Gas carts - Yamaha or Club?

[Down Sized]

I will be closing on my house in three weeks. Then needing my very first (USED) golf cart, I think I could use some experienced HELP. A mechanic told me Club car has the oil filter and that was a better system. I would welcome some ideas, experiences, or just plain old likes and dislikes.

[jimbo2012]

Too broad a question

What are your needs, what have you found so far.

Budget

[asianthree]

call carts and clubs will tell u what they have and bring down what you want and give them a check can't beat that very happy:clap2::clap2:

[aln]

Electric - restricted range & quiet

Gas - noise & you must buy gas once in a while but it'll go for hours and hours and hours and hours

IMHO -
electric - EZGO
gas - Yamaha
:spoken:

[Down Sized]

I think what I was wanting was opinions on the brands because I'm thinking gas for either one.

[jimbo2012]

Elec can go 40-50+ miles, do you really think U need more?

Add solar

Brand Club Car 100lbs lighter alum frame never rust.

Gas Yamaha, just beware of the noise and your carbon footprint, go in a tunnel when a few R in there.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

We like our '11 Yamaha. If you're considering used and can/want to afford it, try to get the current model Drive model (2007 and newer). LOTS of improvements over prior models and the ride/suspension is more comfortable.

Yamaha uses an engine of their own manufacture - Club Car uses Kawasaki engines (to the best of my knowledge - someone correct me if I'm wrong!). Yamaha does use a 'splash' type of oiling system - it's not going to have a filter. Kawasaki's engine uses a pressurized oiling system and thus has a filter. In a golf cart application, I'd be comfortable with either engine - both are from quality manufacturers with plenty of positive history behind them. With proper maintenance, I don't think you'll wear either one of them out.

Bill :)

[Down Sized]

Thanks all. I will start looking around for a used cart shortly.

[jgbama]

I think what I was wanting was opinions on the brands because I'm thinking gas for either one.

I've gone back and forth on this gas vs electric issue. I'm back to electric now that I know we are purchasing a home in Rio Grande (very central). A friend is buying a villa in St. James and just bought a Yamaha EFI at Carts and Clubs in Ocala. Now to my food for thought:

1. Depending on the village you live in, a gas station could be quite a distance off. To me that would mean keeping a 5-gal gas can in the garage. If you have or will buy a villa, keep in mind most have the washer/dryer in the garage. Not sure I would like gas fumes while in a hot garage doing the wash.

2. If your home is fairly centrally located (using 466 as central), the range on electric carts can get you a round of golf at Bonifay or Lopez and back with range to spare for cruising, squares, dinner and more.

3. If you live or plan to live on one extreme or the other (i.e. Orange Blossom, Chatham, Sanibel, Tamarind Grove) then gas would get my vote hands-down.

Again, these are opinions, just mine. :D

Finally, as far as which brand, seems the vote goes to Yamaha. The new EFI helps with better mpg and they quieten down a lot after reaching cruising speed. Basing this on sales pitch and test driving one.

Good luck with your decision!

[LittleDog]

I have seen several comments about gas smell with gas carts in the garage. I have a gas cart and have never smelled any gas in the garage. Just my 2 cents.

John

[Bill-n-Brillo]

I have seen several comments about gas smell with gas carts in the garage. I have a gas cart and have never smelled any gas in the garage. Just my 2 cents.

John

That's just because you've never had ME in your garage before, John...... :shocked:

:1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

[ijusluvit]

I think it's a bit odd that some electric cart owners seem so passionate about how superior their carts are to gas carts. When someone asks about which kind of cart is better, the electric folks pop up and seem to to want to SELL you a cart, like the guy with the big smile and the polyester suit at the used car lot.

In my eight years in TV I have not heard any real complaints about Club Car or Yamaha gas carts. The owners don't agree that their carts are 'loud' or 'smelly'. They just drive them anywhere and enjoy them. But I do hear lots of griping about having to replace batteries, controllers, etc., frequently in electric carts. These are reinvestments that cost hundreds of dollars. And, many electric owners admit they would not leave home without a tow rope.

[Jim 9922]

Back on topic;
Our 1994 Gas club car has given us flawless service since we acquired it with our first house in 1996. Change the oil and filter, pump the tires, and an occasional drive belt and we been good to go.
The only concern I would have with the new club cars is the low narrow placement of the headlights behind that opaque housing. You would have to see for yourself if the lights work as well as the current high, wide spacing in all the other brands.

