Obama - Socialist/Marxist !!!

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I will offer you a comparison to Obama's Progressive agenda 2012 and the Marxist (Communist) Goals since 1958

Obama - 48 million food stamp recipients - NO JOBS
Marxist - Get citizens dependent on the Government

Obama - Obamacare violates religious and civil liberty
Marxist - undermine the U.S. Constitution

Obama- Cut nuclear force to 300 weapons
Marxist - Weaken America through disarmament

Obama - Aid 81 Progressive Democrats in Congress
Marxist - Inflitrate one of both political parties

Obama - Use media to push Progressive agenda
M - Gain control of the media

O - Glorify homoxexual "marriage"
M - Discredit the "traditional" family

O - allow open homosexuality in our military
M - Show homosexxuality as Normal and Healthy

O - Force taxpayer funding for abortions
M Break down cultural and moral standards

For plenty more, start reading every Communist book you can get your hands on!! Everthing Obama believes and stands for is listed in these type of books. This is so simple (like two plus two) I cannot understand anyone who does not get it at this point. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

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I will offer you a comparison to Obama's Progressive agenda 2012 and the Marxist (Communist) Goals since 1958

Obama - 48 million food stamp recipients - NO JOBS
Marxist - Get citizens dependent on the Government

Obama - Obamacare violates religious and civil liberty
Marxist - undermine the U.S. Constitution

Obama- Cut nuclear force to 300 weapons
Marxist - Weaken America through disarmament

Obama - Aid 81 Progressive Democrats in Congress
Marxist - Inflitrate one of both political parties

Obama - Use media to push Progressive agenda
M - Gain control of the media

O - Glorify homoxexual "marriage"
M - Discredit the "traditional" family

O - allow open homosexuality in our military
M - Show homosexxuality as Normal and Healthy

O - Force taxpayer funding for abortions
M Break down cultural and moral standards

For plenty more, start reading every Communist book you can get your hands on!! Everthing Obama believes and stands for is listed in these type of books. This is so simple (like two plus two) I cannot understand anyone who does not get it at this point. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

Can you reference these "Communist" books?

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Rubbish. What do you actually mean by "communism"? It is very different in countries like Cuba, to China, to the Soviet Union, to East Germany. It depends a lot on the history of these individual countries.

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I will offer you a comparison to Obama's Progressive agenda 2012 and the Marxist (Communist) Goals since 1958

Obama - 48 million food stamp recipients - NO JOBS
Marxist - Get citizens dependent on the Government

Obama - Obamacare violates religious and civil liberty
Marxist - undermine the U.S. Constitution

Obama- Cut nuclear force to 300 weapons
Marxist - Weaken America through disarmament

Obama - Aid 81 Progressive Democrats in Congress
Marxist - Inflitrate one of both political parties

Obama - Use media to push Progressive agenda
M - Gain control of the media

O - Glorify homoxexual "marriage"
M - Discredit the "traditional" family

O - allow open homosexuality in our military
M - Show homosexxuality as Normal and Healthy

O - Force taxpayer funding for abortions
M Break down cultural and moral standards

For plenty more, start reading every Communist book you can get your hands on!! Everthing Obama believes and stands for is listed in these type of books. This is so simple (like two plus two) I cannot understand anyone who does not get it at this point. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

This is going to be very interesting when a printout of this posting is shown to the Republican Headquarters at Lake Sumter Landing. It will show how some of their members are extremists.

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Apparently the tea party had a very productive meeting last night.

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Apparently the tea party had a very productive meeting last night.

You mean a very propaganda meeting last night. barf

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I will offer you a comparison to Obama's Progressive agenda 2012 and the Marxist (Communist) Goals since 1958

Obama - 48 million food stamp recipients - NO JOBS
Marxist - Get citizens dependent on the Government

Obama - Obamacare violates religious and civil liberty
Marxist - undermine the U.S. Constitution

Obama- Cut nuclear force to 300 weapons
Marxist - Weaken America through disarmament

Obama - Aid 81 Progressive Democrats in Congress
Marxist - Inflitrate one of both political parties

Obama - Use media to push Progressive agenda
M - Gain control of the media

O - Glorify homoxexual "marriage"
M - Discredit the "traditional" family

O - allow open homosexuality in our military
M - Show homosexxuality as Normal and Healthy

O - Force taxpayer funding for abortions
M Break down cultural and moral standards

For plenty more, start reading every Communist book you can get your hands on!! Everthing Obama believes and stands for is listed in these type of books. This is so simple (like two plus two) I cannot understand anyone who does not get it at this point. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

Outrageously foolish analogy, even for an ultra conservative biased Republican.

