farmers, who fortunately for us are quite available in our area.

We have lots of Mennonite farmers at the market and a local long-horned beef farmer who sells delicious fillets @ $12 a pound from a freezer in his garage and all the other cuts @$5. We just finished a fabulous asparagus season which had us eating just asparagus and salad for dinner! Wish the local season was longer than 3 weeks.

Can Red Meat be Part of a Healthy Diet? (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/28/grass-fed-beef-a-healthy-diet.aspx)

LW888

[jimbo2012]

Do U really think he is as qualified as other doctors who have done their own research on the effects of diet and your health, he is an osteopathic physician, also known as a DO.

He is an entrepreneur first, selling hundreds of products, a red flag IMO.

His article was not his own it is a collage of others some 5 years old here (http://media.mercola.com/imageserver/public/grass-fed-beef-a-healthy-diet.pdf), he himself does no research or clinical trials of any kind.

"Mercola has received two warnings from the FDA for marketing nutritional products in a manner which violated the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act".

Here's an article on Quackwatch (http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html) about him.


You decide who in the medical field you wish to follow.

Your mileage may vary.

[lightworker888]

I guess if Quackwatch is your criteria, we definitely move in and see the world through very different lenses and resonate with very different things. For me science isn't my main criteria and neither is logic as I have found so many situations that defy both. That being said, each person must decide for him/herself and use whatever criteria feels right for him/her. And I don't believe that there is a one size fits all but rather versions of many, that at different points in a journey, will feel right. And probably each diet has been OK, at some point, for some people, for some time, for some reason. And I'm not the one to tell anyone what will work for them at this point in their journey. I have enough challenge choosing what works for me and I just thought that my comments might resonate with some people and above all I choose moderation in all things.

I think I have said enough on this subject so I'll free up the soapbox.

LW888

[pooh]

I guess if Quackwatch is your criteria, we definitely move in and see the world through very different lenses and resonate with very different things. For me science isn't my main criteria and neither is logic as I have found so many situations that defy both. That being said, each person must decide for him/herself and use whatever criteria feels right for him/her. And I don't believe that there is a one size fits all but rather versions of many, that at different points in a journey, will feel right. And probably each diet has been OK, at some point, for some people, for some time, for some reason. And I'm not the one to tell anyone what will work for them at this point in their journey. I have enough challenge choosing what works for me and I just thought that my comments might resonate with some people and above all I choose moderation in all things.

I think I have said enough on this subject so I'll free up the soapbox.

LW888
I've enjoyed your calm, well thought out response LW. Any study reported, whether in the news, in a book, can, and is most likely flawed. Researchers emphasize what THEY want to be shown. Forks Over Knives is constantly brought up as something we should all watch. In this documentary, the facts can be misleading in instances. Science is my thing, LW......and so far, no diet is perfect. Until that perfect eating plan is shown, we must all do what is best for each of us, as you've suggested. NOTHING in this world is absolute....;)

[jimbo2012]

Not my criteria at all, that site just summarized his credentials as of 2012.

That info may resonate with some people.

He's a entrepreneur first than a (doctor) DO

There is more than one way to accomplish being healthy, but the theme of this thread is vegan and vegetarian.

[jimbo2012]

Forks Over Knives is constantly brought up as something we should all watch. In this documentary, the facts can be misleading in instances.

U know that someone would ask which facts do U think R misleading?

[lightworker888]

Absolutely, Pooh!

[pooh]

U know that someone would ask which facts do U think R misleading?
:icon_wink::icon_wink:

Quick response ..... "studies" did not include other groups of people living in spite of diets higher in fats, meats, than considered ideal ..... African tribes ingesting lots of meat, Artic peoples eating lots of fat.

Recognize please that I am not suggesting that plant foods don't have a place in a good diet and good health. Minimizing the amount of sugar, saturated fat and over eating will do lots to improve how we feel and hopefully, how well we age. Making broad statements and correlations based on relatively little data doesn't make it absolute fact, in this case and in many other scientific research endeavors.
I probably could give you more if you like, but won't tonight. We're heading home from a short visit to Chicago and I don't have the energy to argue. Quick, someone give me a carrot.....:icon_wink:

Nite, Jimbo.

[senior citizen]

Just came across this article that I thought had an interesting point regarding this discussion. It relates to the problems with really getting the facts "straight" and how conclusions from trials are often skewed and misleading. I thought it was worth reading if you are interested in this dietary discussion.

I am really pleased with Publix availability of grass-fed beef. The store seems to be really doing its best to make "good" food available for those who are interested in having it. Wish Canada had a publix chain. We have to search out the conscientious farmers, who fortunately for us are quite available in our area.

We have lots of Mennonite farmers at the market and a local long-horned beef farmer who sells delicious fillets @ $12 a pound from a freezer in his garage and all the other cuts @$5. We just finished a fabulous asparagus season which had us eating just asparagus and salad for dinner! Wish the local season was longer than 3 weeks.

Can Red Meat be Part of a Healthy Diet? (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/28/grass-fed-beef-a-healthy-diet.aspx)

LW888

We have Mennonites up this way as well......and they do try to present the purest foods, baked goods, meats, veggies, etc.

There is a distinct difference in the free range chickens and grass fed beef.

Below, I'm quoting something from your hyperlink above.

I've experienced it myself firsthand and was given erroneous facts by the lady butcher, only to be told the truth, believe it or not, by the male butcher at Price Chopper.

When I mentioned to her, as she was putting new meat into the supermarket cases, that the packages of kielbasi looked BLACK, she told me it was a specialty item. I mentioned that my husband was Polish and I'd never heard of black kielbasi before, etc...........I told her it looked rotten. She went into the back; the head butcher then said that the packages must have been punctured to allow the gas to escape, turning it black........yuck. Makes one wonder what they do to other meats that turn black or go bad.

I remember thinking that I felt sorry for someone who was either color blind or very elderly with poor eyesight.......that early in the morning, when Price Chopper shuts off most of their lighting, a person could be duped into buying rotten meat. They also shut off their freezers at night or raise them to the HIGHEST level to save electricity........not so good for the quality of the food we purchase.

Lately, the past number of years , we buy very little meat from our local supermarkets.......preferring the irradiated and flash frozen beef from Omaha Steaks or Kansas City Steaks. We don't eat that much meat to begin with......so better to have it flash frozen right after slaughter than wonder how long it's been sitting around the supermarket...........

People forget that their grandparents and great grandparents ate more of the peasant foods.......which are now again in vogue......such as delicious lentils with rice, lentil soup, pasta fagioli (beans and pasta), home made pea soup (need a ham bone for the best flavor).......and on and on.

They didn't even realize they were eating "health foods" back then.
As a kid, spinach or escarole in the bean soup was a common thing.
I loved spinach, etc. and all greens. Try to give your grandkids that today. But, they all love salsa, which is now considered a vegetable.
Go figure.

Decayed Meat Treated with Carbon Monoxide to Make it Look Fresh...

Additionally, many of the methods employed to make food "safer" actually deepen rather than solve them. Take so-called atmospheric packaging, for example. You might not be aware that more than 70 percent of all beef and chicken in the United States, Canada and other countries is treated with poisonous carbon monoxide gas, which can make seriously decayed meat look fresh for weeks!
Although carbon monoxide is a gas that can be fatal when inhaled, the meat industry insists that it is not harmful to human health when ingested via atmospheric packaging, which utilizes carbon monoxide gas to extend the shelf life and resist spoilage. Whatever the truth of that may be, eating spoiled meat is not going to do your health any favors...
According to Currentxi (wlmailhtml:{B3A85C5A-C4A4-4744-8B60-6AC8D4B3C591}mid://00000048/!x-usc:http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/28/#_edn1):
"C. perfringens bacteria, the third-most-common cause of food-borne illness, has been proven to grow on what is considered fresh meat ... about half of the fresh meat products [tested for these bacteria] are positive despite them being within the expiry period. One hundred percent of ... these cases come from packagers who adopted atmospheric packaging methods such as the use of carbon monoxide gas".

[jimbo2012]

Do you know what’s really in that beef you’re eating with so much delight? It’s definitely not your normal red meat what I’m talking about, it’s something way more than that – it’s called ‘pink slime’!

ABC News released a shocking story about a disgusting substance being incorporated in about 70% of ground beef sold in the U.S. This dangerous substance called Pink slime is known to contain ammonia and was used as an ingredient for dog food and cooking oil sometime back. Ammonia is used in it to remove its side effects and bacteria on humans.

Pink Slime In 70% Of Ground Beef In U.S. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zFqfReT6BIU#t=0s)


Pink Slime: When In Doubt, Do Not Eat!

From the ground beef you buy at the grocery store, to the hamburger you’re eating at your favorite restaurant, all of it contains at least a little bit of pink slime. And up until now, you probably didn’t even know because there is absolutely no labeling on the meat’s packaging indicating so.
Manufacturers, food processors, caterers, and have meat scraps after trimming and shaping their cuts. They’ve devised some ways to skirt around the issue of unused cuts of meat by using meat glue to bind the disparate snippets back together again.
• Makes “steaks” out of glued together meat chunks
• Makes imitation crab meat, chicken nuggets, and fish balls
• Creates reconstituted steaks, fillets, roasts, and cutlets

Restaurants are where you are most likely to consume meat glue, there are no laws requiring chefs to disclose the use of 'meat glue', a kitchen trick.

According to cattle rancher Nigel Tudor, the expensive “fillet steaks” sold in many American food stores are actually made up of scraps of beef held together by the enzymetransglutaminase. Known in the industry as “meat glue,” this white powder is derived from the clotting agents in pigs’ and cows’ blood.

Major pizza chains buy the additive for toppings including pepperoni, Italian sausage, bacon crumble and salami, Supermarket-brand roasts, sausages, kabobs, hams, poultry pieces, pork, beef and many high-end-appearing cuts of beef and pork contain it as well.

[graciegirl]

I think that pink slime is a very yucky name and I think it was invented to sell stories....in part. I read that it is meat, a derivitive, really, and not harmful to consume. It sure gave me pause. Who wants to eat anything called pink slime????

We used egg growing up to make our meat balls and salmon patties and meat loaf "stick together". I guess it could be called meat glue. Broth of any kind started out as blood, extremely distasteful to dwell on.

There are those who think meat is harmful to consume. I think too much meat in your overall diet isn't too good for you.Especially the fat part.

Something not mentioned often, but a question asked by oncologists is how much meat do you consume from an open grill. Smoke from burnt grease is a carcinogen.

All things in moderation.

bump

[jimbo2012]

All things in moderation.

Yes, a moderate amount of disease.

Yes, a moderate amount of plaque in your arteries.

Yes, a moderate amount of diabetes.

Yes, a moderate amount of stents.

Yes, a moderate amount of cancer.

Yes, a moderate amount of meds.

Yes, a moderate amount of being over weight.

Yes, a moderate amount of pink slime.

Yes, a moderate amount of ..........

As of March These are among the stores that sell store-ground meat with pink slime, according to The Daily:

Target
BJ’s
Hy-Vee
Walmart
Albertsons
Stop & Shop
Zaycon Foods

[senior citizen]

Do you know what’s really in that beef you’re eating with so much delight? It’s definitely not your normal red meat what I’m talking about, it’s something way more than that – it’s called ‘pink slime’!

ABC News released a shocking story about a disgusting substance being incorporated in about 70% of ground beef sold in the U.S. This dangerous substance called Pink slime is known to contain ammonia and was used as an ingredient for dog food and cooking oil sometime back. Ammonia is used in it to remove its side effects and bacteria on humans.

Pink Slime In 70% Of Ground Beef In U.S. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zFqfReT6BIU#t=0s)


Pink Slime: When In Doubt, Do Not Eat!

From the ground beef you buy at the grocery store, to the hamburger you’re eating at your favorite restaurant, all of it contains at least a little bit of pink slime. And up until now, you probably didn’t even know because there is absolutely no labeling on the meat’s packaging indicating so.
Manufacturers, food processors, caterers, and have meat scraps after trimming and shaping their cuts. They’ve devised some ways to skirt around the issue of unused cuts of meat by using meat glue to bind the disparate snippets back together again.
• Makes “steaks” out of glued together meat chunks
• Makes imitation crab meat, chicken nuggets, and fish balls
• Creates reconstituted steaks, fillets, roasts, and cutlets

Restaurants are where you are most likely to consume meat glue, there are no laws requiring chefs to disclose the use of 'meat glue', a kitchen trick.

According to cattle rancher Nigel Tudor, the expensive “fillet steaks” sold in many American food stores are actually made up of scraps of beef held together by the enzymetransglutaminase. Known in the industry as “meat glue,” this white powder is derived from the clotting agents in pigs’ and cows’ blood.

Major pizza chains buy the additive for toppings including pepperoni, Italian sausage, bacon crumble and salami, Supermarket-brand roasts, sausages, kabobs, hams, poultry pieces, pork, beef and many high-end-appearing cuts of beef and pork contain it as well.

You are definitely correct regarding the restaurants (most use pre processed foods and truthfully, one can cook better at home).....and you are also correct about the processed meats and stuff on pizza, in cold cuts, etc. However, now there are great veggie and artisan pizzas where you can opt out of the pepperoni as the one and only topping.
We just had some that didn't even have the typical cheese, just a bit of feta....spinach, garlic, onions...peppers, etc. Nice thin crust. Even these pizza places are "changing" to "go with the flow" of consumers' ever changing dietary preferences.

As others have said........all things in moderation.

Our supermarket claims they now have removed all pink slime.
People were in an uproar.......so the stores had no choice.

Omaha Steaks tells me that THEY HAVE NO PINK SLIME in their angus burgers or any of their burgers........they say they are totally made from the trimmings of their steaks........they are known for their filet mignons and other top steaks. Personally, I couldn't care if I never had a steak again.........but we do have family members who enjoy them.

When one is living alone like a hermit with no one to cook for but themselves.........then they can eat whatever they choose.

However, when they live with a partner or have a family, or a family that visits them....friends that visit them...........then they have to accomodate everyone's tastes...........all of us have had to be flexible with various family and friends' food preferences in the past possibly twenty years........prior to that, people just ate and had a good time.

It wasn't until the past two decades or so that people began comparing their cholesterol, their blood sugar levels, etc. and opting out of various foods........which they are all free to do. I can't remember any of my dad's sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles saying, "No thank you to that canoli"...."Better stay away from that meatball"......."I'm going to pass on that lasagna"..........they just ate it. These people all lived into their 90's...........95, 97.......many in their late 80's, 86, etc. 87. You have to go sometime. Now, we have to be so careful to honor everyone's dietary needs. I have no problem doing that in my home....however, it does get expensive when you have to make a myriad of different "dishes" in order to please everyone's health needs.

Maybe this is why dining out in a restaurant, choosing from a menu, rather than the "party giver" being responsible for choosing multiple options for the multiple guests invited.......really. It gets expensive.

However, I doubt if EVERYONE would want to eat sprouts and beans and brown rice for a "party" or a "wedding" or a "4th of July celebration.
We always offer fruit platters, veggie platters, green salads, etc. in additon to poultry, seafood and beef, pork ribs, etc. No one forces anyone to eat anything.........and everyone has a good time.

Last year we had visitors from the Netherlands. Their children LOVED the caprese salad.....which is simply large sliced beefsteak tomatoes, layered in a circle with Buffalo mozarella slices...fresh basil leaves and drizzled if they wish with Balsamic vinegar.......French baguette slices served alongside..........(or italian bread)......the vegetarians in the group devoured the Caprese Salad, making little sandwiches of them.....these were adults. The little kids love the RAW VEGGIES.....but they have to have ranch dip. Everyone loves the tropical fruit platters......I'd say everyone we know "eats in moderation" but still enjoys a burger or hot dog on the grill..........especially barbecued ribs on the grill.........and we do not grill that often to be worried about carcinogens up here.

Thankfully, we don't have smoke stack industries nor lots of car and truck exhaust fumes......which would be more worrisome than grilling a few times a summer.

For lunch, I'm making hubby a big green tossed salad with red wine vinegar / olive oil (lots of crunchy veggies) plus will saute a heap of slivered fresh GARLIC in olive oil to toss with boiled angel hair pasta.
I like the kind that comes in "nests".

This dish, made with linguini, is what the streetwalkers would prepare when they came in late at night (in Italy).........so I've read.

If you are a garlic lover, it's yummy..........and meatless. Just don't drown it in olive oil.....just a light glistening coat.......but lots of sauteed garlic. I add black pepper, a touch of salt and some dried basil. Garlic has sulphur in it and is considered by many to have the power to kill bacteria , etc. Raw garlic also works when you have the first inkling of a cold or sore throat. It just zaps it away.