[2 Oldcrabs]

I only looked at new. IMHO: The Club has a better oil system. It uses an oil pump and filter. The Yamaha uses a "slinger" for the oil. (Your car has an oil pump, your lawn mower has a "slinger"). I think both carts are quiet compared to the "older" gas cart. I did not smell fumes with either cart. I ended up buying a new Yamaha from a dealer in Kentucky and saved about $2k. The club has a better oil system but did not like the headlights. Seems there are more Yamahas here, maybe better resale. Club seems to have more "after market" add ons available. If you can, wait until you have your garage cleared out and take measurements. A 4 seater can add 12"- 24" to the length. Take your time, test drive and shop around . :gc:

[getdul981]

To me that would mean keeping a 5-gal gas can in the garage. !

You only need 1 or 2 gallons to keep on hand in case you get low and don't think you can make it to the gas station. Remember, you get about 40-50 mpg. When you do get gas, dump the gas in the gas can in your car and refill it with fresh gas.

[thekeithfan]

Personal preference gas or electric. I can tell you that the electric NEW gets 45 to 60 miles in range but then when the batteries get older they get less and less range you have a problem going up golf course slops or the golf cart bridge. Gas up once a month full power and a range of 300 miles or all month for me. I have a Yamaha gas and change the oil twice a year (one quart of Mobile 1) $6.00. I would never expect the engine to blow! If you change the oil and that is cheap and easy to do you will never have a problem with it.
I have heard the alluminum frame on the Club Cars prevents rust in your driveway in later years. My Yamaha is 12 years old and no rust in the driveway or garage yet.

[LittleDog]

That's just because you've never had ME in your garage before, John...... :shocked:

:1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

Good one Bill!!!!!:BigApplause:

[Down Sized]

Thanks everyone for all the information. I have been checking on line, paper classifieds, walking Sumter Landing, and even stopped by The Villages Golf Cart store checking prices. It seems that gas carts run about 75% - 100% more than electric carts of the same years. This may be due to large demand for gas carts. I was told most people are changing from electric to gas leaving a bigger supply of electric carts. The store said gas was 97% of sales.They also recommended to by 07 and newer because of the upgrades to the carts. I'm sure that I'm not the only one looking for a very good used cart at the best price. I still have a month before closing on the house so I will keep doing what I'm doing. Worst case scenario, I can ride my bicycle until. :gc:

[l2ridehd]

Go with the one you get for the best buy. Either cart is fine, both work well. I have a gas Yamaha and an electric Yamaha. Both have pro's and con's, but very few con's with either one. Both work very well. Good ride, good range, good features.

If I only had one cart it would be the Gas Yamaha. Just keep a one gallon gas can full. When you get low, take the gas can and cart, go to a station, dump the full can in the cart and then fill the one gallon can and cart with new gas. Change the oil with either cart twice a year and they will run forever.

I only know one person to ever wear out a gas cart. And they run a home watch business and drive it probably 50 to 75 miles a day year around. The cart had many thousands miles on it when they bought it used and then it still lasted 5 years before giving up. And that cart was a late 90's gas Yamaha.

Pretty challenging for the average person to ever wear out a gas Yamaha. And my guess would be the same for a gas Club Car so buy the one you get for the best deal.

[thekeithfan]

You only need 1 or 2 gallons to keep on hand in case you get low and don't think you can make it to the gas station. Remember, you get about 40-50 mpg. When you do get gas, dump the gas in the gas can in your car and refill it with fresh gas.

I don't keep a gas can I use the "filling" station only. It's not like you are at the staion every day or week I usually get gas about every three to four weeks.

[jgbama]

That's just because you've never had ME in your garage before, John...... :shocked:

:1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

You only need 1 or 2 gallons to keep on hand in case you get low and don't think you can make it to the gas station. Remember, you get about 40-50 mpg. When you do get gas, dump the gas in the gas can in your car and refill it with fresh gas.

See. . .that's what happens when a guy like me (who isn't there yet and has no cart) makes an "assumption". . . y'all came to my rescue and set me straight. But, in my defense (which I must do) I have rented and used a gas cart. I guess the fumes I referred to were in the garage when I started up, etc.

Thanks for setting this "soon to be frog" on the straight and narrow! :bowdown: One day maybe we can all gather at a watering hole and the first round is on me! :beer3: That includes popcorn too Bill! :1rotfl:

[lovesports]

We have a remanufactured club car bought in 2004. We upgraded the batteries by Battery Boys and have over a 60 mile range.
We run all over including from 466 to 466A everyday and have never even seen the battery gauge go down. Sometimes we go days without plugging it in. It is bogus to say electric doesn't have range. All you need to do is upgrade your batteries.
My neighbor borrows our electric when she has company so her company can enjoy the ride, talking on the ride and no odor!!!! We' get their loud stinky gas cart and hate it.

[lovesports]

Just looked at responses. We are on a dead end street and 12 have electric and two gas.

Since 2004 we have had no mechanical issues and got 4 years out of first batteries and have 4 years on upgraded batteries so far and they act new. Also, we use our cart everyday as we live here year around.

Giving you our experience. There is a great deal of misinformation on electric.

And of course we don't have to go to a gas station or store gas. Newer homes really have a distance to find the one gas station which is usually 10 cent higher than ones on 466 or 441. Plus the station has closed many times.

[ONels21963]

I had a gas Club Car and now have 2 Yahama gas carts, I've never had any major problems with any of them. I believe either make is a good choice.

[thekeithfan]

I think it's a bit odd that some electric cart owners seem so passionate about how superior their carts are to gas carts. When someone asks about which kind of cart is better, the electric folks pop up and seem to to want to SELL you a cart, like the guy with the big smile and the polyester suit at the used car lot.

In my eight years in TV I have not heard any real complaints about Club Car or Yamaha gas carts. The owners don't agree that their carts are 'loud' or 'smelly'. They just drive them anywhere and enjoy them. But I do hear lots of griping about having to replace batteries, controllers, etc., frequently in electric carts. These are reinvestments that cost hundreds of dollars. And, many electric owners admit they would not leave home without a tow rope.

Absolutely, I can't tell you how many times I've heard my friends say I just spent $600 or $800 on batteries!

[CarGuys]

Just looked at responses. We are on a dead end street and 12 have electric and two gas.

Since 2004 we have had no mechanical issues and got 4 years out of first batteries and have 4 years on upgraded batteries so far and they act new. Also, we use our cart everyday as we live here year around.

Giving you our experience. There is a great deal of misinformation on electric.

And of course we don't have to go to a gas station or store gas. Newer homes really have a distance to find the one gas station which is usually 10 cent higher than ones on 466 or 441. Plus the station has closed many times.

And how much does one spend on Gas at $4.00 a Gallon after four years of constant running around? And Oil changes and service .Bet it about equals the price of new batteries every 4-5 years.

Lets see I have been told the average cart travels 6000 miles a year. So at 40 miles per gallon = 150 gallons of fuel. 150 gallons at $3.5 average = $525 per year for fuel. Times 4 years = $2100.00 And then we add on at least $100 a year in Oil Service thats another $400 so lets say $2500 over four years. VS $800 worth of fresh batteries

[gratton]

And how much does one spend on Gas at $4.00 a Gallon after four years of constant running around? And Oil changes and service .Bet it about equals the price of new batteries every 4-5 years.

Lets see I have been told the average cart travels 6000 miles a year. So at 40 miles per gallon = 150 gallons of fuel. 150 gallons at $3.5 average = $525 per year for fuel. Times 4 years = $2100.00 And then we add on at least $100 a year in Oil Service thats another $400 so lets say $2500 over four years. VS $800 worth of fresh batteries

And are you plugging your cart into your neighbors electric because the way you post you don't mention the cost of the electricity for your cart.

[l2ridehd]

And how much does one spend on Gas at $4.00 a Gallon after four years of constant running around? And Oil changes and service .Bet it about equals the price of new batteries every 4-5 years.

Lets see I have been told the average cart travels 6000 miles a year. So at 40 miles per gallon = 150 gallons of fuel. 150 gallons at $3.5 average = $525 per year for fuel. Times 4 years = $2100.00 And then we add on at least $100 a year in Oil Service thats another $400 so lets say $2500 over four years. VS $800 worth of fresh batteries

$100 a year in oil service? What is that? A gas cart takes one quart of oil for an oil change done at most twice a year. Maybe $12? As for annual maintenance, having one of each type, at least three different places I have used charge the same.

If you go to the golf cart store in LSL they have a chart that looks at all cost for gas and electric. They will give you a copy. It looks at gas, maintenance, cost of batteries, cost of electricity, and is quite comprehensive. It shows that total electric is about 20% more expensive to operate every month then gas. And I realize NOBODY on either side of this very dumb argument will agree with anything about the cost of operations. However before you all start throwing arrows go get the chart and understand what it shows. And no, I don't believe they have any vested interest in selling one type of cart over another.

[thekeithfan]

And how much does one spend on Gas at $4.00 a Gallon after four years of constant running around? And Oil changes and service .Bet it about equals the price of new batteries every 4-5 years.

