Neighbor landscape nightmare

[Happinow]

So, we buy a wonderful lot on the golf course. Although we are set back and down a bit from being level on the course, we still have a nice view. Our new neighbors, as we speak, have landscapers on their property, plotting out their landscaping. Mind you, they have two big dogs. They have been talking to the landscapers about putting in bushes/hedges all around their property to make sure the dogs stay on their property. They have mapped it out with the paint. We have a few problems with this.....first, we believe that you aren't supposed to have anything up that resembles a fence, which is what he is trying to create with his shrubs. Second, this must mean he is going to let his dogs out without a leash. Third, the bushes will block our view a great deal! As you can imagine, we are extremely upset with all of the above. We will keep an eye on this and certainly report them if any of The Villages landscaping laws or pet laws are broke. You will probably suggest talking to them.....we already did but they are in the mindset that the rules don't apply to them. Oh, we also hear the dog bark inside the house on a daily basis. It's just great for relaxing on out lanai.......We are not so Happinow.

[Mikitv]

I believe the landscaping has to be approved here in The Villages. I know we had to submit ours. There is a district office up by Laurel Manor where you take in the form and the landscaping design.

Maybe they are going to do invisible fencing for the dogs and using the shurbs to help.

I understand how you feel about losing your view especially when you pay a premium for those lots.

[Happinow]

I believe the landscaping has to be approved here in The Villages. I know we had to submit ours. There is a district office up by Laurel Manor where you take in the form and the landscaping design.

Maybe they are going to do invisible fencing for the dogs and using the shurbs to help.

I understand how you feel about losing your view especially when you pay a premium for those lots.

The company that was painting the boundaries was a landscaper not an invisible fence company. That would have been the correct thing to do.

[Cynbod]

I am sorry to here this, your own landscaping appeared quite beautiful. It would seen that hedges, as you feel they are considering, would block their view as well. Hopefully it will not be as bad as you think. It may be worth another conversation with them, although I know you do not think so.

[SoccerCoach]

The correct thing is when a representative comes out and marks ALL your underground utility lines, electric, phone/cable, water, gas etc. I believe they are dispatched from District.

[Happinow]

I am sorry to here this, your own landscaping appeared quite beautiful. It would seen that hedges, as you feel they are considering, would block their view as well. Hopefully it will not be as bad as you think. It may be worth another conversation with them, although I know you do not think so.

They sit directly level with the golf course so it will not hinder their view a bit. I thought that when we signed our papers to build and live here we signed something that said you cannot use hedges/bushes as fences and your dogs had to be on a leash at all times. I believe, the sole purpose for his landscaping is to build a "fence" out of bushes to have a place for his dogs to run. That would be against the policies of TV.

[Cynbod]

They sit directly level with the golf course so it will not hinder their view a bit. I thought that when we signed our papers to build and live here we signed something that said you cannot use hedges/bushes as fences and your dogs had to be on a leash at all times. I believe, the sole purpose for his landscaping is to build a "fence" out of bushes to have a place for his dogs to run. That would be against the policies of TV.

When we closed on our home I think we were given a manual of Covenant Rules. Perhaps this hedge fence and unleashed dog issue is addressed someplace in this manual.

I can sense your distress and by no means do I intend to make light of your situation. Having read so many of your posts during the planning of your home, I hope this can be worked out to your satisfaction.

[villages07]

Hedges are allowed but must be kept trimmed to no more than 4 feet in height. There are also some guidelines on setbacks for rear and side property lines. Suggest you call the deed compliance office to see if he has an approved plan on file and if not suggest they send an inspector out to ensure all requirements are being met.

Good luck.

We had a neighbor plant about 6 bottle brushes on side property line and we and they make sure the hedge stays at 4 feet so as to not block our view.

[784caroline]

Here is some VCCD guidlines regarding landscaping. In short, I dont think these will help in your problem. Landscaping needs to be approved ONLY to the point of making cetain resident is not planting in a Special Easement area. Specific lot deed restrictions/plots will control each specific situation. Bush height should be 48 inches tall and it is only "Suggested" that bushes be planted 2-3 feet from property line. Also note the bold Florida Statute below

4.10 Landscaping
*Note: Florida Statute 373.185 states: A deed restriction or covenant may not prohibit or be enforced so as to prohibit any property owner from implementing Florida-friendly landscaping on his or her land. (Effective 7/1/09)

For Homes
1. Due to the diversity of the Deed Restrictions regarding landscaping it is
necessary to refer to the specific set of Deed Restrictions and/or Matrix.
Some Deed Restrictions state: “must be seeded or sodded”, “the lawn must
be sodded, or “to qualify as sodded, at least 51% of the yard area visible from the adjacent roadways and golf courses must be sodded
2. No vertical structures are allowed in an easement. This includes things that descend vertically, such as ponds or buried tanks.
3. It is recommended that landscaping/curbing be a minimum of 18” from the property line for drainage. Should access to the easement area be required, any damage to landscaping in this area is the homeowner’s responsibility.
4. Landscaping walls are allowed. It is recommended they be consistent with
the elevation of the homesite.
5. Due to the diversity of the Deed Restrictions it is necessary to refer to the
specific set of Deed Restrictions and/or Matrix regarding the height
requirement of 48” for hedges. It is suggested that this type of planting be
kept two to three feet away from the property line.

[English Ivy]

They sit directly level with the golf course so it will not hinder their view a bit. I thought that when we signed our papers to build and live here we signed something that said you cannot use hedges/bushes as fences and your dogs had to be on a leash at all times. I believe, the sole purpose for his landscaping is to build a "fence" out of bushes to have a place for his dogs to run. That would be against the policies of TV.

Happi, if I were you I'd pick up the phone and call the architectural review office, give them the unit and lot number of your neighbor, explain what appears to be happening and ask if this plan was approved by them. If you're on a golf course any landscaping must be approved by ARC. Maybe your neighbor only thinks it applies to the front yard. Or, you can wait till the project is complete, see how bad it is and then call the ARC. If it wasn't approved it may have to be ripped out.

And SoccerCoach, FYI it is not the district who sends someone out to mark utilities. The contractor or homeowner should call 811 who takes the info and sends someone out to mark your lines. However, from my own experience, many contractors arounds here don't think this is a necessary thing to do. We've actually ruled out contractors because they told us they "knew" where the lines were and there was no need to get them marked. Yeah right!

[Bogie Shooter]

I know of several people who thought they had a nice view. One had a peek-a-boo sight line to the golf course, in two years it was gone. Other had nice view up and down the fairway, neighbors landscaping blocked the veiw.
If you are looking at a lot, think how a neighbors landscaping might effect that great view.
If the neighbor is not accomodating thru a discussion..........its probably a done deal. So much for having a nice neighbor.
Dogs on a leash is a county ordinace.

[thistrucksforyou]

They sit directly level with the golf course so it will not hinder their view a bit. I thought that when we signed our papers to build and live here we signed something that said you cannot use hedges/bushes as fences and your dogs had to be on a leash at all times. I believe, the sole purpose for his landscaping is to build a "fence" out of bushes to have a place for his dogs to run. That would be against the policies of TV.
Not sure about the hedge but the leash rule is true....Your dog is suppose to be leashed anytime it is outside your home......Hedges can not be more then 4 feet tall in my village, I don't know if every village is the same.

[Bogie Shooter]

Article 2.17 of the Sumter county Covenants and Restrictions may be worth reading.
http://www.districtgov.org/images/DeedRestiction/sumter/District%206/S6-105.pdf

[Happinow]

We just called the district and expressed out concerns. This is what they told us.....A property owner cannot in any way mark a boundry between properties with hedges or bushes. There cannot be a straight row of bushes or shrubs that separate any properties. You can plant shrubs, but not in a line to represent a boundry. And, a permit is required for any landscaping. As for the dogs, they must be on a leash at all times, even in your own yard, unless you have an invisible fence. The district told us that they would never approve this type of "landscaping" and when the landscaper starts the job, to call and make sure a permit has been obtained.

The homeowner told us last week that in order to keep his dogs in his yard, he was going to put in shrubs and bushes to create a fence area for them. He also told us that fences make good neighbors.

We know that the shrubs/bushes are intended to form a fence. We will see where this goes. We wish to keep the peace, but it seems these folks are doing a lot to make this impossible.

[goodgrief]

Call community standards if all else fails.

-oops guess you already did. Hope things get resolved. One of our neighbors put in a row between his lanai and the new home behind it. Guess that was okay. Shouldn't be from what you just said.

[jimbo2012]

I think you need to not only be happynow but happy later. :rant-rave:

Remember anything that's planted now will grow UP and get fuller, do you think they will keep those hedges at 4' in the future.

You really need to stop it before it begins the work, it sounds like your neighbors are a bit of a jerk not to talk it out with U, fine that's there prerogative.

It's your prerogative to file an inquiry into the review folks or whom ever to tell them what's going on. Ask them what the limitations are and get a clear understanding about getting this work must require an approval.

I see you posted at the same time, good you are on the right track.



I don't like the word "suggested" that can't be enforced?


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[graciegirl]

It is my understanding that people can build or plant with permission up to ten feet from the edges of their property.

If it will be a fact of life, than least said, soonest mended. They will continue to be your neighbors and living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run.

It is something for all prople who are looking at lots to remember if you are considering a lot with another lot running behind it. They can legitimatly put up a birdcage or plant things.

[784caroline]

"A permit is required for all landscaping"........ A permit is required only to the point of the resident not planting on Special Easements. We all know, there are plenty of Row hedges out there to form a privacy fence.

In addition you will be faced with Florida Statute 373.185 states: A deed restriction or covenant may not prohibit or be enforced so as to prohibit any property owner from implementing Florida-friendly landscaping on his or her land. (Effective 7/1/09)

This situation is unfortunate but its not as clear cut as what the District just told you.

I wish you the best of luck..........as others have said, please be tactiful in your discussions, for you will be living next to these people for a period of time. HOw long ......Umh!!

[Warren Kiefer]

So, we buy a wonderful lot on the golf course. Although we are set back and down a bit from being level on the course, we still have a nice view. Our new neighbors, as we speak, have landscapers on their property, plotting out their landscaping. Mind you, they have two big dogs. They have been talking to the landscapers about putting in bushes/hedges all around their property to make sure the dogs stay on their property. They have mapped it out with the paint. We have a few problems with this.....first, we believe that you aren't supposed to have anything up that resembles a fence, which is what he is trying to create with his shrubs. Second, this must mean he is going to let his dogs out without a leash. Third, the bushes will block our view a great deal! As you can imagine, we are extremely upset with all of the above. We will keep an eye on this and certainly report them if any of The Villages landscaping laws or pet laws are broke. You will probably suggest talking to them.....we already did but they are in the mindset that the rules don't apply to them. Oh, we also hear the dog bark inside the house on a daily basis. It's just great for relaxing on out lanai.......We are not so Happinow.

Someone mentioned that you being on a golf course the Arch Review Board would have to approve the project. This is only partly true, the ARC must approve nearly every new or additional project whether it be on a golf course or not. We just went thru a problem with the home modification by a neighbor. Sadly, the ARC has very little authority to enforce anything unless it is specifically spelled out in the deed restrictions.There is a strict rule about animals being on leashes anytime outside the home, also there are rules that limit households to only one dog and the size of that dog. I suggest you go to the Villages Governmental Offices at Laurel Manor asap.

[mfp509]

Check with Community Standards. They are part of the VCCD located at 1894 Laurel Manor Drive. Their # is 352-751-3912.

Sorry - missed the post above.

[jimbo2012]

"A permit is required for all landscaping"........ A permit is required only to the point of the resident not planting on Special Easements.
In addition you will be faced with Florida Statute 373.185 states: A deed restriction or covenant may not prohibit or be enforced so as to prohibit any property owner from implementing Florida-friendly landscaping on his or her land.

Not sure if that is taken out of contents, it referrers to water conservation.

Read the entire statute (http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/373.185)

(3) Each water management district shall also work with the department, local governments, county extension agents or offices, nursery and landscape industry groups, and other interested stakeholders to promote, through educational programs, publications, and other district activities authorized under this chapter, the use of Florida-friendly landscaping practices, including the use of solid waste compost, in residential and commercial development. In conducting these activities, each district shall use the materials developed by the department, the Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences at the University of Florida, and the Center for Landscape Conservation and Ecology Florida-Friendly Landscaping Program, including, but not limited to, the Florida Yards and Neighborhoods Program for homeowners, the Florida Yards and Neighborhoods Builder Developer Program for developers, and the Green Industries Best Management Practices Program for landscaping professionals. Each district may develop supplemental materials as appropriate to address the physical and natural characteristics of the district. The districts shall coordinate with the department and the Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences at the University of Florida if revisions to the educational materials are needed.
(a) The Legislature finds that the use of Florida-friendly landscaping and other water use and pollution prevention measures to conserve or protect the state’s water resources serves a compelling public interest and that the participation of homeowners’ associations and local governments is essential to the state’s efforts in water conservation and water quality protection and restoration.
(b) A deed restriction or covenant may not prohibit or be enforced so as to prohibit any property owner from implementing Florida-friendly landscaping on his or her land or create any requirement or limitation in conflict with any provision of part II of this chapter or a water shortage order, other order, consumptive use permit, or rule adopted or issued pursuant to part II of this chapter.
(c) A local government ordinance may not prohibit or be enforced so as to prohibit any property owner from implementing Florida-friendly landscaping on his or her land.

[Bogie Shooter]

The issue here is not about Florida-friendly landscaping ..............its about bushes.

[bluedog103]

There is a strict rule about animals being on leashes anytime outside the home, also there are rules that limit households to only one dog and the size of that dog. I suggest you go to the Villages Governmental Offices at Laurel Manor asap.

Nope, two dogs are fine, any size. No problem with invisible fences either. They are approved.

[Joaniesmom]

IMHO seems to me it would be a good idea to get this all settled with the powers that be before all the work was completed. It would save the person who hired the landscaper some money at the very least. Actually it would seem to me that the person who hired the landscaper would have this all settled with the powers that be before the landscaper even put a shovel in the ground.


Joaniesmom

[Barefoot]

. There is a strict rule about animals being on leashes anytime outside the home, also there are rules that limit households to only one dog and the size of that dog. I suggest you go to the Villages Governmental Offices at Laurel Manor asap.

Warren is this a new Covenant in some of the newer Villages? We moved to The Villages because our Villages agent told us that two domestic pets are allowed per household, any size, and that is reflected in the material we received on closing. Also I don't believe that the "on leash" rule applies if you have invisible fencing.

I'd really appreciate hearing more about this new "one dog" rule.

[jane032657]

Warren is this a new Covenant in some of the newer Villages? We moved to The Villages because our Villages agent told us that two domestic pets are allowed per household, any size, and that is reflected in the material we received on closing. Also I don't believe that the "on leash" rule applies if you have invisible fencing.

I'd really appreciate hearing more about this new "one dog" rule.

I believe it is a two dog rule and if you have three when you move to TV you can keep them but if one dies, you cannot get another third. Not sure but we bought in November and I think that is what I was told. We have two Setters. Thus we bought a villa...

