Lawn ornament police

[Bobcuse]

I live in Pennecamp in an area known as Jacaranda Island and received a visit this morning from a member of the Code Enforcement Police, who almost sheepishly apologized for bothering me with such a trivial request, but requested that I remove the two attractive metal artifical birds which we had in our bushes in front of our home. These birds cost approximately $100 which I only mention to emphasize that they were not cheap nor gaudy ornaments but rather subtle and in good taste. He told me that someone had driven around and noted the addresses of every single house on our street and in homes this area if they had any lawn ornaments whatsoever, and reported them to Code Enforcement. He assumes that the person reporting everyone had been turned in themselves and were seeking some sort of revenge or retribution. It sure is frustrating when your neighbors decorate tastefully and enjoy each others decor but someone from outside your area can ruin it for everyone. I understand the rules and the reason why such rules exist, but people who seek vengenge in mass only perpetuate bitter feelings in an otherwise enjoyable lifestyle here in The Villages. Very disappointing.

[Boudicca]

I live in Buttonwood and had the same complaint lodged against me for the very same birds which were similarly "roosting" amid shrubs on the side of the house........ go figure.

[JoeC1947]

. He assumes that the person reporting everyone had been turned in themselves and were seeking some sort of revenge or retribution. .

Nuff said.

[RedChariot]

This is why some do not want to live in a community such as TV. A bunch of old people who have nothing else to do but be concerned about lawn ornaments. Really! Who ever you are out there that does this, I am speaking to you. How did this happen to you? How is it that you grew old and bitter? I agree that we are smashed to close together and can infringe on each others space, but a lawn ornament? Come on.

[gerryann]

Wow, that's sad and scary that a small tasteful accent has to be removed. I admit that I do not care for the homes that have stuff...stuff...and more stuff outside. (I have a relative in California that cheapens their beautiful home by doing this).

I have a tiny 6" angel that was given to me when my newborn granddaughter passed. I have had the angel in my front yard at every residence for the last 6 years. I guess maybe she will have to go in the back.

[quirky3]

Seems illogical to me to buy a home south of Route 466, sign off on the regulations, and then express outrage that the regulations are enforced. Sounds like peoples' expectations are out of line with that reality. The rules apply equally to everyone. I understand that some people may not like it, but I don't understand why people are surprised by that.

[Posh 08]

I know about the yard art rule and accept it. When we move there we have a choice. Live in the areas that do not allow or move to the old section which does. If you start with the "little" exceptions, where do you stop?

[lovesports]

We bought in 2005. That was before it was complaint driven and I swear everyone was told everything had to be removed.
In some cases it was very expensive sculptures that looked beautiful. Your grass had to look perfect and no stones were allowed. Now we look at all the stuff allowed and we remember what we had to throw away when everything was too much. My neighbor had 6 inch bunnies and were told they had to go...
We all thought it strange that community watch seemed to be just lawn police. If you called about a burglary taking place, they would tell you a shift change was coming and it would be an hour before anybody came! No burglary takes 2 hours.
I think it is better today....This place just got too big to keep looking for 6 inch bunnies. Now it seems a lot depends on your neighbors. But telling on each other is never a good idea, to make for happy neighbors.

[Indydealmaker]

I live in Pennecamp in an area known as Jacaranda Island and received a visit this morning from a member of the Code Enforcement Police, who almost sheepishly apologized for bothering me with such a trivial request, but requested that I remove the two attractive metal artifical birds which we had in our bushes in front of our home. These birds cost approximately $100 which I only mention to emphasize that they were not cheap nor gaudy ornaments but rather subtle and in good taste. He told me that someone had driven around and noted the addresses of every single house on our street and in homes this area if they had any lawn ornaments whatsoever, and reported them to Code Enforcement. He assumes that the person reporting everyone had been turned in themselves and were seeking some sort of revenge or retribution. It sure is frustrating when your neighbors decorate tastefully and enjoy each others decor but someone from outside your area can ruin it for everyone. I understand the rules and the reason why such rules exist, but people who seek vengenge in mass only perpetuate bitter feelings in an otherwise enjoyable lifestyle here in The Villages. Very disappointing.
Incorporate those birds into a flowing fountain. Those are being approved here.

[Bogie Shooter]

I live in Pennecamp in an area known as Jacaranda Island and received a visit this morning from a member of the Code Enforcement Police, who almost sheepishly apologized for bothering me with such a trivial request, but requested that I remove the two attractive metal artifical birds which we had in our bushes in front of our home. These birds cost approximately $100 which I only mention to emphasize that they were not cheap nor gaudy ornaments but rather subtle and in good taste. He told me that someone had driven around and noted the addresses of every single house on our street and in homes this area if they had any lawn ornaments whatsoever, and reported them to Code Enforcement. He assumes that the person reporting everyone had been turned in themselves and were seeking some sort of revenge or retribution. It sure is frustrating when your neighbors decorate tastefully and enjoy each others decor but someone from outside your area can ruin it for everyone. I understand the rules and the reason why such rules exist, but people who seek vengenge in mass only perpetuate bitter feelings in an otherwise enjoyable lifestyle here in The Villages. Very disappointing.

None of these descriptive words are in the deed restrictions.

[thistrucksforyou]

HMMMM...You bought a house in an area that has a restriction about lawn orniments . sooooo you put them out anyway and got caught and now you are upset.....Go Figure

[quirky3]

HMMMM...You bought a house in an area that has a restriction about lawn orniments . sooooo you put them out anyway and got caught and now you are upset.....Go Figure

But heaven forbid you should put out a "For Sale" sign! "Selective rule breaking", please!

[CaptJohn]

The rules are the rules and they apply to everyone equally whether the item is gaudy or tasteful although
I'm sure they're in place to eliminate gaudy. Unfortunately the tasteful suffer as well. Such is life in the restricted zone.

[gerryann]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that the rule itself is not what most object to, it's the folks that come in to a neighborhood to specifically look for violators.
If bunnies and plastic Dutch people somehow make my neighbor happy, then I don't care.....but I know a lot of folks don't want to see it.

[Bavarian]

When do you get copy of these rules? Just signed for a new GrAndview, put down the 30% and never got a copy.

We have two chainsaw carved bears and a lighthouse bench.

[njbchbum]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that the rule itself is not what most object to, it's the folks that come in to a neighborhood to specifically look for violators.
If bunnies and plastic Dutch people somehow make my neighbor happy, then I don't care.....but I know a lot of folks don't want to see it.

if folks followed the rules there would be no violations for folks to find - right? not following rules is the risk some take and they should not be upset when it is brought to their attention...just disappointed.

[CaptJohn]

When do you get copy of these rules? Just signed for a new GrAndview, put down the 30% and never got a copy.

We have two chainsaw carved bears and a lighthouse bench.

I think you'll find the restrictions online but offhand I don't have a link. I'm sure someone here will or you can do a search for restrictions. The information has been posted in previous threads.

[njbchbum]

When do you get copy of these rules? Just signed for a new GrAndview, put down the 30% and never got a copy.

We have two chainsaw carved bears and a lighthouse bench.

we got a copy of our covenants at closing.

[clekr]

I'm sure the birds are "tastefull". But, one needs only to drive around the older sections to understand why there is this restriction.

