Voter Roll Purge in Florida

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All 67 county Supervisors of Elections suspend Gov Rick Scott's purge of voters. Even after Scott was ordered to cease and desist by the US Justice Department, he vowed to continue in violation of the Voters Right Act of 1965 and the National Voter Registration Act. Gov Scott has turned Florida once again into the laughting stock of the country. He needs to be prosecuted.


All 67 Florida Election Supervisors Suspend Voter Purge (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/02/494088/all-67-florida-election-supervisors-suspend-governor-rick-scotts-voter-purge/)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/02/opinion/blow-darkness-in-the-sunshine-state.html?_r=1&smid=tw-share

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why is it a bad thing to purge the rolls of unqualified voters??

btk

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I think you know the answer to your question, btk. No purging and no ID's. So much easier to cheat that way. Remember it is not who votes, it is who counts the votes.

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It is quite obvious why Holder's Department of Justice is interferring with Florida's attempt to purge its list of deceased, felons and foreigners. I have no love for our governor but I wish him well in this endeavor. The other issue raised with an outdated list is the fact that photo ideas become all the more important. Finally Holder apparently fears loss of these votes so what does that say about an Obama election? Hmmmmmmmmm

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Voter-Purge List Appears Flawed | TheLedger.com (http://www.theledger.com/article/20120525/POLITICS/120529540)

http://www.northescambia.com/2012/06/elections-supervisors-back-off-voter-purges-for-now

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why is it a bad thing to purge the rolls of unqualified voters??

btk

Have you seen any of the people that are getting these letters on TV? How about the 91 year old, World War Two, purple heart winning, veteran who was born in Brooklyn and has voted in Florida for over a decade? How about the woman, born in Ohio, who has voted in Florida for forty years? Yesterday's newspaper mentioned one fellow that got a letter is a self confessed schitzophrenic, who said he never registered to vote and never voted.

Obviously the 67 county Supervisors of Elections, who hold elected office, do not want to be prosecuted and sent to federal prison, but the governor thinks he is above the law, as he has demonstrated many times before.

State Defies Federal Warning To Halt Voter Purge:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/florida-voter-purge-federal-warning_n_1564131.html

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Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_(voter_suppression))

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why is it a bad thing to purge the rolls of unqualified voters??

btk

It is NOT if they really are unqualified. However, the method they are using appears to be faulty and violates another long standing law.

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It is quite obvious why Holder's Department of Justice is interferring with Florida's attempt to purge its list of deceased, felons and foreigners. I have no love for our governor but I wish him well in this endeavor. The other issue raised with an outdated list is the fact that photo ideas become all the more important. Finally Holder apparently fears loss of these votes so what does that say about an Obama election? Hmmmmmmmmm

It appears they are after Hispanics could it be because the Republican nominee has a BIG problem with that segment of the population.?

They are NOT going after the dead or felons....just World War II Purple Heart holders.

Have you forgotten about an election, in 2000, which tipped on what 575 votes after another famous Florida voter purge?

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All voters in all states should be vetted. There are too many illegal voters period.

"Damn the inconvenience, full speed ahead"

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All voters in all states should be vetted. There are too many illegal voters period.

"Damn the inconvenience, full speed ahead"

Richie.... I guess it depends on who is being inconvenienced...I just dashed off another email to COS TSA because they still don't have a scanner. As I just returned to Colorado the lack of a scanner at my local airport is a big deal. Its another 5 months of trekking to DEN to fly out.

BTW, the actual level of voter fraud in Florida is very low. The head of the Republican party in Florida could only site on instance during a recent interview.

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All voters in all states should be vetted. There are too many illegal voters period.

"Damn the inconvenience, full speed ahead"

I agree with you Richie, if the election officials were doing their jobs there would be no need to purge because the voting lists would be accurate and up to date. If they are complaining the election officials should be replaced. And I have NO respect for the US Attorney General who seems to oppose anything and everything that makes sense.

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I also do not care about the isolated 91 year old this or that or if someones toes get stepped on by accident or somebody's feelings get hurt in the process......the fact of the matter there is a problem with voter fraud in Fl. It has been recognized. A plan has been approved. Most people who want good, genuine election results are in favor of the cleansing of a system that ALLOWS fraud.

Once again showing the onsey twosey examples are in no way justification for not doing the right thing....getting rid of names and people who do not belong on the voter list.....for those who are against doing this I still have not heard any answer stating why it is OK to have non qualified voters on the polls.

Under the current administration it seems where ever there is opportunity for fraud to be eliminated there is always a reason why NOTHING gets done about it.

Examples?
Tolerating/allowing Illegal immigrants!!
Tolerating/allowing Medicare fraud!!

and many more. WHY? If it is illegal and or wrong why is it not OK to fix it?

btk

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I agree with you Richie, if the election officials were doing their jobs there would be no need to purge because the voting lists would be accurate and up to date. If they are complaining the election officials should be replaced. And I have NO respect for the US Attorney General who seems to oppose anything and everything that makes sense.

Gov Rick Scott would fire all 67 County Supervisors of Elections today if he could. Unfortunately for him they are elected officials. If Scott knew anything about the National Voter Registration Act of 1992, he would know that the deadline for purging the voter rolls had already passed for the 2012 election cycle. You can't fire people for abiding by the law. Once again, Scott shows that he believes that he is above the law, which he has proven over and over.

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I also do not care about the isolated 91 year old this or that or if someones toes get stepped on by accident or somebody's feelings get hurt in the process......the fact of the matter there is a problem with voter fraud in Fl. It has been recognized. A plan has been approved. Most people who want good, genuine election results are in favor of the cleansing of a system that ALLOWS fraud.

Once again showing the onsey twosey examples are in no way justification for not doing the right thing....getting rid of names and people who do not belong on the voter list.....for those who are against doing this I still have not heard any answer stating why it is OK to have non qualified voters on the polls.

Under the current administration it seems where ever there is opportunity for fraud to be eliminated there is always a reason why NOTHING gets done about it.

Examples?
Tolerating/allowing Illegal immigrants!!
Tolerating/allowing Medicare fraud!!

and many more. WHY? If it is illegal and or wrong why is it not OK to fix it?

btk

And who's company commited the largest Medicare fraud in United States history? Ding, ding, ding. That's correct. Governor Rick Scott. Of course, he knew nothing about it seeing that he was only the CEO. Either he is the biggest contributor of Medicare fraud or he was totally incompetent as a CEO. Lucky for him he was able to plead the fifth 72 times.

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Richie.... I guess it depends on who is being inconvenienced...I just dashed off another email to COS TSA because they still don't have a scanner. As I just returned to Colorado the lack of a scanner at my local airport is a big deal. Its another 5 months of trekking to DEN to fly out.

BTW, the actual level of voter fraud in Florida is very low. The head of the Republican party in Florida could only site on instance during a recent interview.

