CO Shooting

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Before this gets all political, let's actually wait for the official investigation to release information on the shooter and not listen to all the talking heads saying the same thing over and over.

Everyone can make guess of who, what, when, where, why and how. But until facts are known or discovered its all a guessing game and talking heads want to keep you glued to their station. Me, I am going to wait until officials give their news conference to get the facts straight and not jump to any conclusions.

The endless chatter of the heads is meaningless with out facts to back up anything that they say.

Let's hope that the gun banners wait until facts are released before jumping to ban all firearms. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the individual who did this act and not the objects that he used.

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Did you put this in political? If so, why?

[Guest]

Before this gets all political, let's actually wait for the official investigation to release information on the shooter and not listen to all the talking heads saying the same thing over and over.

Everyone can make guess of who, what, when, where, why and how. But until facts are known or discovered its all a guessing game and talking heads want to keep you glued to their station. Me, I am going to wait until officials give their news conference to get the facts straight and not jump to any conclusions.

The endless chatter of the heads is meaningless with out facts to back up anything that they say.

Let's hope that the gun banners wait until facts are released before jumping to ban all firearms. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the individual who did this act and not the objects that he used.

I only believe in the banning of firearms which have no practical everyday use except to arm militias. Any kind of hunting rifle, shotgun, and self-defensive handgun should have the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

This is an horrible thing to happen. If we could de- stigmatize certain mental illnesses maybe this individual could have received some kind of treatment before he/she went off the deep end. I still see libraries as a localized way to fight off the effects as well as the seeds of these kinds of violent attacks through educating the public about mental illnesses, survivors/victims rights, and the criminal justice system. We just have to some how want to get librarians, the justice system, police, social services, and educators to work together in this.

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We know the talking heads have only one objective....to keep the clueless glued to their screen.

One of these days the real culprit in these incidents will be displayed. That is the fact we as a society not only condone but promote violence. Just pay attention to the subject matter of far too many tv programs and almost all movies. It has been going on for years. Parents allow their children to be trained by everything except common sense. The permissive culture denies nobody to promote violence.

Unfortunately because most adults enjoy the violence it is not a priority to eliminate the daily drumming of our young with violence at every turn.

There is no mystery to the behavior of the few who go off the deep end....using tactics learned from tv and movies....what they use to do the job is merely a cop out of the real problem. We certainly would not expect politicians to go against the entertainment business (other wise known as cash support).

btk

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I only believe in the banning of firearms which have no practical everyday use except to arm militias. Any kind of hunting rifle, shotgun, and self-defensive handgun should have the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

The 2d Amendment was not put in the Bill of Rights so that you can hunt or for hand gun self defense. It was placed there so that if a rogue government ever tried to take over, the common citizen would be able to protect themselves from Government.

No matter how many firearms laws are passed, criminals will always find away to get a firearm. Pass laws that affect the criminal, not laws that affect the law abiding citizen. Only those that obey the law to start with will obey any NEW firearm law, they aren't called criminals for obeying the laws and obeying our laws start at the top and work down. Hint, WH, Congress, SCOTUS and the rest of our leaders, local, state and Federal.

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Reference Post #3. Question asked, question answered.

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Be armed and be trained.

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The 2d Amendment was not put in the Bill of Rights so that you can hunt or for hand gun self defense. It was placed there so that if a rogue government ever tried to take over, the common citizen would be able to protect themselves from Government.

No matter how many firearms laws are passed, criminals will always find away to get a firearm. Pass laws that affect the criminal, not laws that affect the law abiding citizen. Only those that obey the law to start with will obey any NEW firearm law, they aren't called criminals for obeying the laws and obeying our laws start at the top and work down. Hint, WH, Congress, SCOTUS and the rest of our leaders, local, state and Federal.

Find that the 1776 idea of a militia is very archaic when compared with realities in 2012. 2nd Amendment Bearing Arms - U.S. Constitution - Findlaw (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/)

I would also think that to take down a rogue element of the US government you would need tanks, missiles, and probably nuclear weapons. The weapons of war are so different now from the muskets, swords, tomahawks, clubs, knives, and cannons from the Revolutionary War.

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"I would also think that to take down a rogue element of the US government you would need tanks, missiles, and probably nuclear weapons. The weapons of war are so different now from the muskets, swords, tomahawks, clubs, knives, and cannons from the Revolutionary War."

I tried using that same analogy a few months ago when one of the posters said that the private citizen should have the same weapons of the armed forces. The conservative gun nuts ridiculed me. What else would one expect from the gun nuts?

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"I would also think that to take down a rogue element of the US government you would need tanks, missiles, and probably nuclear weapons. The weapons of war are so different now from the muskets, swords, tomahawks, clubs, knives, and cannons from the Revolutionary War."

