Healthful Blackberries Are In Season (how to make them unhealthy)

[Villages PL]

Delicious healthful blackberries can now be picked locally. It's fun to pick your own, you can save a little money over the store price, and it's nature's supper food.

Blackberries are high in the following:

Vitamin C (just 2 cups of fresh berries will give you your recommended daily allowance (RDA)

Fiber (pectin is good for those who have high cholesterol)

Phytochemicals (ellagic acid is anti-cancer)

Anti-oxidative action helps to control free radicals

In summary, it protects your heart and protects against cancer.

Yesterday, May 30, The Daily Sun couldn't wait to teach people how to cancel-out or destroy all of the above health benefits. They published, in the Lifestyle section, a recipe that calls for adding regular sugar and brown sugar, white flour, butter, with ice cream topping optional. All of these ingredients are responsible for creating the conditions that blackberries are supposed to fight. To me, it doesn't make sense to take one of natures super foods and turn it into junk-food.

Evidently, The Villages Daily Sun doesn't understand what it takes to become "America's Healthiest Hometown". Or else they don't care and are playing to our baser instincts. "America's Healthiest Hometown", is in danger of becoming an empty slogan, if it's not already.

To a significant extent, aging and disease are the result of accumulated free radical induced cell damage, and the new "Health Care Centers" won't be able to reverse it.

For a healthier way of eating blackberries, try mixing them with other fresh fruit and a small sprinkling of chopped walnuts.

[zcaveman]

Delicious healthful blackberries can now be picked locally. It's fun to pick your own, you can save a little money over the store price, and it's nature's supper food.

Blackberries are high in the following:

Vitamin C

Fiber (pectin is good for those who have high cholesterol)

Phytochemicals (ellagic acid is anti-cancer)

Anti-oxidative action helps to control free radicals

In summary, it protects your heart and protects against cancer.

Yesterday, May 30, The Daily Sun couldn't wait to teach people how to cancel-out or destroy all of the above health benefits. They published, in the Lifestyle section, a recipe that calls for adding regular sugar and brown sugar, white flour, butter, with ice cream topping optional. All of these ingredients are responsible for creating the conditions that blackberries are supposed to fight. To me, it doesn't make sense to take one of natures super foods and turn it into junk-food.

Evidently, The Villages Daily Sun doesn't understand what it takes to become "America's Healthiest Hometown". Or else they don't care and are playing to our baser instincts. "America's Healthiest Hometown", is in danger of becoming an empty slogan, if it's not already.

To a significant extent, aging and disease is the result of accumulated free radical induced cell damage, and the new "Health Care Centers" won't be able to reverse it.

For a healthier way of eating blackberries, try mixing them with other fresh fruit and a small sprinkling of chopped walnuts.

I kind of agree with you. But you can make a nice dessert using the recipe from the Daily Sun using the diabetic sugar products. Eating fruit and nuts as a dessert is okay but boring. I like the fresh berries on my cereal and on my sugar free ice cream also.

[Whalen]

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chilout


Talk about taking the J out of Joy!

[ilovetv]

"The condition, which affects equal numbers of men and women, is described as a "fixation on righteous eating".

Experts says sufferers with the obsession for healthy eating tend to be aged over 30, and were middle-class and well-educated.

"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group.

Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, added: “There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia.
“I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."

The condition, named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, involves rigid eating eating which includes not touching sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods.

Any “bad” foods that come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also banned.

The obsession can lead to some sufferers ending up malnourished, lead to pressures in personal relationships and make them become socially isolated......

......“They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure',” she said.

Nutritional consultant Ian Marber, who is also aka The Food Doctor, told the Daily Telegraph earlier this month that the “very worrying phenomenon” was becoming more prevalent in men.

"It's an obsessive fixation on eating so healthily that it becomes dangerous, characterised by feeling proud and superior by virtue of how little one eats,” he said."

Rise in 'orthorexic eating disorders sparked by healthy food obsession' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6038301/Rise-in-orthorexic-eating-disorders-sparked-by-healthy-food-obsession.html)

[Villages PL]

"The condition, which affects equal numbers of men and women, is described as a "fixation on righteous eating".

Experts says sufferers with the obsession for healthy eating tend to be aged over 30, and were middle-class and well-educated.

"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group.

Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, added: “There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia.
“I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."

The condition, named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, involves rigid eating eating which includes not touching sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods.

Any “bad” foods that come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also banned.

The obsession can lead to some sufferers ending up malnourished, lead to pressures in personal relationships and make them become socially isolated......

......“They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure',” she said.

Nutritional consultant Ian Marber, who is also aka The Food Doctor, told the Daily Telegraph earlier this month that the “very worrying phenomenon” was becoming more prevalent in men.

"It's an obsessive fixation on eating so healthily that it becomes dangerous, characterised by feeling proud and superior by virtue of how little one eats,” he said."

Rise in 'orthorexic eating disorders sparked by healthy food obsession' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6038301/Rise-in-orthorexic-eating-disorders-sparked-by-healthy-food-obsession.html)

So, what is your point? What does the above information have to do with this thread?

[Villages PL]

I kind of agree with you. But you can make a nice dessert using the recipe from the Daily Sun using the diabetic sugar products.

What about the white flour and butter (saturated fat).


Eating fruit and nuts as a dessert is okay but boring. I like the fresh berries on my cereal and on my sugar free ice cream also.

Well, I thought it was a lot more than just "okay". In addition to the chopped nuts, I had blackberries, blueberries, cantaloupe and bananna mixed together. I thought it was great! Almost too sweet for my taste. Then, a little bit later, I ate my steal-cut oats separately, lightly salted with an unprocessed salt.

You're not saying that what you do is healthier, just that it's less boring to you.

[Villages PL]

:

Talk about taking the J out of Joy!

I guess that means you don't like fruit unless it has white flour, sugar, butter or other dressings added to it?

[pooh]

So, what is your point? What does the above information have to do with this thread?

Alas, plenty.

[Mikeod]

Evidently, The Villages Daily Sun doesn't understand what it takes to become "America's Healthiest Hometown". Or else they don't care and are playing to our baser instincts. "America's Healthiest Hometown", is in danger of becoming an empty slogan, if it's not already.

Life is a series of choices, some voluntary, some forced upon us. Some of our choices work out well, some not so well. Diet is a personal choice. You have made your choice. Fine. I hope it works well for you. But to categorize those who don't subscribe to your specific dietary regimen as succumbing to baser instincts I find offensive.

[Skip2MySue]

Life is a series of choices, some voluntary, some forced upon us. Some of our choices work out well, some not so well. Diet is a personal choice. You have made your choice. Fine. I hope it works well for you. But to categorize those who don't subscribe to your specific dietary regimen as succumbing to baser instincts I find offensive.

Now you're talking........Meet you at Peachwave:1rotfl:
Skip 2

[Villages PL]

Alas, plenty.

Well, what? I'm waiting.

[ilovetv]

Life is a series of choices, some voluntary, some forced upon us. Some of our choices work out well, some not so well. Diet is a personal choice. You have made your choice. Fine. I hope it works well for you. But to categorize those who don't subscribe to your specific dietary regimen as succumbing to baser instincts I find offensive.

Well said.

