Michael Vick's new clothing line

[USSGompers]

I just read that JC Penney is going to feature a mens clothing line using the "Redemption' label"! Please do not buy any clothes from this line. In fact, boycott Penneys from now to doomsday.

Michael Vick is a thug and why should he benefit and make $$ off of something he did which was so horrific? All you need to do is watch 'Animal Cops Houston' on the Animal Planet channel to see how the dogs that are found that have been dogfighting are kept in squalor conditions with no food or water BUT worse than that, they are sliced and diced up, bleeding and left for dead (if they didn't win).

I beg of you all, if you love animals as much as I do, you will let your voices be heard.:doggie:

[BarryRX]

I just read that JC Penney is going to feature a mens clothing line using the "Redemption' label"! Please do not buy any clothes from this line. In fact, boycott Penneys from now to doomsday.

Michael Vick is a thug and why should he benefit and make $$ off of something he did which was so horrific? All you need to do is watch 'Animal Cops Houston' on the Animal Planet channel to see how the dogs that are found that have been dogfighting are kept in squalor conditions with no food or water BUT worse than that, they are sliced and diced up, bleeding and left for dead (if they didn't win).

I beg of you all, if you love animals as much as I do, you will let your voices be heard.:doggie:
It's important to get the facts right, especially when asking people to boycott a business. While it is true that he is marketing a clothing line, from what I have read it will be sold only through a sports apparel chain called Modells. I have not been able to find any information that he will be selling it through JC Penney. Also, by the standards we set in our justice system, he has paid for his crimes. Additionally, he works very hard for the ASPCA and other groups to end dog fighting and other acts of animal cruelty. I am a dog lover and believe that what he did was despicable, but I believe he has paid for his crimes (more than any other animal abuser in history) and has reformed and should be allowed to go on with his life.

[USSGompers]

Thank you so much for setting me straight. I appreciate it very much. Thanks!

[paulandjean]

Agree, He paid for his crime,just let it go............

[duffysmom]

I don't care if it's Modell's or Penny's he should be boycotted. The only thing rehabilitated is his reputation. Don't bother asking me how I know this because it's my own opinion. Anyone who tortured animals and enjoyed it as sport is beyond rehabilitation. I put him in a class with pedophiles and abhor the fact that he isn't in prison.

[Tom Hannon]

I don't care if it's Modell's or Penny's he should be boycotted. The only thing rehabilitated is his reputation. Don't bother asking me how I know this because it's my own opinion. Anyone who tortured animals and enjoyed it as sport is beyond rehabilitation. I put him in a class with pedophiles and abhor the fact that he isn't in prison.

I am not going to be posting on this site much longer but I agree with Duffy. What Vick did is beyond cruel and saying he paid for his crime is BS. Supposed someone rape and killed your daughter and he went to jail. Would you say the same thing? That he paid his dues. People like him don't belong on earth. End of discussion.

[Here2Stay]

People do deserve a second chance from their mistakes, BUT...sorry...the activity Vic was involved was beyond a mistake, it was a choice. He was a grown man killing animals who did not preform...why in the world would Penny's step so low to use this guy to help build their business...big mistake..I am with you all the way!

[pooh]

People do deserve a second chance from their mistakes, BUT...sorry...the activity Vic was involved was beyond a mistake, it was a choice. He was a grown man killing animals who did not preform...why in the world would Penny's step so low to use this guy to help build their business...big mistake..I am with you all the way!
Not at Penny's....but at Modell's
Michael Vick Launches Clothing Line (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/11/michael-vick-clothing-line_n_1666123.html)

[USSGompers]

Thanks Pooh.

[Barefoot]

I don't care if it's Modell's or Penny's he should be boycotted. The only thing rehabilitated is his reputation. Don't bother asking me how I know this because it's my own opinion. Anyone who tortured animals and enjoyed it as sport is beyond rehabilitation. I put him in a class with pedophiles and abhor the fact that he isn't in prison.

