Bermuda with Zoysia??

[PaPaLarry]

I'm experiencing Bermuda grass runners in my zoysia, and are they strong to pull out. It seems like the bermuda takes over the zoysia and is more hardy. The only way to get it out is to dig it out. There is a chemical called "Ornamec" that kills Bermuda, while it doesn't harm other grasses. I tried it for a while, but didn't have good luck. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Apparently, hard to fix?? Runners are strong!:confused::shrug:

[Trish Miller]

I'm experiencing Bermuda grass runners in my zoysia, and are they strong to pull out. It seems like the bermuda takes over the zoysia and is more hardy. The only way to get it out is to dig it out. There is a chemical called "Ornamec" that kills Bermuda, while it doesn't harm other grasses. I tried it for a while, but didn't have good luck. Has anyone else experinced this problem?:confused::shrug:
Contact Jason Shaw with Zoysia Green
He is VERY knowledgable and helpful
His number is 352-323-8454
Good Luck!!

[PaPaLarry]

Contact Jason Shaw with Zoysia Green
He is VERY knowledgable and helpful
His number is 352-323-8454
Good Luck!!
Thanks Trish

[Bogie Shooter]

Here is some information on this problem.
Common Bermudagrass Control in Zoysiagrass (http://commodities.caes.uga.edu/turfgrass/georgiaturf/WeedMngt/weedcontrol/bermzoy.htm)

[PaPaLarry]

Here is some information on this problem.
Common Bermudagrass Control in Zoysiagrass (http://commodities.caes.uga.edu/turfgrass/georgiaturf/WeedMngt/weedcontrol/bermzoy.htm)
Thanks Bogie. Site really helpful

[Bogie Shooter]

Thanks Bogie. Site really helpful

I also have the bermuda.........I have been told if it is green mow it!:laugh:

[buzzy]

I am disgusted with the Bermuda grass in my Zoysia lawn. The lawn is about 1 1/2 yrs old. At about 1/2 year, I coaxed the builder's belligerent landscaper to re-sod a portion that was really bad. By the end of the year the Bermuda grass was back, and he refused to do any more replacement. He recommended Zoysia Green Lawn Service because they spot treat with Fusilade weed killer. I switched in February. I can see the spot treatments because of the dark green dye in the spray. Well, as of today, those portions of the lawn that were treated are completely infested with Bermuda grass.

After today's rain, I spent an hour on my knees trying to pull the runners up with the roots. The affected areas have a web of runners running in all directions through the grass. Both ends of the runners are rooted, and they just break off at the surface. It's a mess.

I don't know who Jason is, but I'll try to get him over to look at the situation.

[CarGuys]

I am disgusted with the Bermuda grass in my Zoysia lawn. The lawn is about 1 1/2 yrs old. At about 1/2 year, I coaxed the builder's belligerent landscaper to re-sod a portion that was really bad. By the end of the year the Bermuda grass was back, and he refused to do any more replacement. He recommended Zoysia Green Lawn Service because they spot treat with Atrazine weed killer. I switched in February. I can see the spot treatments because of the dark green dye in the spray. Well, as of today, those portions of the lawn that were treated are completely infested with Bermuda grass.

After today's rain, I spent an hour on my knees trying to pull the runners up with the roots. The affected areas have a web of runners running in all directions through the grass. Both ends of the runners are rooted, and they just break off at the surface. It's a mess.

I don't know who Jason is, but I'll try to get him over to look at the situation.

Anyone got a picture of what the Bermuda looks like? I was under the mis conception that zoyzia took over everything and anything.

[PaPaLarry]

Anyone got a picture of what the Bermuda looks like? I was under the mis conception that zoyzia took over everything and anything.
Yes, I also was under the mis conception that zoysia took over Bermuda. I have the same problem. Bogieshooter above gave a good web site on how to control it or try to kill it. Check it out. I really think its a losing battle. I notice my neighbors have it in their lawn also.

[Floridagal]

I have Bermuda grass all over my front lawn (St. Augustine) for over a year now and was told nothing could be done to get rid of it. It will just grow back. I decided no use in getting upset about it and as long as it is green what the heck, it is just a lawn. Going to go now and enjoy the villages life style.

[Mikeod]

Are you sure it is Bermuda? My zoysia lawn has torpedo grass in it. This grass looks somewhat like Bermuda in that is spreads horizontally by runners. But it is more coarse than Bermuda, almost like St. Augustine. I was told that this grass commonly hitches a ride in the zoysia sod and will make itself apparent months after the sod is laid. I have tried all sorts of controls and nothing I can buy helps. Zoysia Green has tried some controls, but it is still there.

I've adopted the same philosophy as posted above. Since it's green, mow it.

[Mikeod]

Are you sure it is Bermuda? My zoysia lawn has torpedo grass in it. This grass looks somewhat like Bermuda in that is spreads horizontally by runners. But it is more coarse than Bermuda, almost like St. Augustine. I was told that this grass commonly hitches a ride in the zoysia sod and will make itself apparent months after the sod is laid. I have tried all sorts of controls and nothing I can buy helps. Zoysia Green has tried some controls, but it is still there.

I've adopted the same philosophy as posted above. Since it's green, mow it.
Here is a picture I just took of the torpedo grass in my zoysia. The torpedo grass is the coarser grass in the center with the finer blades of zoysia around.

[buzzy]

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I don't know who Jason is, but I'll try to get him over to look at the situation.

Left a message at the office. He is supposed to call me when he's back in town on Monday.

[PaPaLarry]

Are you sure it is Bermuda? My zoysia lawn has torpedo grass in it. This grass looks somewhat like Bermuda in that is spreads horizontally by runners. But it is more coarse than Bermuda, almost like St. Augustine. I was told that this grass commonly hitches a ride in the zoysia sod and will make itself apparent months after the sod is laid. I have tried all sorts of controls and nothing I can buy helps. Zoysia Green has tried some controls, but it is still there.

I've adopted the same philosophy as posted above. Since it's green, mow it.
I'm positive it's Bermuda. Had sample looked at, to be sure.

[GaryW]

I have Zoysia,, and in the back yard I got St. Augustine patch with runners all over I keep pulling out.
In the front yard I have I Believe either Torpedo or Bermuda growing in big patches... Can not get rid of it.. Every year seems to be getting bigger. Was told by True Green best way is to replant. I just keep it mowed...
Such a pain in the rear.......

[PaPaLarry]

This is when we need a professional, to give us help in this problem!!! Surely The Villages must know about this problem too. I wonder if St Augistine is better? (not really) Is there not any northern grasses that would work good here? Or maybe western? You would think in this day and age, they would have a remedy!! Send the Greenskeeper!!

[GaryW]

Zoysia is by far better,, esp. when it is maintained correct. takes a lot less water, and bug and weather tolerant.
Most places now require Zoysia or something requiring less water maint. Have a friend in harbor hills.. He did a yard makeover with a pool. When replacing the grass,,, they had to replace with Zoysia... Per HOA or Harbor Hills he told me.

[Bogie Shooter]

This is when we need a professional, to give us help in this problem!!! Surely The Villages must know about this problem too. I wonder if St Augistine is better? (not really) Is there not any northern grasses that would work good here? Or maybe western? You would think in this day and age, they would have a remedy!! Send the Greenskeeper!!

Give this guy a call, he is the Sumter County Extension Agent. Office at the annex Morse & CR466.
Jim Davis
Florida Yards & Neighborhoods
(352) 689-4668 (Villages Annex

[Rebel Pirate]

I'm new to the villages...just closed two weeks ago. We're on a golf course lot with two sides of our lot bordering bermuda grass from the course. This issue of bermuda invading the zoysia is new to me...because zoysia is new for me. Is it possible to install metal edging to shield my recently sodded zoysia lawn from the encroaching bermuda?...or will bermuda runners go over, under, or over and under the metal border?

Our lawn is new enough that it's not yet a problem, but I suspect it's only a matter of time.

Thanks for any advice! :smiley:

[PaPaLarry]

I'm new to the villages...just closed two weeks ago. We're on a golf course lot with two sides of our lot bordering bermuda grass from the course. This issue of bermuda invading the zoysia is new to me...because zoysia is new for me. Is it possible to install metal edging to shield my recently sodded zoysia lawn from the encroaching bermuda?...or will bermuda runners go over, under, or over and under the metal border?

Our lawn is new enough that it's not yet a problem, but I suspect it's only a matter of time.

Thanks for any advice! :smiley:
It might help, but when bermuda grows to seed, it blows into your yard. If you look at zoysia grass, it has one blade, like kentucky blue or rye. With Bermuda, it has off shoots from one shoot, that shoots out 3-4 directions. Hard to explain. Maybe Mikeod can take another picture, (I'm not a computer whiz) by pulling one shoot and taking a picture of that? I just can't explain it. I did see the bermuda in Mikeod's picture.

[jimbo2012]

I read it needs lots of sun, so it was suggested to cut the lawn as tall as you can to shade it.?????

Also if you pull it out be care where you throw it away.

[PaPaLarry]

Here is a picture I just took of the torpedo grass in my zoysia. The torpedo grass is the coarser grass in the center with the finer blades of zoysia around.
Mikeod: If you could take ONE shoot of Bermuda and take a picture like you did other picture, maybe others will get idea how Bermuda shoots look? (As I stated, I'm not computer savvy) My explanation of a shoot, is it sort of grows like a feather, but not as full. Also right now in yard, you can see the seeds shooting out, because they are taller then the other grass. But, do appreciate your other picture of grass you posted. Thanks

[Mikeod]

Mikeod: If you could take ONE shoot of Bermuda and take a picture like you did other picture, maybe others will get idea how Bermuda shoots look? (As I stated, I'm not computer savvy) My explanation of a shoot, is it sort of grows like a feather, but not as full. Also right now in yard, you can see the seeds shooting out, because they are taller then the other grass. But, do appreciate your other picture of grass you posted. Thanks
Here's a picture of bermuda (L) with Zoysia (R). The marked difference in the texture can easily be seen.

[PaPaLarry]

Here's a picture of bermuda (L) with Zoysia (R). The marked difference in the texture can easily be seen.
Thanks Mikeod!!! Thats perfect. That shows how the bermuda has off shoots, so everyone can see. They seem to be harder to pull out of ground also.

[Mikeod]

Thanks Mikeod!!! Thats perfect. That shows how the bermuda has off shoots, so everyone can see. They seem to be harder to pull out of ground also.

Yes. The roots go down fast and deep. Even when you feel you've pulled it out, if there is any part of the root or stolon left, it will sprout again. In CA, you had to either chemically kill the whole area, or put a cover over it to block out the sun to kill it. Even then, if a neighbor had it, those seed stalks would reseed your area. The best way I found to keep it out was to sod with hybrid Bermuda. That seemed to keep out the common Bermuda. But you still had to kill the entire area and then wait to make sure no Bermuda resurfaced before laying the new sod. It was sometimes easier to get a bobcat and dig out the lawn, then put in fresh soil and sod.