Mitts taxes

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You know everyone is saying that Romney hasn't paid taxes in 10 years. Well he uses the same tax code every one else uses and if he takes the same deductions every one else can then so be it . You can't tell me any one on this forum doesn't do the same. So whats the big deal. You feel guilty then give the government 50% on your income then you have room to bitch.

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the best thing about the folks who claim that romney has not paid taxes is that they have no FACTS upon which to base their conclusion and allegation! where did a 'did not/did to' argument EVER get stan, ollie, spanky, alfalfa, darla, buckwheat, moe, larry, curly, lucy, desi, fred or ethel - only another episode! so i guess we can look forward to more of the same to come. :/

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the best thing about the folks who claim that romney has not paid taxes is that they have no FACTS upon which to base their conclusion and allegation! where did a 'did not/did to' argument EVER get stan, ollie, spanky, alfalfa, darla, buckwheat, moe, larry, curly, lucy, desi, fred or ethel - only another episode! so i guess we can look forward to more of the same to come. :/

I have not posted regarding Romney's tax returns, and am not all that interested, however those that have would probably say the reason they have no FACTS upon which to base their conclusion and allegation is because he has refused to release his returns.

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Mitt Romney has brought all this attention about his tax returns on himself. If he had just released them when he became the presumptive nominee, it might have been a one day or one week story. The way he has stonewalled makes people even more curious. This was not a story when Senators John McCain or John Kerry released their returns.

Romney also got caught up in a big kerfuffel over his taxes when he ran for governor, since he had claimed on his taxes he was living in Utah, but had to convince the MA Elections Commission that he was living in MA for seven consecutive years.

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I have not posted regarding Romney's tax returns, and am not all that interested, however those that have would probably say the reason they have no FACTS upon which to base their conclusion and allegation is because he has refused to release his returns.

most likely - but -that being the case - they have no facts that he has not - mute point for them as i see it.

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Mitt Romney has brought all this attention about his tax returns on himself. If he had just released them when he became the presumptive nominee, it might have been a one day or one week story. The way he has stonewalled makes people even more curious. This was not a story when Senators John McCain or John Kerry released their returns.

i can't see it that way. the attention has been brought and unrelentlessly pressed by the opposition - like a dog with a bone. your assumption that the release would be a one day/week story is highly unlikely! and as far as mccain, kerry, mitt's father or anyone else is concerned - they don't have a dog in this fight; so what they did is immaterial to present day.

hanging on to the tax return issue is just an opportunity for the oppositon to deflect the real issues in this election.

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The most interesting aspect of the election frightened left on the issue of Romney's taxes is the actions of U.S. Senate leader Harry Reid.

Harry has been saying that someone from Bane Capital has been divulging information about Romney's taxes to him. THAT IS A FEDERAL CRIME AND A FELONY.

The IRS and the FBI should be investigating these allegations to find this person and determine the truth of what Harry is saying. If Harry lies at all, that also is a federal crime. Can you say Scooter Libby or Martha Stewart?

These are serious concerns and the IRS should be on top of this.

We all know that's not gonna happen, though.

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:bigbow:The most interesting aspect of the election frightened left on the issue of Romney's taxes is the actions of U.S. Senate leader Harry Reid.

Harry has been saying that someone from Bane Capital has been divulging information about Romney's taxes to him. THAT IS A FEDERAL CRIME AND A FELONY.

The IRS and the FBI should be investigating these allegations to find this person and determine the truth of what Harry is saying. If Harry lies at all, that also is a federal crime. Can you say Scooter Libby or Martha Stewart?

These are serious concerns and the IRS should be on top of this.

We all know that's not gonna happen, though.

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richielion -
i searched 'romney tax info leaked to reid' and the articles that come up are hysterical; especially the ones by michelle malkin! and the reader comments at the end of them were funnier than some of the jokes in totv's 'just for fun' forum! if ya have some spare time do the search!

what could axelrod, plouffe or anyone have promised reid in exchange for his making such unfounded allegations? he's just not lobbing snowballs here - you are right about the criminal actions!

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yes indeedy....show me the person who does not have the goal at the end of the year to pay as little or no taxes than absolutely required by law and I will show you a fibber or liar!!!!

Still waiting for issues of significance to America's future.

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i can't see it that way. the attention has been brought and unrelentlessly pressed by the opposition - like a dog with a bone. your assumption that the release would be a one day/week story is highly unlikely! and as far as mccain, kerry, mitt's father or anyone else is concerned - they don't have a dog in this fight; so what they did is immaterial to present day.

hanging on to the tax return issue is just an opportunity for the oppositon to deflect the real issues in this election.

Senators McCain and Kerry, George Romney, George H W Bush, George W Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and others certainly did have a dog in the fight when they all released their tax returns. Republicans Bill Cristol and George Will and others have advocated to Romney to just get them out there and move on.

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Like Jerry Senfeld would say "its all about nothing."

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The most interesting aspect of the election frightened left on the issue of Romney's taxes is the actions of U.S. Senate leader Harry Reid.

Harry has been saying that someone from Bane Capital has been divulging information about Romney's taxes to him. THAT IS A FEDERAL CRIME AND A FELONY.

The IRS and the FBI should be investigating these allegations to find this person and determine the truth of what Harry is saying. If Harry lies at all, that also is a federal crime. Can you say Scooter Libby or Martha Stewart?

These are serious concerns and the IRS should be on top of this.

We all know that's not gonna happen, though.
No, you don't have the correct information. Bain, not Bane, Capital is not the US Government. It is a crime for persons who work for the IRS to divulge information. It is not illegal for a private person to repeat the information they were told by the taxpayer (non-payer). Senator Reid is attempting to provoke Rmoney to release his returns by stating the worst case scenario. He claims he was told that Rmoney didn't pay taxes. He did not claim he has seen the returns nor that he is able to verify the claim, only that he has been given this information. Mitt can disprove it one simple way.

As for his history regarding his tax returns. I suggest you review his tax data for the time he was running for governor of MA. He claimed to the p ress that his taxes would show that he always had been a resident of MA even when he was living in Utah for the Olympics. MA law requires a candidate for governor to be a resident for each year for 7 yrs prior to running. Well, trust me says Mitt, I am a eligible, until he is forced by an investigation and it turns out he filed as a Utah resident in Utah, got a huge (over $40,000 tax credit there for his house) and filed his MA taxes as a nonresident, and he signed these forms under penalty of perjury.
Of course he then claimed he never actually reads his returns he just signs them. He does have a law degree by the way. So Mitt then retroactively changed his residency on his taxes, like he retroactively resigned from Bain. By the way at those eligibility hearings which happened after the 1999 Bain retirement retroactive date, Rmoney explained that of course he was a Mass resident as he was busy with his running of Bain.

So when Mitt tells you there is nothing to see in his taxes, he has a history of lying, or as he puts it, he doesn't know what is in them he just signs them. The AP asked if the he ever paid lower than the 13% rate in the one released year and he said he'd get back to them with information. They are still waiting.

I am typing this from memory and may have some minor details wrong, but the thrust of the post is correct.

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I doubt there will be any criminal wrong doing, however, the loop holes used for years by his tax lawyers will make him look less of a patriot than if he would have paid for his ventures right up front. Saying I paid everything I was required by law as he has said openly, has a bit of a smell to it. Not rotten, but turning sour none the less.

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Senators McCain and Kerry, George Romney, George H W Bush, George W Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and others certainly did have a dog in the fight when they all released their tax returns. Republicans Bill Cristol and George Will and others have advocated to Romney to just get them out there and move on.

janmcn - i thought you knew - none of the presidents/candidates you list are running for election now...they and their taxes are history! lots of folks are advocating the same thing as cristol and will - can't help it if romney is smarter than they are! sheesh!

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I doubt there will be any criminal wrong doing, however, the loop holes used for years by his tax lawyers will make him look less of a patriot than if he would have paid for his ventures right up front. Saying I paid everything I was required by law as he has said openly, has a bit of a smell to it. Not rotten, but turning sour none the less.

golfingnut - could you say anything different from I paid everything I was required by law as romney has said? it's certainly how our taxes are paid! and i don't think it sounds sour when i say it.

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janmcn - i thought you knew - none of the presidents/candidates you list are running for election now...they and their taxes are history! lots of folks are advocating the same thing as cristol and will - can't help it if romney is smarter than they are! sheesh!

Doubt he is smarter than Bill Kristol. Better presidential material -- probably, smarter -- doubtful.

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No, you don't have the correct information. Bain, not Bane, Capital is not the US Government. It is a crime for persons who work for the IRS to divulge information.

this article makes it seem pretty clear that harry's allegation cannot be true...if so, does that mean that the alleged leak could only come from someone in the irs or pricewaterhouse coopers? Michelle Malkin » Harry Reid: One time this guy called and said Romney didn’t pay taxes for ten years (http://michellemalkin.com/2012/08/01/reid-romney/)

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janmcn - i thought you knew - none of the presidents/candidates you list are running for election now...they and their taxes are history! lots of folks are advocating the same thing as cristol and will - can't help it if romney is smarter than they are! sheesh!

How many years worth of tax returns do you think Mitt Romney is requiring his vice presidential contenders to supply - one year, two years? Just sayin'.
Romney couldn't even be confirmed for a cabinet position without supplying an adequate number of tax returns, but he expects to be elected president?

I am still waiting for all those long form birth certificate voices to call for full disclosure of Romney's tax returns. It might be time to start a new group called 'the taxers' to compete with the 'birthers'.

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golfingnut - could you say anything different from I paid everything I was required by law as romney has said? it's certainly how our taxes are paid! and i don't think it sounds sour when i say it.

I understand and I can say it the same way, but I have never used any off shore banks to hide my earnings.

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I understand and I can say it the same way, but I have never used any off shore banks to hide my earnings.

us neither - but i sure wish we could have! ;) wish i had extra money i could have hidden in my mattress! ;) my aunt wrapped hers in foil and put it in her freezer - called it her cold hard cash!

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I understand and I can say it the same way, but I have never used any off shore banks to hide my earnings.

Guys from Iowa have off shore banks? Guess I will have to get back to Elgin sometime.

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janmcn - you posted:
How many years worth of tax returns do you think Mitt Romney is requiring his vice presidential contenders to supply - one year, two years? Just sayin'.
...and i'm just sayin i really don't care!

Romney couldn't even be confirmed for a cabinet position without supplying an adequate number of tax returns, but he expects to be elected president?
...boy does that sound like harry reid clip that has been posted all over the internet in various grammatical configurations this week...come up with something original...parroting an addled old man is not your style ;)


I am still waiting for all those long form birth certificate voices to call for full disclosure of Romney's tax returns. It might be time to start a new group called 'the taxers' to compete with the 'birthers'.
...please don't hold your breath while you wait! i posted the same thought somewhere - obama people and romney people could get together and negotiate a document swap like countries do prisoners! won't happen though 'cause obama people don't negotiate. ;)

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This tax thing is so crazy.

Mitt Romney is a very very rich man. His family had money and he earned quite a bit on his own. He admits to that.

As a very very rich man, he has a slew of lawyers and accountants on his payroll to insure he takes advantage of every legal ta break possible. He would admit to that.

SO WHAT is the question. What does that have to do with his qualifications for the office he is pursuing ?

Oh, he cant relate ? Oh, a guy who has done NOTHING in his life except run for office CAN relate.

The only thing that the Democrats want this for is to use it as another diversion in attacking the man instead of the issues and to create more divide in this country with the class warfare rhetoric. They are bound and determined in the Democratic party to just slay the character of the man and ignore the issues......and they should be given more things to use to continue this character assault. No...let them begin to discuss issues !

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President Obama has been out there for two days talking about the issues. The issue of Mitt Romney's planned tax cuts which would raise taxes on 95% of the American people by up to $2000 per year while cutting taxes on anyone earning $1,000,000 by $87,000 per year.

Meanwhile, Romney tells Senator Harry Reid to "put up, or shut up" regarding Romney's ten years of paying zero taxes. Romney's the one with the documents, so it would be difficult for Reid to "put up". Stay Classy, Mitt.


President Barack Obama headed to Florida with study showing Mitt Romney's tax plan hurts middle class - Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/president-barack-obama-headed-to-florida-with-study-showing-mitt-romneys/1243607)

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Senators McCain and Kerry, George Romney, George H W Bush, George W Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and others certainly did have a dog in the fight when they all released their tax returns. Republicans Bill Cristol and George Will and others have advocated to Romney to just get them out there and move on.

There's no upside to Romney releasing them. I'd rather have the haters like you bitching about it than releasing what I know have to be very extensive and complicated tax returns.

Republican establishment types who advocate for Romney to release his returns are idiots in my opinion.

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Guys from Iowa have off shore banks? Guess I will have to get back to Elgin sometime.

We never heard of it in Parkersburg.

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President Obama has been out there for two days talking about the issues. The issue of Mitt Romney's planned tax cuts which would raise taxes on 95% of the American people by up to $2000 per year while cutting taxes on anyone earning $1,000,000 by $87,000 per year.

Meanwhile, Romney tells Senator Harry Reid to "put up, or shut up" regarding Romney's ten years of paying zero taxes. Romney's the one with the documents, so it would be difficult for Reid to "put up". Stay Classy, Mitt.


President Barack Obama headed to Florida with study showing Mitt Romney's tax plan hurts middle class - Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/president-barack-obama-headed-to-florida-with-study-showing-mitt-romneys/1243607)

Just my opinion but when someone makes an accusation about someone else, then it seems to me that the person who made the accusation is the one to put up or shut up. That does not make sense to you....you obviously based on your post know that Reid knows nothing but simply made an accusation....nice guy !!! And you think Reid is classy...says quite a bit. Idle accusations from the leader of the US Senate...great !!!


You are misreading perhaps that when Obama talks about Romney's plans, that is not exactly presenting his own plans, which we must assume have been worked on for 3 years...they better be good.

Would be wonderful if you began a thread to discuss his jobs plans...the details, etc so we can all talk about them !

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this article makes it seem pretty clear that harry's allegation cannot be true...if so, does that mean that the alleged leak could only come from someone in the irs or pricewaterhouse coopers? Michelle Malkin » Harry Reid: One time this guy called and said Romney didn’t pay taxes for ten years (http://michellemalkin.com/2012/08/01/reid-romney/)

I wouldn't let this go if I were Mitt Romney.

Any unauthorized release of information on a person's tax returns is a federal offense with a penalty of up to $5,000 and/or a 5 year prison sentence, and if that violation is committed by any officer or employee of the United States, he shall, in addition to any other punishment, be dismissed from office or discharged from employment upon conviction for such offense.

Harry Reid is making allegations against Romney that are either lies, or if true have been leaked to him or by him.

Either way this is a serious breach of the public trust and an investigation should be launched to find the truth of this.

If I was a key member of the Romney campaign I would be before every media outlet I could find and demand this. This is a bigger story that whether Romney releases his pre 2010 returns, which he has already released.

26 USC § 7213 - Unauthorized disclosure of information | LII / Legal Information Institute (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/7213)

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this article makes it seem pretty clear that harry's allegation cannot be true...if so, does that mean that the alleged leak could only come from someone in the irs or pricewaterhouse coopers? Michelle Malkin » Harry Reid: One time this guy called and said Romney didn’t pay taxes for ten years (http://michellemalkin.com/2012/08/01/reid-romney/)

I read the article you cite. It is devoid of any new information and certainly nothing that says the allegation cannot be true, only an opinion that no one at Bain would have known Rmoney's tax information so it must have come from outside. Now there are two responses I can make to that. If that is true, then Malkin is saying that Reid has good information which came from Rmoney's accountant office perhaps "found it on a fax machine", or perhaps Mitt liked to brag about how he worked the tax system so well his tax liability went to zero and that bragging is the source of this allegation. So when Malkin quotes another author who states that it is impossible the leak can from within Bain he ignores the possibility is was a Bain peer who was told directly of the non-payment in a conversation. Either way, nothing in Malkin's article makes any claim that laws were broken as was alleged. It does say, as I stated that Reid's claim is hearsay and clearly is more a political ploy than evidence based.
Again, Mitt can stop all these rumors by doing what every other modern candidate has done. Maybe its all those donations to Planned Parenthood that he wants to hide.
As for the statement that Reid would not take a call from a former Bain insider, that's Malkin's proof? Do you think he wouldn't if the message was "I've got information on Rmoney's non payment of income tax"
The etch-a-sketch doesn't work on tax documents. It looks as if he is hiding more than just the fact that he is extremely wealthy. We all already know that so there is no reason to refuse to release the returns just because it would confirm that known fact.