I tried using that same analogy a few months ago when one of the posters said that the private citizen should have the same weapons of the armed forces. The conservative gun nuts ridiculed me. What else would one expect from the gun nuts?

Can you think about what would have happened if this James Holmes-- the alleged Aurora, CO movie theater shooter-- had a few grenades??

James Holmes Identified As 24-Year-Old Suspect In Denver Shootings (PHOTOS, LIVEBLOG) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-dark-knight-theater-shooting_n_1688944.html)

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The Syrians seem to be doing just fine in taking down a "rogue" government who is using tanks, missiles and other modern weapons against ordinary citizens. Arguement above does not hold water.

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Can you think about what would have happened if this James Holmes-- the alleged Aurora, CO movie theater shooter-- had a few grenades??

James Holmes Identified As 24-Year-Old Suspect In Denver Shootings (PHOTOS, LIVEBLOG) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/james-holmes-dark-knight-theater-shooting_n_1688944.html)

What makes you think that he could not have gotten hold of a few of them. Anything you want can be bought on the black market if you have enough money. Law abiding citizens will obey the law, criminals will not. Guess that is why they are called criminals.

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What makes you think that he could not have gotten hold of a few of them. Anything you want can be bought on the black market if you have enough money. Law abiding citizens will obey the law, criminals will not. Guess that is why they are called criminals.

My guess is that James Holmes is a mentally ill loner who would not work well with others in any way, shape, or form. He was someone driven over the edge by whatever demons he has.

Most criminals I have come in contact with-- I represented a large number of MN prisoners at Minnesota Correctional Facility/Stillwater as a student attorney in their civil matters-- were able to interact with other people in some way.

Most of the mass shooters I remember are gun nuts but also loners who would have some trouble getting guns unless there parents/relatives are also gun nuts.

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Most of the mass shooters I remember are gun nuts but also loners who would have some trouble getting guns unless there parents/relatives are also gun nuts.

Do you have a problem with law abiding citizens who own guns? Is that way you use the term GUN NUTS.

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The Syrians seem to be doing just fine in taking down a "rogue" government who is using tanks, missiles and other modern weapons against ordinary citizens. Arguement above does not hold water.

And what are the Syrians rebels using?? My guess is they are being armed by other governments interested in toppling the current Syrian regime.

We and others had to arm the Taliban to take on the Soviets in Afghanistan. That really came back and bit us in the....

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Do you have a problem with law abiding citizens who own guns? Is that way you use the term GUN NUTS.

No I do not. I used to own 4 various guns. But these were used for hunting in the deserts and hills of Nevada. I do not have problems with citizens with guns for self-defense. Not sure why though say a .50 caliber sniper rifle should be in the hands of anyone but a SWAT sniper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82

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I only believe in the banning of firearms which have no practical everyday use except to arm militias. Any kind of hunting rifle, shotgun, and self-defensive handgun should have the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

This is an horrible thing to happen. If we could de- stigmatize certain mental illnesses maybe this individual could have received some kind of treatment before he/she went off the deep end. I still see libraries as a localized way to fight off the effects as well as the seeds of these kinds of violent attacks through educating the public about mental illnesses, survivors/victims rights, and the criminal justice system. We just have to some how want to get librarians, the justice system, police, social services, and educators to work together in this.

It's not so much stigmatization of these mental illnesses, but political correctness and misinterpretation of "privacy laws" gone amuck. This was proven with the Virginia Tech killer, and the Ft. Hood killer (I mean "Workplace Violence Doctor"). Countless PhD's at the university, and M.D.'s at teaching-hospital PSYCHIATRY department where Hassan was "teaching" residents knew and warned about these two killers' prior talk and even rants about such macabre events they were savoring in advance.

And here is a 3rd example, about the Tuscon killer, where people knew but apparently did not want to "stigmatize" or "judge" the person:

From February to September 2010, while a student at Pima Community College, Loughner had five contacts with college police for classroom and library disruptions. On September 29, 2010, college police also discovered a YouTube video shot by Loughner, in which his spoken commentary stated that the college was illegal according to the United States Constitution. He described his school as "one of the biggest scams in America". The video led to Loughner being suspended from the school.

The college told Loughner that if he wanted to come back to school, he needed to resolve his code of conduct violations and obtain a mental health clearance (indicating, in the opinion of a mental health professional, that his presence did not constitute a danger to himself or others). On October 4, Loughner and his parents met with campus administrators and Loughner indicated he would withdraw from the college. During Loughner's time at Pima, a teacher and a classmate both said they thought he might commit a school shooting.