Just because the present "documentation requirements" aren't strong enough to ferret out the fraudulent voters doesn't mean there isn't widespread fraud.

Why would the Republican Party stir up this much controversy before a critical election if they didn't know the fraud was substantial?

Why would the radical leftist serving as our head of the DOJ protest so loudly at the vetting of voters. Fraudulent voters would appear to be a problem that should be at the highest priority for his office. I can only think of one reason why he "doth protest too much".

I certainly wasn't referring to the inconvenience you're required to endure to travel by air for your job in order to maintain your needed level of personal space and privacy.

Your problem with the airlines is a perfect example of the need for a frequent flier pass. You could be vetted and cleared once by the government, and issued a secure I.D. card that would speed you through lines. The cost of this would have to be picked up by you or your employer, and it's a solution I can't understand not already being implemented.

I had a similar FBI background check in order to transport hazardous material on the roads when I was working. I had to pay around $100 out of my pocket for this background and identity check. I was then cleared by Homeland Security and issued my "fraud proof picture I.D." license.

I can't understand why that couldn't be done for frequent fliers.

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Gov Rick Scott would fire all 67 County Supervisors of Elections today if he could. Unfortunately for him they are elected officials. If Scott knew anything about the National Voter Registration Act of 1992, he would know that the deadline for purging the voter rolls had already passed for the 2012 election cycle. You can't fire people for abiding by the law. Once again, Scott shows that he believes that he is above the law, which he has proven over and over.

You missed my point, if the job was done correctly, there would be no need to purge. Elected officials will be dealt with in the elections.

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some how the majority in FL knowing all this information elected him....right?

Once again, small percentage incidents presented while passing over the question:

If it is illegal and or wrong why is it not OK to fix it?

btk

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You missed my point, if the job was done correctly, there would be no need to purge. Elected officials will be dealt with in the elections.

And what proof is there that the voting lists are not accurate outside of Governor Rick Scott's bogus claims? Please post your links.

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Just love how you righties are already setting the excuses for losing in November. The main stream media favors Obama. Voter fraud is rampant. What else?
Hope it softens the blow for you and makes you all feel better. :doh:

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If voter fraud and illegal registration is so rampant in Florida, why haven't we heard of these perpetrators being put on trial since 2008? Our courts should have been full of these fraudulent cases being tried. We only hear of voters being purged right before an election, as was the case in 2000.

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Just love how you righties are already setting the excuses for losing in November. The main stream media favors Obama. Voter fraud is rampant. What else?
Hope it softens the blow for you and makes you all feel better. :doh:

Supporting valid voter rolls is Republican desperation?

Romney is already 8 pts ahead in Florida, as we speak.

Keeping the voting honest would do well to that reflecting in the tally.

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Richie.... I guess it depends on who is being inconvenienced...I just dashed off another email to COS TSA because they still don't have a scanner. As I just returned to Colorado the lack of a scanner at my local airport is a big deal. Its another 5 months of trekking to DEN to fly out.

BTW, the actual level of voter fraud in Florida is very low. The head of the Republican party in Florida could only site on instance during a recent interview.

cologal - is voter fraud okay with you even if it is very low in florida - regardless of who makes such a claim?

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The "purging" of voter rolls in Florida by the Republicans is just one more example of their racism. Jim Crow is alive in Florida.

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illegal is illegal is illegal ad infinitum!

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The "purging" of voter rolls in Florida by the Republicans is just one more example of their racism. Jim Crow is alive in Florida.

You can think better than this.

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Gov Rick Scott wants to make sure that everybody follows the law except him. Just in the past year, the governor was told by the Florida Supreme Court that he "overstepped his constitutional authority" and "violated the separation of powers" when he decided no one could pass any new rules without his authority.

You would hope the Legislature would have known better than to discourage voter registration with unnecessary and unfair rules that were eventually struck down last week by a US district judge.

Privatizing prisons without actually enacting a law. You can't do that. Drug-testing state workers and welfare recipients? It's unconstitutional. The bottom line is no one gets to ignore the law. Scott likes to be ordained first and read the Constitution later.

What does one have to do with the other. You and your ilk seem to babble the Dem line no matter how ridiculous it makes you or them sound. All the Dems on this thread seem to be no more than a bunch of parrots. If there are people (dead or otherwise,) voting illegally, then why should it not be stopped and the perps prosecuted?

Someone, is out there neutralizing your vote, or, stealing the import of my vote. A LEGAL VOTE is an entitlement to me, and not for a criminal to dilute by fraud. Buried in the approval of illegals voting, seems to be the only way that the current POTUS can be reelected.

The attempt to avoid the issues by trying to cast missdeeds upon the Governor does not excuse the illegality of voter fraud. Stick to the subject at hand. If you want to pontificate about Gov. Scott and other instances where you think he is off base, then, start a new thread.

By the way, what are your credentials to question which actions are constitutional or otherwise? Could they be what you read in the Lame Street Media or do you profess to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. In any event, I believe you are way off base in condoning illegal and fraudulent voting and attempting to cast dispersions in other directions in order to justify this untenetable position. What does drug testing and privitization of prisons have to do with the issue at hand other than to take pot shots at the Governor?

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Purging the voter list is just the Repubs pro-active way of stealing an election. In 2000 they had to wait until after the election to steal it. Same difference in my opinion. :doh:

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why is it that so many things that are wrong are either OK or supported by Obama supporters?

I still have not seen a simple answer to a simple question"

If it is either wrong or broken why is it not OK to fix it?

The only rhetoric always turns out to be some partisan slamming. I am beginning to think you folks are being seriously constrained about what you are allowed to discuss.

btk

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Me and my ilk as you phrased it, resent the Republicans trying to swing the
upcoming vote by illigally using jim crow voting laws to keep the voters
from exercising their rights. These laws that were passed by a right wing
governor and his tea party cronies will be found to be unconstitutional. How
many voter fraud cases are there? May be a very few. There is nojustification
for these regulations.
aassande@comcast.net

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Gov Rick Scott wants to make sure that everybody follows the law except him. Just in the past year, the governor was told by the Florida Supreme Court that he "overstepped his constitutional authority" and "violated the separation of powers" when he decided no one could pass any new rules without his authority.

You would hope the Legislature would have known better than to discourage voter registration with unnecessary and unfair rules that were eventually struck down last week by a US district judge.

Privatizing prisons without actually enacting a law. You can't do that. Drug-testing state workers and welfare recipients? It's unconstitutional. The bottom line is no one gets to ignore the law. Scott likes to be ordained first and read the Constitution later.

What does one have to do with the other. You and your ilk seem to babble the Dem line no matter how ridiculous it makes you or them sound. All the Dems on this thread seem to be no more than a bunch of parrots. If there are people (dead or otherwise,) voting illegally, then why should it not be stopped and the perps prosecuted?

