This appears to be what it will be about...

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The President does not seem to be hiding the fact that this campaign will NOT be about his record or what he has done nor will it be about his plans for the future. It will be, as folks on here have spoken of before, CLASS WARFARE.

Just a few examples....and a reporter gives us a small personal story...

"BOSTON, Mass. — A little birdie must have been sitting nearby during my lunch with a prominent Boston lawyer on Friday. We were discussing — what else? — the presidential elections, and the candidates’ relative chances of success.

My lunch partner has worked on the Obama campaign, has donated funds, and is an ardent supporter of the president. His characterization of the Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, was blunt and unflattering: “He may have been the only one in that clown car of candidates who could tie his shoes, but that does not make him good,” he said, over fish and chips in a North Station bistro.

But, while he desperately wants Barack Obama to gain a second term, my lawyer friend was not overly optimistic about the odds.

“With the economy the way it is, Obama is a dead man walking,” he said. “The only way he can win this is if he turns the whole campaign into class warfare — us against them. But I’m afraid he is too honorable to take that approach.”

Well perhaps not too honorable at that.

On Monday, the Obama campaign released an explosive video that paints Mitt Romney as a vulture capitalist par excellence, a soulless millionaire interested only in his own profit, and caring not a whit for the little man."

Class warfare: Obama (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/highway-2012/class-warfare-obama-s-new-campaign-tactic)

I might add that these ads are just plain vicious...would make Saul very proud, and if the President actually approved these ads it speaks directly to his character. It does not jive with his explanation of WHY he is placing them even being questioned by his followers.

There is also an article in the Wall St Journal relative to this, but not going to link because it requires a subscription, but I just hate to see this country in such a debate. WHY.....does not make sense. We have had rich presidents in the past....no big issue made of them, why now.

There are a lot of issues in this race that make me uncomfortable and I suppose have their basis in the Chicago community organizing, but even that is a bit of a cliche.

But this could get nasty.....MSNBC this morning had some polls.....one was asking WHITE STRUGGLING folks who could better help them (I am paraphrasing as I do not recall the exact wording)...Romney won that poll by at lest 15 points. Second question asked of NON WHITE STRUGGLING folks...an Obama wins by 15 points.

This is not nice stuff to even see or hear no matter what side of the aisle you come down on.

By the time of the debates, nobody on either side will be LISTENING !

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On Monday, the Obama campaign released an explosive video that paints Mitt Romney as a vulture capitalist par excellence, a soulless millionaire interested only in his own profit, and caring not a whit for the little man."




An accurate description - what's your problem?

Seems odd the Cons do NOT want to talk about Willard's time at Bain and the number of companies they destroyed, jobs that were lost, and lives they ruined.

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The sad thing is, I doubt that the POTUS even understands what Bain Capital or a venture capitalist actually does. If he does, although I seriously doubt it, he's betting that the majority of Americans and stupid and don't know. Either way, capitalism is under attack and many dimwits and libs are trying to make work and money dirty words by using class warfare.

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On Monday, the Obama campaign released an explosive video that paints Mitt Romney as a vulture capitalist par excellence, a soulless millionaire interested only in his own profit, and caring not a whit for the little man."




An accurate description - what's your problem?

Seems odd the Cons do NOT want to talk about Willard's time at Bain and the number of companies they destroyed, jobs that were lost, and lives they ruined.

Yes Romney is a capitalist and a Republican and that by design means he has no concern for the poor, but remember:

First we must get the country back in good health.
Then if we have some left over scraps, the poor get it.
So do you want a healthy country or healthy poor people. Ya cant have it both ways.

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if getting the wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes,to get corporate America to pay something,to eliminate corporate subsidies,and get some control of Wall st. then I'm all for class warfare.

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if getting the wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes,to get corporate America to pay something,to eliminate corporate subsidies,and get some control of Wall st. then I'm all for class warfare.

Those against it would be also if they just understood what it actually is.

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On Monday, the Obama campaign released an explosive video that paints Mitt Romney as a vulture capitalist par excellence, a soulless millionaire interested only in his own profit, and caring not a whit for the little man."




An accurate description - what's your problem?

Seems odd the Cons do NOT want to talk about Willard's time at Bain and the number of companies they destroyed, jobs that were lost, and lives they ruined.

Nor do they want to talk about his record as governor of Massachusetts.

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Nor do they want to talk about his record as governor of Massachusetts.

That would be a welcome change...lets talk about each guys RECORD AND SERVICE !!!