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President Obama has been out there for two days talking about the issues. The issue of Mitt Romney's planned tax cuts which would raise taxes on 95% of the American people by up to $2000 per year while cutting taxes on anyone earning $1,000,000 by $87,000 per year.

Meanwhile, Romney tells Senator Harry Reid to "put up, or shut up" regarding Romney's ten years of paying zero taxes. Romney's the one with the documents, so it would be difficult for Reid to "put up". Stay Classy, Mitt.


President Barack Obama headed to Florida with study showing Mitt Romney's tax plan hurts middle class - Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/president-barack-obama-headed-to-florida-with-study-showing-mitt-romneys/1243607)

janmcn - surely you cannot be so naive as to think mitt is talking about harry's tax returns rather than 'putting up' the name of the source who provided him the allegations he ha made! have i given you too much credit for being a knowledgable information opponent? as pointed out in a link i posted in a previous post, the article explained how the source could not be a bain investor as harry claimed.

and re mitt's plan for tax cuts - let me see an independent analysis or the cbo analysis of costs next to obama's analysis before anyone goes proclaiming - again - that obama has a plan to save the economy!

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janmcn - surely you cannot be so naive as to think mitt is talking about harry's tax returns rather than 'putting up' the name of the source who provided him the allegations he ha made! have i given you too much credit for being a knowledgable information opponent? as pointed out in a link i posted in a previous post, the article explained how the source could not be a bain investor as harry claimed.

and re mitt's plan for tax cuts - let me see an independent analysis or the cbo analysis of costs next to obama's analysis before anyone goes proclaiming - again - that obama has a plan to save the economy!

Allow me to add NJ if I may that JANMCN has it all twisted around. When Obama is talking about Romney's plans that is NOT the same as giving his own plans...see how that works !!!!

Reid is a blatant...well,, lets just say he has stopped more bills in the senate that would create jobs in the last two years, he should be ignored. He certainly has not interest !!!

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I wouldn't let this go if I were Mitt Romney.

Any unauthorized release of information on a person's tax returns is a federal offense with a penalty of up to $5,000 and/or a 5 year prison sentence, and if that violation is committed by any officer or employee of the United States, he shall, in addition to any other punishment, be dismissed from office or discharged from employment upon conviction for such offense.

Harry Reid is making allegations against Romney that are either lies, or if true have been leaked to him or by him.

Either way this is a serious breach of the public trust and an investigation should be launched to find the truth of this.

If I was a key member of the Romney campaign I would be before every media outlet I could find and demand this. This is a bigger story that whether Romney releases his pre 2010 returns, which he has already released.

26 USC § 7213 - Unauthorized disclosure of information | LII / Legal Information Institute (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/7213)

The regulation you cite is very specific. It applies to release of information by government agents not private individuals. There is a separate law which applies to professional tax preparers who knowingly or recklessly disclose information and that is a misdemeanor. There is no law which says that if Richie Lion told me in a conversation that he paid tax at a 28% rate, that I cannot repeat that information. By the way are you related to Snoop Lion? I suspect this information came from Mitt bragging about his tax liability of zero after he deducted his horse and his houses and his off shore accounts and whatever else, all perfectly legally. And now people who heard him brag either first hand or otherwise are reporting the rumor. Nothing in the law relates to this situation and it fits the picture painted by Reid of multiple people reporting the same rumor, which may be entirely false
Clear it up Mitt. To attack Reid to try to get him to reveal his source is only going to backfire. To allege it came from the White House makes it sound more likely to be true than less likely as the White House has pretty good access to information. Release your returns, complete with all forms. Not missing stuff

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The regulation you cite is very specific. It applies to release of information by government agents not private individuals. There is a separate law which applies to professional tax preparers who knowingly or recklessly disclose information and that is a misdemeanor. There is no law which says that if Richie Lion told me in a conversation that he paid tax at a 28% rate, that I cannot repeat that information. By the way are you related to Snoop Lion? I suspect this information came from Mitt bragging about his tax liability of zero after he deducted his horse and his houses and his off shore accounts and whatever else, all perfectly legally. And now people who heard him brag either first hand or otherwise are reporting the rumor. Nothing in the law relates to this situation and it fits the picture painted by Reid of multiple people reporting the same rumor, which may be entirely false
Clear it up Mitt. To attack Reid to try to get him to reveal his source is only going to backfire. To allege it came from the White House makes it sound more likely to be true than less likely as the White House has pretty good access to information. Release your returns, complete with all forms. Not missing stuff


Explain please IF he paid zero for the last TWENTY YEARS but did it legally, what that exactly means ? That our tax code needs to be fixed ? I agree, Romney agrees and Obama also did until push came to shove and he fired his blue ribbon committe that was set up to fix it !!!

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janmcn - surely you cannot be so naive as to think mitt is talking about harry's tax returns rather than 'putting up' the name of the source who provided him the allegations he ha made! have i given you too much credit for being a knowledgable information opponent? as pointed out in a link i posted in a previous post, the article explained how the source could not be a bain investor as harry claimed.

and re mitt's plan for tax cuts - let me see an independent analysis or the cbo analysis of costs next to obama's analysis before anyone goes proclaiming - again - that obama has a plan to save the economy!

Here you go. Just plug in your family income, and figure out who has the better plan for you, then you can decide.


Who is fighting for the middle class? President Obama versus Mitt Romney. — Barack Obama (http://www.barackobama.com/tax-calculator/)

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Here you go. Just plug in your family income, and figure out who has the better plan for you, then you can decide.


Who is fighting for the middle class? President Obama versus Mitt Romney. — Barack Obama (http://www.barackobama.com/tax-calculator/)

Oh should the world be so doggone simple. Wouldn't that be great. What kind of fairy land do you have to believe in to even give something like that any credence whatsoever.....to believe in that is to believe in the tooth fairy.

Simple is good I suppose...good for you !!

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Oh should the world be so doggone simple. Wouldn't that be great. What kind of fairy land do you have to believe in to even give something like that any credence whatsoever.....to believe in that is to believe in the tooth fairy.

Simple is good I suppose...good for you !!

Welcome back, Bucco.

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Like Jerry Senfeld would say "its all about nothing."

Except Seinfeld was certainly not a show about "nothing". :icon_wink:

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Allow me to add NJ if I may that JANMCN has it all twisted around. When Obama is talking about Romney's plans that is NOT the same as giving his own plans...see how that works !!!!

Reid is a blatant...well,, lets just say he has stopped more bills in the senate that would create jobs in the last two years, he should be ignored. He certainly has not interest !!!

Welcome back Bucco. I was hoping you would use your time off the moderate your positions and become more reasonable. Guess not.

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Welcome back Bucco. I was hoping you would use your time off the moderate your positions and become more reasonable. Guess not.

And what should I say to a post that says Obama is dicussing his jobs programs and he is NOT..he is discussing nothing but Romney !

What should I say to that....and please respond. I even suggested to that poster that she begin a thread listing what Obama wants to do and his plans and allow us to discuss it.

What do you say to that kind of thing...he is NOT discussing jobs he is discussing Romney and he had NO JOBS bills until election time.

Listen, I can be moderate but this is crap...lets talk about the jobs proposals sitting in the senate....lets discuss what have we been doing about jobs and what plans both have BUT we will not. We will continue to call names and if I changed at all on that...bring it on....I am not going to be intimidated by anyone...I can have my mind changed for sure, but not by dribble that is nothing but party crap and has no functional or reality to it.

I will begin threads on platforms, etc and on foreign policy and nobody wants to touch them so this is what you get. Moderate my position ? I asked you directly when you call the President a moderate to tell me when, who, where and how he was ever one time exposed to moderate thinking or policy. I still await that !

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And what should I say to a post that says Obama is dicussing his jobs programs and he is NOT..he is discussing nothing but Romney !

What should I say to that....and please respond. I even suggested to that poster that she begin a thread listing what Obama wants to do and his plans and allow us to discuss it.

What do you say to that kind of thing...he is NOT discussing jobs he is discussing Romney and he had NO JOBS bills until election time.

Listen, I can be moderate but this is crap...lets talk about the jobs proposals sitting in the senate....lets discuss what have we been doing about jobs and what plans both have BUT we will not. We will continue to call names and if I changed at all on that...bring it on....I am not going to be intimidated by anyone...I can have my mind changed for sure, but not by dribble that is nothing but party crap and has no functional or reality to it.

I will begin threads on platforms, etc and on foreign policy and nobody wants to touch them so this is what you get. Moderate my position ? I asked you directly when you call the President a moderate to tell me when, who, where and how he was ever one time exposed to moderate thinking or policy. I still await that !

Good to see you are well and back in form.

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The regulation you cite is very specific. It applies to release of information by government agents not private individuals. There is a separate law which applies to professional tax preparers who knowingly or recklessly disclose information and that is a misdemeanor. There is no law which says that if Richie Lion told me in a conversation that he paid tax at a 28% rate, that I cannot repeat that information. By the way are you related to Snoop Lion? I suspect this information came from Mitt bragging about his tax liability of zero after he deducted his horse and his houses and his off shore accounts and whatever else, all perfectly legally. And now people who heard him brag either first hand or otherwise are reporting the rumor. Nothing in the law relates to this situation and it fits the picture painted by Reid of multiple people reporting the same rumor, which may be entirely false
Clear it up Mitt. To attack Reid to try to get him to reveal his source is only going to backfire. To allege it came from the White House makes it sound more likely to be true than less likely as the White House has pretty good access to information. Release your returns, complete with all forms. Not missing stuff

I think you're seriously misreading this law and have scrambled all the facts in you post here. Your logic is severely flawed and incomprehensible.

If someone releases tax return info without authorization that is a felony, no matter who it is; be it a corporate tax preparer or secretary or whoever had access to that information.

There are extra penalties if that person is also a government official.

If someone divulges his information himself, I guess it would be considered public knowledge now and wouldn't be applicable to this law. Romney did not release or authorize the release of any tax return information beyond the release of his 2010 returns. You're trying to put forth some sort of "fantasy conversation" that has no basis in fact.

If someone is indeed releasing Romney's tax return info without specific authorization that is a felony and punishable by fine and incarceration.

It is the job of the IRS and the FBI to pursue a federal investigation to determine the truth of what Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is relating as to a Bain Capital employee divulging unauthorized tax info to him.

If he lies or doesn't cooperate, that is also a felony.

If I were Romney I would want Reid in the hot seat on this.

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This is all smoke and beer farts.
Romney is wise to let them bitch about his taxes for the next 3 months and when it is too late to mount another attack, release them.

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I have not posted regarding Romney's tax returns, and am not all that interested, however those that have would probably say the reason they have no FACTS upon which to base their conclusion and allegation is because he has refused to release his returns.


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I was hoping I was not the only one that felt that way. If Mitt the Twit is not paranoid about Big Brother or has not done something crooked, why not release them. If he is, then he should not be in this election at all. It is not to late to get another REP. Lets go with Sanitarium and Sarah. LOL what a cluster of missteps in the closing days. Obama can save all his donations for his friends running for congress that way he can get something done to help us all in the next four years.

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I think it would be foolish for Romney to release his tax records. Since Romney has no divorce records, that Obama can get unsealed, he has to try something else. This is how Obama got in the Senate in the first place. Reid is not known for being an upstanding person. Make him prove his words.

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You got that right o was down in senate race til that.All they have is go after his taxes .Mean while real unemployment u6 rate hits 15% ,so much for change but we still have hope,That is hope he is gone.

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Some ask what is Mitt afraid of? I wonder what Obama was afraid of when he had is college transcripts sealed when most other Presidents redly produced them. What's the big secret about his college days? The lefties we're drooling all over themselves when Mitt released his last two years, all they found was a rich guy that paid millions in taxes and charity.

Obama and his minions literally have nothing left other than lies, diversion and demagoguery. That's it man, that's his strategy. He's already burning through his money faster than he's taking it in (hum... sound familiar?).

Mitt hasn't even started to unleash on him yet. Just wait.

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It's funny reading the above posts. It is a perfect example of how people in an election year or any time keeps grabbing at any thing to discredit a candidate. If Romney did release his tax returns ,and probably find nothing out of the ordinary, what would you garb at next. I think he is more calculating than people think. Which makes him more intelligent than a 5th grader.

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Some ask what is Mitt afraid of? I wonder what Obama was afraid of when he had is college transcripts sealed when most other Presidents redly produced them. What's the big secret about his college days? The lefties we're drooling all over themselves when Mitt released his last two years, all they found was a rich guy that paid millions in taxes and charity.

Obama and his minions literally have nothing left other than lies, diversion and demagoguery. That's it man, that's his strategy. He's already burning through his money faster than he's taking it in (hum... sound familiar?).

Mitt hasn't even started to unleash on him yet. Just wait.


I have no idea who will win this election but I sure hope you are correct in your statement "Mitt hasn't even started to unleash on him yet. Just wait"

Seems to me and I sure could be wrong that he is playing rope a dope with them.....October surprise ???

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I have no idea who will win this election but I sure hope you are correct in your statement "Mitt hasn't even started to unleash on him yet. Just wait"

Seems to me and I sure could be wrong that he is playing rope a dope with them.....October surprise ???

I think what you see is what you get with MR. Hoping his VP selection adds some BAM.

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This is truly laughable, coming from Harry Reid who oversees 4 years of no federal budget and not even a serious budget proposal from Obama and the Senate.

It's pure diversion, so as not to have to talk about this clown act for which we taxpayers pay the consequences:

"The cost, say analysts, is that Congress is once again allowing the federal budget process to remain rudderless and lawmakers unaccountable as the nation lurches toward fiscal crisis...."

No budget? No problem! The strange politics behind a budgetless America. - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0214/No-budget-No-problem!-The-strange-politics-behind-a-budgetless-America)

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Where are the 2011 taxes Mitt Romney promised would be released in July? These are the taxes that were due on April 15th. If I'm not mistaken, this is already August. Is he trying to put this second release off until after the election? His accountants have had six to seven months to complete these forms.

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Where are the 2011 taxes Mitt Romney promised would be released in July? These are the taxes that were due on April 15th. If I'm not mistaken, this is already August. Is he trying to put this second release off until after the election? His accountants have had six to seven months to complete these forms.

Speaking of taxes and Reid, this is the guy who would not allow a vote on a bill to stop the scams being used by illegals to rob our US treasury...just refused to allow a discussion on that bill.

That seems to be ok, but having more ammo to attack a candidate personally bothers you...go figure !!

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Willard releasing 10 years or so, of returns would reveal his declared state of residence for each year, his gross income for each year, his taxable income for each year, and the amount of tax he paid or was refunded for each year.

And - his signature and date of signing on each return.

What is the problem with that?

It will be interesting to see if he will require his VP pick to release their taxes.

This issue will NOT go away - Dems are wise to keep hammering away.

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Willard releasing 10 years or so, of returns would reveal his declared state of residence for each year, his gross income for each year, his taxable income for each year, and the amount of tax he paid or was refunded for each year.

And - his signature and date of signing on each return.

What is the problem with that?

It will be interesting to see if he will require his VP pick to release their taxes.

This issue will NOT go away - Dems are wise to keep hammering away.

Some day you people will wake up, throw away your registration cards, stop being in love with candidates and parties and really see the issues. You address this as if this alone will solve all our problems. Why dont you post on the unemployment thread...spell out the jobs programs.

WHO CARES if he releases more than required...it means NOTHING but political hay and not one iota more. I dont care if he or Obama paid zero their entire life as long as it was legal.

Get involved in your country and the issues...try that for a change or do they not twitter issue related things ?

How do you feel about the sequestering issue that if not resolved is going to reduce our defense and cause massive layoffs all over the country ? How do you feel about the length of time people are not working as unemployment goes up ? How do you feel about our involvement in Syria and Syria in general where thousands are being kiled and slaughtered ?

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Where are the 2011 taxes Mitt Romney promised would be released in July? These are the taxes that were due on April 15th. If I'm not mistaken, this is already August. Is he trying to put this second release off until after the election? His accountants have had six to seven months to complete these forms.

i don't think anyone's tax returns are complete until the irs determines that they are complete. am i wrong?

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Some day you people will wake up, throw away your registration cards, stop being in love with candidates and parties and really see the issues. You address this as if this alone will solve all our problems. Why dont you post on the unemployment thread...spell out the jobs programs.

WHO CARES if he releases more than required...it means NOTHING but political hay and not one iota more. I dont care if he or Obama paid zero their entire life as long as it was legal.

Get involved in your country and the issues...try that for a change or do they not twitter issue related things ?

How do you feel about the sequestering issue that if not resolved is going to reduce our defense and cause massive layoffs all over the country ? How do you feel about the length of time people are not working as unemployment goes up ? How do you feel about our involvement in Syria and Syria in general where thousands are being kiled and slaughtered ?







A lot of people care - Cons saying Willards taxes don't matter doesn't make it so.

His stubborness is not playing well - his sinking poll numbers reflect this. People in his own Party are urging him to release them. This is a terrific issues for the Dems. Reid should just keep blasting away !!!!!

"if you have to explain, you're losing"

- W. M. Romney

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Willard releasing 10 years or so, of returns would reveal his declared state of residence for each year, his gross income for each year, his taxable income for each year, and the amount of tax he paid or was refunded for each year.

And - his signature and date of signing on each return.

What is the problem with that?

It will be interesting to see if he will require his VP pick to release their taxes.

This issue will NOT go away - Dems are wise to keep hammering away.

and what wisdom is there in 'hammering away' - beyond the annoyance of deflecting attention from failed policies and actions?

i find the annoyance of flies, love bugs, no-seeums and mosquitos more acceptable that the hammering away of a political party that cannot stand up and defend it's policies.

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i don't think anyone's tax returns are complete until the irs determines that they are complete. am i wrong?

An individual's tax returns are complete as soon as that individual signs his name and date on the dotted line and puts them in the mail. They can be amended at a later date by filing a different form. Mitt Romney filed and got an automatic extension by April 15, 2012, when he was required to pay any tax liability. Does anybody know when the extension deadline occurs?

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An individual's tax returns are complete as soon as that individual signs his name and date on the dotted line and puts them in the mail. They can be amended at a later date by filing a different form. Mitt Romney filed and got an automatic extension by April 15, 2012, when he was required to pay any tax liability. Does anybody know when the extension deadline occurs?
The extension deadline is October 15th; however, you are correct all tax liability must be paid by April 15th. In fact, 90% of all tax liability must be paid by December 31st of the tax year; otherwise the tax payer is required to pay penalty and interest on the unpaid amount.

Based on Governor Romney's income generated almost exclusively from investment income and if he wants to avoid penalty and interest payments, he needs to have a fairly accurate assumption of his tax liability by the close of the tax year - in this case by December 31, 2011.

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and what wisdom is there in 'hammering away' - beyond the annoyance of deflecting attention from failed policies and actions?

i find the annoyance of flies, love bugs, no-seeums and mosquitos more acceptable that the hammering away of a political party that cannot stand up and defend it's policies.






The widom is - Willards refusal to issue 10 years of returns, something all POTUS candidates do, is an issue for a lot of voters.

The fact that you find the annoyance of flies and love bugs more acceptable means nothing.

Dems are correct in talking about this issue. It plays well in middle america.

Willard is now even losing Florida !!!

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The widom is - Willards refusal to issue 10 years of returns, something all POTUS candidates do, is an issue for a lot of voters.

The fact that you find the annoyance of flies and love bugs more acceptable means nothing.

Dems are correct in talking about this issue. It plays well in middle america.

Willard is now even losing Florida !!!

You say the Dems see this as an ISSUE THEREIN lies the problem.....ignore the issues facing the country...again, if he paid NO taxes from day one and did it legally....I assure you that I dont care if Barrack gives me any more than the law allows


SO WHAT

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You say the Dems see this as an ISSUE THEREIN lies the problem.....ignore the issues facing the country...again, if he paid NO taxes from day one and did it legally....I assure you that I dont care if Barrack gives me any more than the law allows


SO WHAT





If it's a SO WHAT ................ why won't Willard release them? Something tells me there's more than a SO WHAT involved here.

Personally, I welcome his refusal - the more he refuses, the better it is for Obama.

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If it's a SO WHAT ................ why won't Willard release them? Something tells me there's more than a SO WHAT involved here.

Personally, I welcome his refusal - the more he refuses, the better it is for Obama.

Well, Barrack is sure pushing anything but our countries problems. I sure hope the voters do not vote on anything but what is the right plan for the USA !

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The widom is - Willards refusal to issue 10 years of returns, something all POTUS candidates do, is an issue for a lot of voters.

The fact that you find the annoyance of flies and love bugs more acceptable means nothing.

Dems are correct in talking about this issue. It plays well in middle america.

Willard is now even losing Florida !!!

guess issuing 10 yrs of returns is something candidates USED to do! congrats to mitt for following the rules. it is NOT an issue - it is a DEFLECTION from the facts re the state of the us of a!

finding flies, loves bugs,etc more annoying SHOULD mean something to the hammerers - it means i am tuning them OUT and will NOT listen to their whining!

it is NEVER a good thing to lose listeners whether they are in middle america or not!

so what about the polls!

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Let's see .......... Bin Laden is gone ........ Khaddafy is gone. Assad has one foot on a banana peel.

Dow is over 13k. 401(k)'s making $$ - finally................

165k jobs last month (remember when he took office we were losing 3/4 of a million jobs a month .........


he's got my vote

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An individual's tax returns are complete as soon as that individual signs his name and date on the dotted line and puts them in the mail. snip

maybe for some - BUT my husband and i figure our return is complete when the irs and both of us agree on a final number re who owes who and how much!

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Let's see .......... Bin Laden is gone ........ Khaddafy is gone. Assad has one foot on a banana peel.

Dow is over 13k. 401(k)'s making $$ - finally................

165k jobs last month (remember when he took office we were losing 3/4 of a million jobs a month .........


he's got my vote

deficit is not cut in half

unemployment is UP - AGAIN!

illegals are still pouring thru our borders

now the children of illegals can legally take some of those newly created jobs away from americans

obama has been secretly supporting the rebels in syria

banks are still not paying any interest to speak of on our savings

and obamacare is gonna kill me - just don't know if it will be financially or physically first!

mitt's got my vote!

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President Obama is out there every day explaining to people how Mitt Romney's tax plan will increase their taxes up to $2000 per year while giving him and other millionaires an $87,000 tax decrease annually per the new tax report study.

The president can't do much about the sequestration, that the congress passed, since they all left town yesterday, not returning until September. Congress also left the Farm Bill, the Violence Against Women Act, and much more unfinished business on the table. But they did manage to vote on the English as the official language bill yesterday and several more abortion bills before they left town.

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maybe for some - BUT my husband and i figure our return is complete when the irs and both of us agree on a final number re who owes who and how much!

If that's the case, then you and your husband will have to wait seven years. That is how long the IRS has to review your returns and audit you. Always keep those returns and receipts in a safe place.

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If that's the case, then you and your husband will have to wait seven years. That is how long the IRS has to review your returns and audit you. Always keep those returns and receipts in a safe place.

we know that - and we DO! thanx

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deficit is not cut in half

unemployment is UP - AGAIN!

illegals are still pouring thru our borders

now the children of illegals can legally take some of those newly created jobs away from americans

obama has been secretly supporting the rebels in syria

banks are still not paying any interest to speak of on our savings

and obamacare is gonna kill me - just don't know if it will be financially or physically first!

mitt's got my vote!

A couple of points here - Banks are still not paying any interest to speak of on savings. Definitely true but interest on loans and mortgages is at a very low point also. Remember under Carter that interest on savings was paying 10% but interest rates on mortgages was 15%? What is good for some is not good for others.

Lots of conservative posters here have been arguing that Obama should start arming rebels in Syria. Good idea or not? Time will tell. I say not.

Obamacare is not going to hurt you financially at all - and you will continue to get the same quality and timeliness of healthcare you get right now.

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A couple of points here - Banks are still not paying any interest to speak of on savings. Definitely true but interest on loans and mortgages is at a very low point also. Remember under Carter that interest on savings was paying 10% but interest rates on mortgages was 15%? What is good for some is not good for others.

Lots of conservative posters here have been arguing that Obama should start arming rebels in Syria. Good idea or not? Time will tell. I say not.

Obamacare is not going to hurt you financially at all - and you will continue to get the same quality and timeliness of healthcare you get right now.

I didnt read the arming of the rebels anywhere but assume it is true, just felt we should do something and not sure helping folks we dont know is correct.

BUT,,,what I would love for you to do is to read the abbreviated list of how we are to pay for Obama care...this is from the law itself and used by the CBO to cost it out (which cost continues to rise) and explain to me the certainty of these items so I can have your confidence that this will not hurt anyone financially.

1. .....Government payments to Medicaire advantage will be reduced by
132 Billion over 10 years

2. .....Medicaire payments for home health care will be reduced by 40 Billion

3. .....Extra social security taxes to be paid because of pay raised that folks
will receive in lieu of companies paying for health insurance

The above particular one intrigues me a lot..talk about maybe's

4. .....Medicaire payments for home health care will be reduced by 40 Billion

5. ..... A 3.9 tax on investment income for individuals over 200M and families over 250 M starting next year.

This next one is very intriguing...

6, .....Codification of the "economic substance doctrine" (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely--legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks "substance" and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.


That is just a few of them.....but lets start with them....to me, it is a no brainer that the cost will continue to grow as time goes by...tell me again to relax.

This does not include the tax we will pay if we dont have insurance, nor a number of others.

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A couple of points here - Banks are still not paying any interest to speak of on savings. Definitely true but interest on loans and mortgages is at a very low point also. Remember under Carter that interest on savings was paying 10% but interest rates on mortgages was 15%? What is good for some is not good for others.

Lots of conservative posters here have been arguing that Obama should start arming rebels in Syria. Good idea or not? Time will tell. I say not.

Obamacare is not going to hurt you financially at all - and you will continue to get the same quality and timeliness of healthcare you get right now.


Finally, a post with an intelligent foundation!

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Eight pages and 72 posts later we still have no resoultion concerning "Mitt's Taxes. This would indicate that we have some very strong candidates for Congress. Heck congressmen never get anything resolved either. Is this post grammatically correct?

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A couple of points here - Banks are still not paying any interest to speak of on savings. Definitely true but interest on loans and mortgages is at a very low point also. Remember under Carter that interest on savings was paying 10% but interest rates on mortgages was 15%? What is good for some is not good for others.

Lots of conservative posters here have been arguing that Obama should start arming rebels in Syria. Good idea or not? Time will tell. I say not.

Obamacare is not going to hurt you financially at all - and you will continue to get the same quality and timeliness of healthcare you get right now.

buggyone - good news - loan/mortgage rates are low; bad news - i don't need either and am not selling a home so i don't need anyone to get a mortgage to help me there. [ps - i paid 14% back then but was glad to get the 10% back on savings - net 4% cost. was thrilled when we could refi to [9%, 6% and then 4%]

syria - yes, time will tell BUT the secrecy is the polar opposite of obama's campaign promise of transparency!

obamacare won't hurt me financially - what about the tax on investment income? mine might not be as much as mitt's or buffett's - but i still do a happy dance all the way to the bank when those dividend checks come in! how much of that is obamacare gonna take from me to pay for something for someone else!

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Three congressmen have sent a letter to the Justice Department asking them to investigate how Mitt Romney accumulated between 20 and 100 million dollars in his IRA. They want to know how he got those returns in a tax free account. Was there insider trading? Was there something illegal?

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Three congressmen have sent a letter to the Justice Department asking them to investigate how Mitt Romney accumulated between 20 and 100 million dollars in his IRA. They want to know how he got those returns in a tax free account. Was there insider trading? Was there something illegal?

That is wonderful...how will Obama create jobs that he did not in the last 3 years ?


By the way, how do you stand on Reid stopping any control over the tax scams being done by iliegal immigrants that cost us in the BILLIONS !

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Three congressmen have sent a letter to the Justice Department asking them to investigate how Mitt Romney accumulated between 20 and 100 million dollars in his IRA. They want to know how he got those returns in a tax free account. Was there insider trading? Was there something illegal?

i so hope holder grants their request! it will absolutley seal the deal re how blind justice is in america under his direction!

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i so hope holder grants their request! it will absolutley seal the deal re how blind justice is in america under his direction!

So looking forward to hearing Mitt Romney explain how his $180,000 in contributions to his IRA, $6000 maximum amount allowed for 30 years, is now worth between 20 and 100 million dollars, and how he has been sheltering this money in a tax free account all these years.

Hopefully, this investigation will be fast-tracked so that we can hear Romney's explanation before the election. Perhaps it's time for republicans to think about nominating another candidate.

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So looking forward to hearing Mitt Romney explain how his $180,000 in contributions to his IRA, $6000 maximum amount allowed for 30 years, is now worth between 20 and 100 million dollars, and how he has been sheltering this money in a tax free account all these years.

Hopefully, this investigation will be fast-tracked so that we can hear Romney's explanation before the election. Perhaps it's time for republicans to think about nominating another candidate.

But the tax bill when it's drawn out is going to be a Lulu.

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it really is no mystery to wait for how it happened. The federal tax laws of this country allow it.....that means it ain't illegal. You might not like it....but anybody at any earnings or wealth level are eager to take advantage of those laws, loop holes and interpretations that allow one to pay less, little or no taxes.

That is why the big deal tax question is such a joke.....when do we move on to the real issues affecting America? How about Obama's alleged real estate deal in Illinois with his real estate buddy to sell of pieces of property to diminish the real value and pay lessor tax? Don't worry about it. He is a lawyer...he did not do anything illegal.....some of us just don't like it.

It has nothing to do with or affect electability....just like it apparently did not affect voting for Obama.

btk

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I agree. I'm tired of the mud slinging with the only purpose to discredit everyone but the slinger.

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So looking forward to hearing Mitt Romney explain how his $180,000 in contributions to his IRA, $6000 maximum amount allowed for 30 years, is now worth between 20 and 100 million dollars, and how he has been sheltering this money in a tax free account all these years.

Hopefully, this investigation will be fast-tracked so that we can hear Romney's explanation before the election. Perhaps it's time for republicans to think about nominating another candidate.

hopefully it will spur holder to address the REAL problems within this administration - fast-tracked or not!

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So looking forward to hearing Mitt Romney explain how his $180,000 in contributions to his IRA, $6000 maximum amount allowed for 30 years, is now worth between 20 and 100 million dollars, and how he has been sheltering this money in a tax free account all these years.....

