WHICH OBAMA is it that you know....

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....."I think the president believes that private-equity firms harm the economy and that their CEOs are at best indifferent and sometimes unsympathetic to the struggle of average Americans. I say “I think” because Obama has himself collected millions of dollars from such profit-driven firms, and uses their grandees to raise cash for his reelection. Cynical, hypocritical, or unaware? You decide."

....."I think the president is in favor of publicly funded campaign financing but against super PACs; but again I say “I think” because Obama renounced the former and embraced the latter. Are Guantanamo, renditions, tribunals, and preventive detention constitutional necessities or threats to our security? Some of Obama’s personalities have said they are bad; others apparently believe them to be good."

....."One Barack Obama crisscrosses the country warning us that a sinister elite has robbed from the common good and must atone for destroying the economy. Another Barry Obama hits the golf links in unapologetically aristocratic fashion and prefers Martha’s Vineyard for his vacation. So I am confused about the evil 1 percent. Obama 1 feels they have shorted the country and must now pay their fair share, while Obama 2 feels they are vital allies in helping the poor by attending his $40,000-a-plate campaign dinners."

....."Barry Obama respects those who make billions from Berkshire Hathaway, Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Facebook, but Barack Obama does not respect those who make billions from oil, farming, and construction. Is Wall Street the source of our national problems or the source of the president’s political salvation? There is an Obama who runs against a prep-schooled mansion-living member of the elite; there is another Obama who was a prep-schooled mansion-living member of the elite."

....."I thought one Obama swore to us that borrowing $5 trillion was vital — Keynesian pump priming, stimulus, averting 8 percent–plus unemployment, and all that. But now another Obama claims that his serial $1 trillion deficits are proof not of “growth” of the sort that improved GDP and reduced unemployment, but rather of fiscal discipline that stopped reckless Republican spending. So Obama over the last four years brought both austerity that checked wild Bush spending, and also Keynesian growth that snapped us out of the Bush lethargy? Spending is saving? Record deficits are record fiscal restraint?"

....."Lots of Obamas keep talking about civility and bringing us together; but lots more Obamas talk about punishing our enemies, emphasizing racial differences, and formally organizing supporters by racial groupings. An angelic Obama lectures about the end of red-state/blue-state divides; a less saintly Obama refers to xenophobic clingers, typical white persons, stereotypers, and arresters of children on their way to ice-cream parlors."

....."I recall that once upon a time Obama derided fossil fuels, bragging that “millions of new green jobs” would accrue from subsidizing wind and solar power and “bankrupting” coal companies, as energy prices would accordingly “skyrocket.” But then once upon another time, Obama bragged that on his watch we are pumping more oil than ever before, apparently because private firms ignored his pleas and drilled despite his efforts to shut down leasing on public lands. So we are to credit Obama for stopping oil leasing on public lands, which forced greater production on private lands, while being impressed that he lost billions subsidizing doomed solar and wind companies? When the government fails to promote new energy, that constitutes success because those outside the government then must do more? Do the various Obamas represent both the good but failed intention and the bad successful one?"

....."The fringe Birthers made outlandish claims for years that Obama was not born in the United States and therefore was not eligible to be president. But suddenly, after nearly four years of his presidency, we discover that for over a decade and a half Obama’s own publicity bio listed him as Kenyan-born. Why and how did this happen — given that authors customarily write their own autobiographies and have annual opportunities to edit them? Did Obama think that to fudge an identity might make his book on a mixed-race heritage more saleable in 1991, and then himself more exotic as a state legislator and senator in the ensuing 16 years — but for some reason not as a presidential candidate?"

....."Unfortunately, the paradoxes involve more than just the usual flipflopping of all politicians. They strike to the heart of who is, and is not, Barack Hussein Obama."

Two, Three, Many Obamas - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/301119/two-three-many-obamas-victor-davis-hanson?pg=1)

And I certainly hope that you will check out the author of this piece, but there is even more in his FACTUAL and direct article,

But as we were advised today in another thread...just move on and let it be....not to worry about it. He is just the President of the United States. Why would any of this worry us at all

[Guest]

....."I think the president believes that private-equity firms harm the economy and that their CEOs are at best indifferent and sometimes unsympathetic to the struggle of average Americans. I say “I think” because Obama has himself collected millions of dollars from such profit-driven firms, and uses their grandees to raise cash for his reelection. Cynical, hypocritical, or unaware? You decide."

