George Carlin and politics. Some of these are great.

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George Carlin Quotes - Famous George Carlin Political Quotes (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/george-carlin.htm)

"Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ******."

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George Carlin was absolutely right with that bit. He was one funny guy.

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"The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse: You cannot post 'Thou shalt not steal,' 'Thou shalt not commit adultery,' and 'Thou shalt not lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges, and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment."

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It should end more like:

"....when you're aborted, you're ****ed because you cannot benefit from preschool, daycare, school lunch.......and laughing and playing and holding a new puppy and playing in the sandbox."

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It should end more like:

"....when you're aborted, you're ****ed because you cannot benefit from preschool, daycare, school lunch.......and laughing and playing and holding a new puppy and playing in the sandbox."



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George Carlin Quotes - Famous George Carlin Political Quotes (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/george-carlin.htm)

"Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ******."

Tal: He also said in that same article that poor people have no incentive because we give them too much money.

I had always believed Carlin did not like America, in fact Carlin like Bill Maher didn't like much of anything or anyone. He was over rated as a comedian and only got noticed because of his outlandish language

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It should end more like:

"....when you're aborted, you're ****ed because you cannot benefit from preschool, daycare, school lunch.......and laughing and playing and holding a new puppy and playing in the sandbox."



Not sure if you could call a fetus a person who is conscious for most if not almost all abortions. Top 10 Anti-Abortion Myths - Top 10 Myths About Abortion (http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/tp/abortionmyths.htm)

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So we had another thread about abortion that ended up being shut down, not because people were upset about the termination of budding human life, but because people got crazy angry that religion was brought into it.

Now you want to start it up again by quoting a funny, but atheist comic?

I'm not home now, but on the road and will be home pretty soon. You want myths?

I'm happy to dispel your assumptions if this thread is still operational by the time I return to TV.

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Yeah George Carlin is such a role model

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Yeah George Carlin is such a role model

Never said George Carlin is a role model. He was a comedian.

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Never said George Carlin is a roll model. He was a comedian.

Yet you use him in your politics !!! Strange choices for sure

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Carlin was a great comic with a fantastic sense of society.

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Carlin was a great comic with a fantastic sense of society.

I am sure...a very important and contributing member of our great society.

I dont doubt what you say, but quoting comedians is getting pretty old hat with the Democrats, dont you think ?

Its ok with me if that is the high standard...I just find it unusual

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I am sure...a very important and contributing member of our great society.

I dont doubt what you say, but quoting comedians is getting pretty old hat with the Democrats, dont you think ?

Its ok with me if that is the high standard...I just find it unusual

Liberal Democrats have a thing for celebrities who utter leftist political dogma, and bashing Republicans and Conservatives make the left swoon. They put them on a pedestal, and elevate them them in their minds to the ranks of political gurus, of a sort.


It's not so with the very few celebrities who have the guts to risk their career by espousing conservative ideas. Conservatives welcome them, but they remain in the background.

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Liberal Democrats have a thing for celebrities who utter leftist political dogma, and bashing Republicans and Conservatives make the left swoon. They put them on a pedestal, and elevate them them in their minds to the ranks of political gurus, of a sort.


It's not so with the very few celebrities who have the guts to risk their career by espousing conservative ideas. Conservatives welcome them, but they remain in the background.

Personally, I would rather listen to Bill Maher than to Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, or any of those other political comedians on Fox. Gretchen Carlson, though, is quite pleasant.

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Personally, I would rather listen to Bill Maher than to Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, or any of those other political comedians on Fox. Gretchen Carlson, though, is quite pleasant.

No surprise. He strokes your political bias and you melt, just as I said. Thanks for the feedback.

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Not sure if you could call a fetus a person who is conscious for most if not almost all abortions. Top 10 Anti-Abortion Myths - Top 10 Myths About Abortion (http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/tp/abortionmyths.htm)

The only important issues in the whole ten which are in the article you linked are numbers 1 and 10. They’re the only ones that have anything to do with the human life in the womb of it’s mother. I have to assume since you linked this without comment, that you concur with the thoughts of this author.


(1. "You can't be pro-choice and be anti-death penalty/anti-war at the same time."False. The pro-choice position is predicated on the idea that women have the right to decide whether to carry their pregnancies to term. The victims of the death penalty and war are fully conscious persons rather than presentient entities in a woman's womb, so the moral questions involved are entirely different.)

Lot’s of assumption here. The author doesn’t mention the age of the baby. A baby’s heart beats at 18 days from conception and his brain activity can be detected at 6 weeks from conception. That’s a conscious person by any definition.

6 to 7 Weeks | Prenatal Overview (http://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit7.php)

Also, the author doesn’t discuss the baby’s soul. Then again, maybe the author doesn’t have one and his omission is understandable

You want to stand on OK’ing the destruction of innocent life over convicted murderers, that’s your conscious.