Maybe that question should be asked of Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner who's over the IRS, to see why they have not prosecuted Romney for such alleged violations.

After all, Geithner is no stranger to working the system......

"The statute of limitations had expired for 2001 and 2002, and Geithner did not file amended returns or pay the additional amounts due for those years until after Obama expressed his intent to nominate Geithner to be Secretary of the Treasury.

He also deducted the cost of his children's sleep-away camp as a dependent care expense, when only expenses for day care are eligible for the deduction, failed to assess himself an early-withdrawal penalty from a retirement plan, took a charitable-contribution deduction for ineligible items, an improper small-business deduction, and made illegal expensing of utility costs that went for personal use."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Geithner

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Maybe that question should be asked of Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner who's over the IRS, to see why they have not prosecuted Romney for such alleged violations.

After all, Geithner is no stranger to working the system......

"The statute of limitations had expired for 2001 and 2002, and Geithner did not file amended returns or pay the additional amounts due for those years until after Obama expressed his intent to nominate Geithner to be Secretary of the Treasury.

He also deducted the cost of his children's sleep-away camp as a dependent care expense, when only expenses for day care are eligible for the deduction, failed to assess himself an early-withdrawal penalty from a retirement plan, took a charitable-contribution deduction for ineligible items, an improper small-business deduction, and made illegal expensing of utility costs that went for personal use."

Timothy Geithner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Geithner)

That is the purpose of the letter to the Justice Department, to investigate Mitt Romney's IRA holdings. Every day Romney is talking about his taxes, his IRA holdings, his offshore accounts, his dancing horse, his car elevators is a winning day for Preseident Obama, who is out there every day explaining to people how Romney's tax plan will increase their taxes by as much as $2000 per year while reducing his taxes by $87,000 annually.

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That is the purpose of the letter to the Justice Department, to investigate Mitt Romney's IRA holdings. Every day Romney is talking about his taxes, his IRA holdings, his offshore accounts, his dancing horse, his car elevators is a winning day for Preseident Obama, who is out there every day explaining to people how Romney's tax plan will increase their taxes by as much as $2000 per year while reducing his taxes by $87,000 annually.

We are really watching and reading at different posts !!!

I have seen NOTHING of what you say Romney is saying.....as I didnt see Obama's JOBS bill that you saw ......guess I am tuned in to the wrong reading materials, etc.

Does Obama ever talk about his plans for jobs, or anything like that in whatever you read ? I have heard a rumor that Romney wants to change the tax code sustantially but of course it is only a rumor.....didnt Obama have a committee looking into that one time..oh, in my reading material, he dumped them !!!

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It is interesting to see some on this thread continue to pound the table and demanding an accounting as did harry Reid to the Senate.

first romney has already turned over more years than are required by law to do so.

Secondly Harry Reid in spite of his demands for romney's taxes refuses to share his taxes.

Thirdly Romney's tax returns shows he paid what was required of him by law.

Fourth those demanding more tax returns and especially those on this thread would gain nothing because they wouldn't understand them in the first place.
Heck these poster making such demands probably have to take their simple tax filings to H&R Block. Geeezzz

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We are really watching and reading at different posts !!!

I have seen NOTHING of what you say Romney is saying.....as I didnt see Obama's JOBS bill that you saw ......guess I am tuned in to the wrong reading materials, etc.

Does Obama ever talk about his plans for jobs, or anything like that in whatever you read ? I have heard a rumor that Romney wants to change the tax code sustantially but of course it is only a rumor.....didnt Obama have a committee looking into that one time..oh, in my reading material, he dumped them !!!

Mitt Romney spent his whole news conference yesterday (Friday) in Las Vegas talking about his taxes. President Obama's American Jobs Act would have been discussed, if Speaker John Boehner had brought it to a vote on the house floor, but Boehner was too busy calling for a vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act 33 times.

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Mitt Romney spent his whole news conference yesterday (Friday) in Las Vegas talking about his taxes. President Obama's American Jobs Act would have been discussed, if Speaker John Boehner had brought it to a vote on the house floor, but Boehner was too busy calling for a vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act 33 times.

1. It is shameful that a presidential candidate is made to have those discussions; Just terrible and I think the american voter has had just about enough.

2. Boehner did not stop the vote. Mr Reid stopped the vote in the Senate because of defections in the Democratic party !

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That is the purpose of the letter to the Justice Department, to investigate Mitt Romney's IRA holdings. Every day Romney is talking about his taxes, his IRA holdings, his offshore accounts, his dancing horse, his car elevators is a winning day for Preseident Obama, who is out there every day explaining to people how Romney's tax plan will increase their taxes by as much as $2000 per year while reducing his taxes by $87,000 annually.

do you mean that every day romney is out explaining that the allegations made against his taxes, holdings, accounts, equine therapy/investment, etc are baseless, legal/lawful - and are democratic diversions from facts such as unemployment is not at 6%, obama secret agreements and sealed records are not kept promises of transparency, obamacare is not a tax, and the deficit has not been cut in half?

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It is interesting to see some on this thread continue to pound the table and demanding an accounting as did harry Reid to the Senate.

first romney has already turned over more years than are required by law to do so.

Secondly Harry Reid in spite of his demands for romney's taxes refuses to share his taxes.

Thirdly Romney's tax returns shows he paid what was required of him by law.

Fourth those demanding more tax returns and especially those on this thread would gain nothing because they wouldn't understand them in the first place.
Heck these poster making such demands probably have to take their simple tax filings to H&R Block. Geeezzz

Wow, that's a pretty large and rude assumption on your part.

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"Fourth those demanding more tax returns and especially those on this thread would gain nothing because they wouldn't understand them in the first place.
Heck these poster making such demands probably have to take their simple tax filings to H&R Block."

I bet that Sarah Palin doesn't have the smarts to understand simple tax filings. After all, it took her 6 years and 5 colleges to get her Bachelor's degree. :1rotfl:

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"Fourth those demanding more tax returns and especially those on this thread would gain nothing because they wouldn't understand them in the first place.
Heck these poster making such demands probably have to take their simple tax filings to H&R Block."

I bet that Sarah Palin doesn't have the smarts to understand simple tax filings. After all, it took her 6 years and 5 colleges to get her Bachelor's degree. :1rotfl:

Sarah Palin is not on any ballot.

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So looking forward to hearing Mitt Romney explain how his $180,000 in contributions to his IRA, $6000 maximum amount allowed for 30 years.....

Do you have any clue that there are different kinds of IRA's, for different income levels and their taxation??

$6,000 maximum?? Have you ever heard, for example, of a SEP IRA, for self-employed people???

SEP IRA
Best for: High-income business owners who want to maximize contributions through an uncomplicated plan with low fees. SEPs also work well for small-business owners with mostly low-paid, high-turnover employees, because there's no vesting structure and less incentive for employees to stay long-term.

With a simplified employee pension, or SEP, you can contribute up to 20% of your net self-employment income (which is income minus half of your self-employment tax) to a SEP, up to a maximum of $49,000 for 2009. The deadline is October 15, 2009, if you get an extension for filing your 2008 tax return. There's no additional salary deferral, so your income must be at least $245,000 before you reach the $49,000 contribution level.

Kiplinger.com (http://www.kiplinger.com/basics/archives/2003/03/plans.html)

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Do you have any clue that there are different kinds of IRA's, for different income levels and their taxation??

$6,000 maximum?? Have you ever heard, for example, of a SEP IRA, for self-employed people???

SEP IRA
Best for: High-income business owners who want to maximize contributions through an uncomplicated plan with low fees. SEPs also work well for small-business owners with mostly low-paid, high-turnover employees, because there's no vesting structure and less incentive for employees to stay long-term.

With a simplified employee pension, or SEP, you can contribute up to 20% of your net self-employment income (which is income minus half of your self-employment tax) to a SEP, up to a maximum of $49,000 for 2009. The deadline is October 15, 2009, if you get an extension for filing your 2008 tax return. There's no additional salary deferral, so your income must be at least $245,000 before you reach the $49,000 contribution level.

Kiplinger.com (http://www.kiplinger.com/basics/archives/2003/03/plans.html)

Way too complicated for me. This is what the Justice Department and the Treasury Department get paid to figure out. Add that to the Security and Exchange Commission investigation of when Mitt Romney actually departed Bain Capital and why he was signing agreements after his so-called retroactive retirement.

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Wow, that's a pretty large and rude assumption on your part.

Posh: I see your point and a look back tells me perhaps I would have re-worded number 4. However, the issue of taxes is a very complicated process and I understand why a guy like Romney would not want all of his taxes under the scrutiny of people who have little accounting tax expertise. Because all they are going to use it for is fodder as a distraction from the real issues in this campaign

My filings are not that difficult yet I hire a CPA annually and so number 4 was also suggested with me in mind and I have credentials in investing and insurance.

So if my earlier posting offended anyone I do apologize for the bad wording but not the intent.

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Posh: I see your point and a look back tells me perhaps I would have re-worded number 4. However, the issue of taxes is a very complicated process and I understand why a guy like Romney would not want all of his taxes under the scrutiny of people who have little accounting tax expertise. Because all they are going to use it for is fodder as a distraction from the real issues in this campaign

My filings are not that difficult yet I hire a CPA annually and so number 4 was also suggested with me in mind and I have credentials in investing and insurance.

So if my earlier posting offended anyone I do apologize for the bad wording but not the intent.

Thanks!

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Posh: I see your point and a look back tells me perhaps I would have re-worded number 4. However, the issue of taxes is a very complicated process and I understand why a guy like Romney would not want all of his taxes under the scrutiny of people who have little accounting tax expertise. Because all they are going to use it for is fodder as a distraction from the real issues in this campaign

My filings are not that difficult yet I hire a CPA annually and so number 4 was also suggested with me in mind and I have credentials in investing and insurance.

So if my earlier posting offended anyone I do apologize for the bad wording but not the intent.

I think you and POSH handled it quite well !!

Now, how do we reduce the noise on Romney's returns. Guilt by insinuation and constant yapping. WOW.....folks I know on the left are even sick of it.

But you guys handled it well !

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Gov Romney's handlers have made a calculation that exposing the Tax Returns would create more damage than keeping them private IMO. After all he shared them with Sen. McCain and Sarah Palin was picked.

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Gov Romney's handlers have made a calculation that exposing the Tax Returns would create more damage than keeping them private IMO. After all he shared them with Sen. McCain and Sarah Palin was picked.


I do not believe that at all...in anyway shape or form !!!

Romney is a very very very rich man...NONE of us can relate to that. He has a battery of lawyers and tax accountants...not individuals...companies of them to handle his taxes.

They are complex beyond any persons understanding and I am sure he has taken every single tax advantage possible to reduce his liability.

Disclosing them would open them to become the campaign...and you know as well as I they would be the ONLY thing discussed. Once one item was responded to, another comes up. If the IRS is satisfied and by all accounts, despite the criminal and terrible accusations leveled, there is no evidence of any wrong doing (Unlike MOST of those in the Obama administration) so why put them on the table and what purpose does it serve for anyone but Obama's campaign ?

It is much ado about nothing and those who continue on the path, in my estimation, have no real substance to talk about. It is getting so old that it is driving Dems away...they are making criminal accusations...on behalf of the President of the US...that is pretty demeaning to that office !

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I do not believe that at all...in anyway shape or form !!!

Romney is a very very very rich man...NONE of us can relate to that. He has a battery of lawyers and tax accountants...not individuals...companies of them to handle his taxes.

They are complex beyond any persons understanding and I am sure he has taken every single tax advantage possible to reduce his liability.

Disclosing them would open them to become the campaign...and you know as well as I they would be the ONLY thing discussed. Once one item was responded to, another comes up. If the IRS is satisfied and by all accounts, despite the criminal and terrible accusations leveled, there is no evidence of any wrong doing (Unlike MOST of those in the Obama administration) so why put them on the table and what purpose does it serve for anyone but Obama's campaign ?

It is much ado about nothing and those who continue on the path, in my estimation, have no real substance to talk about. It is getting so old that it is driving Dems away...they are making criminal accusations...on behalf of the President of the US...that is pretty demeaning to that office !

Whoa big guy. Where did I say criminal? You are getting worked up for nothing. Please reread my post and think about it. I think you will find that I was saying the same as you. "Disclosing them would open them to become the campaign"

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Whoa big guy. Where did I say criminal? You are getting worked up for nothing. Please reread my post and think about it. I think you will find that I was saying the same as you. "Disclosing them would open them to become the campaign"

I am sorry...I thought you implied that they saw something fishy or something.....ok...we agree...my bad...reading comprehension goes fast :)

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Whoa big guy. Where did I say criminal? You are getting worked up for nothing. Please reread my post and think about it. I think you will find that I was saying the same as you. "Disclosing them would open them to become the campaign"

Mitt Romney can't release his tax returns, because if he does the Democrats will be mean to him? These are tax returns, factual documents. No different than, say a birth certificate. But the GOP argues that inconvenient facts can be withheld from public scrutiny, because they can be used for mean purposes is a radical idea in a democracy.

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maybe the tax obsession is the one and only thing that is important to some. It surely makes a statement if it is.

To continue day in and day out on minutia is truly unbelievable or the party has run short on issuing new(er) talking points.

Wake me up when the real issues that affect Americans EVER comes up for discussion....or should I say get discussed because I know me and others have tried and failed to get any response.

Until then be happy in your plight for tax returns....that will be so helpful in your future years!!

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Do you have any clue that there are different kinds of IRA's, for different income levels and their taxation??

$6,000 maximum?? Have you ever heard, for example, of a SEP IRA, for self-employed people???

SEP IRA
Best for: High-income business owners who want to maximize contributions through an uncomplicated plan with low fees. SEPs also work well for small-business owners with mostly low-paid, high-turnover employees, because there's no vesting structure and less incentive for employees to stay long-term.

With a simplified employee pension, or SEP, you can contribute up to 20% of your net self-employment income (which is income minus half of your self-employment tax) to a SEP, up to a maximum of $49,000 for 2009. The deadline is October 15, 2009, if you get an extension for filing your 2008 tax return. There's no additional salary deferral, so your income must be at least $245,000 before you reach the $49,000 contribution level.

Kiplinger.com (http://www.kiplinger.com/basics/archives/2003/03/plans.html)
If it is a SEP-IRA, let's say he contributed $50K per year (to make the math simple) for 30 years - that is still only $1.5M in contributions. Also, we know that $50K would not have been the limit for all of those 30 years as there have been incremental increases. In addition, I'm not certain that he would have been eligible for a SEP-IRA during all of those years because he was an employee (Boston Group and IOCC) at certain times in the past 30 years.

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I think it's very simple. If the general public(middle class)really sees what is going on with tax loopholes for the rich and how much they don't pay in relation to the % they should be paying some independents will be shocked , angry and might take it out on him at the polls. I just think he realizes that disclosure will hurt him more than hiding them from us. And please I am also not saying Romney did anything criminal,what's criminal is a tax code that allows the many loopholes for what seems to be only the wealthy.

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So looking forward to hearing Mitt Romney explain how his $180,000 in contributions to his IRA, $6000 maximum amount allowed for 30 years, is now worth between 20 and 100 million dollars, and how he has been sheltering this money in a tax free account all these years.

Hopefully, this investigation will be fast-tracked so that we can hear Romney's explanation before the election. Perhaps it's time for republicans to think about nominating another candidate. For general information, it is possible to roll over funds from other retirement accounts to an IRA without violating the contribution limit. It is also possible to have shares of your company stock in a retirement account and if the company does well the value of your IRA stock can also do well. Just think of how some of the internet companies have done in the past few years.

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For clarification, the roll-over accounts would have had the same contribution limits.
The shares of company stock would also be similarly restricted to the IRS contribution limit.