[JSR22]

We are in the process of buying new constuction in the Haciendas of Mission Hills. Our realtor told us 2 pets per household and there is no weight restriction.


:pepper2:10 more days to TV

[renielarson]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;520643]"...They will continue to be your neighbors and living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run..."/QUOTE]

Rules are rules and following them are important. However, is it more important to have neighbors you are on good terms with or neighbors you don't speak to or associate with? I agree with Gracie when she says "...living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run." Choose your battles wisely and with your future in mind.

I always think about some good advice given to me years and years ago. That advice was...if you consider this one of the worst things that can happen in your life then run with it. If it isn't one of the worst things that can happen in your life, then let it go. Best advice I've ever been given.

Think about it long and hard before you make your next move.

[jane032657]

We are in the process of buying new constuction in the Haciendas of Mission Hills. Our realtor told us 2 pets per household and there is no weight restriction.


:pepper2:10 more days to TV

Yup, you and me! Except I bought already there!

[JSR22]

I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are absolutely correct that you can bring a 3rd pet but when they cross the Rainbow Bridge you can only have 2.

[Happinow]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;520643]"...They will continue to be your neighbors and living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run..."/QUOTE]

Rules are rules and following them are important. However, is it more important to have neighbors you are on good terms with or neighbors you don't speak to or associate with? I agree with Gracie when she says "...living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run." Choose your battles wisely and with your future in mind.

I always think about some good advice given to me years and years ago. That advice was...if you consider this one of the worst things that can happen in your life then run with it. If it isn't one of the worst things that can happen in your life, then let it go. Best advice I've ever been given.


Think about it long and hard before you make your next move.


I expect we will have to live with these people for a long time, but when you pay a large premium for a golf course view and then because someone wants their dogs to be able to run without a leash they block the view you paid for I would think you would be upset too. Seems awful selfish to me. All of the neighbors around us have worked together to put in landscaping that wouldn't block each others view of the course. Then we get one person who thinks it's all a out him. We have a right to be mad. One bad apple is all it takes. Is it the worst thing that could happen? The answer is no but hedges and bushes is not what we paid for.

[philnpat]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;520643]"...They will continue to be your neighbors and living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run..."/QUOTE]

Rules are rules and following them are important. However, is it more important to have neighbors you are on good terms with or neighbors you don't speak to or associate with? I agree with Gracie when she says "...living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run." Choose your battles wisely and with your future in mind.

I always think about some good advice given to me years and years ago. That advice was...if you consider this one of the worst things that can happen in your life then run with it. If it isn't one of the worst things that can happen in your life, then let it go. Best advice I've ever been given.

Think about it long and hard before you make your next move.

The advice given to you made you the person you are today. We haven't yet met but I hope to meet someday. I like your style!

[jane032657]

[quote=flipflopz;520787]


I expect we will have to live with these people for a long time, but when you pay a large premium for a golf course view and then because someone wants their dogs to be able to run without a leash they block the view you paid for I would think you would be upset too. Seems awful selfish to me. All of the neighbors around us have worked together to put in landscaping that wouldn't block each others view of the course. Then we get one person who thinks it's all a out him. We have a right to be mad. One bad apple is all it takes. Is it the worst thing that could happen? The answer is no but hedges and bushes is not what we paid for.

I agree that in communities, or villages, like TV, it is important for neighbors to work together and discuss what is symbiotic for everyone, not just for the ambience, but for long term relationships and respect for each others investments. We live in a very private community outside of Seattle. No one can see into our house from any side. But our property line is shared with our neighbor and this winter, the hedge which is on their side toppled over. They could have planted anything they wanted, it was on their side but the impact on our side is significant because it creates the barrier between us and we see it everyday. They consulted us every step of the way, we offered to share costs of taking out the shrubbery which we did, and then they discussed the options with us and it was decided to put up a cedar fence. If we were opposed, we would have worked together for another solution. It was all so pleasant and friendly. Sometimes their dogs come over and poop in our yard, not often, but they are great neighbors. I have never said a word. Sometimes one of our Setters gets loose and they will put the dog back in our house for us or in our yard, or in their yard until we get home. It takes two sides to be pleasant and respectful, and I feel for Happinow who worked meticulously at every detail in choosing her home and creating it, and is only asking for the neighbor to consider the impact that their decision will have on Happinow's home. I think it is reasonable to be considerate in places where you are close together and where your actions impact each other.

[Villageshooter]

the dog problem is VERY easy to solve,,, Back homeI had a neighbor whose dog did his "bussiness" near my side of the yard.. near where we used to set when we were at the pool,, needless to say the odor got a bit much,,, guy was a real jerk,,, chatting one day with the meter reader he showed me a small unit that they used rather than spray to keep the dogs away... It emitted a harsh tone only the dog could hear,, I ordered one online,,, hooked it up near my pool house,, the tone didnt bother anyone but the dog,, and let me tell you this,, When he came out of the house,, he had a change of heart on where to dump a load for the day... he seemed to not be in the yard much with this tone coming from my yard... was interesting in the winter in snow when you see tracks in snow,, my side of the yard never had tracks in it,, much less anything else!,,,as far as the bushes,,, let him get them all put in,,, then take him to task!! you have tried to be a nice guy,, and work with him,, now be a grizzly bear,, not just a cub!

[Happinow]

[quote=Happinow;520796]

I agree that in communities, or villages, like TV, it is important for neighbors to work together and discuss what is symbiotic for everyone, not just for the ambience, but for long term relationships and respect for each others investments. We live in a very private community outside of Seattle. No one can see into our house from any side. But our property line is shared with our neighbor and this winter, the hedge which is on their side toppled over. They could have planted anything they wanted, it was on their side but the impact on our side is significant because it creates the barrier between us and we see it everyday. They consulted us every step of the way, we offered to share costs of taking out the shrubbery which we did, and then they discussed the options with us and it was decided to put up a cedar fence. If we were opposed, we would have worked together for another solution. It was all so pleasant and friendly. Sometimes their dogs come over and poop in our yard, not often, but they are great neighbors. I have never said a word. Sometimes one of our Setters gets loose and they will put the dog back in our house for us or in our yard, or in their yard until we get home. It takes two sides to be pleasant and respectful, and I feel for Happinow who worked meticulously at every detail in choosing her home and creating it, and is only asking for the neighbor to consider the impact that their decision will have on Happinow's home. I think it is reasonable to be considerate in places where you are close together and where your actions impact each other.

Well said. We are only asking that we all work together to preserve everyone's investment. This guy wants nothing to do with anyone and is clearly on a mission. Honestly it's not the dogs we are concerned with at this point, it's the fact that he is recklessly putting up landscaping without any concern for his neighbors view. We all want to get along but he clearly doesn't want to work with anyone. We aren't the only ones who are not happy with his plan. The other neighbors that it affects are very upset as well. I believe this will all get resolved as with a plan like his it is doubtful that it will get approved because he is breaking the rules.

[jimbo2012]

If the ARC doesn't enforce the restrictions you have legal ground to sue for enforcement if a homeowner violates the CCR.

I read that alterations including planting must receive prior written approval from the developer if visible from the golf course.

That may be a more important aspect than your own interest to the ARC or developer.


also it says something about "uniformed appearance within the community.

There are many things in the deed restrictions that can apply.


read your deed restrictions carefully. :confused:
Especially the section on enforcement which says if you sue for a violation, the losing party pays your legal fee.

You can also get your neighbors to join in a petition or complaint to the developer

[ilovetv]

If I were you, Happinow, I would take lots of pictures, every day as this "project" is getting built. Take them now with a clear view, and keep taking them daily standing in exactly the same place with the same thing showing in the picture on the left/right side, to show the same view changing and getting blocked.

Hopefully this will get stopped before they start. If the guy thinks "walls make good neighbors", then he should have a bought a courtyard villa having the walls already in place.

[Happinow]

If I were you, Happinow, I would take lots of pictures, every day as this "project" is getting built. Take them now with a clear view, and keep taking them daily standing in exactly the same place with the same thing showing in the picture on the left/right side, to show the same view changing and getting blocked.

Hopefully this will get stopped before they start. If the guy thinks "walls make good neighbors", then he should have a bought a courtyard villa having the walls already in place.

You hit the nail on the head!! I am camera ready!

[asianthree]

:rant-rave: i am so sorry for you, we have a neighbor up north that the dog is outside 19hours a day and barks about 18 of it. we talked to them left them nice notes, had words called animal control. In the end they hate us the neighbors hate the dog, and the poor dog is the one who gets to sit in the rain, snow sun and dark all by himself.

[784caroline]

Jimbo2012

The Florida Statue that was quoted is promininetly found in the Village Architectural Review Committe Guidelines Page 57 Section 4.10 entitled LANDSCAPING. These guidlines make no distinction about water conservation areas.

http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Standards/images/compliance-standards/ArchitecturalReviewManual.pdf

[jimbo2012]

thanks for the link, but it should be read in concert with the other, it means the ARC restrictions can not interfere with the state law, not that you can plant anything you wish.

That's my quick read of it.

[Barefoot]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;520643]"...They will continue to be your neighbors and living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run..."/QUOTE]

Rules are rules and following them are important. However, is it more important to have neighbors you are on good terms with or neighbors you don't speak to or associate with? I agree with Gracie when she says "...living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run." Choose your battles wisely and with your future in mind.

I always think about some good advice given to me years and years ago. That advice was...if you consider this one of the worst things that can happen in your life then run with it. If it isn't one of the worst things that can happen in your life, then let it go. Best advice I've ever been given.

Think about it long and hard before you make your next move.

Bright, I agree with your words of wisdom. I really like your post. And I agree also with Gracie's sage advice "living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important. Least said, soonest mended".

[pfhannan]

Your delimia is solved by the Deed restrictions, call deed compliance at (352) 446-3762.

[birdawg]

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I expect we will have to live with these people for a long time, but when you pay a large premium for a golf course view and then because someone wants their dogs to be able to run without a leash they block the view you paid for I would think you would be upset too. Seems awful selfish to me. All of the neighbors around us have worked together to put in landscaping that wouldn't block each others view of the course. Then we get one person who thinks it's all a out him. We have a right to be mad. One bad apple is all it takes. Is it the worst thing that could happen? The answer is no but hedges and bushes is not what we paid for.

Maybe they have all the approvals and what they are doing is allowed, Maybe they have a electric fence for the dogs, And the bushes are ok, So I would try and get along. Being happy is everything

[skip0358]

Also don't assume the company doing the job got the approval either because many don't. And even if theyget approval we know of a job that was approved, after approval the owner changed the plans because he knew nobody comes out after to see if the job was done by the plans. Godd neighbor relations are important but so are your rights.

[paulandjean]

Good neighbors realtions are important,however,thats if they go both ways.You cannot be just one-sided. Trust me their are lots of people here who would just let them be bullied. Always stand up for yourself.Do not chalk this one up to experience.If they will not change, then "The Gloves Come OFF."

[SoccerCoach]

Sorry EnglishIvy about "District" ref. Whoever dispatched the person to indetify the location of utility lines followed protocol. Our landscaper would not begin until the locations were marked. He also complied with all setback rules, as well as educating us to the height limitations for plantings.

[philnpat]

I would think the more that's written here on TOTV the more the offending neighbor will have in his arsenal if he gets wind of the postings on TOTV. If I had this problem, I think I'd work with Deed Compliance rather than broadcast it for all to see.

[SoccerCoach]

Good Point!!

[goodgrief]

Also don't assume the company doing the job got the approval either because many don't. And even if theyget approval we know of a job that was approved, after approval the owner changed the plans because he knew nobody comes out after to see if the job was done by the plans. Godd neighbor relations are important but so are your rights.

Oh yeah this is SOOOOO true. You get them coming around here all the time just trying to sell landscaping off there trucks and woosh the stuff is being planted. I guarantee the nice unobtrusive landscaping done by our neighbors were not "approved". Couldn't be with as fast as it went it.

So you might do that permit check when its start. You can be a total but and record the whole process, make an official complaint and if they end up having to rip a bunch of it out and loose money for their troubles guess thats lesson learned.

I am with you Happinow...I would be beyond upset over this. I do hope you prevail.

[birdawg]

I would think the more that's written here on TOTV the more the offending neighbor will have in his arsenal if he gets wind of the postings on TOTV. If I had this problem, I think I'd work with Deed Compliance rather than broadcast it for all to see.

Well said, Again they may be within their rights

[Happinow]

I would think the more that's written here on TOTV the more the offending neighbor will have in his arsenal if he gets wind of the postings on TOTV. If I had this problem, I think I'd work with Deed Compliance rather than broadcast it for all to see.

We have taken all of necessary routes, talking to the professionals about our situation. I feel, that if anything, this post gives a heads up to others who are building or buying an already built home. You never know who your neighbors are going to be and not everyone wants to live in harmony. I am posting because folks on here often have great advice and it very frustrating knowing that one person can ruin it for many people. My golf view is just as important as any other persons view. We came here to live our dream, like many others. We will get this resolved and I expect the proper people will step in and make it right. I am not using this site as ammunition, nor do I expect my neighbor even knows about this site. And so if he does? The facts are the facts. This situation is kinda like the situation Penguin had when he first moved in with the green boxes. Everyone gave him advice and in the end it was resolved. But, he was frustrated and rightfully so. I have appreciate everyone's advice and tips. Thanks as always.

[784caroline]

Wow..with some comments posted on this board, you may want to consider selling the lot before you start building. Do you really want to get into a situation "where the gloves come off" or you are going to be in an environment where you are uncomfortable talking to your next door neighbor....what a mess to look forward to. I would definitely continue to work with the ARC....but if there is a problem, it may not be resolved over night. The talk about a lawsuit is nuts unless you have the backing of ARC, and even then if the ARC cannot resolve it, a judge would most likely throw it back to them and then you are in limbo. Yes a view is something and you paid for it..but good neighbors are invaluable...and it sounds like even if you did not have this landscaping problem.....other issues most likely loom ahead.

As they always say you can pick your lot, pick your house, but you cant pick your neighbors. WE know a number of people that have moved from one village location to get a bigger home or better lot view only to be displeased with the neighbors.....not a landscaping problem or anything like that just the new neighborhood was not like "we had before".

[jimbo2012]

The talk about a lawsuit is nuts unless you have the backing of ARC, and even then if the ARC cannot resolve it, a judge would most likely throw it back to them and then you are in limbo. .

That's not the way it works at all, if the ARC guidelines or restrictions are not met, in your deed it clearly states that the developer gives you the right to have them enforced in a Court before or after the work is done.

Moreover, the loser pays all your legal costs by way of the deed restrictions.

I'm reading mine in #215,
5 Enforcement (http://www.districtgov.org/images/DeedRestiction/sumter/District%209/S9-215.pdf)

Spells it out in very simple terms.

If I paid the premium to have a golf view I would exercise my rights to the fullest extent of the law.

Not only is this owner affecting Happynow but also the users of the golf course, which is also spelled out. section 2.7

I'm sure other sections at TV have the same or similar language.

[graciegirl]

That's not the way it works at all, if the ARC guidelines or restrictions are not met, in your deed it clearly states that the developer gives you the right to have them enforced in a Court before or after the work is done.

Moreover, the loser pays all your legal costs by way of the deed restrictions.

I'm reading mine in #215,
5 Enforcement (http://www.districtgov.org/images/DeedRestiction/sumter/District%209/S9-215.pdf)

Spells it out in very simple terms.

If I paid the premium to have a golf view I would exercise my rights to the fullest extent of the law.

Not only is this owner affecting Happynow but also the users of the golf course, which is also spelled out. section 2.7

I'm sure other sections at TV have the same or similar language.

And if you sue and you win? What do you win? And what do you lose?

Just sayin'.

[senior citizen]

...

[jimbo2012]

And if you sue and you win? What do you win? And what do you lose?

You win having any planting installed to code.

You win you right to quite enjoyment.

You lose any hope of having a good neighbor, but that sounds like it is lost anyway, in fact it was mentioned that other neighbors aren't too happy with this either.

But in the end the lawyer really wins.

Let's hope they apply and are explained what they can and can't do.

But if they don't apply for approval then what, let them do as they please? :bowdown::bowdown:

[784caroline]

That's not the way it works at all, if the ARC guidelines or restrictions are not met, in your deed it clearly states that the developer gives you the right to have them enforced in a Court before or after the work is done.

Moreover, the loser pays all your legal costs by way of the deed restrictions.

I'm reading mine in #215,
5 Enforcement (http://www.districtgov.org/images/DeedRestiction/sumter/District%209/S9-215.pdf)

Spells it out in very simple terms.

I'm sure other sections at TV have the same or similar language.


Jimbo2012

Yes a homeowner has the right to sue, but as you told me earlier, please read the entire provision. The developer also has the right but not the duty to enforce code violations. As I mentioned before if you dont have the backing of the ARC, your chances of succes are greatly dimisished. If (alleged) covenant violations are brought to their attention of teh ARC and they fail to take action, that does not set a very good legal precedent...or else there is a reason why.

In addition you are talking about a fair amount of money to hire lawyers and especialy if you go to court... you have to ask are you 100% certain of the outcome? You cant sue on emotions....

[cappyjon431]

[quote=jane032657;520804]

Well said. We are only asking that we all work together to preserve everyone's investment. This guy wants nothing to do with anyone and is clearly on a mission. Honestly it's not the dogs we are concerned with at this point, it's the fact that he is recklessly putting up landscaping without any concern for his neighbors view. We all want to get along but he clearly doesn't want to work with anyone. We aren't the only ones who are not happy with his plan. The other neighbors that it affects are very upset as well. I believe this will all get resolved as with a plan like his it is doubtful that it will get approved because he is breaking the rules.

Thank you for taking the dogs out of the equation. The bottom line is that you would be upset if the neighbors were doing this landscaping regardless of whether or not they had dogs. I think this thread has gotten somewhat sidetracked with all of the dog discussions when the truth is that the situation can be boiled down very simply--they are putting up landscaping that interferes with a view that you paid for an you feel you are entitled to. The real question is whether or not your neighbors are within their rights to put up this landscaping. If they are within their rights, there doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it. If they are violationg some code/covenant then it seems you have taken the appropriate initial steps to prevent the landscaping from being installed.

[jane032657]

I hate to tell you, but some dogs are brazen enough to push through an invisible fence........our neighbor, who are dear friends, is blind to the fact that her aging pooch likes to growl and knock over and bite folks.

"It" ran through the invisible fence on its own property, ran across our very very expansive front lawn and bit my husband's backside, through his pants, when he was getting our mail at the roadside mailbox.

When told, she said, "Oh?"

When they had three black dobermans (this one is a mutt), they would "unite" and growl , baring their teeth, at anyone who approached the home.

We have relatives also, whose dogs knock over people, elderly people, and couldn't care less. They also aren't afraid of the invisible fence.

Go figure. Stay safe. Don't make the dogs your enemies. We were walking up in our foothills once and a nice lady with her very nice teenaged daughter approached with their big black german shepherd pooch who took a dislike to my husband and again, bared his teeth and growled........it was scary, to say the least..........the women just said, "Oh he never does that"...........the dog appeared vicious.

We've had our share of dogs and cats while raising our kids, but tried to take the dogs to "class".......not too easy to train Irish Setters........
but some of our own family treat the pooches more like innocent children who don't need any boundaries........sad to say. GOOD LUCK.

I have Setters too! An Irish and an English. Again, we chose to not buy a designer or premier home because we believed our dogs would not be swayed by an invisible fence and did not want our neighbors or ourselves to be miserable. If you have dogs you have to know their personalities and behaviors, and while ours are as gentle as Setters should be, they are also brazen and spunky and would have been doing meet and greets all over the neighborhood with invisible fencing. Setters are a challenge to train though I know others do it. The real challenge is in training the owners. So we have our villa with the fenced yard. Everyone will be happy! It is sad when people have no regard for their neighbors. I thnk the comments in this thread about keeping peace with neighbors falls more to the neighbor who is disrupting his other neighbors, not the other way around, though I am always for keeping peace. But when you have made such an investment in your property and home with the understanding their are restrictions on yourself and others, I think Happinow has good reason to be upset when there is blatant disregard for the neighbors who are conforming to the rules.

[jimbo2012]

Jimbo2012
Yes a homeowner has the right to sue, but as you told me earlier, please read the entire provision. The developer also has the right but not the duty to enforce code violations. As I mentioned before if you dont have the backing of the ARC, your chances of succes are greatly dimisished. If (alleged) covenant violations are brought to their attention of teh ARC and they fail to take action, that does not set a very good legal precedent...or else there is a reason why.

In addition you are talking about a fair amount of money to hire lawyers and especialy if you go to court... you have to ask are you 100% certain of the outcome? You cant sue on emotions....

I'm sure you can ask the ARC for a determination in writing as to violations.
If they didn't agree, you would lose more than likely.

But they just are not required to enforce, but they may (especially with several neighbors on board and the effect of the golf course).

You can also add the ARC to the suit for failure to follow it's own guide lines.

100% certain of the outcome, never. Just reasonably sure.

The first thing a good lawyer would do is look up case law on the subject.

As to cost my guess is $750-$1,000, it's only a motion & reply, then maybe a hearing or determination by submission.

A home on a golf view is likely over a $500K investment, what's the cost a small a small lawsuit be comparison.

"covenant violations are brought to their attention of teh ARC and they fail to take action, that does not set a very good legal precedent"

That would NOT be a legal precedent.

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[moongirl]

We had a similar situation at our first home in TV (except no dog). We had a "golf course view" until our neighbor planted a number of fruit trees right on the property line between our houses (not on the easement). He also planted a row of bottlebrush along his back property line. Blocked the golf course view for the whole street. He did not go to district/ARC folks for a permit; just planted them. Felt like we were living in a forest. When we complained/reported to the powers that be, they came out, looked, and said since he had already planted they would not make him remove them, but when the trees/bushes died, he would not be allowed to replant. I said, "So if we break the rules first before you find out, you won't hold us to them!" Of course the inspector denied that was what he was saying. Needless to say, we sold that house and moved to one right on the golf course with no one behind us. Also, great neighbors now. Much happier here. :)

[graciegirl]

I think what can be learned from this is to look carefully at the lots around your potential home and think how other homes will be positioned and how these future neighbors might be planting trees and bushes or even erecting a pillared pool enclosure. The things that homeowners can do that are within their rights to do can obstruct your view of something you had counted on.

It is important that everyone needs to do their due diligence on researching what will happen on the lots around them so they won't be disappointed with an obstructed view that was bound to happen.

[Happinow]

You win having any planting installed to code.

You win you right to quite enjoyment.

You lose any hope of having a good neighbor, but that sounds like it is lost anyway, in fact it was mentioned that other neighbors aren't too happy with this either.

But in the end the lawyer really wins.

Let's hope they apply and are explained what they can and can't do.

But if they don't apply for approval then what, let them do as they please? :bowdown::bowdown:


We have no intensions to sue. Not a battle we want to engage in. As some of you have surmised, this "neighbor" had no intension of being a good neighbor from the start. When his house was being built, he pulled up in his new red vet, and spit on the ground. Then, when my husband went over to talk to him about not blocking our view, all he could say was that he paid cash for his place and wanted everything perfect with the house. He assured us he wouldnt block our view. In a future visit, he brought his dogs over and let them run loose on the property, he then had cleaning people in the house just prior to closing and he told the cleaning gal that "servants do not wear shoes in his home". Our other neighbor heard this with his own ears. Doesn't sound too friendly to me, so we knew he wasn't going to be a good neighbor. We will do our best not to get into any confrontation with him because that is not our style. We will let the right people handle it and will have to live with the outcome. If you could see the paint layout on his lawn, you too would see that it is not anything the villages would approve. Let's hope they do their job on this one.

[ncr2482]

:agree:[quote=Happinow;520829]

Thank you for taking the dogs out of the equation. The bottom line is that you would be upset if the neighbors were doing this landscaping regardless of whether or not they had dogs. I think this thread has gotten somewhat sidetracked with all of the dog discussions when the truth is that the situation can be boiled down very simply--they are putting up landscaping that interferes with a view that you paid for an you feel you are entitled to. The real question is whether or not your neighbors are within their rights to put up this landscaping. If they are within their rights, there doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it. If they are violationg some code/covenant then it seems you have taken the appropriate initial steps to prevent the landscaping from being installed.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;520643]"...They will continue to be your neighbors and living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run..."/QUOTE]

Choose your battles wisely and with your future in mind.

I always think about some good advice given to me years and years ago. That advice was...if you consider this one of the worst things that can happen in your life then run with it. If it isn't one of the worst things that can happen in your life, then let it go. Best advice I've ever been given.



:agree: TOTALLY!

[tommy steam]

I think you need to not only be happynow but happy later. :rant-rave:

Remember anything that's planted now will grow UP and get fuller, do you think they will keep those hedges at 4' in the future.

You really need to stop it before it begins the work, it sounds like your neighbors are a bit of a jerk not to talk it out with U, fine that's there prerogative.

It's your prerogative to file an inquiry into the review folks or whom ever to tell them what's going on. Ask them what the limitations are and get a clear understanding about getting this work must require an approval.

I see you posted at the same time, good you are on the right track.



I don't like the word "suggested" that can't be enforced?


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More than a bit.

[tommy steam]

Someone mentioned that you being on a golf course the Arch Review Board would have to approve the project. This is only partly true, the ARC must approve nearly every new or additional project whether it be on a golf course or not. We just went thru a problem with the home modification by a neighbor. Sadly, the ARC has very little authority to enforce anything unless it is specifically spelled out in the deed restrictions.There is a strict rule about animals being on leashes anytime outside the home, also there are rules that limit households to only one dog and the size of that dog. I suggest you go to the Villages Governmental Offices at Laurel Manor asap.

Only one dog?

[tommy steam]

the dog problem is VERY easy to solve,,, Back homeI had a neighbor whose dog did his "bussiness" near my side of the yard.. near where we used to set when we were at the pool,, needless to say the odor got a bit much,,, guy was a real jerk,,, chatting one day with the meter reader he showed me a small unit that they used rather than spray to keep the dogs away... It emitted a harsh tone only the dog could hear,, I ordered one online,,, hooked it up near my pool house,, the tone didnt bother anyone but the dog,, and let me tell you this,, When he came out of the house,, he had a change of heart on where to dump a load for the day... he seemed to not be in the yard much with this tone coming from my yard... was interesting in the winter in snow when you see tracks in snow,, my side of the yard never had tracks in it,, much less anything else!,,,as far as the bushes,,, let him get them all put in,,, then take him to task!! you have tried to be a nice guy,, and work with him,, now be a grizzly bear,, not just a cub!

may I ask what was the name of the unit and where did you buy it? thanks

[tommy steam]

We have no intensions to sue. Not a battle we want to engage in. As some of you have surmised, this "neighbor" had no intension of being a good neighbor from the start. When his house was being built, he pulled up in his new red vet, and spit on the ground. Then, when my husband went over to talk to him about not blocking our view, all he could say was that he paid cash for his place and wanted everything perfect with the house. He assured us he wouldnt block our view. In a future visit, he brought his dogs over and let them run loose on the property, he then had cleaning people in the house just prior to closing and he told the cleaning gal that "servants do not wear shoes in his home". Our other neighbor heard this with his own ears. Doesn't sound too friendly to me, so we knew he wasn't going to be a good neighbor. We will do our best not to get into any confrontation with him because that is not our style. We will let the right people handle it and will have to live with the outcome. If you could see the paint layout on his lawn, you too would see that it is not anything the villages would approve. Let's hope they do their job on this one.
This guy sounds like a classic bullie to me. I think you have to do what you think is best for you. We have had people like that in our neighborhood up north. They had to be taken down a peg or two.

[lightworker888]

I don't know what unit the other poster used, but you can get a Pet Zoom at Walgreen in their "as seen on TV" display for $10. It is the best investment I ever made. Our dog will stop doing whatever we don't want her to do as soon as she hears the sound. We can't hear it as it is a very high pitch sound, but dogs can hear it and it is very irritating to them. It is a rectangular blue box and we have had it for over 2 years and the battery still is working. There may be other similar items out there but this was the most economical and easy to get.

LW888

[goodgrief]

may I ask what was the name of the unit and where did you buy it? thanks

Ditto. Would like to know as well. We had one at our old place that deterred the barking. But would love to know about this one if ever the need arises again.

[renrod]

Ditto. Would like to know as well. We had one at our old place that deterred the barking. But would love to know about this one if ever the need arises again.

Like this
dog dazer | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=dog+dazer&_nkwusc=dog+dazzer&_rdc=1)

We live in a neighborhood with more dogs than you would believe. Bought one of these and it worked on some of the dogs but the little white yappers, it just gets them going more. Boxer next door did not like it and would go inside when I used it, I almost felt sorry for him, while the others just keep going.

[jrandall]

Oh no that sounds awful. Which Village are you in?

[PennBF]

I would recommend you call Village Customer Service 753-4508 and they
are excellent in looking into problems and helping.:bowdown:

[Bogie Shooter]

I would recommend you call Village Customer Service 753-4508 and they
are excellent in looking into problems and helping.:bowdown:

For a dog problem or a landscape problem?

[renielarson]

"...You lose any hope of having a good neighbor..."

...or being known as a good neighbor on your street.

My street is very social and we have birthday parties, card games, shopping trips, poker nights, dancing in garages, etc. The neighbors who tend to be negative and controversial are not included. I prefer to live amicably among my neighbors, be on good terms with them, and be included in neighborhood activities. I'm here to enjoy the life I have left and not put on my boxing gloves...especially for situations that aren't life threatening, dangerous, or destructive.

I'd fight against doctors who don't do their job or something else that is detriment to me living a longer, healthier life...not a neighbor who blocks my "view".

[graciegirl]

...or being known as a good neighbor on your street.

My street is very social and we have birthday parties, card games, shopping trips, poker nights, dancing in garages, etc. The neighbors who tend to be negative and controversial are not included. I prefer to live amicably among my neighbors, be on good terms with them, and be included in neighborhood activities. I'm here to enjoy the life I have left and not put on my boxing gloves...especially for situations that aren't life threatening, dangerous, or destructive.

I'd fight against doctors who don't do their job or something else that is detriment to me living a longer, healthier life...not a neighbor who blocks my "view".

Excellent attitude Bright.:pepper2: Your neighbors are fortunate. Your outlook is realistic and kind.

[Patty55]

Like this
dog dazer | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=dog+dazer&_nkwusc=dog+dazzer&_rdc=1)

We live in a neighborhood with more dogs than you would believe. Bought one of these and it worked on some of the dogs but the little white yappers, it just gets them going more. Boxer next door did not like it and would go inside when I used it, I almost felt sorry for him, while the others just keep going.

You used this thing on your neighbor's dog while it was in it's own yard? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You don't see anything wrong in that?

IMO, this is sick.

[Barefoot]

You used this thing on your neighbor's dog while it was in it's own yard? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You don't see anything wrong in that? IMO, this is sick.

Cruel.

[gerryann]

I hope he wasnt using it for a thrill. Kinda scary thinking that someone can use something like that and no one would know except the torchered dogs.

[paulandjean]

I do not think these "would torture" a dog. It just gives out a sound.Do not understand? What is so bad about what this guy did.If I had his problem would buy one in a second.

[Patty55]

I do not think these "would torture" a dog. It just gives out a sound.Do not understand? What is so bad about what this guy did.If I had his problem would buy one in a second.

Really? It just gives out a sound? Have you ever seen what high-pitch sounds do to a dog? When my fire alarm battery chirps for replacement my dog starts shaking and hides under the bed.

Those things are meant as a training device, not to zap your neighbors dogs while they are in THEIR OWN YARDS. Do you go around smacking other peoples children too? Where do you draw the line?

[shcisamax]

I hesitate to get involved in this discussion but in reading this protracted thread, I just have to weigh in. This thread has gone crazy from suing to taking it out on the dogs.

Happinow has described HER lot as sitting back and down from the golf course. Is it possible, because of the placement of HER lot, she is expecting HER neighbor who sits further out on the golf course to sacrifice what THEY bought for THEIR needs? Just posing the question. Sometimes we need to consider another person's point of view.

I am not saying that Happinow's view has not been compromised but perhaps the neighbor paid a premium for a property that was further out on the course than hers so that they could do precisely what they are doing and satisfy their needs.
Before we chose this lot, we knew we didn't want to see any houses out our back on the golf course and so we checked. We chose a lot that no matter how far out someone built, we would still be out further so our view would not be impacted in any meaningful way. We drove to the other side of the course to see what had and what hadn't been built on the other side of the hill to know exactly what we would be looking at. And, more important, what could still be built that could impact our view.

Happinow is wise in talking to those who have the real knowledge to decide whether she is in the position of right or the neighbor is within his/her right and letting them speak to the neighbor. A public forum is not the place this will be resolved and given what has been posted, if seen or heard about, will make the chance of "mending fences" more difficult if at all possible. If it were me, I would ask the admin to take this thing down immediately. My insignificant opinion.

[paulandjean]

Really? It just gives out a sound? Have you ever seen what high-pitch sounds do to a dog? When my fire alarm battery chirps for replacement my dog starts shaking and hides under the bed.

Those things are meant as a training device, not to zap your neighbors dogs while they are in THEIR OWN YARDS. Do you go around smacking other peoples children too? Where do you draw the line?

Patty,Sorry children are "Human Beings"---Dogs are "Animals think a big difference. So its allright to use as a training devise? So you dog hides under the bed when your battery chirps-- Well what can I say?

[graciegirl]

I hesitate to get involved in this discussion but in reading this protracted thread, I just have to weigh in. This thread has gone crazy from suing to taking it out on the dogs.

Happinow has described HER lot as sitting back and down from the golf course. Is it possible, because of the placement of HER lot, she is expecting HER neighbor who sits further out on the golf course to sacrifice what THEY bought for THEIR needs? Just posing the question. Sometimes we need to consider another person's point of view.

I am not saying that Happinow's view has not been compromised but perhaps the neighbor paid a premium for a property that was further out on the course than hers so that they could do precisely what they are doing and satisfy their needs.
Before we chose this lot, we knew we didn't want to see any houses out our back on the golf course and so we checked. We chose a lot that no matter how far out someone built, we would still be out further so our view would not be impacted in any meaningful way. We drove to the other side of the course to see what had and what hadn't been built on the other side of the hill to know exactly what we would be looking at. And, more important, what could still be built that could impact our view.

Happinow is wise in talking to those who have the real knowledge to decide whether she is in the position of right or the neighbor is within his/her right and letting them speak to the neighbor. A public forum is not the place this will be resolved and given what has been posted, if seen or heard about, will make the chance of "mending fences" more difficult if at all possible. If it were me, I would ask the admin to take this thing down immediately. My insignificant opinion.

And a valid opinion.

[gomoho]

This is getting very ugly and out of hand.

[Patty55]

I hesitate to get involved in this discussion but in reading this protracted thread, I just have to weigh in. This thread has gone crazy from suing to taking it out on the dogs.

Happinow has described HER lot as sitting back and down from the golf course. Is it possible, because of the placement of HER lot, she is expecting HER neighbor who sits further out on the golf course to sacrifice what THEY bought for THEIR needs? Just posing the question. Sometimes we need to consider another person's point of view.

I am not saying that Happinow's view has not been compromised but perhaps the neighbor paid a premium for a property that was further out on the course than hers so that they could do precisely what they are doing and satisfy their needs.
Before we chose this lot, we knew we didn't want to see any houses out our back on the golf course and so we checked. We chose a lot that no matter how far out someone built, we would still be out further so our view would not be impacted in any meaningful way. We drove to the other side of the course to see what had and what hadn't been built on the other side of the hill to know exactly what we would be looking at. And, more important, what could still be built that could impact our view.

Happinow is wise in talking to those who have the real knowledge to decide whether she is in the position of right or the neighbor is within his/her right and letting them speak to the neighbor. A public forum is not the place this will be resolved and given what has been posted, if seen or heard about, will make the chance of "mending fences" more difficult if at all possible. If it were me, I would ask the admin to take this thing down immediately. My insignificant opinion.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow: (Pulling on my flame suit here)

If Happinow paid for an unobstructive view, then she has a complaint, but what exactly is her problem?

She mentions electric fencing, maybe the reason for the shrubs is so the dogs will have a sight line that they will "respect" as a fence rather than just run till they are zapped. What would she have them do, count strides?

She also mentions the guy drives a "red vet", unless he has a former Communist army member pulling him in a rickshaw I think he has a red corvette-who cares. He's rude to his help, again unless she's taking up house cleaning, this should not be her problem.

This guy is planting landscaping ON HIS OWN PROPERTY, his dog is in his own house, he will be running without a leash IN HIS OWN BACKYARD (is their now a leash-law prohibiting this).

As far as having a decent relationship with your neighbors, I think that ship has sailed. Look at the bright side, you're getting some free landscaping.

[Patty55]

Patty,Sorry children are "Human Beings"---Dogs are "Animals think a big difference. So its allright to use as a training devise? So you dog hides under the bed when your battery chirps-- Well what can I say?

Nothing to say, I'm going to take the Zen approach here...

"THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE, THEY DO WHAT THEY DO".

Yes, it is alright to use a training device on your own dog, it's not a device I would endorse. It is not alright to use it on a neighbors dog that is on their own property.

[senior citizen]

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[jimbo2012]

Thanks neighbor, U ignored the planting restrictions and U just devalued my property.:boxing2:

http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a05/4h/r2/make-living-wall-privacy-neighbors-800x800.jpg

Two famous people in the same boat Larry ellison (http://blog.sfgate.com/ontheblock/2011/06/02/update-ellison-states-hes-not-buying-neighbors-property/) (the big Lanai)

Kevin Costner (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2161892/Kevin-Costner-sued-neighbour-refusing-cut-tall-trees-blocking-view.html)

[skip0358]

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow: (Pulling on my flame suit here)

If Happinow paid for an unobstructive view, then she has a complaint, but what exactly is her problem?

She mentions electric fencing, maybe the reason for the shrubs is so the dogs will have a sight line that they will "respect" as a fence rather than just run till they are zapped. What would she have them do, count strides?

She also mentions the guy drives a "red vet", unless he has a former Communist army member pulling him in a rickshaw I think he has a red corvette-who cares. He's rude to his help, again unless she's taking up house cleaning, this should not be her problem.

This guy is planting landscaping ON HIS OWN PROPERTY, his dog is in his own house, he will be running without a leash IN HIS OWN BACKYARD (is their now a leash-law prohibiting this).

As far as having a decent relationship with your neighbors, I think that ship has sailed. Look at the bright side, you're getting some free landscaping.

Yes there is a no leash law. And you CAN plant but not to form a hedge between homesites and not in excess of 4" high and not in the swail line or within a certain distance of the property line. Yes it is getting a little crazy. The right thing was done by happinow,the proper agency was notified and when the work starts someone will come to the property. Far to many restriction are being stretched or ignored completly. Good luck Happinow.

[graciegirl]

I am guessing, and hoping that this will be another tempest in a teapot and the plants and bushes will not be an obstruction to Happinow's view, and the person who planted them will have receiived permission to do so and the next potluck will be peaceful and happy, now and later.:doggie::ho:

[mrsanborn]

This could be a reality show - The Real Wives of Brownwood. No, a movie - Invasion of The View Snatchers. Pan to the house. Pan the neighborhood. Back to the house. Red Vette pulls into the driveway. Man gets out and spits. His dogs get out of the passenger side and pee on the lamp post. Suddenly, you hear, "the servants in my house don't wear shoes!" The neighbors, looking from quarter open blinds are horrified as they know they are witnessing the beginning of the Invasion of The View Snatchers!

[Patty55]

I am guessing, and hoping that this will be another tempest in a teapot and the plants and bushes will not be an obstruction to Happinow's view, and the person who planted them will have receiived permission to do so and the next potluck will be peaceful and happy, now and later.:doggie::ho:

GG, always the diplomat. I'm not being sarcastic, I admire that.

I'm changing my mantra from "They are what they are, they do what they do" to WWGGD? (What would GracieGirl do).

[Patty55]

This could be a reality show - The Real Wives of Brownwood. No, a movie - Invasion of The View Snatchers. Pan to the house. Pan the neighborhood. Back to the house. Red Vette pulls into the driveway. Man gets out and spits. His dogs get out of the passenger side and pee on the lamp post. Suddenly, you hear, "the servants in my house don't wear shoes!" The neighbors, looking from quarter open blinds are horrified as they know they are witnessing the beginning of the Invasion of The View Snatchers!

:1rotfl:
Love it.

[shcisamax]

"hoping that this will be another tempest in a teapot" Me thinks this teapot hath dost floweth over. But kudos to you Gracie for taking the best possible "view" of this :)...as always.

[Barefoot]

If Happinow paid for an unobstructive view, then she has a complaint, but what exactly is her problem? Look at the bright side, you're getting some free landscaping.

Unless you buy a large pie-shaped lot, I don't see how anyone could be guaranteed a totally unobstructed view. I think the problem is more about fear of what a neighbor may do in the future rather than an existing problem. E.G., potentially not keeping the shrubs trimmed to four feet.

Someone who buys a lot that backs on golf course can control what is planted on their own lot, so that they have an unobstructed "straight-ahead" view. However a neighbor also has a right to enjoyment of their lot and view. And I believe that includes the right to build a birdcage, providing it stops at least ten feet from the property line. Or plant shrubs keeping back from the property line, as long as they keep the bushes trimmed to four feet.

With a "fence" of shrubs, Happinow will not have to look at two large dogs cavorting in the yard next door. So this could possibly be a good thing. Perhaps the neighbor is trying to be responsible, and may well decide to put in invisible fencing within the shrubbery.

I think that trying to control what neighbours do with their lot will just lead to neighbors "taking sides", and eventually to a divided neighborhood which I think would be very unpleasant. We all want to spend our golden years in a harmonious stress-free environment. Compromises may be required to achieve this.

[Barefoot]

This could be a reality show - The Real Wives of Brownwood. No, a movie - Invasion of The View Snatchers. Pan to the house. Pan the neighborhood. Back to the house. Red Vette pulls into the driveway. Man gets out and spits. His dogs get out of the passenger side and pee on the lamp post. Suddenly, you hear, "the servants in my house don't wear shoes!" The neighbors, looking from quarter open blinds are horrified as they know they are witnessing the beginning of the Invasion of The View Snatchers!

:a040::mademyday: love your humor.

[senior citizen]

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[duffysmom]

This could be a reality show - The Real Wives of Brownwood. No, a movie - Invasion of The View Snatchers. Pan to the house. Pan the neighborhood. Back to the house. Red Vette pulls into the driveway. Man gets out and spits. His dogs get out of the passenger side and pee on the lamp post. Suddenly, you hear, "the servants in my house don't wear shoes!" The neighbors, looking from quarter open blinds are horrified as they know they are witnessing the beginning of the Invasion of The View Snatchers!

This is one of the funniest posts ever!!!! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Mrsanborn you forgot to mention that the spitting vet driver had NY plates. Bada Boom....

[birdawg]

This is one of the funniest posts ever!!!! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Mrsanborn you forgot to mention that the spitting vet driver had NY plates. Bada Boom....

It's Bada Bing

[CarolSells]

It's Bada Bing

bada bing, bada boom

this "expression" can be used like the word "voila" ----> something is finished or completed...

[Patty55]

...And as the closing credits roll Mr. NY Spitting Vette owner sits in his lanai smoking a cigar belting out "I've gotta be me" while his dog howls along.

[Madelaine Amee]

...And as the closing credits roll Mr. NY Spitting Vette owner sits in his lanai smoking a cigar belting out "I've gotta be me" while his dog howls along.

Great thread, read it from start to finish and loved every minute of it. Only goes to show that this is truly Florida's Friendliest Retirement Community and we all have too much time on our hands ..........................

[mrsanborn]

...Mr. NY Spitting Vette owner ...

Bud Light presents Real Men of Genius. Today we salute you Mr NY Spitting Vette owner. Your true genius has combined two of mans favorite things. Vettes and spitting. It's a car. It's a statement. It's a manly man statement. Brilliant. You know that you are what you are and you have the Vette and spit to prove it. So, crack open an ice cold Bud Light and relax for you have arrived.

[Patty55]

Bud Light presents Real Men of Genius. Today we salute you Mr NY Spitting Vette owner. Your true genius has combined two of mans favorite things. Vettes and spitting. It's a car. It's a statement. It's a manly man statement. Brilliant. You know that you are what you are and you have the Vette and spit to prove it. So, crack open an ice cold Bud Light and relax for you have arrived.

Don't forget the barefoot wench cleaning while he enjoys the view he stole.

[skyc6]

Love this thread!

My view is my view! My neighbors view is their view. By view, I mean looking straight out from anywhere inside your lot line. It is not possible for anyone to block your view looking straight out from your lot on a golf course. The problem here is that some people think their view is a 180 degree view, which in reality, is their view combined with their neighbors on either side. It is not my neighbor's job to preserve my view from their yard, since the view in their yard is their view.

[gerryann]

Love this thread!

My view is my view! My neighbors view is their view. By view, I mean looking straight out from anywhere inside your lot line. It is not possible for anyone to block your view looking straight out from your lot on a golf course. The problem here is that some people think their view is a 180 degree view, which in reality, is their view combined with their neighbors on either side. It is not my neighbor's job to preserve my view from their yard, since the view in their yard is their view.
Now this makes sense....never thought of it this way. I know we would all love the unubstructed 180 view....but unfortunately, we take our chances unless we own a few acres.

[Patty55]

I think in TV it's pretty obvious, you get what you pay for.

[jimbo2012]

wow in 48 hours over 6,000 page views.

:popcorn::popcorn:

[skyc6]

Yes, Patty, you do get what you pay for, and unfortunately those views come at quite a price tag! :) We all wish the views were panoramic and expansive, but alas, they are as wide as the lot you purchase.
We are very blessed in this country to have this much space around us, including the views. 90% of the world's population couldn't imagine it.
I love The Villages!

[Patty55]

wow in 48 hours over 6,000 page views.

:popcorn::popcorn:

Yep, I hope nobody was planning a stealth move.

[Happinow]

The real issue here is that our neighbors sole purpose for putting this hedge fence is to create a "doggy park" for his dogs. Those are his exact words. The sole purpose of this hedge fence is to keep his dogs on his property WITHOUT a leash. The hedges are not landscaping purposes. They are to create a dog park/fence in his yard. The second issue is that this doggy park/hedge fence will block our view. The Covenants &Restrictions clearly states, and I quote "pets must be controlled on a leash when not in the confines of the home." It also states "No fence, barrier, wall or structure of any kind or nature shall be placed on the property. No side or rear hedges exceeding (4) feet in height shall be permitted.". So, if I understand this correctly, he may put in hedges in, but not so that they create a barrier or wall structure. I overheard him say it would be about 200 shrubs he would be planting. Sounds like a barrier or fence to me. I'm not so sure this topic has gotten out of hand. People are putting in their 2 cents and isn't that what this forum is for?? Everyone has an opinion. It's ok to express your opinion. I never said we were goi g to sue, in fact I said that wasn't for us....we are not that kind of people. Lastly, as for getting along with our neighbors...we are very social with EVERYONE except for this newest one. He has chosen the wrong path....not us. The new neighbor has had an attitude from the start, putting himself in the position of not being welcome by others.
Ike I said before, the neighbors beside him are upset by his doggy park escapades as well. I appreciate everyone's input. We are continuing to follow up on this and will work with the Village District To make sure everyone follows the rules.

[jimbo2012]

Sounds like you have a plan and the regulations on your side.

:clap2:

[gomoho]

Wouldn't an invisible fence serve the same purpose at a much lower cost - both financially and emotionally? Had a Great Dane that crossed the fence once - company came back and tuned it up and he never made that mistake again. Yes momentarily it's
probably not the most pleasant experience, but it paid off with years of being able to roam the yard, chase the geese, and pretty much have an awesome and free experience.
I believe it is a one in a million chance the dog won't get it. They can play as free as they were meant to be, the owner has his own dog park and the neighbors are happy. Has anyone considered this option????

[Bogie Shooter]

Wouldn't an invisible fence serve the same purpose at a much lower cost - both financially and emotionally? Had a Great Dane that crossed the fence once - company came back and tuned it up and he never made that mistake again. Yes momentarily it's
probably not the most pleasant experience, but it paid off with years of being able to roam the yard, chase the geese, and pretty much have an awesome and free experience.
I believe it is a one in a million chance the dog won't get it. They can play as free as they were meant to be, the owner has his own dog park and the neighbors are happy. Has anyone considered this option????

The other party to this issue has not chimed in, so how would we know what he really is thinking?
You may want to go back and read all the posts...........it was mentioned early on a dog fence was being considered

[Bogie Shooter]

I would think the more that's written here on TOTV the more the offending neighbor will have in his arsenal if he gets wind of the postings on TOTV. If I had this problem, I think I'd work with Deed Compliance rather than broadcast it for all to see.

There is some wise advice in this post.

[Patty55]

Wouldn't an invisible fence serve the same purpose at a much lower cost - both financially and emotionally? Had a Great Dane that crossed the fence once - company came back and tuned it up and he never made that mistake again. Yes momentarily it's
probably not the most pleasant experience, but it paid off with years of being able to roam the yard, chase the geese, and pretty much have an awesome and free experience.
I believe it is a one in a million chance the dog won't get it. They can play as free as they were meant to be, the owner has his own dog park and the neighbors are happy. Has anyone considered this option????

The OP has a problem with the dog running is his own yard off leash.

[RichieLion]

If the landscaping is approved by Community Standards, I think that's the end of this story. The "offending" homeowner would have found a significant loophole to the restrictions the OP has stated.

I wish the OP luck, but a homeowner has the rights to his own property.

[cappyjon431]

The real issue here is that our neighbors sole purpose for putting this hedge fence is to create a "doggy park" for his dogs. Those are his exact words. The sole purpose of this hedge fence is to keep his dogs on his property WITHOUT a leash. The hedges are not landscaping purposes. They are to create a dog park/fence in his yard. The second issue is that this doggy park/hedge fence will block our view. The Covenants &Restrictions clearly states, and I quote "pets must be controlled on a leash when not in the confines of the home." It also states "No fence, barrier, wall or structure of any kind or nature shall be placed on the property. No side or rear hedges exceeding (4) feet in height shall be permitted.". So, if I understand this correctly, he may put in hedges in, but not so that they create a barrier or wall structure. I overheard him say it would be about 200 shrubs he would be planting. Sounds like a barrier or fence to me. I'm not so sure this topic has gotten out of hand. People are putting in their 2 cents and isn't that what this forum is for?? Everyone has an opinion. It's ok to express your opinion. I never said we were goi g to sue, in fact I said that wasn't for us....we are not that kind of people. Lastly, as for getting along with our neighbors...we are very social with EVERYONE except for this newest one. He has chosen the wrong path....not us. The new neighbor has had an attitude from the start, putting himself in the position of not being welcome by others.
Ike I said before, the neighbors beside him are upset by his doggy park escapades as well. I appreciate everyone's input. We are continuing to follow up on this and will work with the Village District To make sure everyone follows the rules.

Happinow, I understand your concern and I certainly hope that if he is in violation of TV codes that the powers that be stop him from planting his hedge/landscaping.

That being said, I honestly believe that his motivation for putting in the landscaping (to keep his dog/dogs contained) is irrelevent. If he had said "I'm putting it in because I like the design" or "I'm putting it in for privacy" or "I'm putting it in because I like to sunbathe nude and I don't want to offend the neighbors" it would still lead to the same result--he will be obscuring a view that you valued.

In post #35 you wrote, "Honestly it's not the dogs we are concerned with at this point, it's the fact that he is recklessly putting up landscaping without any concern for his neighbors view." But in your last post you wrote "The real issue here is that our neighbors sole purpose for putting this hedge fence is to create a "doggy park" for his dogs. Those are his exact words. The sole purpose of this hedge fence is to keep his dogs on his property WITHOUT a leash." These two statements appear somewhat inconsistant and i think it would be better for all involved if you focused on whether or not he is breaking the rules, not his motivation for putting in his landscaping.

The dog issue is a red herring. Dogs can roam in the backyard offleash if there is an invisible fence. To be honest, I let my dog roam free in the backyard offleash to do his business (under my supervision of course) so that he does not go on my neighbors lawns when I walk him on the leash. None of my neighbors have complained about him being offleash--I don't think it is an issue unless a neighbor complains and so far, I haven't had any complaints.

To me the issue is very black and white. If he is violating TV rules with his landscaping, he should not be permitted to install the landscaping. If he is within his rights (according to the rules), he should be allowed to do what he wants on his own property.

When we try to get inside people's heads and determine their motivations for their actions we open up a can of worms that can cause all sorts of problems.

Good luck with your situation and I hope that everything turns out OK for you.

[Happinow]

Wouldn't an invisible fence serve the same purpose at a much lower cost - both financially and emotionally? Had a Great Dane that crossed the fence once - company came back and tuned it up and he never made that mistake again. Yes momentarily it's
probably not the most pleasant experience, but it paid off with years of being able to roam the yard, chase the geese, and pretty much have an awesome and free experience.
I believe it is a one in a million chance the dog won't get it. They can play as free as they were meant to be, the owner has his own dog park and the neighbors are happy. Has anyone considered this option????

We did mention this option to him and he said when he lived in NY, he had one of those and they didn't work. The dogs went through them. Would have been a great option for him as our neighbors to the left of us have one for their little dog and he is never a problem.

[jimbo2012]

If it didn't work for him it was improper training, they do work.

But there's no way a hedge or bush is stopping a dog that's for sure.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

:rant-rave::boxing2:Can't we all just get along?:boxing2::rant-rave:

:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah::

[Barefoot]

Wouldn't an invisible fence serve the same purpose at a much lower cost - both financially and emotionally? Has anyone considered this option????

I have posted numerous times about the invisible fencing we had installed by Dog Watch in Ocala. We have two dogs, one 10 lbs, and one 70 lbs, and it contains them both beautifully. It won't work unless the owner does some preliminary boundary training before the fence is activated. Dog Watch is great with assisting with the training! It was a pleasure to deal with them.

I hope that Happinow's neighbor considers invisible fencing, which is a Villages approved option.

[jane032657]

Having lived with water views, magnificent water views, in British Columbia for many years, my heart melts when views are blocked because I know how Douglas Firs will get you almost every time in the Pacific Northwest! The real issue in this thread is communication and negotiation when you live in clustered settings. Nothing can be resolved unless both parties are willing to at least discuss the issue and hear each others side. You may never agree, but you will have the chance to exchange opion and try to come to commanality. We all need to compromise when living in close proximity. It is not just about what you spend on your lot, it is about how you feel when you walk out your front door every day, and how you look forward to seeing those around you, and how you value community and your place in it.

[gustavo]

Unless you buy a large pie-shaped lot, I don't see how anyone could be guaranteed a totally unobstructed view.

Even a large, pie shaped lot does not insure a 180 view as each house has to be x feet from the street, in line with the neighbors, and you never know how far the neighbor's pool and landscaping will reach.

My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

Happinow has a pie shaped lot on a cul de sac. Unfortunately for her, the best, unobstructed view does not align with the placement of the house. The view looking straight out the lanai/pool crosses not one but two adjacent lots. She needs to look out the Lanai to the right to see an unobstructed view, which as she said is limited because the lot is lower than the course, especially in that direction. Saw the orange line on the other property, and yes she is going to loose the best view. Even saw the guy with his two dogs walking them on the street chatting with some neighbors.

As I see it, Happi is going to have a tough time convincing this fellow to be a "good"(for her) neighbor because he isn't even the closest neighbor that could obstruct the view, and he lives in the next cul de sac. Not like they will be bumping into each other every day picking up the morning paper.

Happi paid a lot of money for the lot and the house and it's a shame that she thought she was getting a great view.

I also live on a golf course. I paid $16,000 more than Happi did for her lot but got a much better view (championship course green, big oaks, eastern exposure, no cart path and large water hazard). We walked our street for weeks, if not months, knowing the lots would be released soon, trying to determine which lot was "the best". Every night my wife would drag me down there to walk each prospective lot to see which view was unobstructed. Which lot would accommodate the model we chose. Which lot would fit a golf cart garage. Which lot would have room for a pool. Also used the Sumter county plats, which were available even before the lots were released, if you knew where to go to get them, to determine dimensions, easements, drainage and utility box placements. The day the lots were released, we got our first choice of five potential lots. My point is, sometimes you luck into a great view but due diligence insures it.

I hope Happi can realize that this guy is entitled to do what he intends, as I see it. She is on the next block over, even though their properties touch, with another property in between. He also paid a lot of money for his lot and view as well. If for some reason he were forced to remove a "hedge", a plethora of non hedge sugar palms would not be any better for the view from Happi's lanai.

[Barefoot]

Even a large, pie shaped lot does not insure a 180 view as each house has to be x feet from the street, in line with the neighbors, and you never know how far the neighbor's pool and landscaping will reach.

My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

Happinow has a pie shaped lot on a cul de sac. Unfortunately for her, the best, unobstructed view does not align with the placement of the house. The view looking straight out the lanai/pool crosses not one but two adjacent lots. She needs to look out the Lanai to the right to see an unobstructed view, which as she said is limited because the lot is lower than the course, especially in that direction. Saw the orange line on the other property, and yes she is going to loose the best view. Even saw the guy with his two dogs walking them on the street chatting with some neighbors.

As I see it, Happi is going to have a tough time convincing this fellow to be a "good"(for her) neighbor because he isn't even the closest neighbor that could obstruct the view, and he lives in the next cul de sac. Not like they will be bumping into each other every day picking up the morning paper.

Happi paid a lot of money for the lot and the house and it's a shame that she thought she was getting a great view.

I also live on a golf course. I paid $16,000 more than Happi did for her lot but got a much better view (championship course green, big oaks, eastern exposure, no cart path and large water hazard). We walked our street for weeks, if not months, knowing the lots would be released soon, trying to determine which lot was "the best". Every night my wife would drag me down there to walk each prospective lot to see which view was unobstructed. Which lot would accommodate the model we chose. Which lot would fit a golf cart garage. Which lot would have room for a pool. Also used the Sumter county plats, which were available even before the lots were released, if you knew where to go to get them, to determine dimensions, easements, drainage and utility box placements. The day the lots were released, we got our first choice of five potential lots. My point is, sometimes you luck into a great view but due diligence insures it.

I hope Happi can realize that this guy is entitled to do what he intends, as I see it. She is on the next block over, even though their properties touch, with another property in between. He also paid a lot of money for his lot and view as well. If for some reason he were forced to remove a "hedge", a plethora of non hedge sugar palms would not be any better for the view from Happi's lanai.

It's very interesting to hear an unbiased report of the situation. Thanks for taking the time to update us.

[shcisamax]

Well said Gustavo. This lot business can be so very tricky and you really have to be on top of the far reaching possibilities when picking your "dream". On an undeveloped landscape, most of us, regardless of how much checking it out we do, don't see the possible after buildout pitfalls. Happinow's lot view is a perfect example. Of course it is a disappointment. But one simply cannot expect a neighbor, no matter how rude or inconsiderate or disliked (an entirely different matter but one that exacerbates the problem) to support someone else's "dream" at their own expense.

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=gustavo;522041]My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

It that Springdale street or Springdale Village??

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=gustavo;522041]My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

It that Springdale street or Springdale Village??

I think he meant Sanibel

[Bogie Shooter]

[quote=Bogie Shooter;522086]

I think he meant Sanibel

It would have been a long trip via Springdale.:wave:

[graciegirl]

Even a large, pie shaped lot does not insure a 180 view as each house has to be x feet from the street, in line with the neighbors, and you never know how far the neighbor's pool and landscaping will reach.

My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

Happinow has a pie shaped lot on a cul de sac. Unfortunately for her, the best, unobstructed view does not align with the placement of the house. The view looking straight out the lanai/pool crosses not one but two adjacent lots. She needs to look out the Lanai to the right to see an unobstructed view, which as she said is limited because the lot is lower than the course, especially in that direction. Saw the orange line on the other property, and yes she is going to loose the best view. Even saw the guy with his two dogs walking them on the street chatting with some neighbors.

As I see it, Happi is going to have a tough time convincing this fellow to be a "good"(for her) neighbor because he isn't even the closest neighbor that could obstruct the view, and he lives in the next cul de sac. Not like they will be bumping into each other every day picking up the morning paper.

Happi paid a lot of money for the lot and the house and it's a shame that she thought she was getting a great view.

I also live on a golf course. I paid $16,000 more than Happi did for her lot but got a much better view (championship course green, big oaks, eastern exposure, no cart path and large water hazard). We walked our street for weeks, if not months, knowing the lots would be released soon, trying to determine which lot was "the best". Every night my wife would drag me down there to walk each prospective lot to see which view was unobstructed. Which lot would accommodate the model we chose. Which lot would fit a golf cart garage. Which lot would have room for a pool. Also used the Sumter county plats, which were available even before the lots were released, if you knew where to go to get them, to determine dimensions, easements, drainage and utility box placements. The day the lots were released, we got our first choice of five potential lots. My point is, sometimes you luck into a great view but due diligence insures it.

I hope Happi can realize that this guy is entitled to do what he intends, as I see it. She is on the next block over, even though their properties touch, with another property in between. He also paid a lot of money for his lot and view as well. If for some reason he were forced to remove a "hedge", a plethora of non hedge sugar palms would not be any better for the view from Happi's lanai.

I think you meant Sanibel, not Springdale.

Your post is another argument to rent for awhile to see just what lot you want, as view lots will be sold in hours when released. Even if you do your due diligence and think you have an unobstructed view, you may end up wrong and disappointed. That is the reason to take some deep breaths and wait to see. Most times the planting won't be as bad as you think. It is hard to tell by orange lines just what will be the final outcome. As I said before, least said, soonest mended. But that is a perspective from a 72 year old, which differs from a 52 year old a little.

If in the end, if nothing has changed, or nothing could be changed, and the homeowner on the culdesac behind was within his rights, it would have been better to wait and see and keep the peace.

[birdawg]

Sad to see someone use this forum to bash unsuspecting neighbors, because they dont like what someone is doing with their property. Can we all imagine how you would feel if someone talked about you on this public forum the way this guy has been.

[paulandjean]

Sad to see someone use this forum to bash unsuspecting neighbors, because they dont like what someone is doing with their property. Can we all imagine how you would feel if someone talked about you on this public forum the way this guy has been.

Here-Here. Yes there is a lot of that on this site.I have been told all my life what a caring person I am,and yet sometimes people on this site will bash you for your thoughts.Like the red Corvette line, Must not like General Motors.

[gustavo]

Gracie, yes you are quite correct, I meant Sanibel not Springdale.

[skyc6]

Correct, Shcisamax!
My view is not my neighbors responsibility!

[skyc6]

What guy are you referring to that did the bashing?

The guy that got bashed was the neighbor of Happinow, and Happinow is a woman.
This whole thread is pretty sad for that whole neighborhood, IMHO.

[birdawg]

What guy are you referring to that did the bashing?

The guy that got bashed was the neighbor of Happinow, and Happinow is a woman.
This whole thread is pretty sad for that whole neighborhood, IMHO.

The guy was the bashed not the bashie

[skyc6]

Reread and now understand which "he" you meant. Sorry! :)

Gustavo--great research and great post!

[graciegirl]

Happinow should consider selling her house and maybe moving closer to Gracie so that she could check with Gracie before making any decisions.

Could you explain what you meant? I don't quite understand.

And welcome to the forum. Tell us a little about yourself. Are you new to The Villages or just to the forum?

[duffysmom]

Happinow should consider selling her house and maybe moving closer to Gracie so that she could check with Gracie before making any decisions.

Whoa mickhugs, your first post is a shot at Gracie. How about coming out from behind the hedges and tell us about yourself.:wave:

[shcisamax]

Gee ...funny ...I took that post as a compliment to Gracie that she always has the right outlook on things. Amazing how we all see things differently. That is why there is so much difficulty with these darn forums. Without the body language and intonation, it is difficult to know when someone is sincere or sarcastic or taking a swipe or just being factual.

[Barefoot]

Happinow should consider selling her house and maybe moving closer to Gracie so that she could check with Gracie before making any decisions.

I see you've been a member since 2008, and this is your first post. Welcome to posting. I think you're right, we can all benefit from GG's wisdom. However Happinow just built, so I'm sure she doesn't want to sell up and move quite yet. Although the "average" Villager does move three times, reportedly.

I think we're all hoping this situation will be resolved amicably, the shrubs will be maintained at four feet, and peace will prevail.

[skyguy79]

Gee ...funny ...I took that post as a compliment to Gracie that she always has the right outlook on things. Amazing how we all see things differently. That is why there is so much difficulty with these darn forums. Without the body language and intonation, it is difficult to know when someone is sincere or sarcastic or taking a swipe or just being factual.I don't believe there was any ill intention or compliment purposely intent in the post. I believe think it was just an off the wall comment to inject a little humor and was not meant to be offensive. Just my opinion!

Mickhugs, welcome on the occurrence of your first post on TOTV and don't wait another 3 years plus for your next one!

[Patty55]

Gee ...funny ...I took that post as a compliment to Gracie that she always has the right outlook on things. Amazing how we all see things differently. That is why there is so much difficulty with these darn forums. Without the body language and intonation, it is difficult to know when someone is sincere or sarcastic or taking a swipe or just being factual.

ITA, I took it as a compliment to Gracie and a dig at Happi. IMO GG always gives sane advice

I also think that if this BS is going to make Happi mental, she should think about moving.

[jimbo2012]

I also think that if this BS is going to make Happi mental, she should think about moving.

Wow, you're a bit harsh--easy to say if it's not your home that you just put your $$$, heart and sole into setting up.

[Patty55]

Wow, you're a bit harsh--easy to say if it's not your home that you just put your $$$, heart and sole into setting up.

Harsh? I'm thinking more like "realistic" based on my own experience. I don't put my heart and soul into "things" anymore, been to way too many estate sales to do that one.

Grant it, some people thrive on aggravation, I'm not one of them. I'm also not a control freak, I think there is only one thing you can control, your own attitude, not your neighbor, not even fate.

In the past ten or so years I have had my home totally destroyed by lightning (great view still), I lost 5 house pets (4 burned alive in the fire), 3 horses, my 56 year-old sister died last Christmas after spending 5 years in a nursing home from a stroke induced coma. Let's put the shrubs in perspective.

You know what I've learned from all this-Enjoy today, you don't know what tomorrow will bring or what it will take away.

Ever see a moving van folowing a hearse?

[birdawg]

Good advice

[skyc6]

Patty
I am sorry for your loss and the statement about "putting the shrubs in perspective" is certainly one we can all be reminded of. As I said previously, 90% of the world's population could not even imagine all that we have in our country, and certainly not here at TV. Have a good day, all!

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Harsh? I'm thinking more like "realistic" based on my own experience. I don't put my heart and soul into "things" anymore, been to way too many estate sales to do that one.

Grant it, some people thrive on aggravation, I'm not one of them. I'm also not a control freak, I think there is only one thing you can control, your own attitude, not your neighbor, not even fate.

In the past ten or so years I have had my home totally destroyed by lightning (great view still), I lost 5 house pets (4 burned alive in the fire), 3 horses, my 56 year-old sister died last Christmas after spending 5 years in a nursing home from a stroke induced coma. Let's put the shrubs in perspective.

You know what I've learned from all this-Enjoy today, you don't know what tomorrow will bring or what it will take away.

Ever see a moving van folowing a hearse?

100% Correct! Life is too short and can be taken away in an instant. Do we really want to waste our last days worried about what the neighbor wants to do? All this over shrubs? That's why there are restrictions and rules, to keep all on an even playing field. If rules are broken, corrections are made. Wake up in the morning, be thankful for another day of life in a community where your dreams can come true. Enjoy every moment of the day....and let your neighbors do the same. Enjoy your neighbors!

[Patty55]

Truth be told, I wouldn't mind hanging out with the spitting vette guy. He sounds like he could be fun.

:wave:Hey Spitting Vette guy, if you're reading here can I bring my dog over and have a beer?

[CarolSells]

Harsh? I'm thinking more like "realistic" based on my own experience. I don't put my heart and soul into "things" anymore, been to way too many estate sales to do that one.

Grant it, some people thrive on aggravation, I'm not one of them. I'm also not a control freak, I think there is only one thing you can control, your own attitude, not your neighbor, not even fate.

In the past ten or so years I have had my home totally destroyed by lightning (great view still), I lost 5 house pets (4 burned alive in the fire), 3 horses, my 56 year-old sister died last Christmas after spending 5 years in a nursing home from a stroke induced coma. Let's put the shrubs in perspective.

You know what I've learned from all this-Enjoy today, you don't know what tomorrow will bring or what it will take away.

Ever see a moving van folowing a hearse?

Patty,

First, I'm sorry to hear of your losses. It must have been very difficult to lose your sister.

But THANK YOU for having the guts to say it like it is in this thread! Drama is as drama does!

Kudos to you!

:coolsmiley:

[birdawg]

Truth be told, I wouldn't mind hanging out with the spitting vette guy. He sounds like he could be fun.

:wave:Hey Spitting Vette guy, if you're reading here can I bring my dog over and have a beer?

Once we get are house sold breakout to cold ones and 2 dog bones

[Bogie Shooter]

The tide seems to be turning................

[Patty55]

Once we get are house sold breakout to cold ones and 2 dog bones

Sounds like a plan, can we wear those army helmets that have branches on top and sit on the property line?:girlneener:

[collie1228]

Truth be told, I wouldn't mind hanging out with the spitting vette guy. He sounds like he could be fun.

:wave:Hey Spitting Vette guy, if you're reading here can I bring my dog over and have a beer?

I just wrote a short comment about how "not nice" that post was, but I'll just delete it and say this is getting personal and probably ought to be closed by the admin. Happinow, in my 62 years I've only had one jerk as a neighbor, and despite my dedication to ignoring his ignorant behavior, I still fumed about him. So I understand your feelings and hope it gets resolved amicably.

[Barefoot]

100% Correct! Life is too short and can be taken away in an instant. Do we really want to waste our last days worried about what the neighbor wants to do? All this over shrubs? That's why there are restrictions and rules, to keep all on an even playing field. If rules are broken, corrections are made. Wake up in the morning, be thankful for another day of life in a community where your dreams can come true. Enjoy every moment of the day....and let your neighbors do the same. Enjoy your neighbors!

Good attitude, Kevin & Josie. As the Dalai Lama has said ....."Happiness is determined more by the state of one's mind than by one's external conditions, circumstances or events."

[hulababy]

sorry happi to hear your having problems. When we moved in we had a beautiful view from our hot tub and lost it to neighbor planting a fruit tree. also we had beautiful view out our kitchen window and neighbor planted bottle brush. Both views gone. Don't think there is much you can do. that is a DISADVANTAGE of the villages and our homes being so CLOSE. Most people don't think but when you pick out property imagine your neighbor and what they may do. Views can be lost very easily with landscaping. we have two homes (designers) near us on golf course. (we're not on one) both neighbors ended up fighting because one started the idea. Plants that blocked the others views. It just escalated until one neighbor built a extension just to try to keep his view and the other built a larger extension to try to keep his view. I hope it works out for you. Keep us posted.

[paulandjean]

This sounds like something from the past....Like High School.Students "Kissing UP to the popular Students.

[gomoho]

I'm beginning to believe I was lucky to not be able to afford "a view" that I would have to fight to protect.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Truth be told, I wouldn't mind hanging out with the spitting vette guy. He sounds like he could be fun.

:wave:Hey Spitting Vette guy, if you're reading here can I bring my dog over and have a beer?

:a20::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jdsl1998]

It sounds like...
1. the original poster was upset and needed advice.
2. they got more than they bargained for.
3. they need to "turn the other cheek" as in "look the other way"
4. let the laws take care of anything that can be changed.
5. get back to loving The Villages lifestyle.
6. we are not going to love it all....just most of it.

[jackz]

The bear was last sighted in the backyard of "Unhappy Now's" neighbor in his new bushes.

Sources report that he arrived in a Red Corvette.
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[graciegirl]

I hope that the planting won't be as obstructive as Happinow feared she will let us know how it looks.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

The bear was last sighted in the backyard of "Unhappy Now's" neighbor in his new bushes.

Sources report that he arrived in a Red Corvette.
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...He was spotted with a roll of Charmin Tissues...:1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

...He was spotted with a roll of Charmin Tissues...:1rotfl:

um...isn't that the pope?

[Patty55]

The bear was last sighted in the backyard of "Unhappy Now's" neighbor in his new bushes.

Sources report that he arrived in a Red Corvette.
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Man, some people have all the luck. I couldn't afford the bear option, but I did see a possum in my neighbors bush.

[Bettiboop]

..... a possum in my neighbors bush.


I think they may have prescription meds to treat that nowadays.....jus sayin' :D:evil6::1rotfl:

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

um...isn't that the pope?

You are a wealth of knowledge, I learned something new today that I did not know!....unsure if the rolls were gold & white.

[CarolSells]

I think they may have prescription meds to treat that nowadays.....jus sayin' :D:evil6::1rotfl:


Bears, snakes, flies, coyotes, fire ants, gutter-smashing creatures, and now possums on antipsychotic drugs! Oh, no!

:cryin2:

[ncr2482]

What's the latest on this issue????

[asianthree]

What's the latest on this issue????

yes we are all hoping your view is safe

[skyc6]

I, for one, hope this issue is burried.

[Barefoot]

Even a large, pie shaped lot does not insure a 180 view as each house has to be x feet from the street, in line with the neighbors, and you never know how far the neighbor's pool and landscaping will reach.

My wife's been telling me about this thread for the last few days, so we decided to see what the real story was. Took a ride down to Springdale.

Happinow has a pie shaped lot on a cul de sac. Unfortunately for her, the best, unobstructed view does not align with the placement of the house. The view looking straight out the lanai/pool crosses not one but two adjacent lots. She needs to look out the Lanai to the right to see an unobstructed view, which as she said is limited because the lot is lower than the course, especially in that direction. Saw the orange line on the other property, and yes she is going to loose the best view. Even saw the guy with his two dogs walking them on the street chatting with some neighbors.

As I see it, Happi is going to have a tough time convincing this fellow to be a "good"(for her) neighbor because he isn't even the closest neighbor that could obstruct the view, and he lives in the next cul de sac. Not like they will be bumping into each other every day picking up the morning paper.

Happi paid a lot of money for the lot and the house and it's a shame that she thought she was getting a great view.

I also live on a golf course. I paid $16,000 more than Happi did for her lot but got a much better view (championship course green, big oaks, eastern exposure, no cart path and large water hazard). We walked our street for weeks, if not months, knowing the lots would be released soon, trying to determine which lot was "the best". Every night my wife would drag me down there to walk each prospective lot to see which view was unobstructed. Which lot would accommodate the model we chose. Which lot would fit a golf cart garage. Which lot would have room for a pool. Also used the Sumter county plats, which were available even before the lots were released, if you knew where to go to get them, to determine dimensions, easements, drainage and utility box placements. The day the lots were released, we got our first choice of five potential lots. My point is, sometimes you luck into a great view but due diligence insures it.

I hope Happi can realize that this guy is entitled to do what he intends, as I see it. She is on the next block over, even though their properties touch, with another property in between. He also paid a lot of money for his lot and view as well. If for some reason he were forced to remove a "hedge", a plethora of non hedge sugar palms would not be any better for the view from Happi's lanai.

I don't think Happinow has posted since Gustavo made his comments. I was hoping to hear from her because I just don't understand Gustavo's description. Perhaps he was looking at the wrong house? I think Happinow backs on a golf course. I don't understand how you can back on someone who lives in the next cul de sac? :confused:

Hopefully Happi has been able to resolve the issue and is busy playing golf. It's always interesting to hear about these situations and how they're resolved .. that is what makes TOTV such a great website.

[gomoho]

I agree - don't leave us hanging. Very, very cuious how things are working out.

[Happinow]

Nothing to report.......nothing going on.

[missypie]

We are with you!!!!

[asianthree]

maybe the plans were given a not going to happen

[graciegirl]

maybe the plans were given a not going to happen

Maybe the orange marks were for invisible fencing for dogs.

[Bogie Shooter]

Maybe Gustavo was right.

[Sanibel7]

So sorry that you have inconsiderate neighbors. Of all of what you are going through I would really hate listening to the barking of dogs. Peace and quite is what we need and people abuse that all the time. I hope that you get your view and quite!!!!

[graciegirl]

There are probably almost as many dogs as folks here.

I like some dogs better than some folks.

(We don't own a dog)

[Patty55]

Okay, I have a few quick questions for the people with dog "issues"....

When you went for your "LSV" did you not see dogs? Did you not see the dogs in the town squares? Did you happen to notice that some of them were wearing dresses and eating in the restaurants? Did you see people riding with the dogs in their golfcarts? How about some of them actually have the dog's name on the golfcart-did you notice that?

Now, let's get to the houses, did you see how many houses have the dog's name on the light post?

Did you know the builder is okay with dogs? Dogs are welcome in the sales office, Southern Lifestyles and any business owned by TV. (IMO, they'd be okay with gorillas if you spend enough-LOL)

So, after noticing all this what made you think this would be the place for you? DUH, hate to break it to you, but if you have "issues" with dogs, you may have a "broken picker".

Trust me, you'll all have "quite" soon enough.

[Cynbod]

I've been very lucky. We have a villa wall behind us and the people on the villa side have dogs. I hear them bark once in a while but it is attended to quickly. I have spolen to these people over the wall and they seem great. Happinow has concerns about the dogs and her view. I hope it works out to her satisfaction.

[Bogie Shooter]

I've been very lucky. We have a villa wall behind us and the people on the villa side have dogs. I hear them bark once in a while but it is attended to quickly. I have spolen to these people over the wall and they seem great. Happinow has concerns about the dogs and her view. I hope it works out to her satisfaction.

Happinow stated earlier that dogs was not her issue. You gotta read all 185 posts.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Okay, I have a few quick questions for the people with dog "issues"....

When you went for your "LSV" did you not see dogs? Did you not see the dogs in the town squares? Did you happen to notice that some of them were wearing dresses and eating in the restaurants? Did you see people riding with the dogs in their golfcarts? How about some of them actually have the dog's name on the golfcart-did you notice that?

Now, let's get to the houses, did you see how many houses have the dog's name on the light post?

Did you know the builder is okay with dogs? Dogs are welcome in the sales office, Southern Lifestyles and any business owned by TV. (IMO, they'd be okay with gorillas if you spend enough-LOL)

So, after noticing all this what made you think this would be the place for you? DUH, hate to break it to you, but if you have "issues" with dogs, you may have a "broken picker".

Trust me, you'll all have "quite" soon enough.

RUFF RUFF RUFF.... :doggie: ..:agree:

[skyc6]

Apparently the OP lives on the left side curve of a cul de sac. The landscaping neighbor lives on the right side curve of the next cul de sac over. (The next street) Therefore, there backyards converge. She doesn't seem to have a straight golf course view.

[shcisamax]

Thank you sky for explaining it simply. Makes sense.

[Barefoot]

Okay, I have a few quick questions for the people with dog "issues"....

When you went for your "LSV" did you not see dogs? Did you not see the dogs in the town squares? Did you happen to notice that some of them were wearing dresses and eating in the restaurants? Did you see people riding with the dogs in their golfcarts? How about some of them actually have the dog's name on the golfcart-did you notice that?

Now, let's get to the houses, did you see how many houses have the dog's name on the light post?

Did you know the builder is okay with dogs? Dogs are welcome in the sales office, Southern Lifestyles and any business owned by TV. (IMO, they'd be okay with gorillas if you spend enough-LOL)

So, after noticing all this what made you think this would be the place for you? DUH, hate to break it to you, but if you have "issues" with dogs, you may have a "broken picker".

Trust me, you'll all have "quite" soon enough.

I read your post to my dogs and they are still laughing. :doggie::doggie:

[gustavo]

Apparently the OP lives on the left side curve of a cul de sac. The landscaping neighbor lives on the right side curve of the next cul de sac over. (The next street) Therefore, there backyards converge. She doesn't seem to have a straight golf course view.

The description above is correct. The straight out, unobstructed view looks at the raised tee boxes. A view looking down the fairway looks through the two neighbors yards.

[Barefoot]

The description above is correct. The straight out, unobstructed view looks at the raised tee boxes. A view looking down the fairway looks through the two neighbors yards.

Isn't that called a "peek-a-boo" view? Commonly known as "now you have it, now you don't".

[gemorc]

Okay, I have a few quick questions for the people with dog "issues"....

When you went for your "LSV" did you not see dogs? Did you not see the dogs in the town squares? Did you happen to notice that some of them were wearing dresses and eating in the restaurants? Did you see people riding with the dogs in their golfcarts? How about some of them actually have the dog's name on the golfcart-did you notice that?

Now, let's get to the houses, did you see how many houses have the dog's name on the light post?

Did you know the builder is okay with dogs? Dogs are welcome in the sales office, Southern Lifestyles and any business owned by TV. (IMO, they'd be okay with gorillas if you spend enough-LOL)
So, after noticing all this what made you think this would be the place for you? DUH, hate to break it to you, but if you have "issues" with dogs, you may have a "broken picker".

Trust me, you'll all have "quite" soon enough.

I suffer from Cynophobia, (fear of dogs). This is a malady that I have suffered from my entire life. With all the money I have spent on treatment, I could afford one of those expensive golf course lots. I sometimes feel trapped in my own home. I don't really feel relaxed at either of the squares. Yes, I noticed all the dogs during our "LSV". This is my problem, I deal with it daily. I DO have a dog problem. Please do not expect me to enjoy yours ,or anyone's dog.

[Patty55]

I suffer from Cynophobia, (fear of dogs). This is a malady that I have suffered from my entire life. With all the money I have spent on treatment, I could afford one of those expensive golf course lots. I sometimes feel trapped in my own home. I don't really feel relaxed at either of the squares. Yes, I noticed all the dogs during our "LSV". This is my problem, I deal with it daily. I DO have a dog problem. Please do not expect me to enjoy yours ,or anyone's dog.

My post was not directed at someone in your situation, it was directed at the people who are IMO control freaks taking the "easy shot" and (again IMO) sadists who zap the neighbors dog while it's in its own yard.

I would never suggest that you or anyone are expected to enjoy my dog, nor would I suggest you give PUMP-KIN a try because she is different. Clearly, you have tried to rid yourself of this phobia and have learned to respectfully deal with it.

You're probably better off without the expensive golf course view. I honestly have always gotten more from therapy and meds than golf. But hey, that's just me.

[graciegirl]

Please tell us how the landscaping looks.

[Bogie Shooter]

Please tell us how the landscaping looks.

Pictures too!

[swimdawg]

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The most terrifying words in the English language are:

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

Quote: Ronald Reagan



This thread is unbelievable. :22yikes:
But....I do like this quote from Ronnie R.
Swimdawg Post Award.

[justjim]

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Post #43
The most terrifying words in the English language are:

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

Quote: Ronald Reagan



This thread is unbelievable. :22yikes:
But....I do like this quote from Ronnie R.
Swimdawg Post Award.:coolsmiley: Swimdawg: Several moons ago I worked for the government and use to tell people I was working with that phrase and for some reason, they seemed to like it? Maybe it was because, being the kind of person I am, I actually meant it! :icon_wink:

Sorry I missed most of this thread while we were in the Ozarks. Now there were some real views! Happinow: I hope you get things resolved soon. "Most people are as happy as they make up their minds to be." Abraham Lincoln Sometimes the so called government can be of help.

[CFrance]

Up here at Lake Michigan, we have a saying: if you buy a house with a view, you better OWN the view...

[graciegirl]

Up here at Lake Michigan, we have a saying: if you buy a house with a view, you better OWN the view...

We say that in Ohio too. I think we said it first. ;)

Happinow, someone told me the folks that are out your back door put in their landscaping. What do you think?

Is it better than you feared?

[shcisamax]

Oh, ready? We have nothing to fear but fear itself. I bet that landscaping isn't nearly as bad as it was feared. And, if so, Happinow has built such a beautiful home along with her magnificent pool, spa, and entertainment lanai, they will slowly adjust to what appears to be a nuisance now but is simply someone building their dream as well.

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;527276]We say that in Ohio too. I think we said it first. ;)

No! We said it first! You have the best corn, remember?

[Pturner]

Up here at Lake Michigan, we have a saying: if you buy a house with a view, you better OWN the view...

We say that in Ohio too. I think we said it first. ;)


[QUOTE=graciegirl;527276]We say that in Ohio too. I think we said it first. ;)

No! We said it first! You have the best corn, remember?

Let me settle this once and for all. We said it first on a rainy night in Georgia. Plus, we have the best peaches. ;)

Anyway, whoever said it first, it's as true as the sky is blue.

Nonetheless, I hope Happinow's environs turned out fine. Did they, Happinow?

[CFrance]

[quote=CFrance;527319]

Let me settle this once and for all. We said it first on a rainy night in Georgia. Plus, we have the best peaches. ;)

Anyway, whoever said it first, it's as true as the sky is blue.

Nonetheless, I hope Happinow's environs turned out fine. Did they, Happinow?

Huh. We have peaches too, here in MI. As for comparing them to GA peaches, I won't even go there.

[Barefoot]

Nonetheless, I hope Happinow's environs turned out fine. Did they, Happinow?

Happinow's green light is on, so she is online now. I'm hoping we get an update.

[graciegirl]

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[jane032657]

I thought she wrote in an earlier post that nothing had happened yet, which I took to mean that nothing has yet been planted? Just wondering. See post 177

[shcisamax]

And least said, soonest mend? Wow Gracie. Deep. Or how about: Tall fences make good neighbors? :)

[Barefoot]

Happinow, someone told me the folks that are out your back door put in their landscaping. What do you think? Is it better than you feared?

[quote=CFrance;527319]
Nonetheless, I hope Happinow's environs turned out fine. Did they, Happinow?

Jane ... After Happ's post # 177 saying that nothing had happened, Gracie posted and said she thought the neighbour's landscaping was in. Just wondering how it looks. After 208 posts on this topic, I'm thinking that folks would like to hear what happened.

[jimbo2012]

My guess is enough pressure came to get the guy to submit landscape permits filed and just waiting for approval.

If Happynow was happy I think something would have been posted.

[Barefoot]

My guess is enough pressure came to get the guy to submit landscape permits filed and just waiting for approval.


Happinow, someone told me the folks that are out your back door put in their landscaping. What do you think? Is it better than you feared?

Jimbo, GracieGirl previously posted that her sources told her the landscaping was in. And GG keeps her finger on the pulse of TV. With 18,000 views, this topic is obviously one of interest. That is the only reason I was hoping for an update.

[Happinow]

I was hesitant to post anymore regarding my landscaping disappointments because I really felt the thread had gotten out of hand. I didn't mean to cause such a stir. I was simply saying that I was very disappointed in what was happening on the lot adjoining my property. I've certainly learned a lot with this event. Some of you missed my point completely and others understand my concerns. My neighbors initial plan was to totally enclose his lot with shrubs to make a dog park for his dog so that he could let his dog out on his property without a leash, thus creating a barrier. These shrubs would run the entire length of my golf course view and then some. I read that no barriers of any kind would be permitted in TV, so I expected his plan to be shut down. I believe his landscaper told him that he was unable to put in shrubs along the property lines if he totally enclosed his lot. He then changed his plans and left about a 10-15 foot space open so that his property was not totally enclosed, thus eliminating the term "barrier". This alteration allowed his permit to be granted. I learned that dogs do not have to be on a leash if they are on your property. I thought they did if they were outside of the home. I also learned that you can do what ever you want with your property....it's your property. I am however, greatly disappointed that my neighbors would not consider what they are doing to our view as well as our neighbors. The rest of us were kind enough to consult with each other before we landscaped to be sure we could all see the course. It was the neighborly thing to do. He could easily apply landscaping without hindering our view at all and it seems selfish to me that he wouldn't consider the views of others who have paid a premium for their lot as well. On the bright side, We love our home and our lot (still). Life goes on and we will make the best of it. Perhaps the shrubs will be a blessing after all.

[Barefoot]

I was hesitant to post anymore regarding my landscaping disappointments because I really felt the thread had gotten out of hand. I didn't mean to cause such a stir. I was simply saying that I was very disappointed in what was happening on the lot adjoining my property. I've certainly learned a lot with this event. Some of you missed my point completely and others understand my concerns. My neighbors initial plan was to totally enclose his lot with shrubs to make a dog park for his dog so that he could let his dog out on his property without a leash, thus creating a barrier. These shrubs would run the entire length of my golf course view and then some. I read that no barriers of any kind would be permitted in TV, so I expected his plan to be shut down. I believe his landscaper told him that he was unable to put in shrubs along the property lines if he totally enclosed his lot. He then changed his plans and left about a 10-15 foot space open so that his property was not totally enclosed, thus eliminating the term "barrier". This alteration allowed his permit to be granted. I learned that dogs do not have to be on a leash if they are on your property. I thought they did if they were outside of the home. I also learned that you can do what ever you want with your property....it's your property. I am however, greatly disappointed that my neighbors would not consider what they are doing to our view as well as our neighbors. The rest of us were kind enough to consult with each other before we landscaped to be sure we could all see the course. It was the neighborly thing to do. He could easily apply landscaping without hindering our view at all and it seems selfish to me that he wouldn't consider the views of others who have paid a premium for their lot as well. On the bright side, We love our home and our lot (still). Life goes on and we will make the best of it. Perhaps the shrubs will be a blessing after all.

Thanks for the update. I'm glad to hear that you can live with the landscaping and still enjoy your home and your lot.

[jimbo2012]

Great, so the mayor (Gracie) was correct, boy howdy she knows everything :ohdear:

[Barefoot]

Great, so the mayor (Gracie) was correct, boy howdy she know everything:ohdear:

GG is usually an accurate source of information. You can take her to the bank. Or something like that.

[Happinow]

Great, so the mayor (Gracie) was correct, boy howdy she knows everything :ohdear:

Not everything.....

[Joaniesmom]

I think your comment about the shrubs being a blessing after all is right on. The less you have to see of this guy and his Bumpus Hounds, the better.

[philnpat]

Not everything.....

Great, so the mayor (Gracie) was correct, boy howdy she knows everything :ohdear:

If Gracie gave me a tip on a horse, I'd bet on it!

[shcisamax]

A theoretical: If you wanted to landscape or perhaps put in a large enclosure with your huge dream lanaii, pool, and spa and it was going to cut in the line of view of your neighbor(s) or somewhat impact their property, would you consult them before doing so and if it was not in their best interest, would you agree not to put in the enclosure as planned or give up that lot and find another that would be less offending to one or another of your neighbors? Or would you feel it is your property and this was what you planned for your lifestyle? It is an interesting dilemma because presumably we all want to have good relations with our neighbors but just how far does one go to accommodate them? In this case, however, it appears the neighbor didn't give a hoot about pacifying and managed to comply with ordinance but not to the remedy of Happinow's view. When those shrubs are grown, albeit it will affect the view at present, perhaps another one will be there that is just as nice but in a different way. Maybe more privacy?

[Happinow]

Jimbo, GracieGirl previously posted that her sources told her the landscaping was in. And GG keeps her finger on the pulse of TV. With 18,000 views, this topic is obviously one of interest. That is the only reason I was hoping for an update.


The landscaping hasn't even begun so GG has been misinformed.

[jimbo2012]

Haaaaa, forget about a tip on horse then:1rotfl:

[Mudder]

I agree with GG, when you're 72 you are happy that you can get up and go to the window and see the bushes !
Get a grip, people, this thread has lasted way to long.

[skyc6]

The landscaping hasn't even begun so GG has been misinformed.

Gracie was misinformed by "someone," but, of course, she very wisely came to the OP for comfirmation of this, so, I say, she still retains her Boy Howdy title!

[gomoho]

Dear Happinow - it was an interesting situation and we all readily gave our opinions - whether you wanted them or not. So things seem to be somewhat resolved and hopefully you will enjoy whatever comes of it. Now we'll move on to the next neighbor's dilemna and look forward to those posts as well. Enjoyed visiting with you on TOTV.

[graciegirl]

We say that in Ohio too. I think we said it first. ;)

Happinow, someone told me the folks that are out your back door put in their landscaping. What do you think?

Is it better than you feared?


I am quoting myself.

Obviously that "someone" was wrong.

I still say. Least said, soonest mended.
All's well that ends well.
and Much ado about nothing.

[Happinow]

Thank you all for your input and opinions on this thread. I agree, it has lasted way too long. Let's put it to pasture and move on to a lighter topic! Life is too short....:icon_wink::)

[Barefoot]

I still say. Least said, soonest mended.
All's well that ends well.
and Much ado about nothing.

I think you also said Tempest in a Teapot :icon_wink: maybe I dreamed that one.

Oh sorry, I thought I was on the "Old Sayings" thread.

[bxmt54]

Is this ever going to end?????

[skyc6]

Yes, it is. Thanks goodness! :)

[zcaveman]

When all is over I would like to see some before and after pictures of Happinow's view. Just to see what she and and now does not have.

It might help future buyers with their decision on where to buy.

Z

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

I was hesitant to post anymore regarding my landscaping disappointments because I really felt the thread had gotten out of hand. I didn't mean to cause such a stir. I was simply saying that I was very disappointed in what was happening on the lot adjoining my property. I've certainly learned a lot with this event. Some of you missed my point completely and others understand my concerns. My neighbors initial plan was to totally enclose his lot with shrubs to make a dog park for his dog so that he could let his dog out on his property without a leash, thus creating a barrier. These shrubs would run the entire length of my golf course view and then some. I read that no barriers of any kind would be permitted in TV, so I expected his plan to be shut down. I believe his landscaper told him that he was unable to put in shrubs along the property lines if he totally enclosed his lot. He then changed his plans and left about a 10-15 foot space open so that his property was not totally enclosed, thus eliminating the term "barrier". This alteration allowed his permit to be granted. I learned that dogs do not have to be on a leash if they are on your property. I thought they did if they were outside of the home. I also learned that you can do what ever you want with your property....it's your property. I am however, greatly disappointed that my neighbors would not consider what they are doing to our view as well as our neighbors. The rest of us were kind enough to consult with each other before we landscaped to be sure we could all see the course. It was the neighborly thing to do. He could easily apply landscaping without hindering our view at all and it seems selfish to me that he wouldn't consider the views of others who have paid a premium for their lot as well. On the bright side, We love our home and our lot (still). Life goes on and we will make the best of it. Perhaps the shrubs will be a blessing after all.

I was so glad to hear that the owner who paid for their property is allowed to use their property for what they feel fit, as long as it is within deed restriction guidelines. It's great to know that a dog owner is allowed to let his dog run loose on the property that he paid for, as long as it is trained to stay on his property. He's living his dream! This all sounds reasonable to me. :doggie:

[swimdawg]

Thank you all for your input and opinions on this thread. I agree, it has lasted way too long. Let's put it to pasture and move on to a lighter topic! Life is too short....:icon_wink::)

Wait a minute.....wait a minute! :confused: 231 posts dating back to July 12. There have been over 21,000 views. You say it is a NIGHTMARE.....and you're not going to tell us how the story ends?

[Barefoot]

I was so glad to hear that the owner who paid for their property is allowed to use their property for what they feel fit, as long as it is within deed restriction guidelines. It's great to know that a dog owner is allowed to let his dog run loose on the property that he paid for, as long as it is trained to stay on his property. He's living his dream! This all sounds reasonable to me. :doggie:


Wait a minute.....wait a minute! 231 posts dating back to July 12. There have been over 21,000 views. You say it is a NIGHTMARE.....and you're not going to tell how us the story ends?

This thread affects us all. Not this particular situation with Happ, but just in general. Does a property owner have the right to use his property as he sees fit as long as it adheres to existing restrictions? I think he does. Does he need to get "permission" from every neighbour (in this case the neighbour was living on a different cul de sac) before he makes changes? If a neighbour builds a birdcage or adds privacy shrubs, does that make him a bad neighbour? In this case, the neighbour may have thought he was being considerate by shielding his neighbours from the view of his dogs.

On our side of the street, which backs on a golf course, some people have small birdcages, some have huge birdcages with pools and summer kitchens, and some people are content with the builder's lanai. Does that make the people with the big birdcages bad people? I've never heard any complaints about views being blocked.

[Patty55]

Wait a minute.....wait a minute! :confused: 231 posts dating back to July 12. There have been over 21,000 views. You say it is a NIGHTMARE.....and you're not going to tell us how the story ends?

Although I haven't read the entire thing (my time is way too valuable), I consider myself qualified to do the recap...

Apparently the spitting Vette (Red Vet) owner has set his shrubs back 10-15 feet to comply with the rules, evidently the OP recently found out that he has the right to do what he wants on his own property including, but not limited to enjoying his dogs, having a barefoot cleaning woman, spitting, driving a red Vette and paying cash for him home.

ALL IS GOOD :thumbup:

A Kumbaya weiner roast is scheduled for tomorrow night :22yikes:

[getdul981]

A Kumbaya weiner roast is scheduled for tomorrow night :22yikes:

When and where?

[Patty55]

When and where?

Don't know, I think my invite was lost in the mail-LOL

[jimbo2012]

In this case, the neighbour may have thought he was being considerate by shielding his neighbours from the view of his dogs.


What!!! how did U come to that conclusion, based on Happi's description (granted one sided) doesn't sound like that word is in his vocabulary or state of mind.

As long as he files for a permit and it's approved he's good to go.

He's fortunate that he's not my neighbor, I would have handled it differently with formal legal notice and other equitable legal means.

[graciegirl]

boy howdy

[Bogie Shooter]

What!!! how did U come to that conclusion, based on Happi's description (granted one sided) doesn't sound like that word is in his vocabulary or state of mind.

As long as he files for a permit and it's approved he's good to go.

He's fortunate that he's not my neighbor, I would have handled it differently with formal legal notice and other equitable legal means.

What does this mean??

[shcisamax]

Wow. This really is the gift that keeps on giving. I thought we were going to let sleeping dogs lie. At least as long as they are on their property and not barking.

[Patty55]

Wow. This really is the gift that keeps on giving. I thought we were going to let sleeping dogs lie. At least as long as they are on their property and not barking.

Or POOPING:thumbup:

[Patty55]

What does this mean??

"He's fortunate that he's not my neighbor, I would have handled it differently with formal legal notice and other equitable legal means."

IMO, this loosely translates to... I'm not a lawyer, but I once saw Judge Judy on the street.


(Standard PattyLand Disclaimer)
FWIW, all posts reflect nothing more than my personal opinion, based on nothing factual, subject to change and God knows, I could be wrong.

[Barefoot]

In this case, the neighbour may have thought he was being considerate by shielding his neighbours from the view of his dogs.


What!!! how did U come to that conclusion, based on Happi's description (granted one sided) doesn't sound like that word is in his vocabulary or state of mind. As long as he files for a permit and it's approved he's good to go. He's fortunate that he's not my neighbor, I would have handled it differently with formal legal notice and other equitable legal means.

It wasn't a conclusion, it was a speculation. If the neighbour is adhering to existing restrictions and has an approved permit, what formal legal notice would you be filing?

[skyc6]

What!!! how did U come to that conclusion, based on Happi's description (granted one sided) doesn't sound like that word is in his vocabulary or state of mind.

As long as he files for a permit and it's approved he's good to go.

He's fortunate that he's not my neighbor, I would have handled it differently with formal legal notice and other equitable legal means.

Well, Jimbo...there are three certainities in life.
1. death
2. taxes
3. being duped by a lawyer.

[jimbo2012]

IMO, this loosely translates to... I'm not a lawyer,

Correct I'm not, but putting one of my sons through law school helps :highfive:

I asked him about this subject when the thread was started, he researched it a bit as a hypothetical, and there are legal remedies and ways to notice the correct parties and agencies in the hope of avoiding a bigger mess.

The goal was to have the neighbor comply with the ARC restrictions and be certain they enforce same.

Having proper notice beforehand should prompt them to do so.

Now if a barrier planted fence was still installed, the person in the black robe can fault the proper party accordingly, especially with evidence of written notice.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_82jYjcjk6wM/S03joGH1dtI/AAAAAAAACEA/T3c1v8Ks0x4/s400/judge_set_boundaries_498915.jpg

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[jane032657]

So many thoughts, opinions and attitudes. I still think everything boils down to communication and respect, not just rights and ownership, it is a package deal. No one "has" to tell their neighbors anythng that they are doing within restrictions and covenants on their own property, but sometimes it is good to share before things are done to help people overcome fear, speculation, wonderment, or to hear any specific concerns that can ruin relationships for decades to come. Does not mean you cannot, should not do what is within your rights on your own land, just means you build trust and friendship and neighborhood goodwill. While not there yet but on our way soon to our new home, we still have our old home. Today I am having a party for all my staff at my home with 60 plus people coming over at 3 pm, a BBQ catering truck coming and setting up a smoker, a handicapped porta potti delivered on the property as one of my staff uses an electric wheelchair for her CP. Rather than upset everyone, even though it is not their business, I sent an email to all my neighbors letting them know the score so they were prepared and understood what was going on. I have a half acre, no one can see anything, but people do see anyway, if you know what I mean. On August 25, we are having an evening party with a live band and about 60-70 people (our last bash but no one knows the real reason why the party is happening including the attendees as we have not announced our move yet!). Aside from inviting some neighbors, everyone in the neighborhood will get an email with details so they again know what is going on and be assured the music will be quiter at the 10 pm town curfew for noise. They will be aware of why the cars are out on our lane, and why they may here music and a crowd. I do not have to tell them, I am within all guidelines. But it brings peace and harmony and people feel respected. When our neighbors built a fence between us after the tall hedge died, we fully consulted on how to remedy the situation and also gave them money to help out. We are all adults. We can do what we want but we live in community. It is not about who can do what, but about how we live in harmony together, reach out to one another in times or distress or emergency, have one another over for visits, care for pets or yard or homes or elderly or whatever when someone is away, and mostly have long term relationships that are at minimum respectful and pleasant for all of our happiness. If we cannot have peace together in our little villages, what does that mean for the world? Well, I guess we see that on the news everyday.

[gerryann]

Jane, I am truly looking forward to being one of your neighbors.

[Bogie Shooter]

Jane, I am truly looking forward to being one of your neighbors.

There may be others that will want a vote.:D

[jane032657]

There may be others that will want a vote.:D

HAHA, funny guy you are. OK, point taken, I have an open attutude, I can take critique! Well when we had our swim spa delivered to our new place in TV, with a HUGE, and I mean HUGE crane, and huge flat deck truck with the 20 foot swimspa on it, and had it lifted up and over our villa, dangling in the air for everyone on 466 and Morse Blvd to see, and placed in the birdcage, the neighbors were notified and everyone had a great time watching. They were prepared, came out with beers in hand, and took part in what was a major neighborhood event. I met everyone around me, it was fun. No one complained and all were in awe watching. I think I am voted in, to date. There could be a recall notice, but heck, our bond is paid and we are there for life... love us or leave us! But know we are there for you if you need us and we hope you have fun at our parties!

[Barefoot]

As long as he files for a permit and it's approved he's good to go. He's fortunate that he's not my neighbor, I would have handled it differently with formal legal notice and other equitable legal means.


If the neighbour is adhering to existing restrictions and has an approved permit, what formal legal notice would you be filing?


The goal was to have the neighbor comply with the ARC restrictions and be certain they enforce same. Having proper notice beforehand should prompt them to do so.

I'm missing something here. Assuming the neighbour has an approval permit from the ARC and is adhering to existing restrictions, you're going to threaten the neighbour and the ARC beforehand, by serving them with "legal proper notice", to ensure compliance?

Boy Howdy.