MSNBC caught again...

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Can't say as it surprises me. We all know the left has no charter or common decadency, especially in the Obama main stream media.

MSNBC Caught Deceptively Editing Video Of Mitt Romney (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/msnbc-caught-deceptively-editing-video-of-mitt-romney/)

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Do you remember back in 2009 when the media (finally!) actually admitted that they gave way more air time to Obama vs. McCain? I do.

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I really do wonder how many times before that Mr. Romney had bought a sandwich in a WaWa and used a debit card to do it.

Yes, editing a clip like that is the wrong thing to do - for any newsgroup to do.

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When I watch news stations, I tend to understand that the broadcast is often 'based on a true story' and various broadcasters have there own bias. My concern has always been the number of people who takes a story as the truth if they see it on television.

That said, IMO this was not your normal bias, this was a blatant lie, a COMPLETE misrepresentation of the truth. Watching the video on MSNBC, I wonder if she even knew the tape was edited? If she knew this and still portrayed the story as she did, she should be called on it by colleagues on all stations. I am not calling on firing her, but I would not mind if she was a headline story in a very embarrassing way on all networks for the day :evil6:

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And nobody on this forum is calling for the firing of Neill Monroe, The Daily Caller reporter, who very rudely interrupted President Obama while the president was making a statement in the Rose Garden? It's shocking that anybody on this forum even watches MSNBC.

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Those responsible at NBC for editing George Zimmerman's 911 call to police so that the tape appeared to show that Zimmerman was making a racist comment instead of merely answering the dispatcher's question were unceremoniously fired.

MSNBC should follow suit and can the employees and their supervisor who perpetrated this hoax on the American public.

But really, NBC has shown over and over again that it is virtually just another arm of the Democrat National Committee.

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Those responsible at NBC for editing George Zimmerman's 911 call to police so that the tape appeared to show that Zimmerman was making a racist comment instead of merely answering the dispatcher's question were unceremoniously fired.

MSNBC should follow suit and can the employees and their supervisor who perpetrated this hoax on the American public.

But really, NBC has shown over and over again that it is virtually just another arm of the Democrat National Committee.

As opposed to Fox News?????????????????????????????

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Those responsible at NBC for editing George Zimmerman's 911 call to police so that the tape appeared to show that Zimmerman was making a racist comment instead of merely answering the dispatcher's question were unceremoniously fired.

MSNBC should follow suit and can the employees and their supervisor who perpetrated this hoax on the American public.

But really, NBC has shown over and over again that it is virtually just another arm of the Democrat National Committee.

I would not call it a hoax by any means. Personally, I do not care one way or another about it.

However, do you honestly feel that Mr. Romney has visited any WaWa or other convenience stores before this campaign and used a debit card to buy a sandwich? It probably was a new experience for him.

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I would not call it a hoax by any means. Personally, I do not care one way or another about it.

However, do you honestly feel that Mr. Romney has visited any WaWa or other convenience stores before this campaign and used a debit card to buy a sandwich? It probably was a new experience for him.

Your point make no sense to me.

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Your point make no sense to me.

Point being that Mr. Romney is OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AVERAGE PEOPLE OF AMERICA.

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Point being that Mr. Romney is OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AVERAGE PEOPLE OF AMERICA.

That's exactly what the results were of Bloomberg National Poll, which has President Obama leading Mitt Romney by 13 points - 53-40%. The poll says that voters view Romney as out of touch.


Obama Leads in Poll as Voters View Romney as Out of Touch - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-20/obama-leads-in-poll-as-voters-view-romney-as-out-of-touch.html)

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That's exactly what the results were of Bloomberg National Poll, which has President Obama leading Mitt Romney by 13 points - 53-40%. The poll says that voters view Romney as out of touch.


Obama Leads in Poll as Voters View Romney as Out of Touch - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-20/obama-leads-in-poll-as-voters-view-romney-as-out-of-touch.html)

to which i add Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reports™ (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track)

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Lets stay on point here....the subject is the trampling of news by MSNBC.


Those who feel so righteous when on here criticizing Fox always and ever and with no credence supplied must understand this network has been sold out to the Democratic party.

In just a few weeks, we have had

.....A disparaging remark about vets done for a political point. Saying he felt uncomfortable calling our vets "heroes"

.....I will admit that question that was asked of Obama the other day should not have been presented in that way, an MSNBC guest was allow to question whether or not it would have been done had the President been white

Now the editing of a story presented during a campaign stop by a candidate.

The evidence mounts that this is in fact an arm of the Democratic party and they even make that clear in their ads for shows on that network.

I do not know the relativity of the drop in numbers....all cable channels had a drop in the last year and MSNBC was second only to CNN in drop of viewers and CNN is in a free fall.

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Your point make no sense to me.

I this point I have to agree with Richie.... My trips to WaWa usually end up with me using a Credit or Debit card. No big deal.....I don't like to carry much cash when I can use a debit card instead.

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Lets stay on point here....the subject is the trampling of news by MSNBC.


Those who feel so righteous when on here criticizing Fox always and ever and with no credence supplied must understand this network has been sold out to the Democratic party.

In just a few weeks, we have had

.....A disparaging remark about vets done for a political point. Saying he felt uncomfortable calling our vets "heroes"

.....I will admit that question that was asked of Obama the other day should not have been presented in that way, an MSNBC guest was allow to question whether or not it would have been done had the President been white

Now the editing of a story presented during a campaign stop by a candidate.

The evidence mounts that this is in fact an arm of the Democratic party and they even make that clear in their ads for shows on that network.

I do not know the relativity of the drop in numbers....all cable channels had a drop in the last year and MSNBC was second only to CNN in drop of viewers and CNN is in a free fall.

I think we could all agree that MSNBC is the progressive voice of the Democratic party. Just as Fox News is the conservative voice of the Republican party.

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I think we could all agree that MSNBC is the progressive voice of the Democratic party. Just as Fox News is the conservative voice of the Republican party.

It would appear that most posters do not agree. The only PARTY leaning network is Fox according to our posters.

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It's not just MSNBC. They will all pull out the stops for their guy Obama no matter how much they will have to lie and distort. That's what they do.

On another note, at this same point and time, Carter was up in the polls 15% over Reagan as the very same media pounded Reagan every day.

Reagan won in a landslide.

Nov is coming up folks... watch and see. No matter how the left spins it, people are done with Obama and his anti-America and anti-business ways.

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It would appear that most posters do not agree. The only PARTY leaning network is Fox according to our posters.

I think you would have to look mighty hard and long to find posters who did not think that MSNBC is very liberal and kind of hard to listen to for more than a couple of minutes. FOX is the same way with the right but they do have more interesting commentators on FOX.

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Nov is coming up folks... watch and see. No matter how the left spins it, people are done with Obama and his anti-America and anti-business ways.

if people were NOT done with obama, why would msnbc feel the need to distort their reporting? if obama has the votes of the dems, women, blacks, hispanics, etc, why is there so much of an attack on romney?...why is there such a need to raise buckets of campaign cash?...why isn't the obama campaign and msnbc just running him on his record?

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I this point I have to agree with Richie.... My trips to WaWa usually end up with me using a Credit or Debit card. No big deal.....I don't like to carry much cash when I can use a debit card instead.

Do you think that Mr. Romney visited WaWa's or other convenience stores before the campaigning and used a debit card before the campaigning? I seriously doubt it - and that is why the MSNBC put it on the air as they did - to show Mr. Romney is OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AVERAGE AMERICAN.

Polls show that the majority of voting Americans believe Romney is OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AVERAGE AMERICAN.

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It's not just MSNBC. They will all pull out the stops for their guy Obama no matter how much they will have to lie and distort. That's what they do.

On another note, at this same point and time, Carter was up in the polls 15% over Reagan as the very same media pounded Reagan every day.

Reagan won in a landslide.

Nov is coming up folks... watch and see. No matter how the left spins it, people are done with Obama and his anti-America and anti-business ways.

I believe the left leaning "main stream media" is a right wing conspiracy!!!

LOL:icon_wink:

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The MSNBC report narrated by Andrea Mitchell, wife of Alan Greenspan and edited intentionally to make Mitt Romney look like he is out of touch with the average guy was a serious infraction of a journalist integrity. This breach is exacerbated because it was committed by a well thought of professional such as Ms. Mitchell who is married to one of the most notable Americans of our century.

The misrepresentation while egregcious pales in comparison to the implications of this breach. It is really tragic because if the American people cannot believe what is reported in their local newspapers then perhaps we are beginning to witness the beginning of the end. The integrity of our journalist , the voice of the people should be accurate to the degree of journalistic certainty.

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I believe the left leaning "main stream media" is a right wing conspiracy!!!

LOL:icon_wink:

Now that was very good...we dont agree much COLOGAL, but this is funny !

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I think you would have to look mighty hard and long to find posters who did not think that MSNBC is very liberal and kind of hard to listen to for more than a couple of minutes. FOX is the same way with the right but they do have more interesting commentators on FOX.

You could very well be correct in what you say...no way to know.

All I know is the support they seem to get on everything and one of your cohorts said in an earlier post about having it on all the time and being an avid fan of the network and certain shows.

But, you might be right....dont hear many folks mention near as much as Fox !

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the discussions could become very short and to the point if the concept of right or wrong could be applied by some posters.

The continual defense by some by using examples from else where is nothing more than trying to establish a wrong is OK because lookie, lookie who did or said something like it before!!!!

Two wrongs never make a right!!

btk

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What a dirty, disgraceful thing to do. I use to be proud to say I worked as a journalist. How much more obvious can the tilt to the left be when it comes to the news media? What MSNBC did is disgusting and they should be called on the rug for doing that blatant editing to make Romney look bad. People! Wake-up!

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What a dirty, disgraceful thing to do. I use to be proud to say I worked as a journalist. How much more obvious can the tilt to the left be when it comes to the news media? What MSNBC did is disgusting and they should be called on the rug for doing that blatant editing to make Romney look bad. People! Wake-up!

YES....wake up..wake up....right on BK

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Do you think that Mr. Romney visited WaWa's or other convenience stores before the campaigning and used a debit card before the campaigning? I seriously doubt it - and that is why the MSNBC put it on the air as they did - to show Mr. Romney is OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AVERAGE AMERICAN.

Polls show that the majority of voting Americans believe Romney is OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AVERAGE AMERICAN.

Can you prove Gov. Romney never went to aconvenience store and used a debit card?

These reporters have a story to tell and find "facts" to back them up. Case in point; Katie Couric used to be a local reporter on NBC Channel 4 in DC. She made a series of reports about singles in DC when HIV/AIDS was new. She wanted to say that people joined singles clubs to avoid Aids. She came to one of our monthly Catholic Alumni Club of Washington dances. No officer would say such a lie, they filmed at our dance, and found a visitor who would say on camera that maybe it was a way to avoid AIDS, she put that on TV. She also filmed a Jewish Singles softball game. cut to a MD who said you can't tell if someone has AIDS by sight. But she persisted in her fake story.

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Can you prove Gov. Romney never went to aconvenience store and used a debit card?

These reporters have a story to tell and find "facts" to back them up. Case in point; Katie Couric used to be a local reporter on NBC Channel 4 in DC. She made a series of reports about singles in DC when HIV/AIDS was new. She wanted to say that people joined singles clubs to avoid Aids. She came to one of our monthly Catholic Alumni Club of Washington dances. No officer would say such a lie, they filmed at our dance, and found a visitor who would say on camera that maybe it was a way to avoid AIDS, she put that on TV. She also filmed a Jewish Singles softball game. cut to a MD who said you can't tell if someone has AIDS by sight. But she persisted in her fake story.

Of course he cant prove anything he says about Romney....that takes too much time and effort...facts are tiring I suppose !

Just say it and move on, as a poster likes to say.....cannot think of the name used for folks who just come on to stir things up and then leave...but will check on that.

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Of course he cant prove anything he says about Romney....that takes too much time and effort...facts are tiring I suppose !

Just say it and move on, as a poster likes to say.....cannot think of the name used for folks who just come on to stir things up and then leave...but will check on that.

Flamers.

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Flamers.

Thats the word...thank you BK !

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Point being that Mr. Romney is OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AVERAGE PEOPLE OF AMERICA.

That's only if you've only viewed the doctored by NBC tape. Are you just messing around here? You've got to stop listening to Angrier Mitchell.

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Can't say as it surprises me. We all know the left has no charter or common decadency, especially in the Obama main stream media.

MSNBC Caught Deceptively Editing Video Of Mitt Romney (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/msnbc-caught-deceptively-editing-video-of-mitt-romney/)

But the Right never does these things....

Jon Stewart Calls Out Fox News Over Obama Tape Edit (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/jon-stewart-fox-news-obama-tape-edit_n_1611735.html)

Hannity!!!

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But the Right never does these things....

Jon Stewart Calls Out Fox News Over Obama Tape Edit (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/jon-stewart-fox-news-obama-tape-edit_n_1611735.html)

Hannity!!!

NO news source should do this...amen !!!

Cable television sucks relative to getting NEWS !!!! Read, Read, Read....do not allow others to make up your mind for you !

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I am just shocked beyond words that so many posters on this forum watch MSNBC and Jon Stewart.

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I am just shocked beyond words that so many posters on this forum watch MSNBC and Jon Stewart.

Looking at the ratings those you speak of may be the grand total !!!

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Jon Stewert rocks!!!!
And you could add the IQ's of Hannity & Van Sustern and O'Reilly and still not get close to that of Rachel Maddow. :laugh:

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I am just shocked beyond words that so many posters on this forum watch MSNBC and Jon Stewart.

I admit to watching MSNBC from time to time but the link came from The Huffington Post. Don't watch Stewart.

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I am just shocked beyond words that so many posters n this forum watch MSNBC and Jon Stewart.

janmcn: The only reason I knew about thr MSNBC incident was from a report from the internet. So perhaps many of the posters here also found out from another source

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I admit to watching MSNBC from time to time but the link came from The Huffington Post. Don't watch Stewart.

Turn off the tv and read newspapers, follow up on what you read, validate it all and do not allow the talking heads to tell you what you think...they ALL bend the truth to where they want the story to go.

Having said that...I am about half way through the new book "CRONKITE" by Douglas Brinkley....it is actually a great history told through the prism of Conkrite's career !!!! Just a suggestion

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Turn off the tv and read newspapers, follow up on what you read, validate it all and do not allow the talking heads to tell you what you think...they ALL bend the truth to where they want the story to go.

Having said that...I am about half way through the new book "CRONKITE" by Douglas Brinkley....it is actually a great history told through the prism of Conkrite's career !!!! Just a suggestion

That is a good suggestion, Bucco. I was trying to explain to some of my liberal friends that they need to verify some of the hogwash they take as "fact" from bloggers and the MSM. But it is like talking to a wall sometimes. They swear that what Jon Stewart says is the Gospel.

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as I mentioned in another post can some participants EVER offer a personal opinion instead of always, ALWAYS referring to what they think some one else did that they THINK is similar and use that to side step the issue.

How about real, first person, non retro, blame some others PERSONAL opinion on the issue being addressed? Parroting is not a first person opinion no matte how it is cut!

btk

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That is a good suggestion, Bucco. I was trying to explain to some of my liberal friends that they need to verify some of the hogwash they take as "fact" from bloggers and the MSM. But it is like talking to a wall sometimes. They swear that what Jon Stewart says is the Gospel.


Jon Stewart, Bill Mahr....wow...these comics are getting rich of these people.

IT does not bode well for this country....NOBODY cares about truth,and I am sure as a journalist you understand, NOBODY cares about checking on FACTS before committing a post and on here what amazes me...when confronted with facts, you do not get an apology...you get a snide remark and off they go to another read to demean whomever.

I am sure you recall the days before all this clap trap on tv, when to be informed you had to read, check and compare...that is how you made your decisions. No negative ads being pumped at you...simply candidate telling you the voter how they see our situation and offering their solutions. Where character counted and was not discounted.

You, as someone in journalism would love Cronkite.....great book and it shows his warts as well as his good points.

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Jon Stewert rocks!!!!
And you could add the IQ's of Hannity & Van Sustern and O'Reilly and still not get close to that of Rachel Maddow. :laugh:

dalemn - watch your spelling - that should be rachael madcow! ;)

seriously, i have tried very hard to watch her show - but her commentary makes me physically nauseous! i cannot put my finger on just why she and i do not get along - i love other people's opinion and learn much from those opinions [though i don't always agree with them] - but rachael turns my stomach!

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That is a good suggestion, Bucco. I was trying to explain to some of my liberal friends that they need to verify some of the hogwash they take as "fact" from bloggers and the MSM. But it is like talking to a wall sometimes. They swear that what Jon Stewart says is the Gospel.

I am an independent, and neither conservative nor liberal. I have never voted a straight repub or demo ticket, and will not this year. Some of my views would be considered conservative and others liberal. Most people tend to view any opinion, or even fact, as an outrageous lie, if it disagrees with their ideology. The fact is, in my opinion, that both sides of the spectrum are equal opportunity liars and manipulators of fact. If you think the other side is the sole purveyor of untruth and deceit, you are probably out of touch with reality. I get a kick out of forums like this in their predictability - I can predict with almost 100% certainty how most posters will react to a given subject. An open and broad mind is a very rare commodity.

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I am an independent, and neither conservative nor liberal. I have never voted a straight repub or demo ticket, and will not this year. Some of my views would be considered conservative and others liberal. Most people tend to view any opinion, or even fact, as an outrageous lie, if it disagrees with their ideology. The fact is, in my opinion, that both sides of the spectrum are equal opportunity liars and manipulators of fact. If you think the other side is the sole purveyor of untruth and deceit, you are probably out of touch with reality. I get a kick out of forums like this in their predictability - I can predict with almost 100% certainty how most posters will react to a given subject. An open and broad mind is a very rare commodity.

Although I am brushing gunpowder from my shirt as I appreciate your aim, I do agree with you !

I wish and hope that Obama goes in 2012 for a lot of reasons but one is so I can prove I am not anti anything, except for this man. My fear of him unfettered is real and proven as in healthcare bill when controlling congress, I would describe myself MORE right than left but do not dismiss left wing ideas of any sort.

The only thing I disagree with is that IF you search, you can find the truth in most cases, but if you search in the same place, you never will.

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Although I am brushing gunpowder from my shirt as I appreciate your aim, I do agree with you !

I wish and hope that Obama goes in 2012 for a lot of reasons but one is so I can prove I am not anti anything, except for this man. My fear of him unfettered is real and proven as in healthcare bill when controlling congress, I would describe myself MORE right than left but do not dismiss left wing ideas of any sort.

The only thing I disagree with is that IF you search, you can find the truth in most cases, but if you search in the same place, you never will.

Unfortunately, Bucco, I find the truth to be, generally, in the eye of the beholder as they say. Absolute truth is very hard to discern, and I seldom trust anyone or any source to provide absolute truth. Virtually everyone who posts, writes, or otherwise articulates and opines has an agenda or a slant to their point of view.

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Unfortunately, Bucco, I find the truth to be, generally, in the eye of the beholder as they say. Absolute truth is very hard to discern, and I seldom trust anyone or any source to provide absolute truth. Virtually everyone who posts, writes, or otherwise articulates and opines has an agenda or a slant to their point of view.

While all you say is absolutely true, without being too philosophical on this, to get the truth, whether in your eyes or not, you need facts. At that point, you are correct, the truth is then not absolute, but it IS informed opinion. So perhaps truth is the wrong word.....and informed opinions are what I respect.

To engage in informed political discourse, you need information to arrive at whatever truth you seek, and offering opinions based on party affliation, etc and NOT seeking data to support HOW you arrived there is a big gap.

Let me add that LISTENING is important also in that information gathering.

As an example. I expressed total and complete opposition during the 2008 campaign to what we have come to know as Obamacare. However, after the primary and leading up to the election, I read as much as I could from all liberal sources and Obama himself, and found myself actually looking forward to passage of what was offered to me as the plan.

It obviously got a bit out of hand and I resent all of it now, but point is I LISTENED to what was offered and my mind was changed at that point.

You disturb me...we have disagreed a lot but agreed on most of these kind of posts...have a nice evening....looks like the Rays might go down tonight and I am off to Tampa tomorrow (at least that is the plan now)

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dalemn - watch your spelling - that should be rachael madcow! ;)

seriously, i have tried very hard to watch her show - but her commentary makes me physically nauseous! i cannot put my finger on just why she and i do not get along - i love other people's opinion and learn much from those opinions [though i don't always agree with them] - but rachael turns my stomach!

Wouldn't want you to get ill....don't watch her.

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I am an independent, and neither conservative nor liberal. I have never voted a straight repub or demo ticket, and will not this year. Some of my views would be considered conservative and others liberal. Most people tend to view any opinion, or even fact, as an outrageous lie, if it disagrees with their ideology. The fact is, in my opinion, that both sides of the spectrum are equal opportunity liars and manipulators of fact. If you think the other side is the sole purveyor of untruth and deceit, you are probably out of touch with reality. I get a kick out of forums like this in their predictability - I can predict with almost 100% certainty how most posters will react to a given subject. An open and broad mind is a very rare commodity.

"...both sides of the spectrum are equal opportunity liars and manipulators of fact..."

That is why I was agreeing with Bucco's comments that "they all bend the truth to where the want it to go" and that you have to read and educated yourself and not take anything at face value.

And, @Bucco, the book is on my reading list now. Thank you for the suggestion. I look forward to the read.

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How's this for facts and informed opinions. Rachel Maddow showed a clip from, I think 2010, of a demonstration against Eric Holder alleging that he wanted to 'take our guns away'. Rachel asked two demonstrators what Eric Holder has done relating to gun control. Their answers? Paraphrased; 'well, i don't know but I know he is against guns'. One tried to turn the question around asking 'what hasn't he done?'. Just tell these right wingnuts anything and they will take it as gospel and demostrate. Did you all hear that Obama is considering putting a luxury tax on golf carts used for anything other that golf? ;)

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sounds like a very familiar mode of operating.....standard operating procedure for Obama supporters? The ones being interviewed probably figured they would do no harm using the same answering technique as they have repeatedly been exposed to for the last 4 years.

btk