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scary to think people really believe this rubbish

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Can you reference these "Communist" books?

Of course I can quote some books but I'm sure you won't read them!!!

Start out with The communist manifesto (Obama's favorite) Spread the wealth comes right out of that one!!

READ "THE NAKED COMMUNIST" by Cleon Skousen

read Obamas book "Dreams of my father" Hear his words from his own mouth. who he hung out with , the marxist professors, etc... Oh what's the point, you still won't get it??? Study the background of all the czars he appointed. (of course you won't) but a very good suggestion for those who are STILL CLUELESS.

Get yourself a nice glass of Kool-aid, a nice quiet place by the pool and start reading and AFTER you read it come back and tell us the similarities between the goals of the communists and the goals of the left wing liberals.

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Of the above FACTS which one are you having the most difficulty with?? 48 million people ARE ON FOOD STAMPS. **fact** This is the Food Stamp President which means more dependency on government the better. fact** (get it??) The only jobs that were created recently were GOVERNMENT JOBS. fact*** GET IT??) Forcing homosexuality to be accepted as normal and healthy is being introducted into your schools (even Marion Co now with the 6 year olds) **Fact** Cultural and moral standards have been broken down?? Can you debate any of the above?? OF COURSE NOT - THEY ARE ALL FOUNDED AND ABSOLUTELY TRUE!! Fact based as you libs like to say!!

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I will offer you a comparison to Obama's Progressive agenda 2012 and the Marxist (Communist) Goals since 1958

Obama - 48 million food stamp recipients - NO JOBS
Marxist - Get citizens dependent on the Government

Obama - Obamacare violates religious and civil liberty
Marxist - undermine the U.S. Constitution

Obama- Cut nuclear force to 300 weapons
Marxist - Weaken America through disarmament

Obama - Aid 81 Progressive Democrats in Congress
Marxist - Inflitrate one of both political parties

Obama - Use media to push Progressive agenda
M - Gain control of the media

O - Glorify homoxexual "marriage"
M - Discredit the "traditional" family

O - allow open homosexuality in our military
M - Show homosexxuality as Normal and Healthy

O - Force taxpayer funding for abortions
M Break down cultural and moral standards

For plenty more, start reading every Communist book you can get your hands on!! Everthing Obama believes and stands for is listed in these type of books. This is so simple (like two plus two) I cannot understand anyone who does not get it at this point. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

It is rubbish like this that will drive independents away. Keep up the radical rhetoric if you would like to see Obama reelected.

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If all the personal comments were pruned out of this thread, there would be nothing left.

Discuss the topic and not the poster, please.

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Of the above FACTS which one are you having the most difficulty with?? 48 million people ARE ON FOOD STAMPS. **fact** This is the Food Stamp President which means more dependency on government the better. fact** (get it??) The only jobs that were created recently were GOVERNMENT JOBS. fact*** GET IT??) Forcing homosexuality to be accepted as normal and healthy is being introducted into your schools (even Marion Co now with the 6 year olds) **Fact** Cultural and moral standards have been broken down?? Can you debate any of the above?? OF COURSE NOT - THEY ARE ALL FOUNDED AND ABSOLUTELY TRUE!! Fact based as you libs like to say!!

Most of these issues are due to a do nothing Congress with the exception of the school homosexuality and that can't be pinned on POTUS.

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I will offer you a comparison to Obama's Progressive agenda 2012 and the Marxist (Communist) Goals since 1958

Obama - 48 million food stamp recipients - NO JOBS
Marxist - Get citizens dependent on the Government

Obama - Obamacare violates religious and civil liberty
Marxist - undermine the U.S. Constitution

Obama- Cut nuclear force to 300 weapons
Marxist - Weaken America through disarmament

Obama - Aid 81 Progressive Democrats in Congress
Marxist - Inflitrate one of both political parties

Obama - Use media to push Progressive agenda
M - Gain control of the media

O - Glorify homoxexual "marriage"
M - Discredit the "traditional" family

O - allow open homosexuality in our military
M - Show homosexxuality as Normal and Healthy

O - Force taxpayer funding for abortions
M Break down cultural and moral standards

For plenty more, start reading every Communist book you can get your hands on!! Everthing Obama believes and stands for is listed in these type of books. This is so simple (like two plus two) I cannot understand anyone who does not get it at this point. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

Could you please expand on the 81 Progressive Democrats who are communists, as first mentioned by Congressman Allen West? I would be interested to see if my congressman is on that list.