(2."Human life begins at conception."False. Human life actually begins prior to conception, because each sperm and egg cell is a living thing. It is more relevant to discuss when sentience, or self-awareness, begins. In 2000, the British House of Lords established a Commission of Inquiry into Fetal Sentience, which estimated that higher-level brain development begins to commence at about 23 weeks.)

This author states that he grants life with higher-level brain development. How many babies are born prior to 23 weeks and survived? This author again is making statements and assumptions that are ludicrous.

It is an undisputed biological scientific fact that human life begins at conception; at the union of the father’s sperm and the mother’s ovum, which is called fertilization.
From the very moment of conception the fetus contains all the genetic information that baby will have for the remainder of his life. Any embryology book will confirm that this new, unique human creation is a defined sex and is alive, complete and growing.

At the very moment of it’s conception, this creation is completely human in every one of his characteristics, totally unique from every other living organism. He has the same 46 chromosomes he will have until death.

That means they deserve all the same rights to life that other individuals enjoy. Even if someone has doubts, there is certainly enough reasonable biological facts to give an unborn baby the benefit of the doubt. If you’re not sure someone’s dead or alive, you don’t bury them, right?

The protection of life should be the final word on this topic.

“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”

No human being should be discriminated against based on his or her stage of development, place of residence (inside the womb) or arbitrary notion of “when life begins”.

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Richie, I don't want to get into an argument over this - after all, another thread got shut down... But that 'heart' at 18 days is a one-chamber heart that more resembles a frog embryo. And that "brain activity"? Miniscule would be putting it kindly.

Properly cared for and nourished, yes, that fetus will grow into a person. Any anatomy book can show when certain physiological changes occur. But saying "there's a heart" at 18 days *really* oversimplifies things.

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Richie, I don't want to get into an argument over this - after all, another thread got shut down... But that 'heart' at 18 days is a one-chamber heart that more resembles a frog embryo. And that "brain activity"? Miniscule would be putting it kindly.

Properly cared for and nourished, yes, that fetus will grow into a person. Any anatomy book can show when certain physiological changes occur. But saying "there's a heart" at 18 days *really* oversimplifies things.

And denying the humanity of that "fetus" really oversimplifies things.

You can't deny that you're talking about a human being.

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No surprise. He strokes your political bias and you melt, just as I said. Thanks for the feedback.

and right back at you with the political comedians of Limbaugh, Beck, and Coulter. Thanks for your feedback and your bias.

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and right back at you with the political comedians of Limbaugh, Beck, and Coulter. Thanks for your feedback and your bias.

I don't constantly fawn over them or initiate their names in conversation or on this forum as you do with your constant admiration for the loathsome Maher.

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Beck and Palin are greater comedians than Carlin ever was.

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Richie: I see a potential human being. I can't "look" at a single-cell organism and say "that's human". If you told me that it was a fertilized human egg, that would only change my opinion of the future of that cell.

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Richie: I see a potential human being. I can't "look" at a single-cell organism and say "that's human". If you told me that it was a fertilized human egg, that would only change my opinion of the future of that cell.

If you don't see the humanity that is there in even a scientific sense, let alone a moral sense, I find that really tragic.

Potential human being???...............omg!

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Why would you consider and categorize a human fetus as something to be eliminated from the body, like urine or feces?

Is a human fetus a "waste product"????

Not even wild dogs or boars dig out their unborn offspring.

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Why would you consider and categorize a human fetus as something to be eliminated from the body, like urine or feces?

Is a human fetus a "waste product"????

Not even wild dogs or boars dig out their unborn offspring.

The pro-abortion crowd must dehumanize the human being developing inside it's mother in order to live with themselves.

If they ever admitted to themselves what they were really advocating...........

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Richie, I'll put this as politely as I can - and not that I'm angry at you or anything - I'm not. It's just that what I'm about to describe can be disturbing.

Back in 1991, my (now-ex) wife had a miscarriage. What I had to clean up off the floor wasn't what I would call "human". It was something that, clearly, the body rejected (as happens, apparently to approximately 1/3 of all pregnancies).

Because I don't view a one-cell organism as having the same rights as you, me or any other living human doesn't make me a monster. Quite the contrary - what I see is the potential. It's a blueprint and, WITH THE PROPER CARE, if there aren't too many genetic mistakes, you'll have someone in 9 months. You'll have "viability" sooner than that.

In the old days of film photogrpahy, everyone would say they "took pictures". But it wasn't "a picture" until you sent the film to the lab, had it developed and prints made.

Yes, as soon as fertilization is complete, you have a 100% blueprint for a unique (barring twins/triplets/etc) individual. This, however, still requires a LOT of "care and feeding". Again, I don't think I'm saying anything that controversial.

But if you go and "grant full rights" to a single-cell organism, have you thought this through? It means *every* miscarriage becomes a case of suspicion of, at the very least, negligent homicide. It means forcing parents to bring anencephalic babies or Tay-Sachs babies into this world.

Look, I dont' believe that someone should be able at, say, 8 months pregnant, to be able to walk into a clinic and get an abortion. IMO, she had plenty of time to think about it BEFORE then. I also know it's pretty much impossible to get one at that stage around here. Just as a reminder, Roe v. Wade DOES allow for 3rd trimester restrictions. It's not the "free pass" that so many seem to think it is.

Richie, you insist that I'm "pro-abortion", which I'm not. I don't like it and never have. You talk about "pro abortionists" using the tactic of "dehumanizing" the fetus - isn't that what you're doing with me by constantly pinning that label?

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Richie, I'll put this as politely as I can - and not that I'm angry at you or anything - I'm not. It's just that what I'm about to describe can be disturbing.

Back in 1991, my (now-ex) wife had a miscarriage. What I had to clean up off the floor wasn't what I would call "human". It was something that, clearly, the body rejected (as happens, apparently to approximately 1/3 of all pregnancies).

Because I don't view a one-cell organism as having the same rights as you, me or any other living human doesn't make me a monster. Quite the contrary - what I see is the potential. It's a blueprint and, WITH THE PROPER CARE, if there aren't too many genetic mistakes, you'll have someone in 9 months. You'll have "viability" sooner than that.

In the old days of film photogrpahy, everyone would say they "took pictures". But it wasn't "a picture" until you sent the film to the lab, had it developed and prints made.

Yes, as soon as fertilization is complete, you have a 100% blueprint for a unique (barring twins/triplets/etc) individual. This, however, still requires a LOT of "care and feeding". Again, I don't think I'm saying anything that controversial.

But if you go and "grant full rights" to a single-cell organism, have you thought this through? It means *every* miscarriage becomes a case of suspicion of, at the very least, negligent homicide. It means forcing parents to bring anencephalic babies or Tay-Sachs babies into this world.

Look, I dont' believe that someone should be able at, say, 8 months pregnant, to be able to walk into a clinic and get an abortion. IMO, she had plenty of time to think about it BEFORE then. I also know it's pretty much impossible to get one at that stage around here. Just as a reminder, Roe v. Wade DOES allow for 3rd trimester restrictions. It's not the "free pass" that so many seem to think it is.

Richie, you insist that I'm "pro-abortion", which I'm not. I don't like it and never have. You talk about "pro abortionists" using the tactic of "dehumanizing" the fetus - isn't that what you're doing with me by constantly pinning that label?

Before the unconstitutional Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided by the Supreme Court, abortion was illegal. No parents of a baby that was miscarried or lost otherwise were ever looked at with anything but concern and pity at the unexpected loss of the human being taken from them.

The loss of your baby was a tragedy, and I sympathize with the horror you and your family went through, but fail to see how dehumanizing the growing human being helps you, or somehow excuses and justifies abortion.

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Before the unconstitutional Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided by the Supreme Court, abortion was illegal. No parents of a baby that was miscarried or lost otherwise were ever looked at with anything but concern and pity at the unexpected loss of the human being taken from them.

The loss of your baby was a tragedy, and I sympathize with the horror you and your family went through, but fail to see how dehumanizing the growing human being helps you, or somehow excuses and justifies abortion.

How did this evolve from George Carlin political quotes to abortion issues?

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How did this evolve from George Carlin political quotes to abortion issues?

Keep up Buggy; the quote was Carlin referencing abortion in his "inimitable" way.

Taltarzac thought it prescient and has some support in that, and then I and others vociferously disagreed.

Are you up to speed?

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Keep up Buggy; the quote was Carlin referencing abortion in his "inimitable" way.

Taltarzac thought it prescient and has some support in that, and then I and others vociferously disagreed.

Are you up to speed?

Speed kills. :grumpy:

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"'Now, I know that he's taken some flak lately but no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than The Donald. And that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter, like, did we fake the moon landing? What really happened in Roswell? And where are Biggie and Tupac?''
—President Obama on Donald Trump, 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner

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Before the unconstitutional Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided by the Supreme Court, abortion was illegal. No parents of a baby that was miscarried or lost otherwise were ever looked at with anything but concern and pity at the unexpected loss of the human being taken from them.

The loss of your baby was a tragedy, and I sympathize with the horror you and your family went through, but fail to see how dehumanizing the growing human being helps you, or somehow excuses and justifies abortion.

Obviously I disagree with you that RvW was unconstitutional.

However, abortion was NOT illegal in all the states. It was a patchwork quilt of laws that varied from state to state. RvW basically said that a woman in North Dakota now had the same rights as a woman in New York or Massachusetts.

But time were different "back then". While I don't believe that the literal version of "the miscarriage police" would happen the way some left-wing alarmists say, I *do* believe that today's ultra-right religious groups WOULD be pushing for something aking to that. The ones I'm talking about are the ones who don't allow for rape/incest/maternal endangerment exceptions.