[pooh]

Well, what? I'm waiting.
Why do you assume that The Villages isn't a healthy "city?" While the diet plan you follow works well for you and others, it is NOT the only way to eat, nor is it the only healthy way to eat. Villages, you enjoy your food choices. There is absolutely no guarantee that by eating in one particular way that we will live a long life. Life is uncertain, unforeseen accidents happen. We can' t tell all others how to eat, it's presumptuous to assume that our way is the right way, in diet choices, in life choices. It isn't my intention to get into a pi**ing contest over this, I'm not even a fan of berries ....my body just doesn't like them, but others are and they might just enjoy a sweet treat now and then.

As I've said in the past, Live long and prosper.

[graciegirl]

Orthorexia Nervosa:* The Healthy Eating Disorder (http://www.mirror-mirror.org/orthorexia-nervosa.htm)

The above article discusses a condition that is being diagnosed more frequently these days.

We each have a right to choose a healthy diet for ourselves.

I don't think that anyone is going to change their mind about eating choices by this thread.

Extreme views encourage negative responses.

[Ragman]

The American Legion Post at 466 and Rolling Acres is having a blackberry festival this Saturday. See the DS for times.

Everybody enjoy the fresh berries in your own way!

:icon_hungry::icon_hungry::icon_hungry:

[mamagator]

Yummy! Lots of jellies, jams and other good treats at the Festival on Saturday, June 2! See y'all there!

[ilovetv]

It's still a free country and we'll eat as we damn well please.......as in "moderation is the key in everything".

[Villages PL]

Life is a series of choices, some voluntary, some forced upon us. Some of our choices work out well, some not so well. Diet is a personal choice. You have made your choice. Fine. I hope it works well for you.

There's no argument there, I agree that it is a lifestyle choice.


But to categorize those who don't subscribe to your specific dietary regimen as succumbing to baser instincts I find offensive.

That's not exactly what I said but okay, if you want to put it that way. I believe my complaint was directed at the Daily Sun for appealing to our baser instincts. How would you categorize refined sugar, white refined flour, ice cream and butter? Do you think the promotion of those items appeals to our higher instincts?

[Villages PL]

I wish this thread would be closed.

Why close this thread? Because you and others have tried to unsuccessfully change the subject?

The subject was blackberries and the healthful benefits of eating blackberries and the fact that the recipe suggestions in The Daily Sun would only make blackberries less healthful.

Do you disagree with my assertion? If so, give a logical argument instead of wandering off to another subject.

[Villages PL]

It's still a free country and we'll eat as we damn well please.......as in "moderation is the key in everything".

You're off the subject again.

[Mikeod]

There's no argument there, I agree that it is a lifestyle choice.




That's not exactly what I said but okay, if you want to put it that way. I believe my complaint was directed at the Daily Sun for appealing to our baser instincts. How would you categorize refined sugar, white refined flour, ice cream and butter? Do you think the promotion of those items appeals to our higher instincts?

Your complaint was not only directed at the Daily Sun, but also at the developer with the assertion that "Healthiest Hometown" was perhaps an empty phrase. I don't believe the paper, although owned by the developer, is intended to be a health newsletter. The Sun simply published a recipe of a resident that people have enjoyed. It was not published as part of a recommended dietary regimen.

The ingestion of those items you list is a personal choice, for better or worse, and is not a reflection of higher or baser instincts. It is exactly that categorization that I find objectionable.

Your lifestyle, your choice. My lifestyle, my choice. I have not, and will not, denigrate your dietary choices. Do not denigrate mine or others' as succumbing to "baser" instincts.

[graciegirl]

Your complaint was not only directed at the Daily Sun, but also at the developer with the assertion that "Healthiest Hometown" was perhaps an empty phrase. I don't believe the paper, although owned by the developer, is intended to be a health newsletter. The Sun simply published a recipe of a resident that people have enjoyed. It was not published as part of a recommended dietary regimen.

The ingestion of those items you list is a personal choice, for better or worse, and is not a reflection of higher or baser instincts. It is exactly that categorization that I find objectionable.

Your lifestyle, your choice. My lifestyle, my choice. I have not, and will not, denigrate your dietary choices. Do not denigrate mine or others' as succumbing to "baser" instincts.

Thank you. Well said. You are right. Exactly. Yes Sir!! Boy Howdy!

[Villages PL]

Why do you assume that The Villages isn't a healthy "city?"

As long as there's no science behind the assertion that this is "America's Healthiest Hometown", I think it's fair to assume that we are about the same as any other retirement community. The burden of proof belongs to those who make the claim that The Villages deserves a better health status than anywhere else. Where's the proof?

While the diet plan you follow works well for you and others, it is NOT the only way to eat, nor is it the only healthy way to eat.

When did I say that my diet plan is the only way to eat? You made a false assumption. I posted to jimbo what I eat because he asked me. Did I ever say it was the only way?


Villages, you enjoy your food choices. There is absolutely no guarantee that by eating in one particular way that we will live a long life. Life is uncertain, unforeseen accidents happen.

I have been saying that all along since I have been participating on this website. But even if I didn't, why would you assume that I don't believe that accidents can happen?


We can' t tell all others how to eat, it's presumptuous to assume that our way is the right way, in diet choices, in life choices.

I believe it's perfectly okay for me and others to give opinions on what we think is healthy or unhealthy. I believe that's part of what this board is for. That's why it's called "Medical And Health Discussion"


As I've said in the past, Live long and prosper.

I wish you the same.

[Villages PL]

Your complaint was not only directed at the Daily Sun, but also at the developer with the assertion that "Healthiest Hometown" was perhaps an empty phrase.

I went back and reread my opening post and I stand by my opinions. If anyone can show me scientific proof that this is America's healthiest hometown, I will gladly change my opinion. Where's the proof? If there's no proof, then it's just an advertising slogan, in my opinion.

I don't believe the paper, although owned by the developer, is intended to be a health newsletter. The Sun simply published a recipe of a resident that people have enjoyed. It was not published as part of a recommended dietary regimen.

To me it shows that they are not being consistent with their stated goals of being (or becoming) America's healthiest hometown. With a lot of hoopla they announced a new health alliance with USF. I am mearly trying to hold them to their word. The Lifestyle section offers them a unique oportunity to show what their intentions are.

The ingestion of those items you list is a personal choice, for better or worse, and is not a reflection of higher or baser instincts. It is exactly that categorization that I find objectionable.

To me it's like advertising to the community (and beyond) that they have no idea what's healthy and what's not healthy. If life is nothing more than a crap-shoot, why did they start a health alliance with USF?

Sorry that you didn't like my choice of words, but to me that's exactly what I believe they did. They tried to appeal to our baser instincts. They certainly were not encouraging us to eat healthier so that we might become America's healthiest hometown.

[pooh]

As long as there's no science behind the assertion that this is "America's Healthiest Hometown", I think it's fair to assume that we are about the same as any other retirement community. The burden of proof belongs to those who make the claim that The Villages deserves a better health status than anywhere else. Where's the proof?


When did I say that my diet plan is the only way to eat? You made a false assumption. I posted to jimbo what I eat because he asked me. Did I ever say it was the only way?




I have been saying that all along since I have been participating on this website. But even if I didn't, why would you assume that I don't believe that accidents can happen?




I believe it's perfectly okay for me and others to give opinions on what we think is healthy or unhealthy. I believe that's part of what this board is for. That's why it's called "Medical And Health Discussion"




I wish you the same.

You may assume that TV is like any other retirement community, I do not. There are many aspects to being "healthy" VPl, and it isn't always showing lab results that are considered optimal.

What sort of studies do you want done? What criteria will be used to determine health? Why is the developer the "bad guy" so to speak? This community offers lots of activities, programs, sports, community services, things shown to keep people active, healthy and happy. Many other retirement communities do not offer as much.

I do apologize, you have not said your diet is the only way. I've taken some of your words as pontificating and think others may have also.

Time is the true test of what really "does a body good.". Many studies show positive results and those are the ones brought to light. Negatives might not initially show up or if they do, they may be minimized. Over time, a study either continues to prove itself or it is shown that the negatives outweigh the positives.

LL&P, VPl.....I'm starting to sound like a Star Trek movie.....;)

[ariel]

Eating healty is a wonderful thing. There are many opinions on how to do it and avoiding sugar, white flour seems to have many advocates and the support of science. It's also important to enjoy life and "splurging" every once in a while is probably not a bad thing. Especially if it makes us happy. I believe I recall a few studies on the impact of happiness, contentment, moderation in life being linked to health and longevity. I have two people in my life who are extremely concerned with eating - they don't really eat, they "fuel". Going to a nice restaurant, sitting down with friends for a long, leisurely meal is not something they are able to do. They are both extremely intelligent people, very opinionated, and not too tolerant of others who don't subscribe to their beliefs on matters of nutrition and exercise. Their relationships have suffered as a result. It's important to ensure that a balance occurs in our lives so that we don't miss out on something that could enrich us as well as impact our health and well-being.

[Barefoot]

"The condition, which affects equal numbers of men and women, is described as a "fixation on righteous eating".

Experts says sufferers with the obsession for healthy eating tend to be aged over 30, and were middle-class and well-educated.

"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group.

Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, added: “There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia.
“I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in
my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."

The condition, named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, involves rigid eating eating which includes not touching sugar, salt, caffeine,
alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods.

Any “bad” foods that come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also banned.

The obsession can lead to some sufferers ending up malnourished, lead to pressures in personal relationships and make them become socially isolated......

......“They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure',” she said.

Nutritional consultant Ian Marber, who is also aka The Food Doctor, told the Daily Telegraph earlier this month that the “very worrying phenomenon” was becoming more prevalent in men.

"It's an obsessive fixation on eating so healthily that it becomes dangerous, characterised by feeling proud and superior by virtue of how little one eats,” he said."

Rise in 'orthorexic eating disorders sparked by healthy food obsession' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6038301/Rise-in-orthorexic-eating-disorders-sparked-by-healthy-food-obsession.html)

This is a great article and very relevant to the subject of healthy eating.

[graciegirl]

Eating healty is a wonderful thing. There are many opinions on how to do it and avoiding sugar, white flour seems to have many advocates and the support of science. It's also important to enjoy life and "splurging" every once in a while is probably not a bad thing. Especially if it makes us happy. I believe I recall a few studies on the impact of happiness, contentment, moderation in life being linked to health and longevity. I have two people in my life who are extremely concerned with eating - they don't really eat, they "fuel". Going to a nice restaurant, sitting down with friends for a long, leisurely meal is not something they are able to do. They are both extremely intelligent people, very opinionated, and not too tolerant of others who don't subscribe to their beliefs on matters of nutrition and exercise. Their relationships have suffered as a result. It's important to ensure that a balance occurs in our lives so that we don't miss out on something that could enrich us as well as impact our health and well-being.

What a great way to word what I too believe.

We must always, ALWAYS, try to remember that we may be wrong on things that we think we know, have been taught, have always believed.

Keeping an open mind on all issues is good MENTAL health.

And....Villages PL, that goes for YOU, too. You must entertain the idea that you could be wrong on your ideas about a healthy diet and life style. AND that others may be right.

[njbchbum]

villages pl doesn't even have to accept that they might be wrong about anything -it would just be nice if they could simply admit that it is okay for others to have their own ideas about health and nutrition rather than berate them for their views!

don't need to be right or wrong - just need to be accepting of others opinions!

[graciegirl]

villages pl doesn't even have to accept that they might be wrong about anything -it would just be nice if they could simply admit that it is okay for others to have their own ideas about health and nutrition rather than berate them for their views!

don't need to be right or wrong - just need to be accepting of others opinions!

You are right. As usual.

[Villages PL]

You may assume that TV is like any other retirement community, I do not. There are many aspects to being "healthy" VPl, and it isn't always showing lab results that are considered optimal.

No one knows for sure; that's my point. There are many aspects to being healthy, as you said. But that can be turned around, as follows: There are many aspects to being unhealthy as well. For example, some people may feel well but their sense of well-being may be propped up by medications. And too many medications usually spells trouble in the long run.

USF stated, in one of their lectures, that they would eventually compare the results of our health survey with other surveys of other communities. They also said they would have a follow up lecture to give us the results of our survey. I'm waiting.

This community offers lots of activities, programs, sports, community services, things shown to keep people active, healthy and happy. Many other retirement communities do not offer as much.

People usually adapt to whatever is available. I visited a small retirement community in Zepherhills FL one morning (several years ago). I was amazed at how many people where out walking.

Time is the true test of what really "does a body good.". Many studies show positive results and those are the ones brought to light. Negatives might not initially show up or if they do, they may be minimized. Over time, a study either continues to prove itself or it is shown that the negatives outweigh the positives.

I'm glad you brought that up. That's exactly why I always look to large long term studies to keep things in perspective. I'm talking about studies that last 20+ years. One is "The Okinawa Program" and another is "The China Study".

LL&P, VPl.....I'm starting to sound like a Star Trek movie.....;)

Beam me up, Scotty!

[Villages PL]

Eating healty is a wonderful thing. There are many opinions on how to do it and avoiding sugar, white flour seems to have many advocates and the support of science. It's also important to enjoy life and "splurging" every once in a while is probably not a bad thing. Especially if it makes us happy. I believe I recall a few studies on the impact of happiness, contentment, moderation in life being linked to health and longevity. I have two people in my life who are extremely concerned with eating - they don't really eat, they "fuel". Going to a nice restaurant, sitting down with friends for a long, leisurely meal is not something they are able to do. They are both extremely intelligent people, very opinionated, and not too tolerant of others who don't subscribe to their beliefs on matters of nutrition and exercise. Their relationships have suffered as a result. It's important to ensure that a balance occurs in our lives so that we don't miss out on something that could enrich us as well as impact our health and well-being.

In your post above I put the word "moderation" in bold print. Why? I guess it's because I'm fascinated by the concept. Sometimes I wonder what it really means. On average, I go out to eat about twice per month and I call it moderation. Another person might go out to eat once per week and call it moderation. And another might go out to eat twice per week and call it moderation.

As a result, just about everyone claims to practice moderation. Think about that for a minute: Have you ever met anyone who said they don't practice moderation? I have never met such a person. I think it's because the word "moderation" is a relative term and it usually applies to processed foods. So, whatever amount of it we eat, we tend to rationalize and catagorize it as "moderation".

I'm so glad you brought this up because it has to do with my point about sugar and other unhealthful items being put on blackberries. People will say it's okay as long as you practice moderation. Sounds good, doesn't it? Yes, it does, until you realize that the average person in the U.S. consumes 150 lbs. of sugar per year.

Then keep in mind that obesety, diabetes, cancer, and other degenerative diseases are very high and continue climbing.