[hotrodgirl]

You should have received a copy of covenants and restrictions with your papers. The rule is there. I do feel people should be able to decorate the outside within reason, but to drive around a neighborhood and turn people in is just petty. And I would think that person is not generally happy. True, rules are rules, no hedging around that! Curb appeal is also nice. Cookie cutter, not so much... When I build, I will not put out lawn ornaments or bird baths or hose guides or chimes nor any other accoutrements. I signed the papers and will do the right thing. But my house may look a little sad:-( Still happy to be in TV though:smiley:

[Bogie Shooter]

When do you get copy of these rules? Just signed for a new GrAndview, put down the 30% and never got a copy.

We have two chainsaw carved bears and a lighthouse bench.

Somewhere in your closing documents you should find the covenants/deed restrictions. You can find a copy here - VCDD Community Standards (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Standards/community-standards.aspx)

Good Luck with bears!

[Number 6]

Prolem is that one person's "tastfull" is another's "eyesore". We all agreed to the rules when we bought here. As Baretta said, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time".

[bkcunningham1]

I live in Pennecamp in an area known as Jacaranda Island and received a visit this morning from a member of the Code Enforcement Police, who almost sheepishly apologized for bothering me with such a trivial request, but requested that I remove the two attractive metal artifical birds which we had in our bushes in front of our home. These birds cost approximately $100 which I only mention to emphasize that they were not cheap nor gaudy ornaments but rather subtle and in good taste. He told me that someone had driven around and noted the addresses of every single house on our street and in homes this area if they had any lawn ornaments whatsoever, and reported them to Code Enforcement. He assumes that the person reporting everyone had been turned in themselves and were seeking some sort of revenge or retribution. It sure is frustrating when your neighbors decorate tastefully and enjoy each others decor but someone from outside your area can ruin it for everyone. I understand the rules and the reason why such rules exist, but people who seek vengenge in mass only perpetuate bitter feelings in an otherwise enjoyable lifestyle here in The Villages. Very disappointing.

I've been looking for those birds but my husband wouldn't let me buy them. But at the reduced rate at which I bet you could get out of the used lawn cranes, I'd get them off your hands. What do you say, $50 for the pair.

I live on the historic side and we can have lawn ornaments, or as I like to say, not cheap or gaudy lawnaments. lol

[Bavarian]

The Covenants need to be given in writing before any money is put down. The law in Maryland is if not given in writing before sale, homeowner is exempt.

[Bogie Shooter]

The Covenants need to be given in writing before any money is put down. The law in Maryland is if not given in writing before sale, homeowner is exempt.

This ain't Maryland...................

[hdh1470]

:BigApplause:Prolem is that one person's "tastfull" is another's "eyesore". We all agreed to the rules when we bought here. As Baretta said, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time".

[Wing-nut2]

The problem is that if you let one stay, you have to let all stay. Saying if it cost over 100.00 or more it can stay and anything less must go won't work either. It must be all or none.

[njbchbum]

I'm sure the birds are "tastefull". But, one needs only to drive around the older sections to understand why there is this restriction.

clekr - i live in one of the oldest sections - what is wrong with it?

[njbchbum]

I live in Pennecamp in an area known as Jacaranda Island and received a visit this morning from a member of the Code Enforcement Police, who almost sheepishly apologized for bothering me with such a trivial request, but requested that I remove the two attractive metal artifical birds which we had in our bushes in front of our home. These birds cost approximately $100 which I only mention to emphasize that they were not cheap nor gaudy ornaments but rather subtle and in good taste. He told me that someone had driven around and noted the addresses of every single house on our street and in homes this area if they had any lawn ornaments whatsoever, and reported them to Code Enforcement. He assumes that the person reporting everyone had been turned in themselves and were seeking some sort of revenge or retribution. It sure is frustrating when your neighbors decorate tastefully and enjoy each others decor but someone from outside your area can ruin it for everyone. I understand the rules and the reason why such rules exist, but people who seek vengenge in mass only perpetuate bitter feelings in an otherwise enjoyable lifestyle here in The Villages. Very disappointing.

i really feel bad for you because someone had to go and turn you in - but not for having gotten nailed by the rules. however, if i were you, i think i would have to have them turned into topiaries and taken out of the lawn ornament category and into the landscaping category - if your covenants will permit same!

[Shimpy]

clekr - i live in one of the oldest sections - what is wrong with it?

Ough oh! :popcorn:

[gomoho]

When do you get copy of these rules? Just signed for a new GrAndview, put down the 30% and never got a copy.

We have two chainsaw carved bears and a lighthouse bench.

Bavarian - be careful where you put those bears. Brought one from northern Michigan to Jacksonville Fl. Put him in a bed in the front yard and the termites ate him up. If you cherish them - keep them off the ground!:cryin2:

[bkcunningham1]

Me too, njbchbum. I'd like to see an answer to that question. hhmmmm

[Barefoot]

if folks followed the rules there would be no violations for folks to find - right? not following rules is the risk some take and they should not be upset when it is brought to their attention.


The rules are the rules and they apply to everyone equally whether the item is gaudy or tasteful Such is life in the restricted zone.


Seems illogical to me to buy a home south of Route 466, sign off on the regulations, and then express outrage that the regulations are enforced. Sounds like peoples' expectations are out of line with that reality. The rules apply equally to everyone.

Can you imagine the chaos and rage if every house were individually judged as to whether the lawn ornaments were tasteful and pretty, or gaudy and awful? The restriction on lawn ornaments treats every household equally. I agree with Quirky .. it seems illogical to buy a home with restrictions and then express surprise or outrage that the regulations are enforced.

[entemedor]

Bad taste has been defined as what your neighbors put in their front yard.

[Jim 9922]

Get back at the troll patrol, paint your driveway some awful color with a worse design (maybe a snowman or a college mascot right in the center). No problem then. Rules are rules, go figure!chilout
Actually, referring to other threads, if you want lawn/garden decorations, you have a good reason to buy preowned south of 466.

[bkcunningham1]

Bad taste has been defined as what your neighbors put in their front yard.

Aint that the truth?

[TimeForChange]

Moving in next week...you mean I can't display my two pink flamingos and my budweiser sign in the window?:cryin2:

[Barefoot]

Moving in next week...you mean I can't display my two pink flamingos and my budweiser sign in the window?:cryin2:

They made me take down my stuffed moose. It was beautiful. I just can't understand it. :D

[RedChariot]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that the rule itself is not what most object to, it's the folks that come in to a neighborhood to specifically look for violators.
If bunnies and plastic Dutch people somehow make my neighbor happy, then I don't care.....but I know a lot of folks don't want to see it.

Exactly. Nobody likes a snitch.

[jgbama]

When do you get copy of these rules? Just signed for a new GrAndview, put down the 30% and never got a copy.

We have two chainsaw carved bears and a lighthouse bench.

Not sure when we got ours as we got several packages from Citizen Mortgage, it may have been in one of those, but we got a copy. You can check with your realty agent or someone at the Sales Center, I'm sure they can help you. They are online, but you should be able to get a printed copy.

I'm not an ornament person, in good taste or not. We like the restrictive covenants, a small reason we decided on TV. Certainly won't spend my time checking up on my neighbors. I certainly understand the OP frustration and disappointment though.

Guess I better rethink my 10 X 20 foot Alabama Crimson Tide flag! :D

[cquick]

Can I buy a "manufactured home" in Silver Lake or Orange Blossom, knock it down and build a cement block home?

Sounds like the answer to the deed problem I can probably put up anything there.

[eweissenbach]

Can I buy a "manufactured home" in Silver Lake or Orange Blossom, knock it down and build a cement block home?

Sounds like the answer to the deed problem I can probably put up anything there.

Several have done just that!

[JohnN]

well, it's the rules and you should obey the rules, like 'em or not.

tasteful to you may not be so to someone else (obviously).

the deed restrictions are now complaint driven and that's how it works.

all that said, sorry to hear it, this is one of those cases of letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law.

[Posh 08]

When do you get copy of these rules? Just signed for a new GrAndview, put down the 30% and never got a copy.

We have two chainsaw carved bears and a lighthouse bench.

Hot Diggity Dog. Howdy Neighbor.

[Posh 08]

Several have done just that!

Rockerfeller TVer.

[dmorhome]

same in bonita someone drove around writing address down and turning them in.
put the birds under the overhang of roof it is ok that way.

[dmorhome]

put them under overhang of roof and it is legal.

[gomoho]

now that is interesting - I am in Hadley and have the statue of "The Garden of Good and Evil" under the overhang. I noticed someone last week taking a picture. Thought it was strange - do they like what they see or are they going to report me??? Haven't heard yet (knock on wood) from the lawn ornament police, but will let you know if I do. So you really can have something as long as it is under the overhang? how bizarre!!!

[Indydealmaker]

Can I buy a "manufactured home" in Silver Lake or Orange Blossom, knock it down and build a cement block home?

Sounds like the answer to the deed problem I can probably put up anything there.

To what deed problem are you referring?

[njbchbum]

Can I buy a "manufactured home" in Silver Lake or Orange Blossom, knock it down and build a cement block home?

Sounds like the answer to the deed problem I can probably put up anything there.

it's okay as long as you have the plans approved by the architectural review committee. and don't mind standing out in the crowd. check out the new build over by the rec center and ball fields on paradise!

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Moving in next week...you mean I can't display my two pink flamingos and my budweiser sign in the window?:cryin2:

Geez...I wanted to bring my car tire planter and put it out front....with Flamingos perched over it. I guess I won't get approval.:D

[asianthree]

Several have done just that!

years ago a storm took out lots of mobile homes and people built what they wanted

[asianthree]

Geez...I wanted to bring my car tire planter and put it out front....with Flamingos perched over it. I guess I won't get approval.:D

you can keep them there till the yard police come:thumbup:

[CaptJohn]

Guess I better rethink my 10 X 20 foot Alabama Crimson Tide flag! :D

I see no problem with that. Just hang it under the roof line! :laugh:

[Posh 08]

Hmmmmm, ya'll do have some back yards, right? CYV and have at it.

[CaptJohn]

Moving in next week...you mean I can't display my two pink flamingos and my budweiser sign in the window?:cryin2:

Flamingos: NO
Budweiser sign should be OK as long as it is preceded with the word "FREE"! :laugh: You'll be a hit with all the villagers!

[Posh 08]

Flamingos: NO
Budweiser sign should be OK as long as it is preceded with the word "FREE"! :laugh: You'll be a hit with all the villagers!

Once again, any back yards down there ;)

[Joaniesmom]

This is why some do not want to live in a community such as TV. A bunch of old people who have nothing else to do but be concerned about lawn ornaments. Really! Who ever you are out there that does this, I am speaking to you. How did this happen to you? How is it that you grew old and bitter? I agree that we are smashed to close together and can infringe on each others space, but a lawn ornament? Come on.

:agree:

[renielarson]

same in bonita someone drove around writing address down and turning them in.
put the birds under the overhang of roof it is ok that way.

put them under overhang of roof and it is legal.

now that is interesting - I am in Hadley and have the statue of "The Garden of Good and Evil" under the overhang. I noticed someone last week taking a picture. Thought it was strange - do they like what they see or are they going to report me??? Haven't heard yet (knock on wood) from the lawn ornament police, but will let you know if I do. So you really can have something as long as it is under the overhang? how bizarre!!!

Whew! I'm feeling relieved because I ordered a 5' Knight in Shining Armor to stand by my front door. Luckily the door is under the overhang of my roof. There's a long story why I had to have a Knight but I won't go into it here. I'm just a happy camper that it'll be safe from the Lawn Ornament Police! :police:

[mulligan]

I have 10' of back yard.

[Jim 9922]

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Guess I better rethink my 10 X 20 foot Alabama Crimson Tide flag! :D

Paint it on your driveway. That's OK.

[Roaddog53]

I live in Pennecamp in an area known as Jacaranda Island and received a visit this morning from a member of the Code Enforcement Police, who almost sheepishly apologized for bothering me with such a trivial request, but requested that I remove the two attractive metal artifical birds which we had in our bushes in front of our home. These birds cost approximately $100 which I only mention to emphasize that they were not cheap nor gaudy ornaments but rather subtle and in good taste. He told me that someone had driven around and noted the addresses of every single house on our street and in homes this area if they had any lawn ornaments whatsoever, and reported them to Code Enforcement. He assumes that the person reporting everyone had been turned in themselves and were seeking some sort of revenge or retribution. It sure is frustrating when your neighbors decorate tastefully and enjoy each others decor but someone from outside your area can ruin it for everyone. I understand the rules and the reason why such rules exist, but people who seek vengenge in mass only perpetuate bitter feelings in an otherwise enjoyable lifestyle here in The Villages. Very disappointing.

I agree that the rules are the rules. Where does it stop that it is "ok" for someone who doesn't want to follow the rules and think they don't apply to them. This goes on too often on many things around here. I see people going around blocked off golf cart paths, or many other restrictions. Do they think these blocks are there for only some? too often this happens since they don't have to follow them where they came from or they don that've them there so believe it shouldn't be here.
But the other thing never mentioned here is... Why someone that has a JOB to do whether it is a paying job or volunteer has the audacity to cry they are there due to complaints!!!! Do the job you are there to DO! Take the responsibility of going to the house and saying you are NOT compliant with the rules of the covenant. PERIOD! Get off the crying that they are there because some one complained. Just tells you the confidentiality that these code police people do not respect when someone notices a non-compliant issue and reports it. If they can't take the heat of the job, than GET OUT OF THE JOB!

[njbchbum]

I agree that the rules are the rules. Where does it stop that it is "ok" for someone who doesn't want to follow the rules and think they don't apply to them. This goes on too often on many things around here. I see people going around blocked off golf cart paths, or many other restrictions. Do they think these blocks are there for only some? too often this happens since they don't have to follow them where they came from or they don that've them there so believe it shouldn't be here.
But the other thing never mentioned here is... Why someone that has a JOB to do whether it is a paying job or volunteer has the audacity to cry they are there due to complaints!!!! Do the job you are there to DO! Take the responsibility of going to the house and saying you are NOT compliant with the rules of the covenant. PERIOD! Get off the crying that they are there because some one complained. Just tells you the confidentiality that these code police people do not respect when someone notices a non-compliant issue and reports it. If they can't take the heat of the job, than GET OUT OF THE JOB!

perhaps you are not aware that it has been a while that the enforcement of covenants has been driven by the complaint process rather than the inspection process that you describe. thus, the person arrives at one's door to notify the homeowner that they are there BECAUSE of a complaint. check your covenants - i believe you'll find it in there.