Someone, is out there neutralizing your vote, or, stealing the import of my vote. A LEGAL VOTE is an entitlement to me, and not for a criminal to dilute by fraud. Buried in the approval of illegals voting, seems to be the only way that the current POTUS can be reelected.

The attempt to avoid the issues by trying to cast missdeeds upon the Governor does not excuse the illegality of voter fraud. Stick to the subject at hand. If you want to pontificate about Gov. Scott and other instances where you think he is off base, then, start a new thread.

By the way, what are your credentials to question which actions are constitutional or otherwise? Could they be what you read in the Lame Street Media or do you profess to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. In any event, I believe you are way off base in condoning illegal and fraudulent voting and attempting to cast dispersions in other directions in order to justify this untenetable position. What does drug testing and privitization of prisons have to do with the issue at hand other than to take pot shots at the Governor?

This is my thread. I am not condoning illegal and fraudulent voting, but explaining the questionable way the governor went about purging the voter rolls with his questionable background. Please post all examples of voter fraud that have been prosecuted in the state of Florida since 2008.

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What does one have to do with the other. You and your ilk seem to babble the Dem line no matter how ridiculous it makes you or them sound. All the Dems on this thread seem to be no more than a bunch of parrots. If there are people (dead or otherwise,) voting illegally, then why should it not be stopped and the perps prosecuted?

Someone, is out there neutralizing your vote, or, stealing the import of my vote. A LEGAL VOTE is an entitlement to me, and not for a criminal to dilute by fraud. Buried in the approval of illegals voting, seems to be the only way that the current POTUS can be reelected.

The attempt to avoid the issues by trying to cast missdeeds upon the Governor does not excuse the illegality of voter fraud. Stick to the subject at hand. If you want to pontificate about Gov. Scott and other instances where you think he is off base, then, start a new thread.

By the way, what are your credentials to question which actions are constitutional or otherwise? Could they be what you read in the Lame Street Media or do you profess to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. In any event, I believe you are way off base in condoning illegal and fraudulent voting and attempting to cast dispersions in other directions in order to justify this untenetable position. What does drug testing and privitization of prisons have to do with the issue at hand other than to take pot shots at the Governor?

You and your ilk can't believe that President Barack Obama won the election fair and square in 2008, as opposed to George W Bush in 2000. As you recall, he got over ten million more votes than Senator John McCain. The only way you and your ilk think you can defeat him in 2012 is to throw up all these bogus claims. Perhaps you'd have a better chance if your nominee wasn't so lame. Still waiting for those links to all the cases of voter fraud that have been prosecuted since 2008. You and your ilk just make yourselves look ridiculous making these allegations with no proof.

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"Gov. Rick Scott’s administration created a mess by trying to get rid of noncitizen voters.

And President Obama’s administration helped him do it.

First, Obama’s Department of Homeland Security stonewalled the state’s noncitizen voter hunt for nearly nine months by refusing Florida access to an immigration database. Then, on Thursday, Obama’s Justice Department ordered the purge to halt, in part because time had run out.

Ironically, DOJ’s order cited the so-called “Motor Voter” law, which actually calls on states to purge ineligible voters. One former DOJ lawyer and critic, conservative J. Christian Adams, blogged that the former Obama appointee in charge of the voting section announced early on that it would ignore Motor Voter’s purge obligation.

“We have no interest in enforcing this provision of the law,” he quoted Julie Fernandes as saying in 2009 when she was an assistant attorney general. “It has nothing to do with increasing turnout, and we are just not going to do it.” She has since left DOJ.

So to recap: the feds delayed and then said time expired under a law it selectively enforces"

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"A 1996 immigration crackdown law gives Florida the right to access the Homeland Security database known as SAVE, which stands for “Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements.” The federal law provides for "customer agencies to use SAVE for any legal purpose such as background investigations and voter registration."

The words in that quote come from page 12 of Homeland Security’s own booklet on SAVE. So why won’t DHS heed the law and its own booklet and share its info?

It won’t say. “Talk to DOJ,” a Homeland Security official said in an email Friday

DOJ isn’t really forthright, either.

On Thursday afternoon, a spokesman for the voting section of the Justice Department said it wouldn’t comment on whether it would heed the call of liberal-leaning civil rights groups to stop Florida’s noncitizen voter purge. It also refused to answer questions about Motor Voter.

Hours later, about 8 p.m., DOJ sent its de facto cease-and-desist letter to Florida and then forwarded the letter to a liberal blog.


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"It’s also doubtful Florida would be in this situation if DHS had given access to SAVE when Florida asked in October 2011.

Without SAVE, Florida relied on a motor-vehicle database that’s not updated when someone becomes a citizen. So those immigrants who become citizens and then register to vote can look like noncitizens via a simple database query.

Initially, Florida found 180,000 potential matches. It then greatly pared down the list to almost 2,700 by double-checking the information and then sending its potential noncitizen list to county election supervisors.

Florida won’t release its original list of 180,000 potential matches. DHS won’t let Florida have access to SAVE. And DOJ’s not being straight with the mainstream press or, apparently, with its enforcement of federal law."

Florida is no angel, not even close but it appears to be a case of political one upmanship AGAIN by this administration, and as usual the press accomodates. !!!!!



How Obama aided and abetted Scott’s voter purge mess - Marc Caputo - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/03/2830794_p2/how-obama-aided-and-abetted-scotts.html)

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By ordering Florida to end it's efforts to remove ineligible voters from the state's voter rolls, it becomes breathtakingly clear that the government is actively promoting voter fraud.....(this from Investors Business Daily)

Democrats have made it clear that honest elections are not in their best interests. From the easy registration of the "motor voter laws", to the fierce opposition to requirements that voters must prove they are who they say they are, it becomes clear that the leftists favor messy elections.

Accusations that voter ID requirements disenfranchise minority voters are nonsense. The process of authenticating your identity is required for so many day to day activities, from flying, cashing a check, to getting a driver's license or passport. There should be no less required for the greatest privilege and duty of them all.

The Justice Department Tries To Shut Down Florida's Effort To Reduce On Voter Fraud - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/article/613434/201206011853/justice-department-promotes-voter-fraud-in-florida.htm?p=full)

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For those of you that keep insisting that Bush stole the elelction in 2000 don't forget that three different recounts were done. One by Dems, one by Repubs and one by Indeps. All three showed Bush winning. Also, the media called Florida for Bush before the polls had closed in the Panhandle. It was estimated that it costs Bush 10,000 votes. That doesn't even take in how many votes it costs him in states that had many hours to go before they closed. Once Florida was called for Gore many people, myself included, figured that was it. If Gore had won his home state he would have won. He didn't even win his district.