Lets see I have been told the average cart travels 6000 miles a year. So at 40 miles per gallon = 150 gallons of fuel. 150 gallons at $3.5 average = $525 per year for fuel. Times 4 years = $2100.00 And then we add on at least $100 a year in Oil Service thats another $400 so lets say $2500 over four years. VS $800 worth of fresh batteries

Well here are the "facts" from a gas cart owner. I travel about 300 miles a month and gas is usually $20.00 a month. Thats $960 for gas in four years. Service I do a tune-up once a year myself (the kit is $18 at the Villages Golf Cart). Oil changes I do it myself (anyone can) no filter one quart of Mobile one $6.00 at Walmart. So here are the 4 year facts:
Gas: $960
Tune ups $72
Oil changes $48
So for this average golf cart user I have paid $1,080 in the last 4 years NOT $2,500.
And the biggest hole in your argument it cost "ON AVERAGE" $1.50 a day to CHARGE the batteries thats $2,190 for four years plus your batteries $800.
$1,080 Gas vs $2,990 ele

[Barkay]

I can only tell you what I have experienced- own a gas Yamaha g22 (2006 model) never a minutes trouble. Bought it from The Villages Golf Cars (Ralph Wolf-superior) - can't beat their overall service. So happy with car #1 that I have ordered a new 2012 gas Yamaha Drive which will be delivered next week by The Villages Golf Cars. May cost a few dollars more to deal locally versus Ocala but in the long haul it is worth it. Get a nail in a tire, need a headlight bulb changed, horn buzzer too loud...whtever the issue I take my golf car in to LSL and it is corrected (usually at no cost) and a loaner car always available to me when mine is in for service. They are here for you seven days a week.

You decide, but for me I am a satisfied customer of The Villages Golf Cars.

[getdul981]

I can only tell you what I have experienced- own a gas Yamaha g22 (2006 model) never a minutes trouble. Bought it from The Villages Golf Cars (Ralph Wolf-superior) - can't beat their overall service. So happy with car #1 that I have ordered a new 2012 gas Yamaha Drive which will be delivered next week by The Villages Golf Cars. May cost a few dollars more to deal locally versus Ocala but in the long haul it is worth it. Get a nail in a tire, need a headlight bulb changed, horn buzzer too loud...whtever the issue I take my golf car in to LSL and it is corrected (usually at no cost) and a loaner car always available to me when mine is in for service. They are here for you seven days a week.

You decide, but for me I am a satisfied customer of The Villages Golf Cars.

:agree:

[jimbo2012]

Well here are the "facts" from a gas cart owner. I travel about 300 miles a month and gas is usually $20.00 a month. Thats $960 for gas in four years. Service I do a tune-up once a year myself (the kit is $18 at the Villages Golf Cart). Oil changes I do it myself (anyone can) no filter one quart of Mobile one $6.00 at Walmart. So here are the 4 year facts:
Gas: $960
Tune ups $72
Oil changes $48
So for this average golf cart user I have paid $1,080 in the last 4 years NOT $2,500.
And the biggest hole in your argument it cost "ON AVERAGE" $1.50 a day to CHARGE the batteries thats $2,190 for four years plus your batteries $800.
$1,080 Gas vs $2,990 ele

I won't even mention the pollution carbon footprint issues:$:

Maintenance is needed on gas every 200-250 hours, this is not just driving time but also idle warm up time, all based on a hour meter.

Keith, I know we disagree on this issue, but the dealers here get 47.50 + tax for oil service etc., that's without tuneups which I would guess is another $50, say $100,
If you do 300 miles a month (your figures) with electric going 50 miles on a charge that comes too 6 charges a month or $9.
If you maintain batteries 6 years is likely and more is possible.

You also have to depose of the used oil?
Not convenient, clean up etc, oops the oil spilled all over the driveway:mad:

Not everyone does their own work.

Here's how it's done, how many in TV do theirs --
How To Tune Up A Golf Cart by Fairway Karts Unlimited - YouTube

[lovesports]

And are you plugging your cart into your neighbors electric because the way you post you don't mention the cost of the electricity for your cart.

Its absolutely pennies!!!
Electric is so much easier than gas. I know on our street, people have changed out of gas to electric.

To each his own, their will be no agreement.

[hdh1470]

Well here are the "facts" from a gas cart owner. I travel about 300 miles a month and gas is usually $20.00 a month. Thats $960 for gas in four years. Service I do a tune-up once a year myself (the kit is $18 at the Villages Golf Cart). Oil changes I do it myself (anyone can) no filter one quart of Mobile one $6.00 at Walmart. So here are the 4 year facts:
Gas: $960
Tune ups $72
Oil changes $48
So for this average golf cart user I have paid $1,080 in the last 4 years NOT $2,500.
And the biggest hole in your argument it cost "ON AVERAGE" $1.50 a day to CHARGE the batteries thats $2,190 for four years plus your batteries $800.
$1,080 Gas vs $2,990 ele

Both sides put false info out,Do a search and you an find studies done by golf courses that use both.They say costs are about the same for both.I would trust them because they have large fleets that would give them better data then anyone here has.For some reason village cart likes to push gas and don't know why.Then you have another shop that will not sell any gas carts ,I'm sure they both have a reason.

[jimbo2012]

For some reason village cart likes to push gas and don't know why.Then you have another shop that will not sell any gas carts ,I'm sure they both have a reason.

Interesting is the price difference at TV and outside the bubble, Yamaha's are $5,000 else where (gas or elec same) and $7,000 here for gas, Elec $8,000:$:

Now why is there that kinda difference?

Why does the dealer here ask $1,000 more for elec than anywhere else, appears to be bias for gas I don't know why but would think it may be due to margin of profit or factory incentives possibly their personal likes.

They also claim that elec carts lose 6mph in speed on any type hill,
I ask if you experience that or not.

The oil change & service is $75.

.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

.......

Not everyone does their own work.

Here's how it's done, how many in TV do theirs --
How To Tune Up A Golf Cart by Fairway ****s Unlimited - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqkhLiU_0Bs&feature=related)

If my air filter was as nasty looking as the one shown in that video, it would hit the trash can and get replaced with a new one! :D

Bill :wave:

[getdul981]

What air filter?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

What air filter?

Ummmmm......well.........oh, never mind!

:jester:

Bill :)

[Frank7]

When your ready come and test yourself, I have a ample supply of both Club Cars & Yamaha's gas carts and you can judge for yourself.

[jimbo2012]

Frank you didn't pop up as a dealer on their website, R you selling used than?

[2 Oldcrabs]

[QUOTE=jimbo2012;511413]Interesting is the price difference at TV and outside the bubble, Yamaha's are $5,000 else where (gas or elec same) and $7,000 here for gas, Elec $8,000:$:

Now why is there that kinda difference?




Because people will pay for the convenience of buying locally.

[thekeithfan]

I won't even mention the pollution carbon footprint issues:$:

Maintenance is needed on gas every 200-250 hours, this is not just driving time but also idle warm up time, all based on a hour meter.

Keith, I know we disagree on this issue, but the dealers here get 47.50 + tax for oil service etc., that's without tuneups which I would guess is another $50, say $100,
If you do 300 miles a month (your figures) with electric going 50 miles on a charge that comes too 6 charges a month or $9.
If you maintain batteries 6 years is likely and more is possible.

You also have to depose of the used oil?
Not convenient, clean up etc, oops the oil spilled all over the driveway:mad:

Not everyone does their own work.

Here's how it's done, how many in TV do theirs --
How To Tune Up A Golf Cart by Fairway ****s Unlimited - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqkhLiU_0Bs&feature=related)

So I take it you own an electric cart. Good for you. it's personal preference. How long have you had ele? and have you ever had a gas cart?
Before you try and give advice get the facts straight don't put info out there that's as one sided as a used car salesmans data. I know changing ones oil isn't for everyone I happen to like to do it. I've NEVER spilled any either I put an old paint roller pan under the cart you can't miss that.

Disposing of oil, getting gas it's the least I could do I'm retired I have nothing to do most days but recreate.

Carbon foot print? Please my "other" vehicle is a 6,000 pound 450 horsepower diesel.

[jimbo2012]

Interesting is the price difference at TV and outside the bubble, Yamaha's are $5,000 else where (gas or elec same) and $7,000 here for gas, Elec $8,000:$:

Now why is there that kinda difference?

Because people will pay for the convenience of buying locally.

convenience $5000 vs $7 or $8000, $3,000 isn't convenience, that's highway robbery.

convenience might be a 10% pop in price not 50%

[Challenger]

convenience $5000 vs $7 or $8000, $3,000 isn't convenience, that's highway robbery.

convenience might be a 10% pop in price not 50%

No one is forcing them to buy . They must perceive some value that influences their decision. It could be convenience, reputation, or several other considerations that are not important to others.

[jane032657]

I ordered a 2012 1/2 EFI but had not asked for it to be made or shipped because I am not there yet. Got a call yesterday that the 2013's are coming out so changed it to a 2013 for hardly any more $$$ at all. Just thought I would share they are on their way. I am told the depreciationb on the 2012 would be about $500 as the new model is coming out for 2013.

[JSR22]

That's the cart my husband plans to buy in 3 weeks. Are you buying from the store in Lake Sumter?

[justjim]

I think what I was wanting was opinions on the brands because I'm thinking gas for either one.

Both brands are good. Personally I like Club Car and bought mine from Grandpa and Grandma Buggies on north 441 just north of 42. They are really "fine" people to deal with.

[hdh1470]

I would think that club car would be the better one because of having a oil pump.Would think engine would last longer.With yamaha and its system I would think lubing motor at higher rpm's might be a problem.maybe frank could respond.

[2 Oldcrabs]

Fuel injection is not new, but is new to Golf carts. I went with a carburetor. I never buy the 1st model year of a car and not willing to buy the 1st model fuel injection. Time will tell !:gc:

[jimbo2012]

I would think that club car would be the better one because of having a oil pump.Would think engine would last longer.With yamaha and its system I would think lubing motor at higher rpm's might be a problem.

In the splash lubrication system, a dipper or slinger splashes oil through the internal parts of the engine. Oil is also splashed up to the valve mechanism.

No oil filter

In force-feed lubrication, pressure forces oil around the engine. In a wet-sump system, oil is kept in the sump ready for the next use. In a dry sump system, oil falls to the bottom of the engine and a scavenge pump sends it to an oil tank.

They both work on these small motors, can't say better or not, but pump pressure makes more sense and I like the oil filtered.

[jane032657]

Yes I bought from Joel at the store in The Villages and he is a riot to deal with. And very patient.

That's the cart my husband plans to buy in 3 weeks. Are you buying from the store in Lake Sumter?

[CarGuys]

And are you plugging your cart into your neighbors electric because the way you post you don't mention the cost of the electricity for your cart.

Pennies on the dollar and I will have the new Factory released Solar Panel to increase range and battery life. And did I catch you sucking fuel form your neighbors car? That was me un pluggin a coke machine!:police:

[CarGuys]

See. . .that's what happens when a guy like me (who isn't there yet and has no cart) makes an "assumption". . . y'all came to my rescue and set me straight. But, in my defense (which I must do) I have rented and used a gas cart. I guess the fumes I referred to were in the garage when I started up, etc.

Thanks for setting this "soon to be frog" on the straight and narrow! :bowdown: One day maybe we can all gather at a watering hole and the first round is on me! :beer3: That includes popcorn too Bill! :1rotfl: What you smell is Raw Oxides of Nitrogen which leads to respiratory problems and or Raw unburned Hydro Carbons ( wasted Gas ) The Pop Bang ya all get in the tunnells letting off the gas. Carbs governor tampered with with no decel valve sucking to much raw fuel into the intake. Cannot burn it all bang bang and out the tail pipe into the face of the following cart goes the noxious emissions.

Cart was NOT designed to be rodded and driven like TV consumer does. And while most of you get on my case I talk with sales at Yamaha. Who laugh and say your right but why should we build a Villager Cart. You are nothing but a drop in the bucket of world wide Gas Cart sales. Ohhhhhh OH maybe we goofed! Hey come buy our new fuel injected Cart. They are getting closer to compliance.

Remember you cannot smell Carbon Monoxide. Just kinda kills ya quick!

[CarGuys]

Fuel injection is not new, but is new to Golf carts. I went with a carburetor. I never buy the 1st model year of a car and not willing to buy the 1st model fuel injection. Time will tell !:gc:

E-15 Ethanol is coming . Run do not WALK away from a carb cart. Fuel injection is the way to go. Why they came out with it. Why NASCAR is using it. Yes them Carbs are gone! Carb Parts and engine performance cannot survive on e-15 + with a Carb system anymore. Unless you can get pure fuels at $4.75 a Gallon

[CarGuys]

So I take it you own an electric cart. Good for you. it's personal preference. How long have you had ele? and have you ever had a gas cart?
Before you try and give advice get the facts straight don't put info out there that's as one sided as a used car salesmans data. I know changing ones oil isn't for everyone I happen to like to do it. I've NEVER spilled any either I put an old paint roller pan under the cart you can't miss that.

Disposing of oil, getting gas it's the least I could do I'm retired I have nothing to do most days but recreate.

Carbon foot print? Please my "other" vehicle is a 6,000 pound 450 horsepower diesel.

Lets take you truck to the EPA lab in West Virginia and run it on a Dyno. We had this discusssion before, Your Diesel is more clean at 55 mph steady state speed in closed loop than the single cylinder Yamaha Carb cart is a 20.

A lawn mower produces more emission than a new Corvette BMW or Mustang Shelby. Are you ASE certified in emissions and engine performance? Are you a certified Automotive Technician/Diesel or Alternative Fuel Specialists?

I will agree people should drive both for a day or so before making a decision. It's a personal choice .

[thekeithfan]

Lets take you truck to the EPA lab in West Virginia and run it on a Dyno. We had this discusssion before, Your Diesel is more clean at 55 mph steady state speed in closed loop than the single cylinder Yamaha Carb cart is a 20.

A lawn mower produces more emission than a new Corvette BMW or Mustang Shelby. Are you ASE certified in emissions and engine performance? Are you a certified Automotive Technician/Diesel or Alternative Fuel Specialists?

I will agree people should drive both for a day or so before making a decision. It's a personal choice .

I'm still curious you own an electric cart? And I'm one of those odd balls that could not care about my carbon footprint really. Just me I could care less.

[k2at]

I agree with the last poster. There is no reason to keep a gas can in the garage, not that there is anything wrong with that. The gas carts will go 125 to 150 miles on one tankful. If in that distance u r not near a gas station, that is quite a feat. I fill my cart every two to three weeks and always go to a gas station. In short, getting gas is no problem at all.

[2 Oldcrabs]

E-15 Ethanol is coming . Run do not WALK away from a carb cart. Fuel injection is the way to go. Why they came out with it. Why NASCAR is using it. Yes them Carbs are gone! Carb Parts and engine performance cannot survive on e-15 + with a Carb system anymore. Unless you can get pure fuels at $4.75 a Gallon

My 2004 pickup and a whole lot of fuel injected cars will not run on E15. The last estimate I heard was 20k gas golf carts in TV. 99% not fuel injection. I guess we will all have to replace them. A good way to stimulate the economy!:what:

[jimbo2012]

I'm one of those odd balls that could not care about my carbon footprint really. Just me I could care less.

I have never come across anyone that would say that, wow.

Question is why not?

[zcaveman]

I will agree people should drive both for a day or so before making a decision. It's a personal choice .

You don't have to drive both for a day - just ride in both for a while. That tuned me straight to electic.

[jimbo2012]

You don't have to drive both for a day - just ride in both for a while. That tuned me straight to electic.

Does that mean you were shocked in to it? :a20:

[CarGuys]

I'm still curious you own an electric cart? And I'm one of those odd balls that could not care about my carbon footprint really. Just me I could care less.

I am in the process of buying a Electric, I am torn between the quality of a Tomberlin and the New EZGO AC motor. As a tech teacher I buy form the bottom up. When Tomberlin had it LSV store open last year I would go over out back and look at the carts from the bottom up. I buy from the technicial side and vehicle constrution not how pretty it is or what famcy wheels are on it.

Now to be honest Tomberlin is in some trouble. I am not geeting feed back and response from the company like a year ago. That said I will buy the best I can where there is the best service and technicians. 95% of people buy a car or MC or Boat from the showroom. If you cannot go out back and bond with the service manager and talk with the technicians to see and hear their perspectives then you are sory ( Ignorant ) to the total operation of the business. Sales Sells- Service RETAINS CUSTOMERS!

Now I will have a electric cart. And now I do not wear a tied dyed shirt where mandels smoke weed and go out back and hug trees. I'm not into that carbon tracking. If you want to really get into that debate you start the Carbon Footprints from - the Oil Well- to Wheels to recycle yard . All vehicles follow that rule. Trains Planes Boats Cars Trucks etc.

I DO CARE ABOUT MY LUNGS! And the lungs of others that have to inhale second hand exhaust fumes from gas carts. The argument is it is no different tha, ( Another Post's ) a non smoker having to sit next to a smoker and inhale second hand fumes. And yes I quit but did smoke for over 15 years. No Halo on my head!

Some of us unfortunaltey have acquired Asthma conditionz that quickly worsens when Hydro Carbon Un burned Gas and patially burned Gas exhause is inhaled. There have been posts about a woman who visiting youn grand child became ill in the tunnells. And I suck it up and keep my mouth shut on the streets because most people just are not technicians and do not know or quite frankly care.

But if I can convince one person who is thinking of a clean quite electric cart that will work for them then I have done my part to save the lungs of others.

Technology is a wonderful thing. 5 years ago if I inhaled the particulates from a Diesel/Car tailpipe I would be dead. Today you can stand at the tail pipe and live.

Electric carts have gone through growing pains. They will evolve and get better with time. If the Yamaha Gas Carts would embrace the same technology as their Motorcyles Boat and RV engines then we would not be having this discussion. I would conside a Gas cart.

But as I said we are runing around the Villages with 1940 technology. They work they move us they last they are reliable. However they belch pollution.

Not back to my other duties- Reviewing the final chapters for a Automotive on-line text books new Hybrid Car Chapter. And yes I own a Prius. Soon a Plug in Prius. Then there is the Harley! Thats another story

[CMANN]

I will be closing on my house in three weeks. Then needing my very first (USED) golf cart, I think I could use some experienced HELP. A mechanic told me Club car has the oil filter and that was a better system. I would welcome some ideas, experiences, or just plain old likes and dislikes.

What ever you buy, be sure that it is Villages ready. Without those enhancements, you WILL NOT be happy.

[CarGuys]

My 2004 pickup and a whole lot of fuel injected cars will not run on E15. The last estimate I heard was 20k gas golf carts in TV. 99% not fuel injection. I guess we will all have to replace them. A good way to stimulate the economy!:what:

It should run on it if a reflash program is made for the computer. Testing in Fla and other states has shown that currently we are using concentrations of ethanol all over the board. From 12-30% depending on the station remaining fuel in storage and the delivery system.

Many of my service technician friends are testing fuel concentrations to diag driveability problems

To ease your mind the new pumps will have selector controls that will allow older vehicles to use e-10 and flex fuel vehicles can use anything up to e-85

It was easy for them to make the fuel a nightmare for the infrastructure and the people with older vehicles. In NY all of a suddend this year we are seeing non-ethanol preminium at certain stations. You pay more for it.

Ethanol keeps the cost of our Gas down $1.00 or more. It's all a nightmare for the consumer.

[graciegirl]

I have seen several comments about gas smell with gas carts in the garage. I have a gas cart and have never smelled any gas in the garage. Just my 2 cents.

John

I agree.

We purchased a used gas Yamaha four years ago. It is a four seater all facing front. It is still just fine.

The carts you see stranded or being towed are usually electric. But they are quiet and don't emit fumes.

It still is a highly personal choice. All we had to go on was our experince with the ones we used playing golf for forty years..... But here you need a dependable cart that can go for long distances.

[Villager Dude]

Down Sized

I will be joining you on the Hill Side on Harston in Amelia in November. By then I will check with you to see how your choice worked out.

Looking forward to joining THE VILLAGE PEOPLE .

Take Care and safe travels

Jack

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The general from people that I've spoken to is that Club Car makes the best electric and Yamaha makes the best gas cart.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

We have a remanufactured club car bought in 2004. We upgraded the batteries by Battery Boys and have over a 60 mile range.
We run all over including from 466 to 466A everyday and have never even seen the battery gauge go down. Sometimes we go days without plugging it in. It is bogus to say electric doesn't have range. All you need to do is upgrade your batteries.
My neighbor borrows our electric when she has company so her company can enjoy the ride, talking on the ride and no odor!!!! We' get their loud stinky gas cart and hate it.

What kind of upgrade did they do and what did it cost? I would love to get 60 miles on a charge.

[dcartman]

Ezgo has the largest engine! 13hp engine! which has more hp! lower rpms! best fuel economy of the the others!
:spoken::spoken:

[Bruiser1]

New (2012-1/2) fuel injected Yamaha Drive is 38% more fuel efficent than previous models.

some have suggested it gets 60 plus miles per gallon. I know I have to fill it every two months.
It depends on what your needs are. The convenience of knowing you can drive to any course play 18 and make it home is reassuring. (My golfing partners say if you go to Nancy Lopez (for example) make sure you have a full charge.

[Bruiser1]

You may want to read the recent post regarding Tomberlin.

Par cars are recognized as having 60 to 80 range (and really BIG WHEELS)
THE 80 mile range should do the trick if you are interest in electric only vehicles.

[mikeandnancy1112]

Bill, we would never have anything but a Yamaha Gas Cart. We were also told the 2007 and up Yamaha Gas Carts have the brake system built into the transmission so the brakes never have to be replaced.

[thekeithfan]

I have a 12 year old Yamaha gas and I change the oil twice a year, one quart of Mobile 1 each time, annual cost $13. I don't think you could outlast the engine (Kawasaki or Yamaha) for either model. I like the gas (vs electric) cheaper and I can go 3 to 4 hundered miles before I need to get to the station. I could drive to Daytona and back (twice) without getting gas!

[George Bieniaszek]

I agree with all the previous posters. With proper maintenance, they are generally bullet proof and will run trouble free for years. If you find a used one that you feel is "the one", I would suggest bringing it to a mechanic for an inspection. May cost you some money, but well spent up front.