[Roaddog53]

The point I was trying to make is it doesn't matter if it is a complaint process or inspection. If it is in the covenants great! Than the people should know too. Than why does this so called lawn police or whatever they are called have to come to a door and beg forgiveness for them being there due to someone complaining to tell them they are non-compliant? Go to the door, tell the owner they are non-compliant regarding the covenant, ask the owner to correct it, and leave.

[Dancing Queen]

Whew! I'm feeling relieved because I ordered a 5' Knight in Shining Armor to stand by my front door. Luckily the door is under the overhang of my roof. There's a long story why I had to have a Knight but I won't go into it here. I'm just a happy camper that it'll be safe from the Lawn Ornament Police! :police:

So, when I move there, may I have matching ornimental potted plants on either side of my front door under the overhang, or is that a no no?

[mickey100]

Dancing Queen - I believe the convenants state you can have potted plants anywhere.

[Bobcuse]

Seems illogical to me to buy a home south of Route 466, sign off on the regulations, and then express outrage that the regulations are enforced. Sounds like peoples' expectations are out of line with that reality. The rules apply equally to everyone. I understand that some people may not like it, but I don't understand why people are surprised by that.

I know about the yard art rule and accept it. When we move there we have a choice. Live in the areas that do not allow or move to the old section which does. If you start with the "little" exceptions, where do you stop?

HMMMM...You bought a house in an area that has a restriction about lawn orniments . sooooo you put them out anyway and got caught and now you are upset.....Go Figure

Can you imagine the chaos and rage if every house were individually judged as to whether the lawn ornaments were tasteful and pretty, or gaudy and awful? The restriction on lawn ornaments treats every household equally. I agree with Quirky .. it seems illogical to buy a home with restrictions and then express surprise or outrage that the regulations are enforced.

Firstly, thanks for everyone's responses to my post. I told my wife that this would generate some controversy, and 65 posts in less than 24 hours ain't bad! I respect everyone's opinions and comments, but I would like to clarify what I was trying to express (but apparently wasn't very clear) as follows:

1. I knew and understood the rules but knowingly violated them in an attempt to improve the appearance of my property without offending anyone. I am aware that taste is an individual thing but thought that this small addition in my bushes would not be offensive and probably not even be noticed by most. Daily neighborhood walkers actually often compliment us on the appearance of our property.

2. I was not outraged nor upset when aproached by Code Enforcement as seeminly implied by some of your responses, only disappointed that someone who doesn't live in my area complained, not my neighbors. I would completely understand if it were neighbors who didn't want to look at my ornaments which may be unsightly or offensive to them.

3. The Code Enforcement person was a gentleman and very respectful in his handling of the situation rather than acting like a power weilding enforcement officer telling me to conform or else. He was trying to be understanding yet doing his job.

I hope everyone can chill out and not get too cranked up about my birds!

[BlueHeronFan]

Drove around looking for a patio villa north of 466. Found one, with 5, yes FIVE, colored mirror balls on the front lawn. This is why we have convenants. Somebody always has to over do it, and I imagine this individual thinks this looks just wonderful.

[asianthree]

someone said the GNOME was seen in a car taking pictures:popcorn:

[onbjames]

Has anyone ever read the book "The Association" OK, just being silly, but things could be worse:icon_wink:

[Madelaine Amee]

Drove around looking for a patio villa north of 466. Found one, with 5, yes FIVE, colored mirror balls on the front lawn. This is why we have convenants. Somebody always has to over do it, and I imagine this individual thinks this looks just wonderful.


I'm north of 466 and there are absolutely NO lawn ornaments allowed in my village. But, if you live in Polo Ridge, which is a very nice village with some beautiful homes, you can have lawn ornaments .......... and boy we've seen some awful "lawn art".

[njbchbum]

The point I was trying to make is it doesn't matter if it is a complaint process or inspection. If it is in the covenants great! Than the people should know too. Than why does this so called lawn police or whatever they are called have to come to a door and beg forgiveness for them being there due to someone complaining to tell them they are non-compliant? Go to the door, tell the owner they are non-compliant regarding the covenant, ask the owner to correct it, and leave.

perhaps the villages staff uses a softer, apologetic approach with the homeowner because they truly feel that way as opposed to feeling as over-bearing as you describe?

[njbchbum]

someone said the GNOME was seen in a car taking pictures:popcorn:

where is the LIKE button? we need a LIKE button! thanx for that visual this morning! :)

[DonH57]

It seems the more I read through Talk of the Villages the greater the stories of someone turning in a neighbor or better yet not even from the same street for some petty reason other than being bitter or I guess some unreasonable sense of purpose in life almost makes us reconsider moving to TV. I feel it's a real sad state of affairs when a neighbor does things to hide behind an authority rather than politely confront a neighbor about petty lawn decorations. I was brought up to get along and look out for a neighbor, not stab them in the back. We are still considering moving there. I think not only selecting the right house will be challenging but to try and figure out if our future neighbors will be unsecure nutjobs or great neighbors.

[mfp509]

Some lawn decorations are really pretty and in good taste - however, not everyone has good taste and also beauty is very subjective - so lawn ornaments are banned in some counties of TV. I know they are prohibited in the Marion County section of TV but Sumter County can have them. I don't agree with that policy - If they are going to do this, it should be The Villages as a whole.

[jgbama]

Bad taste has been defined as what your neighbors put in their front yard.

Agree! Kinda like the definition of a "brat" - a child who behaves like yours but belongs to a neighbor! :boxing2:

[graciegirl]

Some lawn decorations are really pretty and in good taste - however, not everyone has good taste and also beauty is very subjective - so lawn ornaments are banned in some counties of TV. I know they are prohibited in the Marion County section of TV but Sumter County can have them. I don't agree with that policy - If they are going to do this, it should be The Villages as a whole.

South of 466 which is Sumter county you must have permission for lawn ornamentation from ARC.

People have been ignoring that a lot lately. I wonder if it is a villager turning in a lot of folks or just a general enforcement?

[jgbama]

I see no problem with that. Just hang it under the roof line! :laugh:

Well, it's more like a 3X5, but we like to take the American flag down on Saturdays during football to display our "colors"! My blood changes from "red, white and blue" to "crimson" on Saturdays! :a040:

[Posh 08]

South of 466 which is Sumter county you must have permission for lawn ornamentation from ARC.

People have been ignoring that a lot lately. I wonder if it is a villager turning in a lot of folks or just a general enforcement?

I'm hoping it is enforcement and that it continues. This could get out of control and then what is next?

[Bogie Shooter]

It seems the more I read through Talk of the Villages the greater the stories of someone turning in a neighbor or better yet not even from the same street for some petty reason other than being bitter or I guess some unreasonable sense of purpose in life almost makes us reconsider moving to TV. I feel it's a real sad state of affairs when a neighbor does things to hide behind an authority rather than politely confront a neighbor about petty lawn decorations. I was brought up to get along and look out for a neighbor, not stab them in the back. We are still considering moving there. I think not only selecting the right house will be challenging but to try and figure out if our future neighbors will be unsecure nutjobs or great neighbors.

There are a lot of great people who do not come on TOTV and complain or whine. For that matter there are many who don't know it exists or even care if it does.
Come and experience TV..........talk to people on the street, you will get a different prospective.

[Bogie Shooter]

South of 466 which is Sumter county you must have permission for lawn ornamentation from ARC.