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a lot of the usual dodging and weaving from the usual Obama supporters, but still no comments on :

If it is wrong or broken why is it not OK to fix it?


btk

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By ordering Florida to end it's efforts to remove ineligible voters from the state's voter rolls, it becomes breathtakingly clear that the government is actively promoting voter fraud.....(this from Investors Business Daily)

Democrats have made it clear that honest elections are not in their best interests. From the easy registration of the "motor voter laws", to the fierce opposition to requirements that voters must prove they are who they say they are, it becomes clear that the leftists favor messy elections.

Accusations that voter ID requirements disenfranchise minority voters are nonsense. The process of authenticating your identity is required for so many day to day activities, from flying, cashing a check, to getting a driver's license or passport. There should be no less required for the greatest privilege and duty of them all.

The Justice Department Tries To Shut Down Florida's Effort To Reduce On Voter Fraud - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/article/613434/201206011853/justice-department-promotes-voter-fraud-in-florida.htm?p=full)

Being from Chicago I couldn't of said it better.The Dem's of cook county made the mob look honest

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What does one have to do with the other. You and your ilk seem to babble the Dem line no matter how ridiculous it makes you or them sound. All the Dems on this thread seem to be no more than a bunch of parrots. If there are people (dead or otherwise,) voting illegally, then why should it not be stopped and the perps prosecuted?

Someone, is out there neutralizing your vote, or, stealing the import of my vote. A LEGAL VOTE is an entitlement to me, and not for a criminal to dilute by fraud. Buried in the approval of illegals voting, seems to be the only way that the current POTUS can be reelected.

The attempt to avoid the issues by trying to cast missdeeds upon the Governor does not excuse the illegality of voter fraud. Stick to the subject at hand. If you want to pontificate about Gov. Scott and other instances where you think he is off base, then, start a new thread.

By the way, what are your credentials to question which actions are constitutional or otherwise? Could they be what you read in the Lame Street Media or do you profess to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. In any event, I believe you are way off base in condoning illegal and fraudulent voting and attempting to cast dispersions in other directions in order to justify this untenetable position. What does drug testing and privitization of prisons have to do with the issue at hand other than to take pot shots at the Governor?

thank your for your post, whatever.

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Me and my ilk as you phrased it, resent the Republicans trying to swing the
upcoming vote by illigally using jim crow voting laws to keep the voters
from exercising their rights. These laws that were passed by a right wing
governor and his tea party cronies will be found to be unconstitutional. How
many voter fraud cases are there? May be a very few. There is nojustification
for these regulations.
aassande@comcast.net

aassande - would you and your ilk be willing to find A 'better' legal way to purge the voter rolls in florida? you ask how many voter fraud cases there are and then suggest maybe very few...i ask you -
IS EVEN ONE CASE OF VOTER FRAUD OKAY?

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aassande - would you and your ilk be willing to find A 'better' legal way to purge the voter rolls in florida? you ask how many voter fraud cases there are and then suggest maybe very few...i ask you -
IS EVEN ONE CASE OF VOTER FRAUD OKAY?

PLEASE post a link to all the voter fraud cases that have been prosecuted in Florida since 2008; a newspaper article, a court case, a police blotter, anything. Or just tell me what county this fraud occured in, and I'll call the Supervisor of Elections in that county myself. Until you can substantiate all the voter and registration fraud that you allege, you make yourself look ridiculous.

BTW: I have read a daily newspaper in Florida for the past 12 years and have never seen a mention of a case being prosecuted. Where's your proof?

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"From 2008 to 2011, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement received just 31 complaints of suspicious voting fraud, resulting in only three arrests statewide", according to this article.

Florida GOP Takes Voter Suppression to a Brazen New Extreme


Florida GOP Takes Voter Suppression to a Brazen New Extreme | Ari Berman | Politics News | Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/florida-gop-takes-voter-supression-to-a-brazen-new-extreme-20120530)

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Purges | Brennan Center for Justice (http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/voter_purges_and_challenges)

Brennan Center and purges in the news-- In the News: Purges | Brennan Center for Justice (http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resources/news/category/voter_purges_and_challenges/)

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"From 2008 to 2011, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement received just 31 complaints of suspicious voting fraud, resulting in only three arrests statewide", according to this article.

Florida GOP Takes Voter Suppression to a Brazen New Extreme


Florida GOP Takes Voter Suppression to a Brazen New Extreme | Ari Berman | Politics News | Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/florida-gop-takes-voter-supression-to-a-brazen-new-extreme-20120530)

It seems one is more likely to encounter a shark attack in Florida than voter fraud. What we have here is a solution in search or a problem. See following for some statistics. PolitiFact Florida | Are shark attacks more common than voter fraud in Florida? (http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/mar/02/aclu-florida/shark-attacks-are-more-common-voter-fraud-florida/)

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because the complaint level is low, just means it is an accepted distortion. No different from the millions who are getting food stamps and other freebies that are not qualified.

Do not mess with the status quo even if it is wrong or illegal....because it preserves votes.

So why is it not OK to fix what is wrong or illegal?

btk

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Yea right. The voter fraud is low, please stop, I can't quit laughing at such an uninformed comment. Why do you think there is such a big push by the democrats to get drivers license for the illegal immigrants.

With 1,000,000 illegal immigrants estimated to be in Florida, with most if not all with jobs, and if only 1% of those manage to vote, that is 10,000 FRAUD VOTES!

Anybody who is happy with that, is for VOTER FRAUD, and I am going to tell Jimmy Carter that he needs to come back to this country.

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Yea right. The voter fraud is low, please stop, I can't quit laughing at such an uninformed comment. Why do you think there is such a big push by the democrats to get drivers license for the illegal immigrants.

With 1,000,000 illegal immigrants estimated to be in Florida, with most if not all with jobs, and if only 1% of those manage to vote, that is 10,000 FRAUD VOTES!

Anybody who is happy with that, is for VOTER FRAUD, and I am going to tell Jimmy Carter that he needs to come back to this country.

Please post a link for your allegations. Why isn't our esteemed Gov Rick Scott doing anything about those one million illegal immigrants like Gov Jan Brewer did in Arizona? And why is this rampant voter fraud not being prosecuted? I thought we were a country of laws.

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PLEASE post a link to all the voter fraud cases that have been prosecuted in Florida since 2008; a newspaper article, a court case, a police blotter, anything. Or just tell me what county this fraud occured in, and I'll call the Supervisor of Elections in that county myself. Until you can substantiate all the voter and registration fraud that you allege, you make yourself look ridiculous.

BTW: I have read a daily newspaper in Florida for the past 12 years and have never seen a mention of a case being prosecuted. Where's your proof?

janmcn - don't get your knickers in such a knot! i was NOT implying that there is or ever was a case of voter fraud! i simply asked a direct question as to whether the poster believed that even one fraudulent vote would be acceptable to them! chill out!