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Some gun nuts do go nuts. Unfortunately. :grumpy:

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Do you have a problem with law abiding citizens who own guns? Is that way you use the term GUN NUTS.

LOL......"Gun Nuts" certainly does "Stigmatize" them, doesn't it?

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LOL......"Gun Nuts" certainly does "Stigmatize" them, doesn't it?

The term "gun nuts" has different connotations that the usual use of the word "nut" to describe someone with a mental illness.

I also still think that if libraries had more materials quickly accessible about mental health resources through their web-sites, there would be less ignorance about people with mental illnesses.

As in the movie and books The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and its sequels, a label of mental illness can you be used as a weapon to silence people who are whistleblowers, critics, troublemakers, and/or victims of someone with powers over them. Part of the ability to use mental illness as a weapon is that so many people still do not understand various mental illnesses.

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Some people are cuckoo for cocoa puffs too but not all gun owners are "gun nuts".

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Some people are cuckoo for cocoa puffs too but not all gun owners are "gun nuts".

One person's "gun nut" is another person's patriot.

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the mean message could not be delivered with more sensible terms like gun enthusiasts or gun collectors.

We gun enthusiasts object to the uninformed categorizing of gun owners.

The guy who did the shooting is not a gun nut he is a killer. Not alleged...he killed folks. He would have done something destructive without a gun. Where do you categorize his use of a tear gas bomb. Was he a gas nut as well?

What do you call the suicide bombers? A bomb nut? A vest nut? Of course not they are killers. Just like the guy in CO.

Remember far too many of you approve of the garbage that is being televised and the movies of today. Far too many are way too permissive and not prepared to take steps to bring back core values that exclude detailed and explicit methods of killing a person....a group of people...how to make a bomb....how to report the parents for daring to discipline a child of today.

Guns as usual are not the issue....but it certainly is ALWAYS, ALWAYS presented as though they were.

Our permissive society has contributed to this individuals means to murder far more than the gun!!

btk

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the mean message could not be delivered with more sensible terms like gun enthusiasts or gun collectors.

We gun enthusiasts object to the uninformed categorizing of gun owners.

The guy who did the shooting is not a gun nut he is a killer. Not alleged...he killed folks. He would have done something destructive without a gun. Where do you categorize his use of a tear gas bomb. Was he a gas nut as well?

What do you call the suicide bombers? A bomb nut? A vest nut? Of course not they are killers. Just like the guy in CO.

Remember far too many of you approve of the garbage that is being televised and the movies of today. Far too many are way too permissive and not prepared to take steps to bring back core values that exclude detailed and explicit methods of killing a person....a group of people...how to make a bomb....how to report the parents for daring to discipline a child of today.

Guns as usual are not the issue....but it certainly is ALWAYS, ALWAYS presented as though they were.

Our permissive society has contributed to this individuals means to murder far more than the gun!!

btk

I do not see the permissiveness of society having all that much to do with gun violence. This permissiveness usually brings more STDs than acts of violence. Some of these acts are family violence. Domestic violence has been occurring without abatement for centuries in the US. Much of this was done when people were a lot more Puritan in their beliefs and behaviors.

The glamorizing of violence by Hollywood and elsewhere certainly contribute though to these shooters taking up firearms and shooting various people for whatever motivation.

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the mean message could not be delivered with more sensible terms like gun enthusiasts or gun collectors.

We gun enthusiasts object to the uninformed categorizing of gun owners.

The guy who did the shooting is not a gun nut he is a killer. Not alleged...he killed folks. He would have done something destructive without a gun. Where do you categorize his use of a tear gas bomb. Was he a gas nut as well?

What do you call the suicide bombers? A bomb nut? A vest nut? Of course not they are killers. Just like the guy in CO.

Remember far too many of you approve of the garbage that is being televised and the movies of today. Far too many are way too permissive and not prepared to take steps to bring back core values that exclude detailed and explicit methods of killing a person....a group of people...how to make a bomb....how to report the parents for daring to discipline a child of today.

Guns as usual are not the issue....but it certainly is ALWAYS, ALWAYS presented as though they were.

Our permissive society has contributed to this individuals means to murder far more than the gun!!

btk

I think you are basically right. Too many violent games, movies etc. could cause it but **** poor parenting might be the root cause.

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We know the talking heads have only one objective....to keep the clueless glued to their screen.

One of these days the real culprit in these incidents will be displayed. That is the fact we as a society not only condone but promote violence. Just pay attention to the subject matter of far too many tv programs and almost all movies. It has been going on for years. Parents allow their children to be trained by everything except common sense. The permissive culture denies nobody to promote violence.

Unfortunately because most adults enjoy the violence it is not a priority to eliminate the daily drumming of our young with violence at every turn.

There is no mystery to the behavior of the few who go off the deep end....using tactics learned from tv and movies....what they use to do the job is merely a cop out of the real problem. We certainly would not expect politicians to go against the entertainment business (other wise known as cash support).

btk

^^^^^^^^This post bears repeating.

BTW, gun nuts is an inflammatory term, but I think many people (not all for sure) who use the term are referring to the inflexible NRA. I come from a farming, hunting, outdoor family and I own several guns as do all my relatives, but most of us would agree that assault weapons and guns not uselful or necessary in hunting or defending oneself should be controlled or severely limited in access, and the gun show exception should be eliminated.

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Find that the 1776 idea of a militia is very archaic when compared with realities in 2012. 2nd Amendment Bearing Arms - U.S. Constitution - Findlaw (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/)

I would also think that to take down a rogue element of the US government you would need tanks, missiles, and probably nuclear weapons. The weapons of war are so different now from the muskets, swords, tomahawks, clubs, knives, and cannons from the Revolutionary War.

The big reason the Japanese did not want to invade this country in WWII was because they knew about the well armed American citizens.

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^^^^^^^^This post bears repeating.

BTW, gun nuts is an inflammatory term, but I think many people (not all for sure) who use the term are referring to the inflexible NRA. I come from a farming, hunting, outdoor family and I own several guns as do all my relatives, but most of us would agree that assault weapons and guns not uselful or necessary in hunting or defending oneself should be controlled or severely limited in access, and the gun show exception should be eliminated.

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The big reason the Japanese did not want to invade this country in WWII was because they knew about the well armed American citizens.

Hmmmm, maybe that and the lack of logistics.

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The term "gun nuts" has different connotations that the usual use of the word "nut" to describe someone with a mental illness.

I also still think that if libraries had more materials quickly accessible about mental health resources through their web-sites, there would be less ignorance about people with mental illnesses.

As in the movie and books The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and its sequels, a label of mental illness can you be used as a weapon to silence people who are whistleblowers, critics, troublemakers, and/or victims of someone with powers over them. Part of the ability to use mental illness as a weapon is that so many people still do not understand various mental illnesses.

Oh, but many people DO understand mental illnesses....like the Virginia Tech teacher whose students would not come to class anymore b/c the would-be shooter scared them so much with his bizarre, deathly talk, and like the other attending and resident Medical Doctors at Walter Reed Army Hospital where Hasan was "teaching" psychiatry resident MD's, and presenting at grand rounds with attending psychiatrists.

But their repeated warnings were quietly shut down for fear of claims/outcry of "ethnic discrimination", "racist", or other "breech of privacy" claims naive do-gooders make in order to not "judge" or "stigmatize" such a threatening and sick-minded person.

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The glamorizing of violence by Hollywood and elsewhere certainly contribute though to these shooters taking up firearms and shooting various people for whatever motivation.

Are there fact-based studies that support the conclusion that "glamorizing violence...contributes to these shooters taking up firearms and..."? I haven't searched for it yet, but I believe I've seen studies in the past that have concluded that youngsters watching violent movies and playing violent video games does NOT correlate to violence later in life. Yet, because this is a seemingly logical conclusion (glamorizing violence leads to gun violence) few people challenge the assumption that masquerades as fact.

Is it possible that capturing national attention (i.e., the 15 proverbial minutes of fame) is the motivational force for an individual who otherwise feels powerless and who has little to no impact on society?...and that these killers KNOW that a mass shooting is guaranteed to produce that fame than is mowing down pedestrians on a crowded sidewalk in their car?

Just asking....

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No one knows right now why the young man decided to shoot up the movie theatre. Of course, he had to be somewhat crazy to do that.

However, he had bought all the guns and ammunition legally according to the police chief. He did not have any criminal or mental issue to deter him from buying the guns or ammo.

The problem is the easy access to buying guns. There also is no reason for a civilian to own an assault rifle like a M-16 that can be converted to full auto very easily. The NRA would probably be in favor of any citizen being able to own .50 caliber machine guns with the arguement that citizens should be armed just like the military in case of the "rogue" government comes marching down Buena Vista Blvd.

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Hmmmm, maybe that and the lack of logistics.

Shimpy is historically correct. This fact was admitted to by the Japanese military when the war was over.

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We may be looking at Colorado and ignoring the greater problem - gang violence. To put it in perspective, in the city of Chicago on Memorial Day weekend this year eleven people died of gunshot wounds and at least 50 additional were wounded. The precise number of wounded is not known since some, most assuredly, took care of their wounds themselves rather than be involved with authorities. None of the firearms involved were licensed, registered or in any way legal. The Aurora theater massacre killed 13 and wounded approximately 50 others.

The Aurora theater killings were a one-time event. The killings in Chicago and other cities around this nation continue unchecked and unpublicized. There will be at least as many killed by gang violence this weekend as died in Aurora. The difference is that the gang violence will go on 365 days this year and for as long as we can see in the future. One could ask why care about gang violence - they only kill hoods? But, unfortunately, they do much more damage. They kill innocent bystanders, they make violence and drug money enticing to kids and the violence hollows out our cities.

I do not pretend to have the answer, but I do know that restricting law-abiding citizens the right to their arms is not the solution. Talk about semi-automatic or fully automatic simply puts off the question of where does violence occur, whether or not the arms are registered/licensed. etc. There are hundred or perhaps a few hundred killed by legal arms each year. There are thousands killed by illegal arms in the hands of gangs each year both in this country and in Mexico. It is time to stop focusing on the deaths of the people in Colorado and Treyvon Martin; and start focusing on the problem that is killing our cities – gang violence.

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If only ONE person had been armed with a concealed weapon maybe it could have saved all these lives. Just sad to think you would even have to go to a movie theater with a gun for self protection. How tragic and what has this country become? We've got MORE and more kids who think they are the characters in the movies they watch. Perhaps too much time in front of tv, computers, ipads, playing and watching violence has contributed to our societys trend toward violence. Parents, turn the dam TV's off, take the computers away, the ipads, etc.. and give your kids some books to read!! Very very sad for the families who lost their loved ones. My prayers go out to each and everyone of them.

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We may be looking at Colorado and ignoring the greater problem - gang violence. To put it in perspective, in the city of Chicago on Memorial Day weekend this year eleven people died of gunshot wounds and at least 50 additional were wounded. The precise number of wounded is not known since some, most assuredly, took care of their wounds themselves rather than be involved with authorities. None of the firearms involved were licensed, registered or in any way legal. The Aurora theater massacre killed 13 and wounded approximately 50 others.

The Aurora theater killings were a one-time event. The killings in Chicago and other cities around this nation continue unchecked and unpublicized. There will be at least as many killed by gang violence this weekend as died in Aurora. The difference is that the gang violence will go on 365 days this year and for as long as we can see in the future. One could ask why care about gang violence - they only kill hoods? But, unfortunately, they do much more damage. They kill innocent bystanders, they make violence and drug money enticing to kids and the violence hollows out our cities.

I do not pretend to have the answer, but I do know that restricting law-abiding citizens the right to their arms is not the solution. Talk about semi-automatic or fully automatic simply puts off the question of where does violence occur, whether or not the arms are registered/licensed. etc. There are hundred or perhaps a few hundred killed by legal arms each year. There are thousands killed by illegal arms in the hands of gangs each year both in this country and in Mexico. It is time to stop focusing on the deaths of the people in Colorado and Treyvon Martin; and start focusing on the problem that is killing our cities – gang violence.

High School Massacres: An American Phenomenon - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,23425-2,00.html)

This article is from 1999 but covers some of the explanations of why these loners feel the need to take their rage out on society. Still wonder what set James Holmes off to start planning such a horrible chain of events.

Gang violence is something very different. What you need their are more community organizers like Barack Obama when he was in Chicago.

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Shimpy is historically correct. This fact was admitted to by the Japanese military when the war was over.

I can't find any real answer to that. Lots of speculation online about it. I'm from Missouri. Show me.

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If only ONE person had been armed with a concealed weapon maybe it could have saved all these lives. Just sad to think you would even have to go to a movie theater with a gun for self protection. How tragic and what has this country become? We've got MORE and more kids who think they are the characters in the movies they watch. Perhaps too much time in front of tv, computers, ipads, playing and watching violence has contributed to our societys trend toward violence. Parents, turn the dam TV's off, take the computers away, the ipads, etc.. and give your kids some books to read!! Very very sad for the families who lost their loved ones. My prayers go out to each and everyone of them.

I'm inclined to agree with you this time.

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If only ONE person had been armed with a concealed weapon maybe it could have saved all these lives. Just sad to think you would even have to go to a movie theater with a gun for self protection. How tragic and what has this country become? We've got MORE and more kids who think they are the characters in the movies they watch. Perhaps too much time in front of tv, computers, ipads, playing and watching violence has contributed to our societys trend toward violence. Parents, turn the dam TV's off, take the computers away, the ipads, etc.. and give your kids some books to read!! Very very sad for the families who lost their loved ones. My prayers go out to each and everyone of them.

Only if the person in a movie theater with a congealed weapon is (1) a very good shot; (2) can shoot another person; and (3) can remain very calm enough to get off a good shot. Except for those with military and/or police training, I doubt if many people could do this.

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Only if the person in a movie theater with a congealed weapon is (1) a very good shot; (2) can shoot another person; and (3) can remain very calm enough to get off a good shot. Except for those with military and/or police training, I doubt if many people could do this.

I don't think a congealed weapon would even fire Tal! :faint:

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Only if the person in a movie theater with a congealed weapon is (1) a very good shot; (2) can shoot another person; and (3) can remain very calm enough to get off a good shot. Except for those with military and/or police training, I doubt if many people could do this.

Perhaps if the perp had seen his victims shooting back, he may have beat feet out the way he came in.

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If only ONE person had been armed with a concealed weapon maybe it could have saved all these lives. Just sad to think you would even have to go to a movie theater with a gun for self protection. How tragic and what has this country become? We've got MORE and more kids who think they are the characters in the movies they watch. Perhaps too much time in front of tv, computers, ipads, playing and watching violence has contributed to our societys trend toward violence. Parents, turn the dam TV's off, take the computers away, the ipads, etc.. and give your kids some books to read!! Very very sad for the families who lost their loved ones. My prayers go out to each and everyone of them.

Out of that entire movie theater, don't you think there would have been ONE off-duty police officer? Most cities, I believe, have their off-duty officers carry a concealed pistol.

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It's not for any of us armchair CCW carriers to decide which little lady, child or senior citizen would be "a good enough shot" when cornered in a massacre like THIS:

Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment! - YouTube

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It's not for any of us armchair CCW carriers to decide which little lady, child or senior citizen would be "a good enough shot" when cornered in a massacre like THIS:

Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis)

Well, I hope that more cops who are off duty bring their guns along when they go to movies, church, the mall, etc. Just make sure that the theater or whatever management know who is who that has the firearm.

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There also is no reason for a civilian to own an assault rifle like a M-16 that can be converted to full auto very easily.

You can not convert an M16 to full auto very easy. Best read up on what it takes before making that statement.

Another thing, assault rifle is a term used, that has no meaning. The civilian version of the M16, semi auto is not an assault rifle. Look the term assault rifle up, then come on back and tell me what it is.

Educate yourself on the correct terms and stop listening to the media who would not know a sling shot from a cannon.

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You can not convert an M16 to full auto very easy. Best read up on what it takes before making that statement.

Another thing, assault rifle is a term used, that has no meaning. The civilian version of the M16, semi auto is not an assault rifle. Look the term assault rifle up, then come on back and tell me what it is.

Educate yourself on the correct terms and stop listening to the media who would not know a sling shot from a cannon.

Figgy, go on Google and type in "how to convert M16 to full auto" and a slew of information comes up. I did not download it since I do not want that crap on my hard drive. It obviously is not too difficult. And why should I read up on the subject before making the statement? Am I going to get sued by a criminal who was not able to convert his weapon?

Assault rifle to most people is the term used for the M16 and such weapons. They may not have the bayonet mounts and a few little features but the general idea stands. Don't get your tighty-whiteys in a bunch over semantics when everyone knows what is meant.

Obviously, this shooter in Colorado had enough ammunition and magazines loaded to put a great deal of firepower out since over 70 people were wounded and at least 12 killed. Even if the rifle was not the military definition of assault rifle, it sure assaulted the heck out of over 80 people.

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Buggy, don't believe everything you read on the internet. Ain't true about the easy conversion.

Word mean different things, use the correct word and the meaning of a sentence changes just as using some meaningless word changes the whole idea.

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I found this interesting.

Lone Gunmen Always a Law Enforcement Challenge - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/lone-gunmen-law-enforcement-challenge-16830696#.UAv5SLR8CuI)

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Official says assault rifle used in Colorado shooting jammed, forced suspect to use gun (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Official+says+assault+rifle+used+Colorado+shooting +jammed+forced/6971321/story.html)

Thank God that Holmes was a novice to the world of guns and bought an assualt rifle that jams.

If guns were available, I believe this man would have tried bombs or some kind of chemical weapon to do his evil. Some people are simply rotten.

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Figgy, go on Google and type in "how to convert M16 to full auto" and a slew of information comes up. I did not download it since I do not want that crap on my hard drive. It obviously is not too difficult. And why should I read up on the subject before making the statement? Am I going to get sued by a criminal who was not able to convert his weapon?

Assault rifle to most people is the term used for the M16 and such weapons. They may not have the bayonet mounts and a few little features but the general idea stands. Don't get your tighty-whiteys in a bunch over semantics when everyone knows what is meant.

Obviously, this shooter in Colorado had enough ammunition and magazines loaded to put a great deal of firepower out since over 70 people were wounded and at least 12 killed. Even if the rifle was not the military definition of assault rifle, it sure assaulted the heck out of over 80 people.

Buggy, I went on line and read a few of the articles. It can be done, but Figmo is right, it is not easy. You would first need to get the plans and parts, second have access to a well equipped machine shop and third know how to used the equipment or hire someone to do it for you. Hiring someone to do something illegal is probably not the wisest thing to do.

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Official says assault rifle used in Colorado shooting jammed, forced suspect to use gun (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Official+says+assault+rifle+used+Colorado+shooting +jammed+forced/6971321/story.html)

Thank God that Holmes was a novice to the world of guns and bought an assualt rifle that jams.

If guns were available, I believe this man would have tried bombs or some kind of chemical weapon to do his evil. Some people are simply rotten.

I'm not sure about that, he might be too much of a coward to be a suicide bomber, after all, he surrendered. Not a guy committed to dying.

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I'm not sure about that, he might be too much of a coward to be a suicide bomber, after all, he surrendered. Not a guy committed to dying.

He could have left bombs in some place where a crowd gathered rather than becoming a suicide bomber.

I do hope that the Criminal Justice System in Colorado can somehow be persuaded to hand this over to the Federal government for some kind of terrorist charge which would then carry the death penalty.

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He could have left bombs in some place where a crowd gathered rather than becoming a suicide bomber.

I do hope that the Criminal Justice System in Colorado can somehow be persuaded to hand this over to the Federal government for some kind of terrorist charge which would then carry the death penalty.

Look at the eyes on this feller. They are shark eyes. He needs killed. Now, this article says the CO has the death penalty but I agree with you. The Feds didn't play long with McVey, hopefully they can do their thing again.

Colorado Shooting: Will Alleged Gunman James Eagan Holmes Get The Death Penalty? - International Business Times (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/365539/20120721/james-holmes-colorado-shooting-death-penalty.htm)

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Look at the eyes on this feller. They are shark eyes. He needs killed. Now, this article says the CO has the death penalty but I agree with you. The Feds didn't play long with McVey, hopefully they can do their thing again.

Colorado Shooting: Will Alleged Gunman James Eagan Holmes Get The Death Penalty? - International Business Times (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/365539/20120721/james-holmes-colorado-shooting-death-penalty.htm)

CO does have the death penalty. Just does not use it very often.

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They do have the death penalty in Colorado but have not used in for decades.

Time to dust off Old Sparky or The Gurney.

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I have waited to collect my thoughts before posting anything regarding this terrible tragedy and I am NOT responding to any other posts in this thread.

I have lived in Colorado for almost 50 years now it is a beautiful, although at time a cold, piece of the world. Just last week I visited the University of Colorado Medical Center to fix some computer issues they were having. On my way to a family reunion in Grand Lake I passed the Bass Pro shop twice so I am pretty familiar with the territory.....

I know that the 2nd amendment grants citizens the right to bear arms, I have no real problem with that but I do have a problem with the gun lobby's stand on how far those rights go.

So for example, the West was on fire in Utah, New Mexico, Wyoming and Colorado...at least 2 of those fires were started by citizens target shooting in the woods. Perhaps none of you heard about this but there was a big debate surrounding the temporary banning of target shooting during the current conditions. The gun lobby was, as you might expect, against a ban claiming the 2nd amendment rights. My point on this is why can't a ban be placed on shooting in the woods? There where bans on fires and fireworks....why NOT shooting?

I understand that gun owners want to hunt with their firearms but I don't think they would select a AK15 to kill a deer. These weapons are intended to kill only one kind of prey. PEOPLE. These types of weapons should be more closely controlled.

Most, if not all, of the most recent mass killing in the US involved 3 things, automatic or semi-automatic guns, large capacity clips and angry men. I know we can't ban men but how about restricting the sale of large capacity clips? Or why didn't some guy buying 6,000 rounds of ammo set off alarm bells somewhere? My credit card has been shut off by just buying things on the Internet...... Why can't we restrict the purchase of large amounts of ammo?

Often I have been told and it has already been said in this case that, if only someone at that movie had a gun. Colorado does allow concealed weapons even in church but in spite of that no one in that movie had a gun with them. And even if they had a gun this guy was wearing full body armor so what good would that gun have done? And why in the heck do we sell these suits on the internet? And ship them 2nd day air? In this case, this kid was not in any trouble prior to the shooting and was not a loner....he had friends in the community.

Perhaps one of saddest things I heard this morning was some evangelical minister saying that only the Christians killed would be going to heaven. I think the phrase is "Judge not least yea be judged" perhaps that guy should join the Westboro church.

This is not our first rodeo but I surely hope it is our last.....

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Now where is a mad guy with a gun when you need one.....

Those good christians from our neighbor to the east are heading to the vigil.

Westboro Baptist Church Threatens To 'Super Picket' Aurora Prayer Vigil For Batman Shooting Victims (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/22/westboro-baptist-church-aurora-shooting-vigil_n_1693375.html)

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I have waited to collect my thoughts before posting anything regarding this terrible tragedy and I am NOT responding to any other posts in this thread.

I have lived in Colorado for almost 50 years now it is a beautiful, although at time a cold, piece of the world. Just last week I visited the University of Colorado Medical Center to fix some computer issues they were having. On my way to a family reunion in Grand Lake I passed the Bass Pro shop twice so I am pretty familiar with the territory.....

I know that the 2nd amendment grants citizens the right to bear arms, I have no real problem with that but I do have a problem with the gun lobby's stand on how far those rights go.

So for example, the West was on fire in Utah, New Mexico, Wyoming and Colorado...at least 2 of those fires were started by citizens target shooting in the woods. Perhaps none of you heard about this but there was a big debate surrounding the temporary banning of target shooting during the current conditions. The gun lobby was, as you might expect, against a ban claiming the 2nd amendment rights. My point on this is why can't a ban be placed on shooting in the woods? There where bans on fires and fireworks....why NOT shooting?

I understand that gun owners want to hunt with their firearms but I don't think they would select a AK15 to kill a deer. These weapons are intended to kill only one kind of prey. PEOPLE. These types of weapons should be more closely controlled.

Most, if not all, of the most recent mass killing in the US involved 3 things, automatic or semi-automatic guns, large capacity clips and angry men. I know we can't ban men but how about restricting the sale of large capacity clips? Or why didn't some guy buying 6,000 rounds of ammo set off alarm bells somewhere? My credit card has been shut off by just buying things on the Internet...... Why can't we restrict the purchase of large amounts of ammo?

Often I have been told and it has already been said in this case that, if only someone at that movie had a gun. Colorado does allow concealed weapons even in church but in spite of that no one in that movie had a gun with them. And even if they had a gun this guy was wearing full body armor so what good would that gun have done? And why in the heck do we sell these suits on the internet? And ship them 2nd day air? In this case, this kid was not in any trouble prior to the shooting and was not a loner....he had friends in the community.

Perhaps one of saddest things I heard this morning was some evangelical minister saying that only the Christians killed would be going to heaven. I think the phrase is "Judge not least yea be judged" perhaps that guy should join the Westboro church.

This is not our first rodeo but I surely hope it is our last.....

The minister you mention at the end of your post is an ass, and I doubt his statement puts him in good graces with the God he worships.

You make excellent points in recognizing red flags pertaining to unusual purchases of firearm paraphernalia.

I think anyone found to have purchased a enormous amount of ammunition should be questioned by somebody, just as someone who purchases an enormous amount of fertilizer, like that used in the Oklahoma bombing, would be.

The same with body armor. Who needs this and why? It doesn't affect our 2nd Amendment rights to ask that question.

On another note; firearms are purchased and used for sport and for personal protection much more than they are purchased for hunting, by the way. The hunting argument against particular forms of firearms is not really valid.

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Point taken and accepted.

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The minister you mention at the end of your post is an ass, and I doubt his statement puts him in good graces with the God he worships.

You make excellent points in recognizing red flags pertaining to unusual purchases of firearm paraphernalia.

I think anyone found to have purchased a enormous amount of ammunition should be questioned by somebody, just as someone who purchases an enormous amount of fertilizer, like that used in the Oklahoma bombing, would be.

The same with body armor. Who needs this and why? It doesn't affect our 2nd Amendment rights to ask that question.

On another note; firearms are purchased and used for sport and for personal protection much more than they are purchased for hunting, by the way. The hunting argument against particular forms of firearms is not really valid.

Well said, but the I don't think automatic weapons, or large capacity clips are necessary for sport or personal protection.

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Well said, but the I don't think automatic weapons, or large capacity clips are necessary for sport or personal protection.

Automatic weapons are illegal everywhere, so I don't know why you've mentioned them.

Large magazines?; I agree with you if you're talking about the kind of clip this sociopath in Colorado was in possession of. There is no reason on God's green earth for a citizen to own a 100 round drum clip. The military doesn't even use such equipment.

In NYC there is, or used to be, a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Second Amendment advocates denounced those restrictions. I'm not sure of the efficacy of such a law.

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Automatic weapons are illegal everywhere, so I don't know why you've mentioned them.

Actually they aren't, but you need a special permet to own them.

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Actually they aren't, but you need a special permet to own them.

I was always under the impression that they were illegal for private citizens to own, but I see that you can own them with a special Class III permit in most states.

You learn something new every day.