This is why we certainly don't need The Daily Sun publishing recipes calling for refined sugar, white refined flour, butter and ice cream, especially due to the fact that The Villages claims to be interested in being America's healthiest home town.

[njbchbum]

[snip]
This is why we certainly don't need The Daily Sun publishing recipes calling for refined sugar, white refined flour, butter and ice cream, especially due to the fact that The Villages claims to be interested in being America's healthiest home town.

villages pl - YES WE DO need the d.s. to continue to publish those recipes. and PLEASE stop trying to foist your dietary habits on the rest of us and let us go on our merry SWEET way!

thank you!

[njbchbum]

You are right. As usual.

you are sweet to post that - but my post is a small semantic change from yours. we share the same intention. ;)

[ariel]

In your post above I put the word "moderation" in bold print. Why? I guess it's because I'm fascinated by the concept. Sometimes I wonder what it really means. On average, I go out to eat about twice per month and I call it moderation. Another person might go out to eat once per week and call it moderation. And another might go out to eat twice per week and call it moderation.

As a result, just about everyone claims to practice moderation. Think about that for a minute: Have you ever met anyone who said they don't practice moderation? I have never met such a person. I think it's because the word "moderation" is a relative term and it usually applies to processed foods. So, whatever amount of it we eat, we tend to rationalize and catagorize it as "moderation".

I'm so glad you brought this up because it has to do with my point about sugar and other unhealthful items being put on blackberries. People will say it's okay as long as you practice moderation. Sounds good, doesn't it? Yes, it does, until you realize that the average person in the U.S. consumes 150 lbs. of sugar per year.

Then keep in mind that obesety, diabetes, cancer, and other degenerative diseases are very high and continue climbing.

This is why we certainly don't need The Daily Sun publishing recipes calling for refined sugar, white refined flour, butter and ice cream, especially due to the fact that The Villages claims to be interested in being America's healthiest home town.




It is difficult to define moderation; actually, it’s difficult to quantify most things that are outside the realm of mathematics. My use of the word was more in reference to one’s overall approach to living a healthy lifestyle, i.e. it may be unwise to focus too much attention on any single aspect of ones’ life. A more “moderate” approach for me has been to try and bring multiple things into balance – nutrition, exercise, rest, meditation, relaxation, relationships – what I take from them and what I give back, etc. I’m a work in progress, but the ultimate goal is happiness while I’m here and some positive impact that will, perhaps, live beyond me. I’m very blessed, I’m past 60, have no chronic ailments and feel pretty darn good every day – probably in most part due to heredity, some to good luck, and much to lifestyle and choices. I don’t disagree with much of what you say and your message is valuable. But value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable.

[graciegirl]

Sugar isn't essentially bad for us. It is a component in breast milk. It doesn't matter if we use refined sugar, corn sugar, cane sugar, sugar from nectarines, apples, pears, bananas or an ice cream sundae, it only harms us if we eat too much all of the time.

The bread you eat is good for you but not a heck of a lot different than other forms of carbohydrates which our bodies also need.

Humans are carnivores. We need protein and that is easier to obtain from meat than from nuts etc. It is the excess of fat that harms us in most meats.

Fiber is important too and most folks do not consume enough plant material to get it. But you can get it from taking fiber supplements and eating oat bran cereal too.

Because the human species is so smart we have discovered reliable medicine that will and does extend our lives. There isn't anything wrong with taking medicine prescribed by a qualified physician and a hell of a lot wrong with NOT taking it.

That is what I call a moderate approach.

[rubicon]

What the heck does The Villages have to do with our health. Is there anyone doing anything differently that they would not be doing or have done over the years? I mean cities throughout the country have health centers, bike paths walking paths specialty stores for those health foods we believe assists our longevity. i am dumbfounded when I read someone's post attributing health to living here as if the moment you move into this place all of a sudden all of those nastythings we did to our bodies disappears.

Frankly genetics is the main factor and moderation as the Greeks have told us help. As Irama bombeck once said " Just think two minutes before the Titantic sank some women waved off the dessert cart."

I don't smoke, laugh a lot, drink a glass a wine a day, continue to exercise just as I have done for many years before moving here,,,,and best of all I continue to enjoy my mother's cookiing thanks to an attentive wife.

[Villages PL]

It is difficult to define moderation; actually, it’s difficult to quantify most things that are outside the realm of mathematics. My use of the word was more in reference to one’s overall approach to living a healthy lifestyle, i.e. it may be unwise to focus too much attention on any single aspect of ones’ life. A more “moderate” approach for me has been to try and bring multiple things into balance – nutrition, exercise, rest, meditation, relaxation, relationships – what I take from them and what I give back, etc. I’m a work in progress, but the ultimate goal is happiness while I’m here and some positive impact that will, perhaps, live beyond me. I’m very blessed, I’m past 60, have no chronic ailments and feel pretty darn good every day – probably in most part due to heredity, some to good luck, and much to lifestyle and choices. I don’t disagree with much of what you say and your message is valuable. But value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable.

Thanks, ariel; nice post. I can't find one thing to disagree with, and that's rare. All the things you mentioned like nutrition, exercise, rest, meditation, relaxation, and relationships are the things that I work on and value.

I'm 71 and in excellent health. The first time I went to my new doctor for a check up, he looked at me like he couldn't believe I was so healthy. Everything on my blood test was perfect and my blood pressure was 100/50. So I have never needed any medication. The last time I took an aspirin was in 1979. Sorry to get carried away but being healthy is one of my biggest pleasures in life.

And I feel like my good health is well deserved because I have paid attention to it. Regarding food, I never think in terms of how much I can get away with. Rather, I think in terms of how much good can I do. And that's part of what I enjoy. When I know that a particular food is healthy, I enjoy it all the more by having that thought.

:wave:

[Villages PL]

villages pl - YES WE DO need the d.s. to continue to publish those recipes. and PLEASE stop trying to foist your dietary habits on the rest of us and let us go on our merry SWEET way!

thank you!

I take it you are not a fan of the health alliance between The Villages and USF.

[Villages PL]

Sugar isn't essentially bad for us. It is a component in breast milk.

I have nothing against breast milk. I love breast milk! :1rotfl:

It doesn't matter if we use refined sugar, corn sugar, cane sugar, sugar from nectarines, apples, pears, bananas or an ice cream sundae, it only harms us if we eat too much all of the time.

Your statement is too generalized to be of much help to anyone. But I'll try to give a reply. The problem with refined sugar, corn sugar and cane sugar, is that they represent empty calories. Sugar that comes from fruit contains fiber, vitamins and minerals. Each piece of fruit is balanced buy nature and the fiber slows down the absorbtion of sugar into your blood stream. Non-sweet fruit is better to keep your blood sugar at optimum levels. That's why I choose grapefruit over navel oranges.

Ice cream is one of the worst "foods" a person can eat. It's high calorie with very little food value. If you're looking for calcium or protein there are much better ways of getting those nutrients than by eating ice cream.

The bread you eat is good for you but not a heck of a lot different than other forms of carbohydrates which our bodies also need.

I believe a person should stick to one serving of one starch per meal. In other words, if you're having one serving of white potatoes for dinner, then you shouldn't have bread, corn or rice in the same meal.

Humans are carnivores. We need protein and that is easier to obtain from meat than from nuts etc. It is the excess of fat that harms us in most meats.