Garlic also keeps the vampires away.

[graciegirl]

Pink slime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime)

Not used in Canada.

AND Senior Citizen....Does Mr. Senior Citizen know how lucky he is????

What a cook!

[senior citizen]

Pink slime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime)

Not used in Canada.

AND Senior Citizen....Does Mr. Senior Citizen know how lucky he is????

What a cook!

I hope so Gracie. In three more years we'll be married fifty years.

I was just thinking, while folding laundry upstairs, that when we first moved to Vermont.........how different things were from New Jersey.

Down there EVERYONE PUT ON A BIG SPREAD for the holidays (Easter, Thanksgiving, Christmas, birthdays, anniversaries, graduations, engagements, etc.)

Maybe it was an "ethnic" thing or a "city" thing.

We were in alien territory when we moved up here. Small town living was great and it was a wonderful place to raise the children, so we adapted.

However, we had two factions (the third being the transplanted out of staters like ourselves).

First there were the salt of the earth long time residents whose roots went deep in Vermont...........then there were the Hippy types (it was early 1970) who were usually rich kids who went to colleges like Skidmore and others.....who turned their backs on their banker dads and middle class upbringing to "live off the land"..........they were total vegetarians and a lot of their food was tasty. One friend brought me a mushroom lasagna after I gave birth to our second child. She wasn't even Italian and it was very very good. She made her own ketchup from her garden and like the other hippies up here, was kind, friendly but "far out" in their political views..........they bought barns and converted them as living quarters......wore the bandannas on their head, bluejeans....definitely not the MAD MEN dresses we were used to, working in the city.

The long time country folk and "townies" were really experienced in putting up their garden of veggies for the winter, slaughtering the pigs they raised, the chickens they kept, etc.......and shooting the yearly deer for venison...........they also lived off the land.....as their forebears had before them.

Each couldn't have been so far apart in their world views nor in their food preferences.

The locals ate lots of HAM, lots of butter and cream, baked tons of pies and cakes. Lots of CRISCO for the icing on the cakes....I remember that. The hippies ate their home made granola and sprouts and veggies..........

Oh, the locals also had "exotic" foods like squirrel stew, possum stew, etc. which they'd bring up to hunting camp in the fall.

Guess what? The ones we knew are all still alive.....both the hippies and the hippy wannabee's.........and the good old boys and gals.......

However, the ones who ate the vegan type diet........are very wrinkled now, whereas the others have plumper and moister looking skin.

Go figure, right?

We've always known how "the other half" lives........and we've traveled all over this country. Everyone is different and that's the way it should remain........otherwise, it would be a pretty boring country. For those who say, "it's my way or the highway".......I think the hippies would tell them to chill out........if that's their own path...then follow it, but don't try to convert others......it won't work . For the life of me, I can't remember one hippy trying to force their lifestyle on us.

We know people who were born or raised out west on ranches.
Now, don't tell them not to eat a steak or "barbecue" or pulled pork.

Now, what really was weird was that I had to keep two wardrobes for my kids......one to "fit in" in town and one to go and visit the relatives in Jersey..............but we made the right choice in staying here to raise our family.......it was peaceful, everyone knows each other from cradle to the grave.......and I'd say they are pretty accepting folks. Vermonters and the neighboring states' residents are all very self sufficient people....as far as food growing, food preservation and putting up wood for the winter....and helping each other.

We have some pretty aged people........in town....100, 96, etc.
I still say it's good genes......it's in their D.N.A. They did keep an active MIND which is probably more important that eating or not eating this or that.

The ones who seem to be passing away at a younger age.......I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut they got on the medical bandwagon and "over medicated" with all the pharmaceuticals out there........whose side effects are worse than the disease or ailment itself.

First they tell you take "this" for your osteoporosis and in the next breath they tell you it can destroy your jawbone or break your thighbone.
It's very difficult for consumers to make decisions......and it doesn't pay to worry all the time about our health.

Just for fun and educational purposes, I'd like one of the vegans to give me a "menu" of sorts that he or she would serve to their visiting family at say Easter time or springtime or Christmas time, etc. or Thanksgiving.

Replace the Easter glazed spiral ham with "what?????"
Replace the candied yams with ? I like plain roasted sweet potatoes.
Replace the babka and sweet whipped butter with ????
Replace the lemon meringue pie with ????

A nice fruit salad would be acceptable; a crudite plate of raw veggies.
What about that ham? A lentil loaf?

Ditto for the Thanksgiving turkey, cornbread stuffing, sausage stuffing???? Mashed potatoes? Cranberry sauce is o.k........
No more green bean casserole? Pumpkin pie is o.k. Apple pie.

[jimbo2012]

You guys make me laugh to think we eat like that or have any food issues on holidays, happy hours or going out for dinner.

[Villages PL]

However, the ones who ate the vegan type diet........are very wrinkled now, whereas the others have plumper and moister looking skin.

For one thing, a lot of hippies are in love with sunbathing and, by doing so, they turn their skin to leather. For another, who said their diet was good? Not you! And not me! So what does all of this prove? Nothing, except to justify your current "moderation" diet. The others you mentioned have plumper better looking skin because they're fat! Older people who are fat generally don't have wrinkles because their fatness stretches out their skin. However, you don't have to be fat to pull that off. I'm very lean and unwrinkled.

For those who say, "it's my way or the highway".......I think the hippies would tell them to chill out........if that's their own path...then follow it, but don't try to convert others......it won't work . For the life of me, I can't remember one hippy trying to force their lifestyle on us.

Now, come on, get serious. You're insinuating that someone on this board has told you that "it's my way or the highway"? We give advice as to what we think is the best way to slow down the aging process. When people challenge it, as they usually do, we try to provide some scientific proof. You are still free to eat whatever you want. (Maybe your conscience is bothering you because you feel you're not eating as healthfully as you should .)

We have some pretty aged people........in town....100, 96, etc.
I still say it's good genes......it's in their D.N.A. They did keep an active MIND which is probably more important that eating or not eating this or that.

Every town has "some pretty aged people". How is that anything new?

[senior citizen]

I am coming to the scientific conclusion that a vegan diet adds to narrow mindedness and loss of a sense of humor.

I have only now just defined the problem.

I am gathering facts.


You read my mind Gracie...........

I do believe it also makes people argumentative and intolerant of others trying to explain their own viewpoint of how they've experienced the aging process in their own immediate environment.........

[Villages PL]

You read my mind Gracie...........

I do believe it also makes people argumentative and intolerant of others trying to explain their own viewpoint of how they've experienced the aging process in their own immediate environment.........

Perhaps what causes "intolerance" is when people throw around scientific terms that they can't back up. For example, you have said you believe everything is written in one's genes. The word "gene" is a scientific term that wouldn't exist if we didn't have science. But when there's no science to back up your statement, except anecdotes, it's plain to see that you're not talking science at all. If not science, what's left? Faith?

It's misleading and dishonest to use a scientific term when science is not what is believed in. I see no evidence whatsoever that you believe in science. It seems like what is believed in is faith-based predetermination.

[Villages PL]

When one is living alone like a hermit with no one to cook for but themselves.........then they can eat whatever they choose.

However, when they live with a partner or have a family, or a family that visits them....friends that visit them...........then they have to accomodate everyone's tastes...........all of us have had to be flexible with various family and friends' food preferences in the past possibly twenty years........prior to that, people just ate and had a good time.

The subject of this thread is: "Do you have a plan to 'defeat' or slow down aging?" The fact that you have to compromise because of a partner, family and friends is another issue.

[Barefoot]

You guys make me laugh to think we eat like that or have any food issues on holidays, happy hours or going out for dinner.

I would love to see two days worth of suggestions/recipes on what you consider healthy eating. And Jimbo, I mean that in a truly constructive and non-critical way.

I would love to be able to optimize my healthy eating habits, while still enjoying some yummy tastes, and hopefully, ease of preparation.

[jimbo2012]

That's bit too much typing, I'm thinking about doing a monthly seminar if I would get enough interest it.

But if that's doesn't happen you're invited for dinner. :beer3:

[jimbo2012]

Ok, for breakfast

Several options but there are plenty more

whole grain cereal post grape nuts or Kashi 7 whole grain with soy milk or almond milk, fruits on side or on top.