People have been ignoring that a lot lately. I wonder if it is a villager turning in a lot of folks or just a general enforcement?

I don't think you get permission from ARC for lawn ornaments. That would sound like there are exceptions to the deed restrictions.

[hotrodgirl]

The paperwork I received states that SOME neighborhoods do not allow lawn ornaments and to check Your own covenants. Mine state no lawn ornaments except for seasonal displays which can be out for no more than 30 days. I just bought a lot in Gilchrist.

[graciegirl]

I don't think you get permission from ARC for lawn ornaments. That would sound like there are exceptions to the deed restrictions.

OH. Thank you Bogie. I was under the wrong impression.

[Joaniesmom]

Seems illogical to me to buy a home south of Route 466, sign off on the regulations, and then express outrage that the regulations are enforced. Sounds like peoples' expectations are out of line with that reality. The rules apply equally to everyone. I understand that some people may not like it, but I don't understand why people are surprised by that.
I would adjust your use of "outrage" to" disappointment," which is the actual word she used. Makes a big difference. On top of that, the poster removed her ornaments when requested. What's the problem? :)

[quirky3]

I would adjust your use of "outrage" to" disappointment," which is the actual word she used. Makes a big difference. On top of that, the poster removed her ornaments when requested. What's the problem? :)

I have very good answers to this but since they are self-evident, I think the people that get it, get it. The people that don't - probably never will. Which is fine - it's a free country. :wave: People make their own choices, and live with their own consequences. Others may or may not be sympathetic if they are "very disappointed" with their own consequences. Reminds me of a famous quote - how do you convince people to believe in God. For those that believe, no explanation is needed. For those that don't, no explanation is possible.

[Barefoot]

I think not only selecting the right house will be challenging but to try and figure out if our future neighbors will be unsecure nutjobs or great neighbors.

Don't get too concerned about neighbours. They may well change. The Village Agents quote a statistic that the average TV family moves three times. At any given time, there are people are moving into TV, out of TV, to larger houses or downsizing. So the neighbour you like today may well be replaced with a nutjob or a great neighbour. It's like rolling dice.

The house next to us is for sale. Other than playing the bugle at 5 AM and having a lot of late night parties, we're pretty good neighbours.

[njbchbum]

It seems the more I read through Talk of the Villages the greater the stories of someone turning in a neighbor or better yet not even from the same street for some petty reason other than being bitter or I guess some unreasonable sense of purpose in life almost makes us reconsider moving to TV. I feel it's a real sad state of affairs when a neighbor does things to hide behind an authority rather than politely confront a neighbor about petty lawn decorations. I was brought up to get along and look out for a neighbor, not stab them in the back. We are still considering moving there. I think not only selecting the right house will be challenging but to try and figure out if our future neighbors will be unsecure nutjobs or great neighbors.

best of luck in finding a greater sense of compatability/comaraderie in any development larger or smaller that the villages. is your current neighborhood free of nutjobs - might wanna consider not relocating since ya know whatcha got there? or ya just might wanna rent in the villages for a year before making any kind of commitment? renting would give you a good chance to identify where the nutjobs live and hang out. seems like after that, selecting the right house would be a snap. something to ponder, eh?

[Joaniesmom]

I have very good answers to this but since they are self-evident, I think the people that get it, get it. The people that don't - probably never will. Which is fine - it's a free country. :wave: Reminds me of a famous quote - how do you convince people to believe in God. For those that believe, no explanation is needed. For those that don't, no explanation is possible.

Thanks for the kind words! I've been called stupid before but never quite so elegantly. :mademyday::clap2:

[CaptJohn]

The house next to us is for sale. Other than playing the bugle at 5 AM and having a lot of late night parties, we're pretty good neighbours.

Maybe I should look at that one. Doesn't sound too bad to me as long as I'm invited to the parties! Then you're gone for 6 months and quiet, but I'd be more concerned about the neighbors on the OTHER side of the one for sale. :laugh: Are they normal?

[Pa & Giggi]

A gentleman from several villages away from the St. James Villages went around taking note of who had lawn ornaments on their lawn and made a complaint. My neighbors also had to take down their decorations. They were told this when the officer came to one of my neighbor's home.

I think we have a very busy person who feels it is his responsibility to maintain the deed restrictions. How sad for him.

[jgbama]

It seems the more I read through Talk of the Villages the greater the stories of someone turning in a neighbor or better yet not even from the same street for some petty reason other than being bitter or I guess some unreasonable sense of purpose in life almost makes us reconsider moving to TV. I feel it's a real sad state of affairs when a neighbor does things to hide behind an authority rather than politely confront a neighbor about petty lawn decorations. I was brought up to get along and look out for a neighbor, not stab them in the back. We are still considering moving there. I think not only selecting the right house will be challenging but to try and figure out if our future neighbors will be unsecure nutjobs or great neighbors.

In our 7 years of visiting and talking to endless numbers of people about their Villages experience, we've never met a rude person - NOT ONCE.

Making an opinion about TV based on TOTV is like thinking this great country is nothing more than what you see on TV. You just have to ignore those who let their feelings get carried away.

So please, please, read the threads that share information and avoid the ones that just seem to do little but get people's blood pressure up. :icon_wink:

We met a couple of neighbors in Rio Grande, where we are moving. Nice, friendly people who made us feel welcome. You will find that no matter which village you consider.

:welcome:

[bluedog103]

Don't get too concerned about neighbours. They may well change. The Village Agents quote a statistic that the average TV family moves three times. At any given time, there are people are moving into TV, out of TV, to larger houses or downsizing. So the neighbour you like today may well be replaced with a nutjob or a great neighbour. It's like rolling dice.

The house next to us is for sale. Other than playing the bugle at 5 AM and having a lot of late night parties, we're pretty good neighbours.
That's funny! Legal too. As long as it's between 1 hour before sunrise and 10 P.M. blow that bugle every hour and blast rap music the rest of the day. Go figure.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[bluedog103]

In our 7 years of visiting and talking to endless numbers of people about their Villages experience, we've never met a rude person - NOT ONCE.
:cus:You will. You might want to check out the Publix at Colony around, oh, about early February. Another likely spot in your search for grumps try most any Rocky and the Rollers show at either square. There are usually a few there. Good luck, I'm pretty sure you'll see quite a few.:1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

Unfortunately there are "grumps" everywhere.

[buggyone]

:cus:You will. You might want to check out the Publix at Colony around, oh, about early February. Another likely spot in your search for grumps try most any Rocky and the Rollers show at either square. There are usually a few there. Good luck, I'm pretty sure you'll see quite a few.:1rotfl:

I have never been to Publix at Colony but have been to many Rocky & Roller shows at both squares. No grumps there - just happy people. Get there early and get in your chair. No problem. Get there late and you will be standing.

[DonH57]

We have visited TV once and look forward to visiting again in late september with the intention of buying. We found TV to be enjoyable and are aware there are grump buckets everywhere.

[JoeC1947]

Unfortunately there are "grumps" everywhere.

Maybe there is a grump club in TV?