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I think it's very simple. If the general public(middle class)really sees what is going on with tax loopholes for the rich and how much they don't pay in relation to the % they should be paying some independents will be shocked , angry and might take it out on him at the polls. I just think he realizes that disclosure will hurt him more than hiding them from us. And please I am also not saying Romney did anything criminal,what's criminal is a tax code that allows the many loopholes for what seems to be only the wealthy.

waynet - and where whould these unknowing general public/middle class be living - under rocks? do you really think they are not aware of these abuses? - OR - that there are democrats taking advantage of them, too? - many of whom in both parties those general public/middle class voters keep reelecting to congress!

rather, i believe that is why so many general public/middle class folks want to see major changes to our tax codes - and are frustrated because no one will listen to what we want because they are too busy telling us what we need!

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I think it's very simple. If the general public(middle class)really sees what is going on with tax loopholes for the rich and how much they don't pay in relation to the % they should be paying some independents will be shocked , angry and might take it out on him at the polls. I just think he realizes that disclosure will hurt him more than hiding them from us. And please I am also not saying Romney did anything criminal,what's criminal is a tax code that allows the many loopholes for what seems to be only the wealthy.

Now that is something I agree with as does Governor Romney. We need tax code revision badly and had Obama not ignored the committee he appointed we might be on our way but it will take a long time.

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Here's a good article on how Timothy Geithner, Treasury Secretary has become known as "Secretary Loophole".....

It shows what convoluted schemes can be carried out while following the "letter of the law" in the tax code.

This is good reading for everyone, regardless of being a righty or a lefty.

The American Spectator : Secretary Loophole (http://spectator.org/archives/2009/05/15/secretary-loophole/print)

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Here's a good article on how Timothy Geithner, Treasury Secretary has become known as "Secretary Loophole".....

It shows what convoluted schemes can be carried out while following the "letter of the law" in the tax code.

This is good reading for everyone, regardless of being a righty or a lefty.

The American Spectator : Secretary Loophole (http://spectator.org/archives/2009/05/15/secretary-loophole/print)


THAT is an incredible read.....sort of answers a number of questions though

Thanks for a great read !

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Now that is something I agree with as does Governor Romney. We need tax code revision badly and had Obama not ignored the committee he appointed we might be on our way but it will take a long time.

When Obama doesn't accomplish something he's ignoring it; when he tries he's wrong....nothing, absolutely nothing he does gains approval with the Party of No. Oh, and I can predict the replies. "we approve of him losing"...cute. :ohdear:

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The number of prominent republicans now calling for Mitt Romney to release his tax returns is now up to 21, with Ed Rollins being the latest to call for the release on Fox News Sunday.

Top GOP Strategist Pushes Romney To Release More Tax Returns: 'Two Years Is Not Enough, Obviously" | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/05/640781/top-gop-strategist-pushes-romney-to-release-more-tax-returns-two-years-is-not-enough-obviously/)


Ann Coulter said on ABC's This Week, that Bill Clinton never released his medical records. Someone should tell Coulter it's not Mitt Romney's medical records that are in question.

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The number of prominent republicans now calling for Mitt Romney to release his tax returns is now up to 21, with Ed Rollins being the latest to call for the release on Fox News Sunday.

Top GOP Strategist Pushes Romney To Release More Tax Returns: 'Two Years Is Not Enough, Obviously" | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/05/640781/top-gop-strategist-pushes-romney-to-release-more-tax-returns-two-years-is-not-enough-obviously/)


Ann Coulter said on ABC's This Week, that Bill Clinton never released his medical records. Someone should tell Coulter it's not Mitt Romney's medical records that are in question.

Remember every time Coulter opens her mouth it creates a cash flow for her, same with Palin. The more controversial the speak, the more cash they make.

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media based knowledge is so limiting. So biased! And remember it is their job to be first, then they will determine if it is true or not!!!!

I suspect the "prominent" republicans are only playing the vote saving game.

I also suspect that EVERY politician with 6 figures or more of net worth are also playing the game and wishing/hoping desperately that the tax fluff and distraction goes away.....remember like Pelosi said there are far more important issues to worry about.

Yup if Mitt has to show his then a lot of others will have to follow and show theirs....

Just why does anybody care what his tax returns show? We know what ever they show will be legal and allowed by the IRS.
There were many more controversial issues Obama related when he was a candidate.....I guess the advantage then and now is anything with doubt involving Obama gets little of no coverage by the main stream media....the information source (unfortunately for them ) of millions of loyal followers.

How eager would any of you be to show your tax returns to a bunch of known waiting vultures who have only one objective in mind. To make you look bad...even if you are not....to say things to put you on the defense....to lie about what they saw to discredit you.....now how many of you that are so eager for Romney to do that would do so as well.

And please don't belittle yourself by telling me he is running for POTUS.....just please answer the question. Would it be OK for a group of waiting vultures do that to you?
As with all the other specific questions ever asked on this forum, I do not expect this one to be answered either.....anyway we all know the answer is no!!!

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The number of prominent republicans now calling for Mitt Romney to release his tax returns is now up to 21, with Ed Rollins being the latest to call for the release on Fox News Sunday.

Top GOP Strategist Pushes Romney To Release More Tax Returns: 'Two Years Is Not Enough, Obviously" | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/05/640781/top-gop-strategist-pushes-romney-to-release-more-tax-returns-two-years-is-not-enough-obviously/)


Ann Coulter said on ABC's This Week, that Bill Clinton never released his medical records. Someone should tell Coulter it's not Mitt Romney's medical records that are in question.









Willard seems to be taking the position that if he ignores these calls to releases more of his returns, the issue will fade away.

Either this week, or next, he will announce his VP pick, and that will take some of the heat off the tax return issue. But, it will not go away - wonder how many years of returns his VP will be required to release.

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Willard seems to be taking the position that if he ignores these calls to releases more of his returns, the issue will fade away.

Either this week, or next, he will announce his VP pick, and that will take some of the heat off the tax return issue. But, it will not go away - wonder how many years of returns his VP will be required to release.

That is a very good question. I'm thinking Romney's vetting team will see many years of returns but we the little people will never get a peep.

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nj,the unknowing general public lives next door to you and probably includes you as far as knowing the tax code. I said it earlier I will say it again if the American public sees how the tax code really works for the very wealthy the voting backlash will be significant. those of you who say it will be disected,bisected and put under the microscope are correct and I believe the American public will be amazed and shocked and disgusted.Again,I do not think Romney did anything wrong,he just took advantage of a unequal tax system.

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nj,the unknowing general public lives next door to you and probably includes you as far as knowing the tax code. I said it earlier I will say it again if the American public sees how the tax code really works for the very wealthy the voting backlash will be significant. those of you who say it will be disected,bisected and put under the microscope are correct and I believe the American public will be amazed and shocked and disgusted.Again,I do not think Romney did anything wrong,he just took advantage of a unequal tax system.


AND I agree with you ! He, and others have repeatedly asked for revisions to the tax code.

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RNC chairman, Reince Preibus called Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) a "dirty liar" on ABC's This Week today. Apparently this makes Reid 'Dirty Harry'. If only there were some way to clear this up once and for all, so we could get on with the problems this country is facing.


Reince Priebus: Harry Reid Is A 'Dirty Liar' (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/05/reince-priebus-harry-reid_n_1743825.html)

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RNC chairman, Reince Preibus called Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) a "dirty liar" on ABC's This Week today. Apparently this makes Reid 'Dirty Harry'. If only there were some way to clear this up once and for all, so we could get on with the problems this country is facing.


Reince Priebus: Harry Reid Is A 'Dirty Liar' (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/05/reince-priebus-harry-reid_n_1743825.html)

That would appear to be entirely up to the Obama campaign as Romney has met his legal requirements and a smidgen more and is not going to go any further and since all the uproar is from that campaign, it would appear to be up to him when we can discuss the many problems we have !

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Willard better have a good answer as to why he refuses to release the same number of returns that previous POTUS candidates have released. You can bet this will be issue 1 in the first debate.

Willard "meeting the legal requirement" is not good enough.

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RNC chairman, Reince Preibus called Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) a "dirty liar" on ABC's This Week today. Apparently this makes Reid 'Dirty Harry'. If only there were some way to clear this up once and for all, so we could get on with the problems this country is facing.


Reince Priebus: Harry Reid Is A 'Dirty Liar' (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/05/reince-priebus-harry-reid_n_1743825.html)

Oooooh....a 'dirty liar' must be so much worse than just a liar. He has such a way with words. :ohdear:

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That would appear to be entirely up to the Obama campaign as Romney has met his legal requirements and a smidgen more and is not going to go any further and since all the uproar is from that campaign, it would appear to be up to him when we can discuss the many problems we have !

Don't forget, the rich are raping this country and their high paid lawyers are keeping it in the legal column that they themselves bought into law.

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Mitt Romney raised such a stink when his opponent Shannon O'Brien's husband would not release his tax return. That's correct, her husband. Mrs O'Brien released her tax return, which Romney never did, during their 2002 gubernatorial contest, but Romney was outraged that O'Brien's husband would not release his. Romney was also outraged when Teddy Kennedy would not release his tax returns in 1994, when they opposed each other for senate.

Romney has no argument to make about releasing tax returns when these old videotapes are played of him whining on and on about other people's tax returns.

During the 2002 democratic gubernatorial primary in MA, all the democratic candidates released tax returns. Romney refused. This is what makes him such a hypocrite on the issue. What's sauce for the goose isn't necessarily sauce for the gander.

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he does have one really good excuse....he has fulfilled all the obligations placed on him legally as a candidate.

And we all know the tax mania is nothing more than the political distraction that it is.

Are you ready and willing to turn your returns over to a pack of vultures whose ONLY goal is to make you look bad some how. Would you allow that to happen to you?

This question has not ever been answered when ever I ask it. I don't expect an answer from those who support the no matter what philosophy.

When you have nothing invested it is oh so easy to throw stones.

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he does have one really good excuse....he has fulfilled all the obligations placed on him legally as a candidate.

And we all know the tax mania is nothing more than the political distraction that it is.

Are you ready and willing to turn your returns over to a pack of vultures whose ONLY goal is to make you look bad some how. Would you allow that to happen to you?

This question has not ever been answered when ever I ask it. I don't expect an answer from those who support the no matter what philosophy.

When you have nothing invested it is oh so easy to throw stones.

btk

This turning over your returns to a pack of vultures wasn't an issue for President Obama, the Clintons, the Bushes, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, or Richard Nixon. Do you want me to list the hundreds of top cabinet officials and vice presidential candidates that it wasn't an issue? BTW I'm not running for president.

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You are confused as are most of the far right wing. The people, yes us working stiffs, just want to know what the Man is hiding. We don't think he is guilty of crimes or guilty of being rich. Just show me.

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Don't forget, the rich are raping this country and their high paid lawyers are keeping it in the legal column that they themselves bought into law.

Oh, please. Obama and the Senate Democrats ARE "high-paid lawyers" who ARE "the rich", and they have not passed a federal budget in four years!!!!!!

Top 10 Wealthiest Senators

John Kerry, D-Mass.
Average net worth: $238,812,296

Mark Warner, D-Va.
Average net worth: $174,385,102

Herb Kohl, D-Wis.
Average net worth: $160,302,011

James E. Risch, R-Idaho
Average net worth: $109,034,052

Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.
Average net worth: $98,832,010

Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn.
Average net worth: $94,870,116

Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
Average net worth: $77,082,134

Frank R. Lautenberg, D-N.J.
Average net worth: $76,886,611

Bob Corker, R-Tenn.
Average net worth: $50,717,522

John Kerry, D-Mass.*Pictures - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-250_162-10008411-2.html?tag=page)

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The most interesting aspect of the election frightened left on the issue of Romney's taxes is the actions of U.S. Senate leader Harry Reid.

Harry has been saying that someone from Bane Capital has been divulging information about Romney's taxes to him. THAT IS A FEDERAL CRIME AND A FELONY.

The IRS and the FBI should be investigating these allegations to find this person and determine the truth of what Harry is saying. If Harry lies at all, that also is a federal crime. Can you say Scooter Libby or Martha Stewart?

These are serious concerns and the IRS should be on top of this.

We all know that's not gonna happen, though.

RICHIE....I am in Tampa right now....I think I told you on here once before that we have a condo here also (at least for a few more months), Anyway, Tampa is a very liberal city......I talk to lots and lots of folks who are just plain sick and tired of all of this Bain, and the tax situation and I cannot use the words they use to describe Reid.

I really think these last few months, while many Dems seem to be having fun taking shots are going to backfire BIG TIME !!! I have spoken to Dems here who are actually active in the party and they are saying they might just take this election "off"....just not vote....they are not going to support Romney of course but they have about had it with this Obama machine !

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Oh, please. Obama and the Senate Democrats ARE "high-paid lawyers" who ARE "the rich", and they have not passed a federal budget in four years!!!!!!

Top 10 Wealthiest Senators

John Kerry, D-Mass.
Average net worth: $238,812,296

Mark Warner, D-Va.
Average net worth: $174,385,102

Herb Kohl, D-Wis.
Average net worth: $160,302,011

James E. Risch, R-Idaho
Average net worth: $109,034,052

Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.
Average net worth: $98,832,010

Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn.
Average net worth: $94,870,116

Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
Average net worth: $77,082,134

Frank R. Lautenberg, D-N.J.
Average net worth: $76,886,611

Bob Corker, R-Tenn.
Average net worth: $50,717,522

John Kerry, D-Mass.*Pictures - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-250_162-10008411-2.html?tag=page)

Yeah, that continuing thing on rich versus poor thing does not translate very well when you look at this stuff......the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot I do believe !

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You are confused as are most of the far right wing. The people, yes us working stiffs, just want to know what the Man is hiding. We don't think he is guilty of crimes or guilty of being rich. Just show me.

You have no right to see it. THE LAW, and this country still is of laws and not men, says he has done a bit more than required. If you do not want to discuss issues and make this one, the american voter will see through that !

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RICHIE....I am in Tampa right now....I think I told you on here once before that we have a condo here also (at least for a few more months), Anyway, Tampa is a very liberal city......I talk to lots and lots of folks who are just plain sick and tired of all of this Bain, and the tax situation and I cannot use the words they use to describe Reid.

I really think these last few months, while many Dems seem to be having fun taking shots are going to backfire BIG TIME !!! I have spoken to Dems here who are actually active in the party and they are saying they might just take this election "off"....just not vote....they are not going to support Romney of course but they have about had it with this Obama machine !

I'm glad to hear this report from you. My instincts have been telling me that even Dems can't be buying all this crap they're being fed, for they know Obama and Reid are flushing this country either by accident, or maybe even on purpose.

I think the Dems are going to find far too many of their usual voters staying home on Nov. 6th. Obama knows it too and that's why they're trying to whip up support among groups like the gays and the Latino's and abortion advocates by using the scare politics we've seen of late.

This is why I discount the polls. They're polling people who are ultimately going to sit on their vote.

On the other hand, the Republican voter is more staunch than they have been in years.

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I'm glad to hear this report from you. My instincts have been telling me that even Dems can't be buying all this crap they're being fed, for they know Obama and Reid are flushing this country either by accident, or maybe even on purpose.

I think the Dems are going to find far too many of their usual voters staying home on Nov. 7th. Obama knows it too and that's why they're trying to whip up support among groups like the gays and the Latino's and abortion advocates by using the scare politics we've seen of late.

This is why I discount the polls. They're polling people who are ultimately going to sit on their vote.

On the other hand, the Republican voter is more staunch than they have been in years.

You are correct about Democrats staying home on Nov 7th after a big night of celebrating on election day Nov 6th, but you keep telling yourself to vote on Nov 7th.

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You are correct about Democrats staying home on Nov 7th after a big night of celebrating on election day Nov 6th, but you keep telling yourself to vote on Nov 7th.