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Nor do they want to talk about his record as governor of Massachusetts.

Hey, I agree with you that he is as big a )(^&^^%*&& as most republicans, but I also think he can get the economy back on track faster than Obama. Now understand, I am a rich white male so I have a horse in the money race and I am not involved in the poor race.

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On Monday, the Obama campaign released an explosive video that paints Mitt Romney as a vulture capitalist par excellence, a soulless millionaire interested only in his own profit, and caring not a whit for the little man."




An accurate description - what's your problem?

Seems odd the Cons do NOT want to talk about Willard's time at Bain and the number of companies they destroyed, jobs that were lost, and lives they ruined.

They video you allude to is even criticized by DEMOCRATS and left leaning folks. It does NOT refect any truth and to quote a few democrats, it is just flat out mean spirited and not true.

This is hate campaigning and an attempt to FRAME the other guy. It is and will backfire, and this will make you happy.....polls are changing the more Obama talks and advertises. Instead of acting presidential, he is acting like a third rung candidate who is desperate...and that is well beneath him.

Axlerod is really blowing this and doing it early !

Now having said that, it gets even worse when Obama tries to explain WHY he is doing it.....that is painful to listen to and I actually understand what he is saying but in reality he is apologizing for ads that should never have seen the light of day.

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This is interesting but not exactly earth shattering...


"The Obama campaign’s latest attack tells the story of workers at an Indiana office supply company who lost their jobs after a Bain-owned company named American Pad & Paper (Ampad) took over their company and drove it out of business.
Here’s what the Obama Web video doesn’t mention: A top Obama donor and fundraiser had a much more direct tie to the controversy and actually served on the board of directors at Richardson, Texas-based Ampad, which makes office paper products.
Jonathan Lavine is a long-time Bain Capital executive and co-owner of the Boston Celtics. He is also one of President Obama’s most prolific fundraisers. He has already raised more than $200,000 for the Obama campaign this election, according to Federal Election Commission records.
Lavine started working for Bain in 1993. He was one of three Bain executives who served on the board of directors of Ampad for several years, a post he held until 1999. Here’s a news release announcing his departure from the company in April 1999.
Lavine’s placement on the board of Ampad suggests he had a more direct role than Romney in the series of events surrounding the layoffs, labor disputes and eventual bankruptcy of the Marion, Ind., factory featured in the Obama campaign video."

Obama Donor Tied to Bain Layoffs - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/top-obama-donor-tied-to-bain-layoffs/)

Not surpirsing because I think everyone knows that Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth, but then again....that is what he does !

And actually, that would not be as big a deal if he did it only as a candidate but he does exactly the same thing as President of the United States

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Hers my take on class warfare.A portion of the very wealthy in this country have quite a thing going. Their goal goes beyond using their influence and money to buy congress and maybe this time the President. They want to control government for a self-serving and short-sighted reason. The end game is having all the wealth and power in the hands of a few billionaires and multinational companies while the rest of us are left to fend for ourselves with NO help from any level of government. I see this as class warfare with the destruction of the middle class as the goal. It is my belief that the Republican party is waging an all out war on the middle class and thepoor.The pattern I see is working people struggling wealthy people getting more and more and republican politicians and Wall st. allied to get more from the working people and give more to the wealthy.What they like to say is that anyone asking for a living wage,health benefits or to close a tax loophole for billionaires is engaging in class warfare.Taking money from the rich to give to the poor is redistribution of wealth but taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich is capitalism.

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if getting the wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes,to get corporate America to pay something,to eliminate corporate subsidies,and get some control of Wall st. then I'm all for class warfare.

Government control of Wall St ? Is that what you are proposing ?

Gee,,,this President said he had placed all the tight controls over Wall st that it needed, and then we had the latest huge loss which was DIRECTLY related to one of Obama's new structures there. Now, he isnt going to tell you that but I sure hope that Romney does but save it for the debate...the president is so full of contradiction on these issues....

If you really want what you say you want WAYNE...then get after the President to do what he said he was going to do and has ignored....work on the tax code instead of playing politics with it. He had that blue ribbon committee to do that...remember...then he just summarily dismissed them....NOTHING DONE ....YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY....

READ...it is and his entire time in office has been about POLITICS and not the business of the country. You are correct in what you want, you are incorrect in how you are aiming the criticism. BOTH parties are and have been guilty but the man you defend is the one who was "on it"...appointed the blue ribbon and then because it would hurt his party, just dropped it. Lets talk about that in the debates as well !

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I strongly suggest to some of the partisan parrots do a little research on what companies like Bain actually do. Look very hard at their method. And then most importantly look at their track record when they finally leave the scene.

It is in their best interest to make a sick business well and then sell it as an operating concern VS the unfortunate popular and partisan political belief. Their intent is not to fire people and close down businesses. There is more money to be made selling a going concern than liquidating a business.

Do they fire people? Of course they do. They will analyze why a company is not profitable and then take actions....that any RESPONSIBLE management should have taken in the first place. If there are to be "firings" (the word partisan politicians prefer) it usually starts with getting rid of the executives who did not do the job in the first place.

Yes they will close down operations that do not contribute to profitability or add value to the company. And yes the people who work there will be either reassigned or let go....many of which should not have ever been added or kept on the payroll in the first place.

The number of operations closed down as a percent of the total is some where around 10%. That means 90% are better companies/operations than when the Bain-like folks came in.

Having been in that business myself, I am always amazed and never disappointed by the total and complete lack of knowledge by the general public (and obviously ALL politicians). The only subject that seems to get the attention is painting negatively what was done to make the unprofitable companies sound operating entities again.

Obama is on the wrong track making the election "about Bain". And according to several articles in various media this morning, more democrats believe the same.

And for those of you who are clamoring for a comparison of each candidates (Obama/Romney) past performance......thank GOD you have seen the light. Romney's performance results as a business man will so over shadow the career politician/Obama it will be embarassing.

And for those still beating the "rich man" drum.....please keep in mind they are ALL rich with many much richer than Romney. A few weeks ago they stated Obama's worth at ten million....I do believe that is above the threshold of the standard for being rich.

As one head line this morning put it...Obama Stumbles out of the gate....his personal attack campaign for thinking people does not work!!!!!

Do some research on the venture capital companies....you will become educated while being surprised.

btk

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Hers my take on class warfare.A portion of the very wealthy in this country have quite a thing going. Their goal goes beyond using their influence and money to buy congress and maybe this time the President. They want to control government for a self-serving and short-sighted reason. The end game is having all the wealth and power in the hands of a few billionaires and multinational companies while the rest of us are left to fend for ourselves with NO help from any level of government. I see this as class warfare with the destruction of the middle class as the goal. It is my belief that the Republican party is waging an all out war on the middle class and thepoor.The pattern I see is working people struggling wealthy people getting more and more and republican politicians and Wall st. allied to get more from the working people and give more to the wealthy.What they like to say is that anyone asking for a living wage,health benefits or to close a tax loophole for billionaires is engaging in class warfare.Taking money from the rich to give to the poor is redistribution of wealth but taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich is capitalism.

I posted a response to you in another post WHILE YOU WERE POSTING this so it is a bit out of order.

You are saying what the politicians on the left want you to, say however the basic premise of what you say is valid in a way.

The tax code needs changing..we all agree...why isnt it being even looked at and why did the President throw aside HIS OWN committee on this....not politically expediant.

You seem to have fallen for the mantra of the Democratic party....they are the party of the middle class and poor and Republicans the party of the rich...that is so much pure garbage which has been proven over and over again not to be true.

I really ask you to look at what is really happening....I think you will dramatically change your mind. Dont be conned by those RICH RICH Democrats with all the RICH RICH lobbyists telling you how poor they are.

READ the lies this man has told about the control of lobbyists, which you were talking about. He has sold out to them.....

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Bucco, in the team Obama ad regarding GST Steel, the plant in Kansas City, Missouri, there are many things that aren't mentioned. One of the most important facts concerning the company is a 10 week union strike in April 1997. Another point omitted is that fact that nearly half the US steel companies filed for bankruptcy around the same time that GST Steel filed and most of the companies customers filed for bankruptcy.

It is sickening to see and hear the lies and then to read responses from people who blindly, and sometimes knowingly, continue the lies.

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So great to hear all the parrots of the vulture (two birds in one sentence) "capitalists" just repeating the same tripe all over again and again.

I would think some of them would do research instead of just their repeating what FAUX News has on the air that day.

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So great to hear all the parrots of the vulture (two birds in one sentence) "capitalists" just repeating the same tripe all over again and again.

I would think some of them would do research instead of just their repeating what FAUX News has on the air that day.

1. Please stop with the insults.

2. Do you see any references to Fox news, which is by the way the most watched network BY FAR. And cannot speak for BK, but I never watch Fox or any of the cable news channels.

3. Speaking of research, PLEASE DO YOUR OWN, and refute what we have said, which you cannot.

4. You are a true soldier of Obama....just say things...TRUTH does not matter.

5. PLEASE stop with the insults.

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Bucco, in the team Obama ad regarding GST Steel, the plant in Kansas City, Missouri, there are many things that aren't mentioned. One of the most important facts concerning the company is a 10 week union strike in April 1997. Another point omitted is that fact that nearly half the US steel companies filed for bankruptcy around the same time that GST Steel filed and most of the companies customers filed for bankruptcy.

It is sickening to see and hear the lies and then to read responses from people who blindly, and sometimes knowingly, continue the lies.

I hope, and I mean it, that the administration...I suppose Axelrod wakes up. This is demeaning to the President...when you, at this stage of the campaign, have members of your own party crying foul and garbage, you may be on the wrong track. He is better than all the distortion, hate and class warfare that is being exhibited.

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if one does do some research on the subject of the evil aspects of venture capitalists perhaps you can enlighten us as to the number of them that are consultants and major contributors to Obama including one that is a director of Bain capital.

Also please investigate for us the amount of contributions coming from the very types of companies Obama is railing against Romney for having been a part of.......

He is once again, knowingly talking out of both sides of his face. I cannot imagine not wanting to know why it is not OK for Romney to have been a participant in the business that he. Obama, uses for support, contributions and consultation.

Can't wait to hear the results of some Obama's supporters findings.

Let's have that one on one comparison of Obama's and Romney's past accomplishments as well.

btk

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Whatever the Obama campaign is doing seems to be working. Bain Capital has a favorably rating of 9%, that's less than congress.

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Whatever the Obama campaign is doing seems to be working. Bain Capital has a favorably rating of 9%, that's less than congress.

It is certainly working for Romney for sure.

And, your implication is that Obama's goal is to destroy this company...is that correct ?

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Since we now know from one of our posters, Obama's intent with his Bain ads is to destroy the company....that I did not know......but a few things to be mentioned...

First, he is getting donations from Bain and I suppose he doesnt matter if he puts them out and he loses the donations...what an honorable guy....

Then.....

"Despite a growing backlash from his fellow Democrats, President Obama has doubled down on his attacks on Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital. But the strategy could backfire in ways Obama did not anticipate. After all, if Romney’s record in private equity is fair game, then so is Obama’s record in public equity — and that record is not pretty.

Since taking office, Obama has invested billions of taxpayer dollars in private businesses, including as part of his stimulus spending bill. Many of those investments have turned out to be unmitigated disasters — leaving in their wake bankruptcies, layoffs, criminal investigations and taxpayers on the hook for billions. Consider just a few examples of Obama’s public equity failures:"

Forget Bain — Obama’s public-equity record is the real scandal - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/forget-bain-obamas-public-equity-record-is-the-real-scandal/2012/05/24/gJQAXnXCnU_story.html)

Raser Tech.....given 33 million dollars of taxpayer money in 2010. Went through that money and filed for bankruptcy in 2012 and owes 1.5 million in back taxes

ECOtality.....given 126.2 million of taxpayer money in 2009. Company president attended the state of union address and sat with Mrs Obama in her box in 2010; hailed as a stimulus success story by Obama. Have incurred over 45 million in losses and is under investigation for insider trading.

Nevada Geothermal Power.....Obama gave them 98.5 million in 2010. They have reported in turmoil and their auditor reported that there was significant doubt they could continue at all.

First Solar.....3 Billion in loan guarantees from Obama. They just fired 30 percent of the work force and are losing about 450 million

Abound Solar, Inc.....400 million dollar guarantee. They just laid off 180 employees

Beacon Power......43 million guarantee. In 2011 they filed for bankruptcy.

NOW...There are more companies listed but what struck me about all of this is , and this should really get your attention...

"Amazingly, Obama has declared that all the projects received funding “based solely on their merits.” But as Hoover Institution scholar Peter Schweizer reported in his book, “Throw Them All Out,” fully 71 percent of the Obama Energy Department’s grants and loans went to “individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.”


WHAT A President we have !!!!

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Just a few bumps in the road. Move along.....nothing to see here. :(

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the pied piper truly works his magic...the followers see only what he wants them to see...........hear......believe........

btk

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the pied piper truly works his magic...the followers see only what he wants them to see...........hear......believe........

btk

Sorry, if this is a little bit off-thread-topic, but BTK's post got me thinking of this story.

