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Guest
08-11-2012, 08:44 PM
I posted the below under "It Is An Easy Choice" in response to a poster who implied things that are just plain lies and false and further issued a challenge to look up "the slimy details" (the posters words) and SO I DID look up the details and I think I have a pretty good grasp on the truth here. If someone can detail anything I missed or erred on, let me know but I checked all available records I could find and have validate this time line pretty well.

I think this needs to be read by everyone so we all know the kind of man we have in the WH and the kind of campaign he is running.

It is one thing to talk about and disagree on issues, I find this action DEPLORABLE. If I am alone, so be it...but this forum is about free speech and this is total crap !

HERE, after doing some checking and verifying are the SLIMY DETAILS as you refer to them.

After reading this does it not make all you folks proud of your President for allowing this kind of insinuation go over public airways !

This is despicably campaigning at best.

This is actually embarassing to think that the President would allow this and that folks on here area jumping on the bandwagon.

1993 Bain buys the GST mill.

At this time the steel industry was on its death bed unable to compete with foreign and this plant was dying. This plant at its best employed 4500 and by the late 80's was down to 1000. ARMCO who owned the plant had decided that they either sell it or close it down as it was antiquated and needed lots of work. ARMCO had no money to invest and thus in stepped Bain Bain and some other investors bought the plant for 80 million. They renamed it GS Tech and put another 100 million into moderenization Things go better for the company

1994 Things going so well they can pay a dividend

Late 1990s The late 1990s saw a new outpouring of cheap steel from elsewhere around the globe. The Asian financial crisis walloped the mining industry, cutting demand for GST products. The price of GST's electricity and natural gas skyrocketed. The union dug in, refusing to make concessions. By April 1997, it was on strike, shooting bottle rockets at guards. Labor costs spiked, and by 1999 GSI was reporting $53 million in net losses.

1999 (EARLY) Romney leaves Bain Capital

2001 GST Steel goes bankrupt

NOTE...At the time, GST’s union blamed the company’s bankruptcy on the political class, for failing to hamstring imports. “We can’t compete against the steel imports that are being sold under cost,” said the president of GST’s union in 2001. “Our pleas fell on deaf ears in the political arena.” The Bush administration would ultimately slap on giant tariffs.

The bankruptcies were led by unionized companies that, like airlines and textiles and Detroit, had negotiated pay and benefits that helped drive their employers under.

2006 The woman in the ad dies of cancer. Having had insurance from the day her husband was out of work until she died.

The company that this particular mill was under GS Industries, employed 3,500 and that the Kansas City plant (with 750 workers) was the only one shuttered. Other plants were bought and operate today. Nor does it mention Bain’s other steel investment in the early 1990s, in an Indiana start-up called Steel Dynamics. The firm touts innovative technology and a nonunion workforce. It today reports $6.3 billion in revenue—25 times what it claimed in its 1996 IPO—and employs 6,000.

"It features B.C. Huselton, a former vice president at the company, defending Bain's investment in GST Steel as more helpful than hurtful.

Huselton says he felt compelled to come forward in response to Democratic attacks: “I held my tongue while this was all going on, and I finally said, ‘I can’t take this anymore.’ We did a lot of good work there and somebody needs to know this.”

"Did it all work out? No. Did we make a difference? I think we made a big difference," he says. "There’s this vampire story that Bain comes in and shows its teeth and sucks the blood out of the operation. It was really entirely the opposite of that. We went looking for a blood donor."

Strassel: Vampire Capitalism? Please - WSJ.com

Timeline: GST Steel UPDATED | Fausta's Blog

Mitt video defends GST Steel deal (Updated) - POLITICO.com


PLEASE VALIDATE FOR US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR "SLIMY DETAILS" from and how they differ from mine.

Guest
08-11-2012, 10:04 PM
What a great and fascinating post. Thank you so much for this. I knew some of these details, but not in one concise narrative, as you've portrayed it.

I've got to go read the other thread, but I'm thinking you'll only get talking point or rude comebacks instead of any substantive answer to your questions to that poster.

Good work, as usual.

Guest
08-12-2012, 06:59 AM
What a great and fascinating post. Thank you so much for this. I knew some of these details, but not in one concise narrative, as you've portrayed it.

I've got to go read the other thread, but I'm thinking you'll only get talking point or rude comebacks instead of any substantive answer to your questions to that poster.

Good work, as usual.

One thing I just posted....LYING is about the worst thing that oe person can do ...just a simple fact...LYING and being phoney

You can lie by omission and comission.........this ad covers them both

Guest
08-12-2012, 07:17 AM
Even for an attack ad, 'Understands' goes too far - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-mitt-romney-cancer-closing-steel-mill-20120808,0,2903745.story)

Guest
08-12-2012, 08:42 AM
I'm committed to my fascination. :icon_wink:

Guest
08-12-2012, 08:46 AM
I'm committed to my fascination. :icon_wink:

I take any political action committee ad as playing fast and loose with the facts. They are all attack ads. About as good in determining the outcome of a contest as those screams at some batter from some angry fan at a Twins game.

Guest
08-12-2012, 09:47 AM
I take any political action committee ad as playing fast and loose with the facts. They are all attack ads. About as good in determining the outcome of a contest as those screams at some batter from some angry fan at a Twins game.

Let me just say this.....if you believe that the President is not behind this, you are dreaming. They have already lied about working with the PAC with these folks and lied again saying they do not get involved.

On the other hand, they, IN ADVANCE, complained that maybe Romeny PAC would exploit the Wright connnection and Romney, back in May came out and told the PACS he would not support that kind of campaigning.

There is a huge difference in character here. ....If you wish, I will give you links to substantiate the lies just thus far from the Obama campaign.....not just the PACS.

This ad, which you are correct is bad, manifests both character and is indicative of the entire administration.

HOWEVER, you folks still on this forum applaud this kind of action..the lies, you guys applaud them. Scary !

Guest
08-12-2012, 11:47 AM
I hope all the conservatives remember these ads are thought of by experts in the field of psychology. They are paid big buck for knowing what works and what does not work. They know what kind of ads will sway undecided voters to their side.

The ad is working. It has all of you talking about it. It is called "the buzz". It will be remembered when someone is in the voting booth and the psychological expert's skill will have them pull the lever for Obama.

Say what you want, these ads are very effective.

Guest
08-12-2012, 11:55 AM
I hope all the conservatives remember these ads are thought of by experts in the field of psychology. They are paid big buck for knowing what works and what does not work. They know what kind of ads will sway undecided voters to their side.

The ad is working. It has all of you talking about it. It is called "the buzz". It will be remembered when someone is in the voting booth and the psychological expert's skill will have them pull the lever for Obama.

Say what you want, these ads are very effective.

You surely might be correct but how do you account for one candidate denouncing that kind of ad and the other just plain lying about the ads ?

I will ask your directly because I do not want to jump to conclusions, but yesterday you had some harsh things to say about Romney and Bain based on this ad......the question is two part....for anyone but since you brought this up

1. Do you approve of ads like this that are just plain lying in a fancy way ? And they are lies of insinuation with no facts !

2. Did seeing what ACTUALLY happened change your mind in anyway or are you believing whatever they tell you without checking to see if it is true ?

Guest
08-12-2012, 12:37 PM
Where's "YOU LIE" Joe Wilson when ya need him. :icon_wink: