UK NHS Death Panels?.....ObamaCare's Future?

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"NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly."

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html#ixzz1yK7gbr7D)

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claimed equals no proof of it happening in UK then to tie it to Obama is a total fabrication that maybe you should be ashamed of. This post is the kind of stuff that turns me off to anything you say. You are better than this!

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claimed equals no proof of it happening in UK then to tie it to Obama is a total fabrication that maybe you should be ashamed of. This post is the kind of stuff that turns me off to anything you say. You are better than this!

A doctor is blowing the whistle on thousands of deaths in the U.K. by a health service that decides those patients are not worth the cost or time to treat.

You have no data to dispute this doctor who is in the middle of the problem.

It's natural to wonder if the same thing could happen here when you no longer have control of your own healthcare as is the ultimate aim of ObamaCare.

Sorry if by mentioning Obama I have saddened you. You can say a novena to Obama to make up for it.

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A doctor is blowing the whistle on thousands of deaths in the U.K. by a health service that decides those patients are not worth the cost or time to treat.

You have no data to dispute this doctor who is in the middle of the problem.

It's natural to wonder if the same thing could happen here when you no longer have control of your own healthcare as is the ultimate aim of ObamaCare.
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Sorry if by mentioning Obama I have saddened you. You can say a novena to Obama to make up for it.

I don't know if it is true or not, but I do find it interesting that you trust implicitly anyone who agrees with your point of view, and dismiss out of hand anyone who dares to disagree with your point of view.

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I don't know if it is true or not, but I do find it interesting that you trust implicitly anyone who agrees with your point of view, and dismiss out of hand anyone who dares to disagree with your point of view.

This is something everybody who is honest knows has to be going on. It's ludicrous to think otherwise with the U.K.'s overburdened, underfunded and understaffed National Healthcare Service.

It will happen here too if government provided healthcare is not stopped.

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I feel we have thousands dying every year right here and the Obama Health care plans will help to save many of them when his health care plan gos into full effect in the coming years.

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Totally irrelevant. Another example how the extreme right think....or don't think as the case may be. ;)

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This is something everybody who is honest knows has to be going on. It's ludicrous to think otherwise with the U.K.'s overburdened, underfunded and understaffed National Healthcare Service.

It will happen here too if government provided healthcare is not stopped.

The same thing was touted when HMO's first were introduced here. It was said that we would never see the same doctor twice, the care would be cursory, and it would take days to get an appointment, and that all treatments would have to go through panels and would be very hard to see a specialist.

I opted for Kaiser Permanente and stayed with them for over 20 years before moving to The Villages where they are not an option. I never had a problem getting an appointment, had the same doctor for several years, excellent care, never denied a specialist or treatment, and had great customer care.

The point is: Do not believe what you have heard until you try it yourself. It just might be the best thing you have had - like Kaiser was for me.

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LOL - sheeeeeeeesh what a post. The reich gets wackier every day ..........

The reich was far more amusing when they were talking about birth certificates.

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As Bucco would say where is the proof. Your comments are again empty of any substance just your shallow opinions.

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I don't know if it is true or not, but I do find it interesting that you trust implicitly anyone who agrees with your point of view, and dismiss out of hand anyone who dares to disagree with your point of view.Why be so polite? Richie really has only one point-of-view...his! Have we ever heard him debate the facts? Do any basic research? Have a defense against an opposing position other than his "gut feeling"? Or admit when he might be wrong?

:BigApplause: :BigApplause: :BigApplause:

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This is a moot point since a President Romney vows to repeal The Affordable Care Act on his first day in office, regardless of how the Supreme Court rules. Hopefully, nobody out there has a pre-existing condition because you would not be covered when Medicare is replaced with a voucher system, and people are out there shopping for insurance on the open market.

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This is something everybody who is honest knows has to be going on. It's ludicrous to think otherwise with the U.K.'s overburdened, underfunded and understaffed National Healthcare Service.

It will happen here too if government provided healthcare is not stopped.Just a couple questions you might expand on, Richie...
Do you have any support for your gut feeling opinion that the U.K.'s health system is "overburdened, underfunded and understaffed"?

Regarding your allegation that "it"ll happen here too if it's not stopped", what will happen? Right now more than one-third of the U.S. population is insured under Medicare or Medicaid (almost 50 million under Medicare, including 40 million seniors, and about 53 million under Medicaid). With that many already insured under government-provided health insurance, it seems that we'd have begun to see some evidence of the "death panels" killing people. The only such arguments along those lines that I've seen reported are insurance companies dropping people or refusing payment for procedures and drugs. ObamaCare is based on insurance by private insurance companies, not an expansion of government-provided health insurance. And by the way, ObamaCare prohibits insurance companies from dropping people based on pre-existing conditions or their claim experience!
Any comments or facts to support your opinion?

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Why be so polite? Richie really has only one point-of-view...his! Have we ever heard him debate the facts? Do any basic research? Have a defense against an opposing position other than his "gut feeling"? Or admit when he might be wrong?

:BigApplause: :BigApplause: :BigApplause:

He and I agreed once........we both like Oakwood Barbecue.

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Getting back to the British NHS alleged "death panel" pathways into which elderly people have been shifted, to "save" money for other uses by politicians managing the system......

Who, here, wants all our nation's healthcare put into the hands of local, regional and federal politicians who are perpetually running for office, and who will manipulate the healthcare budgets any way possible to get some more votes for themselves?????

All along, Obamacare law has been set to "redistribute" $500 billion OUT of Medicare, to pay for the new, added costs of Obamacare plans.

[I]"Specifically, 12 million seniors use a program called Medicare Advantage, under which the government pays private insurers to cover seniors.

Medicare Advantage customers typically have more options, and at times more coverage, than standard Medicare customers. But the Obama administration said Medicare was overpaying the private insurers, and so the architects of Obamacare slashed $136 billion from Medicare Advantage to offset the cost of Obamacare.

The Medicare Advantage cuts were to begin in 2013, which would cause many insurers to pull out of the program, thus driving seniors into regular Medicare. So much for “if you like your plan, you can keep it.”

The New York Post’s Benjamin Sasse and Charlie Hurt explained the awkward details of timing: “Open enrollment [for 2013 Medicare Advantage] begins Oct. 15, less than three weeks before voters go to the polls.” So Obamacare would kick seniors out of their Medicare program three weeks before Obama’s re-election.

That, of course, would be politically damaging. So Obama simply took $8.35 billion from a Obamacare fund for “demonstration projects” and used it to delay the brunt of the Medicare Advantage cuts until after the election.

The GAO last week pointed out the extraordinary nature of this “demonstration.” The program “dwarfs all other Medicare demonstrations — both mandatory and discretionary — conducted since 1995,” the GAO stated."[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Benjamin E. Sasse, a former US assistant secretary of health, is president of Midland University. Charles Hurt covers politics in DC.

President Obama’s Medicare slush fund—Benjamin E. Sasse & Charles Hurt - NYPOST.com (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/an_billion_trick_ImTBFfz7MeuZLJY7JzXEIJ)