Villages Sinkhole article - Belvedere

[anlashokna]

Several sinkholes open up in The Villages (http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/26/several_sinkhole_ope.html)

[Skip]

Several sinkholes open up in The Villages (http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/26/several_sinkhole_ope.html)

There'll be lots more. Dry winter and wet summer = sink holes.

Check your property EVERY DAY.

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[asianthree]

Thanks for the update

[Opulence]

Several sinkholes open up in The Villages (http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/26/several_sinkhole_ope.html)

So which pond are they talking about in THIS article? It's not the Ashland Pond, but another one right???

Bwetty

[Barefoot]

Several sinkholes open up in The Villages (http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/26/several_sinkhole_ope.html)

So which pond are they talking about in THIS article? It's not the Ashland Pond, but another one right???

Yikes. We live in the Village of Belvedere, but we're far away right now.

Can anyone post more information .. what streets, what pond? :22yikes:

[Opulence]

Several sinkholes open up in The Villages (http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/26/several_sinkhole_ope.html)

"The giant sinkhole caused water in the retention pond that lines a golf course to drop 15 feet"

Does anyone know the location of this particular retention pond (see above quote) which is mentioned in the article??

Betty

[graciegirl]

"The giant sinkhole caused water in the retention pond that lines a golf course to drop 15 feet"

Does anyone know the location of this particular retention pond (see above quote) which is mentioned in the article??

Betty

The pond pictured that was empty and then full is in Belvedere.

[Opulence]

The pond pictured that was empty and then full is in Belvedere.

Gracie, I thought the posted photos by Midge were of the ASHLAND pond. So there are not two different ponds involved????

Betty

[graciegirl]

I have now looked at the map. There is Belvedere and Lynnhaven and Ashland and Bonnybrook and they are all along Belvedere road. It is hard to know where one begins and the other stops.



There is a large pond on Belvedere Road that I surmise to be the Ashland pond since it is next to the Ashland rec center..and an adjacent pond that must have been the other one affected by the sinkhole.

The article and picture by the OP was not clear.If it was a reporter I imagine he/she wasn't clear as to where they were either.

In my attempts to help I have made this whole issue murkier. I am so sorry.


Someone who lives there will clear this up. My heart aches for people off campus who can't come check that all is alright.

[Barefoot]

"The giant sinkhole caused water in the retention pond that lines a golf course to drop 15 feet". Does anyone know the location of this particular retention pond (see above quote) which is mentioned in the article??


Gracie, I thought the posted photos by Midge were of the ASHLAND pond. So there are not two different ponds involved????

According to the Poster who started this thread, the pond that dropped fifteen feet was in the Village of Belvedere. The pond in Midge's picture that had a sink hole was in the Village of Ashland.

By the way, thanks so much to the peeps who PMed me with offers to drive by my house. I very much appreciate your offers. Since we do back on ponds in Belvedere Village, this type of ambiguous thread is somewhat worrisome. However I do have a Home Watch company, plus I'm sure that neighbours would e-mail me if it was close to our house. But I do appreciate your kind offers.

I just wish the OP, Anlashokna, would clarify the comment that the pond is in Belvedere!

[Villageshooter]

the sky is falling! the sky is falling! only this time it is reverse! the ground is falling,,, just wait you cant get insurance for sinkholes,,, the mortgage companies are next,, why would they loan money on house you would walk away from with huge damage,,, oh well the developer owns one of the banks,, here is one more piece in place for the evil empire to have there hand in our pockets as they would be the only bank to offer loans on property in the villages,, that is there dream come true via the back door! this place will start looking like a big piece of swiss cheeze! CHICKEN LITTLE YOUR ARE A GOD!

[courtyard]

I noticed from the picture that the drainpipe was right next to the sinkhole. I've seen some homes in my area that have had drainpipes installed and the end pipe is directed toward the house's foundation. I'd advise everyone who has had any new gutters added to their homes that they go out when it's raining and see just where their water is going.

[Taltarzac725]

I tried searching the Sumter County Property Appraiser website for the parcels' owners names mentioned in this article but did not have much luck. Not sure which neighborhood these sinkholes were in though. Could be Ashland/Lynnhaven off of Belvedere.

[rubicon]

The viilage of Beleverde is located just two streets past the postal/Bonnybrook pool on the left side traevling north on Beleverde. Lynn haven and Ashland are one block up from the pool going south on the right side. I suspect based on what has been posted that the sinkhole is located in the village of Beleverde.

As for drains I had all of mine directed under ground and routed out far enough to drain wateraway from the house. I made sure that when backfilled all were backfilled well

[zonerboy]

Drove thru the area this AM on my way back from Doggie-do-run.
The Ashland retention pond adjacent to Ashland pool which had the initial reported sinkhole, did indeed fill back up with the rains. But today it was nearly empty again! The dirt ring around the original hole seemed to be keeping it from being completely empty.
In addition, on the north side of Belvedere blvd (?), near Pimlico Rec Center, and on what I believe is Pimlico executive course, there are two roped off holes in the course and a large pond on the golf course visible from the street is now empty. I am not talking about holes where one tries to putt their golf ball, but rather what appeared to be moderate sized sinkholes.
I viewed this from my car, and was unable to determine if any homes were involved, even though I drove thru adjacent neighborhoods.
Have seen no other details on this.

[Opulence]

Drove thru the area this AM on my way back from Doggie-do-run.
The Ashland retention pond adjacent to Ashland pool which had the initial reported sinkhole, did indeed fill back up with the rains. But today it was nearly empty again! The dirt ring around the original hole seemed to be keeping it from being completely empty.
In addition, on the north side of Belvedere blvd (?), near Pimlico Rec Center, and on what I believe is Pimlico executive course, there are two roped off holes in the course and a large pond on the golf course visible from the street is now empty. I am not talking about holes where one tries to putt their golf ball, but rather what appeared to be moderate sized sinkholes.
I viewed this from my car, and was unable to determine if any homes were involved, even though I drove thru adjacent neighborhoods.
Have seen no other details on this.

Zonerboy, thank you so much for this clarification. Now we know that two separate ponds are being discussed on TOLV & apparently other golf course sinkholes as well. Much appreciated.

Betty

[Taltarzac725]

Drove thru the area this AM on my way back from Doggie-do-run.
The Ashland retention pond adjacent to Ashland pool which had the initial reported sinkhole, did indeed fill back up with the rains. But today it was nearly empty again! The dirt ring around the original hole seemed to be keeping it from being completely empty.
In addition, on the north side of Belvedere blvd (?), near Pimlico Rec Center, and on what I believe is Pimlico executive course, there are two roped off holes in the course and a large pond on the golf course visible from the street is now empty. I am not talking about holes where one tries to putt their golf ball, but rather what appeared to be moderate sized sinkholes.
I viewed this from my car, and was unable to determine if any homes were involved, even though I drove thru adjacent neighborhoods.
Have seen no other details on this.

We had a small block party Sunday night (Lynnhaven near Churchill Downs Ave) and it sounded like these were the same sinkholes that they mentioned. At least, the one in Ashland retention pond is. They were talking about a 2nd one too which I assume is the one near Pimlico Rec Center.

This leaves the one near the home though unidentified as to where it is.

Thanks for your drive through Zonerboy. I probably saw you leaving Doggie Doo Run Run.

[ncr2482]

The sinkhole mentioned in the article is on the Churchill Executive golf course. It think it is between the 5th and 6th holes - the large retention pond before the restroom on that course. Additionally two weeks ago the pond to the right of the 4th green of Pimlico - lost all of its water. It has been repaired and retaining the water, however the pond between the 6th and 7th hole of Pimlico is empty again.

[anlashokna]

According to the Poster who started this thread, the pond that dropped fifteen feet was in the Village of Belvedere. The pond in Midge's picture that had a sink hole was in the Village of Ashland.

By the way, thanks so much to the peeps who PMed me with offers to drive by my house. I very much appreciate your offers. Since we do back on ponds in Belvedere Village, this type of ambiguous thread is somewhat worrisome. However I do have a Home Watch company, plus I'm sure that neighbours would e-mail me if it was close to our house. But I do appreciate your kind offers.

I just wish the OP, Anlashokna, would clarify the comment that the pond is in Belvedere!

Just passing along a news story that was being broadcast channel 13 news. I have no personal knowledge of the sinkhole or belvedere...locals to that village or channel 13 can probably answer any and all questions.

[rubicon]

The sinkhole mentioned in the article is on the Churchill Executive golf course. It think it is between the 5th and 6th holes - the large retention pond before the restroom on that course. Additionally two weeks ago the pond to the right of the 4th green of Pimlico - lost all of its water. It has been repaired and retaining the water, however the pond between the 6th and 7th hole of Pimlico is empty again.

Those houses sit up on a hill above the retention pond placing their backyards above the pond. There have been homes in the past on the 7th hole wherein rain caused a mini mudslide of sort eroding away the hill. It all had to be built back up. This occured between 2007-2008 as I recollect

It all makes sense

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Several sinkholes open up in The Villages (http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/26/several_sinkhole_ope.html)

When viewing the picture, it looks like the home is built directly on the concrete slab. I don't see any footers or foundation. Is this a common building practice in Florida? I'm not a builder, so I would love to have a response from someone with expertise in this area. Thanks

[graciegirl]

When viewing the picture, it looks like the home is built directly on the concrete slab. I don't see any footers or foundation. Is this a common building practice in Florida? I'm not a builder, so I would love to have a response from someone with expertise in this area. Thanks

I don't know if it is in Florida, but that is how they do it here. We have watched for the last six weeks as two homes were built really close to us. They do pour a footer,(Is a footer the part that is around the perimeter?) but not a deep one.

This conversation came up a couple nights ago with a small gathering and those from south Florida said their homes there were up on long supports deep into the ground. They don't have as many sinkholes in south Florida and I don't know whether supports would be better or worse. We can only speculate. They are built to code in the area.. They have county inspectors check after each phase.

[mulligan]

There are 2 acceptable methods. One is the monolithic slab, with a depression around the perimeter that acts as a footing. The other, usually used with block walls, is a stem wall. The stem wall is 2 or 3 courses of block in the ground, laid on a mud slab, usually 8" +or- thick to provide a level surface for the block. Both methods will meet code, and neither is better than the other.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

So I guess the one in the picture is a monolithic? I don't see any blocks. I wonder if they went deeper with a footer, if the home would be more stable?

[CaptJohn]

So I guess the one in the picture is a monolithic? I don't see any blocks. I wonder if they went deeper with a footer, if the home would be more stable?

Yes, it's mono. The footer is reinforced with rebar (usually 2) all around and if it was deeper than a foot (hence the name), it wouldn't matter in most cases if some of the ground collapsed beneath it. Of course, the more ground that collapses, the larger danger of the slab cracking and bending off due to excess weight without support. That being said, more is always better when it comes to foundations.
I had an investor one time that loved to buy problems like that and fix them. I learned a lot from him.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Thank You for your wisdom!