....."I think the president is in favor of publicly funded campaign financing but against super PACs; but again I say “I think” because Obama renounced the former and embraced the latter. Are Guantanamo, renditions, tribunals, and preventive detention constitutional necessities or threats to our security? Some of Obama’s personalities have said they are bad; others apparently believe them to be good."

....."One Barack Obama crisscrosses the country warning us that a sinister elite has robbed from the common good and must atone for destroying the economy. Another Barry Obama hits the golf links in unapologetically aristocratic fashion and prefers Martha’s Vineyard for his vacation. So I am confused about the evil 1 percent. Obama 1 feels they have shorted the country and must now pay their fair share, while Obama 2 feels they are vital allies in helping the poor by attending his $40,000-a-plate campaign dinners."

....."Barry Obama respects those who make billions from Berkshire Hathaway, Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Facebook, but Barack Obama does not respect those who make billions from oil, farming, and construction. Is Wall Street the source of our national problems or the source of the president’s political salvation? There is an Obama who runs against a prep-schooled mansion-living member of the elite; there is another Obama who was a prep-schooled mansion-living member of the elite."

....."I thought one Obama swore to us that borrowing $5 trillion was vital — Keynesian pump priming, stimulus, averting 8 percent–plus unemployment, and all that. But now another Obama claims that his serial $1 trillion deficits are proof not of “growth” of the sort that improved GDP and reduced unemployment, but rather of fiscal discipline that stopped reckless Republican spending. So Obama over the last four years brought both austerity that checked wild Bush spending, and also Keynesian growth that snapped us out of the Bush lethargy? Spending is saving? Record deficits are record fiscal restraint?"

....."Lots of Obamas keep talking about civility and bringing us together; but lots more Obamas talk about punishing our enemies, emphasizing racial differences, and formally organizing supporters by racial groupings. An angelic Obama lectures about the end of red-state/blue-state divides; a less saintly Obama refers to xenophobic clingers, typical white persons, stereotypers, and arresters of children on their way to ice-cream parlors."

....."I recall that once upon a time Obama derided fossil fuels, bragging that “millions of new green jobs” would accrue from subsidizing wind and solar power and “bankrupting” coal companies, as energy prices would accordingly “skyrocket.” But then once upon another time, Obama bragged that on his watch we are pumping more oil than ever before, apparently because private firms ignored his pleas and drilled despite his efforts to shut down leasing on public lands. So we are to credit Obama for stopping oil leasing on public lands, which forced greater production on private lands, while being impressed that he lost billions subsidizing doomed solar and wind companies? When the government fails to promote new energy, that constitutes success because those outside the government then must do more? Do the various Obamas represent both the good but failed intention and the bad successful one?"

....."The fringe Birthers made outlandish claims for years that Obama was not born in the United States and therefore was not eligible to be president. But suddenly, after nearly four years of his presidency, we discover that for over a decade and a half Obama’s own publicity bio listed him as Kenyan-born. Why and how did this happen — given that authors customarily write their own autobiographies and have annual opportunities to edit them? Did Obama think that to fudge an identity might make his book on a mixed-race heritage more saleable in 1991, and then himself more exotic as a state legislator and senator in the ensuing 16 years — but for some reason not as a presidential candidate?"

....."Unfortunately, the paradoxes involve more than just the usual flipflopping of all politicians. They strike to the heart of who is, and is not, Barack Hussein Obama."

Two, Three, Many Obamas - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/301119/two-three-many-obamas-victor-davis-hanson?pg=1)

And I certainly hope that you will check out the author of this piece, but there is even more in his FACTUAL and direct article,

But as we were advised today in another thread...just move on and let it be....not to worry about it. He is just the President of the United States. Why would any of this worry us at allGeez, get a life, will you Bucco. We know you hate Barack Obama; we know you thought he wasn't qualified or experienced enough to be POTUS and that he's no better after three years in office; we know you believe that he will lead the country down the path to socialism or communism and financial ruin; we know you believe he's a foreign national; we know you believe that Saul Alinsky still controls him from the grave; we know you think the only reason that he still doesn't worship at Reverend Wright's church is that it's too far away from the White House; we know you think his foreign policy has caused the U.S. to be hated around the world; we know you believe that Obama is surreptitiously trying to spread the wealth from the rich to the poor; we know you believe the POTUS is a bald-faced liar; we know you haven't changed your opinion in four years....we know you're not going to vote for him!

But for crying out loud, you're going to give yourself an ucler digging up and reading all these articles which say the same thing you've been saying for four years. No one here is going to change their voting intentions as the result of all this "new" information.

