Difference between Right and Left

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Right wants everyone to pay a little for services.Left wants everyone but them to pay for services. That's the long and short of it.

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Right wants everyone to pay a little for services.Left wants everyone but them to pay for services. That's the long and short of it.

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I really take offense at your statement. I lean left as do many of my friends and we all want to do our fair share.

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Another nonsensical thread ..... probably a cut-and-paste job from wingnutsareus.com

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I really take offense at your statement. I lean left as do many of my friends and we all want to do our fair share.

sounds good, sunglow. can you explain what you and your friends feel is your 'fair' share?

the words 'fair share' are tossed about so nonchantly; and i have never seen anyone define what that amount would be. i can't even figure out what MY fair share might be! so if you can tell me what you think yours is, it would give me a start to better identify what my fair share would be.

thanx

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Here's a fact.I had fund raiser for someone in need.Know how much my friends on the left gave? Zip, See this time and time again over the years.And the funny thing most of them have money one was a vp for a major airline but donate their
own very rare. I know some will be upset but I think surveys show the left gives far less.Example is Our Pres.and VP

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Right wants everyone to pay a little for services.Left wants everyone but them to pay for services. That's the long and short of it.

Sentence makes no sense to me. Most left leaning people pay just as much taxes as the right leaners; unless, that is, either can afford an army of tax lawyers. Then they probably pay 13.7 percent or less in annual taxes.

I wonder how much in taxes these billionaires who are grossly affecting our political campaigns with their negative ads through PACs (on both sides) pay in taxes?

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Right wants everyone to pay a little for services.Left wants everyone but them to pay for services. That's the long and short of it.

:bowdown: I think what you are getting at is that TOO MANY on the left pay nothing and we need to reduce the "give away" government programs so they will go out and get a job. There is no incentive to get a job if I can draw $400.00 a week for sitting on my butt for two years. Any reasonable person can see that doesn't make sense. If I can draw more government money by having more children than I can afford---that makes no sense. Need I say more? Well, there is a lot more but no time for it here! :cus:

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Let me add to that.

The right believes in rugged individualism, self reliance, personal responsibility, smaller less intrusive government, life, the free market and the Constitution as written.

The left believes in cradle to grave statism, higher taxes, more regulation, abortion and ever expanding centralized government command and control.

That's the choice in Nov.

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:bowdown: I think what you are getting at is that TOO MANY on the left pay nothing and we need to reduce the "give away" government programs so they will go out and get a job. There is no incentive to get a job if I can draw $400.00 a week for sitting on my butt for two years. Any reasonable person can see that doesn't make sense. If I can draw more government money by having more children than I can afford---that makes no sense. Need I say more? Well, there is a lot more but no time for it here! :cus:

Not a whole lot of jobs out there to get at the moment. What are Mitt Romney's plans with respect to welfare? I had heard that he plans to require welfare recipients to work for their checks? How can they do that though if there are no jobs available?

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Let me add to that.

The right believes in rugged individualism, self reliance, personal responsibility, smaller less intrusive government, life, the free market and the Constitution as written.

The left believes in cradle to grave statism, higher taxes, more regulation, abortion and ever expanding centralized government command and control.

That's the choice in Nov.

Totally inaccurate!...Vote for Obama! :icon_wink:

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Here's a fact.I had fund raiser for someone in need.Know how much my friends on the left gave? Zip, See this time and time again over the years.And the funny thing most of them have money one was a vp for a major airline but donate their
own very rare. I know some will be upset but I think surveys show the left gives far less.Example is Our Pres.and VP

Survey says!!...total bunk! :icon_wink:

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Well, just offhand, I’ve got one big difference.

It's apparently acceptable for the left to lie about the right.

Whether you’re talking about The NY Times , the Washington Post or, say, The Daily Kos, it’s considered acceptable to lie about the right.

As Charles Krauthammer famously said: “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

Since the left thinks the right evil they tend to think it okay to use tactics that can be described as “evil” to fight them. If you’re up against people you compare to Nazis, it’s simple to tell yourself that lying to beat them isn’t too bad.

Since the right thinks they’re up against people that are too stupid to know what’s really going on, they feel compelled to try to explain themselves a little bit better.

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Totally inaccurate!

So... what does the left believe?

The right believes in rugged individualism, self reliance, personal responsibility, smaller less intrusive government, life, the free market and the Constitution as written.

No once can say Obama believes is any of these. He's said so himself. He sure never talks about any of them.

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Well, just offhand, I’ve got one big difference.

It's apparently acceptable for the left to lie about the right.

Whether you’re talking about The NY Times , the Washington Post or, say, The Daily Kos, it’s considered acceptable to lie about the right.

As Charles Krauthammer famously said: “To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”

Since the left thinks the right evil they tend to think it okay to use tactics that can be described as “evil” to fight them. If you’re up against people you compare to Nazis, it’s simple to tell yourself that lying to beat them isn’t too bad.