I am not going to be posting on this site much longer but I agree with Duffy. What Vick did is beyond cruel and saying he paid for his crime is BS. Supposed someone rape and killed your daughter and he went to jail. Would you say the same thing? That he paid his dues. People like him don't belong on earth. End of discussion.

I agree 100%. In my opinion Michael Vick is loathsome. Anyone who preys on the vulnerable and helpless, either humans or animals, is pond scum.

[Posh 08]

I agree 100%. In my opinion Michael Vick is loathsome. Anyone who preys on the vulnerable and helpless, either humans or animals, is pond scum.

Oh come on now. Pond scum? You can do better than that. How bout no good side winder, mule faced, dog arsed, icy veined, lily livered @#(^$$@^&*(* ?

[ronat1]

I am not going to be posting on this site much longer but I agree with Duffy. What Vick did is beyond cruel and saying he paid for his crime is BS. Supposed someone rape and killed your daughter and he went to jail. Would you say the same thing? That he paid his dues. People like him don't belong on earth. End of discussion.

I agree that he was involved in illegal dogfighting and should have been punished for the crime and he was as the legal system dictated. We don't have to agree with the sentence but it was what it was and it just has to be accepted. But, how can you actually sit there and compare the rape and killing of one's daughter to the dogfighting that Vick was involved with? That's absurd!!!

[lovsthosebigdogs]

I live in PA with a bunch of Eagle fans. Seems like they will forgive Vick anything if he has a good season. I am someone who can never forgive what he choose to do to those dogs for sport and would still be doing (IMHO)

[lovsthosebigdogs]

Ugh, only half of my post actually posted. To finish, I was trying to say that he would still be fighting dogs if he hadn't been caught. His remorse is only there so he can continue to pkay. I would be more impressed if he was banned from all pro sports and still decided to work for animal welfare afterwards. Just my pinion. Personally I will never forgive an animal abuser.

[USSGompers]

Ugh, only half of my post actually posted. To finish, I was trying to say that he would still be fighting dogs if he hadn't been caught. His remorse is only there so he can continue to pkay. I would be more impressed if he was banned from all pro sports and still decided to work for animal welfare afterwards. Just my pinion. Personally I will never forgive an animal abuser.

Thank you for your support!! I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!

[wendyquat]

Ugh, only half of my post actually posted. To finish, I was trying to say that he would still be fighting dogs if he hadn't been caught. His remorse is only there so he can continue to pkay. I would be more impressed if he was banned from all pro sports and still decided to work for animal welfare afterwards. Just my pinion. Personally I will never forgive an animal abuser.

I agree! He is only "sorry" because he got caught! He is working for the SPCA only to make an impression to insure his pocketbook! He is despicable!

[Joaniesmom]

Ugh, only half of my post actually posted. To finish, I was trying to say that he would still be fighting dogs if he hadn't been caught. His remorse is only there so he can continue to pkay. I would be more impressed if he was banned from all pro sports and still decided to work for animal welfare afterwards. Just my pinion. Personally I will never forgive an animal abuser.

:agree:

[redwitch]

He speaks at schools, YMCAs, Boys Clubs, wherever in every town he is in, either before or after a game. He's never been required to go that far, but he does. I don't know what is in his mind or if he is truly sorry for his past acts, but neither do any of us. Only he does.

I've heard Michael Vicks speak. He may be doing it just to look good, but he sounds like he believes what he is saying. More importantly, the kids hearing him speak believe him. He is making a difference.

Yes, he did some heinous things. Who knows why? His culture? His upbringing? Because he is truly a bad man? Regardless, he's not doing them now.

I was taught that everyone deserves a second chance; that people can and do change; that people can learn that what they are doing is wrong and quit doing it and even regret that they did it. My gut feeling is that most of us were taught to forgive (otherwise, our parents would probably have thrown each and every one of us in jail for being the young hooligans we were at one time or another). So, why has this lesson been thrown to the wayside? Why can't so many of you give him and other people a second chance to do the right thing?