My goodness, what are you going to do if any chance Obama wins a second term?

[Guest]

Gosh, I wish you could elaborate just a bit. In any event, the Obama I know is my choice for a second term as the POTUS. Succinct and to the point.

[Guest]

Good for you, VK. Excellent response on your part.

I was really confused by "arresters of children on their way to ice cream parlors". When and where did that happen and what were the circumstances?

Anyhow, excellent post, VK.

[Guest]

Bucco, you have struck a nerve with the progressives.

Keep it up.

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Geez, get a life, will you Bucco. We know you hate Barack Obama; we know you thought he wasn't qualified or experienced enough to be POTUS and that he's no better after three years in office; we know you believe that he will lead the country down the path to socialism or communism and financial ruin; we know you believe he's a foreign national; we know you believe that Saul Alinsky still controls him from the grave; we know you think the only reason that he still doesn't worship at Reverend Wright's church is that it's too far away from the White House; we know you think his foreign policy has caused the U.S. to be hated around the world; we know you believe that Obama is surreptitiously trying to spread the wealth from the rich to the poor; we know you believe the POTUS is a bald-faced liar; we know you haven't changed your opinion in four years....we know you're not going to vote for him!

But for crying out loud, you're going to give yourself an ucler digging up and reading all these articles which say the same thing you've been saying for four years. No one here is going to change their voting intentions as the result of all this "new" information.

My goodness, what are you going to do if any chance Obama wins a second term?

Ok....I am out of there then. I assume that you will be posting the same lecture to those who support him ????/

Oh, and then of course any other subject that you dont want to read ?

I have tried for years to discuss issues....you see what response there is.

From the replies, I suppose time to take my leave !

I promise not to post but want to check back and insure those posters and you know who I speak of with the smart aleck one sentence remarks and non issue posts have been lectured to leave......and that they are honest enough to leave, but somehow I doubt you say ONE SINGLE word to them !!!

[Guest]

Bucco, you have struck a nerve with the progressives.

Keep it up.

No, obvious anti Obama is not welcome so I wish you luck.

[Guest]

Actually, it is Willard who is going to need luck - and a whole lot more...

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Willard will be going down the same path McBush went in '08.

[Guest]

many are in the mode of making sure Obama does not win a second term.

However in the unlikely event he should win, there is only one positive aspect.....in 4 years we can count on him being gone.....

And I would venture a guess there will be no doubt what so ever that the dems will have their last person in the WH for many years as a result.

btk

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Ok....I am out of there then. I assume that you will be posting the same lecture to those who support him ????...Yeah, if anyone keeps posting essentially the same things, I'll probably respond similarly.

I know you think we don't enter into a discussion or debate with you on some of the stuff you post, but speaking for myself there's not a lot to debate. On many of the things you believe are issues, I simply don't agree and having further debate isn't going to do either of us any good.

Take the whole Saul Alinsky thing. Because Alinsky attended a campaign party at Obama's house when he was an old man and Obama was a fledgling politician, do I think that Obama's whole personna, political and social beliefs have been changed as the result? No. You do and that's OK with me. I just don't see much point in discussing it further.

Same with the influence of Reverend Wright on the POTUS. After the crazy minister made his offensive statements, Obama quit the church and was critical of him. I believe and accept Obama's actions. You don't. We disagree. Why debate it further?

Hardly anyone on this forum is going to vote differently in November as the result of some revelation that one of us posts here. But maybe if we all took the time to discuss and debate the really big issues facing the country and the world rather than continually beating up on Obama's character, the time we spend here might be more worthwhile.

I hope you don't take your ball and bat and go home. Sometimes we have fun jabbing at one another. You very often do excellent research which I'm sure benefits all the other members. I'd miss you.

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many are in the mode of making sure Obama does not win a second term.

However in the unlikely event he should win, there is only one positive aspect.....in 4 years we can count on him being gone.....

And I would venture a guess there will be no doubt what so ever that the dems will have their last person in the WH for many years as a result.

btk

You're forgetting about Hillary Clinton waiting in the wings. Hillary and Bill both have favorability ratings in the 70% range. I can't think of any republican that comes close to that rating. If Mitt Romney should come with striking distance, don't be surprised to see Hillary step up to the plate and get on the ticket as VP.

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Yeah, if anyone keeps posting essentially the same things, I'll probably respond similarly.

I know you think we don't enter into a discussion or debate with you on some of the stuff you post, but speaking for myself there's not a lot to debate. On many of the things you believe are issues, I simply don't agree and having further debate isn't going to do either of us any good.