[George Bieniaszek]

HA HA Bogie and Joe!! I like your idea of a "Grump Club" :) They can all meet a couple of times each month at a rec center meeting room and crab about everyone and everything and maybe work it out of their systems and be happy that they have something to complain about, and most importantly, have someone that will listen to them :)

[perrjojo]

You can generally find what you are looking for wherever you are. :wave::wave:

[Skip2MySue]

For Sale cheap:
Large 85 lb. concrete goose with a couple hundred dollars worth of decortative clothing for each season. He's located in New Jersey so you'll have to pick him up but it will add years of enjoyment to you and your home as long as it's kept under the eaves and out of sight. Hopefully your neighbors will enjoy it as well.:D
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[bluedog103]

For Sale cheap:
Large 85 lb. concrete goose with a couple hundred dollars worth of decortative clothing for each season. He's located in New Jersey so you'll have to pick him up but it will add years of enjoyment to you and your home as long as it's kept under the eaves and out of sight. Hopefully your neighbors will enjoy it as well.:D
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Geese like water don't they? You can make a little pond out of a kid's pool. Make sure the water is circulating. Park the goose in there and you're good to go. If he's lonely a couple of flamingos will complete your water feature. :icon_wink:

[Barefoot]

For Sale cheap: Large 85 lb. concrete goose with a couple hundred dollars worth of decortative clothing for each season.


Geese like water don't they? You can make a little pond out of a kid's pool. Make sure the water is circulating. Park the goose in there and you're good to go.

And as long as your goose is only dressed in his decorative clothing for 30 days or less, you're good to go! Personally, I think an 85 lb goose dressed like Santa Clause would be an interesting addition to snowman heads on the light fixtures.

[JoeC1947]

For Sale cheap:
Large 85 lb. concrete goose with a couple hundred dollars worth of decortative clothing for each season. He's located in New Jersey so you'll have to pick him up but it will add years of enjoyment to you and your home as long as it's kept under the eaves and out of sight. Hopefully your neighbors will enjoy it as well.:D
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I'd say leave the goose up north with his friends.

[gadaboutgal]

In the eye of the beholder: "not cheap nor gaudy ornaments but rather subtle and in good taste" which is why all yard ornaments are not permitted by convenants.

[CFrance]

This is one of the most amusing posts ever. It was either sit on the deck in the shade reading these posts, or go weed my section of the church landscaping, back to the hot sun. Thanks for making my decision easier!

[Skip2MySue]

And as long as your goose is only dressed in his decorative clothing for 30 days or less, you're good to go! Personally, I think an 85 lb goose dressed like Santa Clause would be an interesting addition to snowman heads on the light fixtures.

As a matter of fact he does have a cute Santa outfit along with a Halloween pumpkin costume, a Thanksgiving pilgrim outfit, and a cute Easter Bunny outfit to die for.........
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P.S. And that's not even going into the other holiday periods that include matching garb.
P.S.S. A kids wading pool that circulates.....wait we have an outfit that has a snorkel mask with a swimming tube included. And lets not forget the spring bumble bee get up.

[golf4me]

As a matter of fact he does have a cute Santa outfit along with a Halloween pumpkin costume, a Thanksgiving pilgrim outfit, and a cute Easter Bunny outfit to die for.........
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P.S. And that's not even going into the other holiday periods that include matching garb.
P.S.S. A kids wading pool that circulates.....wait we have an outfit that has a snorkel mask with a swimming tube included. And lets not forget the spring bumble bee get up.

Just don't let him run naked. My grandkids come to visit the villages a couple times a year.

[Joaniesmom]

We closed in April and we were given a copy of the covenants with our closing papers. No problem. Small price to pay not to have to look at lawns and lawns full of pink flamingos. If I want outdoor decorations I'll put them in the back yard where I can actually see them. Anything out front only the neighbors can see on a regular basis, so why annoy them?

[Joaniesmom]

I have never been to Publix at Colony but have been to many Rocky & Roller shows at both squares. No grumps there - just happy people. Get there early and get in your chair. No problem. Get there late and you will be standing.

Are you allowed to bring a lawn chair? I'm not able to stand for any period of time. Thanks.

[njbchbum]

Are you allowed to bring a lawn chair? I'm not able to stand for any period of time. Thanks.

many folks bring their own chairs...finding room for them can sometimes be a problem...especially on rocky and the roller appearances.

[Barefoot]

And as long as your goose is only dressed in his decorative clothing for 30 days or less, you're good to go! Personally, I think an 85 lb goose dressed like Santa Clause would be an interesting addition to snowman heads on the light fixtures.

As a matter of fact he does have a cute Santa outfit along with a Halloween pumpkin costume, a Thanksgiving pilgrim outfit, and a cute Easter Bunny outfit to die for.........
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P.S. And that's not even going into the other holiday periods that include matching garb.
P.S.S. A kids wading pool that circulates.....wait we have an outfit that has a snorkel mask with a swimming tube included. And lets not forget the spring bumble bee get up.

Your goose sounds like the perfect decoration for all special occasions. Including Festive Day. Ahhh .... I haven't seen a Spring Bumble Bee Costume since 1985.

I've seen a lot of doggies in strollers at the Town Squares wearing similar festive wear, including painted toe nails. The Villages is a wonderful place, something for everyone!

[Shimpy]

I have never been to Publix at Colony but have been to many Rocky & Roller shows at both squares. No grumps there - just happy people. Get there early and get in your chair. No problem. Get there late and you will be standing.


Just don't set in a any chairs that were "saved" since 9:00AM by tying a plastic bag on the chair.

[phylissdavis]

Very petty to say the least. I must say

[goodgrief]

Well convenances are convenances. And I suppose one persons beautiful statue or birdy (expensive or not) may not be so in anothers persons eyes, hence the convences all homeowners agreed to when they bought or built. I mean...i keep my little gnome hidden in the lanai so I don't upset anyone's sensibilities to gnomes :girlneener: oh and my little rabbit statue is tucked amongst the plants in the lanai as well :)

I'm not one to turn someone in. I'm waiting to see how long it takes for one of our neighbors to get called out on all sorts of statues she has out and yep we're in an area where its a no no too.

[buckscounty]

Wow, I wouldn't mind 2 pretty birds, we have neighbors that have coconuts lamps, bright pink chair andall kinds of stuff, where are the lawn police?

[Bogie Shooter]

Wow, I wouldn't mind 2 pretty birds, we have neighbors that have coconuts lamps, bright pink chair andall kinds of stuff, where are the lawn police?

That would be you, gotta give'm a call.
Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912
Fax: 352-751-6707

[paulandjean]

Please, a little petty.do you think...........................

[mulligan]

Yes, but you, as an owner, have an obligation to see that all the rules are enforced.

[paulandjean]

Yes, but you, as an owner, have an obligation to see that all the rules are enforced.

do not agree with that statement.

[gomoho]

Yes, but you, as an owner, have an obligation to see that all the rules are enforced.

Do I have an obligation even if the rule that is being broken doesn't offend me? That would seem kind or childish. Nanny, nanny boo - boo.

[Tom Hannon]

do not agree with that statement.

I'm with you PaulaJean. My wife had two harmless birds in our landscaping and a neighbor reported us. Unreasonable. Get a life neighbor's. Because of this "Mortal sin" my wife wishes to get the hell out of Dodge. She feels big brother is watching and that we have to be puppets in a world like "The Stepford's".

I agree a large cluster of garden do-dads might be an eye sour, but two birds hidden in a landscape. Give me a break.

[njbchbum]

Yes, but you, as an owner, have an obligation to see that all the rules are enforced.

enforcement is complaint driven - if you are not bothered enough to complain - you are not required to enforce.