I don't know about easier. What's so difficult about getting protein from lentils, beans or split peas, for example. Balanced protein comes from most of the whole foods that we eat. And protein from plant sources has the added value of more fiber. We need at least 25 to 35 grams of fiber per day.

Fiber is important too and most folks do not consume enough plant material to get it. But you can get it from taking fiber supplements and eating oat bran cereal too.

Oat bran and fiber supplements will give you fiber but not the other nutrients you would get from eating natural whole fiber foods.

Because the human species is so smart we have discovered reliable medicine that will and does extend our lives. There isn't anything wrong with taking medicine prescribed by a qualified physician and a hell of a lot wrong with NOT taking it.

Well, that's your judgement call. It's between you and your doctor since I have no idea what your health status is. Personally, I prefer to eat right and hopefully never have to take any medications.

[graciegirl]

You can lead a horse to water but


UNCLE!

[Pturner]

Eating healty is a wonderful thing. There are many opinions on how to do it and avoiding sugar, white flour seems to have many advocates and the support of science. It's also important to enjoy life and "splurging" every once in a while is probably not a bad thing. Especially if it makes us happy. I believe I recall a few studies on the impact of happiness, contentment, moderation in life being linked to health and longevity. I have two people in my life who are extremely concerned with eating - they don't really eat, they "fuel". Going to a nice restaurant, sitting down with friends for a long, leisurely meal is not something they are able to do. They are both extremely intelligent people, very opinionated, and not too tolerant of others who don't subscribe to their beliefs on matters of nutrition and exercise. Their relationships have suffered as a result. It's important to ensure that a balance occurs in our lives so that we don't miss out on something that could enrich us as well as impact our health and well-being.

It is difficult to define moderation; actually, it’s difficult to quantify most things that are outside the realm of mathematics. My use of the word was more in reference to one’s overall approach to living a healthy lifestyle, i.e. it may be unwise to focus too much attention on any single aspect of ones’ life. A more “moderate” approach for me has been to try and bring multiple things into balance – nutrition, exercise, rest, meditation, relaxation, relationships – what I take from them and what I give back, etc. I’m a work in progress, but the ultimate goal is happiness while I’m here and some positive impact that will, perhaps, live beyond me. I’m very blessed, I’m past 60, have no chronic ailments and feel pretty darn good every day – probably in most part due to heredity, some to good luck, and much to lifestyle and choices. I don’t disagree with much of what you say and your message is valuable. But value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable.

Ariel,
You are one smart cookie. I like you and hope to meet you one day.

Oops, did I say cookie? No offense, VPL. :024:

[ariel]

Thanks, PTurner. I hope so too!

[graciegirl]

Thanks, PTurner. I hope so too!

Me too. I want to meet you Ariel.

There are so many good ideas that get presented here and discussing people's views always adds insite to the person. Some just jump off the page with fairness and kindness and quickness.

[njbchbum]

I take it you are not a fan of the health alliance between The Villages and USF.

i give not a flip one way or the other about that health alliance - i have my alliance with my physician, my god and my common sense...has worked well for me for more than 60 years!

[Villages PL]

Ariel,
You are one smart cookie. I like you and hope to meet you one day.

Oops, did I say cookie? No offense, VPL. :024:

No offense taken, Pturner. A "smart cookie" means the person (usually a woman) is clever in dealing with difficult situations. I would say, "it takes one to know one". How do you like that?

I would guess you are refering to her statement that, "value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable." I understand it and agree with it. The problem is I often don't have the time to stop and think how to make the message more comfortable. What in particular would you like to see changed?

[graciegirl]

No offense taken, Pturner. A "smart cookie" means the person (usually a woman) is clever in dealing with difficult situations. I would say, "it takes one to know one". How do you like that?

I would guess you are refering to her statement that, "value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable." I understand it and agree with it. The problem is I often don't have the time to stop and think how to make the message more comfortable. What in particular would you like to see changed?

Well that was a general question posed to another person, but I for one wish what you would change about the delivery is to somehow not care so much and talk so much about what is happening outside your own choices of food. The Villages Inc...I doubt will change their marketing. People won't probably change their food choices due to what they read on TOTV and you won't change your attitude and ideas about what YOU think is healthy and unhealthy to do, eat and choose.

People who know how to interact with others successfully and sometimes teach them something and change their minds usually give "I messages". This is what I think and avoid being critical of another's views.

But first we have to entertain the idea that we could be wrong in some of our ideas. And you have to entertain the idea that you could be wrong in some of your ideas.

The last one to turn out the lights wins I guess in this argument.

[Villages PL]

You can lead a horse to water but

Yes, I know. But someone has been dumping refined sugar, white refined flour and ice cream in the water. Horses aren't dumb; they want fresh (pure) water.

[zcaveman]

Village PL - just a question. Have you ever considered asking the Daily Sun to give you an interview so you can explain the values of healthy eating and some of the menus that you have set up for yourself - menus that would benefit TV for a healthier living community?

With TOTV you are only getting to a select few. With the Daily Sun you would get to a multitude of readers.

Z

[Villages PL]

Well that was a general question posed to another person, but I for one wish what you would change about the delivery is to somehow not care so much and talk so much about what is happening outside your own choices of food.

Why is that? Is "food choice" like the choice of religion? Is it politically incorrect to voice one's opinion about food? If you can tell me what I should care about and talk about, would it be okay if I tell you what to care about and talk about?

The Villages Inc...I doubt will change their marketing. People won't probably change their food choices due to what they read on TOTV and you won't change your attitude and ideas about what YOU think is healthy and unhealthy to do, eat and choose.

I don't know where you get that from. The biggest change in my diet came about because a man on another website recommended a book to me. He knew that I was interested in health and nutrition. He worked in a library at the time and was always reading books about politics, economics, health etc.. So he sent me a message on the board asking me if I would read "The China Study" and give him my opinion of it. I said yes but thought to myself, "ho hum, just another health book". But when I finally got around to reading the book, I was amazed at the information it contained. And that's what caused me to change my diet to vegan. A few years before that, a young woman (on another website) told me about "The Okinawa Program" and that had a profound affect on my lifestyle too. So I don't know how you can be so sure that you know me well enough to know that I will never change.

To be continued:

[Villages PL]

People who know how to interact with others successfully and sometimes teach them something and change their minds usually give "I messages". This is what I think and avoid being critical of another's views.

I wish you would give me a few examples from this thread because I'm not sure what you mean. However, I will say this: You should experience what it feels like to have everyone gang up on you. When that happens to me, I tend to become more forceful or more direct than I otherwise would be.

But first we have to entertain the idea that we could be wrong in some of our ideas. And you have to entertain the idea that you could be wrong in some of your ideas.

I know I can be wrong, but you have to prove it to me before I accept it. This is one reason why I probably won't show up for the monthly meetings at Crispers. I feel it would only serve as an impediment to telling the truth. And I don't want to compromise the truth as I see it.

Once you, Ariel, and Pturner get together, for example, if you ever do, I believe none of you would ever disagree with the others. You would have to think about what it would do to the friendship.
As a result, intellectual integrity could be compromised.

[njbchbum]

[snip]
Once you, Ariel, and Pturner get together, for example, if you ever do, I believe none of you would ever disagree with the others. You would have to think about what it would do to the friendships.
As a result, intellectual integrity may be compromised.

you can't or wouldn't honestly believe that if you have read the posts here on totv beyond the current thread!

most of the posters here have found the way to respectfully agree to disagree - even in the political forum! ;)

many here have very strong opinions, such as yourself, and have found a way to be accepting of others who share equally strong opinions. for we all realize that without differing opinions we may never learn from others. and that learning has often led to even stronger friendships - without a compromise in intellectual integrity - because we simply accept that there are differing opinions, beliefs, ethics, etc that add to the wonderful diversity of the villages, totv and afternoon respite at crispers.

[Villages PL]

Village PL - just a question. Have you ever considered asking the Daily Sun to give you an interview so you can explain the values of healthy eating and some of the menus that you have set up for yourself - menus that would benefit TV for a healthier living community?

With TOTV you are only getting to a select few. With the Daily Sun you would get to a multitude of readers.

Z

Thanks, caveman, I appreciate your confidence in me but I don't believe I could do it and, anyway, I don't think the newspaper would be interested in what I would have to say. If I were to be true to what I believe, I would trash all processed foods. And those foods would be the very foods they advertise and promote.

The Daily Sun publishes weekly health columns written by people they can count on not to cross a certain line. That's because the writers know if they cross that line, their columns could be canceled.

[Whatever]

Life is a series of choices, some voluntary, some forced upon us. Some of our choices work out well, some not so well. Diet is a personal choice. You have made your choice. Fine. I hope it works well for you. But to categorize those who don't subscribe to your specific dietary regimen as succumbing to baser instincts I find offensive.

That's why there is chocolate and vanilla.:p

[Villages PL]

That's why there is chocolate and vanilla.:p

Yes, I use chocolate. I buy bakers chocolate that is located in the cooking isle at Walmart. It has no sugar or milk added. It's just pure chocolate. Some mornings when I make my oatmeal I put a little of it in the oatmeal and stir it around. It tastes good and provides lots of antioxidants. Yum!

I hesitate to mention this on the internet because if more people do it the price will go up. Oh well, I'll take my chances. :)

:wave:

[Barefoot]

Yes, I use chocolate. I buy bakers chocolate that is located in the cooking isle at Walmart. It has no sugar or milk added. It's just pure chocolate. Some mornings when I make my oatmeal I put a little of it in the oatmeal and stir it around. It tastes good and provides lots of antioxidants. Yum! I hesitate to mention this on the internet because if more people do it the price will go up.

I won't be joining the stampede to put unsweetened chocolate on oatmeal. :mornincoffee: But perhaps you'll start a new trend. :mmmm:

[pooh]

Thanks, caveman, I appreciate your confidence in me but I don't believe I could do it and, anyway, I don't think the newspaper would be interested in what I would have to say. If I were to be true to what I believe, I would trash all processed foods. And those foods would be the very foods they advertise and promote.

The Daily Sun publishes weekly health columns written by people they can count on not to cross a certain line. That's because the writers know if they cross that line, their columns could be canceled.
Where was the article on "green smoothies?" Wasn't it in the Sun?

Getting rid of all processed foods is easier to say than to do IMHO....there are huge numbers of people to feed in this world and it's up to individuals to regulate their dietary intake.

You and I disagree on a few points, ...in my estimation processed foods are not culprits. They are there to help provide sustenance to large numbers of people. Some processing helps food travel long distances, stay usable for longer periods. It was mentioned that today's modern family isn't the same as families from times gone by....now both parents may be working, not necessarily because they want to, but because they need to. Time is at a premium, and frankly, younger adults may not give a rat's a** about food...they just know they have to eat, they have to feed the kids and there is still SOOOO much to do, so.....it's a quick trip to the drive thru.

Tell me, have you always been this particular about what you ingest? Honestly? Over time, maybe others will decide that they aren't particularly satisfied with what they eat, they may want to follow whatever diet trend is in fashion and maybe that trend offers better food choices than what you feel are currently poor choices.

Not sure if you remember the movie "Sleeper" with Woodie Allen. Here's some lines from the movie that I always thought funny, but who knows.... ;)

Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk."
Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.
Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?
Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.
Dr. Melik: Incredible.

[pooh]

I won't be joining the stampede to put unsweetened chocolate on oatmeal. :mornincoffee: But perhaps you'll start a new trend. :mmmm:

Can I skip the oatmeal? It doesn't like me....but I'll take the chocolate....ANYTIME... ;)

[cathyw]

Thanks for the suggestion. I usually use fruit but I've been getting bored so I was looking for a change. I always have 85% chocolate in the house (not as healthy as bakers , but not as bitter) I'm looking forward to trying it in oatmeal

[Villages PL]

Where was the article on "green smoothies?" Wasn't it in the Sun?

If it was, I missed it. But I did read something about green smoothies in a book. It was written by a woman who likes consuming lots of leafy greens but didn't want to do all the chewing. A special machine was needed to liquify the greens. But it's not for me because I don't believe in drinking my food. Chewing, in my opinion, is an important first step in the digestive process.

Getting rid of all processed foods is easier to say than to do IMHO....there are huge numbers of people to feed in this world and it's up to individuals to regulate their dietary intake.

It won't happen in our life-time, if ever. I'm not worrying about the whole world. I basically just try to do what I think is right for myself and then try to set a good example for others.

You and I disagree on a few points, ...in my estimation processed foods are not culprits. They are there to help provide sustenance to large numbers of people. Some processing helps food travel long distances, stay usable for longer periods.

A good example would be Twinkies. A freighter full of Twinkies could travel around the world 25 times and still be "edible". So they say; I've never tried it.


It was mentioned that today's modern family isn't the same as families from times gone by....now both parents may be working, not necessarily because they want to, but because they need to. Time is at a premium, and frankly, younger adults may not give a rat's a** about food...they just know they have to eat, they have to feed the kids and there is still SOOOO much to do, so.....it's a quick trip to the drive thru.

We all make mistakes along the way. But parents who are busy working, etc., don't have to bring home donuts, soft drinks and potato chips. A glass of water from the tap doesn't take long to prepare. And a whole potato can be popped into the microwave instead of eating potato chips. There are ways of doing things if people would just stop and think.

ell me, have you always been this particular about what you ingest? Honestly? Over time, maybe others will decide that they aren't particularly satisfied with what they eat, they may want to follow whatever diet trend is in fashion and maybe that trend offers better food choices than what you feel are currently poor choices.

Well, it's difficult to say. I got interested at a young age but I didn't always practice a healthy diet. It's been a work in progress. It's been a long slow transition.

To be continued:

[Villages PL]

Not sure if you remember the movie "Sleeper" with Woodie Allen. Here's some lines from the movie that I always thought funny, but who knows.... ;)

Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk."
Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.
Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?
Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.
Dr. Melik: Incredible.

I didn't see that one but I'm sure it was funny. I like Woodie Allen movies. I saw one of his movies not too long ago in The Villages. What was the title? "Paris"? Anyway, it took place in Paris and I thought it was great.

[ariel]

Once you, Ariel, and Pturner get together, for example, if you ever do, I believe none of you would ever disagree with the others. You would have to think about what it would do to the friendship.
As a result, intellectual integrity could be compromised.[/QUOTE]

Not fair. I don't know either Graciegirl or PTurner, however I'd like to meet them both. I'l like to meet you also VillagesPL. And I think I've stated here that I agree with much that you say. I like discussions; spirted ones are great. I have assumed, from what you say, that you are interested in spreading the word about good nutrition - perhaps I've misunderstood?