[Joaniesmom]

He speaks at schools, YMCAs, Boys Clubs, wherever in every town he is in, either before or after a game. He's never been required to go that far, but he does. I don't know what is in his mind or if he is truly sorry for his past acts, but neither do any of us. Only he does.

I've heard Michael Vicks speak. He may be doing it just to look good, but he sounds like he believes what he is saying. More importantly, the kids hearing him speak believe him. He is making a difference.

Yes, he did some heinous things. Who knows why? His culture? His upbringing? Because he is truly a bad man? Regardless, he's not doing them now.

I was taught that everyone deserves a second chance; that people can and do change; that people can learn that what they are doing is wrong and quit doing it and even regret that they did it. My gut feeling is that most of us were taught to forgive (otherwise, our parents would probably have thrown each and every one of us in jail for being the young hooligans we were at one time or another). So, why has this lesson been thrown to the wayside? Why can't so many of you give him and other people a second chance to do the right thing?

You've made an excellent point. In my mind I entirely agree with you and I truly admire you for bringing it up. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I'll be giving it some more thought.

But, for now, the thought of what that man and his evil cohorts did to those innocent, helpless creatures remains in my heart as an unspeakably awful and cruel act. All the more so because the victims could not even speak for themselves.

Right this moment, while we are talking about giving him a second chance, some of those dogs are still suffering in shelters and will never recover from that abuse. Never be able to live in loving homes and never have a second chance of their own.

I would purchase the sorriest, ugliest, most poorly-made garment if it would provide a moment of peace for those animals rather than support someone like Michael Vicks.

Our own legal system hasn't seen fit to give him a second chance. He isn't allowed to own a dog because he has proven himself unfit.

Michael Vicks doesn't need anything from me and all I want from him is to stay away from animals.

[asianthree]

i don't shop at JCP so i guess i am ok either way

[Tom Hannon]

I But, how can you actually sit there and compare the rape and killing of one's daughter to the dogfighting that Vick was involved with? That's absurd!!!

Perhaps I over said what I was trying to say. But years ago when I was in my early twenties I worked with a convicted rapist who victimize two 14 years old girls in the same town I lived. We clashed a few time which made working conditions uncomfortable for everyone. The boss told me, he paid his time and if I continued to not let him forget it, I should look for another job. I quit and started my own business. Yes, a person can do time and by law he is free of his crime but as a person, there is no law that says I have to forgive him. I won't forgive Vick and as in a previous post about Tiger Woods I am shocked with the standing ovations they received when they began playing their sport again. Jim Morrison said it best "People are strange."

[Patty55]

I have never shopped at JC Penney's and I will NEVER forgive Michael Vick.

[2BNTV]

What Michael Vick did with his dogs was despictable. How can hurt a dog which is just like a baby?

I don't know him or his character to pass judgement on him but he has done his time and should be given a second chance by law.

As a long time sports and Giant fan, I will never root for him or buy anything that supports his lifestyle. That is my right.

[duffysmom]

I don't believe that someone who took pleasure in torturing and maiming innocents, whether they be animals or children can be rehabilitated. It's a fatal flaw. We now understand that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated and need to be locked up. Michael Vick was a full grown adult when he used his millions to fund and participate in torturing animals. He had untold ways in which he could have used his millions but he gravitated to what he enjoys, funded it and participated in it for pleasure. This to me is indication of a sick perverted mind.

[KathieI]

Not comparable, not even close. I don't care if Vick did his time, I find his actions unforgiveable.

I totally agree with those of you who will not forgive Vick. I've said it before on this forum and will say it forever, I loathe that man for what he knowingly did to helpless animals. In Los Angeles, dog fighting is a very common occurance and I have rescued many dogs in such poor condition that it was the MOST inhuman thing I have ever seen. I also have seen what happens to the animals in cockfighting, another thing that I loath. I will never forgive or forget and my belief is that Vick is only doing his redemption for the almighty dollar and that's it.

PS, I also hate deer hunting or any hunting just for the sport of it.