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I will offer you a comparison to Obama's Progressive agenda 2012 and the Marxist (Communist) Goals since 1958

Obama - 48 million food stamp recipients - NO JOBS
Marxist - Get citizens dependent on the Government

Obama - Obamacare violates religious and civil liberty
Marxist - undermine the U.S. Constitution

Obama- Cut nuclear force to 300 weapons
Marxist - Weaken America through disarmament

Obama - Aid 81 Progressive Democrats in Congress
Marxist - Inflitrate one of both political parties

Obama - Use media to push Progressive agenda
M - Gain control of the media

O - Glorify homoxexual "marriage"
M - Discredit the "traditional" family

O - allow open homosexuality in our military
M - Show homosexxuality as Normal and Healthy

O - Force taxpayer funding for abortions
M Break down cultural and moral standards

For plenty more, start reading every Communist book you can get your hands on!! Everthing Obama believes and stands for is listed in these type of books. This is so simple (like two plus two) I cannot understand anyone who does not get it at this point. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

hulababy Marxist always deny their actions... that is how they are able to take away freedoms a little at a time without people noticing

Each of the above-referenced comparison brings to mind that legal latin phrase "Res ipsa loquitor"...the thinks speaks for itself". Each of the above-referenced examples speaks to the capablability of these practices destroying a morally free enterprise society.

Thank you for this information. One more thing notice how so many of these tactics are popular. Popular is easy to argue..deceiving but easy and most people like easy.

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I might agree with that - if I knew what you were talking about.

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Hulababy says, "Forcing homosexuality to be accepted as normal and healthy is being introducted into your schools (even Marion Co now with the 6 year olds) **Fact** Cultural and moral standards have been broken down?? Can you debate any of the above?? OF COURSE NOT - THEY ARE ALL FOUNDED AND ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!"
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Two things, Hulababy.

1. Dick Cheney's one daughter is a lesbian and got married a short time ago to another woman. Cheney's reaction was, "Former Vice President Dick Cheney has expressed his delight that his lesbian daughter Mary married her longtime partner Heather Poe on Friday.

“Mary and Heather have been in a committed relationship for many years, and we are delighted that they were able to take advantage of the opportunity to have that relationship recognized,” Cheney and his wife, Lynne, said in a statement.

2. Astronaut - and national hero - Sally Ride, who died yesterday at age 61 from cancer - was a lesbian. She and her partner had a committed relationship for 27 years.

What reaction would you have, Hulababy, if your son or daughter said they were going to marry a same-sex partner? Would you still love and support him/her or disown them? Think about it and then answer.

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If all the personal comments were pruned out of this thread, there would be nothing left.

Discuss the topic and not the poster, please.

Seriously..............Please note which side of the political aisle all these personal attacks come from. It's always the same.

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Buggyone... If my child was a homosexual, of course, I would still love him/her. Would I think they were living a normal healthy lifestyle, noooo.

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EXACTLY MY POINT. The Marxist goals are to BREAK down the family. They want to discredit the traditional family. One less father, one more mother on government assistance!! majority of single women will vote for Obama. Do you have to ask yourself WHY?? Feminize the Men!! Take away our freedoms a little at a time is correct so people don't realize what you are doing. Break away from religion, morals, and values a little at a time until you have a society that doesn't even value a traditional family any longer. anything goes, anywhere, anyhow. You've been brainwashed for so long now you think Adam and Adam is Normal. How sad.

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Hulababy says, "Forcing homosexuality to be accepted as normal and healthy is being introducted into your schools (even Marion Co now with the 6 year olds) **Fact** Cultural and moral standards have been broken down?? Can you debate any of the above?? OF COURSE NOT - THEY ARE ALL FOUNDED AND ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!"
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Two things, Hulababy.

1. Dick Cheney's one daughter is a lesbian and got married a short time ago to another woman. Cheney's reaction was, "Former Vice President Dick Cheney has expressed his delight that his lesbian daughter Mary married her longtime partner Heather Poe on Friday.

“Mary and Heather have been in a committed relationship for many years, and we are delighted that they were able to take advantage of the opportunity to have that relationship recognized,” Cheney and his wife, Lynne, said in a statement.

2. Astronaut - and national hero - Sally Ride, who died yesterday at age 61 from cancer - was a lesbian. She and her partner had a committed relationship for 27 years.

What reaction would you have, Hulababy, if your son or daughter said they were going to marry a same-sex partner? Would you still love and support him/her or disown them? Think about it and then answer.

buggyone: I see what you are saying as a one dimensional view. If a family member of mine were homosexual I would always love them (the person). However I would not accept their homosexuality and if they march in one of those Gay Pride Parades dressed like the joke of the week I would suggest they not visit me in the future as it would be too much to take for me.