OK, I got the date mixed in my head, but at least you cannot refute my post. I'll go back and fix it now wiseguy.

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OK, I got the date mixed in my head, but at least you cannot refute my post. I'll go back and fix it now wiseguy.

THat post is what the Democrats are all about now....make a big deal of the nothing stuff and ridicule ...just make sure you do not talk about our actual problems, make accusations of any kind no matter what...reducing the political climate to the lowest possible denominater

That poster knew quite well what you meant but a great rep of the party the Democrats have become.

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This turning over your returns to a pack of vultures wasn't an issue for President Obama, the Clintons, the Bushes, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, or Richard Nixon. Do you want me to list the hundreds of top cabinet officials and vice presidential candidates that it wasn't an issue? BTW I'm not running for president.

and it is NOT an issue for romney - he is NOT turning over any more than is required - that's it - it's over - no issue!

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nj,the unknowing general public lives next door to you and probably includes you as far as knowing the tax code. I said it earlier I will say it again if the American public sees how the tax code really works for the very wealthy the voting backlash will be significant. those of you who say it will be disected,bisected and put under the microscope are correct and I believe the American public will be amazed and shocked and disgusted.Again,I do not think Romney did anything wrong,he just took advantage of a unequal tax system.

i don't have to know the tax code - nor does anyone - to know it is stacked against anyone less than rich - or to know that there are abuses of it; i know the abuses that are also exercised by the poor! i am not be amazed by them. i worked in govt long enough to know that there are enough loopholes in laws that they could be used to strain macaroni! i even know that laws are written specifically to INCLUDE loopholes!

and as long as the majority of the current cast of characters in congress continue to return to their desks there - nothing will change - they, like romney, gates, buffett are taking advantage of it! maybe the tea party could add tax reform to their platform - if it has not already - am not familiar with it.

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Willard better have a good answer as to why he refuses to release the same number of returns that previous POTUS candidates have released. You can bet this will be issue 1 in the first debate.

Willard "meeting the legal requirement" is not good enough.

how about 'because he doesn't have to' sorta like when ya tell the nagging kids 'because i'm the mother and i said so'!

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You are confused as are most of the far right wing. The people, yes us working stiffs, just want to know what the Man is hiding. We don't think he is guilty of crimes or guilty of being rich. Just show me.

when my mother told me to show her what i was hiding - she sure didn't think i had done something right! she was sure i had done something wrong! what do you think your mother thought when she asked you what you were hiding?

so i am not too sure that the assessment of working stiffs wanting to see mitt's tax returns is because they do not believe he is not guilty of something more than just being rich.

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how about 'because he doesn't have to' sorta like when ya tell the nagging kids 'because i'm the mother and i said so'!







Yeah, that'll play well with the voters ........

Excellent response ..............

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please feel free to list all those currently in the congress who have yet to submit to the IRS information that has been requested of them.

Thanx for the humor attempt by stating you are not running for POTUS.....now how about answering the question?

btk

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Yeah, that'll play well with the voters ........

Excellent response ..............

at least voters are more likely to understand that than they are mitt's tax returns!

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at least voters are more likely to understand that than they are mitt's tax returns!

They will certainly understand if he paid no taxes for 10 years as it is alleged. That will not set well with the 99%. :icon_wink:

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They will certainly understand if he paid no taxes for 10 years as it is alleged. That will not set well with the 99%. :icon_wink:

well, they shouldn't be upset...if mitt paid no taxes for 10 years - how would he be any different from the 46% of american households that pay no taxes? are they part of that 99%? those 99%ers must be really bad at math! ;)

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The country is going down "in flames" with Obama at the helm and the country's going to be focused on Romney's tax returns?

Liberals are buffoons.

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The rich are raping our country? When was the last time a poor person offered you a job?

Far too many including most liberals believe what you earn no matter the amount belongs to the government first and you get to keep what others decide.

The ignorant seem to hate the rich but love the true rapists... the government.

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This is part of an article in the Boston Herald which in general lets us in on some of Harry Reids little games and also asks Romney to stand up and let em have it (which I espouse) but this small para gives you an idea of what our President is all about when it comes to politics...this was issued as a warning to Romney about this group...

"Refresh yourself about Barack’s Senate election in Illinois and the suddenly released divorce records of both his Democrat and Republican foes. Recall the 2008 presidential campaign, and the abject lies Obama’s media rumpswabs knowingly peddled. Remember The New York Times [NYT]’ stories about John McCain’s mistress who wasn’t, or Todd Palin’s membership in the Alaska National Party, which likewise was totally false. How many ****-poor columns has Gail Collins written about Seamus the dog on the roof, but Barack Obama actually eating dogs ... crickets please.

Mitt, can’t you find some Republican as sleazy as Harry Reid to start making charges about Barry Soetoro. I mean, you’re running against the capo of the Choom Gang, a guy with multiple names, multiple birthplaces, somebody who gave up his law license for never-explained reasons, a guy with a Social Security number from a state he never lived in.

And you turn the other cheek? You should have given Rich Gorka a raise for ripping into those Barack bumkissers in Poland. Instead, you benched him"

No more Mittster nice guy! - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20220805no_more_mittster_nice_guy_its_time_to_figh t_back_against_dirty_harry/srvc=home&position=0)

I dont know when he is going to take off the gloves with these guys who think nothing of personal attacks, but when he does I surely hope that he does not hold back any longer. It is one thing to try to stay with the issues but this is getting a bit out of hand.

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The country is going down "in flames" with Obama at the helm and the country's going to be focused on Romney's tax returns?

Liberals are buffoons.

And you accuse liberal of being name-callers??? :yuck:

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And you accuse liberal of being name-callers??? :yuck:

Here is the net definition of "buffoonery"


Behavior that is ridiculous but amusing.

You take it from there !!!

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You don't understand Richie, they don't care if we're going down in flames... as long as Obama get reelected and the government keeps growing in size and power. That's their only motivation.

In fact, many of them want the USA to go down in flames. In their minds we deserve it. Obama is just one of the tools to get us there.

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From the direction that the situation is going on nationwide with the general population feeling Romney is hiding something BIG when he refuses to release his tax returns - Who are the Republicans going to nominate at their convention in place of Romney? Everyone knows that President Obama would wipe the floor with the likes of Santorum and Newtie Boy.

Looks like a bad season for the Republicans. I understand the Republican Party is on Romney like fleas on his dog to release the tax returns.

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Looks like a bad season for the Republicans.

Just like the mid-term elections I guess. How soon we forget the pounding democrats took. It will be worse for them this Nov and they know it.

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Just like the mid-term elections I guess. How soon we forget the pounding democrats took. It will be worse for them this Nov. And they know it.





Actually, more like 2008 - mid year elections ALWAYS have a much smaller turnout. But, I suspecet you know that.

With Obama at the top of the ticket in 2012 there will be a massive turnout - perhaps exceeding the 64% turnout of 2008.

And that is BAD news for Willard.

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LOL, you keep telling yourself that. We'll see.

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when it is stated Romney's tax situation will "not sit well with the 99%"

demonstrates that rhetoric and political intent over ride common sense.

Did some forget that 50% do not pay any taxes at all.....do you think they care about this fly spec in the pepper issue?

btk

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when it is stated Romney's tax situation will "not sit well with the 99%"

demonstrates that rhetoric and political intent over ride common sense.

Did some forget that 50% do not pay any taxes at all.....do you think they care about this fly spec in the pepper issue?

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Even though you say that 50% of the Americans pay no tax at all; those who pay taxes would not likely vote for a very rich man to be President who pays no taxes himself. Yes, that would be more than a fly speck in your pepper; it would be more like an elephant dropping in your pepper!

Those who pay no taxes and vote are probably likely Democrat voters - so that is 50% right there and combine those with the Independents who would not vote for a very rich man to be President who pays no taxes - and the Republicans have a very big problem. Hmmmmmm?

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a very rich man to be President who pays no taxes himself.

Do you have proof of that or just blowing more Harry Reid hot air lies?

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Do you have proof of that or just blowing more Harry Reid hot air lies?

Do YOU have proof that Romney HAS paid Federal taxes or are you just blowing more Republican hot air? Mitt could clear all this up very quickly but since he refuses to show his tax returns - something must be amiss. Hmmmm?

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He must be hiding something that would cost him the election.

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So what you're saying that anyone can come up with any allegation and it's automatically true until proven otherwise? Is that your logic?

You know, word is out that Obama actually got expelled from college for selling drugs and never got any degree at all because of it. Word is also out he's been cheating on his wife during all his golfing trips.

Guess it's all true until he proves otherwise. Hummmm?

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Do YOU have proof that Romney HAS paid Federal taxes or are you just blowing more Republican hot air? Mitt could clear all this up very quickly but since he refuses to show his tax returns - something must be amiss. Hmmmm?

Google is this really neat thing we can use to find information (and I heard once that Al Gore invented it). Romney's tax returns for 2010 and 2011 are all available here at this link, below.

There's no reason to think prior years would look any different....

.....but this way, you all can feed on Dingbat Harry's gossipy claims longer, making you look as crazed and foaming at the mouth as the "birthers" do while still digging! It's kind of fun to watch, actually.

Mitt Romney's 1040 tax return for 2011 - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/president/candidates/romney/romney_tax_return_1040_2011/)

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Romney tax returns have as much effect on the election as the Obama birther issue did not affect him (or any of the other controversial issues of the day).

btk

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Do YOU have proof that Romney HAS paid Federal taxes or are you just blowing more Republican hot air? Mitt could clear all this up very quickly but since he refuses to show his tax returns - something must be amiss. Hmmmm?

If you would stop beating your wife you might be able to think straight about the effects of unfounded charges.

Romney says he paid taxes every year, and lot of taxes in fact.

Why should the onus be on Romney? It's Dirty Harry Reid who has some explaining to do and not Romney.

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If you would stop beating your wife you might be able to think straight about the effects of unfounded charges.

Romney says he paid taxes every year, and lot of taxes in fact.

Why should the onus be on Romney? It's Dirty Harry Reid who has some explaining to do and not Romney.


One of the earlier posters made some accusations about OBAMA...they are now TRUE until he proves otherwise. You talk about cockeyed logic !!! WOW

The only folks with IRS problems are those in the admiinistration.....I am betting that Romney gets a lot of scrutiny from the IRS but that is not good enough...well lets hear about the charges against Obama...prove that the accusation is wrong.

Reid had NEVER EVER shared any of his income tax of INCOME for that matter and if you read todays Boston Herald is sort of what you might call a "devious" sort of guy back out in Nevada !

I wish that Romney would sue him for defamation as with a lot of these folks who simply make charges in some sort of political bubble...I am waiting for the day when they find out they are NOT as insulated as they think.

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No one cares about his taxes, you all Just keep beating a dead horse.

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That pretty much describes Willard's campaign.

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"word is out that Obama actually got expelled from college for selling drugs and never got any degree at all because of it. Word is also out he's been cheating on his wife during all his golfing trips.

Guess it's all true until he proves otherwise. Hummmm? "

Anybody heard anymore on this ? Will the President actually respond to these charges ? He has to prove them wrong now !!!

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Guess we may never know....

"President Obama has not taken a serious question from the White House press corps in nearly seven weeks, a remarkable string that points to a campaign-style White House operation that is seeking to insulate the candidate from tough cross examination.

The last substantive question Obama took from a White House reporter was during a June 20 press conference following the G20 Summit in Los Cabos, Mexico. Obama allowed only six questions during the event, which was nearly guaranteed to keep him out of political hot water as the focus was on foreign policy.

Since then, Obama has held no press conferences, given no interviews to White House reporters, and taken no questions at the White House events he has held where reporters have been present."

WH Press Corps Goes Seven Weeks Without a Question | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier (http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/08/06/wh-press-corps-weeks-question/)

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The Mitt Romney tax issue is a canard. Its intent to is say that the rich only get richer because they do not pay their fair share of taxes. Its intent is to continue the "class warfare " shtick and by the way class warfare is not "classy" Its intent is to distract on the real issues economy, foreign policy,etc.

Mitt Romney's tax situation is a non factor. If it was not a factor important to election or re-election of Reid, Geithner and so many others.

Harry Reid's allegation if false have reached a new low. Even many Democrats are backing away from this albatross. If Reid would reveal his deep throat and if Reid would publicize his taxes for the last three years then he may gain some credibility,

Romney is smart not to take the bait. Mitt has handle his campaign well by keeping on message and retaining his cool even has the liberal media continue to ignore his message while undermining his campaign

NOT I AM DONE WITH THIS THREAD IT HAS NO RELEVENCE TO THE ELECTION

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As I said before, I do not think there would be any criminal activity, but he could take the high road and wheel out the forms.

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As I said before, I do not think there would be any criminal activity, but he could take the high road and wheel out the forms.

So you think that Romney is the one who needs to go to the high road ?? WOW

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So you think that Romney is the one who needs to go to the high road ?? WOW

Sorry, I did use harsh words.
My apology.

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"t’s one thing for conservative sites, pundits and writers to blast Harry Reid’s dirty politics and smear tactics against GOP presumptive nominee Mitt Romney. It’s quite another when a liberal Washington Post columnist does it, calling him a “gaudy and kitschy” “crass man”.

Everyone on our side is aware of the fact that the Senate majority leader and head of the upper chamber’s Democratic Party plays dirty — always. He learned at the feet of the master (thank you, John Thune, for saving us from the South Dakota nightmare)."

Washington Post’s Cohen Blasts: Harry Reid‘s a ’jerk‘ and embodies everything that’s wrong with DC | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/08/06/washington-posts-cohen-blasts-harry-reids-a-jerk-and-embodies-everything-thats-wrong-with-dc/)

"n “The Godfather Part II,” a senator from Nevada is portrayed as corrupt. His name is Pat Geary. In real life, a senator from Nevada is a jerk. His name is Harry Reid.

Reid is where he loves to be: the center of controversy. He has accused Mitt Romney of paying no taxes for 10 years. Romney denies the accusation and challenged Reid to put up or shut up. In an apparent response, Reid repeated the charges on the Senate floor. Countless aides have echoed their boss. They and he attribute their information to a source they will not name.

Whether such a source exists, really, is beside the point. It could be that someone did indeed tell Reid that Romney paid no taxes for 10 years. Journalists get that sort of tip all the time, and their responsibility is (1) to check it out and (2) identify the source. Reid has not done the latter and apparently has not done the former, either. The truth is that Reid doesn’t really care if the charge is true or not. He would prefer the former, but he’ll settle for the latter.

For Reid, this is yet another brazen and tasteless partisan attack. As majority leader, he has managed to sink the public image of the Senate even lower than it would otherwise be. He contributes to bad feelings, gridlock and the sense — nay, the reality — that everything is done for political advantage. Reid is a crass man, the very personification of the gaudy and kitschy Las Vegas Strip.

Still, he is not some backbencher, but the Senate majority leader. He is the face of the Democratic Party in the Senate and the ally of President Obama. Yet, not a single Democrat has had the spine to rebuke Reid. The White House has been given the chance and explicitly ducked its duty. Other members of the Senate have run for cover"

Harry Reid’s gutter politics - PostPartisan - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/harry-reids-gutter-politics/2012/08/06/b3546bfe-dfcf-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html)

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There are some that have came on board to support what he said.

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Senator Harry Reid put the bait out there and republicans took it, spending the last five days talking about nothing else. Meanwhile, the president is out there talking about cutting taxes for the middle class while Mitt Romney would raise taxes on 95% by up to $2000 annually and lower them for millionaires by $87,000 per year.

Now three congressmen are getting the Justice Department involved into looking into Romney's 20-100 million dollar IRA.