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This is not an accusation, but an extrapolation of facts for consideration.

"With 1,000,000 illegal immigrants estimated to be in Florida, with most if not all with jobs, and if only 1% of those manage to vote, that is 10,000 FRAUD VOTES!" (posted by BlueHeronFan)

"since (1) these 180,000 individuals registered to vote are NOT CITIZENS from what Florida election officials can tell, and that (2) by having the same level of confirmation of these person’s likely non-citizenship as the federal government, the state can ensure that not American citizens are unjustly removed from the rolls.

Given the Obama administration’s lack of cooperation, Florida has moved forward to check citizenship status of these 180,000 individual, notifying them first by mail with 30 days to respond, then publishing the names of these persons in the paper (in an attempt to gain their attention) if they fail to do so. After the newspaper publication of the list, those persons identified will have 30 more days to respond, at which point they will be removed from the voter rolls if they still fail to confirm their eligibility to vote."

You would think that the government would want to help in this cause.

"Florida’s Motor Voter Act of 1993 (which most states have some form of!) PROHIBITED even asking immigration status when an individual filled out their voter registration form while FAILING to require proof of citizenship!"

"One Naples voter admitted to NBC Tampa reporter Andy Pierrotti that she was not a U.S. Citizen NOR A LEGAL IMMIGRANT – election records show she voted six times in the past eleven years!"

» Mass Illegal Immigration Voter Fraud in Florida… and the Feds Don’t Care. Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/mass-illegal-immigration-voter-fraud-in-florida-and-feds-dont-care/)

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because the complaint level is low, just means it is an accepted distortion. No different from the millions who are getting food stamps and other freebies that are not qualified.

Do not mess with the status quo even if it is wrong or illegal....because it preserves votes.

So why is it not OK to fix what is wrong or illegal?

btk

btk - one of these days the voter reg status quo seekers are gonna get you an answer to your question! ;)

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STUDY: Feds Prosecuted Only 38 Cases Of Voter Fraud Between 2002-05, 14 Were Thrown Out | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/16/12920/voter-fraud-study/)

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/the_evidence_bolstering_voterf034087.php

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STUDY: Feds Prosecuted Only 38 Cases Of Voter Fraud Between 2002-05, 14 Were Thrown Out | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/16/12920/voter-fraud-study/)

Political Animal - The ‘evidence’ bolstering voter-fraud allegations (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/the_evidence_bolstering_voterf034087.php)

Just a few questions...

First, does the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT who admitted voting 7 times count as 1 or 7 ? Oh, sorry, she did vote illegally but it doesnt count because it is so easy to do but hard to catch, she would not be part of any statistics. SO, what can we do to stop that little trend...maybe proving you are a citizen ? Of having a photo id ?

Second question. Obviously for folks like you there is some sort of magic number for fraud. Can you share how many registered cases or oral admittances is your standard ? ONE is sufficient for me but curious what you folks have set as a standard. There is a way to not have this conversations....lets have a photo id ? Lets list all those illegals on the voting record and use the Feds roll because it would be against Fed laws....oh, wait a minute...the Feds do not want to give us that llist...hmmmmmm....what to do. I suppose they care as much as we do !

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Gov Rick Scott is the one that is thumbing his nose at The Voter's Rights Act of 1965 and The Voter Registration Act of 1993 and will probably be served with an injunction pretty quickly. All 67 County Election Officials refuse to break the laws, but Scott insists he is above the law. Hopefully, he will be perp-walked off to federal prison soon.

I hope Florida doesn't need any federal aid anytime soon, like say for a major hurricane. If so, the president should just thumb his nose at Scott.

For those who need a history lesson, people died trying to get these laws enacted. Republicans know they are on the wrong side of demographics and all they can do is try to create mass hysteria. In my 12 years in Florida, voters registration has never been a problem. Jeb Bush purged the rolls before I arrived in 2000.

BTW: I prefer to wear my knickers tied in a knot.

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BTW: I prefer to wear my knickers tied in a knot.

jan - it's not good for your health!...like white sugar, brown sugar, white bread, butter and ice cream aren't good for you! [see other totv thread]. ;)

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Gov Rick Scott is the one that is thumbing his nose at The Voter's Rights Act of 1965 and The Voter Registration Act of 1993 and will probably be served with an injunction pretty quickly. All 67 County Election Officials refuse to break the laws, but Scott insists he is above the law. Hopefully, he will be perp-walked off to federal prison soon.

I hope Florida doesn't need any federal aid anytime soon, like say for a major hurricane. If so, the president should just thumb his nose at Scott.

For those who need a history lesson, people died trying to get these laws enacted. Republicans know they are on the wrong side of demographics and all they can do is try to create mass hysteria. In my 12 years in Florida, voters registration has never been a problem. Jeb Bush purged the rolls before I arrived in 2000.

BTW: I prefer to wear my knickers tied in a knot.

By the way, WHAT IS YOUR NUMBER ? (of vote frauds that would justify any purging of any kind)

Now.....

"Responding to complaints, Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner wrote to Janet Napolitano and the Dept of Homeland Security. In his letter, he urgently asked the intelligence agency to open up its database of illegal aliens and assist the state in using only the most accurate information in their effort to purge the rolls of ineligible voters. That independent review would appear to satisfy both sides’ demands.

In response however, federal officials only confirmed receipt of Detzner’s request for assistance but could not commit to any involvement. Citing legal and logistical concerns, DHS spokesmen have hinted that sharing the information with the state is highly unlikely. Florida state officials have said they will make an official statement later this week in response to the Justice Dept’s demand that they halt their effort to purge the state’s voter rolls."


"The Florida voter debacle can be traced back to an overreaching campaign by the Democratic Party to exploit the equal distribution of voters in the state and register as many new Democratic voters as possible. In most states, it would take a massive and expensive effort to register the tens or hundreds of thousands of new voters it would take to swing a state from red to blue, or vice versa. But in Florida, only a few hundred new voters could change the party affiliation of the delegate-rich state."

Florida voter purge creates confrontation with Feds - National Independent | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/florida-voter-purge-creates-confrontation-with-feds)

Now the only even possible violation of any law is the time frame NOT THE ACT OF PURGING. There is a primary on Aug 14 and that is the problem but the state was waiting for the federal government to supply a list to do it properly and now finds itself in this situation. You neglected to add that fact.

GREAT country...we actually are arguing over protecting our right to vote....and in disagreement over we should even look at if ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are voting. What a shame !

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Wow who would have ever guessed that the same uber liberals who argued against photo voter ID cards would object to anyone purging the list of eligible voters.. Wonder why they prefer the status quo? Hmmmmmmm

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Right-wing Republicans are determined to destroy this great country of ours. :(

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Right-wing Republicans are determined to destroy this great country of ours. :(

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad51/wakytimes/Unknown.jpg

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Gov Rick Scott is the one that is thumbing his nose at The Voter's Rights Act of 1965 and The Voter Registration Act of 1993 and will probably be served with an injunction pretty quickly. All 67 County Election Officials refuse to break the laws, but Scott insists he is above the law. Hopefully, he will be perp-walked off to federal prison soon.