[JoeC1947]

That would be you, gotta give'm a call.
Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912
Fax: 352-751-6707

I bet their phone is going to be ringing off the hook now. I don't see the point of posting phone numbers. Seems to me like you're stirring the pot. IMO

[Tom Hannon]

I bet their phone is going to be ringing off the hook now. I don't see the point of posting phone numbers. Seems to me like you're stirring the pot. IMO

It is exactly what he is doing.

[graciegirl]

Bogieshooter always posts the links and numbers to everything.

That is just what he does.

[bluedog103]

Yes, but you, as an owner, have an obligation to see that all the rules are enforced.
I have a right to complain but I am absolutely not obligated to do so. It would take a hell of a lot to get me to rat out a neighbor and judging from my neighborhood, my neighbors feel the same way. These people are my friends. Why on earth would I want to make their life more difficult by whining about something as meaningless as a lawn ornament.
There is no way I would go riding around other areas looking for violations to call in. It's obvious from reading these posts that some of these ornaments mean a lot to their owners. If they didn't like them they wouldn't have them. If I don't like them I don't look at them. See, that's not so hard. Life is better for everyone if I mind my own business.

[Tom Hannon]

Bogieshooter always posts the links and numbers to everything.

That is just what he does.

I thought that was Bill's (BillnBrillo) job

[Bogie Shooter]

I bet their phone is going to be ringing off the hook now. I don't see the point of posting phone numbers. Seems to me like you're stirring the pot. IMO

You are kidding, right?

[graciegirl]

Boy howdy.

[dillywho]

Boy howdy.

Gracie,

Did you list this one in the "Favorite Sayings" thread? Haven't looked in a while and can't remember if it was there. If not, it oughta be. It's a good 'un.:)

[Challenger]

Whatever happened to minding your own business.Listing the phone number,is stiring the pot. They are big people,they can get the phone themselves if they want it.

"The lady doth protest too much"

[lovesports]

I have a right to complain but I am absolutely not obligated to do so. It would take a hell of a lot to get me to rat out a neighbor and judging from my neighborhood, my neighbors feel the same way. These people are my friends. Why on earth would I want to make their life more difficult by whining about something as meaningless as a lawn ornament.
There is no way I would go riding around other areas looking for violations to call in. It's obvious from reading these posts that some of these ornaments mean a lot to their owners. If they didn't like them they wouldn't have them. If I don't like them I don't look at them. See, that's not so hard. Life is better for everyone if I mind my own business.

I so agree bluedog. I don't like the whole system. I think people should put their names on their complaints. A true eyesore would be justified but these petty little snitches driving around wouldn't have the guts to rag on tiny little birds. And if they did, at least you would know who not to invite to your next get-together.
At our first home here we had some elderly neighbors who couldn't keep up with weeds. We would go weed. We watched each other's homes. We went out to lunch once a month. That's what forms a neighborhood.
My new neighborhood is even friendlier. We weed, take care of each other dogs,watch each others homes, party, go on trips together. No one would think of reporting anyone. If there was a problem, we would go face to face to settle.
Any one who thinks some body's little bird is a problem should get a life!
Folks, there is a whole world out there where people mind their own business.

[Jim 9922]

I so agree bluedog. I don't like the whole system. I think people should put their names on their complaints. A true eyesore would be justified but these petty little snitches driving around wouldn't have the guts to rag on tiny little birds. And if they did, at least you would know who not to invite to your next get-together.
At our first home here we had some elderly neighbors who couldn't keep up with weeds. We would go weed. We watched each other's homes. We went out to lunch once a month. That's what forms a neighborhood.
My new neighborhood is even friendlier. We weed, take care of each other dogs,watch each others homes, party, go on trips together. No one would think of reporting anyone. If there was a problem, we would go face to face to settle.
Any one who thinks some body's little bird is a problem should get a life!
Folks, there is a whole world out there where people mind their own business.

Well said!!:beer3:

[Barefoot]

I have a right to complain but I am absolutely not obligated to do so. It would take a hell of a lot to get me to rat out a neighbor and judging from my neighborhood, my neighbors feel the same way. These people are my friends. Why on earth would I want to make their life more difficult by whining about something as meaningless as a lawn ornament.
There is no way I would go riding around other areas looking for violations to call in. It's obvious from reading these posts that some of these ornaments mean a lot to their owners. If they didn't like them they wouldn't have them. If I don't like them I don't look at them. See, that's not so hard. Life is better for everyone if I mind my own business.

I totally agree.

[Tom Hannon]

I so agree bluedog. I don't like the whole system. I think people should put their names on their complaints. A true eyesore would be justified but these petty little snitches driving around wouldn't have the guts to rag on tiny little birds. And if they did, at least you would know who not to invite to your next get-together.
At our first home here we had some elderly neighbors who couldn't keep up with weeds. We would go weed. We watched each other's homes. We went out to lunch once a month. That's what forms a neighborhood.
My new neighborhood is even friendlier. We weed, take care of each other dogs,watch each others homes, party, go on trips together. No one would think of reporting anyone. If there was a problem, we would go face to face to settle.
Any one who thinks some body's little bird is a problem should get a life!
Folks, there is a whole world out there where people mind their own business.



I agree also

[Bogie Shooter]

Whatever happened to minding your own business.Listing the phone number,is stiring the pot. They are big people,they can get the phone themselves if they want it.

I guess this would be a good example for the negativity thread.
Sorry, I don't need you to tell me what to do.

[Tom Hannon]

I guess this would be a good example for the negativity thread.
Sorry, I don't need you to tell me what to do.

The Villages used to be called "The Friendliest Home Town." After listening to so many attitudes about restrictions and loud music where it shouldn't be played I wonder if the claim about being the friendliest is accurate.

[Bogie Shooter]

The Villages used to be called "The Friendliest Home Town." After listening to so many attitudes about restrictions and loud music where it shouldn't be played I wonder if the claim about being the friendliest is accurate.

Tom, you and I both know that if you go out into TV, to the squares, restaurants and etc. it still is a friendly place to live.

[JoeC1947]

Bogieshooter always posts the links and numbers to everything.

That is just what he does.

Sorry to say that just because someone always does something doesn't make it right.

[JoeC1947]

You are kidding, right?

No, not really. I guess I don't really understand your intentions. It's sounds a little like you're encouraging people to turn others in for infractions. Let me put it this way. If something I see in my neighbors yard disagreed with my taste and I knew it was against the community standards and, I didn't really like the person or was even neutral or, I was just having a bad day, I'd be more inclined to snitch on them if I had the phone number at my finger tips. Whereas, If I had to search for the phone number it would give me an opportunity to think about it and decide if that's really what I wanted to do.
Imagine if everyone posted the complaint number on their refrigerator. just my two cents.

[Joaniesmom]

I so agree bluedog. I don't like the whole system. I think people should put their names on their complaints. A true eyesore would be justified but these petty little snitches driving around wouldn't have the guts to rag on tiny little birds. And if they did, at least you would know who not to invite to your next get-together.
At our first home here we had some elderly neighbors who couldn't keep up with weeds. We would go weed. We watched each other's homes. We went out to lunch once a month. That's what forms a neighborhood.
My new neighborhood is even friendlier. We weed, take care of each other dogs,watch each others homes, party, go on trips together. No one would think of reporting anyone. If there was a problem, we would go face to face to settle.
Any one who thinks some body's little bird is a problem should get a life!
Folks, there is a whole world out there where people mind their own business.