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Senator Harry Reid put the bait out there and republicans took it, spending the last five days talking about nothing else. Meanwhile, the president is out there talking about cutting taxes for the middle class while Mitt Romney would raise taxes on 95% by up to $2000 annually and lower them for millionaires by $87,000 per year.

Now three congressmen are getting the Justice Department involved into looking into Romney's 20-100 million dollar IRA.

Stand tall and be proud !!

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"t’s one thing for conservative sites, pundits and writers to blast Harry Reid’s dirty politics and smear tactics against GOP presumptive nominee Mitt Romney. It’s quite another when a liberal Washington Post columnist does it, calling him a “gaudy and kitschy” “crass man”.........

.....For Reid, this is yet another brazen and tasteless partisan attack. As majority leader, he has managed to sink the public image of the Senate even lower than it would otherwise be. He contributes to bad feelings, gridlock and the sense — nay, the reality — that everything is done for political advantage. Reid is a crass man, the very personification of the gaudy and kitschy Las Vegas Strip.

Still, he is not some backbencher, but the Senate majority leader. He is the face of the Democratic Party in the Senate and the ally of President Obama. Yet, not a single Democrat has had the spine to rebuke Reid. The White House has been given the chance and explicitly ducked its duty. Other members of the Senate have run for cover"...........

"Yet not a single Democrat has had the spine to rebuke Reid."

Not even when he summed up Obama's entire worth by saying he is "a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one".

What a class act.

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"Yet not a single Democrat has had the spine to rebuke Reid."

Not even when he summed up Obama's entire worth by saying he is "a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one".

What a class act.

As I said, they should all stand tall and be proud !!

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Senator Harry Reid put the bait out there and republicans took it, spending the last five days talking about nothing else. Meanwhile, the president is out there talking about cutting taxes for the middle class while Mitt Romney would raise taxes on 95% by up to $2000 annually and lower them for millionaires by $87,000 per year.

Now three congressmen are getting the Justice Department involved into looking into Romney's 20-100 million dollar IRA.

:agree: Harry Reid was prompted by Obama advisor's and his followers---I am sure that is correct. Consensus of a panel on Fox last night was that Romney advisor's should have prompted him to release 5 or 6 years of tax returns several weeks ago and this would be a dead issue a long time ago. The economy and deficit have been on the back burner----like you said for the last 5 or 6 days. Get it over with----release the tax returns before they are somehow leaked by some "unknown" entity. It wouldn't be the first time that this administration leaked classified documents. Of course, it has never been prove----think people are dumb?

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:agree: Harry Reid was prompted by Obama advisor's and his followers---I am sure that is correct. Consensus of a panel on Fox last nigh that Romney advisor's should have prompted him to release 5 or 6 years of tax returns several weeks ago and this would be a dead issue a long time ago. The economy and deficit have been on the back burner----like you said for the last 5 or 6 days. Get it over with----release the tax returns before they are somehow leaked by some "unknown" entity. It wouldn't be the first time that this administration leaked classified documents. Of course, it has never been prove----think people are dumb?

Another person who stands proud of criminal accusations made on the senate floor and then demand the accused prove he is innocent...wonderful ...the pride is obvious !

And if you think if he released 20 years at any time, this will die, you are in a fantasy world big time. This presidential campaign is aimed at destroying Romney PERSONALLY, not based on what is supposed to happen and he gets this defense....you folks are just proud of this. This is pretty low, as low as I have seen things in some time, if ever. Man, I hope ROmney has an October surprise that resurrects all the shady areas of our Presidents life and has lots of evidence to back the suspicions that you folks do not care about.

Be proud

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You see that even Willard's advisors are telling him to release the tax returns and the whole kerfluffle would be finished.

All of this refusal on Willard's part just leads everyone to KNOW that something is WRONG. He is LOSING voters by the thousands every day this goes on.

No one wants to vote for a VERY RICH man for President who has possibly paid NO taxes. If there is nothing wrong going on, WHY will he not release them? Seems FISHY to me.

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You see that even Willard's advisors are telling him to release the tax returns and the whole kerfluffle would be finished.

All of this refusal on Willard's part just leads everyone to KNOW that something is WRONG. He is LOSING voters by the thousands every day this goes on.

No one wants to vote for a VERY RICH man for President who has possibly paid NO taxes. If there is nothing wrong going on, WHY will he not release them? Seems FISHY to me.

i want to - and i WILL! and i know i am not alone. i can say that truthfully and as a fact; whereas, claiming no one wants to is just an opinion...and one i just disputed! ;)

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i want to - and i WILL! and i know i am not alone. i can say that truthfully and as a fact; whereas, claiming no one wants to is just an opinion...and one i just disputed! ;)

I have posted three articles by liberal folks...I mean who absolutely support the progressive movement...one is in the thread from the Washington Post...one this morning from the Boston Herald and another along with a Pittsburgh paper calling this entire thing..."cheesey". The Boston Herald article spells out a lot of what Obama has done by using folks around him like Reid to destroy INDIVIDUALS, PEOPLE...never mind any issues...he did it in Chicago as spelled out in the article.

Anyway, the point is that these liberal folks are now sick of the entire tone of this campaign and predict backlash.

Those who only read what they are comfortable with would never know it..if you check CNN website (at least about an hour ago) on the political page of that site...NOT ONE STORY on this.....not as big as these folks on here want to make it. It is uncomfortable, but I go back to the Boston Herald article on this thread that I linked.....it was basically a "stop being a nice guy Mitt" and a few examples of what has happened in MA when he was pushed. I still maintain, and this is simply opinion, Romney campaign is playing the rope a dope thing...and will just say to those who think this is neat....never understood folks like you....and to just remember how much time is left in this election. Even with all of this crap, Obama's performance percent went DOWN during all of this.

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If romney is trying to hide something because he won't release his taxes then I have to assume Obama is hiding something because he won't release anything about anything.

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If romney is trying to hide something because he won't release his taxes then I have to assume Obama is hiding something because he won't release anything about anything.

luv it! thanx for bringing me a smile this eve! ;)

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I have posted three articles by liberal folks...I mean who absolutely support the progressive movement...one is in the thread from the Washington Post...one this morning from the Boston Herald and another along with a Pittsburgh paper calling this entire thing..."cheesey". The Boston Herald article spells out a lot of what Obama has done by using folks around him like Reid to destroy INDIVIDUALS, PEOPLE...never mind any issues...he did it in Chicago as spelled out in the article.

Anyway, the point is that these liberal folks are now sick of the entire tone of this campaign and predict backlash.
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of course you know i've followed that - and i don't doubt that it is true - but they are just some of the crowd. my guess is that libs/progies are all over the map with their philosophies, attitudes and wants from govt, etc - no cohesion - one of their problems - but LOTS of diversionary tactics! i so hope the candidate's handlers let them get down to addressing the issues of fixing a broken government SOON!

do you think we will soon start reading about the liberals and/or progressives starting a subversive campaign to turn our attitude toward justice from innocent until proven guilty to the french attitude of guilty until proven innocent.

[i can't wait for the daily rundown to return to msnbc this friday!!!! i miss my daily dose of the left as served up by chuck todd - i like him so much more than his sister christine!] ;)

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Some reading to show some of the backlash that has begun


"George Will on Harry Reid's claim: "Harry Reid's source, if we're to assume he actually has one, is identified by Harry Reid as an investor in Bain. That's as though I own some Microsoft stock, which I do, and I said, 'As an investor in Microsoft, I now have opinions on Bill Gates' tax returns.'

"Look, in 1950, Joe McCarthy went to West Virginia, didn't know what to tell the women's Republican Club of Wheeling, West Virginia, so he said, 'I have in my hand a list of 205 communists in the State Department.' He didn't have a list. Harry Reid doesn't have any evidence either. This is McCarthyism from the desert."

ABC's Jon Karl on Harry Reid: "It's one of the most outrageous charges that I've ever seen actually made on the Senate floor."

"Reid, who also refuses to release his own tax returns, isn’t just a hypocrite and a slanderer. He’s also a political idiot. Until these attacks, Romney was on the defensive over his tax returns. Now Romney can paint his decision to keep them private as a principled stand against unscrupulous opponents. Reid has handed the high ground to Romney in this fight with his scurrilous lies. Reid has all but ruined Obama’s strategy of making Romney look secretive and weird."

Reid: My source on Romney’s taxes is so incredibly credible that I won’t say who he is « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/03/reid-my-source-on-romneys-taxes-is-so-incredibly-credible-that-i-wont-say-who-he-is/)

George Will On Harry Reid: "This Is McCarthyism From The Desert" | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/05/george_will_on_harry_reid_this_is_mccarthyism_from _the_desert.html)

"PolitiFact, the independent fact checking entity, has concluded that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's accusation that Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes for ten years is so unfounded that it deserves the group's "pants on fire" label.

The site references interviews several news outlets conducted with tax experts, as well as one it did with an economist at New York University's Stern School of Business. Each expert claims that it was extremely unlikely that Romney didn't pay taxes for that long a period."

PolitiFact: Harry Reid's Pants Are On Fire (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/politifact-harry-reid-romney-taxes_n_1749207.html)

"Enter Majority Leader Harry Reid, who decided it would be appropriate to pass along an anonymous allegation he supposedly heard (although, who knows?) — that Mitt Romney had not paid taxes for a decade.

This unsubstantiated allegation was generally mocked, even by the establishment press.

For example, the Washington Post’s Richard Cohen observed:

In “The Godfather Part II,” a senator from Nevada is portrayed as corrupt. His name is Pat Geary. In real life, a senator from Nevada is a jerk. His name is Harry Reid.

This is a good sign, but not everybody was willing to call Reid out for being a jerk. In fact, some people are doubling down:

“Harry Reid made a statement that is true. Somebody told him. It is a fact,” [House Minority Leader Nancy] Pelosi told The Huffington Post in a Sunday interview.

This is laughable. We ought to be honest enough to call out this sort of irresponsible behavior — on both sides of the aisle.

So going forward, let’s agree on this: Anyone who tells you Michele Bachmann is a joke, but Harry Reid is a “serious statesman,” is an intellectually dishonest hack."

Read more: Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi double down on unsourced rumor | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/06/democrats-and-double-standards-harry-reid-and-nancy-pelosi-double-down-on-unsubstantiated-rumor/#ixzz22ooTCtGs)

"And on the reckless-and-slanderous intensity scale, Mr. Reid’s allegations rank far below the sadly pervasive charges against the president: That he wasn’t born in the United States, that he’s a secret Muslim, that he’s a secret Marxist…Last I checked, none of these guys had called Donald Trump a dirty liar.

Generally the “your side does it, too” argument isn’t worth making. But the hypocrisy here is stunning."

Republicans Attack Reid Over Tax Accusations - NYTimes.com (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/reckless-and-slanderous/)

"Reid, who also refuses to release his own tax returns, isn’t just a hypocrite and a slanderer. He’s also a political idiot. Until these attacks, Romney was on the defensive over his tax returns. Now Romney can paint his decision to keep them private as a principled stand against unscrupulous opponents. Reid has handed the high ground to Romney in this fight with his scurrilous lies. Reid has all but ruined Obama’s strategy of making Romney look secretive and weird."

Reid: My source on Romney’s taxes is so incredibly credible that I won’t say who he is « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/03/reid-my-source-on-romneys-taxes-is-so-incredibly-credible-that-i-wont-say-who-he-is/)

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If romney is trying to hide something because he won't release his taxes then I have to assume Obama is hiding something because he won't release anything about anything.

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All of this refusal on Willard's part just leads everyone to KNOW that something is WRONG. He is LOSING voters by the thousands every day this goes on.

No one wants to vote for a VERY RICH man for President who has possibly paid NO taxes. If there is nothing wrong going on, WHY will he not release them? Seems FISHY to me.

Sally Jo - If romney is trying to hide something because he won't release his taxes then I have to assume Obama is hiding something because he won't release anything about anything.

NJbchbum - i want to - and i WILL! and i know i am not alone. i can say that truthfully and as a fact; whereas, claiming no one wants to is just an opinion...and one i just disputed!

They just don't get it...I don't care if Mr. Romney releases anymore tax returns...he's already released what he had to.

I don't care if Mr. Romney is rich...that has absolutely NOTHING to do with his bid for the Presidency.

I would rather vote for someone who I know has worked hard to get where he is rather than someone who was groomed all his life to become President just to make history.

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would rather vote for someone who I know has worked hard to get where he is rather than someone who was groomed all his life to become President just to make history.


I bet Romney's hand are more ruff than a iron workers hands and he has more stress than an emergency room staff working the night shift in some of our violent cities. Both of which make less than 100K per year and pay approx 15 % of that money in taxes.

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Get outta the kitchen!! :icon_wink:

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Using the premise that the Democrats are using....ie., you are guilty of something if accused, I offer....

"Why are the college records, of a 51-year-old President of the United States, so important to keep secret? I think I know the answer.

If anyone should have questions about Obama’s record at Columbia University, it’s me. We both graduated (according to Obama) Columbia University, Class of ’83. We were both (according to Obama) Pre-Law and Political Science majors. And I thought I knew most everyone at Columbia. I certainly thought I’d heard of all of my fellow Political Science majors. But not Obama (or as he was known then- Barry Soetoro). I never met him. Never saw him. Never even heard of him. And none of the classmates that I knew at Columbia have ever met him, saw him, or heard of him.

But don’t take my word for it. The Wall Street Journal reported in 2008 that Fox News randomly called 400 of our Columbia classmates and never found one who had ever met Obama.

Now all of this mystery could be easily and instantly dismissed if Obama released his Columbia transcripts to the media. But even after serving as President for 3 1/2 years he refuses to unseal his college records"

Root: Obama (http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/)

And he continues on.....great reading isnt it....

"The first question I’d ask is, if you had great grades, why would you seal your records? So let’s assume Obama got poor grades. Why not release the records? He’s president of the free world, for gosh sakes. He’s commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. Who’d care about some poor grades from three decades ago, right? So then what’s the problem? Doesn’t that make the media suspicious? Something doesn’t add up.

Secondly, if he had poor grades at Occidental, how did he get admitted to an Ivy League university in the first place? And if his grades at Columbia were awful, how’d he ever get into Harvard Law School? So again those grades must have been great, right? So why spend millions to keep them sealed?

Third, how did Obama pay for all these fancy schools without coming from a wealthy background? If he had student loans or scholarships, would he not have to maintain good grades?"

WOW.....

"I can only think of one answer that would explain this mystery.

Here’s my gut belief: Obama got a leg up by being admitted to both Occidental and Columbia as a foreign exchange student. He was raised as a young boy in Indonesia. But did his mother ever change him back to a U.S. citizen? When he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii or as he neared college-age preparing to apply to schools, did he ever change his citizenship back? I’m betting not.

If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe you’d find that:

A) He rarely ever attended class.

B) His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes to get into Harvard Law School.

C) He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.

D) He paid little for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreign students like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia."

And then we finally have the resolution as proposed on this forum ...


"If you think I’m “fishing” then prove me wrong. Open up your records Mr. President. What are you afraid of?"

Root: Obama (http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama%E2%80%99s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/)

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LOL - Cons are rehashing the same issues from 2008.

Difference is - Obama is POTUS and Willard is a wannabe.

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LOL - Cons are rehashing the same issues from 2008.

Difference is - Obama is POTUS and Willard is a wannabe.

We're just "conversating" here. Of course a lot of what we're talking about is not the issues that will rule the day on Nov. 6th.

The crashing economy, the burgeoning unemployment rate, declining home values, skyrocketing national deficit, ever increasing taxes, etc., etc., etc.

The steward of this nation will have to answer for these things and the attempts to distract the public is going to ultimately fail as it always has historically.

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just because he is POTUS does not make wrong right.....

if the same who cares about his past philosophy taken with Obama the candidate were used on Romney there would be nothing to talk about!!!!

btk

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LOL - Cons are rehashing the same issues from 2008.