I hope Florida doesn't need any federal aid anytime soon, like say for a major hurricane. If so, the president should just thumb his nose at Scott.

For those who need a history lesson, people died trying to get these laws enacted. Republicans know they are on the wrong side of demographics and all they can do is try to create mass hysteria. In my 12 years in Florida, voters registration has never been a problem. Jeb Bush purged the rolls before I arrived in 2000.

BTW: I prefer to wear my knickers tied in a knot.


Well, Rick Scott is just one more example of TeaParty-backed racism.

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Right-wing Republicans are determined to destroy this great country of ours. :(

i think the destruction would be much less than what might be done by the policies of the left-wing democrats...look at greece and what out-of-control spending can do for/to a nation!

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For those who need a history lesson, people died trying to get these laws enacted.
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no lesson needed here! but i do have to wonder if you think they died so that the laws which protect people's rights would be used to protect people who have no right to them and their protection.

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no lesson needed here! but i do have to wonder if you think they died so that the laws which protect people's rights would be used to protect people who have no right to them and their protection.


What I do not understand, and perhaps those with all the rhetoric can respond because I might have missed it.

WHY are the Democrats, or anyone opposed to the method, not trying to join forces with the purge to protect any "errors" they think may have happened ?

Seems in all the states that in the last few months have passed an id law for voting, that the thrust from opposition was to stop it totally....the issue of illegal voters was not the issue at all. Why are they not making an issue of not being available to insure it is done fairly and insures that there are no illegal voters anywhere.

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to those that do not think voter fraud happens,today i got my new Ill.voters id in the mail.I guess I can vote here and in Ill.States do not notify your old state that you have registered elsewhere.They should purge all voters and have a national voters id.

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no lesson needed here! but i do have to wonder if you think they died so that the laws which protect people's rights would be used to protect people who have no right to them and their protection.

Still waiting for all that substantiated evidence to be posted. Until then, I can only assume you are blowing smoke.

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Still waiting for all that substantiated evidence to be posted. Until then, I can only assume you are blowing smoke.

Being from Chicago I know every election they find dead people voting or registering.News papers always find some.Been going on my whole adult life.If you don't believe it happens think you need to get your head out of the sand

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Still waiting for all that substantiated evidence to be posted. Until then, I can only assume you are blowing smoke.

well, don't wait too long cause it ain't gonna happen. i am SIMPLY asking a question and have NO desire to blow ANY smoke ANYWHERE around YOU - ASSUME whatever you want! my previous ? that was directed to aassande and into which you jumped asking for a link to voter fraud cases prosecuted in fl does not REQUIRE a response to you since the ? was NOT directed to you!

the post that was directed to YOU is:
but i do have to wonder if you think they died so that the laws which protect people's rights would be used to protect people who have no right to them and their protection.

that ? has absolutely no connection to voter fraud and needs ONLY a yes or no answer. am not looking for nor hoping for an essay. thanx

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The facts are these. It's only Democrats who want to stop voter authentication.

Why do they want voters not to have to identify they are who they say they are?

You don't have to be clairvoyant to figure it out.

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well, don't wait too long cause it ain't gonna happen. i am SIMPLY asking a question and have NO desire to blow ANY smoke ANYWHERE around YOU - ASSUME whatever you want! my previous ? that was directed to aassande and into which you jumped asking for a link to voter fraud cases prosecuted in fl does not REQUIRE a response to you since the ? was NOT directed to you!

the post that was directed to YOU is:
but i do have to wonder if you think they died so that the laws which protect people's rights would be used to protect people who have no right to them and their protection.

that ? has absolutely no connection to voter fraud and needs ONLY a yes or no answer. am not looking for nor hoping for an essay. thanx

No.

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It's not about voter fraud,it's about voter suppresion.I have not seen one case of voter fraud proven. It seems to me that the number of fraud cases proven will be counted on one hand but the number of legitimate voters who are prevented from voting can run into the millions.

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It's not about voter fraud,it's about voter suppresion.I have not seen one case of voter fraud proven. It seems to me that the number of fraud cases proven will be counted on one hand but the number of legitimate voters who are prevented from voting can run into the millions.

waynet - do you believe that voter registrations should be reviewed and purged of dead, moved or other ineligible voters as defined by law on some regular basis in order to insure their integrity?

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I am continually amused how not fixing what is wrong or fix what is broken seems to be an acceptable position for some.

Some want proof of voter fraud to challenge whether it happens or not. How many proofs have they seen for tax evasion? Tax fraud? None but it is an accepted fact that it does happen.

How many have seen proof of fraud in Medicare? None but it is known to be rampant and out of control.

The problem is some people being constrained by thinking everything has to be a partisan blessed notion/idea/issue/thought. That just is not the way the real world acts and behaves.

It is actually rather sad to see that some folks our age....old enough and should be wise enough to know right from wrong...yet so deep in partisan thinking and rhetoric and as a result CANNOT and DO NOT support right vs wrong. Very, very sad.

All the arm waving about show me a link, show me proof or the lame idea that there aren't that many of whatever is just flak. The logic would suggest they would give the same answers if asked if they support ticketing speeders in TV.

I like to think some of these folks just have to make a visible partisan stand just because they either think the have to or they have to....however when all gets said and done I would bet some may not be so consistent in the voting booth in November.

The right thing to do is always err on the side of doing what is right.
To have dead people on the voting roles is not right.
To have illegal immigrants on the voting roles is not right.
To be allowed to vote in more than one location is not right.

Some must not comprehend how foolish they come across when they will not subscribe to a simple right or wrong decision. Permissive pacifism has taken on a new magnitude.

btk

PS I think the life of this thread is about worn out...nothing but spinning tires in the same old ruts.

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It is not a purge.Flagging and having them come in with Id.A Ft Meyers News paper found 50,000 dead people still on rolls.Say it again time for national voters Id.

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billy,quite a post. Almost none of it true and most hearsay. We have a constitutional right to vote thats the difference. To compare that to medicare fraud and tax evasion is wrong.

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It is not a purge.Flagging and having them come in with Id.A Ft Meyers News paper found 50,000 dead people still on rolls.Say it again time for national voters Id.


Thank you for informing me that Florida has found more than 50,000 dead people on voting rolls. I always wondered how George W. Bush got in and now I know the truth.:swear:

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ahhhhhh Waynet you missed the point totally and completely.

The point was and still is that fraud exists in each of the examples.....nothing more than that.

It exists in each of the examples just like it exists in the voter polls.