I had a supervisor once who was a very wise lady. The job we were doing depended a lot on influencing others, as opposed to having any power over them, to effect change. One of her favorite messages was "you can catch a whole lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar".

[Villages PL]

Not fair. I don't know either Graciegirl or PTurner, however I'd like to meet them both. I'l like to meet you also VillagesPL. And I think I've stated here that I agree with much that you say. I like discussions; spirted ones are great. I have assumed, from what you say, that you are interested in spreading the word about good nutrition - perhaps I've misunderstood?

I had a supervisor once who was a very wise lady. The job we were doing depended a lot on influencing others, as opposed to having any power over them, to effect change. One of her favorite messages was "you can catch a whole lot more flies with honey than you can with vinegar".

I didn't say it WOULD compromise intellectual integrity, I said it MAY compromise intellectual integrity. I have no way of knowing for sure one way or the other. You're right, it's not fair. I said what I said because I had a bad experience on another message board.

I'm glad to hear that you like spirited discussions because that's what they usuall turn out to be. And, yes, I do like to spread the word about good nutrition.

I think if I had to choose between honey and vinegar, I would definitly choose the honey. Although sometimes I tend to feel as though people will miss the point if I say it too nicely. Sometimes the truth about health just isn't nice. For example, if I say that something causes or promotes cancer, there will likely be some who will not like hearing it. What can I do about that? Some things can't be sugar coated, in my opinion.

P.S. I'd like to meet you sometime too.

[Villages PL]

Can I skip the oatmeal? It doesn't like me....but I'll take the chocolate....ANYTIME... ;)

I'd like to know what you usually eat for breakfast (don't forget to include portion sizes).

[pooh]

I'd like to know what you usually eat for breakfast (don't forget to include portion sizes).
Some days it's a bowl of Cheerios, never really measured, but I fill my bowl about half way. Pour on fat free Lactaid milk, put a thin slice of rye/pumpernickel swirl bread in the toaster. Top that with about two teaspoons of Nutella or peanut butter. Sometimes about 1/2 to 3/4 cup of sliced watermelon or half a small apple, or half an orange and maybe a small container of Greek yogurt ( about 4 ounces). Other days it might be eggs, two whites, one yolk. Every once in a while, a single slice of bacon with the eggs. Do have that thin slice of toast, too. If I'm going to be busy until after my body wants lunch, I'll have an egg, cereal, toast and yogurt.

May be more fat and protein than you eat, but It works for me. My body needs animal protein, I just don't get enough sustenance from a more plant based eating plan....believe me, I've tried it over the years.

[Pturner]

Ariel,
You are one smart cookie. I like you and hope to meet you one day.

Oops, did I say cookie? No offense, VPL. :024:

No offense taken, Pturner. A "smart cookie" means the person (usually a woman) is clever in dealing with difficult situations. I would say, "it takes one to know one". How do you like that?

I would guess you are refering to her statement that, "value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable." I understand it and agree with it. The problem is I often don't have the time to stop and think how to make the message more comfortable. What in particular would you like to see changed?

:wave: Villages PL,
I apologize if my post offended you, as it was not my intent at all.

When I said no offense to you for saying she's a smart "cookie," I was trying to make a play on word, i.e., cookie usually brings to mind a sweet treat with um ... sugar and butter. You don't like sugar and butter. I meant it as a light-hearted joke. Apparently it did not come across that way. I truly am sorry.

p.s., Thanks for saying I'm a smart cookie, even though I apparently wasn't.

[quirky3]

I didn't say it WOULD compromise intellectual integrity, I said it MAY compromise intellectual integrity. I have no way of knowing for sure one way or the other. You're right, it's not fair. I said what I said because I had a bad experience on another message board.

I'm glad to hear that you like spirited discussions because that's what they usuall turn out to be. And, yes, I do like to spread the word about good nutrition.

I think if I had to choose between honey and vinegar, I would definitly choose the honey. Although sometimes I tend to feel as though people will miss the point if I say it too nicely. Sometimes the truth about health just isn't nice. For example, if I say that something causes or promotes cancer, there will likely be some who will not like hearing it. What can I do about that? Some things can't be sugar coated, in my opinion.

P.S. I'd like to meet you sometime too.

VillagesPL, I was thinking about how strongly you feel about good nutrition and the effects of bad nutrition on the body. Maybe one parallel would be smoking. People are free to choose to smoke, it's definitely not good for them, and most people understand and accept the consequences on their own body. But if you have had a loved one die from the effects of smoking, you may express your passion for non-smoking because of your wish to save lives. I am reminded of the new TV commercials that are pretty shocking about the impacts of smoking.
So in that context, I understand and appreciate your postings. Even if just a few people improve their diet, that will also improve the quality of their lives, and imho you will be the silent hero.

[graciegirl]

VillagesPL, I was thinking about how strongly you feel about good nutrition and the effects of bad nutrition on the body. Maybe one parallel would be smoking. People are free to choose to smoke, it's definitely not good for them, and most people understand and accept the consequences on their own body. But if you have had a loved one die from the effects of smoking, you may express your passion for non-smoking because of your wish to save lives. I am reminded of the new TV commercials that are pretty shocking about the impacts of smoking.
So in that context, I understand and appreciate your postings. Even if just a few people improve their diet, that will also improve the quality of their lives, and imho you will be the silent hero.

You are right, Quirky, and kind too. But I really do not think that people will change due to these posts, if anything it may turn folks off from really knowing more about healthy food choices because VillagesFl and Jimbo's choices are extreme. It is obvious that they think that they are helping all of us but what it is doing to me is turning me off.

I am watching someone close to me die of lung cancer, but I have not typed a letter about the dangers of smoking. My husband and I got really good results to our usual testing and six month check up yesterday but I don't feel I have a right to say how we eat in detail.

I feel that the freedom to choose for oneself is sacred and I don't feel that repeating, emphazising, sharing, continuing on the same subject, quoting nutritionists and starting threads on the same subjects is educating, promoting ideas or changing anyone's mind.

What it is for many of us is just annoying us. There is more than one way to skin a cat and there are many choices for a healthy life style and in my opinion not just one is right. Any improvement is good. But who is to say what is an improvement?

We are all grown ups here. I feel very sure that both VillagesFl and Jimbo are sincere and mean well. But I don't think that what is happening is what they hope will happen, that people will change to their way of eating and living.

Just my humble opinion.

[quirky3]

You are right, Quirky, and kind too. But I really do not think that people will change due to these posts, if anything it may turn folks off from really knowing more about healthy food choices because VillagesFl and Jimbo's choices are extreme. It is obvious that they think that they are helping all of us but what it is doing to me is turning me off.

I am watching someone close to me die of lung cancer, but I have not typed a letter about the dangers of smoking. My husband and I got really good results to our usual testing and six month check up yesterday but I don't feel I have a right to say how we eat in detail.

I feel that the freedom to choose for oneself is sacred and I don't feel that repeating, emphazising, sharing, continuing on the same subject, quoting nutritionists and starting threads on the same subjects is educating, promoting ideas or changing anyone's mind.

What it is for many of us is just annoying us. There is more than one way to skin a cat and there are many choices for a healthy life style and in my opinion not just one is right. Any improvement is good. But who is to say what is an improvement?

We are all grown ups here. I feel very sure that both VillagesFl and Jimbo are sincere and mean well. But I don't think that what is happening is what they hope will happen, that people will change to their way of eating and living.