Difference is - Obama is POTUS and Willard is a wannabe.

1. It happens to still be an UNRESOLVED issue !!

2. Once elected President, it is not an absolution of any past errors !!

3. The issues are and will be not what the President is currently wanting to talk about. Our country is in deep deep trouble and he has a lot of questions to answer about that !!

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1. It happens to still be an UNRESOLVED issue !!

2. Once elected President, it is not an absolution of any past errors !!

3. The issues are and will be not what the President is currently wanting to talk about. Our country is in deep deep trouble and he has a lot of questions to answer about that !!

Well stated...to the point!!

btk

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1. It happens to still be an UNRESOLVED issue !!

2. Once elected President, it is not an absolution of any past errors !!

3. The issues are and will be not what the President is currently wanting to talk about. Our country is in deep deep trouble and he has a lot of questions to answer about that !!

Spot on...and he certainly hasn't been answering any questions from the press in the past several weeks...I wonder why?

I believe that the debates will truly bring out the best candidate.

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I am sure that Mr. Romney does pay Federal Income Tax - however, at what rate does he pay? Yes, it seems like a lot of money when it is said he paid something like $6 million dollars BUT I understand that is at a rate of somewhere less than 14%.

I know I am taxed at MORE than 14% and to know that a multi-millionaire who want to be MY President pays a lesser percentage in income tax than me does not sit well at all.

Yes, you can say about others who are rich not paying any tax - but they are not running for President.

I am sure that President Obama WILL bring this point out in campaign ads or definitely in debates - which will swing large percentages of voters to Pres. Obama.

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I am sure that Mr. Romney does pay Federal Income Tax - however, at what rate does he pay? Yes, it seems like a lot of money when it is said he paid something like $6 million dollars BUT I understand that is at a rate of somewhere less than 14%.

I know I am taxed at MORE than 14% and to know that a multi-millionaire who want to be MY President pays a lesser percentage in income tax than me does not sit well at all.

Yes, you can say about others who are rich not paying any tax - but they are not running for President.

I am sure that President Obama WILL bring this point out in campaign ads or definitely in debates - which will swing large percentages of voters to Pres. Obama.

The issue of Mitt Romney releasing his taxes is totally about transparency. He refuses to release his tax returns, he refuses to report who his bundlers are, he refuses to tell us what programs he will cut to pay for his five trillion dollars in tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, he refuses to tell us how he would replace The Affordable Care Act.

If people could see his tax returns, then we would know how he intends to govern. What tax loopholes does he take advantage of, and is he willing to eliminate those loopholes for the rich? It's a question of fairness.

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I am sure that Mr. Romney does pay Federal Income Tax - however, at what rate does he pay? Yes, it seems like a lot of money when it is said he paid something like $6 million dollars BUT I understand that is at a rate of somewhere less than 14%.

I know I am taxed at MORE than 14% and to know that a multi-millionaire who want to be MY President pays a lesser percentage in income tax than me does not sit well at all.

Yes, you can say about others who are rich not paying any tax - but they are not running for President.

I am sure that President Obama WILL bring this point out in campaign ads or definitely in debates - which will swing large percentages of voters to Pres. Obama.

President Obama appointed a blue ribbon committe to look into the deficit and tax codes. When they completed their work, he ignored them and still does. Presently there are about 40 senators trying to revive it. Gov Romney has always advocated tax reform. It is necessary, but it cannot succeed riding in on a rich versus poor pony.

Our current President ONLY speaks of taxes in RICH VERSUS POOR...that is under any definition class warfare that he is espousing. He may at some time come out AGAIN for tax code changes (he does swing during election cycles)

Romny believes in a flatter less complicated tax code, which of course will anger some who lose deductions and thrill those who do not. He has not, nor do I think in such a complex area (tax code I think is over 700 pages) but has surely been very clear about his direction. Of course what he says is manipulated in the ongoing barrage from Obama, but you are not representing it totally in an honest manner.

If the voters decide that being successful and making money for some reason makes a person not qualified for President as opposed to someone who has NO experience of any kind and never held a position of leadership in his life except for the last 3 years (and we see how he led us and pulled us together) then so be it I suppose.

I am curios about what appears to be a change, and dramatic change, in your attitude about Romney paying taxes at all...yesterday in post 161 you said "" those who pay taxes would not likely vote for a very rich man to be President who pays no taxes himself. " and then later in the day in post 163 said to another poster..."Do YOU have proof that Romney HAS paid Federal taxes or are you just blowing more Republican hot air? Mitt could clear all this up very quickly but since he refuses to show his tax returns - something must be amiss. Hmmmm? "

Today you say that you think he paid taxes and am curios on the attitude change...nothing wrong with that, but wondering how the transition was made ???

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I would like to also add this since a poster talked about Romneys tax rate, etc.

This is from July when the BS started and the misdirection from Obama began....

" “FACT: In 2010 and 2011, Romney paid less than 15% in taxes on $42.5 million in income—much less than what many middle-class families pay.”

— Tweet by @BarackObama, July 3, 2012 "

Now that was the tweet and one poster just claimed he paid under 14% and I just do not know where this stuff come from...

" So, is it really true that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, who is very wealthy, pays a tax rate “much less” than “many” middle-class families?

The Facts

Romney released his 2010 tax return and an estimate of his 2011 return earlier this year. He earned a little more than $20 million each year, a good chunk of it in capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a preferential rate as low as 15 percent.

But that’s not the only reason why Romney’s tax rate is at that level. He also donates about 14 percent of his income to charity, which gives him a pretty big tax deduction. (As we have noted, President Obama in 2010 also gave about 14 percent of his income to charity.)

Indeed, Romney gives about as much to charity — $3 million — as he pays in taxes. Those itemized deductions are counted against income that would ordinarily be taxed at a 35-percent rate. We figure that without those donations to charity, his effective tax rate would be at least 19 percent. "

So berate him and try to destroy him but at least do it with the correct facts. You people who rely on tweets from the campaign and various websites are going to be trapped if you talk to anyone who actually knows what is going on.

Obama’s misleading tweet on Romney’s tax rate - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-misleading-tweet-on-romneys-taxes/2012/07/06/gJQAN3DTSW_blog.html)

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do I hear the same folks who accuse Romney supporters being the ones to always bring the issue up??

As I said in another post just do a search and see who the same, persistent, just gotta know what Romney's tax situation is....it's always the same few who just gotta know.

Like it or not the tax codes allow any one of us to take advantage of ways and means all legal to reduce or eliminate taxes.

As for the cop pot of yeah but we/they are not running tor POTUS....that doesn't work for most Americans.

The real issues go by for another day without being addressed....but keep on hammering those distractions.

btk

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I would like to also add this since a poster talked about Romneys tax rate, etc.

This is from July when the BS started and the misdirection from Obama began....

" “FACT: In 2010 and 2011, Romney paid less than 15% in taxes on $42.5 million in income—much less than what many middle-class families pay.”

— Tweet by @BarackObama, July 3, 2012 "

Now that was the tweet and one poster just claimed he paid under 14% and I just do not know where this stuff come from...

" So, is it really true that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, who is very wealthy, pays a tax rate “much less” than “many” middle-class families?

The Facts

Romney released his 2010 tax return and an estimate of his 2011 return earlier this year. He earned a little more than $20 million each year, a good chunk of it in capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a preferential rate as low as 15 percent.

But that’s not the only reason why Romney’s tax rate is at that level. He also donates about 14 percent of his income to charity, which gives him a pretty big tax deduction. (As we have noted, President Obama in 2010 also gave about 14 percent of his income to charity.)

Indeed, Romney gives about as much to charity — $3 million — as he pays in taxes. Those itemized deductions are counted against income that would ordinarily be taxed at a 35-percent rate. We figure that without those donations to charity, his effective tax rate would be at least 19 percent. "

So berate him and try to destroy him but at least do it with the correct facts. You people who rely on tweets from the campaign and various websites are going to be trapped if you talk to anyone who actually knows what is going on.

Obama’s misleading tweet on Romney’s tax rate - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-misleading-tweet-on-romneys-taxes/2012/07/06/gJQAN3DTSW_blog.html)

My tax rate is still above 19%. Romney is a good Mormon and they are required by their Mormon church to give about 10% to their church. That is good with me. I have been to Utah and seen how they take care of their own and it is admirable.

The tax rate I quoted of a little under 14% was actually 13.9% according to the source. I could go back and pick it up exactly but you know how to use a computer as well or better than me.

I am still saying that an American populace would have problems voting for a very rich man who pays no income tax - as well as a very rich man who pays income tax at a rate LOWER than they do. If you have no problem with that, good for you. Me, I have a problem with a very, very rich man who pays a lower tax rate than me who want my vote for President.

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My tax rate is still above 19%. Romney is a good Mormon and they are required by their Mormon church to give about 10% to their church. That is good with me. I have been to Utah and seen how they take care of their own and it is admirable.

The tax rate I quoted of a little under 14% was actually 13.9% according to the source. I could go back and pick it up exactly but you know how to use a computer as well or better than me.

I am still saying that an American populace would have problems voting for a very rich man who pays no income tax - as well as a very rich man who pays income tax at a rate LOWER than they do. If you have no problem with that, good for you. Me, I have a problem with a very, very rich man who pays a lower tax rate than me who want my vote for President.

There you go...you vote based on their income...I vote based on how they serve the office....we all vote different ways.

I will suppose that you know that Obama paid 20.5% (lower than the gals in the office clerking for him) which I assume puts in the same catagory thus your vote is based on their financial statment !

Of course Obama had only an adjusted income of close to $ 800,000.00
which reading your note locks up your vote.

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There you go...you vote based on their income...I vote based on how they serve the office....we all vote different ways.

I will suppose that you know that Obama paid 20.5% (lower than the gals in the office clerking for him) which I assume puts in the same catagory thus your vote is based on their financial statment !

Of course Obama had only an adjusted income of close to $ 800,000.00
which reading your note locks up your vote.

Yes, President Obama has my vote.

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My tax rate is still above 19%.......
...I am still saying that an American populace would have problems voting for a very rich man who pays no income tax - as well as a very rich man who pays income tax at a rate LOWER than they do. If you have no problem with that, good for you. Me, I have a problem with a very, very rich man who pays a lower tax rate than me who want my vote for President.

OK. So following this line of thought.....Bill & Hillary Clinton made $109 million from the year 2000 to 2008 (see New York Times article linked below).

Now there is no reason to think that the Clintons don't use the same tax laws and loopholes that Romney, John Kerry and many other extremely rich politicians do.

So what you're saying is that if Bill or Hillary Clinton were the democrats' nominee right now for president this November, you would not vote for him or her because "you have a problem voting for a very rich man/woman who pays a lower tax rate than me".......and because they have had investments sheltered in the Cayman Islands.

"Mr. Clinton had previously not disclosed what he earned from that partnership, but the tax returns show he collected at least $12.6 million since 2002, and possibly as much as $15.3 million, from his work as an adviser and rainmaker for Mr. Burkle’s Yucaipa Companies. The lack of clarity is because the Clintons released only a summary of their 2007 income, which lists $2.7 million in partnership income but does not identify sources. Based on previous years’ returns, it is likely that income came from Yucaipa.

Since 2002, the former president has provided investment advice and helped drum up business for several domestic and foreign funds in Yucaipa’s portfolio, one of two consulting arrangements he entered into after leaving office. Representatives of the Clintons have said that Mr. Clinton has made arrangements to dissolve his Yucaipa partnership if his wife wins the nomination, to avoid possible ethical conflicts."

"Securities and Exchange Commission documents and financial- disclosure forms filed by Hillary Clinton show that Bill Clinton, 61, has a financial stake in three investment entities registered in the Cayman Islands by Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. LLC.

In 2004, Hillary Clinton, a New York senator, said she wanted to close the ``loopholes'' for ``people who create a mailbox, or a drop, or send one person to sit on the beach in some island paradise and claim that it is their offshore headquarters.''

The former president's possible decision to move away from Burkle ``is all tied up with the laws of appearance and the politics of perception,'' said Linda Fowler, professor of government at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05clintons.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aGwhTXxfCSHo&refer=home

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OK. So following this line of thought.....Bill & Hillary Clinton made $109 million from the year 2000 to 2008 (see New York Times article linked below).

Now there is no reason to think that the Clintons don't use the same tax laws and loopholes that Romney, John Kerry and many other extremely rich politicians do.

So what you're saying is that if Bill or Hillary Clinton were the democrats' nominee right now for president this November, you would not vote for him or her because "you have a problem voting for a very rich man/woman who pays a lower tax rate than me".



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05clintons.html?pagewanted=all


Bill Clinton left office in 2000, so whatever he paid in taxes since then is irrelevant. Clinton also released many years of tax returns when running for office and advocated to Mitt Romney to do the same.

Senator John Kerry released 20 years of tax returns when he ran for president in 2004, and his wife also released one year.

[Guest]

The issue of Mitt Romney releasing his taxes is totally about transparency.
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and you think obama HAS been transparent what with sealed transcripts, sealed govt records, health care legislation development and secret foreign relations agreements? SHEESH!

[Guest]

What are you talking about, Obama is very transparent. Especially with our military secrets.

[Guest]

and you think obama HAS been transparent what with sealed transcripts, sealed govt records, health care legislation development and secret foreign relations agreements? SHEESH!

Let me tell you the sealed trascripts today and tonight have become a big issue.

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Nobody has ever gone to jail for not releasing their college transcripts, but plenty of people have gone to jail for income tax evasion - just ask Al Capone.

The Justice Department should be starting their investigation of Mitt Romney's 20 to 100 million dollar IRA account, along with the Security and Exchange Commission's investigation of Romney signing Bain documents when he was no longer employed there.

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Nobody has ever gone to jail for not releasing their college transcripts, but plenty of people have gone to jail for income tax evasion - just ask Al Capone.

The Justice Department should be starting their investigation of Mitt Romney's 20 to 100 million dollar IRA account, along with the Security and Exchange Commission's investigation of Romney signing Bain documents when he was no longer employed there.

This is a slightly moronic notion. Mitt Romney has released all that is required of him

You want an investigation into unfounded gratuitous charges made by Dirty Harry Reid, who blatantly lied about a fictitious Bain employee actually speaking to him?

Such leftist nonsense.

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Nobody has ever gone to jail for not releasing their college transcripts, but plenty of people have gone to jail for income tax evasion - just ask Al Capone.

The Justice Department should be starting their investigation of Mitt Romney's 20 to 100 million dollar IRA account, along with the Security and Exchange Commission's investigation of Romney signing Bain documents when he was no longer employed there.

Explain exactly what would be the motivation to investigate a man who owes nothing to the IRS and NOT investigate the secy of the treasury or the many others in the WH who owe BACK TAXES ?

You people better change your source on twitter of feeds because they are leading you all very much astray !

And please supply some credence to that Justice Department investigation of Mitt Romney ???? I am sure you would not just say things that were not facts !

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tax evasion....you are kidding correct? Did the new partisan talking points encourage the inclusion of yet another lie? Tax evasion:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Tax evasion is what Pelosi, Reid, Geithner and most of congress are trully, known guilty of........

Ridiculous but becoming more expected.

btk

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Last Thursday, three congressmen asked senior officials at the Justice Department and Labor Department to look into Mitt Romney's IRA which is reported to be worth 20 and 100 million dollars. Hopefully, this investigation will be fast tracked so that it is completed and the results announced before the election.


Daily Kos: Lawmakers want to know how Mitt Romney built a $100+ million IRA (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/03/1116443/-Lawmakers-want-to-know-how-Mitt-Romney-built-a-100-million-IRA)

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If thats the case then lets look at obama. Dont they call that tit for tat. The DOJ wont do it . This administration is one sided