[Patty55]

Oh, and not for nothing, I seriously doubt that Michael Vick and I have the same taste in clothing. :faint:

[Wi11iam]

I don't care if it's Modell's or Penny's he should be boycotted. The only thing rehabilitated is his reputation. Don't bother asking me how I know this because it's my own opinion. Anyone who tortured animals and enjoyed it as sport is beyond rehabilitation. I put him in a class with pedophiles and abhor the fact that he isn't in prison.

I agree, an animal abuser is just an excuse for someone who is a coward and in the same catagory as a child abuser, or wife abuser. The difference is the animal can't defend itself or complain to the proper authorities to get them to stop.
If he did'nt get caught and loose a ton of money. would he still be doing the same thing.
Unacceptable to support his financial security.
Just my feelings. No offense to anyone meant, except Vicks

[bkcunningham1]

If people can’t be reformed, why not just keep everyone locked away or execute them? Something is wrong with a sense of right and wrong when you can’t determine the difference in an dog and a child in examples of Vick and child abusers. What has the world come to when you can accept that an animal that has been bred and raised to fight to the death can be rehabed but not a man?

[Here2Stay]

i don't care if it's modell's or penny's he should be boycotted. The only thing rehabilitated is his reputation. Don't bother asking me how i know this because it's my own opinion. Anyone who tortured animals and enjoyed it as sport is beyond rehabilitation. I put him in a class with pedophiles and abhor the fact that he isn't in prison.

well spoken, i hope many read and understand the difference about paying for their crimes, this was a lifestyle he elected to be apart of, a sport...not a opps i made a mistake crime

[Patty55]

If people can’t be reformed, why not just keep everyone locked away or execute them? Something is wrong with a sense of right and wrong when you can’t determine the difference in an dog and a child in examples of Vick and child abusers. What has the world come to when you can accept that an animal that has been bred and raised to fight to the death can be rehabed but not a man?

Actually, those poor animals generally cannot be rehabed. To me the difference lies in THE MAN HAD A CHOICE. In my experience dogs want nothing more than to please, they will lend themselves to abuse to please their owner. You make your choices in life, you accept the consequences.

Michael Vick had a life that many would envy, he blew it, BIG TIME.

[perrjojo]

Judge not; lest ye be judged.

[wendyquat]

Hmmm! I'm thinking maybe some of the ones supporting Vick may not have a relationship with a lovable pup, therefore not understanding how some of us who treat our dogs as our children really feel!

[Tom Hannon]

Hmmm! I'm thinking maybe some of the ones supporting Vick may not have a relationship with a lovable pup, therefore not understanding how some of us who treat our dogs as our children really feel!

A Homerun Wendy. So true. And for those who haven't shared the love of a dog they don't know what they are missing.

[duffysmom]

If people can’t be reformed, why not just keep everyone locked away or execute them? Something is wrong with a sense of right and wrong when you can’t determine the difference in an dog and a child in examples of Vick and child abusers. What has the world come to when you can accept that an animal that has been bred and raised to fight to the death can be rehabed but not a man?

The dogs who were bred and raised to fight to the death were victimized and tortured while Michael Vick who had every advantage a human can have as an adult, chose to entertain himself by funding and watching dogs being ripped apart and if they weren't vicious enough he punished them by torturing and killing them as poor performers. Whether or not Michael Vick can be rehabilitated is only a small part of the problem. The fact thay he is allowed to play football and put his tainted name on a clothing line is despicable. The fact that he has fans because he can play football is unbelievable. By the way, Vick will soon be able to own a dog as a pet.:ohdear:

Quotes from Gandhi:

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated.

I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.

[bkcunningham1]

Actually, those poor animals generally cannot be rehabed. To me the difference lies in THE MAN HAD A CHOICE. In my experience dogs want nothing more than to please, they will lend themselves to abuse to please their owner. You make your choices in life, you accept the consequences.

Michael Vick had a life that many would envy, he blew it, BIG TIME.

I have read different stories I suppose. This should make you very happy. What happened to Michael Vick's dogs... - SI.com - Magazine (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/)

[Patty55]

I have read different stories I suppose. This should make you very happy. What happened to Michael Vick's dogs... - SI.com - Magazine (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/)

Don't know if you read the entire story, guess we all define "very happy differently".