There are ways to make pancakes & waffles healthy.
Use whole wheat or rice flour add flax seed, Braggs nutritional yeast, no eggs no regular milk, but almond milk is fine.
100% pure maple syrup.

Ezekiel food for life bagels with humus or pure fruit jelly or jams sugar free.

also oatmeal not instant cooked in 3 minutes, maple syrup and fruit.

[BaylorBear]

Ok, for breakfast

Several options but there are plenty more

whole grain cereal post grape nuts or Kashi 7 whole grain with soy milk or almond milk, fruits on side or on top.

There are ways to make pancakes & waffles healthy.
Use whole wheat or rice flour add flax seed, Braggs nutritional yeast, no eggs no regular milk, but almond milk is fine.
100% pure maple syrup.

Ezekiel food for life bagels with humus or pure fruit jelly or jams sugar free.

also oatmeal not instant cooked in 3 minutes, maple syrup and fruit.

Jimbo, do you happen to have a recipe for the pancakes?? I would love to have it!!:wave:

[jimbo2012]

http://blog.fatfreevegan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/mcdougall-pancakes1.jpg

To be honest I don't have a clue what the recipe was, had to ask my better half.
I only know how to eat them.

1/2 cup Arrowhead Hills organic oat bran pancake mix
1 cup King Arther 100% whole wheat flour or buckwheat flour
1 tblesp Red mill golden flaxseed meal (egg re-placer)
1 tblesp Braggs nutritional yeast
1 cup + almond milk

Pour batter into hot non stick pan, no oil etc.
you can add blueberries or apple sauce to batter.

100% pure maple syrup as U wish.

coffee tea .....

U can make waffles with same

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Waffles_with_Strawberries.jpg/250px-Waffles_with_Strawberries.jpg

[pooh]

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[BaylorBear]

http://blog.fatfreevegan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/mcdougall-pancakes1.jpg

To be honest I don't have a clue what the recipe was, had to ask my better half.
I only know how to eat them.

1/2 cup Arrowhead Hills organic oat bran pancake mix
1 cup King Arther 100% whole wheat flour or buckwheat flour
1 tblesp Red mill golden flaxseed meal (egg re-placer)
1 tblesp Braggs nutritional yeast
1 cup + almond milk

Pour batter into hot non stick pan, no oil etc.
you can add blueberries or apple sauce to batter.

100% pure maple syrup as U wish.

coffee tea .....

U can make waffles with same

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Waffles_with_Strawberries.jpg/250px-Waffles_with_Strawberries.jpg

Thanks a bunch!! These sound yummy and look it too!:icon_hungry:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

In order to stop aging, I'm planning to die some day.

[graciegirl]

Here is an article that I found pretty much agreeable to my philosophy of a healthy diet and continued healthy lifestyle. I agree that extreme diets may not be easily sustainable and people lose their enthusiasm for them over time.

The 7 Habits of Highly Successful Eaters « Real Life Nutrition (http://blogs.webmd.com/food-and-nutrition/2012/06/the-7-habits-of-highly-successful-eaters.html)

I try to always prepare and serve our plates with the most part COLORFUL fruit and vegetables with small portions of meat or fish. (about four ounces before cooking for dinner, about two ounces or less for lunch.) I try to limit the fat in sauces. I try to avoid preserved lunch meats of any kind. I feel that we need some idodized salt to keep our thyroid functioning properly. High fat salty snacks aren't great for you either, we know that we can't just eat ONE potato chip.

I try to limit sweets to special times and not every day. I encourage a lot of water drinking. We drink milk and put it in our coffee...which I believe is good for you...Coffee and especially skim milk. There are very few fruits and vegetable that don't appear on our table on a regular basis and we know the difference between high starch vegetables and high fiber ones.

I am not concerned as much as some about food processing. The benefits of preservation in lack of spoilage are real. I try to prepare food "from scratch" as much as possible and am always a little sceptical about claims of produce being raised without insecticides etc. How can we really know? So I try not to worry about it. I favor fish and chicken over pork and beef as far as what I serve most. But I do prepare the red meats a couple of times a week. I don't worry about white flour but try to get whole grain bread most of the time. I also don't think that honey or maple syrup affect us any differently than brown or white sugar. Sugar is sugar. I think we don't need much in the way of carbohydrates in our diets.

I try to keep moving. I used to jog and now I walk. I used to play tennis and now I hope that the frequent golf kind of makes up for it a little. I clean my own house and pull weeds out of our beds and when it gets cooler I will mow the lawn again. I like to dance and I really need to start biking. But...I don't want to fall.

My Sweetie is always on the go and fixing things all around the house, planting stuff, dragging stuff around for me and he plays a lot of golf and walks with me. Our daughter walks in the house 30 minutes each morning. We are no longer in our fifties or sixties when we really moved a lot more.

We all blessedly at this point feel good and have good test results from our twice a year check ups.

I don't expect, or encourage or suggest anyone do anything like I do. This works for me and for us.

Most of us know what we are doing right or wrong.

[jimbo2012]

I like to dance and I really need to start biking. But...I don't want to fall..

U need your exercise

How about one of these for U & sweetie

http://www.blackbirdbikes.com/images/mark40a_001.jpg

or for 1

http://www.industrialbicycles.com/images/index.3.jpg

[Villages PL]

I try to always prepare and serve our plates with the most part COLORFUL fruit and vegetables with small portions of meat or fish. (about four ounces before cooking for dinner, about two ounces or less for lunch.) I try to limit the fat in sauces. I try to avoid preserved lunch meats of any kind. I feel that we need some idodized salt to keep our thyroid functioning properly. High fat salty snacks aren't great for you either, we know that we can't just eat ONE potato chip.

It's not my ideal diet but it sounds okay. About iodine: I used to think I needed iodized salt too. But then I found that onions are a good source of iodine. And other vegetables contain various amounts of iodine depending on the soil they are grown in. However, I have salt from the health-food store. It's unprocessed and has lots of natural minerals. I don't use very much though.

I try to limit sweets to special times and not every day. I encourage a lot of water drinking. We drink milk and put it in our coffee...which I believe is good for you...Coffee and especially skim milk. There are very few fruits and vegetable that don't appear on our table on a regular basis and we know the difference between high starch vegetables and high fiber ones.

Okay, except I don't understand why you think milk is good for you. If it's skim milk and just in your coffee, perhaps there's no harm done. I just hope you don't drink too much coffee. Coffee and milk add to the acid load on the body. If you eat eggs in the morning with buttered toast, and then coffee with milk, you have a meal that puts a very high acid load on the body.

I am not concerned as much as some about food processing. The benefits of preservation in lack of spoilage are real. I try to prepare food "from scratch" as much as possible and am always a little sceptical about claims of produce being raised without insecticides etc. How can we really know? So I try not to worry about it. I favor fish and chicken over pork and beef as far as what I serve most. But I do prepare the red meats a couple of times a week. I don't worry about white flour but try to get whole grain bread most of the time. I also don't think that honey or maple syrup affect us any differently than brown or white sugar. Sugar is sugar. I think we don't need much in the way of carbohydrates in our diets.

About insecticides: I don't worry about that either. Whatever amount it is, it's very minute and our liver takes care of filtering it out. About white flour: If whole grain is okay with you, why not get it all the time? About chicken and fish: Not bad if you stick to one serving about the size of the palm of your hand. About red meat: There were two articles in The Daily Sun about some research done at Harvard. The conclusion was that there's no safe amount of red meat. It was based an a very large long term study. About maple syrup and honey: Bravo! You got that exactly right. Sugar is sugar. And, yes, we "don't need much in the way of carbohydrates in our diets."

Most of us know what we are doing right or wrong.

I'm not so sure about that. I sometimes go to other websites where people ask questions about diet and nutrition. I am often amazed at how little people know about food. Most of what they do is based on habits passed down from their plarents. Or else they pick up bad habits from advertising or their friends, like juicing.

Most people are overweight and they say that about 80% of diets fail. If most people know what they're doing wrong, I don't think that would be the case.

[Figmo Bohica]

Remember the old saying: Wine, Women and Singing. Well, after years of research scientists have discovered that SINGING is the cause of old age. So I have quite singing.

[Villages PL]

Article in the Daily Sun: "Study red flags red meat consumption" by MCCLATCHY newspapers.

This study, by Harvard researchers, followed the health and eating habits of 110,000 adults for over 20 years.