Since the right thinks they’re up against people that are too stupid to know what’s really going on, they feel compelled to try to explain themselves a little bit better.

Both sides have PAC ads which seem very inaccurate with respect to facts. It is like we are not determining who is going to run the US but rather which pizza to buy.

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Let me add to that.

The right believes in rugged individualism, self reliance, personal responsibility, smaller less intrusive government, life, the free market and the Constitution as written.

The left believes in cradle to grave statism, higher taxes, more regulation, abortion and ever expanding centralized government command and control.

That's the choice in Nov.

Well, I am sure the poster realizes the "self reliance, personal responsibility, and free market" worked well in Spring Hill, TN, with GM and Saturn. The town was pretty reliant on the Saturn plant and then GM closed it because people were not buying their product. It hurt Spring Hill greatly by knocking several hundred people out work at the plant as well as all the trickle down money from them to other businesses.

Is that one closing and it's effect, the same kind of disaster magnified thousands of times the same thing you would have wished upon the auto industry if Pres. Obama had not provided money to the auto industry?

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ever notice how many of the Obama supporters (not just this forum) always choose to be in the attack mode? They wait for one of us to post then instead of discussing what was posted will immediately begin to discredit where ever possible. They will attack the resource quoted, they will attack the author, they will attack the individual, they will throw a dozen other issues in that have nothing to do with the post and of course the ever present cutesy (they think) name calling.

The next time one actually answers a direct question or offers something constructive in a DISCUSSION will be the first time.

How about a simple example? How many times has it been asked if some one is here from another country and they are here illegally, is that OK? Simple enough question....never gets an answer.
Or how about the question of if someone is not a valid voter and they are registered (somehow...like the dead) are you OK with that. Never an answer.

And so on and on.
btk

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Ridiculous thread - no value whatsoever.

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Ridiculous thread - no value whatsoever.

What sort of value do you need? What bigger purpose beyond the simple exchange of thoughts and ideas do you require?

You could always read a good book instead.

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Both sides have PAC ads which seem very inaccurate with respect to facts. It is like we are not determining who is going to run the US but rather which pizza to buy.

The Obama campaign ads are beyond the notion of "inaccuracies"

The Obama campaign is propagating and promoting blatant inexcusable purposeful lies.

It's a contrast that maybe is beyond the comprehension of the leftists.

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It's apparently acceptable for the right to lie about the left.

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It's apparently acceptable for the right to lie about the left.

Ohhhh, what a timely comeback. :shrug:

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Ridiculous thread - no value whatsoever.

And yet you are taking part in it. Makes me wonder why.

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How about I give you another glaring difference between the left and right side of the ideological aisle.

Conservatives, or the right, are more patriotic than liberals.

Conservatives are more apt to focus on the positive things about America. Liberals, in contrast, focus on the negative.

If the first thoughts that come to your mind when you are asked about America are “slavery”, or maybe “imperialistic,” or the lament of our history of “unfairly using too much of the world’s resources,” you are probably not a proud American.

Conservatives, in comparison, remember how we saved the world in WWI and WWII, and take pride in the innumerable ways we've contributed so much to the planet, and believe America has had a tremendous positive impact on history.

The conservative view produces love of country. The other view produces a deep seated dislike of our nation.

This is also why Conservatives are happier than Liberals.

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There is no difference between them. They both are out to line their pockets and to hell with the rest of us.

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It's apparently acceptable for the right to lie about the left.

I never lie. Here's another example.Over the years my american legion post will vist Hines V A Hosp. and go to spinal cord injury ward.We bring tee shirts, socks,tooth paste etc also money and play bingo make sure each and everyone of them gets some money.Want to know how many from the left over the years have come?Count them on 1 hand. We also on thanks giving bus recruits from great lakes naval base for a day .We feed them have a shuttle bus take them a movie or bowling and we film this and send a dvd to their parents.again other then 1 couple not many from the left have come.I have invited plenty to come and help all no shows.Even when my son went in the army I could tell the difference between the two.Response from most dems how could you let him do that I would never let our child do that.From the right ,You must be proud or how nice I will pray for him etc.

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So many words come to mind when I read the posts from the righties - condescending, egocentric, delusional, holier than thou, angry, jealous, self centered, selfish among many, many others.

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So many words come to mind when I read the posts from the righties - condescending, egocentric, delusional, holier than thou, angry, jealous, self centered, selfish among many, many others.

Your negativity as evidenced by this self righteous anger illustrates all my points beautifully, and I thank you for that.

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So many words come to mind when I read the posts from the righties - condescending, egocentric, delusional, holier than thou, angry, jealous, self centered, selfish among many, many others.

Perfect! When you cannot win on the issues; demonize!