"In the end, 47 of the 51 Vick dogs were saved. (Two died while in the shelters; one was destroyed because it was too violent; and another was euthanized for medical reasons.) Twenty-two dogs went to Best Friends, where McMillan and his staff chart their emotional state daily; almost all show steady improvement in categories such as calmness, sociability and happiness. McMillan believes 17 of the dogs will eventually be adopted, and applicants are being screened for the first of those. The other 25 have been spread around the country; the biggest group, 10, went to California with BAD RAP. Fourteen of the 25 have been placed in permanent homes, and the rest are in foster care."

Read more: What happened to Michael Vick's dogs... - SI.com - Magazine (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/4.html#ixzz23LxzMlS2)

17 out of 47 will EVENTUALLY BE ADOPTED, 4 euthanized, the rest in sanctuary... I'M NOT HAPPY. :ohdear:

[redwitch]

I've had pets my entire life. I don't have a dog right now but I've certainly known and loved my share of them. I have never nor will I ever condone what Michael Vick did. It was wrong and it was cruel. That anyone would train a dog to kill, to kill an innocent animal for no reason is beyond my comprehension and is nauseating to me. However, he did go to prison, he has gone above and beyond what was required of him to "atone" for his crime. I truly hope and pray he has changed his attitude and it isn't all an act to look good.

Personally, I think he has changed. Prior to his arrest, he was known to be arrogant; to hang out with his grade school and high school friends (many of whom were known gangbangers); there were incidents reported about criminal behavior occurring on his property by his friends. Since he has been released from prison, I haven't heard of any more incidents. Supposedly, he has dropped most of his former friends. I don't hear the stories of his arrogant behavior any longer. So, I think he has changed and at least deserves a second chance. That doesn't mean to forget his prior acts, it means forgive, give him a chance to show he has been rehabilitated, changed, become the decent person we want everyone to be.

I'm not saying buy his clothing line or watch a game where he is playing. That's up to you. I am saying this hatred, this vitriol is just as wrong. Loath his past acts but hope that he has truly changed his views.

We've all been taught to forgive, to give people a chance -- it is very much a part of the Judeo-Christian ethic. If he betrays our trust a second time, then it is time to loathe the man, not just his prior actions.

BTW -- For an interesting article on dog fighting, read this link. It definitely shows the evilness but also shows how easy it is to convince a child or a young man to participate, especially if they come from the inner city as Michael Vick did. Dog Fighting Detailed Discussion (http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ddusdogfighting.htm)

[perrjojo]

Hmmm! I'm thinking maybe some of the ones supporting Vick may not have a relationship with a lovable pup, therefore not understanding how some of us who treat our dogs as our children really feel!

I have a very loving relationship with our "little" boy but I do not know or never will know what is in the heart of another.

[wendyquat]

I don't know what is in Michael Vicks heart nor do I want to know. In my mind he is "evil personified"!

[Barefoot]

Quotes from Gandhi:

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated.

I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.

I read Gandhi's quotes to my dogs and they're nodding their heads. :doggie::doggie:

[Patty55]

Judge not; lest ye be judged.

Slightly OT, but are you aware that Matthew 7:1 is the most misquoted of all verses.

Personally, I believe in Karma, I see the Karma bus heading toward Michael Vick.

[bkcunningham1]

Patty55, I wasn't being flippant with you. You said the dogs weren't rehabbed. Some were and I think that is better than all being euthanized.

I suppose we all have different standards and will have to agree to disagree. I personally believe in forgiveness and reconciliation. Matthew 6:14-15 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Peace.

[Patty55]

Patty55, I wasn't being flippant with you. You said the dogs weren't rehabbed. Some were and I think that is better than all being euthanized.

I suppose we all have different standards and will have to agree to disagree. I personally believe in forgiveness and reconciliation. Matthew 6:14-15 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Peace.