Where do you live??!!

[mickey100]

Unfortunately, some people around here think that rules need to be obeyed and enforced, simply because they are rules (not because something is actually wrong). In other words, they don't really have a problem with metal birds, for example, but hey, its a rule not to have the ornaments, so they need to be removed. Its pretty difficult to deal with that type of mentality, in my opinion. I've seen them grousing about other things in these forums that are "rules" related, and that's just their nature. Other people, like myself, tend to believe that common sense can supersede rules at certain times, and we are a little more forgiving. Just the difference in people.

[zcaveman]

No, not really. I guess I don't really understand your intentions. It's sounds a little like you're encouraging people to turn others in for infractions. Let me put it this way. If something I see in my neighbors yard disagreed with my taste and I knew it was against the community standards and, I didn't really like the person or was even neutral or, I was just having a bad day, I'd be more inclined to snitch on them if I had the phone number at my finger tips. Whereas, If I had to search for the phone number it would give me an opportunity to think about it and decide if that's really what I wanted to do.
Imagine if everyone posted the complaint number on their refrigerator. just my two cents.

So are you saying that when anyone asks for a telephone we should have them search TOTV for that person's name so thay can get it themselves? Or should we be helpful and provide the telephone number for them?

All Bogie Shooter did was provide a number for someone that asked. I am sure that person could have looked it up if they wanted to.

I do not see the problem.

Z

[zcaveman]

Unfortunately, some people around here think that rules need to be obeyed and enforced, simply because they are rules (not because something is actually wrong). In other words, they don't really have a problem with metal birds, for example, but hey, its a rule not to have the ornaments, so they need to be removed. Its pretty difficult to deal with that type of mentality, in my opinion. I've seen them grousing about other things in these forums that are "rules" related, and that's just their nature. Other people, like myself, tend to believe that common sense can supersede rules at certain times, and we are a little more forgiving. Just the difference in people.

Today it is a metal bird. Tomorrow it is the fat statue of Jose from South of the Border or the beloved gnomes. Once these lawn ornaments start going up are you going to selective complain about one of the other?

If the deed restrictions say no lawn ornaments they mean none, nada.

And no, I am not going to report them unless Jose or the gnomes start showing up.

But I do I read and understand the deed restrictions. These deed restrictions have been around for a long time. A committee put a lot of thought into these deed restrictions. They should be followed.

Common sense might be fine in your mind but people have different levels of common sense and the rules are there to keep the various levels of common sense in line.

[KathieI]

I have a right to complain but I am absolutely not obligated to do so. It would take a hell of a lot to get me to rat out a neighbor and judging from my neighborhood, my neighbors feel the same way. These people are my friends. Why on earth would I want to make their life more difficult by whining about something as meaningless as a lawn ornament.
There is no way I would go riding around other areas looking for violations to call in. It's obvious from reading these posts that some of these ornaments mean a lot to their owners. If they didn't like them they wouldn't have them. If I don't like them I don't look at them. See, that's not so hard. Life is better for everyone if I mind my own business.

Bluedog,,, I agree with you so much. I'm sorry for Tom H, I can't believe anyone would "rat-out" a neighbor... So petty and life's too damn short to do this kinda stuff.

[senior citizen]

They made me take down my stuffed moose. It was beautiful. I just can't understand it. :D

I can't understand it either. Moose are lovely creatures as long as they aren't crossing the road in front of us. We had a moose up here who fell in love with a cow and caused all kinds of grief for travelers crossing the mountain.

In our town they had a Moosefest whereby various patrons and businesses bought a LARGE fibreglass moose, painted it artistically to their own whim...and some had quite a whimsical nature........then they were placed all over town in front of shops and businesses and even homes for the "visitors" from afar to see.........everyone stopped, got out of their cars and took photos..........other towns do bears, etc.

In all our driving all over the Villages, historical old section and all the others, we didn't see anything that we'd call an eyesore.

People should save the quibbling for more important problems which might arise.

We owned a beachfront condo once where you could not put a Christmas wreath on the front door. That felt like communism.

[Mikeod]

A question. What is the problem here? Is it the mere presence of lawn ornaments not in compliance with deed restrictions? Or is the feeling of betrayal that someone sought the Compliance people to enforce the restrictions?

It seems from the posts that the betrayal feelings are most prevalent. Live and let live. If you don't like it, don't look at it.

So, where does it end? Seems like we are going through this in CDDs 1-5 right now with regards to outside signs. The CDDs ignored the deed restrictions instead of enforcing them, and now we have a big fight between the homeowners, the CDDs, and the developer.

Bottom line. You signed off accepting the deed restrictions. Now you want to ignore those that don't agree with what you want to do with your yard. And you get upset that someone has the gall to call Compliance to get you to adhere to the deed restrictions you agreed to. I think being a good neighbor means following the deed restrictions so that your fellow neighbors are not put in the position of having to call you on violations or call Compliance to enforce them.

[ajbrown]

WOW, I turn away from TOTV for a bit and we have a run-away thread about lawn ornaments?

My opinion on this (which I know you are waiting for :ohdear:) is that rules are rules. My lovely wife and I understood that when we came; it is what it is and we live with that.

I agree with folks that say common sense should dictate in a situation where there is no explicit rule. Here in TV, there is a rule and IMO inconstant enforcement makes it subjective. When it is subjective, it becomes personal leading to hurt feelings, i.e., why that lawn ornament and not mine? If a rule is enforced in a standard way it is never personal and no feelings get stepped on. When enforced consistently, is not about 'you', it is simply the rule.

On the other hand, I am not a big fan of it being complaint driven. This also allows it to be personal. I have yet found a reason to turn in any of my neighbors who I consider friends and suspect I never would, but never is a very long time. Could this be done by community watch? I do not know…..

Call from community watch: We have a pink flamingo in Buttonwood, I am going to need backup :1rotfl:

I must admit I am happy the ways things are, but felt like chiming in…..

[Tom Hannon]

There was a house backing up to St. Charles shortly before Pennecamp Drive. It had a beach scene with a small sand box with a lobster ornament and a beach pail. I thought it looked refreshing. It wasn't overdone and it broke up the monotony of everything looking the same. Well anyway, shortly before I returned to NY in May, the beach scene was gone. Looks like the police were called. So sad.

[JoeC1947]

So are you saying that when anyone asks for a telephone we should have them search TOTV for that person's name so thay can get it themselves? Or should we be helpful and provide the telephone number for them?

All Bogie Shooter did was provide a number for someone that asked. I am sure that person could have looked it up if they wanted to.

I do not see the problem.

Z


Nope, that's not what I'm saying. No one asked for a phone number or a fax number for that matter.

And, you made my point by saying that the person could have looked it up IF THEY WANTED TO.

Why fuel the fire?

[Barefoot]

Community Standards
Phone: xxx-xxx-xxxx


Nope, that's not what I'm saying. No one asked for a phone number or a fax number for that matter. And, you made my point by saying that the person could have looked it up IF THEY WANTED TO. Why fuel the fire?

Oh for goodness sakes, give Bogie a break, he was just trying to be helpful. I really doubt the phones at Community Standards "will be ringing off the hook" (as you said) as a result of his post. I think most neighbors will continue to ignore "violations" of the restrictions as long as the ornaments are minimal and tasteful.