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This is a fun thread for me. Here's another one. Conservatives are results oriented, Liberals are not.

There's one constant to remember about liberals. Liberalism is nothing more than childlike feelings applied to adult issues.

This is why liberals don’t care or worry very much about whether the programs they advocate work or not.

Proposing government programs isn’t really about actually helping people; it’s about making Liberals feel good about themselves. It's not the results that matter, but the thought behind it that counts to Liberals.

On the other hand, conservatives are totally results oriented. This is why Conservatives tend to be so down on government programs, which are inevitably slower, more expensive, and less effective than the private sector at pretty much everything.

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Perfect! When you cannot win on the issues; demonize!

You are a very observant fellow.........bravo!!

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Some Liberal's favorite words or phrases "fair share", "disingenious", amazing, not compassionate, warmongers, racist, bigot, homophobic, discriminatory, greedy, selfish, no, no and no, the liberal elite, hate, religious wingnut, wingnut, rich white guys, socialism works, capitalism equals greed.....:pepper2:

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Not a whole lot of jobs out there to get at the moment. What are Mitt Romney's plans with respect to welfare? I had heard that he plans to require welfare recipients to work for their checks? How can they do that though if there are no jobs available?

but haven't we heard obama tout month after month that the economy is growing and jobs are being created? so if jobs ARE available, why haven't those folks been hired into those jobs?

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but haven't we heard obama tout month after month that the economy is growing and jobs are being created? so if jobs ARE available, why haven't those folks been hired into those jobs?

He's talking about Brazil's economy where he is sending taxpayers money and creating new jobs for them. I mean all countries look the same to him none are exceptional and they really should all run together. i think it is referred to as internationalism

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So many words come to mind when I read the posts from the righties - condescending, egocentric, delusional, holier than thou, angry, jealous, self centered, selfish among many, many others.

Especially around election time. The Republican's I know personally would go barf if they read the extremist right wing views on this forum. So give righties a second look in the real world and not just those in here and you will find some fine upstanding folks.

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Right wants everyone to pay a little for services.Left wants everyone but them to pay for services. That's the long and short of it.

hmmm, so right only wants to pay for their services and the left is willing to cover those in need as well, while the right puts their excess in the Bahamas, The Caymans, .........:pepper2:

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but haven't we heard obama tout month after month that the economy is growing and jobs are being created? so if jobs ARE available, why haven't those folks been hired into those jobs?

because Romney and Bain Capital shut those companies down :shrug:

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Some Liberal's favorite words or phrases "fair share", "disingenious", amazing, not compassionate, warmongers, racist, bigot, homophobic, discriminatory, greedy, selfish, no, no and no, the liberal elite, hate, religious wingnut, wingnut, rich white guys, socialism works, capitalism equals greed.....:pepper2:

why dey dissin' geniouses? that's pretty disingenuous!

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This is a fun thread for me. Here's another one. Conservatives are results oriented, Liberals are not.

There's one constant to remember about liberals. Liberalism is nothing more than childlike feelings applied to adult issues.

This is why liberals don’t care or worry very much about whether the programs they advocate work or not.

Proposing government programs isn’t really about actually helping people; it’s about making Liberals feel good about themselves. It's not the results that matter, but the thought behind it that counts to Liberals.

On the other hand, conservatives are totally results oriented. This is why Conservatives tend to be so down on government programs, which are inevitably slower, more expensive, and less effective than the private sector at pretty much everything.

there must be a lot of conservatives here thanking liberals for social security, oh, I forgot, as a conservative in keeping with your 'credo' you wouldn't accept anything from such a liberal agency, right? or like all conservatives who do, talk is cheap but don't miss out on the 'entitlements' right?

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We were first of the new year in 1975 in chicago to get are license to be wed,but not really.Back then they made a big deal about being first of the new year.Are pictures were on the front page of all four news papers and also all the major local tv stations filmed the event.We had went early but not that early as others who had camped out to be first.When we walked in city hall a older gentlemen tugged at my arm and asked are you here to get a marriage license? Yes I said and he said follow me and into the elevator we went.The man was the press secretary for the cook county clerk.As we were going up I said the line was long how could we be first?His reply was we were the first white couple.I was shocked but went anyway.To this day I feel I should have came clean when the press was there but didn't.Now this man may have done this on his own but I think his boss told him what they wanted.This is when I learned how dishonest the Democratic party in chicago was.They are the party of the minorities but they didn't want them on the news.Now I'm sure I will get blasted again but sometimes the truth hurts.