Take the whole Saul Alinsky thing. Because Alinsky attended a campaign party at Obama's house when he was an old man and Obama was a fledgling politician, do I think that Obama's whole personna, political and social beliefs have been changed as the result? No. You do and that's OK with me. I just don't see much point in discussing it further.

Same with the influence of Reverend Wright on the POTUS. After the crazy minister made his offensive statements, Obama quit the church and was critical of him. I believe and accept Obama's actions. You don't. We disagree. Why debate it further?

Hardly anyone on this forum is going to vote differently in November as the result of some revelation that one of us posts here. But maybe if we all took the time to discuss and debate the really big issues facing the country and the world rather than continually beating up on Obama's character, the time we spend here might be more worthwhile.

I hope you don't take your ball and bat and go home. Sometimes we have fun jabbing at one another. You very often do excellent research which I'm sure benefits all the other members. I'd miss you.

Just coming back to check on you....

1. PLEASE tell me the last time I used Wright and/or Alinsky in a serious matter since 2008 ?

2. Anything I post is in the news...ALL OF it. I make nothing up. I invite discussion on any of those issues...ANY OF THEM. I very seldom receive any.

3. I challenge you to find two more people whoever posted on this forum that have begun NON BIAS issue oriented discussion, and then count all the responses received.

4. You have a selective memory and selective targets. I have always invited DISCUSSION ON ANY ISSUE. I do not insult anyone but I notice that your flame on me excluded those who simply come on here to make nasty comments, make up mocking names of any Republican on the planet. I notice you also exclude those who NEVER EVER NOT ONCE engaged in a discussion of even one and issue. Those are the folks who give us the meaningless one liners that they believe means they are engaging in political discussion.

5. You also excluded those who come on here and just make things up...I suppose if it is aimed at certain folks, then that is fine. Obviously you find fault with me challenging folks who do that, but do not feel comfortable ignoring people just making things up (lying if you will).

6. You dont think the Presidents charater is an issue...I do

7. I want to reiterate something. Obama is President of the US. I post thinks from the news concerning him AND YOU FEEL THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT.

What is important VK ? A lecture from you....listen, I happen to love discussing current events.....you obviously are not...you want to discuss what you want to discuss and that is it. YOU will decide what is meaning full and what is not.

And I read the posts that confirmed your position against my posts so my absence should not be construed as taking my bat and ball and going home. Obviously, YOU want to decide what is important and want the forum full of the snide little remarks and name calling.

That is fine with me....but I am not taking my ball and going home...I just do not stay where I obviously make people uncomfortable. I dont lie and I do not make things up and I SURE DO WISH that maybe all of you would have tried to discuss some of the stuff I brought up...could have been fun and most importantly educational, but not to be.

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Yeah, if anyone keeps posting essentially the same things, I'll probably respond similarly.

I know you think we don't enter into a discussion or debate with you on some of the stuff you post, but speaking for myself there's not a lot to debate. On many of the things you believe are issues, I simply don't agree and having further debate isn't going to do either of us any good.

Take the whole Saul Alinsky thing. Because Alinsky attended a campaign party at Obama's house when he was an old man and Obama was a fledgling politician, do I think that Obama's whole personna, political and social beliefs have been changed as the result? No. You do and that's OK with me. I just don't see much point in discussing it further.

Same with the influence of Reverend Wright on the POTUS. After the crazy minister made his offensive statements, Obama quit the church and was critical of him. I believe and accept Obama's actions. You don't. We disagree. Why debate it further?

Hardly anyone on this forum is going to vote differently in November as the result of some revelation that one of us posts here. But maybe if we all took the time to discuss and debate the really big issues facing the country and the world rather than continually beating up on Obama's character, the time we spend here might be more worthwhile.

I hope you don't take your ball and bat and go home. Sometimes we have fun jabbing at one another. You very often do excellent research which I'm sure benefits all the other members. I'd miss you.

A couple of false statements in this post.

First: BHO attended Wright's church for 20 years, and often referred to him as "my trusted friend", and "spiritual advisor".

Second: Obama began his political career in the home of Bill Ayers (Bill Ayers is on video affirming this), the foremost disciple of Saul Alinsky.

Radical home grown terrorist and socialist Bill Ayers and his equally radical wife Bernadette Dohrn, who spent 11 years setting of bombs and putting out propaganda threatening more violent revolution, are only 2 of the radicals associated with Barack Hussein Obama.

I'll continue with a more inclusive list if the 2 above don't suffice to prove my point.