The Gay Agenda as was posted on TOTV sometime back included a memo
in 1986 explaining how they would go about moving forward utilizing Hollywood to portray them as a legitimate and alternate lifestyle, etc. As you will note every movie TV show etc includes homosexuality and/or homosexuals couples. The obvious intent is to get people use to see them as blending in as all american. all it has done for me is to shut out such shows

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Fear and loathing. :yuck:

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To all the liberals before you say any more please study how Hitler took over Germany and destroyed it. That is where we will end up one day. You ridicule what people say on this forum but you really don't understand what you are saying. I'm not saying the right is any better but the way things are going this country can't last is that what you want for your grand kids if you have any. Please educate yourselves before you agree with some one just to agree. You have two choices basically don't blow it.

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that is basically what the comparison I gave was intended to provoke. A thought process going on to fundamentally change America. To get them to realize that Yes History repeats itself Doug. That there is a REASON behind making us THINK that homosexuality is a healthy lifestyle however that couldn't be further from the truth. I gave a specific book title when it was requested and the goals are all listed in the book and if they can read the book and NOT understand what is going on then perhaps there is no hope for them. I did NOT start this thread with intentions of talking about HOMOsexuality as that is a topic alone we could discuss in length. It was an overview, a comparison I wanted them to see. We should NOT be teaching 6 yr olds about condoms nor should we be teaching them about Mommy and Mommy at home. We should be educating our children about the Constitution and what made our country exceptional. We should be encouraging our children to become inventors, entrepreneurs (which we leaned last week Obama HATES) Barrack Obama does NOT believe our country is exceptional. He wants us to be like every other 3rd world country in the world as his "apology tours" exhibited right from the beginning. It's all in "black and white" If it talks like a socialist, studies marxism, and is all about Change they will be the sheep being led to the slaughter. It's just a matter of time.

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Still waiting for that list of 81 communist congress people.

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i think allan west was referring to the members of congress who belong to an organization called Democratic Socialists of America...i think this membership can be googled but not sure.

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buggyone: I see what you are saying as a one dimensional view. If a family member of mine were homosexual I would always love them (the person). However I would not accept their homosexuality and if they march in one of those Gay Pride Parades dressed like the joke of the week I would suggest they not visit me in the future as it would be too much to take for me.

The Gay Agenda as was posted on TOTV sometime back included a memo
in 1986 explaining how they would go about moving forward utilizing Hollywood to portray them as a legitimate and alternate lifestyle, etc. As you will note every movie TV show etc includes homosexuality and/or homosexuals couples. The obvious intent is to get people use to see them as blending in as all american. all it has done for me is to shut out such shows

Quite a revealing post and not to your credit - but at least you did attempt to answer the question. The question was whether or not you would still love and accept your child if the child told you they were going to marry a same-sex person? You may have another bite at the question, if you wish.

The question was really posed to Hulababy who did not answer one way or another.

I guess we could add to the question, "Sally Ride was a lesbian with a partner for the last 27 years. Do you think she was an American hero even though she was a lesbian?"

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Who was governor of the first state in the US to allow same sex marriage?
Ding, ding, ding. You are correct. It was Governor Mitt Romney. This must be quite a dilemna for all you tea party types.

Romney also passed an assault weapons ban in 2004, which is still in place today. Tough one for the concealed weapons carriers to swallow.

Romney also passed the health care law with the individual mandate, and polls show people of Massachusetts actually approve of it.

When Romney ran for the senate against Ted Kennedy, he was pro-choice.
What is there about this guy that tea partiers identify with?

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Who was governor of the first state in the US to allow same sex marriage?
Ding, ding, ding. You are correct. It was Governor Mitt Romney. This must be quite a dilemna for all you tea party types.

Romney also passed an assault weapons ban in 2004, which is still in place today. Tough one for the concealed weapons carriers to swallow.

Romney also passed the health care law with the individual mandate, and polls show people of Massachusetts actually approve of it.

When Romney ran for the senate against Ted Kennedy, he was pro-choice.
What is there about this guy that tea partiers identify with?

Could the magic words be FLIP-FLOP?

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I think the Republican Party would be ashamed of the rhetoric put forth on this thread by one of their own loyal members.

It certainly does not show a good side of them and leads the reasonable person to vote in the opposite party.

I know the Tri-County Tea Party apologized last year when one of their members made racially hate talk during one of the events (Chili Cook Off) here in The Villages when it was made known to them.

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As I said earlier, keep up the prejudiced right wing rhetoric and you will cause millions of independents to move to Obama.

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As I said earlier, keep up the prejudiced right wing rhetoric and you will cause millions of independents to move to Obama.

Independents are moving to Romney by a double digit factor.

Democrat strategy if failing miserably.