They weren't rehabbed, they are in sanctuary, that is not rehab. Yes, we have different standards. I cannot defend a person who has a life most would envy and uses it for evil. I don't understand why anyone would.

Personally, I don't care if he designs clothing, without seeing his designs I can say it is not anything that would interest me, just not my style. Again, I don't shop in that store, nothing for me to boycott.

I don't care if he plays football, my karmic belief is he won't be playing it for long.

[duffysmom]

Forgiveness is given so that the person forgiving can lead a happy and productive life. I know that the dogs he victimized would forgive him that's their nature. I don't hold hatred in my heart for any person. What I object to is categorizing his serial killing of dogs as being paid for in full by a light sentence and then being rewarded with contracts so that he can be idolized by young people as an athlete and now a designer. Has he been rehabilitated, who knows, but I don't think you can rehabilitate a sociopath and his actions done without conscience were sociopathic IMO. Like Patty55 stated, I believe in Karma and know that he will pay for his atrocities in more than a monetary way.

[quirky3]

Forgiveness and paying your dues are one aspect. But choosing to glorify or honor someone like that with a clothing line? Would you run out and buy "O.J. Simpson sportswear" or "Casey Anthony nightclub fashions"?

[perrjojo]

Forgiveness and paying your dues are one aspect. But choosing to glorify or honor someone like that with a clothing line? Would you run out and buy "O.J. Simpson sportswear" or "Casey Anthony nightclub fashions"?

I don,t think anyone on this thread has sanctioned buying his clothes, glorified or honored Michael Vick.:ohdear:

[Patty55]

As far as judging Mr.Vick from a legal standpoint, I would ordinarily say that was up to a jury. It appears that even Michael Vick could not defend his actions, IIRC he pled guilty to the charges. Yet, people feel the need to defend him? Why? He wouldn't even defend himself.

[PennBF]

It has been said and it is true. A socipath cannot be "cured". Once a sociopath always a sociopath. Before anyone argues this point please
study the subject. All professionals will support this conclusion.:ohdear:

[quirky3]

I don,t think anyone on this thread has sanctioned buying his clothes, glorified or honored Michael Vick.:ohdear:

Referring to the store that is marketing his brand

[Patty55]

It has been said and it is true. A socipath cannot be "cured". Once a sociopath always a sociopath. Before anyone argues this point please
study the subject. All professionals will support this conclusion.:ohdear:

Absolutely true, sociopaths cannot be cured because they have no sense of remorse. They usually just find new victims.

Another truth-ALL SERIAL KILLERS started out abusing animals. This is not to say that all animal abusers become serial killers.

[perrjojo]

Slightly OT, but are you aware that Matthew 7:1 is the most misquoted of all verses.

Personally, I believe in Karma, I see the Karma bus heading toward Michael Vick.

I was not quoting the scripture therefore I left off the biblical citation. I was quoting my personal philosophy. I too believe in Karma.

[Threeputt]

It's important to get the facts right, especially when asking people to boycott a business. While it is true that he is marketing a clothing line, from what I have read it will be sold only through a sports apparel chain called Modells. I have not been able to find any information that he will be selling it through JC Penney. Also, by the standards we set in our justice system, he has paid for his crimes. Additionally, he works very hard for the ASPCA and other groups to end dog fighting and other acts of animal cruelty. I am a dog lover and believe that what he did was despicable, but I believe he has paid for his crimes (more than any other animal abuser in history) and has reformed and should be allowed to go on with his life.

Typical of TOTV ...jumping to conclusions
Those without sin cast the first stone.........LET IT GO

[2BNTV]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Joaniesmom]

I have to say this has been one of the most interesting threads I have read on TOTV. My thanks to everyone who has posted. It has given me a lot to think about and that's a good thing. All I can say for the bottom line is that Michael Vick will come to whatever end that Kharma has set for him. Personally I hope it duplicates something that has happened to one of his poor dogs. For myself, it's easy. I don't watch his football and I don't buy anything he sells. I know you all will make your own decisions and they will be the right ones for you. Peace and love. My goodness, anybody got a pipe to pass around!!!!