Just my humble opinion.

Gracie, I really think it depends on the individual. I know that as a result of these exchanges, I have thought about nutrition more seriously, re-examined my weekly grocery shopping list, and am taking the topic a little more seriously. I see VillagesPL and Jimbo as people who care a lot, and find that touching. For me, the message is more important than the messenger or their style.

[graciegirl]

You have a point. I can't help being annoyed.

[ilovetv]

Those of us who have lived for decades with relatives and friends who are eating disordered--anorexic, bulimic and orthorexic--see that their obsession with bizarre eating rituals and yes, sadistic treatment of oneself is sick and self-destructive.

Dining and living with these people turns into the same thing as living with an alcoholic or crack addict. Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston are prime examples of those, who were also vegetarians/vegans. A lot of good their food religion did for them!

[Barefoot]

I feel that the freedom to choose for oneself is sacred and I don't feel that repeating, emphazising, sharing, continuing on the same subject, quoting nutritionists and starting threads on the same subjects is educating, promoting ideas or changing anyone's mind. What it is for many of us is just annoying us.

I do think that Villages PL has made many good points and is a sincere messenger for a healthy lifestyle.

However I agree with Gracie that there is something annoying about being told that my food choices will put me in an early grave. And I shouldn't call Emergency unless I'm eating nothing but twigs, sticks and weeds every day! :icon_wink:

I think JOY IN YOUR LIFE is the single most important aspect of a healthy life. Bountiful eating and drinking with friends can be a joyous occasion. Who are we to say it's wrong?

[Villages PL]

I do think that Villages PL has made many good points and is a sincere messenger for a healthy lifestyle.

However I agree with Gracie that there is something annoying about being told that my food choices will put me in an early grave. And I shouldn't call Emergency unless I'm eating nothing but twigs, sticks and weeds every day! :icon_wink:

I think JOY IN YOUR LIFE is the single most important aspect of a healthy life. Bountiful eating and drinking with friends can be a joyous occasion. Who are we to say it's wrong?

The results of a long term study that began in the early 1920s and just concluded about a year or two ago, stated that the single biggest personality trait for health and longevity is "conscientiousness". It makes sense when you think about it. Conscientiousness covers just about everything we do in life.

When the study started, the participants were about 11 years old and a few of them are still living. The study kept track of them as they progressed through life. Those who were the most conscientious were the most successful, healthy and long lived.

[Villages PL]

Some days it's a bowl of Cheerios, never really measured, but I fill my bowl about half way. Pour on fat free Lactaid milk, put a thin slice of rye/pumpernickel swirl bread in the toaster. Top that with about two teaspoons of Nutella or peanut butter. Sometimes about 1/2 to 3/4 cup of sliced watermelon or half a small apple, or half an orange and maybe a small container of Greek yogurt ( about 4 ounces). Other days it might be eggs, two whites, one yolk. Every once in a while, a single slice of bacon with the eggs. Do have that thin slice of toast, too. If I'm going to be busy until after my body wants lunch, I'll have an egg, cereal, toast and yogurt.

May be more fat and protein than you eat, but It works for me. My body needs animal protein, I just don't get enough sustenance from a more plant based eating plan....believe me, I've tried it over the years.

Thanks, very interesting. When I first moved to the Villages I was following the Zone philosophy, so I ate eggs for breakfast. I would buy a few dozen eggs at a time and I would hard-boil one dozen at a time in a large pan. I would eat 3 egg whites for breakfast and dispose of the yolks. Then I'd put the rest of the cooked eggs in the refrigerator for later use. I'm sure I had fruit, nuts and some kind of starch too. I might have had an egg white as part of a snack before or after a workout too.

The difference now is that I don't worry as much about getting enough protein. The Zone diet was known as being high in protein for those who were trying to lose weight. I'm not trying to lose weight so I can get by on less.

[Villages PL]

:wave: Villages PL,
I apologize if my post offended you, as it was not my intent at all.

When I said no offense to you for saying she's a smart "cookie," I was trying to make a play on word, i.e., cookie usually brings to mind a sweet treat with um ... sugar and butter. You don't like sugar and butter. I meant it as a light-hearted joke. Apparently it did not come across that way. I truly am sorry.

p.s., Thanks for saying I'm a smart cookie, even though I apparently wasn't.

No, I don't think I was offended as much as I was feeling discouraged because I felt like too many people were piling on. But I wasn't quite sure, so it's nice of you to let me know what your intentions were. I feel a lot better now and I hope you do to. Let's not give it another thought.

[Villages PL]

VillagesPL, I was thinking about how strongly you feel about good nutrition and the effects of bad nutrition on the body. Maybe one parallel would be smoking. People are free to choose to smoke, it's definitely not good for them, and most people understand and accept the consequences on their own body. But if you have had a loved one die from the effects of smoking, you may express your passion for non-smoking because of your wish to save lives. I am reminded of the new TV commercials that are pretty shocking about the impacts of smoking.
So in that context, I understand and appreciate your postings. Even if just a few people improve their diet, that will also improve the quality of their lives, and imho you will be the silent hero.

Wow! That's very nice of you to say. I almost don't know what to say because I'm bad at taking compliments. I'm better at ducking tomatoes. :duck:

I know how bad smoking is because I started smoking when I was very young. At 12 years old I was just beginning to smoke. The kids in the neighborhood would all chip in to by a pack. If I remember correctly, a pack was about 20 cents. I would go to the corner grocery store and tell the owner I was buying them for my father (no one in my family smoked). I don't think it was against the law to sell to kids and I didn't know any better. If they had had a law like that inforced back then, it might have saved me from taking up smoking. So, today, I appreciate everything that's being done to help keep kids from smoking.

I quit smoking when I was 30.

[Villages PL]

About 3 or 4 days ago, I discovered that I had neglected an important part of the story about Blackberries. You know, the story in the Daily Sun with the recipe.

One of the best things about Blackberries is the very high vitamin C content. Two cups will give you 100% of your recommended daily allowance (RDA).
The recipe for Blackberry crisp calls for baking in the oven at 375 for 20 to 25 minutes, or until filling is bubbly.

Vitamin C is very sensitive to heat and light so there's no telling how much of it gets destroyed by baking.

The End.

[jblum315]

I really don't think anyone eats pie or cobbler of any kind for health reasons.

[Villages PL]

I really don't think anyone eats pie or cobbler of any kind for health reasons.

I agree. However, being that this is the "Medical and Health Discussion" board, I assume that most people here are interested in health.

[njbchbum]

The results of a long term study that began in the early 1920s and just concluded about a year or two ago, stated that the single biggest personality trait for health and longevity is "conscientiousness". It makes sense when you think about it. Conscientiousness covers just about everything we do in life.

When the study started, the participants were about 11 years old and a few of them are still living. The study kept track of them as they progressed through life. Those who were the most conscientious were the most successful, healthy and long lived.

i certainly can agree with the concept of conscientiousness! i am absolutely conscientious whenever i am eating to live AND when i am living to eat! :)

[njbchbum]

I really don't think anyone eats pie or cobbler of any kind for health reasons.

jblum - eating pie or cobbler is often good for my mental health! ;)

[Villages PL]

i certainly can agree with the concept of conscientiousness! i am absolutely conscientious whenever i am eating to live AND when i am living to eat! :)

"Dying to eat" is good too, as long as one does not eat and then die as a consequence. ;)