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Seriously..............Please note which side of the political aisle all these personal attacks come from. It's always the same.

Blinders adjusted?

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Blinders adjusted?

Don't need blinders because I can read. The evidence is all above.

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As I said earlier, keep up the prejudiced right wing rhetoric and you will cause millions of independents to move to Obama.

The above comment is important.

Call it Marxism, Socialism or Communism, they are all 'hot button' terms we've been taught to hate, fear or at least be suspicious of since we were little kids. So naturally a thread using those terms to describe the President has a high emotional tone.

History could not be more clear in proving that large scale experiments in communism or socialism do not work. They run counter to human nature by suppressing individuality, the desire to achieve and elements of free choice. But if we are going to be objective, and despite how much we have been taught to love and respect capitalism, in it's pure forms it also has proven unworkable. The founding fathers were certain the American experiment would fail dismally unless there was a government strong enough to insure all of the enumerated rights of individuals.

The United States has always been a blend of capitalism and socialism. Everyone understands and accepts that unless they are so frightened of the word 'socialism' as to be in total denial of it's existence. Law enforcement and the courts, public schools, hospitals, community centers, etc. are just a few examples of socialism, necessary and supported everywhere.

So it is no surprise that the two consensus choices for President in 2012 are both Capitalist/Socialists. The Republican primary electorate would simply not support a real conservative, so the all hopes are now pinned on a 'moderate'. The moderate is one who espouses a good deal of the socialist agenda, not the least of which is government supported and regulated health care delivery system. No amount of emphasis on his experience as a capitalist businessman can change that.

Blowing smoke about "Marxism" and "Socialism" doesn't fool anyone anymore, and when it is part of the agenda of Romney supporters, it makes others hesitant to align themselves with a candidate who appeals to such extremists.

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Karl Rove's Early Electoral Map: OBAMA WINS - Business Insider (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-26/politics/31404554_1_barack-obama-electoral-map-electoral-votes)


ElectoralVote (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)


RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html)

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Karl Rove's Early Electoral Map: OBAMA WINS - Business Insider (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-26/politics/31404554_1_barack-obama-electoral-map-electoral-votes)


ElectoralVote (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)


RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html)

Romney more trusted by 61% to run the economy over Obama.

What do you think is going to be the deciding factor in November?

Game over?

Poll: Romney preferred over Obama to handle the economy (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-23/poll-romney-obama-economy/56439758/1)

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Romney more trusted by 61% to run the economy over Obama.

What do you think is going to be the deciding factor in November?

Game over?

Poll: Romney preferred over Obama to handle the economy (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-23/poll-romney-obama-economy/56439758/1)

Richie, you are savvy enough to know that polls taken now will mean nothing come November.

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Richie, you are savvy enough to know that polls taken now will mean nothing come November.

You guys always say this except if the polls bolster your own argument.

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You guys always say this except if the polls bolster your own argument.

I don't know who "you guys" are, but I am saying it about any electoral poll.

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I don't know who "you guys" are, but I am saying it about any electoral poll.

I say "you guys" in the context that YOU posted your comment in response to my linking a poll favorable to Romney, when the previous polls purporting to give Obama any advantage was ignored by "you guys".

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It is rubbish like this that will drive independents away. Keep up the radical rhetoric if you would like to see Obama reelected.

is there anything on that list that you would call blatantly untrue?

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has anyone bothered to google the Democratic Socialists of America and find the list of 70 congressmen and 11 judicial members? just ask the question on google and it will come up. apparently, many on the left think socialism is just dandy. many conservatives do not.

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They can't help themselves.

http://whitehouse2012.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/obama-with-sheep.jpg

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I am still waiting from HulaBaby for an answer to my question. In case you forgot,

"1. Dick Cheney's one daughter is a lesbian and got married a short time ago to another woman. Cheney's reaction was, "Former Vice President Dick Cheney has expressed his delight that his lesbian daughter Mary married her longtime partner Heather Poe on Friday.

“Mary and Heather have been in a committed relationship for many years, and we are delighted that they were able to take advantage of the opportunity to have that relationship recognized,” Cheney and his wife, Lynne, said in a statement.

2. Astronaut - and national hero - Sally Ride, who died yesterday at age 61 from cancer - was a lesbian. She and her partner had a committed relationship for 27 years.

What reaction would you have, Hulababy, if your son or daughter said they were going to marry a same-sex partner? Would you still love and support him/her or disown them? Think about it and then answer.

Also, what do you think of a lesbian being called a national hero?

