Polls vs Voters

[Guest]

I read in another thread that stated polls do not reflect the people that vote. I thought about that and started researching:

There are 20,000,000 Gay and lesbians in America.
There are 157,000,000 Women in America.
There are 106,000,000 Minorities in America.

Gay and lesbian lifestyles, without question, are not respected by the GOP.
Womens rights (right or wrong) are being threatened by the GOP.
Minorities make up the larger amount of poor in the US.

So when you consider that polls are less likely to take place in or with poor and minority Americans, and more and more have came out to support the Current President in the past and predicted future, I would surmise that the polls are incorrect and that Obama is farther ahead than the polls would suggest.

NOTE: The above is in my opinion and only put here as food for thought.

I am just a Golfingnut and I approve this message.

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[Guest]

I read in another thread that stated polls do not reflect the people that vote. I thought about that and started researching:

There are 20,000,000 Gay and lesbians in America.
There are 157,000,000 Women in America.
There are 106,000,000 Minorities in America.

Gay and lesbian lifestyles, without question, are not respected by the GOP.
Womens rights (right or wrong) are being threatened by the GOP.
Minorities make up the larger amount of poor in the US.

So when you consider that polls are less likely to take place in or with poor and minority Americans, and more and more have came out to support the Current President in the past and predicted future, I would surmise that the polls are incorrect and that Obama is farther ahead than the polls would suggest.

NOTE: The above is in my opinion and only put here as food for thought.

I am just a Golfingnut and I approve this message.

:wave:

Many are probably more prone to vote based on what family, friends, co-workers, fellow church goers, etc., think would be my guess rather than due to where they fit in some census like categories.

All these political ads also probably have some impact.

[Guest]

Many are probably more prone to vote based on what family, friends, co-workers, fellow church goers, etc., think would be my guess rather than due to where they fit in some census like categories.

All these political ads also probably have some impact.

I think your right and that gives me another thought:

People that have a Gay relative or a poor member of their family and most know a women or two would tend to vote for a politician sympathetic to their issue. I now know the GOP are cutting there own throat or at a minimum, they are not helping the party. Love and kindness will get more votes than cracking the whip on the less well off.

[Guest]

The vast majority of Americans have already decided whom they would vote for. The last I saw was 49% Obama, 43% Mitt, 8% undecided. The job of the parties, with their ads, is to excite those voters enough to actually get out and vote. :icon_wink:

[Guest]

But, I have changed and I think others might also. I understand this forum has some outspoken folks of both parties: That said, 6 months ago I was all about voting for Romney and getting Obama out of the white house. Then after reading comments from both sides of the fence in here, I still want Obama out of the WH, but I am more concerned about the extremist views of the right getting a man in the WH. It is a dilemma, but I am now leaning toward voting against Romney and all I have left to vote for is the sitting Democrat. The no compromise of the right is dictatorship mentality and not at all democratic.

[Guest]

Y'know, there are Republican women, there are women who don't feel threatened by Romney.

[Guest]

poll-ees tell poll-ers what they want to hear.

polls are designed to attain a goal not necessarily the truth.

anything stated above is based on the individuals assumptions......just like polls.

Just take all those same groups selected and instead of comparing Romney and Obama.....what would each group have to say about where they stand after 4 years of Obama? Are they better off now after 4 years with Obama.

And we can all speculate conclusions.......in the end no one knows what "lever" will get pulled (dating myself) when the curtain closes (did it again).

btk

[Guest]

I read in another thread that stated polls do not reflect the people that vote. I thought about that and started researching:

There are 20,000,000 Gay and lesbians in America.
There are 157,000,000 Women in America.
There are 106,000,000 Minorities in America.

Gay and lesbian lifestyles, without question, are not respected by the GOP.
Womens rights (right or wrong) are being threatened by the GOP.
Minorities make up the larger amount of poor in the US.

So when you consider that polls are less likely to take place in or with poor and minority Americans, and more and more have came out to support the Current President in the past and predicted future, I would surmise that the polls are incorrect and that Obama is farther ahead than the polls would suggest.

NOTE: The above is in my opinion and only put here as food for thought.

I am just a Golfingnut and I approve this message.

:wave:








.... "polls do not reflect the people that vote......." That is the standard line that all losing candidates use.

That and "the only poll that counts is the poll on election day". Whenever you hear those words you can bet it is being said by someone whose candidate is losing - and losing big.

[Guest]

.... "polls do not reflect the people that vote......." That is the standard line that all losing candidates use.

That and "the only poll that counts is the poll on election day". Whenever you hear those words you can bet it is being said by someone whose candidate is losing - and losing big.
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history would show that people's views on polls are like wind socks....depends on the direction that day.

And regardless of opinion the ultimate poll is the vote count on election day....history documents that as well.

eventually we will get to discuss the issues that really matter to the future of America and we the people.....

btk

[Guest]

.... "polls do not reflect the people that vote......." That is the standard line that all losing candidates use.

That and "the only poll that counts is the poll on election day". Whenever you hear those words you can bet it is being said by someone whose candidate is losing - and losing big.
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..............

history would show that people's views on polls are like wind socks....depends on the direction that day.

And regardless of opinion the ultimate poll is the vote count on election day....history documents that as well.

eventually we will get to discuss the issues that really matter to the future of America and we the people.....

btk








You do realize, don't you, that there are pollsters who were 100% accurate in their 2000, 2004 and 2008 poll data? Rasmussen, however, isn't one of them.

Do a quick google and find out how much money Willard is spending on pollsters. Evidently, Willard believes very strongly in polls.

[Guest]

You do realize, don't you, that there are pollsters who were 100% accurate in their 2000, 2004 and 2008 poll data? Rasmussen, however, isn't one of them.

Do a quick google and find out how much money Willard is spending on pollsters. Evidently, Willard believes very strongly in polls.

Look at how much money both candidates are spending period. With few exceptions, I believe most registered party voters will vote for their party nominee. The independents are going to tip this election one way or the other. At this point in the campaign the polls tell the candidate where he/she needs to spend some time in order win the electoral vote. Remember a candidate can win the popular vote like in 2000 and lose the election. Its happen I believe 4 times in our history and could very well happen again.

[Guest]

the biggest concerns i have re political polling are 1] how knowledgable is the person re the issue[s] of the poll and 2] does the person being polled have any inherent or stated prejudice re same? it was just the morning that one of the issues raised by the talking heads on msnbc or fox brought up the possibility that those being polled - regardless of the supposed anoniminity - did not want to appear racist and would therefore respond more favorably on questions re obama!

i took a lot of statistics and psychological tests & measures classes in college and used that course work in many years of my private sector career - so polls do not hold any credibility for me. the phrasing of questions is just one way to manipulate the data; and the selection of those to be polled [level of education, area of the country, male/female, head of household?, etc] are just a few of the ways to design the poll in order to get the results that are desired by the pollster or the entity paying for the poll.

but not a lot of people have the advantage of that knowledge and a lot of folks feel compelled to go along with the crowd or feel a need to be among the majority - the herd mentality. so polls are what they are - some will be influenced by them and others are too smart to be.

[Guest]

Gosh I didn't realize we had a sciene fiction thread.....so kool