One 3 oz. serving per day increased the risk of dying by 13% during the study.

Processed meat raised the risk by 20%. (i.e.,bacon, hot dogs, lunch meat etc.)

Any amount of red meat will increase your risk of mortality. That was the conclusion of this study by the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston.

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Soy Study: In Hawaii, 17,000 men were followed for 30+ years.

Conclusion: Regular tofu consumption in midlife and beyond, caused accelerated brain aging/atrophy. The subjects were tested periodically and were 71 to 93 when the final test was given.

The above study was reported by Roy Walford, M.D., in his book, "Beyond The 120 Year Diet". Walford was considered to be an expert in the field of gerontology. He didn't mention who did the study but said he thought it was a well done study. I don't think he was biased because he also mentioned a lot of good things about soy.

[senior citizen]

Remember the old saying: Wine, Women and Singing. Well, after years of research scientists have discovered that SINGING is the cause of old age. So I have quite singing.

Very very very cute !! May you live to a ripe old age. God Bless.
To me, a sense of humor and a jolly personality will extend your life.

Often we get mixed messages from all these fitness guru's out there.
Bob Harper, known for his work on the Biggest Loser, used to exclaim how his switch to the vegan diet plus his love of animals, etc. was the way to go.

I recently read his newest book on my Kindle..........

I was suprised to read he's now advocating protein and things he had not allowed prior...........again, mixed messages........although he does mention free range chickens and such.........lots of fish, etc.

We watched that Tarpon Springs Florida young man lose all the weight, down from 480 or so, down to the high 200's........a few days ago.
Other than the first segment showing him with a nutritionist that Bob Harper had chosen........they never really showed exactly what he ate every day for the ONE YEAR.............other than showing the extreme exercise of pushing or pulling that "sled"; I worried he would get a heart attack. Terrible. He should have been allowed to lose some of the weight first before exercising like that....of course,he was young.

Then, to have all that skin cut off.......

Getting back to Bob Harper.........

The new kindle book.....was quite different than his viewpoints in the past. It was still heavy on healthy foods, but he added back the fish and meat..........so I guess his life of being a vegan is over???????

He had interesting segments on which foods aggravate inflammation in the body (arthritis, etc.)

However, if you go to his OLD fitness articles, he is totally vegan.

Wonder why he now is on the meat bandwagon?
Book Description

Publication Date: May 15, 2012
THE LAST DIET BOOK YOU’LL EVER NEED

With so much conflicting weight-loss advice out there to confuse your efforts, it’s no wonder you haven’t been successful losing weight and keeping it off. But with Bob Harper, superstar trainer and co-host of NBC’s hit show The Biggest Loser as your personal authority and coach, you can and will finally shed the pounds—whether you want to lose two or two hundred!

Distilling Bob’s vast knowledge of nutrition, weight-loss strategy, and human nature down to twenty simple, nonnegotiable principles, The Skinny Rules will help you step away from a reliance on processed foods and the need for so much sweet and salt and step into a newly thin lifestyle. And Bob’s methods couldn’t be more straightforward.

Taking the guesswork out of implementing the Skinny Rules, Bob offers a month’s worth of menu plans and more than 90 delicious, rule-abiding recipes for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snacks to keep you cooking and eating skinny for life. You’ll be happily astounded to see the variety and volume of the tasty food on your plate! He also includes terrific tips for what to stock in your fridge and what to prepare every weekend in order to set yourself up for success during your too-busy-to-cook weekdays.

A virtual GPS to your weight-loss goals, The Skinny Rules takes the mystery out of the process, offering the fastest route to your skinny destination.

LOSING WEIGHT IS NOW AS SIMPLE AS 1-2-3 . . . AND 3-15-18-20 TOO!

Rule #3: Eat protein at every meal, making some kind of fish your go-to protein as often as you can. Take your weight and divide it by two—that’s more or less how much protein you should be eating in grams every day.

Rule #15: Eat at least ten meals a week at home (and cook them yourself). Restaurant portions are usually 40 to 50 percent bigger than what you’d serve at home—the more you eat out, the more you overeat. Set yourself up for success by preparing my turkey meatballs, hummus, and roasted vegetables on the weekend so that you will have go-to staples and no excuses!

Rule #18: Go to bed slightly hungry. Denied fuel for more than five hours, your body will start burning its own fat and sugar. Make a point not to eat after dinner and you’ll be burning fat while you’re sleeping.

Rule #20: Enjoy a splurge meal once a week. Unlike episodic bingeing, splurge meals are an ingredient in your diet. When you plan something, you are in control.

[graciegirl]

Article in the Daily Sun: "Study red flags red meat consumption" by MCCLATCHY newspapers.

This study, by Harvard researchers, followed the health and eating habits of 110,000 adults for over 20 years.

One 3 oz. serving per day increased the risk of dying by 13% during the study.

Processed meat raised the risk by 20%. (i.e.,bacon, hot dogs, lunch meat etc.)

Any amount of red meat will increase your risk of mortality. That was the conclusion of this study by the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston.

---------------------

Soy Study: In Hawaii, 17,000 men were followed for 30+ years.

Conclusion: Regular tofu consumption in midlife and beyond, caused accelerated brain aging/atrophy. The subjects were tested periodically and were 71 to 93 when the final test was given.

The above study was reported by Roy Walford, M.D., in his book, "Beyond The 120 Year Diet". Walford was considered to be an expert in the field of gerontology. He didn't mention who did the study but said he thought it was a well done study. I don't think he was biased because he also mentioned a lot of good things about soy.

Here is a pretty good summary of the study recently published by Harvard School of Public Health. It shows further findings of less frequent red meat eating than a serving every day.

Red meat raises red flags | Harvard Gazette (http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/03/red-meat-raises-red-flags/)

Maybe our burgers will switch to ground chicken.

[jimbo2012]

Maybe our burgers will switch to ground chicken.

Try a little harder to be healthier at least make them turkey not chicken.

[Villages PL]

Often we get mixed messages from all these fitness guru's out there.
Bob Harper, known for his work on the Biggest Loser, used to exclaim how his switch to the vegan diet plus his love of animals, etc. was the way to go.

Mixed messages means that you need some experience so as to read between the lines.



I recently read his newest book on my Kindle..........

I was suprised to read he's now advocating protein and things he had not allowed prior...........again, mixed messages........although he does mention free range chickens and such.........lots of fish, etc.

Mixed messages, yes, but it shouldn't be that difficult to figure out. There are two possible explanations: 1) When some people try to live the vegan lifestyle, they may become addicted to "high carbs" and meat is often the solution to breaking that addiction. 2) Some people find that they can't sustain a vegan lifestyle because they don't particularly like fruits and non-starchy vegetables. So the solution, for them, is to go back to eating animal protein. (Item 1 & 2 above are closely related....they often become addicted to high carbs because they don't like fruit and vegetables.)

Also, if you want to write a book and have it be a big seller, it had better not be about Veganism. A 2011 Vegetarian Resource Group National Poll stated that only 3% of Americans say they are Vegans.

[jimbo2012]

There are probably not more than 100,000 - 200,000 vegans in all of the U.S. population.

Way more than that

So how many vegetarians and vegans are there in the U.S.?

The Huffington Post article reported on information supplied by the Vegetarian Resource Group the following statistics:

Vegetarians — 16 million, 5% of the population
Vegans — 8 million (of the above group), 2.5 percent of the population
The vegan population in the U.S. has doubled since 2009.

The This means that 7.5 million people in the U.S. now eat diets that do not include any animal products. The study also revealed that 33% of Americans are eating vegan/vegetarian meals more often, though they are not vegan or vegetarian. That is over 100 million people, or one third of the country consciously choosing more plant-based foods! :mmmm:

[graciegirl]

Way more than that

So how many vegetarians and vegans are there in the U.S.?

The Huffington Post article reported on information supplied by the Vegetarian Resource Group the following statistics:

Vegetarians — 16 million, 5% of the population
Vegans — 8 million (of the above group), 2.5 percent of the population
The vegan population in the U.S. has doubled since 2009.

The This means that 7.5 million people in the U.S. now eat diets that do not include any animal products. The study also revealed that 33% of Americans are eating vegan/vegetarian meals more often, though they are not vegan or vegetarian. That is over 100 million people, or one third of the country consciously choosing more plant-based foods! :mmmm:

I really appreciate your unflagging enthusiasm with what is best for us and I mean that. I firmly think that eating vegetables is yummy and good for you but..........

too much of the same song kinda makes me remember why I didn't want to join the church that said only their bunch would get in the pearly gates on judgement day.