Yes us legal, still alive, citizens of the USA do have a constitutional priviledge to vote.

The illegal, dead and non citizens do not......this is the subject by the way.

And contrary to your incorrect assessment all the examples are true. Fraud is acknowledged to exist in every single one of them ....including the voter polls.

However, you like many others are entitled to your opinion on the matter.

My preference and I suspect most people will always be on the side of fixing what is wrong or broken.

btk

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Thank you for informing me that Florida has found more than 50,000 dead people on voting rolls. I always wondered how George W. Bush got in and now I know the truth.:swear:

You know all those dead people voted for Gore. Dead voters are a solid Democrat constituency.

Anyway, Gore appeals to the dead voter; he looks amazingly similar to them.

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You know all those dead people voted for Gore. Dead voters are a solid Democrat constituency.

Anyway, Gore appeals to the dead voter; he looks amazingly similar to them.

Dont know if you were here in 2000 or not, but it was actually funny watching the Democratic party, and actually the Republican party as well, but ESPECIALLY the Democratic party specifically in the Miami area. Some of the claims, etc were so "out there", some of the liberal press was making fun.

This country needs a purge and then a national voter id. It solves and addresses the issue spot on. And I have been asking those who ask that ridiculous question about how many cases, etc...what is your number of cases that is ok..mine is ZERO or ONE. There are reports of fraud every election in just about every precinct in the nation and as always, the liberal side will create another problem because folks will get sick of that question an begin to fully prosecute every claim and then they will scream....well lots of things...mainly call whomever a racist !

Why the issue with the Democrats is not HOW it is done but the fact that they dont want it done is a real sticking point with me. It just makes no common sense whatsoever.

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Dont know if you were here in 2000 or not, but it was actually funny watching the Democratic party, and actually the Republican party as well, but ESPECIALLY the Democratic party specifically in the Miami area. Some of the claims, etc were so "out there", some of the liberal press was making fun.

This country needs a purge and then a national voter id. It solves and addresses the issue spot on. And I have been asking those who ask that ridiculous question about how many cases, etc...what is your number of cases that is ok..mine is ZERO or ONE. There are reports of fraud every election in just about every precinct in the nation and as always, the liberal side will create another problem because folks will get sick of that question an begin to fully prosecute every claim and then they will scream....well lots of things...mainly call whomever a racist !

Why the issue with the Democrats is not HOW it is done but the fact that they dont want it done is a real sticking point with me. It just makes no common sense whatsoever.

Your number of cases is ZERO or ONE. What's the acceptable number of cases of eligible voters who should be purged? I agree with you, for once, on the need for a national voter ID, however I doubt that a plan could be implemented before Nov 2012.

Attorney General Pam Bondi promises Florida will 'keep fighting' for voter purge and insures that the proper people will vote. Some might misinterpret what her remarks mean.

How many groups of people can republicans alienate in one day? Today the Republican Senators voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act. That will make for some good campaign fodder. Where is the Republican big tent when Hispanics, African Americans, women, Gays and Lesbians are excluded?


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/ag-pam-bondi-promises-florida-will-keep-fighting

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Anyway, Gore appeals to the dead voter; he looks amazingly similar to them.[/QUOTE

You know, as much as I would like to argue about it, I can't find anything that is flawed in your statement. :wave:

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As far as I can tell this "purge" has thus far found zero voter fraud and taken the vote away from 5 documented citizens. Nice job so far. Yet even with these mistakes the governor refuses to halt this sham. I wonder why.

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It's not that they don't want it.they don't want it before this election they will allow after nov.election's .And to say no fraud is just stupid.Every election you see in news people who didn't vote but voter rolls show someone did.Now how would you prosecute when you don't know who did.If the left really cared they would support a national id but no one here has.Instead just say prove it.Think they are afraid they would get clock cleaned in a fair election.

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As of today here is what election officials have found. There have been 13 people purged and 2 might have voted.

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It's not that they don't want it.they don't want it before this election they will allow after nov.election's .And to say no fraud is just stupid.Every election you see in news people who didn't vote but voter rolls show someone did.Now how would you prosecute when you don't know who did.If the left really cared they would support a national id but no one here has.Instead just say prove it.Think they are afraid they would get clock cleaned in a fair election.

Do you realize what a monumental task it would be to make sure every American citizen was eligible to vote and had a government issued voter ID? Why didn't you start squawking about it in 2008 and perhaps it could have been done as part of the US Census in 2010.

BTW: I've been looking all over for those cases you mentioned in FT Myers. I assume you meant FT Myers, FL and not FT Meyers as you stated. I would like to research the cases for my upcoming book on voter fraud. Can you post a link?

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Do you realize what a monumental task it would be to make sure every American citizen was eligible to vote and had a government issued voter ID? Why didn't you start squawking about it in 2008 and perhaps it could have been done as part of the US Census in 2010.

BTW: I've been looking all over for those cases you mentioned in FT Myers. I assume you meant FT Myers, FL and not FT Meyers as you stated. I would like to research the cases for my upcoming book on voter fraud. Can you post a link?

In actual cases, the voter id thing began back in 2003...I think there 5 states that passed some sort of law at that time and the march continues. The Democratic party continues to spend money to upend as many as possible and there are a few up in state supreme courts.

This is a state issue...now the purging is a FEDERAL law that states must do but the DOJ, for some reason keeps stepping to make sure it does not happen. It is a federal law simply because we have so very man illegal folks here and most recognize how dangerous this is becoming.

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In actual cases, the voter id thing began back in 2003...I think there 5 states that passed some sort of law at that time and the march continues. The Democratic party continues to spend money to upend as many as possible and there are a few up in state supreme courts.

This is a state issue...now the purging is a FEDERAL law that states must do but the DOJ, for some reason keeps stepping to make sure it does not happen. It is a federal law simply because we have so very man illegal folks here and most recognize how dangerous this is becoming.

When The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed, it was more of a civil rights issue than an immigration issue. Some states, such as Florida, have a stricter mandate because of past indiscretions.

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Do you realize what a monumental task it would be to make sure every American citizen was eligible to vote and had a government issued voter ID?
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it can't be that big a deal if every american citizen gets a birth certificate, social security number, and those who elect to get a driver's license.

we're americans! no challenge is too big!

is it, janmcn?

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When The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed, it was more of a civil rights issue than an immigration issue. Some states, such as Florida, have a stricter mandate because of past indiscretions.


We are talking about VOTER ID here !!! It is a state issue,not fed. The federal laws says they must purge

This has NOTHING to do with anyones civil rights unless someone is stricken, not allowed to vote without recourse.

Of course my civil rights are violated if ONE illegal votes !!!

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We are talking about VOTER ID here !!! It is a state issue,not fed. The federal laws says they must purge

This has NOTHING to do with anyones civil rights unless someone is stricken, not allowed to vote without recourse.

