Your Help Needed to Catch Gate Crashers

[Bogie Shooter]

This is from the districtgov.org site.

The Amenity Authority Committee implemented the Gate Camera Pilot Program and identified two locations for the installation of new cameras: the Del Mar and Chatham Gates. While these are the only two gates that the pilot project encompasses at this time, other gate locations are being reviewed for installation of the new cameras. The cameras are equipped with improved technology that captures video and still images with exceptional clarity. The District can better identify and pursue individuals who damage gates with their motor vehicles by reviewing the images of license plates. Since golf carts do not have identifying license plates, the District is asking for your assistance by reviewing the videos of golf cart operators damaging gate arms. If you are the individual responsible for damaging the gate arm or know the individual, please contact District Administration at 751-3939.

Here are the latest still images.
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/community/GateArms.aspx)

[quill]

Really? How much is this costing us. I would be all for it except the last time I looked Florida does require front license plates, so if all they are getting is the front then?? And most/not all of the cars down here, do have Florida plates. As for the golf carts, if they did not do the right thing then and there, doubt they will do it later. They should go back to gate that a golf cart can get by. Seems to me that the new gate system was talked about last year and how we were going to voluntarily go along with the new standard. Another poorly thought out thing that costs us money. And then we are paying someone to track these people down. Put a gate in that does not give and people will not hit it. Ok I am done, bring it on

[Indydealmaker]

Really? How much is this costing us. I would be all for it except the last time I looked Florida does require front license plates, so if all they are getting is the front then?? And most/not all of the cars down here, do have Florida plates. As for the golf carts, if they did not do the right thing then and there, doubt they will do it later. They should go back to gate that a golf cart can get by. Seems to me that the new gate system was talked about last year and how we were going to voluntarily go along with the new standard. Another poorly thought out thing that costs us money. And then we are paying someone to track these people down. Put a gate in that does not give and people will not hit it. Ok I am done, bring it on

New federal standards dictate that any gate must stop ALL traffic. We do not have the option of voluntarily going along.

[graciegirl]

New federal standards dictate that any gate must stop ALL traffic. We do not have the option of voluntarily going along.

What he said.

The same fund for the cameras as the repair of the gates.

It'll be alright.

[rubicon]

Well I guess I would be pleased about this recent development if the gates materially meant something but they don't. so what we seem to have here is a plan to catch residents squeezing through a gate that really serves no purpose without the hassle of using their gate pass, a pass that has little value also. Now I did it and The Village euphorians will be posting that if I don't like it well then get out of Dodge.

[mulligan]

How about gates operated by quarters??

[hoseman]

Once the first cart passes the gate, they should stop and wait for the gate/arm/wood stick to close to avoid piggybacking.

[Taltarzac725]

This is from the districtgov.org site.

The Amenity Authority Committee implemented the Gate Camera Pilot Program and identified two locations for the installation of new cameras: the Del Mar and Chatham Gates. While these are the only two gates that the pilot project encompasses at this time, other gate locations are being reviewed for installation of the new cameras. The cameras are equipped with improved technology that captures video and still images with exceptional clarity. The District can better identify and pursue individuals who damage gates with their motor vehicles by reviewing the images of license plates. Since golf carts do not have identifying license plates, the District is asking for your assistance by reviewing the videos of golf cart operators damaging gate arms. If you are the individual responsible for damaging the gate arm or know the individual, please contact District Administration at 751-3939.

Here are the latest still images.
Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/community/GateArms.aspx)

They are moving images. No stills. It is the carts that rush through after the carts which have stopped that break the gate arms.

They go by so fast that it is hard to get a good look.

[justjim]

New federal standards dictate that any gate must stop ALL traffic. We do not have the option of voluntarily going along.:mademyday: The Government really did that? What a surprise! But we don't have anything important to do? I do think the gates are a "small" deterrent in keeping out the would be criminal element. Remember I said small---well, maybe very small. Personally, I have no problem with the camera's----if, and when, there is a criminal problem there is a chance that something could be caught on camera that might help.

[pooh]

What is amazing is that those who caused the gate to fall off, DID NOT seem to go back to the gate house and report what happened. Are they children ? Adults should take responsibility for the damage they've caused. They won't go to Villages jail, they just need to pay for the damage they caused.

[Taltarzac725]

:mademyday: The Government really did that? What a surprise! But we don't have anything important to do? I do think the gates are a "small" deterrent in keeping out the would be criminal element. Remember I said small---well, maybe very small. Personally, I have no problem with the camera's----if, and when, there is a criminal problem there is a chance that something could be caught on camera that might help.

A gate attendent who sometimes comes to a place I frequent said that the Villages charges $300 per broken gate arm. My guess is that they want the $600 coming from the two golf cart drivers who broke these gate arms at the Del Mar Gate.

[ajbrown]

They are moving images. No stills. It is the carts that rush through after the carts which have stopped that break the gate arms.

They go by so fast that it is hard to get a good look.

I am not youtube expert, but a couple of tricks. After you start the video, you can go full screen by clicking the 'square box' on the right side of the video control bar located at bottom of video.

You can also pause by clicking on the || on the bottom left. After you hit pause you can step back or forward by clicking left and right arrows on your keyboard.

Watch the guy in the second video duck thinking that will help him sneak under....

[JoeC1947]

They are moving images. No stills. It is the carts that rush through after the carts which have stopped that break the gate arms.

They go by so fast that it is hard to get a good look.

You can pause the video. The Delmar gate crasher was funny, it looks like he actually ducked.

[JoeC1947]

I am not youtube expert, but a couple of tricks. After you start the video, you can go full screen by clicking the 'square box' on the right side of the video control bar located at bottom of video.

You can also pause by clicking on the || on the bottom left. After you hit pause you can step back or forward by clicking left and right arrows on your keyboard.

Watch the guy in the second video duck thinking that will help him sneak under....

OOPS....I'm guilty of not reading all of the posts before I posted the same thing as you! Sorry AJ......

[Bogie Shooter]

Well I guess I would be pleased about this recent development if the gates materially meant something but they don't. so what we seem to have here is a plan to catch residents squeezing through a gate that really serves no purpose without the hassle of using their gate pass, a pass that has little value also. Now I did it and The Village euphorians will be posting that if I don't like it well then get out of Dodge.

The camera's are to identify those that damage gates.

[Bogie Shooter]

They are moving images. No stills. It is the carts that rush through after the carts which have stopped that break the gate arms.

They go by so fast that it is hard to get a good look.

Did this information come from the trial period or just your opinion?

[hdh1470]

I would think if decent people would turn them self in.Also should post picture at mail boxes.If it were me i
I would go in and pay.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

The gate crasher in the first video looked like Graciegirl to me. :shocked: But I don't have my glasses on right now................

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

[Taltarzac725]

The gate crasher in the first video looked like Graciegirl to me. :shocked: But I don't have my glasses on right now................

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

That does look like graciegirl if she is wearing her Kathie1 disguise.

The 2nd gate crasher does duck but it looks also like there is a name on the golf cart on both the driver and passenger side. My YouTube skills are not such that I can get a good enough look to get the name(s).

[jtdraig]

Really? How much is this costing us. I would be all for it except the last time I looked Florida does require front license plates, so if all they are getting is the front then?? And most/not all of the cars down here, do have Florida plates. As for the golf carts, if they did not do the right thing then and there, doubt they will do it later. They should go back to gate that a golf cart can get by. Seems to me that the new gate system was talked about last year and how we were going to voluntarily go along with the new standard. Another poorly thought out thing that costs us money. And then we are paying someone to track these people down. Put a gate in that does not give and people will not hit it. Ok I am done, bring it on

Florida law does not require that cars have front license plates. You're right about having gates that allow golf carts to pass through. I like the suggestion about the "iron gate"..I have long thought that the stanchions that are at the front entrance of cart paths should be made of steel. We wouldn't be replacing so many of them and people who hit them once, won't do it again. :posting:

[bike42]

New federal standards dictate that any gate must stop ALL traffic. We do not have the option of voluntarily going along.

That is not true. Read the standards.

[cappyjon431]

Florida law does not require that cars have front license plates. You're right about having gates that allow golf carts to pass through. I like the suggestion about the "iron gate"..I have long thought that the stanchions that are at the front entrance of cart paths should be made of steel. We wouldn't be replacing so many of them and people who hit them once, won't do it again. :posting:

Excellent suggestions! I like the idea of an iron gate, but I like the idea of adding sharp spikes to the bottom of the gate to impale any offending vehicle.:thumbup:

[Indydealmaker]

That is not true. Read the standards.

That is what we were told here in the Villages last year. I would love to see the standards.

[hdh1470]

Gun carrying guards ?With sniper training

[cappyjon431]

Gun carrying guards ?With sniper training

Why do you think offender two was ducking?

[asianthree]

nerf guns for all gate guards:MOJE_whot:

[pooh]

nerf guns for all gate guards:MOJE_whot:

:clap2::clap2::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[rubicon]

The camera's are to identify those that damage gates.

I believe that is a reasonable pursuit and support it. Conversely residents can use this information to support their claims that the gates failed and caused damage to their auto.

It is just that in the final analysis the gates create more frustration, inconvience, etc. while not providing much, if any safety to this community.

I could get more excited and energized amount this issue if this was truly a gated community. finally the AAC money being expended only benefits residents north of 466

[jgbama]

I could get more excited and energized amount this issue if this was truly a gated community. finally the AAC money being expended only benefits residents north of 466

I understand the "gated community" part, but share a little more about the rest. . . i.e. what is AAC money? Thanks in advance.

[rubicon]

I understand the "gated community" part, but share a little more about the rest. . . i.e. what is AAC money? Thanks in advance.

The POA sued the Developer and they settled for $43,000,000 of amenity funds being held by the Developer. In that agreement the POA arranged to have residents run for a seat on the ameity Advisory Board that would oversee how this money would be spent. all funds apply only to the districts north of 466.

[hdh1470]

If its someone on this site just go and pay.You don't want to be humiliated by someone seeing you on film and turning you in.Maybe they will offer a reward then you might have to worry about your spouse claiming it.

[jgbama]

The POA sued the Developer and they settled for $43,000,000 of amenity funds being held by the Developer. In that agreement the POA arranged to have residents run for a seat on the ameity Advisory Board that would oversee how this money would be spent. all funds apply only to the districts north of 466.

Thanks for the additional info.:ho:

[jgbama]

If its someone on this site just go and pay.You don't want to be humiliated by someone seeing you on film and turning you in.Maybe they will offer a reward then you might have to worry about your spouse claiming it.

Spouses do keep us honest don't they? The reward could be a new pair of shoes! (Sorry honey, as Flip Wilson use to say, "the devil made me do it"!)

[elevatorman]

The POA sued the Developer and they settled for $43,000,000 of amenity funds being held by the Developer. In that agreement the POA arranged to have residents run for a seat on the ameity Advisory Board that would oversee how this money would be spent. all funds apply only to the districts north of 466.

I would think the money to repair gates comes from the maintenance fee charged each homeowner at the end of the year. Isn't the $43 million for amenities and not maintenance of non amenity items?

[Bill32]

I believe another reason for the gates it to give the golf carts a chance to cross.......

[Mikeod]

I have to admit that I have tailgated another cart or car through a gate in my cart since I have two cars and a gate pass in each. I recently stopped at the District Customer Service office on Wedgewood and got a third gate pass for my cart for $15 to solve the problem.

[BarryRX]

I believe another reason for the gates it to give the golf carts a chance to cross.......
Absolutely.......the gates also help cars adjust to different speed limits.

[Jerseygirl08]

Well I guess I would be pleased about this recent development if the gates materially meant something but they don't. so what we seem to have here is a plan to catch residents squeezing through a gate that really serves no purpose without the hassle of using their gate pass, a pass that has little value also. Now I did it and The Village euphorians will be posting that if I don't like it well then get out of Dodge.

One of my two gate passes (given to me in 2008) just stopped working. My renter went up to the VCDD Wedgewood Lane and was charged $15. Employee stated, "The numbers on the back don't match, they must be a pair. If not, we charge you $15". She was never able to explain to me WHY she charged $15 for one of the gate passes other than the numbers don't match. "You were told at closing not to lose your gate passes or you'd have to pay for them to be replaced". Well, I never lost either of them, yet I'm paying. Gave renter two new passes which were supposed to be free. You hand in two, they give you two back, free. So . . . . I asked the question, "Are you tracking us with those numbers?" She responded, "No, but if someone damages a gate, we can tell by the pass who was the last person through the gate". Interesting, I say. Never did get any sound explanation about the $15 charge. Sounds like a way to get alot of money out of all of us at some time or another.
SO>>>>>>>>>> Mark your gate passes! Don't mistakenly pick up the wrong one! Eventually, they will stop working and you'll need new ones. Don't feed the VCDD any money they don't deserve. Especially for the pointless gates. Turns out the gates don't make me feel special!!! Do they make you feel special?

[llaran]

There was a thread about the "requirement" for gates. This was not a LAW.
The main reason for the gates is to give the impression of safety to sell houses. Our village has had much trouble with our gates. The vha rep was told that 500, 000 was spent to repair gates, and that was a few years ago.ln the future can we afford the gates?

[BobnBev]

:shrug:Tell me what I'm missing here........why are cars and golf carts using the same gate?

[Down Sized]

One of my two gate passes (given to me in 2008) just stopped working. My renter went up to the VCDD Wedgewood Lane and was charged $15. Employee stated, "The numbers on the back don't match, they must be a pair. If not, we charge you $15". She was never able to explain to me WHY she charged $15 for one of the gate passes other than the numbers don't match. "You were told at closing not to lose your gate passes or you'd have to pay for them to be replaced". Well, I never lost either of them, yet I'm paying. Gave renter two new passes which were supposed to be free. You hand in two, they give you two back, free. So . . . . I asked the question, "Are you tracking us with those numbers?" She responded, "No, but if someone damages a gate, we can tell by the pass who was the last person through the gate". Interesting, I say. Never did get any sound explanation about the $15 charge. Sounds like a way to get alot of money out of all of us at some time or another.
SO>>>>>>>>>> Mark your gate passes! Don't mistakenly pick up the wrong one! Eventually, they will stop working and you'll need new ones. Don't feed the VCDD any money they don't deserve. Especially for the pointless gates. Turns out the gates don't make me feel special!!! Do they make you feel special?

Yes they do. Also they help me get across the street before getting run over by a car. Besides, look how much the unemployment in The Villages would go up if there were no gates!:cus:

[ohhappyday]

Anyone notice that #9...whoever was driving the Entrypoint by Perry's truck might be helpful to talk to. I'm glad down here carts don't go through the gates but around. Although our gate has been taken off several times here in Sanibel I can guess who the culprits...especially when I watched to cement trucks go through together without stopping.

[Jakel]

I think the gates are useful, but should allow the passing of golf carts, similar to the one at Bellvedere and 466, by the high school. I am also in favor of cameras at all points of entry and gates, but more for our security, then gate crashers. Most of the damage seems to be done by golf carts, shorten the gates to allow carts to squeeze by, but cars should stop for the safe passing of golf carts trying to cross the road.

[Indydealmaker]

I think the gates are useful, but should allow the passing of golf carts, similar to the one at Bellvedere and 466, by the high school. I am also in favor of cameras at all points of entry and gates, but more for our security, then gate crashers. Most of the damage seems to be done by golf carts, shorten the gates to allow carts to squeeze by, but cars should stop for the safe passing of golf carts trying to cross the road.

In other words, we should "dumb down" our system to accommodate the careless, indifferent, illiterate, arrogant golf cart drivers in our midst. :cus:

[Ooper]

I am fine with trying to find people who damage the gates pay for them. But one thing that is missing from all these posts is who pays vehicle owners when the gate prematurely comes down on the vehicle? In the 11 years I have been a Villager, this has happened twice to me. One time it left a scratch on the roof of my car and the 2nd time, it took off the rear mounted antenna. I was not tail-gating and used the gate pass... the gate went up and came right back down again as I was entering the gate. I never reported this because it would have been my word against theirs. But cameras would have been useful to prove instances such as these.

[Golfingnut]

When how the gates work in our home town is a topic at all, ya gots to admit, We is livin large in de villages.

:a040:

And, LOL, did you take note that the first video was a cart driven by a guy in a wife beater tea shirt. That set the tone for me.

[graciegirl]

People never cease to amaze me, delight me, surprise me, annoy me and mistify me.

Why is it that gates have never given me one degree of rise to my blood pressure?

I don't care if "they" track me, I am not doin' anything wrong. I don't think that gates keep any bad people out, but they slow some people down.

Others need to be tethered to something.

[Trayderjoe]

In other words, we should "dumb down" our system to accommodate the careless, indifferent, illiterate, arrogant golf cart drivers in our midst. :cus:

:agree: :spoken:

[jblum315]

What is amazing is that those who caused the gate to fall off, DID NOT seem to go back to the gate house and report what happened. Are they children ? Adults should take responsibility for the damage they've caused. They won't go to Villages jail, they just need to pay for the damage they caused.

i have a great visual image of "Villages Jail." They could put it in that empty Historic House and it would be just like the old Wild West!

[quirky3]

i have a great visual image of "Villages Jail." They could put it in that empty Historic House and it would be just like the old Wild West!

Great visual! And think of the variety of "prisoners" there....gate crashers, poopetrators, seat savers,......

[raynitsche]

Move the arm to the pass pad or pass pad to the arm.