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I am still waiting from HulaBaby for an answer to my question. In case you forgot,

"1. Dick Cheney's one daughter is a lesbian and got married a short time ago to another woman. Cheney's reaction was, "Former Vice President Dick Cheney has expressed his delight that his lesbian daughter Mary married her longtime partner Heather Poe on Friday.

“Mary and Heather have been in a committed relationship for many years, and we are delighted that they were able to take advantage of the opportunity to have that relationship recognized,” Cheney and his wife, Lynne, said in a statement.

2. Astronaut - and national hero - Sally Ride, who died yesterday at age 61 from cancer - was a lesbian. She and her partner had a committed relationship for 27 years.

What reaction would you have, Hulababy, if your son or daughter said they were going to marry a same-sex partner? Would you still love and support him/her or disown them? Think about it and then answer.

Also, what do you think of a lesbian being called a national hero?

What did I miss??

A discussion on the Marxist transformation of the party historically identified as "Democrat" has now become a discussion on our "feelings" about homosexual unions within our own families?


OK, I went back and found it Buddy. You were answered in posts #19 & #20. I forgot that interlude of yours.

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What did I miss??

A discussion on the Marxist transformation of the party historically identified as "Democrat" has now become a discussion on our "feelings" about homosexual unions within our own families?

Yeah, you missed about 2 pages from HulaBaby who was upset at the HOMOsexual (her wording) teachings in school. She has not given any answer yet - and probably will not.

I know your viewpoints on this, Richie.

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Yeah, you missed about 2 pages from HulaBaby who was upset at the HOMOsexual (her wording) teachings in school. She has not given any answer yet - and probably will not.

I know your viewpoints on this, Richie.

I think she agreed with Sally Jo that she would love the sinner, but not the sin.

It's a Christian belief that you have to have tolerance for.

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Nope, no one answered if they would still love their child if they said they were going to marry a same sex partner. They stated if their child was a homosexual but not to the marrying part. At least Cheney had the cajones to write a press release about that - even though it was probably false.

No one answered the Sally Ride part of the question either.

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Nope, no one answered if they would still love their child if they said they were going to marry a same sex partner. They stated if their child was a homosexual but not to the marrying part. At least Cheney had the cajones to write a press release about that - even though it was probably false.

No one answered the Sally Ride part of the question either.

I still think my answer above accurately reflects the view of any devout Christian.

You love the sinner, but not the sin.

It's not too difficult to understand.

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buggyone.. I guess I didn't say specifically about a same sex marriage. My answer is the same.

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buggyone, liberals always try to make conservatives seem as if they hate homosexuals, and that is not true...we all know homosexual people who are sweet and kind and we want them to be protected by civil unions in regard to those they love. we just do not want the historic, religious meaning of marriage changed to accomodate their "different" lifestyle. this is no different than not accepting tri-way marriages, marriages of children etc...marriage is between one man and one woman for the purpose of nurturing a family, which is the backbone of society...this liberalism is just another way to destroy religious values upon which society is based. why? because there are those who would prefer the masses depend on govt rather than on family and God. homosexuals are just being used as their pawns. it is sad that they do not see this.

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buggyone, liberals always try to make conservatives seem as if they hate homosexuals, and that is not true...we all know homosexual people who are sweet and kind and we want them to be protected by civil unions in regard to those they love. we just do not want the historic, religious meaning of marriage changed to accomodate their "different" lifestyle. this is no different than not accepting tri-way marriages, marriages of children etc...marriage is between one man and one woman for the purpose of nurturing a family, which is the backbone of society...this liberalism is just another way to destroy religious values upon which society is based. why? because there are those who would prefer the masses depend on govt rather than on family and God. homosexuals are just being used as their pawns. it is sad that they do not see this.

ChaCha, I presume you were a staunch Dick Cheney supporter. What do you feel about his statement about being glad Mary was able to get married?

What do you feel about Sally Ride, a lesbian, being called a national hero?

Personally, I feel that a civil union for gays and lesbians is the same as a traditional Justice of the Peace wedding for straight couples. It is a civil ceremony but is still called a marriage. Why not allow that for gays and lesbians - and have them afforded ALL the legal benefits of a traditional (straight couple) marriage?

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Population control

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Population control

Hahahaha, that's a hoot. Anybody reading about the Chinese and them raising Blue Hell about forced abortions? Dude, everybody loves tight bluejeans and rock n roll. They all come to our ways. Some to make a buck, others to ride the gravy train. The only, only threat to our way of life is the Muslim extremist. When we wake up to that, maybe our Grandchildren will be safe.

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buggyone, you drive me buggy! you do not respond to any of my points about the calculated destruction of the foundations of our society, you just want to know how i feel about dick cheney and sally ride! if you had understood my post, you would deduce that i do not care about dick cheney supporting his daughter, that is a natural parental role. and i certainly take nothing away from sally ride's accomplishments because she was a lesbian.
but none of that means i want the definition of marriage changed. as david brookes said in a very good article in playboy "you have to honor the things that have lasted" (paraphrased)

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when 50% of all marriages end in divorce it doesn't seem like they last too long.

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Statistics show that same sex marriages last longer than traditional marriages.

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You're the one who kept asking her over and over what she believes and when she very nicely tells you, your only response is venom.

Totally insufferable.

(now I'll probably get whacked for having the audacity to call you on it)

I don't think that Lucca Brazzi or Tony Soprano is going to get a job over this matter.

I do not care to hear the regressive natterings of the tea party nor of the John Birchers. The USA is a forward thinking country and we do not need to go back to the 1950's.

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Sometimes I really think you have no idea what you're talking about.

Your post make no sense to me whatsoever.

It all says nothing except that you don't know how else to respond when traditional American ideas and values are advanced to you.

So you pointlessly mock and ridicule without even your usual humor.

I say this with kindness.

There was no mocking or ridicule in my post. It was fact. The viewpoints put forth by the Tea Party and the "I see a communist everywhere in government" posters (i.e. John Birchers) are regressive back to the thinking and ideas of the 1950's Joe McCarthy era.

The USA is a country that is forward thinking instead of going backwards.

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buggyone, we are so advanced and progressive now that the vitriol over Chick-Fil-A has resulted in the heart attack and death of its public relations head in Atlanta...there is so much visciousness and deviseness and lack of human decency and respect for others' beliefs that our entire society is probably too far gone to ever regain what we once cherished as Americans. you see this as welcome progress? sorry, i do not. and it is the relentless push of liberalism to destroy our religious and traditional values that has brought this all on. i don't know why i bother looking at these posts!

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Apparently the tea party had a very productive meeting last night.

I wonder if they are serving tea...............or is it Kool Aide.

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There was no mocking or ridicule in my post. It was fact. The viewpoints put forth by the Tea Party and the "I see a communist everywhere in government" posters (i.e. John Birchers) are regressive back to the thinking and ideas of the 1950's Joe McCarthy era.

The USA is a country that is forward thinking instead of going backwards.

Ahh yes - the fifties! What a great time for a white man. No civil rights troubles - they knew their place; never heard about homosexuals - the word gay meant happy! Pre- women's lib - women wore bras (which were unmentionables). Of course marginal tax rates were much much higher than today, but those were good times!

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You obviously have zero knowledge about the Tea Party and thus your post is just ignorant of any substance.

The bigotry here is yours alone.


No bigotry on my part. Just facts. One poster titled her post "Give me the 50's anytime." That is regressive thinking. Can you disprove that? Some Tea Party people want to take the country back in time 50 or 60 years. We have to move FORWARD.

I have a decent knowledge of the Tea Party. I copied a good link you should read and it is from the Tea Party. Look at all the subjects on it. Does not look like the kind of political affiliation I would belong to ever.
Tea Party Patriots - Official Home of the American Tea Party Movement (http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/)

Eweissenbach has some good memories of the '50's. I remember being in grade school and having air raid drills, later people had bomb shelters in their basements - and Joe McCarthy was raging about Communists in Hollywood and the State Department.

Ah, yes, those were the days!

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Ahh yes - the fifties! What a great time for a white man. No civil rights troubles - they knew their place; never heard about homosexuals - the word gay meant happy! Pre- women's lib - women wore bras (which were unmentionables). Of course marginal tax rates were much much higher than today, but those were good times!

And that is just the way simple minded, right wing, religious fanatics wanted it and are trying so hard to return to the control of the Rich White Man. They are so like the Muslim extremist that they fear so much. I am not talking to anyone directly, so please show me the same courtesy.

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And that is just the way simple minded, right wing, religious fanatics wanted it and are trying so hard to return to the control of the Rich White Man. They are so like the Muslim extremist that they fear so much. I am not talking to anyone directly, so please show me the same courtesy.

OK, I am not talking to you directly.

This is just to the general public out there, and not directed to you.

To compare the religious right to Muslim extremists by anybody, is one of the most ignorant ideas I've heard to date. It's backed up by no logic at all, IMHO.

Now, if we were talking about the religious left, there might be a better argument. The religious left has been virtually subjugating and devaluing minorities in this country for years, by cheating them of their own sense of self worth by urging them to be dependent on the state.

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No bigotry on my part. Just facts. One poster titled her post "Give me the 50's anytime." That is regressive thinking. Can you disprove that? Some Tea Party people want to take the country back in time 50 or 60 years. We have to move FORWARD.