Be a good example is the best policy. You can catch more flies with...

if you wanna catch flies.

Plus the article quoted above. No one has ever asked me what I ate...so they missed me for sure in those statistics. Helene and Sweetie didn't get asked either...I will check with the grandkids.

[jimbo2012]

Soy Study: In Hawaii, 17,000 men were followed for 30+ years.

Conclusion: Regular tofu consumption in midlife and beyond, caused accelerated brain aging/atrophy. The subjects were tested periodically and were 71 to 93 when the final test was given.

The above study was reported by Roy Walford, M.D., in his book, "Beyond The 120 Year Diet". Walford was considered to be an expert in the field of gerontology. He didn't mention who did the study but said he thought it was a well done study. I don't think he was biased because he also mentioned a lot of good things about soy.

That study is pretty old and no one else followed up with similar studies, so I take it with a grain of sea salt

Dr Esselstyn says here (http://www.heartattackproof.com/qanda.htm)

Soy products – What about soy products?

Soy products are 40% fat and most of them are highly processed. An excess of soy protein may stimulate insulin growth factor, which is a tumor promoter.

Eat soy products cautiously.

So it's ok, but not everyday and just read the label.

[senior citizen]

I really appreciate your unflagging enthusiasm with what is best for us and I mean that. I firmly think that eating vegetables is yummy and good for you but..........

too much of the same song kinda makes me remember why I didn't want to join the church that said only their bunch would get in the pearly gates on judgement day.

Be a good example is the best policy. You can catch more flies with...

if you wanna catch flies.

Ditto, Gracie. Preaching is a turnoff. I always tell my hubby that we all can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I love veggies and always have; plus beans, lentils, fruits, etc.

Do NOT like whole grain or whole wheat pasta....at all , period.

Love oatmeal made from scratch.

Deep dark green veggies like spinach, kale, escarole, etc. in soups which are home made during the winter time...........

We eat very little red meat at all..........however, yesterday we did enjoy some kabobs which had small chunks of filet mignon, big mushrooms caps, red and green pepper squares. I marinated them in Italian dressing before he put them on the grill........then gave him some Greek Seasoning to sprinkle over.......mint, oregano, garlic, sea salt etc. Delish.

Everyone needs some hemme iron every now and then...........

SOY IS NOT GOOD FOR EVERYONE. IT ACTUALLY CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO ONE'S HEALTH.

Olive oil is considered healthy as part of the Meditteranean Diet Plan.
My ancestors used it "forever" and all lived long long healthy lives.

I know how to cook well balanced meals without using processed foods or going through the drive up window.

However, it's the preaching and lack of consideration for other's viewpoints or life experience............no one particular person do I have in mind. It's all a blur after awhile............

I will also restate that mostly all of the ones we've known who died young were excruciatingly skinny......to the point of extreme.......
Who knows why? Maybe it was just their time. Maybe they didn't eat but drank themselves to death........or maybe they were secret smokers.
It shows up as wrinkles.

A well balanced diet of all the food groups, used in moderation with a "happy heart" and consideration towards others to just let everyone "live and let live" to me would be ideal.

I do realize that when some people find a new "life path" they get all excited and want to share and change everyone around them........however, it's better not to be so stringent about it all.

In our local morning paper today, our town is giving out FREE summer breakfasts and lunches to children 18 years old and under until school starts again..........we were just saying, "Can't the 18 year olds make themselves a peanut butter sandwich?".........go figure.

I always made our two children three meals a day with snacks inbetween.
They always were thin and healthy and still are..........everything in moderation. I had friends who "rationed" the food and their kids are fat today. Again, go figure. Not all, but it seems that some young moms don't know how to cook anymore..........

Our entire country has turned towards socialism. I've changed the topic.

[Villages PL]

That study is pretty old and no one else followed up with similar studies, so I take it with a grain of sea salt

Dr Esselstyn says here (http://www.heartattackproof.com/qanda.htm)

Soy products – What about soy products?

Soy products are 40% fat and most of them are highly processed. An excess of soy protein may stimulate insulin growth factor, which is a tumor promoter.

Eat soy products cautiously.

So it's ok, but not everyday and just read the label.

As I recall, I didn't use a lot. Perhaps one cup of soymilk per day when I was eating cereal. But I no longer eat boxed cereals so I don't need soymilk. I cook steel-cut oats in water.

Sometimes I would buy roasted (unsalted) soy nuts and/or soybeans at the health food store. I didn't eat a lot of either one. I would occasionally use the soy beans in soups but soy beans don't taste that great so I don't miss them. The roasted soy nuts came in handy as part of a snack. But I don't miss them either.

What I noticed after several years of using these soy products was difficulty in retrieving words and names. I found it embarrassing the number of times I had stop and ask someone to help me find a word or name. Now that I have stopped using soy, that problem has been greatly reduced. Sure, if it's a name or word that I don't use very often, it can still happen. But it's not anything like it was before.

After that experience, I'm not likely to go back to it.

Thanks for the link. I made a note of Esselstyn's book title and will put it on my list of books to eventually read.

[Villages PL]

Way more than that

So how many vegetarians and vegans are there in the U.S.?

The Huffington Post article reported on information supplied by the Vegetarian Resource Group the following statistics:

Vegetarians — 16 million, 5% of the population
Vegans — 8 million (of the above group), 2.5 percent of the population
The vegan population in the U.S. has doubled since 2009.

The This means that 7.5 million people in the U.S. now eat diets that do not include any animal products. The study also revealed that 33% of Americans are eating vegan/vegetarian meals more often, though they are not vegan or vegetarian. That is over 100 million people, or one third of the country consciously choosing more plant-based foods! :mmmm:

As soon as I posted I figured I might be wrong so I did a search and came up with 3% of the U.S. population. I went back to make the change (edited my post) but apparently I wasn't fast enough. :wave:

[Villages PL]

I really appreciate your unflagging enthusiasm with what is best for us and I mean that. I firmly think that eating vegetables is yummy and good for you but..........

too much of the same song kinda makes me remember why I didn't want to join the church that said only their bunch would get in the pearly gates on judgement day.

Be a good example is the best policy. You can catch more flies with...

if you wanna catch flies.

Plus the article quoted above. No one has ever asked me what I ate...so they missed me for sure in those statistics. Helene and Sweetie didn't get asked either...I will check with the grandkids.

I don't think comparing food science with religion is very valid or worthwhile.
For one thing it's a huge waste of time to argue religion because it's based on faith, not scientific data. Science would suffer if there were not any questioning. How would it be if one scientist said to another, "okay, whatever you believe is okay with me"? It's more likely that one will try to duplicate the experiment or study of the other to see if it really proves to be accurate. That's why so many scientific studies are done over and over again.

On this thread, questioning is important to find out if what another person is saying is accurate, scientificly based, opinion, or faith based?

[Moderator]

Reminder to stay on topic of health and nutrition and address the post and not the poster.

Thank you.

[Villages PL]

Here is an article that I found pretty much agreeable to my philosophy of a healthy diet and continued healthy lifestyle. I agree that extreme diets may not be easily sustainable and people lose their enthusiasm for them over time.

The 7 Habits of Highly Successful Eaters « Real Life Nutrition (http://blogs.webmd.com/food-and-nutrition/2012/06/the-7-habits-of-highly-successful-eaters.html)

I finally decided to take your test and here's the result:

1) Prefers fruits and vegetables: Absolutely! I don't just tolerate them, I derive great enjoyment from eating fruits and vegetables. Even those that are slightly bitter, like brussels sprouts. I enjoy a wide variety including cauliflower, broccoli, asparagus, tomatoes, cucumber, carrots, yellow squash, romaine lettuce, bok choy. This could go on forever.

2) Has a flexible eating style Yes, how else could I become a vegan at the age of 65? And I've been happily practicing veganism for about the past 6 years. Flexibility within the vegan diet too: If I go out to eat once or twice a month, I'll have a serving of turkey and fish.

3) Focus on the positive Yes, I think healthy foods are a positive for one's health and well being and that makes me enjoy them all the more.

4) Trust the body's wisdom I absolutely do; I don't feel well when I eat junk food. And I get a great sense of well being when I eat a healthy diet.