How about this tale of a typical liberal Obama worshiping sycophant doing what all of them would love to do. She threatens one of her students with arrest for criticizing President Barack (don't mention his middle name) Obama.

Of course, thank God, the progressives haven't gotten the government of the country to the point where she could get away with it..................yet.

She was suspended, not fired......yet, if ever; and I bet it did wonders for the hearts of the liberal progressive; and someone may be writing a poem or sonnet in honor of the courage of this woman, I would imagine.

If only Alan Ginsberg was still alive.

Teacher gets suspended for threatening student who criticized Obama (VIDEO) | Washington Times Communities (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/bill-kellys-truth-squad/2012/may/21/teacher-gets-suspended-threatening-student-who-cri/)

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Rule Four from Rules For Radicals...
Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”So Romney claims that his work at Bain Capital created jobs. Obama takes the same set of circumstances and accurately demonstrates that at times Romney's firm caused jobs to be eliminated, an argument that enrages the working class. As long as Obama has Romney on the defensive on this issue, there's no room for discussion of the really important issues. It's a great tactic that seems to be working.

Don't get me wrong. Right now, Obama is using the "rules" better than Romney. But if the Romney campaign could use some of the Rules for Radicals themselves, they absolutely would. They've worked very well for a long time.

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I read that Bain had a .725 success rate. I wish my Cubbies could hit that well. Heck, I'd be happy with .300.

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when there is a layoff (firing is the term partisan and union members prefer)
to keep the business entity profitable and solvent....if the layoff is 5-10%....the only clamoring that ever gets any air time is the brutal company "firing" etc/yak/yak/yak.

There is never a mention of the usual 90-95% that are still employed....that are able to be kept employed because of the actions taken.
And if the management was smart when they developed the lay off list they got rid of the dead wood and those who never added value in the first place.

Just like the lame Bain bashing....the partisan patter is to focus on those let go....not the ones remaining (usually in excess of 90%)....and certainly not going to report the ones that grew employment after the repair of the company.

Just another partisan distraction away from REAL ISSUES.

btk

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It is certainly working for Romney for sure.

And, your implication is that Obama's goal is to destroy this company...is that correct ?

If you had listened to President Obama's speech in Iowa the other day, you would have heard him say that private equity firms are good, but being CEO of a private equity firm does not have the same qualifications as being president (I'm paraphrasing here). Bain Capital's main goal was to make money for their shareholders, not create jobs. Perhaps it's time for Mitt Romney to start running on his record as governor of MA not CEO of Bain.

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If you had listened to President Obama's speech in Iowa the other day, you would have heard him say that private equity firms are good, but being CEO of a private equity firm does not have the same qualifications as being president (I'm paraphrasing here). Bain Capital's main goal was to make money for their shareholders, not create jobs. Perhaps it's time for Mitt Romney to start running on his record as governor of MA not CEO of Bain.

Gee......as I said a number of times on here, you are correct, what Obama says is a valid point to make, BUT his ads are hateful and mean spirited, false and misleading and that is why folks on BOTH SIDES crticize them. As always, he says one thing and does another.

And I can not wait until we talk about records of accomplishments in their lives...That will be refreshing and quite interesting.

I might add that the emphasis on Bain came from Obama and he really blew it big time on that course of action. Not just my opinion.....his ads are helping Romney everywhere because everyone knows that what he is saying in the press conferences and speeches are in a different world than those ads. He is and always has been a hypocrite.

YOU are proud of him saying that these firms are good, yet you just recently YOU seemed to be happy that Obama was putting them down....your quote...

"Whatever the Obama campaign is doing seems to be working. Bain Capital has a favorably rating of 9%, that's less than congress." (post #21 on this thread)

Now that gives the impression that you were happy that this company was suffering and that Obama was actually campaigning against them ????

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being Bain CEO does not qualify as being POTUS.....????

I almost shot my drink through my nose!

And just what would have been the answer to that stupid statement if it were directed at Obama when he was a candidate?

As candidates for the office of POTUS, Romney VS Obama (comparing when Obama was a candidate)....there is no contest. Obama is living proof it does not matter whether one is qualified or not, if you can TALK a good game.

One thing some of us KNOW FOR CERTAIN, talk does not cut it for a venture capital CEO or any other CEO for that matter.

For Obama to cite (or anybody else) that his holding of the office makes him better qualified is the funniest thing I have heard since becoming aware Obama was the Dems choice in 2007.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

btk