Of course my civil rights are violated if ONE illegal votes !!!

What federal law says they must purge? The Voter Registration Act of 1993 says states may not purge their rolls 90 days before an election. The Florida primary is August 14, 2012. You do the math.

Would your civil rights be violated if registered voters are not allowed to vote?

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it can't be that big a deal if every american citizen gets a birth certificate, social security number, and those who elect to get a driver's license.

we're americans! no challenge is too big!

is it, janmcn?

How many elderly African-American citizens have no birth certificate because they were not allowed to be born in a hospital before the Civil Rights Act passed in 1965? What would you suggest they do?

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What federal law says they must purge? The Voter Registration Act of 1993 says states may not purge their rolls 90 days before an election. The Florida primary is August 14, 2012. You do the math.

Would your civil rights be violated if registered voters are not allowed to vote?


Well, not my conversation but I know the HAVA act requires that each state is required to maintain the statewide list and to remove any ineligible voters. That goes back to maybe 2001/2002.

Which is what Florida was trying to do in a reasonable manner asking the Federal government for listings that the fed said was available, HOWEVER the Fed (DOJ) resisited and did not thus the state began the mandated purge with what they had(NOT in secret by the way) and of course the DOJ and Fed actions put them up against that 90 day problem.

AGain, WHY are not you folks who are yelling so loud be yelling that you want to be involved in the purging as REQUIRED BY LAW. But recently the DOJ and the Fed wants to get involved in all the states trying to administer the FED law...go figure !

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I am sure some LEGAL effort would be made to be sure their ability to vote would not be hindered, thus allowing the system to get rid of names/individuals that do not belong on the list. They are not the issue.

btk

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Front page, above the fold, article in today's Tampa Bay Times entitled "Scott Scoffs at Feds' Demand". Gov Scott claims "the Department of Justice doesn't understand two federal voting laws at the heart of dispute". The DOJ doesn't understand the law, but Scott and his two buddies, Secretary of State Ken Detzner and Attorney General Pam Bondi do.

What is unclear is who is going to do the purging, if Scott wins, since the 67 county Elections Supervisors refuse to break the law, and they are the only ones capable of changing voter registrations. They don't work for Scott. They are elected officials, and Scott can't order them to do anything. Somebody better take Scott aside and tell him being governor is different than being a CEO.


Gov. Rick Scott refuses federal demand to stop hunting for potential noncitizen voters - Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/gov-rick-scott-refuses-federal-demand-to-stop-hunting-for-potential/1233908)

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Front page, above the fold, article in today's Tampa Bay Times entitled "Scott Scoffs at Feds' Demand". Gov Scott claims "the Department of Justice doesn't understand two federal voting laws at the heart of dispute". The DOJ doesn't understand the law, but Scott and his two buddies, Secretary of State Ken Detzner and Attorney General Pam Bondi do.

What is unclear is who is going to do the purging, if Scott wins, since the 67 county Elections Supervisors refuse to break the law, and they are the only ones capable of changing voter registrations. They don't work for Scott. They are elected officials, and Scott can't order them to do anything. Somebody better take Scott aside and tell him being governor is different than being a CEO.


Gov. Rick Scott refuses federal demand to stop hunting for potential noncitizen voters - Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/gov-rick-scott-refuses-federal-demand-to-stop-hunting-for-potential/1233908)

Not its not......I want my vote to count and it is clear that florida has overtaken Illinois and new Jersey as the most corrupt state. Purge baby purge

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Front page, above the fold, article in today's Tampa Bay Times entitled "Scott Scoffs at Feds' Demand". Gov Scott claims "the Department of Justice doesn't understand two federal voting laws at the heart of dispute". The DOJ doesn't understand the law, but Scott and his two buddies, Secretary of State Ken Detzner and Attorney General Pam Bondi do.

What is unclear is who is going to do the purging, if Scott wins, since the 67 county Elections Supervisors refuse to break the law, and they are the only ones capable of changing voter registrations. They don't work for Scott. They are elected officials, and Scott can't order them to do anything. Somebody better take Scott aside and tell him being governor is different than being a CEO.


Gov. Rick Scott refuses federal demand to stop hunting for potential noncitizen voters - Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/gov-rick-scott-refuses-federal-demand-to-stop-hunting-for-potential/1233908)

The answer might just be the Federal Government following Federal Law as they continually refuse to do. Again, why is not the conversation on HOW the purging should be done and not IF ????? It is law to do it.

PS....Since you quote the Times quite a bit, I have a condo in Tampa and thus know many folks who actuallly work and write there..you certainly know their bias. Drove down here today and this morning...did you have a tough time finding anything on the Wisconsin vote ?

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The answer might just be the Federal Government following Federal Law as they continually refuse to do. Again, why is not the conversation on HOW the purging should be done and not IF ????? It is law to do it.

PS....Since you quote the Times quite a bit, I have a condo in Tampa and thus know many folks who actuallly work and write there..you certainly know their bias. Drove down here today and this morning...did you have a tough time finding anything on the Wisconsin vote ?

The DOJ doesn't enforce it's own immigration laws, and attempts to punish states that try to enforce the law in spite of federal refusal to.

So now the left is surprised that the DOJ is not enforcing election laws?

The DOJ under Obama is just another tool for the advancement of the Democrat Party and his own personal agenda, and not the enforcement of laws.

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Whats the big deal about this voter purge its to remove people that are dead are not in Florida etc. Every body thinks its to get the democrats. Like defraging your computer it will run better. Give it up.The law is the law,with them we now have a free for all

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Please post a link for your allegations. Why isn't our esteemed Gov Rick Scott doing anything about those one million illegal immigrants like Gov Jan Brewer did in Arizona? And why is this rampant voter fraud not being prosecuted? I thought we were a country of laws.

Have you ever noticed that your posting just goes around and around in circles?

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Have you ever noticed that your posting just goes around and around in circles?

No. It is my civic duty to keep Florida citizens informed about how their constitutional right to vote is being "compromised by Gov Rick Scott's continuing political fights with the Obama administration". So says the Tampa Bay Times in today's editorial which compares Scott to Gov George Wallace's standing in the doorway at the University of Alabama on June 11, 1963.

To sum it up "Florida should not be at war with Washington, and Floridians should not have to rely on the Justice Department to prevent their rights from being compromised by their state government. Governor, we again join in the call for you to stop this flawed purging of the voter rolls".


Governor, halt the flawed voter purge - Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/article1234208.ece)

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how about if he promises to not affect the legitimate, valid voters registered.

And only removes the dead, illegal and unqualified?

Nobody could really take a position that would allow the dead and illegal and unqualified to remain on the rolls....would you? could you?

For the majority that can think in non partisan terms.....fix what is wrong or broken......sorta like motherhood and apple pie.

btk