5) Make it a lifestyle I eat healthily about 99% of the time because it's a preferred lifestyle. I say 99% because I might go out to eat once or twice a month. When I do, I still eat healthily but it's just not going to be as healthy as eating at home.

6) Remove perceived barriers Yes, I'm always prepared with healthy snacks whenever I'm away from home.

7) Kep nutrition in perspective Yes. I don't jump on every new nutrition trend.

This test was okay as far as it went; I just don't think it went deep enough. The test leaves plenty of wiggle room. On the surface, a person's diet can seem good when it might not be that good. For example, someone might say, "I try not to eat too much XYZ." Well, how much do they think is too much? In other words, it's left up to the person to decide.

One thing they could ask is: Are you overweight? If you're overweight, it's highly likely that you're not eating a healthy diet.

Another might be: Do you need to take prescription drugs for various health conditions like high blood pressure or high cholesterol? If so, it's highly likely you're not eating as healthily as you should.

[lightworker888]

If you read your responses to the test VIllagesPL, you can't help but benefit from the diet. I would say that you are at least 60+% responsible for the goodness that the diet is affording you as you have embraced it with enthusiasm, an expected positive experience and a happy lifestyle commitment that permeates all that you do, not just what you choose to eat. You also listen to your body and support it enthusiastically. All these things affect your emotional health and impact the internal soup that supports your health.

I don't believe you have to eat an entirely plant based diet to get the health results you have acquired, but one would do well to adopt the enthusiastic commitment, expected positive outcome and passion to support health that you have demonstrated regardless of what they choose to eat. I do believe that weighting the diet towards the micronutrients is a wise decision for anyone, but doing that reluctantly and with any feelings of deprivation doesn't help the body to utilize and absorb the food well. At least that is part of my belief, which I have aquired from many sources over the years.

LW888

[Villages PL]

If you read your responses to the test VIllagesPL, you can't help but benefit from the diet. I would say that you are at least 60+% responsible for the goodness that the diet is affording you as you have embraced it with enthusiasm, an expected positive experience and a happy lifestyle commitment that permeates all that you do, not just what you choose to eat. You also listen to your body and support it enthusiastically. All these things affect your emotional health and impact the internal soup that supports your health.

I don't believe you have to eat an entirely plant based diet to get the health results you have acquired, but one would do well to adopt the enthusiastic commitment, expected positive outcome and passion to support health that you have demonstrated regardless of what they choose to eat. I do believe that weighting the diet towards the micronutrients is a wise decision for anyone, but doing that reluctantly and with any feelings of deprivation doesn't help the body to utilize and absorb the food well. At least that is part of my belief, which I have aquired from many sources over the years.

LW888

Thank you for another good post. You are correct in your judgement that I could be healthy with a diet that includes some animal protein. Before I became a vegan (This is just between you and me.) I did just as well as I'm doing now. So I didn't just get healthy because I'm a vegan. But I became a vegan because I hope to be better able to maintain good health as I get older. I hope to possibly prevent the prostate cancer that my father and brother had. If I can do that Im good for another 40 years (wink-wink).

[lightworker888]

Check out the link I posted on the Food 4 thought link. It is a Q&A with Dr. Bruce. Take out the "possibly" in your thinking and move yourself into really knowing. Then you are showing the body that you trust its ability to keep you well. I am currently practising the feeling of wellness and doing my best to access it on a regular and consistent basis so that it becomes a more automatic "vibration". It is really amazing how the feeling can be so different and so much lighter with less efforting. Still have to do it consciously (like learning how to drive) but I know that it can transfer and quantum theory tells us that it can happen quickly and in fact is happening as I talk about it. I guess that is why I am so passionate about how we language and talk to each other. It affects the rapport and that affects the emotional timbre of the conversation, which will affect the "field" which affects etc etc....... tooo much to think about!!

LW888

[lightworker888]

BTW Villages PL, check out the comments in Dr. Bruce's book about Psych K. That is the type of work that I am talking about re changing beliefs. There are many variations that have developed over the years and all are using the same paradigm although the approaches and protocols may be different. EFT is one of many and is almost like an umbrella style as most of the interventions have grown out of EFT which grew from Touch for Health and that is based on TCM. So the understanding on some level of Quantum Theory is very old has a long history of success.

"New" isn't always improved and may not even be "new", which I always find amusing. That isn't to say there isn't some place for new things, but to think that new is better is to throw the baby out with the bath in my view.

As I have said before, just because something can't be scientifically proven, or can't be explained, seen, touched or measured, doesn't mean it can't exist and be very effective. We just haven't got there yet in our discovery process or maybe we haven't re-discovered it yet!

The body's messages bypass the conscious, left-brain logic and convey whole brain, unconscious info, so that is why if something "feels" right, then go with it and trust your own body wisdom. Follow your gut and don't always try to make sense of it. Your mind will always come up with an answer if you ask "why" and it may or may not be on the right path. That is your left-brain, conscious processor working. Accessing the powerful unconscious processor and utilizing that info without having to know all the reasons first is a big step in trusting self.

I better stop before this becomes more than a note.

Just some more food for thought.


LW888

[Villages PL]

Check out the link I posted on the Food 4 thought link. It is a Q&A with Dr. Bruce. Take out the "possibly" in your thinking and move yourself into really knowing. Then you are showing the body that you trust its ability to keep you well. I am currently practising the feeling of wellness and doing my best to access it on a regular and consistent basis so that it becomes a more automatic "vibration". It is really amazing how the feeling can be so different and so much lighter with less efforting. Still have to do it consciously (like learning how to drive) but I know that it can transfer and quantum theory tells us that it can happen quickly and in fact is happening as I talk about it. I guess that is why I am so passionate about how we language and talk to each other. It affects the rapport and that affects the emotional timbre of the conversation, which will affect the "field" which affects etc etc....... tooo much to think about!!

LW888

You asked me to check out the link on "Food 4 thought" so I started looking through this long thread trying to find it. I got back as far as page 13 and decided to quit. Do you realize how long this thread is?

[Villages PL]

We have read many examples of people who supposedly followed all the rules of health but did poorly. Conversely, we have been given many examples of people who didn't follow the rules and yet lived to a ripe old age. So, I think the conclusion was that it doesn't much matter whether you follow any rules or not.

I'm sure we could find many drivers who break all the rules of safe driving yet don't get into accidents. Conversely, I'm sure we could find many who do follow all the rules and yet they get into accidents. That being the case, what should our attitude be toward driving? That following safe driving rules is a waste of time?

P.S. It's not my purpose to change the subject to driving but to demonstrate faulty reasoning on the part of those who seem to suggest that good rules don't matter.

[lightworker888]

Sorry, I should have sent the link. It was on the other thread near the end so I assumed that you would go to the end, but you know about assuming!! Anyway here is the link. I thought it was well articulated and worth watching.

Science & Theory behind the Tapping World Summit - Bruce Lipton - YouTube

LW888

[jimbo2012]

Over 30 minutes??

Guess we need :popcorn::popcorn:

[lightworker888]

But well worth listening to if you are so motivated. It really explains the different paradigms for looking at health and healing and will give you much food for thought. If you do not resonate with it, then you can dismiss it out of hand, but you won't forget the essence of it and I can assure you that it will cause you to think about many aspects of your own world view and perhaps you will enjoy looking out another window on occasion. It also will facilitate forward thinking if that is something that interest you. Hope you are able to make some time to view it. Maybe on a rainy day!


LW888

[jimbo2012]

Please don't miss understand, I close no door on any information.

But just couldn't sit thru it at the moment, so I'll make some popcorn when I have time.

I enjoy your posts and would like to meet you when we get there.

[lightworker888]

That's always the challenge with communication in writing! I'm sure it will give you much to consider and the ramifications are soooo widespread. It really affects every conclusion we make and every thought we think. We are down in the Spring and Fall so perhaps we could have a gathering of any likeminded people who are interested in all these "out there" ideas.

LW888

[Villages PL]

BTW Villages PL, check out the comments in Dr. Bruce's book about Psych K. That is the type of work that I am talking about re changing beliefs. There are many variations that have developed over the years and all are using the same paradigm although the approaches and protocols may be different. EFT is one of many and is almost like an umbrella style as most of the interventions have grown out of EFT which grew from Touch for Health and that is based on TCM. So the understanding on some level of Quantum Theory is very old has a long history of success.