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there must be a lot of conservatives here thanking liberals for social security, oh, I forgot, as a conservative in keeping with your 'credo' you wouldn't accept anything from such a liberal agency, right? or like all conservatives who do, talk is cheap but don't miss out on the 'entitlements' right?

perhaps you are not aware of the recent shift in social security 'entitlement' payments

New Retirees Receiving Less in Social Security Than They Paid In (http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/6378)
"New Retirees Receiving Less in Social Security Than They Paid In"
looks like recent and future retirees have nothing to thank fdr for

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We were first of the new year in 1975 in chicago to get are license to be wed,but not really.Back then they made a big deal about being first of the new year.Are pictures were on the front page of all four news papers and also all the major local tv stations filmed the event.We had went early but not that early as others who had camped out to be first.When we walked in city hall a older gentlemen tugged at my arm and asked are you here to get a marriage license? Yes I said and he said follow me and into the elevator we went.The man was the press secretary for the cook county clerk.As we were going up I said the line was long how could we be first?His reply was we were the first white couple.I was shocked but went anyway.To this day I feel I should have came clean when the press was there but didn't.Now this man may have done this on his own but I think his boss told him what they wanted.This is when I learned how dishonest the Democratic party in chicago was.They are the party of the minorities but they didn't want them on the news.Now I'm sure I will get blasted again but sometimes the truth hurts.

That is horrible and I am sorry you have to carry that memory especially when it is associated with your wedding. I am not sure that the same thing may have happened with republicans in charge. There are a lot of bigots from both parties out there. It is however, a great witnessing story.

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Had we come forward at that time I'm sure we would have been labeled as nuts.and also being young and stupid I didn't mind not waiting in that long line.We all make mistakes I wish I had a do over.

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Had we come forward at that time I'm sure we would have been labeled as nuts.and also being young and stupid I didn't mind not waiting in that long line.We all make mistakes I wish I had a do over.

Well, in my opinion, you have overcame any misstep by bringing it out to educate people of what is really the bad in some of us.

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We were first of the new year in 1975 in chicago to get are license to be wed,but not really.Back then they made a big deal about being first of the new year.Are pictures were on the front page of all four news papers and also all the major local tv stations filmed the event.We had went early but not that early as others who had camped out to be first.When we walked in city hall a older gentlemen tugged at my arm and asked are you here to get a marriage license? Yes I said and he said follow me and into the elevator we went.The man was the press secretary for the cook county clerk.As we were going up I said the line was long how could we be first?His reply was we were the first white couple.I was shocked but went anyway.To this day I feel I should have came clean when the press was there but didn't.Now this man may have done this on his own but I think his boss told him what they wanted.This is when I learned how dishonest the Democratic party in chicago was.They are the party of the minorities but they didn't want them on the news.Now I'm sure I will get blasted again but sometimes the truth hurts.

Sounds to me like a rogue bureaucrat. In 1965, institutionalized yes, in 1975, hard to believe.

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The pres secretary is long gone he was no rouge but his boss is still alive and was big hitter in party one of Daley's pals. this was the norm for that machine at that time . They would speak from both sides of mouths That is when I saw how people would blindly follow these morons. And please don't accuse me of a falsehood.One thing my parents thought me was to be honest and let the cards fall where they may. This is chicago not some small town where i'm sure people are much more above board.

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there must be a lot of conservatives here thanking liberals for social security, oh, I forgot, as a conservative in keeping with your 'credo' you wouldn't accept anything from such a liberal agency, right? or like all conservatives who do, talk is cheap but don't miss out on the 'entitlements' right?

Its getting late but let me think. Did I have an option regarding Social Security of taking the same amount of money paid by me and putting it into a 401K or something similar? Nah, guess I didn't. Not to even mention my employer's share.

When this option is proposed, the "spin" put on it by the left goes completely off the cliff. Not a surprise but its a fact.

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There really is no difference because left or right they both vote for politicians who could care less about what they think and say and realize that their only value is in tapping them for contribution, taxes, etc.

Anyone believing otherwise is deluding themselves. These guys in Washington epitomize the " snake oil salesmen".

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There really is no difference because left or right they both vote for politicians who could care less about what they think and say and realize that their only value is in tapping them for contribution, taxes, etc.

Anyone believing otherwise is deluding themselves. These guys in Washington epitomize the " snake oil salesmen".

That is telling it like it is. Also, as long as they or we continue to argue about how to do it, they keep on doing what they want. If we could all just meet in the middle, we the people could vote together for someone that is committed to help the people and not themselves. Voting straight party ticket is what is hurting us the most right now.

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there must be a lot of conservatives here thanking liberals for social security, oh, I forgot, as a conservative in keeping with your 'credo' you wouldn't accept anything from such a liberal agency, right? or like all conservatives who do, talk is cheap but don't miss out on the 'entitlements' right?

Social Security is not an "entitlement". It is an retirement insurance program that I was forced to be a participant of. I "invested" in this insurance program for well over 40 long and hard years of labor. This is money owed to me and I may never get back what was taken from me in actual cash plus interest lost.

Please read some more so you have a vague idea what you're talking about.