I have a decent knowledge of the Tea Party. I copied a good link you should read and it is from the Tea Party. Look at all the subjects on it. Does not look like the kind of political affiliation I would belong to ever.
Tea Party Patriots - Official Home of the American Tea Party Movement (http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/)

Eweissenbach has some good memories of the '50's. I remember being in grade school and having air raid drills, later people had bomb shelters in their basements - and Joe McCarthy was raging about Communists in Hollywood and the State Department.

Ah, yes, those were the days!

I don't know. I grew up in the inner city in the fifties and went to school with many minorities. All my friends in school who were of minority status had both a mother and father at home, with the father generally being the breadwinner just like in my family. Every Sunday I saw them with their families in the same church I went to.

Now because of the influence of the liberal factions of this country in trying to provide everything to all people, over 70% of minority children grow up in single parent homes.

Is this your improved new world?

You can have it. You earned it.

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Maybe your right and they should be ashamed of themselves for being poor or being born a minority. I just Disagree with that way of thinking.

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OK, I am not talking to you directly.

This is just to the general public out there, and not directed to you.

To compare the religious right to Muslim extremists by anybody, is one of the most ignorant ideas I've heard to date. It's backed up by no logic at all, IMHO.

Now, if we were talking about the religious left, there might be a better argument. The religious left has been virtually subjugating and devaluing minorities in this country for years, by cheating them of their own sense of self worth by urging them to be dependent on the state.

What is the "religious left"? Could it be the churches that give aid and comfort to the poor?

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Good point, :ohdear:

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Statistics show that same sex marriages last longer than traditional marriages.

Could you please cite your authority here? Is there a possibility that same sex relationships are more tolerate of their partners wandering off. Are Rosie O'donnell and ellen DeGeneris examples of your affirmative statement?

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I don't think that Lucca Brazzi or Tony Soprano is going to get a job over this matter.

I do not care to hear the regressive natterings of the tea party nor of the John Birchers. The USA is a forward thinking country and we do not need to go back to the 1950's.

buggyone: Perhaps we do need to go back to the 1950's. You have swallowed hook line and sinker the propaganda being promoted by Marsahll Kirk and Erastes Pill in their November 1987 missive " Overhauling Straight America" a missive posted on this forum in the past by one of its members. It is too lengthy to quote here by pont by point. It is being implemented for instance in Hollywood's portrays of gay and gay realtionships and frequency in every movie, sitcom reality show etc and it is done being for the obvous reason to make it seem allso normal and all american. It is against military code to have the military in uniform participate in anything by military ceremonies yet uniformed military participated in the Gay Pride complements of....... It just shows you how far this propaganda has spread and the pressure being placed on politicians in this country. Politicians with no backbone by the way

There are not many things that can get the hairs on the back of my neck to stand up but this issue is one. CHACHACHA was spot on with her post. You seem to forget it is "Adam and Eve" not "Adam and Evan". To define marriage as anything other than between a man and a woman is going to open a pandora's box as to other claims to be made. This great nation was built on family as a unit. Statistics have shown that children do better being reared by a mother and a father.

I am not buying into a gay lifesyle as normal and just an alternative lifestyle. It is unnatural and whether it is a child of mine or not I will not accept them sleeping side by side with a member of the same sex. Its wrong wrong wrong.

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buggyone: Perhaps we do need to go back to the 1950's. You have swallowed hook line and sinker the propaganda being promoted by Marsahll Kirk and Erastes Pill in their November 1987 missive " Overhauling Straight America" a missive posted on this forum in the past by one of its members. It is too lengthy to quote here by pont by point. It is being implemented for instance in Hollywood's portrays of gay and gay realtionships and frequency in every movie, sitcom reality show etc and it is done being for the obvous reason to make it seem allso normal and all american. It is against military code to have the military in uniform participate in anything by military ceremonies yet uniformed military participated in the Gay Pride complements of....... It just shows you how far this propaganda has spread and the pressure being placed on politicians in this country. Politicians with no backbone by the way

There are not many things that can get the hairs on the back of my neck to stand up but this issue is one. CHACHACHA was spot on with her post. You seem to forget it is "Adam and Eve" not "Adam and Evan". To define marriage as anything other than between a man and a woman is going to open a pandora's box as to other claims to be made. This great nation was built on family as a unit. Statistics have shown that children do better being reared by a mother and a father.

I am not buying into a gay lifesyle as normal and just an alternative lifestyle. It is unnatural and whether it is a child of mine or not I will not accept them sleeping side by side with a member of the same sex. Its wrong wrong wrong.

Yes Rubi, back to the fifties when straight white men were firmly in control.