Psych K? What does K stand for? I read his book and don't recall anything about Psych K. Is there an updated version? Would I find it in the index? Still can't find your link. But if it's a half hour long, I don't think I will sit through it all. Have you read, or do you intend to read, anything I have suggested? For example, "The China Study" that makes the case against eating animal protein?

"New" isn't always improved and may not even be "new", which I always find amusing. That isn't to say there isn't some place for new things, but to think that new is better is to throw the baby out with the bath in my view.

I don't think anyone has suggested that "new" is better simply because it's new. Man has existed on earth for about 2 million years during which time processed foods were not eaten except for about the last several thousand years. So when I say I believe it's bad to eat processed foods, that's certainly not new. And as far as animal protein goes, most of it is nowhere near the same as what it was tens of thousands of years ago. For the most part it has been made fatty and high in omega 6, not to mention hormones and antibiotics. And that which is supposed to be better, like grass-fed beef, is usually about 10 to 12 dollars a pound. I can put my money to better use by buying fresh fruit and vegetables etc..

As I have said before, just because something can't be scientifically proven, or can't be explained, seen, touched or measured, doesn't mean it can't exist and be very effective. We just haven't got there yet in our discovery process or maybe we haven't re-discovered it yet!

You're absolutely right and very often it's called a placebo. It hasn't been very well explained why placebos often work so well. The problem is they usually don't work long term and they don't work for everyone.

The body's messages bypass the conscious, left-brain logic and convey whole brain, unconscious info, so that is why if something "feels" right, then go with it and trust your own body wisdom. Follow your gut and don't always try to make sense of it. Your mind will always come up with an answer if you ask "why" and it may or may not be on the right path. That is your left-brain, conscious processor working. Accessing the powerful unconscious processor and utilizing that info without having to know all the reasons first is a big step in trusting self.

I once talked to a woman who believed that if she craved something it meant that her body had a need for it. So she said if she craved potato chips, ice cream or other such junk food, she would eat it trusting that her body must need it. However, I believe she was just caving in to her junk food addiction. What if a person craves cigarettes? Does that mean their body needs it for health or does it mean that the person is addicted? What about the alcoholic who craves alcohol? Do you see what I mean?

[lightworker888]

The information on Psych K is the addendum and Dr. Bruce now uses the developer in his workshop presentations. The K is for Kinesiology and is one of the many kinesiology practices that have all grown from TFH as I mentioned in my previous post. It is one way that Dr. Bruce has discovered to change limiting beliefs and there are many other avenues that will lead to the same outcome. This link comes from the EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) World Summit 2011 and more and more people are using the process and finding better and faster results so the Quantum Matrix is expanding exponentially and it is very exciting. Even if you have read Dr. Bruce's Book, his talk is worth listening to as he is so clear and more current as the book was written in 2005.

Healing can happen on so many levels in so many ways and each affects the other. It's like a mobile; you can't touch one piece without all the others moving too. Each person will enter the "matrix" through which ever door opens for him/her and through which he/she chooses to enter.

LW888

[buzzy]

I watched the whole video. Seemed repetitive. I kept hoping that he would close out with a way to reprogram the subconscious mind. Big letdown.

[lightworker888]

In fact in his (Dr. Bruce) book and in his workshops he does talk about changing beliefs and this link is from an annual gathering of Emotional Freedom Technique practitioners where he was a keynote speaker. This was just a "short" interview about his worldview and Quantum Theory understanding. There definitely are a number of ways to shift beliefs. He has a Psych-K presenter with him in his workshop presentations.

My practice of 30+ years was focussed on using and teaching protocols from NLP, EFT and other types of Kinesiology that are practiced world wide. By changing our limiting beliefs, we can change the way we respond to life situations. In fact that is all that we actually have control over.......not other people or situations, but over our responses to other people and situations. And those responses come from our beliefs that have developed from our (early) life history and often we don't realize that they are forming the basis of our conclusions and responses.

We have different ways of accessing the beliefs and clients are often very surprised about what the think they believe and what belief is operating at the subconscious level (eg, It is safe for me to be healthy, vs. I need to stay unwell) Dr. Bruce calls this the "tape recorder" part of the consciousness in his talk. This is often at the heart of why many efforts to get "well" seem to not hit the mark. It isn't intentional or conscious, but it is very powerful and can sabotage any best intentions.


LW888

[Villages PL]

In fact in his (Dr. Bruce) book and in his workshops he does talk about changing beliefs and this link is from an annual gathering of Emotional Freedom Technique practitioners where he was a keynote speaker. This was just a "short" interview about his worldview and Quantum Theory understanding. There definitely are a number of ways to shift beliefs. He has a Psych-K presenter with him in his workshop presentations.

My practice of 30+ years was focussed on using and teaching protocols from NLP, EFT and other types of Kinesiology that are practiced world wide. By changing our limiting beliefs, we can change the way we respond to life situations. In fact that is all that we actually have control over.......not other people or situations, but over our responses to other people and situations. And those responses come from our beliefs that have developed from our (early) life history and often we don't realize that they are forming the basis of our conclusions and responses.

We have different ways of accessing the beliefs and clients are often very surprised about what the think they believe and what belief is operating at the subconscious level (eg, It is safe for me to be healthy, vs. I need to stay unwell) Dr. Bruce calls this the "tape recorder" part of the consciousness in his talk. This is often at the heart of why many efforts to get "well" seem to not hit the mark. It isn't intentional or conscious, but it is very powerful and can sabotage any best intentions.


LW888

Thanks for the explanation of what it's about. If that's what it's about, you don't have to sell me on the idea. I believe it. I had stress induced childhood asthma. It started when I was 9, the year that my brother died in a truck accident. My asthma was thought to be caused by allergies.

When I was about 14 I borrowed my older brother's text book, "An Introduction to Psychology". I wasn't thinking about asthma; I was just reading it out of curiosity. Then I came across some information concerning childhood asthma. It said that asthma could be psychosomatic and triggered by some event in the past. And the cure would likely be to realize what the event was. So I thought back to the year that my brother died (he was 12) and I realized that his dying was the event that triggered my asthma. That's all it took; I never had another asthma attack since that time.

I have since studied psychology in school, and out of school as well. I have read my fair share of psychology books. I even have a certificate in hypnosis, the result of taking a class in hypnosis. So I don't feel as though I don't know what motivates me and I don't have emotional hang-ups over food, or anything else for that matter.

But I agree that what you are suggesting could be good for some people.
I'm not sure if it will necessarily lead them to the best diet of "natural whole foods" but it may help them if they have emotional-eating issues.

[lightworker888]

Just as an addendum, I believe that because the brain has to process and often visualize what you don't want before it can cancel that and imagine what you do want, it is more useful to be moving towards what you do want than it is to move away from what you don't want. So eating "whole food" in order to achieve more wellness is a better way of verbalizing it to yourself and others, than eating "whole food" to avoid illness. In the latter you will visualize illness first before you imagine wellness, while in the former, you never have to visualize illness and it is easier to compute in the brain as it is a one step process. I am not suggesting that you aren't doing this, but just thought it was worth considering when we talk to people about wellness and diet etc.

The other thing about visualizing illness is that the body parts all respond even for a second while you are having that image as the brain computes real and imagined as the same thing, so it doesn't distinguish between the two on a physical level. That is why we have visceral reactions like grunting when we see someone getting body checked or physically assaulted (like boxing).

So ease of processing becomes the path of least resistance and that is why it is so important to practice forward thinking and other "towards" actions so that they become habitual and log into long term memory and then you will more easily be driving your own bus on the paths of your own choosing and that is really the foundation for self-empowerment and self-esteem. I think that in part is why TV is so appealing as there are so many paths we can choose to follow and we now have the time and space to go and do what ever floats our boat. Bon Appetit!

LW888

[perrjojo]

Yes I have a plan. I just haven't implemented it...YET. :-)

[jimbo2012]

maybe a trip to the ER will prompt you to get a plan implemented:shocked:

[graciegirl]

maybe a trip to the ER will prompt you to get a plan implemented:shocked:

Boy Howdy.

There are NO guarantees that eating vegan is gonna protect you from the maladies of mankind.

[jimbo2012]

Nothing is guaranteed, but is guaranteed that eating vegetarian or better yet vegan is gonna greatly improve the chances of NOT getting many medical maladies.

Gracie, that is a fact.

Except it can't stop lightening:1rotfl: