A question for the right wingers

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Since a question was posed earlier to liberals, I have a counter question for right wing conservatives. It seems that all far right conservatives like to label anyone who disagrees with ANY of their positions as a "liberal". It also seems as if they are more enamored with their ideological stances than they are with actually getting things accomplished and moving the country forward. I have seen and heard many agree with rush limbaugh in hoping that our president fails. In other words their ideology, and proving themselves right is more important to them than having our country succeed. I have always been an independent voter, but have become increasingly disdainful of the far right and their seeming stranglehold on the republican party. This, of course, makes me a "liberal". My question is, how do you propose to win the presidency and congress if you are unable to get a majority of independents to vote for republicans? The strategy of alienating everyone who does not buy into the tea party, take no prisoners mentality, does not sit well with most independent voters. According to the article I will link, 40% of voters self identify as independent, while 31% identify themseves as democrat, and 27% as republican.
Record-High Number of Independent Voters Spells Trouble for Progressives and the Tea Party (http://www.policymic.com/articles/3283/record-high-number-of-independent-voters-spells-trouble-for-progressives-and-the-tea-party)

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Since a question was posed earlier to liberals, I have a counter question for right wing conservatives. It seems that all far right conservatives like to label anyone who disagrees with ANY of their positions as a "liberal". It also seems as if they are more enamored with their ideological stances than they are with actually getting things accomplished and moving the country forward. I have seen and heard many agree with rush limbaugh in hoping that our president fails. In other words their ideology, and proving themselves right is more important to them than having our country succeed. I have always been an independent voter, but have become increasingly disdainful of the far right and their seeming stranglehold on the republican party. This, of course, makes me a "liberal". My question is, how do you propose to win the presidency and congress if you are unable to get a majority of independents to vote for republicans? The strategy of alienating everyone who does not buy into the tea party, take no prisoners mentality, does not sit well with most independent voters. According to the article I will link, 40% of voters self identify as independent, while 31% identify themseves as democrat, and 27% as republican.
Record-High Number of Independent Voters Spells Trouble for Progressives and the Tea Party (http://www.policymic.com/articles/3283/record-high-number-of-independent-voters-spells-trouble-for-progressives-and-the-tea-party)

With all due respect I do not agree with LABELS of any sort and try hard not to use them ever. I oppose Obama in the strongest terms but that does not make me what you would like to label me as. I concur that we should be only interested in moving the country forward but obviously we disagree on how that can be done.

Your comments simply confirm what everyone knows...we have a serious impasse and a serious breaks between radical forms AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, we lack any kind of leadership that will bring our "statesman" together.

Great example is that of the past immigration efforts that would have been law years ago.....Bush supported it.....congress in both houses could not get either the far left nor the far right to concur and thus we have what we have.

I am staying away from some opinions that are focused on present company in office as I assume your question was not to "start a war" of words but engage conversation.

The election coming up is of great import......whoever wins will be faced with great problems. If Romney should win, he MUST immediately forge a bond with democratic leaders...if Obama is reelected, he is toast without winning both houses since he has demeaned the Republican party by name for years and he is not going to get any co operation whatsoever...not debating the merits of that...simply giving my opinion on what might happen.

I think the anger with Obama on lying, personally deciding what laws he will enforce, the economy an a few other thing spells a landslide for Romney unless he screws up the debates no matter the polls. I spent the last few days in Tampa, a very "liberal" city...and the most progressive people here are very very upset with Obama and his lack of leadership. They,, like me, and it appears that you also, want what is best for America and not a political dogma

What you see on what you call the right..ie following dogma before country is exactly what the right sees on the left. You mention a Limbaugh, they will call your attention to MSNBC and a few other folks.

You make it appear one sided...it is not one sided. The left feels as strong about their ideological stand as the right does. Surely you have read the posts on this forum to substantiate BOTH. Surely you read enough to substantiate BOTH.

Too much money......behind the scenes on BOTH sides. I agree with former Rep Harold Ford who said this weekend that the money being spent is so excessive that he can only see a MAJOR HUGE earthshaking scandal to emerge and it could be on either side.

WE NEED LEADERSHIP....do not need the smartest guy....dont need him or her to be democrat or republican....just a good american who can LEAD.

I probably should not have answered this post because I know what you want to happen and I really tried to be objective because despite my objections to the man in the WH, I surely recognize the obvious problems this country faces with the ideological divide we have fueled by the money, the lobbyist, etc.

Sorry..I know from past experience you will be attacking and making fun of me and that is fine.....knock yourself out, but the current situation is just not something this country can sustain and survive and continuing to label people is just plan wrong and counter productive.

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eweissenbach, when rush says he hopes Obma fails he means he doesn't want the country to go in the direction Obama wants to take it. We don't feel the country can succeed following Obama's path. Are you paying attention to what is happening in Europe? I have lived in a socialist country. No thanks. Actually I think Obama wants to go beyond socialism.

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With all due respect I do not agree with LABELS of any sort and try hard not to use them ever. I oppose Obama in the strongest terms but that does not make me what you would like to label me as. I concur that we should be only interested in moving the country forward but obviously we disagree on how that can be done.

Your comments simply confirm what everyone knows...we have a serious impasse and a serious breaks between radical forms AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, we lack any kind of leadership that will bring our "statesman" together.

Great example is that of the past immigration efforts that would have been law years ago.....Bush supported it.....congress in both houses could not get either the far left nor the far right to concur and thus we have what we have.

I am staying away from some opinions that are focused on present company in office as I assume your question was not to "start a war" of words but engage conversation.

The election coming up is of great import......whoever wins will be faced with great problems. If Romney should win, he MUST immediately forge a bond with democratic leaders...if Obama is reelected, he is toast without winning both houses since he has demeaned the Republican party by name for years and he is not going to get any co operation whatsoever...not debating the merits of that...simply giving my opinion on what might happen.

I think the anger with Obama on lying, personally deciding what laws he will enforce, the economy an a few other thing spells a landslide for Romney unless he screws up the debates no matter the polls. I spent the last few days in Tampa, a very "liberal" city...and the most progressive people here are very very upset with Obama and his lack of leadership. They,, like me, and it appears that you also, want what is best for America and not a political dogma

What you see on what you call the right..ie following dogma before country is exactly what the right sees on the left. You mention a Limbaugh, they will call your attention to MSNBC and a few other folks.

You make it appear one sided...it is not one sided. The left feels as strong about their ideological stand as the right does. Surely you have read the posts on this forum to substantiate BOTH. Surely you read enough to substantiate BOTH.

Too much money......behind the scenes on BOTH sides. I agree with former Rep Harold Ford who said this weekend that the money being spent is so excessive that he can only see a MAJOR HUGE earthshaking scandal to emerge and it could be on either side.

WE NEED LEADERSHIP....do not need the smartest guy....dont need him or her to be democrat or republican....just a good american who can LEAD.

I probably should not have answered this post because I know what you want to happen and I really tried to be objective because despite my objections to the man in the WH, I surely recognize the obvious problems this country faces with the ideological divide we have fueled by the money, the lobbyist, etc.

Sorry..I know from past experience you will be attacking and making fun of me and that is fine.....knock yourself out, but the current situation is just not something this country can sustain and survive and continuing to label people is just plan wrong and counter productive.

This was a pretty good and reasonable post until the last paragraph.

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This was a pretty good and reasonable post until the last paragraph.


Just based on my experience..nothing personal but you cannot believe the names I have been called both publicly on here and in pm;s since the election of 2008

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Since a question was posed earlier to liberals, I have a counter question for right wing conservatives. It seems that all far right conservatives like to label anyone who disagrees with ANY of their positions as a "liberal". It also seems as if they are more enamored with their ideological stances than they are with actually getting things accomplished and moving the country forward. I have seen and heard many agree with rush limbaugh in hoping that our president fails. In other words their ideology, and proving themselves right is more important to them than having our country succeed. I have always been an independent voter, but have become increasingly disdainful of the far right and their seeming stranglehold on the republican party. This, of course, makes me a "liberal". My question is, how do you propose to win the presidency and congress if you are unable to get a majority of independents to vote for republicans? The strategy of alienating everyone who does not buy into the tea party, take no prisoners mentality, does not sit well with most independent voters. According to the article I will link, 40% of voters self identify as independent, while 31% identify themseves as democrat, and 27% as republican.
Record-High Number of Independent Voters Spells Trouble for Progressives and the Tea Party (http://www.policymic.com/articles/3283/record-high-number-of-independent-voters-spells-trouble-for-progressives-and-the-tea-party)

Regarding this: "My question is, how do you propose to win the presidency and congress if you are unable to get a majority of independents to vote for republicans?"

You and many other Obama fans seem to forget that voters have a mind of their own--especially independent voters--and thinking democrats, republicans, and independents will vote for the PERSON they think is best, not the party!!!

The bar graph chart in this Milwaukee Journal article illustrates this best. It shows the percentages that voted for Walker in 2010 and then in the 2012 recall 2 weeks ago against the same opponent.

Over 50% of Independents, 45% of moderates, 9% of democrats, and 38% of union households voted for Walker.

This means that people think for themselves and are not so irresponsible as to vote straight party line.

Also, contrary to what many democrats assume, there is no republican nor TEA Party monster in the voting booth, forcing the person's hand to mark only a republican's name.

Walker vs. Barrett: The sequel was a replay of the original - JSOnline (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/157378455.html#!page=4&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst)

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I have seen and heard many agree with rush limbaugh in hoping that our president fails. In other words their ideology, and proving themselves right is more important to them than having our country succeed.

This is why it's sometime pointless to argue with those who just follow the liberal talking points.

Anybody with half a brain who listened to Rush Limbaugh say he hopes the President will fail, knows it's because Rush Limbaugh believes the President's policies will destroy the America he knows and loves.

Why would Rush Limbaugh want The Amateur's policies to succeed in destroying America?

For America to succeed, The Amateur must fail.

You're free to misunderstand my clear explanation...................again.

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oldcoached - you ask, "My question is, how do you propose to win the presidency and congress if you are unable to get a majority of independents to vote for republicans?"

i don't think any republican or conservative has to get a majority of independents to vote for republicans...i think obama is already doing a find job of that!

of course, that belief is only based on my personal interactions with family and friends and is not based on anything i read here or in a newspaper, hear on the radio or from the talking bobblehead personalities on fox and msnbc...it's just my real life experience.

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We need to have a leader who will say, "Let's go thru every law passed and make sure that it passes the Constitutional check. If it don't then it is to be repealed and done away with." Will it every happen, don't think so, but sure would be nice for our criminal politicans to think of the Country and what good it would do for We The People and not what will it fill their pocket with.

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This is why it's sometime pointless to argue with those who just follow the liberal talking points.

Anybody with half a brain who listened to Rush Limbaugh say he hopes the President will fail, knows it's because Rush Limbaugh believes the President's policies will destroy the America he knows and loves.

Why would Rush Limbaugh want The Amateur's policies to succeed in destroying America?

For America to succeed, The Amateur must fail.

You're free to misunderstand my clear explanation...................again.

Totally ignorant post.

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Totally ignorant post.

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Have a cup of coffee and relax, your blood pressure is way to high.

Oh, BTW, Good Morning, Sunshine. :a040:

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This is why it's sometime pointless to argue with those who just follow the liberal talking points.

Anybody with half a brain who listened to Rush Limbaugh say he hopes the President will fail, knows it's because Rush Limbaugh believes the President's policies will destroy the America he knows and loves.

Why would Rush Limbaugh want The Amateur's policies to succeed in destroying America?

For America to succeed, The Amateur must fail.

You're free to misunderstand my clear explanation...................again.

I copied a very clear explanation from a blog. These are not my words but they very clearly express my thoughts as well as the thoughts of countless other Americans.

"Rush Limbaugh, is a big, fat, ugly, white guy with no heart and no brain. So, whatever he says is not surprising. It is usually mean-spirited, false, untrue, nasty, idiotic, stupid, cruel, etc., but it is not surprising.

Limbaugh thinks the inauguration of President Barack Obama was a miserable failure, a flop, a joke, nothing more than another campaign event. Heh, heh.

He has a right to his opinion, of course, in spite of the fact that millions of people around the world would heartily disagree, but that's only the beginning.

Limbaugh wants President Obama to fail as president. Here's what he said on his radio show last Friday:

"I disagree fervently with the people on our [Republican] side of the aisle who have caved and who say, ‘Well, I hope he succeeds.’”

Then he mentioned he had been asked by “a major American print publication” to offer a 400-word statement explaining his “hope for the Obama presidency.” He responded:

"So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, 'Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four. I hope he fails. What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, 'Oh, you can't do that.' Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipe here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: 'Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails.' Somebody's gotta say it."

What the fat, ugly white man is really promoting, of course, is the failure of the country. And, he knows very well that "liberalism" isn't the problem, but the cure. The problems of our nation are not the result of liberalism, but are the spawn of the "conservative" politics Limbaugh showcases.

And what he doesn't realize is that his day is over. The country has moved in another direction. The population is changing rapidly and dramatically. Limbaugh, a sad and pathetic excuse for a human being, will find his audience made up of more and more of the marginalized, the mentally ill, the dumb and dumber, and the world will pass him by like roadkill on an Interstate. "

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I copied a very clear explanation from a blog. These are not my words but they very clearly express my thoughts as well as the thoughts of countless other Americans.

"Rush Limbaugh, is a big, fat, ugly, white guy with no heart and no brain. So, whatever he says is not surprising. It is usually mean-spirited, false, untrue, nasty, idiotic, stupid, cruel, etc., but it is not surprising.

Limbaugh thinks the inauguration of President Barack Obama was a miserable failure, a flop, a joke, nothing more than another campaign event. Heh, heh.

He has a right to his opinion, of course, in spite of the fact that millions of people around the world would heartily disagree, but that's only the beginning.

Limbaugh wants President Obama to fail as president. Here's what he said on his radio show last Friday:

"I disagree fervently with the people on our [Republican] side of the aisle who have caved and who say, ‘Well, I hope he succeeds.’”

Then he mentioned he had been asked by “a major American print publication” to offer a 400-word statement explaining his “hope for the Obama presidency.” He responded:

"So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, 'Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four. I hope he fails. What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, 'Oh, you can't do that.' Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipe here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: 'Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails.' Somebody's gotta say it."

What the fat, ugly white man is really promoting, of course, is the failure of the country. And, he knows very well that "liberalism" isn't the problem, but the cure. The problems of our nation are not the result of liberalism, but are the spawn of the "conservative" politics Limbaugh showcases.

And what he doesn't realize is that his day is over. The country has moved in another direction. The population is changing rapidly and dramatically. Limbaugh, a sad and pathetic excuse for a human being, will find his audience made up of more and more of the marginalized, the mentally ill, the dumb and dumber, and the world will pass him by like roadkill on an Interstate. "

For the record, your post is from the website ZIMBIO, an entertainment website, and is from a post on January 21, 2009 !

Since you did not use quotation marks as required by this forum, nor give the proper credit to the author of the words, it would appear to be a violation of board rules, but I simply want to make sure that folks know the source of your words.

Actually, it was originally posted on a blog with the following quote at the top....

"
Contextual Criticism

Political and religious commentary from a liberal, secular, humanistic perspective."

It appears to have been written by someone named "Lowell". Here is a link to that website

Contextual Criticism: Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to fail (http://mythandhope.blogspot.com/2009/01/rush-limbaugh-wants-obama-to-fail.html)

And this will bring you to ZIMBIO...

Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to fail - Rush Limbaugh - Zimbio (http://www.zimbio.com/Rush+Limbaugh/articles/4421425/Rush+Limbaugh+wants+Obama+fail)

All of this from a man who constantly criticizes folks for listening to Fox News.

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Totally ignorant post.

Can't take the truth, as usual. My explanation is clear as a bell, and exactly the crux of what Rush said on the very day he "agreed" with sycophants like you who cried "he wants Obama to fail". He said he certainly did, and gave his reasons.

As always with you, I know I've outthought you and won the debate when all you can do is to attack me for having the gall to do so.

It's going to be hard not to discuss too much politics later this afternoon, I'm guessing. (inside joke)

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For the record, your post is from the website ZIMBIO, an entertainment website, and is from a post on January 21, 2009 !

Since you did not use quotation marks as required by this forum, nor give the proper credit to the author of the words, it would appear to be a violation of board rules, but I simply want to make sure that folks know the source of your words.

Actually, it was originally posted on a blog with the following quote at the top....

"
Contextual Criticism

Political and religious commentary from a liberal, secular, humanistic perspective."

It appears to have been written by someone named "Lowell". Here is a link to that website

Contextual Criticism: Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to fail (http://mythandhope.blogspot.com/2009/01/rush-limbaugh-wants-obama-to-fail.html)

And this will bring you to ZIMBIO...

Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to fail - Rush Limbaugh - Zimbio (http://www.zimbio.com/Rush+Limbaugh/articles/4421425/Rush+Limbaugh+wants+Obama+fail)

All of this from a man who constantly criticizes folks for listening to Fox News.


As I stated at the beginning of the reply, these words were not my own but copied from some blog. If you notice, I did use quotation marks when I began the copied information. I am glad that I have you to double check every thing I post and to have you eager to find where my quotation is from. Thank you very much. :ohdear:

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As I stated at the beginning of the reply, these words were not my own but copied from some blog. If you notice, I did use quotation marks when I began the copied information. I am glad that I have you to double check every thing I post and to have you eager to find where my quotation is from. Thank you very much. :ohdear:

I am under the impression that the rule on this forum is that you credit your source (even those that are 3 years old like yours)...that is the law of copyright and I, unlike you and the President, believe that this country is a country of LAWS, not MEN !

You are welcome.....not reported as I am not into that but thought you might want to know the rules and the LAW. The President sort of decides on his own what laws to enforce and those to not enforce which in my opinion, in reality, is the basis of the foundation of this country !

I can attest, as can the administrators of the board that this is a serious law for those in this business.

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I am under the impression that the rule on this forum is that you credit your source (even those that are 3 years old like yours)...that is the law of copyright and I, unlike you and the President, believe that this country is a country of LAWS, not MEN !

You are welcome.....not reported as I am not into that but thought you might want to know the rules and the LAW. The President sort of decides on his own what laws to enforce and those to not enforce which in my opinion, in reality, is the basis of the foundation of this country !

I can attest, as can the administrators of the board that this is a serious law for those in this business.


Whatever.:ohdear::ohdear:

[Guest]

I am under the impression that the rule on this forum is that you credit your source (even those that are 3 years old like yours)...that is the law of copyright and I, unlike you and the President, believe that this country is a country of LAWS, not MEN !

You are welcome.....not reported as I am not into that but thought you might want to know the rules and the LAW. The President sort of decides on his own what laws to enforce and those to not enforce which in my opinion, in reality, is the basis of the foundation of this country !

I can attest, as can the administrators of the board that this is a serious law for those in this business.

Bucco you continue to impress me. I read the entire thread and the only name I would call you is "intelligent"